Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - March 07, 2024


Let's Talk About Perimenopause and Getting Older with Stacy London

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00:00:00.000 today we're going to be talking about something that until recently we didn't hear nearly enough
00:00:10.180 about and joining me is my longtime friend i i just i love this woman so much and i haven't seen
00:00:18.380 her enough in the past few years so you will hear all of the joy in my voice in this episode that i
00:00:25.080 get to talk to her? My friend Stacey London. Now, you may know her from her hit TV show,
00:00:32.240 What Not to Wear. She taught a generation of us what not to wear. We're going to get into a little
00:00:37.820 bit of that today. A little bit about how do you dress when you reach a certain age? Do we change
00:00:44.060 how we dress? How do we dress to make ourselves feel incredible? Stacey's very good at that. I
00:00:50.840 she's built a whole career off of it. She's a fashion genius, is what she is. But first, 1.00
00:00:56.560 before we dig into style and fashion and all of the things, we are going to talk about perimenopause
00:01:02.540 and perimenopause influencers. When Stacey was going through perimenopause and menopause herself,
00:01:11.620 advocacy and education for women's health care became her new passion. And she's been working
00:01:16.920 her ass off to break through all of the noise and BS around perimenopause, and we are going to get
00:01:23.220 into all of it. All of it. We're also going to dig into something that I think is so important,
00:01:30.300 which is the fact that there is value in age. There is value in aging. And Stacey has an
00:01:37.620 incredible line in this episode that I love that just, it stuck with me. It really did. She says,
00:01:43.100 menopause is Mother Nature's biological fail-safe to make you sit up and realize that you do not
00:01:51.000 have an expiration date. But the values that you held when you were younger do have an expiration
00:01:59.060 date. Think on that one, my friends. You're going to love this episode.
00:02:03.440 hi old friend this is such a joy i mean i am telling you i can't believe it's taken us this
00:02:18.260 many years to to have a conversation why not do it on a podcast why not do it on a podcast right
00:02:24.240 because just i mean all the things are streamed all the time i just when we were just catching
00:02:28.320 up a second ago i was like flashing back to drinks we had at the spotted pig probably 15
00:02:33.600 years ago oh my god we were both completely different people at that point in our lives
00:02:40.760 completely different people and i also remember when we were at south by and we went vintage
00:02:45.800 shopping oh you got that amazing hat that amazing hat we had a conversation then about marriage
00:02:53.360 and about children and you went on and lived that exact experience it was like you manifested your 0.77
00:03:01.380 life so far in front of it I am to this day impressed I mean it's there's some witchy 0.98
00:03:07.580 witchness there it's amazing I mean to be honest after writing Sicilian Inheritance about my 1.00
00:03:12.880 potential witch great great grandmother I'm like I'm like I am I am a Sicilian witch I think I
00:03:18.840 It might be.
00:03:19.860 But yeah, I mean, my grandmother is Sicilian too.
00:03:21.940 And I'm like, I'm dying to read the book.
00:03:24.520 Oh my God.
00:03:25.180 Yeah, I'm going to mail it to you immediately because you have to read it.
00:03:28.740 Yes.
00:03:29.200 Yes. 0.99
00:03:29.680 I mean, I do actually think there is something about witches and Sicilians that makes a whole 1.00
00:03:34.940 lot of sense. 1.00
00:03:36.040 Yes.
00:03:36.420 Yes.
00:03:36.680 A hundred percent.
00:03:37.460 Absolutely.
00:03:37.960 And you're right.
00:03:38.380 I did.
00:03:38.660 That hat that we bought at that wonderful vintage store in Austin.
00:03:42.760 Feathers.
00:03:43.080 I ended up.
00:03:43.580 Called Feathers.
00:03:44.800 Feathers.
00:03:45.400 Yes. 0.97
00:03:45.740 Yes.
00:03:45.940 It was so good.
00:03:46.500 I ended up wearing that when I met Nick in the Galapagos Islands.
00:03:51.260 Like, I guess.
00:03:53.240 Okay, so look at that.
00:03:54.620 Our connection goes even deeper than we thought.
00:03:56.600 It goes even deeper than we thought.
00:03:58.560 It's amazing.
00:03:59.060 Yeah, it's amazing.
00:04:00.180 It's amazing.
00:04:00.980 And so, yes, we have both evolved in so many ways.
00:04:04.700 And the world has evolved in so many different ways since then.
00:04:10.060 Oh, yes.
00:04:11.920 I mean, talk to me about, I mean, we are both women
00:04:15.960 who are we were much younger than and we are aging and we are aging beautifully you look
00:04:23.540 amazing but there are stories that we don't tell about women of a certain age there are gaps in
00:04:33.740 our culture in you know showing women how to be in the world what to wear in the world
00:04:40.080 What have you been seeing in this space?
00:04:43.240 I mean, I think, you know, one of the things that I have definitely learned and certainly I think over the last 15 years, we have seen this and partly because of social media and technology.
00:04:54.640 But this need for authenticity and this need not necessarily to constantly be confessional, but to talk about ourselves in real terms instead of this kind of glossy.
00:05:07.080 like, you know, let's say when I was on What Not Wear, that was back in the day when you had
00:05:10.980 a television persona and a private life, right? Now there's this blur between everybody's a brand
00:05:16.880 because of who they are, which is something that I like to talk about between we were a how-to
00:05:22.960 revolution, like, you know, a how-to generation where we look to experts and we wanted advice
00:05:29.800 to a Me Too generation where we have become our own brands and our own sort of auteurs of
00:05:36.900 what we look like, how we want to, you know, sort of experience and appear in the world.
00:05:41.740 So it's very different from, you know, like 2003. But one of the things that I really have felt all
00:05:48.820 along, and maybe this is actually from my experience on What Not To Wear, is that from the individual
00:05:55.080 story, the more personal and authentic it is, comes a universal truth. There is always something,
00:06:01.640 Whether you relate exactly to that person or you have nothing in common with that person, the more authentic you are talking about the human experience and journey that you are on, the more people are going to understand and relate to it in some way.
00:06:16.000 And that has been sort of a guiding principle for me, certainly in the last 15 years. And, you know, when I stopped, my phone stopped ringing and I stopped getting called for TV jobs and styling jobs and not really being sure what to do.
00:06:32.080 I was very open about feeling a certain amount of grief over this loss of identity. And I was
00:06:39.300 very open about the fact that having spine surgery was very difficult and truly traumatic for me,
00:06:46.300 as I was very honest about losing my father and how traumatic. And I had no idea what that kind
00:06:53.680 of grief was going to be. And to experience that all at around the age of 47 to 49 really was also
00:07:01.960 when I was in the depths of what I did not know were significant hormonal changes called
00:07:07.400 perimenopause, right? Nobody, no doctor said anything to me. Nobody said anything to me for
00:07:12.220 the longest time. And I was feeling a real emotional upheaval, anxiety, depression, rage,
00:07:19.700 just constant insecurity. I just hid away from the world. I was having physical changes like
00:07:25.740 body weight redistribution. I had headaches. I had joint pain. I had insomnia. I had brain fog.
00:07:30.160 I mean, you name a symptom, and I pretty much had it.
00:07:33.520 And I thought, this must be the physical manifestation of grief.
00:07:38.660 This is what getting old feels like.
00:07:41.800 Nobody once ever said to me, hang on, this is a natural transition that we need to take
00:07:49.720 seriously and that we need to reframe in order for you to get on the other side of it and
00:07:55.720 feel like you have done something successful.
00:07:57.460 And it's funny, I heard Jodie Foster say recently, like,
00:08:00.160 Even in her 50s, she was still like, you know, I don't know how I'm handling this aging thing or whatever.
00:08:04.980 And she got to her 60s and she's like, everything feels so much easier.
00:08:09.160 And I do not at all think that that is unrelated to hormonal transition.
00:08:16.200 And so once I started to learn about perimenopause and I had to do a lot of that work myself, then I started going to my doctors and being like, what about this?
00:08:25.760 and fighting a lot of what is, you know, sort of was common culturally and medically at that time
00:08:33.080 known about menopause, right? Hormones are dangerous. They're going to give you cancer.
00:08:37.120 Nobody can take them. So doctors stopped learning about menopause altogether. When you put all this
00:08:42.300 stuff in context specifically for Gen X, I think you realize that there is a reason that Gen X's
00:08:48.640 legacy is going to be not only to normalize midlife, but to normalize this entire experience
00:08:53.480 And therefore, to change the way we kind of think about aging, because I think of us as, you know, the scrappiest generation, right? We're the latchkey kids. We have to figure everything out for ourselves.
00:09:04.080 Which I think about this all the time, by the way, as I'm raising my children alongside a lot of parents who I would call helicopter parents.
00:09:13.400 Yes, yes.
00:09:14.820 And I try not to be that because I don't think it's good for them.
00:09:18.180 I mean, I think about 80s parenting all the time when we were just like told to, first off, like go play in the neighborhood.
00:09:24.860 Don't come back till dinnertime.
00:09:26.440 No one was given a water bottle.
00:09:27.980 there was one source of hydration in that neighborhood and it was someone's hose
00:09:32.480 and it may or may not have worked.
00:09:34.380 Or it was a public water fountain in Washington Square Park in my case.
00:09:37.440 You know what I mean?
00:09:37.980 Exactly.
00:09:38.460 That was the deal.
00:09:39.980 Yes, exactly.
00:09:41.180 But I also think that that has made us a very tough generation
00:09:45.800 and we don't take no for an answer quite as easily as maybe some other people would.
00:09:50.820 And when Gen X got to midlife and there were no answers for what was happening to us medically,
00:09:56.880 really truly physically emotionally all of the things we were like oh no this is not this will
00:10:02.680 not stand right and we started doing our own homework there is a reason that it is gen x
00:10:07.780 and at this moment in history that i think we are starting to normalize this conversation not
00:10:12.880 just about menopause right we were already talking about fertility we've always talked
00:10:17.380 about adolescence but now we're talking about the continuum of women's health and how women
00:10:23.560 have always been taught to be afraid of their own bodies, ashamed of their own bodies, instead of the
00:10:29.620 actual independent medical research that should be done on female physiology. And I don't care how
00:10:34.460 you identify gender-wise. I'm just talking about if you have female physiological parts. We don't 1.00
00:10:40.200 understand that because it's only been since 1993 that women were legally bound to be in medical 0.89
00:10:47.080 testing. So everything before that was that, oh, if men experience this, women must experience it
00:10:53.680 the same way because they're little men, which is just not true. Right. Which is just not true.
00:10:59.040 Yeah. I mean, the iniquity is astounding and the systemic issues are astounding when you look at
00:11:04.600 them through this health care lens. And of course, I got into all of this because I felt so disempowered
00:11:10.760 spending most of my life in fashion and style, which everybody considered, you know, like a
00:11:16.700 sexy profession. I was so fancy. I was so starstruck the first time we met. We were so
00:11:22.920 fancy. Fancy. But that's the thing. I thought it was fancy. It was one of the reasons that I was
00:11:28.060 so attracted to fashion magazines, May They Rest in Peace, when I worked in them in the 90s,
00:11:33.480 right? Because I was so insecure and I wanted to be fancy and I wanted to be fabulous and I wanted
00:11:39.740 it to be all those things. And what better place to, you know, kind of get that superiority complex
00:11:47.300 than working for an industry that at the time really were the gatekeepers of style. We knew
00:11:54.100 about every fashion show six months before you knew about it, right? All of that, the playing
00:11:58.740 field has been completely equalized now. You can watch a fashion show exactly the same time Anna
00:12:04.100 Wintour does. So she doesn't have a leg up on you anymore. The fashion industry in terms of 0.94
00:12:08.360 magazines. We don't have a leg up on you. But at the time, I thought, oh, yes, you know, this is
00:12:13.880 where I want to be, only to find out that this is an industry that actually runs on insecurity,
00:12:19.160 right? What you don't have, what you are not, is exactly what they're trying to sell you to be.
00:12:25.020 And I had to learn that from being inside the fashion industry. Getting out of that and going
00:12:30.460 into what not to wear really was about what is the power of self-expression? What is the power
00:12:36.880 of self-esteem, taking fashion out of trend and into this idea of self-identity expression
00:12:44.560 in a way that was very different from what I'd done before. And that's when I started to connect
00:12:50.280 style much more to the idea of how we feel about ourselves, how we feel about the world,
00:12:55.980 how we interact, whether the way we appear in the world is aligned with what we want from the world.
00:13:02.900 Are we saying the right things to get the right messages back?
00:13:06.020 It became a much bigger psychological endeavor, right?
00:13:10.040 And for me, that made all the difference in the world.
00:13:14.360 Yes, yes, yes, and yes.
00:13:16.380 I'm not sure where I was going with that.
00:13:17.840 I know that I was saying, oh, right, that fashion magazines were so fancy.
00:13:22.000 But I feel that really what I wound up feeling was that style is not something superficial, right?
00:13:28.180 The fashion industry, the beauty industry, we're going to sell you something new every week.
00:13:32.220 But every personal style is is so much more. And we have so much agency if we know how to do it. Right. If we know what we like and what we don't like. But when I started to experience perimenopause, I never felt more disempowered. I never felt like I had less agency. I never felt more helpless.
00:13:52.560 And for me, there was an actual like aha moment where I was like, I have to take everything that I have done in the style sphere and put that towards advocacy for health care.
00:14:05.580 Because we the same way we can't take care of ourselves if we don't have an actual understanding and awareness of who we are and what we want.
00:14:13.680 The same thing is true in health care.
00:14:15.680 The same thing is true about how how are you going to take care of yourself in menopause if you don't know that you're going through it?
00:14:20.840 So education and agency and advocacy all became really, really important topics to me because I recognized that style wasn't superficial.
00:14:31.120 It was something much deeper.
00:14:32.660 It gave us much more control over our own lives and what we wanted them to be.
00:14:37.480 And we need to look at health care the same way in terms of our health span and longevity.
00:14:43.960 You know, when I go to the gym now, like when I was in my 20s, I always say like, you know, it was like punishment, right?
00:14:49.200 I ate a candy bar.
00:14:50.040 Now I've got to lose 10 pounds.
00:14:51.940 I would be on that treadmill for an hour.
00:14:53.900 And, you know, I would just be.
00:14:55.280 It was miserable.
00:14:56.140 I hated working out.
00:14:57.260 I hated it.
00:14:58.080 Hated it.
00:14:58.840 I go to the gym now because I want to be strong.
00:15:02.680 And I want to know that when I'm 85, I'm not going to fall and break my hip.
00:15:06.560 Yes.
00:15:07.080 Oh, my gosh.
00:15:07.660 I think about the broken hip too much, probably.
00:15:11.500 I'm like, you want to be strong.
00:15:13.240 You want to be mobile at 85.
00:15:15.100 Yes.
00:15:15.480 Because in our 40s and 50s, when we start to lose our parents,
00:15:18.900 when our kids start to get older. 45 to 55, Scientific American once said is the lowest
00:15:24.520 point of happiness in a woman's life. Highest increase of depression, divorce, and decreased
00:15:29.600 earning potential. These things are not by accident. That is when we are going through
00:15:34.420 perimenopause. That is when it happens. And of course, if you feel completely overwhelmed by
00:15:40.680 external stressors when you're least able to handle them, you're going to feel this kind of
00:15:45.940 sense of being completely overwhelmed. Right. And we conflate what is happening hormonally with
00:15:51.960 aging. And we know that we are a youth obsessed culture. Well, why? Why are we a youth obsessed
00:15:57.740 culture? Like, is it just because like, oh, that's the coolest new thing. And so whatever is new is
00:16:03.480 cool or no. Look back sociobiologically. Youth is associated with fertility. And how do you further
00:16:11.220 the human race, you got to get people pregnant. That's why youth matters, right? It's very 1.00
00:16:17.080 different from the cultural layers of what we have kind of laid over that sociobiology.
00:16:24.700 Culture has actually gone far past that. So this idea that youth is to be prized above everything
00:16:32.000 else no longer makes sense in the society in which we live. It's not like if you stop getting
00:16:38.080 your period and you are no longer biologically able to have children, you have nothing to
00:16:42.540 contribute. You know what I mean? Yes. What are you talking about? What are you talking about?
00:16:47.160 We don't live in that world anymore. We don't live in that world. And that's the thing that
00:16:51.400 got me so riled up, right? When I realized that, A, we are at, you know, we are really not on a
00:16:59.520 level playing field because women do not know enough about their own health to take care of 1.00
00:17:03.700 themselves. We've been busy taking care of other people. What really occurred to me was that 1.00
00:17:08.680 culturally we've internalized all these things so that we don't believe that getting older has any
00:17:14.020 value where, you know, there is so much value in age. There is so much value at this particular
00:17:20.660 age. And I actually believe that menopause is sort of mother nature's biological fail safe to make
00:17:26.980 you sit up and realize that you don't have an expiration date. The values that you held when
00:17:32.820 we're younger do. Oh, we are going to take a quick break here. Be right back.
00:17:41.160 When I'm looking at the next 12 months of my life, what I do not have on the books and what is
00:17:48.120 impossible for me to have on the books is a trip to Sicily. However, the next best thing to having
00:17:54.220 my own adventure in Sicily was reading Joe Piazza's new novel, The Sicilian Inheritance.
00:17:59.720 It is a vacation in a book. If your vacations were sexy murder mysteries that also dive deep
00:18:09.320 into generational trauma, but not in too heavy of a way, it is the perfect book to take on a plane.
00:18:16.760 It is the perfect book to read next to your public pool while taking breaks to yell at your kids.
00:18:24.020 it is the perfect book to get you out of a reading slump, and it is available now wherever you get
00:18:30.400 books. Okay, we are back. When we left, Stacey had just said something that blew my freaking
00:18:43.000 mind. Menopause is sort of Mother Nature's biological fail-safe to make you sit up and
00:18:50.300 realize that you don't have an expiration date the values you held when you were younger do
00:18:55.540 i love that talk dig in tell me tell me more about that i want to give credit where credit
00:19:02.500 is due my friend rebecca odes and i have been working on a project together and she was the
00:19:07.040 one who said to me that that's the switch that's the flip we are not the ones with an expiration
00:19:12.360 date right think about what we value when we're younger we care so much about what other people
00:19:17.180 think in our, what I call acquisitive stage, position stage, right? The more toys you have,
00:19:23.840 the more you win. You want to show off your clothes. You want to, you know, whether you're
00:19:28.840 peacocking for a mate or a job or whatever it is, right? That is sort of what your 20s and 30s are
00:19:35.680 meant to be. You're figuring out who you are. You're trying sort of personas on, you know,
00:19:41.260 in order to see what sticks and what fits. But by the time you get to your 40s, you're already
00:19:46.380 starting to build a life, whether that's within your family or whether that's within your career,
00:19:52.080 that becomes a little bit more stable. At actual age, what I think is that we stop needing so much
00:19:58.560 external approval in order to do what we want, in order to feel what we want. When I was 47,
00:20:04.420 I wrote this article for Refinery29 when I was like, just my pockets are out of fucks to give. 0.97
00:20:09.980 I don't care. Oh, I remember. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I remember that story. I remember that story. 0.97
00:20:13.640 I look back and I realized how much I didn't understand about what I was going through, but it also stands the test of time in that I was like, I don't dress in pencil skirts and five-inch heels anymore. I like wearing suits and leather jumpsuits, and you may not know that about me, but that's who I actually am.
00:20:31.360 And this idea that I was going to disappoint an audience who knew me from What Not to Wear by not being the styled person that they expected me to be was something that I was ready to let go of.
00:20:42.960 And I think as we age, we are ready to let go of cultural expectations more and more and more.
00:20:49.480 And the more that we're able to investigate them individually and realize sort of what we've internalized from society and culture, certainly through a patriarchal lens, then we can say, OK, wait, do I actually believe that or I've been taught to believe that?
00:21:04.160 And what is a belief, right?
00:21:05.760 I mean, a belief is something that you just think over and over and over again until you think it's a truth.
00:21:11.100 So you have to go back and decide, wait a second, are these things true?
00:21:17.580 Do I believe them to be true?
00:21:19.940 What is my actual opinion?
00:21:21.920 And as we age, I think we become more discerning in that way.
00:21:26.020 And that is an incredible privilege, but it is also an astronomical sense of freedom.
00:21:33.300 And being on the other side of menopause now, I can say that with real certainty.
00:21:37.620 because having been through all the muck and not knowing how to figure it out until I figured it
00:21:43.140 out for myself I'm really starting to feel that like honestly almost the last 10 years have felt
00:21:49.880 very confusing and very disorienting to me and I'm finally starting to feel like there's a little bit 0.97
00:21:56.260 of the writing of the ship because a I am out of fucks to give you you thought you were out of 0.93
00:22:01.860 fucks to give before but now you're really out of fucks to give exactly exactly and you know and 0.97
00:22:06.520 the thing is, I'm like, I was a people pleaser. I definitely was a people pleaser with the medical 0.98
00:22:11.420 profession. So by the time a doctor said to me, oh, maybe it's menopause, she was so dismissive
00:22:16.660 about it that I thought I was overreacting, right? I mean, it's my fault. It's my fault. It can't be.
00:22:21.980 I was like, wait, you are not the doctor that I should be talking to because you are not actually
00:22:26.840 taking my pain, my emotions, or anything that is happening to me physically into account with the
00:22:33.580 gravity in which I'm feeling it, right? Of which you should be. You should be. Of course. Of course.
00:22:40.940 But I think we as a society are getting much stronger. And particularly, I see Gen X women
00:22:47.700 at the forefront of that movement of fighting for your own self-advocacy and learning enough to be 0.63
00:22:54.580 able to stand up to your doctor and say, hey, this is not the care that I need. Not because you know
00:22:59.800 what kind of care you need, but if a doctor is not listening to you, or if you are in that range
00:23:06.880 of perimenopause, right, that can start as early as 38, but let's say it's starting at 45, 46, 47,
00:23:12.600 something like that, right? And you go to your doctor and you say, all of a sudden, like, I am
00:23:17.140 depressed. I am struggling to get out of bed in the morning. If the first thing they do is throw
00:23:22.440 a pill at you, they are not actually looking at what might actually be happening to you. That's
00:23:27.280 just an easy thing to do, right? We have 10 minutes with most of our doctors. Think of
00:23:30.860 the three minutes that we're getting dressed or undressed. We have so little time. And so
00:23:37.400 I used to get really angry about this idea that we need to list what our issues are from like
00:23:43.520 most important topic to discuss with your doctor to least important topic,
00:23:47.620 to make extra appointments about things that are very specific, to know how to do all of that stuff.
00:23:53.440 I was like, God, why is the onus always on us? Why does the medical community take more
00:23:59.720 responsibility for patient care, for person care, right? Instead of just looking at us
00:24:06.300 as a condition and instead of just a person. And Dr. Judith Joseph, who is an amazing psychiatrist,
00:24:14.020 said something so fascinating to me. She said, stop thinking about it that way.
00:24:17.500 And I love when people tell me the same truth through a different lens that automatically changes the way I feel about something.
00:24:26.300 So the same way I was talking about strength training, I used to think about it as like I'm just trying to lose weight or get skinny.
00:24:33.180 Now I think about it as being empowered and strong in my body so that I have a long life.
00:24:38.700 She said to me, stop thinking about it as you have to do all the work and start thinking about it as you are part of the treatment team.
00:24:46.080 and the more information that you have and you can relate to us then we can help you even better
00:24:52.640 than we could before and it was like a aha moment that's not like as my as my six-year-old
00:24:59.300 he's experimenting with language sometimes in a not so great way by the way um but he's been
00:25:07.140 playing around with the phrase mind blown this week i love it and so like everything he's just
00:25:11.900 like, I mean, can you believe that? Mind blown. But I'm going to say to you right now, mind blown,
00:25:19.900 right? You know, yes, yes, yes. You know, I think, I think about menopause and the things that I knew
00:25:28.600 about menopause when I was growing up, right? Nothing but shame, first of all, like just a
00:25:33.880 weird, weird, inexplicable shame around this part of a woman's life and hot flashes. That's it. 0.99
00:25:41.900 Well, you know, that's actually more than I knew.
00:25:44.500 I mean, all I knew about menopause when I was little, I mean, my mom never talked to
00:25:48.520 me about it, right?
00:25:49.180 All I remember is that when I used to watch All in the Family, there was an episode where
00:25:52.660 Edith Bunker yelled at Archie and they were like, she's going through the change.
00:25:56.520 And I was like, what?
00:25:57.660 The change, right?
00:25:58.660 Remember?
00:25:59.200 And I thought she was in her 70s.
00:26:00.960 So it didn't even occur to me that menopause was anything that happened until you were
00:26:04.200 really old.
00:26:05.040 Turns out Jean Stapleton was 47 when she was Edith Bunker.
00:26:09.860 Okay.
00:26:09.980 We talk about how haircuts really make the difference in terms of the way we perceive people.
00:26:15.360 But it's that I didn't even know about hot flashes.
00:26:18.940 I didn't even understand very much about that.
00:26:21.560 Even in what went to my 40s, I don't think I understood anything about it.
00:26:25.960 And I certainly didn't understand what the implications of the severity of perimenopausal symptoms could be for me after menopause, right?
00:26:35.320 So there is research that says if you have very severe hot flashes and, you know, the severity and frequency, you have high frequency and high severity of hot flashes, that can indicate, it can indicate that you will have more cardiac issues post-menopause.
00:26:53.100 So these are things that it's not like, okay, let's just talk about what's happening in peri.
00:26:58.000 Menopause is this unbelievable opportunity and really the last opportunity that you have
00:27:05.880 to really take control of your health.
00:27:08.580 Because after this, it's not preventative.
00:27:11.820 Then everything from here on out that you haven't done to sort of safeguard your health,
00:27:17.080 you're going to have to, you're playing catch up, right?
00:27:19.440 So this is another reason that I think we have to start paying attention to menopause
00:27:25.660 as a marker in our lives, stop conflating it with aging, which, by the way, we should have no shame
00:27:32.040 around aging to begin with. But that's where I think menopause and aging is that perfect confluence
00:27:36.820 of ew, gross, and now she's ugly and dry. You know, whatever. Yes. Ugly and dry. Yes. A shriveled 1.00
00:27:45.240 up old woman. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. The crone instead of- The crone. Yeah. Instead of the 1.00
00:27:53.220 goddess, you know, of being wise. And there's just so many sort of almost like Jungian
00:27:59.800 conceptions of what age is. So it is the responsibility of people with privilege
00:28:06.660 to start screaming from the rooftops in order to make changes. We have to make changes for everybody
00:28:13.660 to kind of heal successfully. And I would say there's a lot of healing that needs to be done
00:28:18.880 in the world right now. We're not moving in the right direction. No, we're not. We're not moving
00:28:24.380 in the right direction. But I do think, as you said, that Gen X is pushing for us to move in 0.90
00:28:30.120 the right direction. Mostly Gen X women. I do think that we're it is the first generation that 0.99
00:28:36.580 is saying, nope, I'm not I'm not taking the status quo of how you treat me medically, of how you want
00:28:43.560 me to look in a magazine of how you expect me to dress or how of how you expect me to disappear
00:28:49.940 at a certain age. We're not taking it and we deserve better and you will treat us better.
00:28:55.640 By the time Gen Z gets to menopause, they're going to know exactly what to do. This will be
00:28:59.520 just another day in the office. This will be totally will expect benefits from their companies.
00:29:04.140 They will know exactly how to we this is our legacy in a lot of ways, I think, is to change
00:29:10.320 this narrative, not just about menopause. Menopause is just the tip of the iceberg,
00:29:15.220 but about aging and the way that we do it. And look, also, Jen, we were born at this insane
00:29:20.600 time in history, right? We were taught, oh, we need to be skinny. We need to disappear. We need
00:29:25.260 to look a certain way. We need to get married. We still got all of that traditional bullshit. 0.96
00:29:29.820 But then we're also in a position to be much healthier and happier than generations before 0.99
00:29:37.040 us, right? We know about 10,000 steps. We know smoking is bad for you. We know that sitting is
00:29:42.180 bad for you. We know that strength training is good for you. And we also are the beneficiaries
00:29:47.780 of like, you know, real technological advances in cosmetic dermatology. We really are. We don't
00:29:55.460 look our age. Not at all. Not at all. Do what you want. Get the Botox, get the filler, get the face.
00:30:00.560 Oh, you get the things. I don't care. You get all the things. No, no, no, no, no. You do what makes
00:30:03.900 you happy do what makes you happy that doesn't stop you from aging it means that you are going
00:30:08.980 to age on your terms the way that you want to age the way that you want to age and whether that's
00:30:14.380 like a justine bateman who says i'm never going to touch my face to you know i don't know like a
00:30:19.840 a lot of real housewives whatever you decide whatever you whatever however you want to be 1.00
00:30:24.960 in the world says the girl that's gonna gonna have to have to leave this interview and go run 1.00
00:30:29.940 to the Botox doctor to get my, to her Botox. I've got it. It's time to get it. Time to get
00:30:34.540 a turbo, a freshen up, a fresher gum. But yeah, I love that. We are going to take a quick break
00:30:42.000 here. Be right back. We were talking earlier before we started recording about how we don't
00:30:58.080 see enough out there about how to dress as a woman. That is something I'll tell you. I, you know,
00:31:05.660 I did this tour with Clinton. We did a Stacey and Clinton tour, which was not a what not to wear
00:31:10.520 thing that was like in person live. We wanted to do it as an experiment. We made up quite a few
00:31:16.140 years ago and, you know, everybody thought we still hated each other's guts. And there was
00:31:20.180 some big feud, which also part of growing up was like, I don't want to hold on to grudges and I
00:31:25.200 I don't want to. I don't want to grudge. I don't want to grudge. No, I don't have time to be angry.
00:31:29.840 I just don't. You know, there's too many other things in the world to do and other things to
00:31:33.440 much bigger things to be angry at, not people that I actually loved and cared about, you know,
00:31:38.060 like that. Let's just resolve those issues. So Clinton and I went on tour and it was astounding
00:31:44.260 because it was such good market research. Right. All of these women that I have been talking to
00:31:49.160 about menopause, about what to do with, you know, feelings of depression or helplessness or
00:31:55.040 or or low self-esteem because they've gained weight or body redistribution and body weight
00:32:00.240 redistribution and and not knowing how to dress has become this huge topic really between women
00:32:07.100 you know 45 to 70 where are the clothes for them they don't want to look like their kids
00:32:12.120 they want to invest in in in quality pieces but not everybody not everybody's quality is the same
00:32:19.040 thing, right? I really tell people, think about what you want your wardrobe budget to be. Most
00:32:25.040 people don't actually sit down and write out how much money they're going to spend, whether it's
00:32:29.880 monthly or yearly or weekly or whatever, on clothes or accessories or anything. We usually just buy
00:32:34.900 things that we like or when we need something. But if you stick to a budget, then you decide,
00:32:41.460 where am I investing in the most quality I can afford? That's my first thing, right? I'm like,
00:32:46.680 So let's talk about as we age, the first thing I talk about is you're investing in the best
00:32:51.300 quality that you can afford and create a budget so that you don't get into trouble, right? That
00:32:57.000 you really understand what part of your savings or your, you know, salary you want to spend on
00:33:04.760 this. And the other thing that I realized is that, you know, less is more. This idea that
00:33:10.100 you need something new every single time you go out is a really youth-obsessed fashion industry, 0.99
00:33:18.900 beauty industry, advertising bullshit, right? That culture, that kind of acquisition stage. 0.95
00:33:25.980 We're not there anymore. And I will say that I am very bored of people telling me that
00:33:32.280 women in middle age, all you need is a capsule wardrobe, right? A capsule wardrobe.
00:33:36.720 Oh, no, I'm so bored. I'm so bored by the capsule wardrobe.
00:33:40.260 I'm bored by capsule wardrobe, coastal grandma, cottagecore, all this shit. 0.98
00:33:44.620 And because I think they've got it wrong. 0.83
00:33:47.260 Capsule wardrobe, when most people discuss it, are talking about things that are sort of your no-fail items that all work together that are usually in one color, right?
00:33:56.500 Whether it's black or cream or gray or maybe.
00:33:59.060 They're all neutrals, very easy to mix and match, blah, blah, blah.
00:34:02.540 That's not how I think about a capsule wardrobe.
00:34:04.740 When I say less is more, I want you to have six to ten go-to outfits that you have put together in your wardrobe that you hang together with shoes and accessories so that when you don't have time to kind of style yourself or play in your closet, you have your MVPs right there, right in front of you.
00:34:26.200 And I usually say three business casual, two business, two for going out or kind of more formal.
00:34:34.380 You decide what works for your life, but there are actual outfits with color, pattern, texture, shine, not just black.
00:34:41.720 You know, I want you to have more creativity and joy around the way that you dress as you age than we've been led to believe that you can have.
00:34:52.460 And so one, that means looking for clothes that don't make you look like you're 25. That's the hard part. There's not a lot of stuff out there. If you want to look relevant, not trendy, that isn't quite expensive. But I do think more is coming. Good things are coming. I have a lot of faith in what's kind of, you know, coming down the line.
00:35:13.680 but I also think that it is the way that we think about accepting right I mean I said this in my
00:35:21.300 book 10 years ago the truth about style I was like the you know the first thing you have to do
00:35:25.320 in order to have style is the improv uh exercise yes and right the yes is the really hard part
00:35:33.700 the yes yes it's accepting okay maybe you know what maybe I'm not going to get rid of that 10
00:35:38.960 pounds. The yes is accepting, maybe I am going to have a little mushier arm or a little mushier
00:35:45.500 tummy. Maybe, maybe, whatever it is, you are going to have to accept that maybe your skin is going to
00:35:50.920 get a little creepier. You are not all, you know, Hollywood starlets who have every, you know, 0.53
00:35:56.100 service available to them. What is the realistic view that you can have of yourself that is purely
00:36:03.260 acceptance that's the yes and that even means acknowledging the things that you don't like
00:36:09.440 because when you acknowledge what you love about your body and you're able to accept what you don't
00:36:15.020 love about your body then you're still working holistically with your body because then you can
00:36:20.160 take control and i i don't like to say hide i like to say consciously camouflage the things you don't
00:36:25.280 like but you can't and it's okay not to like those i think that we've been we've kind of been
00:36:29.920 fed this message recently that like no you have to have radical acceptance of your body but i think
00:36:35.840 it's okay to not have that to have things like you know there's things i don't like and maybe
00:36:40.440 things that i would like to camouflage or you know not hide but like to you know clothes that just
00:36:46.460 amplify other parts of me and it's okay if you don't radically accept you yes i actually think
00:36:53.260 that's radical acceptance so i would argue that radical acceptance is being okay with not loving
00:36:59.620 everything. Because that still means that you are acknowledging that you are a full, whole person
00:37:04.860 with flaws and that you don't love everything. But if you know what you love and what you don't
00:37:09.200 love, that automatically teaches you, okay, if I know what I like about my body and what I don't
00:37:15.500 like about my body and what I want to say to the world, then I can accent what I love and I can
00:37:20.080 consciously camouflage what I don't love. That is, to me, radical acceptance as much as this idea
00:37:26.160 that you have to love everything about yourself.
00:37:28.320 That almost doesn't make any sense to me at all
00:37:31.260 because it's like saying there's only light and no dark.
00:37:33.760 There's only white and no black.
00:37:35.320 You know, it's very hard to say 0.98
00:37:36.440 that radical acceptance is all positivity.
00:37:39.320 Radical acceptance is being able to sit with discomfort
00:37:42.260 and not be okay with everything.
00:37:45.300 That to me is radical acceptance.
00:37:47.100 And that's the yes part of yes and.
00:37:50.720 That's the very hard part.
00:37:52.840 But once you get past that,
00:37:54.100 the and is everything you get to do creatively to do what you want with your style. Once you know
00:38:01.960 what it is you're working with and what you want to highlight and what you don't, the world is
00:38:07.740 yours. The world is your oyster in terms of how creative you can be. And I see, you know, it's
00:38:13.480 funny. I was giving a talk at sort of a large fashion corporation. It was sort of like an all
00:38:19.240 hands meeting. And I was talking a little bit about the generational differences that we see
00:38:24.600 in boomers and Gen X, as opposed to younger millennials, maybe older millennials still
00:38:30.700 kind of fall into the Gen X category, the zillennials, as I like to call them.
00:38:34.560 Yeah. Zillennial with an X. 0.54
00:38:37.580 Right. Exactly. So it's an Xennial.
00:38:41.080 Yeah. But younger millennials and Gen Z, they have very different ideas, right? You know,
00:38:48.560 And again, it's to go back to that idea of how to versus me to. 0.60
00:38:53.840 Gen X and boomers will say to me, I don't know what to wear.
00:38:58.480 I don't know how to flatter my body. 0.98
00:39:00.420 I don't know, you know, what's going to make me look taller or thinner or, you know, what we taught on what not to wear wasn't just style.
00:39:06.980 It was geometry.
00:39:07.900 We were like, this is going to fit you better.
00:39:10.300 This counterbalances a larger part of your body, you know, blah, blah, blah, all of that sort of thing, color forms.
00:39:16.420 but when you get younger they're like who are you to tell me what to wear who are you to say
00:39:24.000 this is flattering what flattering to whom and all of these questions are valid all of these
00:39:30.920 viewpoints are valid but it means that they look at style in a very different way they look at it
00:39:35.780 as personal expression outside of cultural context and if they want to do that great but cultural
00:39:43.140 context still exists, right? So when I say make all your choices the way you want to, you also
00:39:49.280 have to realize that there, you know, as much as you control the narrative, there is always going
00:39:54.760 to be context against that narrative. And whether or not you're in alignment with it or not is
00:40:00.300 completely up to you. But if you want a job, let's say, in a very conservative law firm,
00:40:07.240 And I would say, well, you know, chances are you will have a better presentation, right, at your interview if you are wearing, you know, the traditional, I don't know, kind of cool three-piece pinstripe suit, right?
00:40:21.220 It can be modern.
00:40:22.440 It can be modern, totally, yeah.
00:40:23.860 But that is a visual language that this company will understand.
00:40:26.680 As opposed to, let's say you're interviewing to be a dominatrix, then go ahead and wear the latex catsuit and that will make more sense.
00:40:34.820 You see what I mean?
00:40:35.620 So, but if you want to wear the latex catsuit to the bank interview, that's your choice.
00:40:43.260 That's your choice.
00:40:43.880 Does that mean you're going to get the job?
00:40:45.320 Maybe not.
00:40:46.200 Maybe not.
00:40:47.060 Maybe not.
00:40:47.840 Maybe not.
00:40:48.460 No.
00:40:49.180 No.
00:40:50.100 I would love to live in a world.
00:40:51.280 I tried on a catsuit yesterday, actually.
00:40:53.660 Oh, you did it?
00:40:54.720 It's not latex, okay?
00:40:57.180 But it's an old Norma Kamali, one of those like onesie black tight suits.
00:41:04.100 And I found it at this vintage shop up in the Catskills because I think a lot of older supermodels have been like getting rid of their clothes at this vintage shop.
00:41:13.420 And this catsuit was not flattering for me and I will not be wearing it and I will be passing it on to someone else.
00:41:19.420 But it was actually very, but I bought it when it was flattering for me and I found it in the back of my closet.
00:41:24.960 And I see, I see, I see.
00:41:26.200 But it was very liberating to get rid of it, to pass it on to someone that will love it, because I don't anymore. And I've been holding on to this for five, six years now. And it felt good to be like, we had our time together.
00:41:39.800 Yes, thank you so much.
00:41:40.560 And now it is finished. Thank you.
00:41:41.680 And now it is finished. Go have a wonderful love relationship with somebody else. This is my deep, deep belief.
00:41:47.340 So for the 10 years that I was on What Not To Wear, you know, I was inundated with clothing.
00:41:54.860 And every year I would have a private sale in my apartment.
00:41:58.200 It was around 40 to 50 people, right?
00:42:00.240 I forgot about that.
00:42:01.460 Remember?
00:42:02.440 And everything was $40, whether it was like Yves Saint Laurent or Zara, didn't matter.
00:42:07.980 And everything that I made on the sales, I would match and donate to the Animal Medical Center.
00:42:12.520 And I did that for years.
00:42:14.300 And now, I don't know if you're familiar with Christine Barberik. 0.94
00:42:18.160 She used to work at Refinery29.
00:42:19.820 Oh, yes, of course.
00:42:20.700 Yeah, Christine.
00:42:21.340 So she and I are both thrifters and we love vintage.
00:42:24.900 And we have been throwing garage sales forever.
00:42:28.800 We've done this so many times.
00:42:30.560 And now it's like I just clean out my closet all the time because I do not believe in being sentimental.
00:42:36.380 I know when it's time to break up with something.
00:42:38.740 And I am absolutely fine to do it.
00:42:40.920 And I guarantee you, for all of these people, I used to keep things in my closet because I took a photograph in 2007 in that dress and I looked so good.
00:42:48.300 I'm just going to hold on to it just in case.
00:42:51.100 Just in case.
00:42:51.780 I'm never going to wear that dress again.
00:42:53.200 I'm never going to look that way in that dress again.
00:42:55.240 Why?
00:42:55.780 Why am I doing this?
00:42:56.620 One of the things that's really important to me is that I make the distinction.
00:43:02.140 Nine times out of ten, when I let go of something, I never even remember that I had it.
00:43:06.520 And I really encourage your listeners to realize that if you are holding on to things for sentimentality, it's different if your grandmother passed away and she knitted you a sweater.
00:43:15.800 Great.
00:43:16.220 Keep it in a hope chest.
00:43:17.620 I don't care.
00:43:18.580 Sure.
00:43:18.940 But when it's something that you're holding on to because of the way you used to look in something that does not have any kind of relevance now, break up.
00:43:29.180 Break up.
00:43:29.660 Break up.
00:43:30.160 Break up with it.
00:43:30.760 Breakups are healthy.
00:43:31.660 Breakups are healthy.
00:43:33.140 It is time.
00:43:33.440 It is time.
00:43:33.920 It is time. 0.98
00:43:34.760 I have broken up with five-inch heels.
00:43:35.700 I have broken up with them.
00:43:37.640 I have broken up with them.
00:43:38.840 Yes, I have too.
00:43:39.620 I have too.
00:43:40.200 And you know what?
00:43:40.980 I tried to wear them again.
00:43:44.700 I did this photo shoot for new author photos because I hadn't taken them forever.
00:43:49.280 Which you must.
00:43:50.800 Yes.
00:43:52.360 In a hot pink suit.
00:43:53.940 And I put on these old five-inch heels of mine.
00:43:56.360 I couldn't walk.
00:43:57.620 I couldn't walk in those heels.
00:43:58.700 We're not doing that anymore.
00:44:00.380 That is not my season.
00:44:02.300 No.
00:44:02.440 But I'm happy if you take a photo in them and you can stand up for three seconds and, like, they take the picture and then you can take them off for five minutes.
00:44:09.100 And then they went immediately to Goodwill.
00:44:10.940 I drove directly from that photo shoot to Goodwill.
00:44:13.700 Yes.
00:44:13.960 And, you know, and the other thing that I feel like people don't kind of understand is that you can be regenerative with your closet and your wardrobe.
00:44:20.520 And this is something that I also talk to people certainly in midlife about is that don't forget you can get close to Goodwill and get a receipt where you get a tax write-off for everything that you donate.
00:44:32.440 Right. And if you give clothes to people who vintage dealers or or, you know, secondhand dealers or anywhere on consignment, you can expect an eighth to a quarter of the original price in most cases.
00:44:46.220 Right. And what winds up happening is that you take that money and go put it back into your wardrobe, into something you want.
00:44:52.720 Yes. This is a very healthy breakup.
00:44:56.020 It's also a healthy financial breakup.
00:44:58.540 And, you know, I think as we get older, I want that whole less is more philosophy applies to everything in my life.
00:45:05.480 I want less of everything.
00:45:06.660 I want less furniture.
00:45:07.960 I want less.
00:45:09.120 I want fewer friends, not because I don't like people, but because I feel overwhelmed by the amount of people to keep in touch with and keep track of.
00:45:18.860 I want everybody to know, obviously, that I care about them.
00:45:21.680 But also there comes a point where, you know, you kind of get a free pass if I know that you're friends with my friends, right?
00:45:29.480 Like that circle never, really never changes because the older you get, the more discerning you become.
00:45:35.360 The more discerning you're my people.
00:45:36.880 Yes.
00:45:37.060 Yeah.
00:45:37.300 You need 10 minutes with somebody and I'm like, I want to meet you again or I never want to see you again.
00:45:42.020 Like that to me is also a great blessing when it comes to age, right?
00:45:46.680 We are more discerning on every level.
00:45:48.840 But this idea of having to worry about less as I age allows me the opportunity to do more with my time.
00:45:57.520 So the same way that, you know, Barack Obama famously in that Vanity Fair article said, you know, I only have blue suits or gray suits because I have much bigger things to worry about.
00:46:07.960 Right. Yes. He was like, I've got to keep my decision tree as like precise as possible.
00:46:14.220 One, you can do that with your wardrobe without having it all black or all gray or whatever.
00:46:18.220 That's why you put the MVPs together, but also this idea of cut out the fat and, you know, not to refer to people as fat, but just that whole idea of that acquisitive ACQ phase is over, not inquisitive.
00:46:34.960 The acquisitive phase is over.
00:46:37.260 The acquisitive phase is over.
00:46:38.480 The acquisitive phase is over actually to make room for the inquisitive phase.
00:46:42.940 So you can be more curious and have more adventure and really start to take stock of what matters.
00:46:49.860 Because the other thing about middle age is I do think it changes our relationship to mortality.
00:46:56.060 Once you lose a parent in particular, you realize, A, you're next.
00:47:00.520 And this is not to be like, you know, oh, God, she's going to a really dark place.
00:47:04.060 I think actually the next big industry is going to be death.
00:47:07.860 And I think it's going to be death because it's time to change our relationship to it.
00:47:12.320 We see psychedelics at end of life.
00:47:14.360 We're talking about hip funeral homes and the way that you can be buried in a sack that will disintegrate faster than a casket, things like that.
00:47:23.740 I know it sounds like really graphic or brutal to say, but the thing is you recognize that you have fewer days in front of you than behind you.
00:47:33.760 And it makes those days that much more valuable.
00:47:37.860 And that is something that I think we tend to forget, especially I did when I was like locked in the idea that like, oh, my God, my my youth is gone.
00:47:46.080 You have to grieve before you can accept and then before and then you can thrive.
00:47:51.880 But it's hard and it's hard on all of us.
00:47:54.600 And I think what Gen X is doing right now is making that path a little less bumpy, making that transition a little less bumpy for a lot more people.
00:48:04.800 Mm-hmm.
00:48:05.360 A hundred percent.
00:48:06.280 A hundred percent.
00:48:09.100 I could talk to you all day long.
00:48:12.100 I miss you.
00:48:13.140 That's how I talk to you all day long.
00:48:14.880 I know.
00:48:15.480 I know. 1.00
00:48:15.760 I can't because I do have to go get to my Botox doctor because she's harsh.
00:48:18.500 You have to go get to your Botox doctor.
00:48:19.980 I have to go into town.
00:48:22.180 I have to go into.
00:48:22.920 I live in Brooklyn and I'm like, I have to go into town.
00:48:25.960 I have to go into town.
00:48:26.460 Into the little town.
00:48:28.380 Into the little island.
00:48:30.180 Onto the island, please.
00:48:31.600 Please, I want you to tell everyone how they can find you and support you best right now.
00:48:37.960 Well, it's really funny that you say that.
00:48:39.360 So, you know, normally I tell people Instagram Live and Instagram Live, just Instagram is
00:48:44.200 really where I do most of my things.
00:48:45.620 It's where I do my lives with experts and I am on TikTok, but I can't seem to get back
00:48:52.180 into my account.
00:48:52.900 So I haven't posted anything there in a long time.
00:48:55.720 But that's really, I don't have a website.
00:48:58.480 Any announcements that I make about what's coming up are usually on Instagram.
00:49:03.400 But there is something to look that's coming that I just want to tell you about that is called Marble Collective.
00:49:09.800 And I say this because I think women who are career women who have any kind of public facing aspect to their careers, like you, are going to find this really interesting.
00:49:21.700 It is a place where all of your socials are held.
00:49:25.120 You have an account.
00:49:25.900 it is visible to the public and then it starts pulling every speech that you've done from the
00:49:32.040 internet every article about you it doesn't and once you start you pull you know once it starts
00:49:38.660 pulling it pulls via ai then you start teaching it what you want it to pull and what you don't
00:49:44.220 want it to pull it will pull everything otherwise but you can actually create an entire chronological
00:49:51.060 and visual timeline of your career
00:49:54.880 and a way in which to connect
00:49:56.580 with like-minded people
00:49:58.200 or associates
00:49:59.340 or people in the same field as you.
00:50:01.600 And that is something that's coming
00:50:02.820 that I really can't wait for.
00:50:04.180 They're in beta right now.
00:50:05.760 But when I saw how great
00:50:07.500 this is going to be 0.76
00:50:08.400 for professional women, 0.97
00:50:09.440 I immediately got on board.
00:50:11.600 And if you're interested in menopause,
00:50:13.260 it's like if I'm giving you
00:50:14.400 a menopause reading list,
00:50:15.460 here are all the best books
00:50:16.800 that I've read.
00:50:17.720 That's a resource
00:50:18.460 that you have right away.
00:50:19.960 You know,
00:50:20.280 that way it curtails the amount of work you have to do to get to anything you want to get to so
00:50:25.900 the founder's name is kristin thomas and yeah i just i i think that this is i'm i'm excited about
00:50:31.140 it so i'm i am a i'm a founding member okay but i am a founding member solely because i really
00:50:39.480 believe this is going to be a great way for women but for everybody to interact yeah i want in i
00:50:46.620 want to debate. Yeah, this sounds great. Yeah, I will totally hook you up. Put in a good word for
00:50:50.980 me. I love it. Perfect. All right, I am going to say goodbye now, my friend. Go have a wonderful
00:50:55.340 day. Go into the village. It was so good to see you. It was great to see you. I hope we can talk
00:51:00.200 to you. Yeah, more, more soon. Bye. And that is all we have for today. Stacey is the best.
00:51:06.860 She is a gem and a national treasure, and she always makes me think about something that I
00:51:10.940 didn't expect to think about. Oh. We have a lot more episodes coming up on women's hormones,
00:51:19.040 perimenopause, menopause, all of the influencers and all of the celebrities who are now selling 0.95
00:51:24.840 you stuff around this because it's become a thing. It's definitely become a thing. All of that to
00:51:30.260 come. I am actually getting on a plane right now to go to Sicily to try to solve this hundred-year-old
00:51:36.380 Murder for the Sicilian Inheritance podcast. I mean, literally, I'm leaving the house right now
00:51:42.020 to get on the plane to go. And I'll be sharing all of the things with you on my Instagram,
00:51:46.460 all of the food. I'm going to make you hungry. I'm going to make you really hungry. I will say here,
00:51:50.780 if you haven't ordered the Sicilian Inheritance yet, please, please put the order in. I know
00:51:56.480 pre-orders can be annoying, but there's a reason. It just, it helps a book so much. It is the best
00:52:02.800 way to support me. And honestly, the best way to support this show is by pre-ordering the
00:52:07.560 Sicilian inheritance right now, right now. And also do other nice things for yourself today
00:52:13.280 because you deserve nice things. We all deserve nice things. I'm going to be eating pasta in like
00:52:18.620 16 hours. It's crazy. Okay. Love you all. Bye.
00:52:32.800 We'll see you next time.
00:53:02.800 You