00:04:11.920I mean, talk to me about, I mean, we are both women
00:04:15.960who are we were much younger than and we are aging and we are aging beautifully you look
00:04:23.540amazing but there are stories that we don't tell about women of a certain age there are gaps in
00:04:33.740our culture in you know showing women how to be in the world what to wear in the world
00:04:40.080What have you been seeing in this space?
00:04:43.240I mean, I think, you know, one of the things that I have definitely learned and certainly I think over the last 15 years, we have seen this and partly because of social media and technology.
00:04:54.640But this need for authenticity and this need not necessarily to constantly be confessional, but to talk about ourselves in real terms instead of this kind of glossy.
00:05:07.080like, you know, let's say when I was on What Not Wear, that was back in the day when you had
00:05:10.980a television persona and a private life, right? Now there's this blur between everybody's a brand
00:05:16.880because of who they are, which is something that I like to talk about between we were a how-to
00:05:22.960revolution, like, you know, a how-to generation where we look to experts and we wanted advice
00:05:29.800to a Me Too generation where we have become our own brands and our own sort of auteurs of
00:05:36.900what we look like, how we want to, you know, sort of experience and appear in the world.
00:05:41.740So it's very different from, you know, like 2003. But one of the things that I really have felt all
00:05:48.820along, and maybe this is actually from my experience on What Not To Wear, is that from the individual
00:05:55.080story, the more personal and authentic it is, comes a universal truth. There is always something,
00:06:01.640Whether you relate exactly to that person or you have nothing in common with that person, the more authentic you are talking about the human experience and journey that you are on, the more people are going to understand and relate to it in some way.
00:06:16.000And that has been sort of a guiding principle for me, certainly in the last 15 years. And, you know, when I stopped, my phone stopped ringing and I stopped getting called for TV jobs and styling jobs and not really being sure what to do.
00:06:32.080I was very open about feeling a certain amount of grief over this loss of identity. And I was
00:06:39.300very open about the fact that having spine surgery was very difficult and truly traumatic for me,
00:06:46.300as I was very honest about losing my father and how traumatic. And I had no idea what that kind
00:06:53.680of grief was going to be. And to experience that all at around the age of 47 to 49 really was also
00:07:01.960when I was in the depths of what I did not know were significant hormonal changes called
00:07:07.400perimenopause, right? Nobody, no doctor said anything to me. Nobody said anything to me for
00:07:12.220the longest time. And I was feeling a real emotional upheaval, anxiety, depression, rage,
00:07:19.700just constant insecurity. I just hid away from the world. I was having physical changes like
00:07:25.740body weight redistribution. I had headaches. I had joint pain. I had insomnia. I had brain fog.
00:07:30.160I mean, you name a symptom, and I pretty much had it.
00:07:33.520And I thought, this must be the physical manifestation of grief.
00:07:41.800Nobody once ever said to me, hang on, this is a natural transition that we need to take
00:07:49.720seriously and that we need to reframe in order for you to get on the other side of it and
00:07:55.720feel like you have done something successful.
00:07:57.460And it's funny, I heard Jodie Foster say recently, like,
00:08:00.160Even in her 50s, she was still like, you know, I don't know how I'm handling this aging thing or whatever.
00:08:04.980And she got to her 60s and she's like, everything feels so much easier.
00:08:09.160And I do not at all think that that is unrelated to hormonal transition.
00:08:16.200And so once I started to learn about perimenopause and I had to do a lot of that work myself, then I started going to my doctors and being like, what about this?
00:08:25.760and fighting a lot of what is, you know, sort of was common culturally and medically at that time
00:08:33.080known about menopause, right? Hormones are dangerous. They're going to give you cancer.
00:08:37.120Nobody can take them. So doctors stopped learning about menopause altogether. When you put all this
00:08:42.300stuff in context specifically for Gen X, I think you realize that there is a reason that Gen X's
00:08:48.640legacy is going to be not only to normalize midlife, but to normalize this entire experience
00:08:53.480And therefore, to change the way we kind of think about aging, because I think of us as, you know, the scrappiest generation, right? We're the latchkey kids. We have to figure everything out for ourselves.
00:09:04.080Which I think about this all the time, by the way, as I'm raising my children alongside a lot of parents who I would call helicopter parents.
00:13:16.380I'm not sure where I was going with that.
00:13:17.840I know that I was saying, oh, right, that fashion magazines were so fancy.
00:13:22.000But I feel that really what I wound up feeling was that style is not something superficial, right?
00:13:28.180The fashion industry, the beauty industry, we're going to sell you something new every week.
00:13:32.220But every personal style is is so much more. And we have so much agency if we know how to do it. Right. If we know what we like and what we don't like. But when I started to experience perimenopause, I never felt more disempowered. I never felt like I had less agency. I never felt more helpless.
00:13:52.560And for me, there was an actual like aha moment where I was like, I have to take everything that I have done in the style sphere and put that towards advocacy for health care.
00:14:05.580Because we the same way we can't take care of ourselves if we don't have an actual understanding and awareness of who we are and what we want.
00:14:13.680The same thing is true in health care.
00:14:15.680The same thing is true about how how are you going to take care of yourself in menopause if you don't know that you're going through it?
00:14:20.840So education and agency and advocacy all became really, really important topics to me because I recognized that style wasn't superficial.
00:15:15.480Because in our 40s and 50s, when we start to lose our parents,
00:15:18.900when our kids start to get older. 45 to 55, Scientific American once said is the lowest
00:15:24.520point of happiness in a woman's life. Highest increase of depression, divorce, and decreased
00:15:29.600earning potential. These things are not by accident. That is when we are going through
00:15:34.420perimenopause. That is when it happens. And of course, if you feel completely overwhelmed by
00:15:40.680external stressors when you're least able to handle them, you're going to feel this kind of
00:15:45.940sense of being completely overwhelmed. Right. And we conflate what is happening hormonally with
00:15:51.960aging. And we know that we are a youth obsessed culture. Well, why? Why are we a youth obsessed
00:15:57.740culture? Like, is it just because like, oh, that's the coolest new thing. And so whatever is new is
00:16:03.480cool or no. Look back sociobiologically. Youth is associated with fertility. And how do you further
00:16:11.220the human race, you got to get people pregnant. That's why youth matters, right? It's very1.00
00:16:17.080different from the cultural layers of what we have kind of laid over that sociobiology.
00:16:24.700Culture has actually gone far past that. So this idea that youth is to be prized above everything
00:16:32.000else no longer makes sense in the society in which we live. It's not like if you stop getting
00:16:38.080your period and you are no longer biologically able to have children, you have nothing to
00:16:42.540contribute. You know what I mean? Yes. What are you talking about? What are you talking about?
00:16:47.160We don't live in that world anymore. We don't live in that world. And that's the thing that
00:16:51.400got me so riled up, right? When I realized that, A, we are at, you know, we are really not on a
00:16:59.520level playing field because women do not know enough about their own health to take care of1.00
00:17:03.700themselves. We've been busy taking care of other people. What really occurred to me was that1.00
00:17:08.680culturally we've internalized all these things so that we don't believe that getting older has any
00:17:14.020value where, you know, there is so much value in age. There is so much value at this particular
00:17:20.660age. And I actually believe that menopause is sort of mother nature's biological fail safe to make
00:17:26.980you sit up and realize that you don't have an expiration date. The values that you held when
00:17:32.820we're younger do. Oh, we are going to take a quick break here. Be right back.
00:17:41.160When I'm looking at the next 12 months of my life, what I do not have on the books and what is
00:17:48.120impossible for me to have on the books is a trip to Sicily. However, the next best thing to having
00:17:54.220my own adventure in Sicily was reading Joe Piazza's new novel, The Sicilian Inheritance.
00:17:59.720It is a vacation in a book. If your vacations were sexy murder mysteries that also dive deep
00:18:09.320into generational trauma, but not in too heavy of a way, it is the perfect book to take on a plane.
00:18:16.760It is the perfect book to read next to your public pool while taking breaks to yell at your kids.
00:18:24.020it is the perfect book to get you out of a reading slump, and it is available now wherever you get
00:18:30.400books. Okay, we are back. When we left, Stacey had just said something that blew my freaking
00:18:43.000mind. Menopause is sort of Mother Nature's biological fail-safe to make you sit up and
00:18:50.300realize that you don't have an expiration date the values you held when you were younger do
00:18:55.540i love that talk dig in tell me tell me more about that i want to give credit where credit
00:19:02.500is due my friend rebecca odes and i have been working on a project together and she was the
00:19:07.040one who said to me that that's the switch that's the flip we are not the ones with an expiration
00:19:12.360date right think about what we value when we're younger we care so much about what other people
00:19:17.180think in our, what I call acquisitive stage, position stage, right? The more toys you have,
00:19:23.840the more you win. You want to show off your clothes. You want to, you know, whether you're
00:19:28.840peacocking for a mate or a job or whatever it is, right? That is sort of what your 20s and 30s are
00:19:35.680meant to be. You're figuring out who you are. You're trying sort of personas on, you know,
00:19:41.260in order to see what sticks and what fits. But by the time you get to your 40s, you're already
00:19:46.380starting to build a life, whether that's within your family or whether that's within your career,
00:19:52.080that becomes a little bit more stable. At actual age, what I think is that we stop needing so much
00:19:58.560external approval in order to do what we want, in order to feel what we want. When I was 47,
00:20:04.420I wrote this article for Refinery29 when I was like, just my pockets are out of fucks to give.0.97
00:20:09.980I don't care. Oh, I remember. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I remember that story. I remember that story.0.97
00:20:13.640I look back and I realized how much I didn't understand about what I was going through, but it also stands the test of time in that I was like, I don't dress in pencil skirts and five-inch heels anymore. I like wearing suits and leather jumpsuits, and you may not know that about me, but that's who I actually am.
00:20:31.360And this idea that I was going to disappoint an audience who knew me from What Not to Wear by not being the styled person that they expected me to be was something that I was ready to let go of.
00:20:42.960And I think as we age, we are ready to let go of cultural expectations more and more and more.
00:20:49.480And the more that we're able to investigate them individually and realize sort of what we've internalized from society and culture, certainly through a patriarchal lens, then we can say, OK, wait, do I actually believe that or I've been taught to believe that?
00:26:09.980We talk about how haircuts really make the difference in terms of the way we perceive people.
00:26:15.360But it's that I didn't even know about hot flashes.
00:26:18.940I didn't even understand very much about that.
00:26:21.560Even in what went to my 40s, I don't think I understood anything about it.
00:26:25.960And I certainly didn't understand what the implications of the severity of perimenopausal symptoms could be for me after menopause, right?
00:26:35.320So there is research that says if you have very severe hot flashes and, you know, the severity and frequency, you have high frequency and high severity of hot flashes, that can indicate, it can indicate that you will have more cardiac issues post-menopause.
00:26:53.100So these are things that it's not like, okay, let's just talk about what's happening in peri.
00:26:58.000Menopause is this unbelievable opportunity and really the last opportunity that you have
00:27:05.880to really take control of your health.
00:27:08.580Because after this, it's not preventative.
00:27:11.820Then everything from here on out that you haven't done to sort of safeguard your health,
00:27:17.080you're going to have to, you're playing catch up, right?
00:27:19.440So this is another reason that I think we have to start paying attention to menopause
00:27:25.660as a marker in our lives, stop conflating it with aging, which, by the way, we should have no shame
00:27:32.040around aging to begin with. But that's where I think menopause and aging is that perfect confluence
00:27:36.820of ew, gross, and now she's ugly and dry. You know, whatever. Yes. Ugly and dry. Yes. A shriveled1.00
00:27:45.240up old woman. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. The crone instead of- The crone. Yeah. Instead of the1.00
00:27:53.220goddess, you know, of being wise. And there's just so many sort of almost like Jungian
00:27:59.800conceptions of what age is. So it is the responsibility of people with privilege
00:28:06.660to start screaming from the rooftops in order to make changes. We have to make changes for everybody
00:28:13.660to kind of heal successfully. And I would say there's a lot of healing that needs to be done
00:28:18.880in the world right now. We're not moving in the right direction. No, we're not. We're not moving
00:28:24.380in the right direction. But I do think, as you said, that Gen X is pushing for us to move in0.90
00:28:30.120the right direction. Mostly Gen X women. I do think that we're it is the first generation that0.99
00:28:36.580is saying, nope, I'm not I'm not taking the status quo of how you treat me medically, of how you want
00:28:43.560me to look in a magazine of how you expect me to dress or how of how you expect me to disappear
00:28:49.940at a certain age. We're not taking it and we deserve better and you will treat us better.
00:28:55.640By the time Gen Z gets to menopause, they're going to know exactly what to do. This will be
00:28:59.520just another day in the office. This will be totally will expect benefits from their companies.
00:29:04.140They will know exactly how to we this is our legacy in a lot of ways, I think, is to change
00:29:10.320this narrative, not just about menopause. Menopause is just the tip of the iceberg,
00:29:15.220but about aging and the way that we do it. And look, also, Jen, we were born at this insane
00:29:20.600time in history, right? We were taught, oh, we need to be skinny. We need to disappear. We need
00:29:25.260to look a certain way. We need to get married. We still got all of that traditional bullshit.0.96
00:29:29.820But then we're also in a position to be much healthier and happier than generations before0.99
00:29:37.040us, right? We know about 10,000 steps. We know smoking is bad for you. We know that sitting is
00:29:42.180bad for you. We know that strength training is good for you. And we also are the beneficiaries
00:29:47.780of like, you know, real technological advances in cosmetic dermatology. We really are. We don't
00:29:55.460look our age. Not at all. Not at all. Do what you want. Get the Botox, get the filler, get the face.
00:30:00.560Oh, you get the things. I don't care. You get all the things. No, no, no, no, no. You do what makes
00:30:03.900you happy do what makes you happy that doesn't stop you from aging it means that you are going
00:30:08.980to age on your terms the way that you want to age the way that you want to age and whether that's
00:30:14.380like a justine bateman who says i'm never going to touch my face to you know i don't know like a
00:30:19.840a lot of real housewives whatever you decide whatever you whatever however you want to be1.00
00:30:24.960in the world says the girl that's gonna gonna have to have to leave this interview and go run1.00
00:30:29.940to the Botox doctor to get my, to her Botox. I've got it. It's time to get it. Time to get
00:30:34.540a turbo, a freshen up, a fresher gum. But yeah, I love that. We are going to take a quick break
00:30:42.000here. Be right back. We were talking earlier before we started recording about how we don't
00:30:58.080see enough out there about how to dress as a woman. That is something I'll tell you. I, you know,
00:31:05.660I did this tour with Clinton. We did a Stacey and Clinton tour, which was not a what not to wear
00:31:10.520thing that was like in person live. We wanted to do it as an experiment. We made up quite a few
00:31:16.140years ago and, you know, everybody thought we still hated each other's guts. And there was
00:31:20.180some big feud, which also part of growing up was like, I don't want to hold on to grudges and I
00:31:25.200I don't want to. I don't want to grudge. I don't want to grudge. No, I don't have time to be angry.
00:31:29.840I just don't. You know, there's too many other things in the world to do and other things to
00:31:33.440much bigger things to be angry at, not people that I actually loved and cared about, you know,
00:31:38.060like that. Let's just resolve those issues. So Clinton and I went on tour and it was astounding
00:31:44.260because it was such good market research. Right. All of these women that I have been talking to
00:31:49.160about menopause, about what to do with, you know, feelings of depression or helplessness or
00:31:55.040or or low self-esteem because they've gained weight or body redistribution and body weight
00:32:00.240redistribution and and not knowing how to dress has become this huge topic really between women
00:32:07.100you know 45 to 70 where are the clothes for them they don't want to look like their kids
00:32:12.120they want to invest in in in quality pieces but not everybody not everybody's quality is the same
00:32:19.040thing, right? I really tell people, think about what you want your wardrobe budget to be. Most
00:32:25.040people don't actually sit down and write out how much money they're going to spend, whether it's
00:32:29.880monthly or yearly or weekly or whatever, on clothes or accessories or anything. We usually just buy
00:32:34.900things that we like or when we need something. But if you stick to a budget, then you decide,
00:32:41.460where am I investing in the most quality I can afford? That's my first thing, right? I'm like,
00:32:46.680So let's talk about as we age, the first thing I talk about is you're investing in the best
00:32:51.300quality that you can afford and create a budget so that you don't get into trouble, right? That
00:32:57.000you really understand what part of your savings or your, you know, salary you want to spend on
00:33:04.760this. And the other thing that I realized is that, you know, less is more. This idea that
00:33:10.100you need something new every single time you go out is a really youth-obsessed fashion industry,0.99
00:33:18.900beauty industry, advertising bullshit, right? That culture, that kind of acquisition stage.0.95
00:33:25.980We're not there anymore. And I will say that I am very bored of people telling me that
00:33:32.280women in middle age, all you need is a capsule wardrobe, right? A capsule wardrobe.
00:33:36.720Oh, no, I'm so bored. I'm so bored by the capsule wardrobe.
00:33:40.260I'm bored by capsule wardrobe, coastal grandma, cottagecore, all this shit.0.98
00:33:44.620And because I think they've got it wrong.0.83
00:33:47.260Capsule wardrobe, when most people discuss it, are talking about things that are sort of your no-fail items that all work together that are usually in one color, right?
00:33:56.500Whether it's black or cream or gray or maybe.
00:33:59.060They're all neutrals, very easy to mix and match, blah, blah, blah.
00:34:02.540That's not how I think about a capsule wardrobe.
00:34:04.740When I say less is more, I want you to have six to ten go-to outfits that you have put together in your wardrobe that you hang together with shoes and accessories so that when you don't have time to kind of style yourself or play in your closet, you have your MVPs right there, right in front of you.
00:34:26.200And I usually say three business casual, two business, two for going out or kind of more formal.
00:34:34.380You decide what works for your life, but there are actual outfits with color, pattern, texture, shine, not just black.
00:34:41.720You know, I want you to have more creativity and joy around the way that you dress as you age than we've been led to believe that you can have.
00:34:52.460And so one, that means looking for clothes that don't make you look like you're 25. That's the hard part. There's not a lot of stuff out there. If you want to look relevant, not trendy, that isn't quite expensive. But I do think more is coming. Good things are coming. I have a lot of faith in what's kind of, you know, coming down the line.
00:35:13.680but I also think that it is the way that we think about accepting right I mean I said this in my
00:35:21.300book 10 years ago the truth about style I was like the you know the first thing you have to do
00:35:25.320in order to have style is the improv uh exercise yes and right the yes is the really hard part
00:35:33.700the yes yes it's accepting okay maybe you know what maybe I'm not going to get rid of that 10
00:35:38.960pounds. The yes is accepting, maybe I am going to have a little mushier arm or a little mushier
00:35:45.500tummy. Maybe, maybe, whatever it is, you are going to have to accept that maybe your skin is going to
00:35:50.920get a little creepier. You are not all, you know, Hollywood starlets who have every, you know,0.53
00:35:56.100service available to them. What is the realistic view that you can have of yourself that is purely
00:36:03.260acceptance that's the yes and that even means acknowledging the things that you don't like
00:36:09.440because when you acknowledge what you love about your body and you're able to accept what you don't
00:36:15.020love about your body then you're still working holistically with your body because then you can
00:36:20.160take control and i i don't like to say hide i like to say consciously camouflage the things you don't
00:36:25.280like but you can't and it's okay not to like those i think that we've been we've kind of been
00:36:29.920fed this message recently that like no you have to have radical acceptance of your body but i think
00:36:35.840it's okay to not have that to have things like you know there's things i don't like and maybe
00:36:40.440things that i would like to camouflage or you know not hide but like to you know clothes that just
00:36:46.460amplify other parts of me and it's okay if you don't radically accept you yes i actually think
00:36:53.260that's radical acceptance so i would argue that radical acceptance is being okay with not loving
00:36:59.620everything. Because that still means that you are acknowledging that you are a full, whole person
00:37:04.860with flaws and that you don't love everything. But if you know what you love and what you don't
00:37:09.200love, that automatically teaches you, okay, if I know what I like about my body and what I don't
00:37:15.500like about my body and what I want to say to the world, then I can accent what I love and I can
00:37:20.080consciously camouflage what I don't love. That is, to me, radical acceptance as much as this idea
00:37:26.160that you have to love everything about yourself.
00:37:28.320That almost doesn't make any sense to me at all
00:37:31.260because it's like saying there's only light and no dark.
00:39:07.900We were like, this is going to fit you better.
00:39:10.300This counterbalances a larger part of your body, you know, blah, blah, blah, all of that sort of thing, color forms.
00:39:16.420but when you get younger they're like who are you to tell me what to wear who are you to say
00:39:24.000this is flattering what flattering to whom and all of these questions are valid all of these
00:39:30.920viewpoints are valid but it means that they look at style in a very different way they look at it
00:39:35.780as personal expression outside of cultural context and if they want to do that great but cultural
00:39:43.140context still exists, right? So when I say make all your choices the way you want to, you also
00:39:49.280have to realize that there, you know, as much as you control the narrative, there is always going
00:39:54.760to be context against that narrative. And whether or not you're in alignment with it or not is
00:40:00.300completely up to you. But if you want a job, let's say, in a very conservative law firm,
00:40:07.240And I would say, well, you know, chances are you will have a better presentation, right, at your interview if you are wearing, you know, the traditional, I don't know, kind of cool three-piece pinstripe suit, right?
00:40:57.180But it's an old Norma Kamali, one of those like onesie black tight suits.
00:41:04.100And I found it at this vintage shop up in the Catskills because I think a lot of older supermodels have been like getting rid of their clothes at this vintage shop.
00:41:13.420And this catsuit was not flattering for me and I will not be wearing it and I will be passing it on to someone else.
00:41:19.420But it was actually very, but I bought it when it was flattering for me and I found it in the back of my closet.
00:41:26.200But it was very liberating to get rid of it, to pass it on to someone that will love it, because I don't anymore. And I've been holding on to this for five, six years now. And it felt good to be like, we had our time together.
00:42:40.920And I guarantee you, for all of these people, I used to keep things in my closet because I took a photograph in 2007 in that dress and I looked so good.
00:42:48.300I'm just going to hold on to it just in case.
00:42:56.620One of the things that's really important to me is that I make the distinction.
00:43:02.140Nine times out of ten, when I let go of something, I never even remember that I had it.
00:43:06.520And I really encourage your listeners to realize that if you are holding on to things for sentimentality, it's different if your grandmother passed away and she knitted you a sweater.
00:43:18.940But when it's something that you're holding on to because of the way you used to look in something that does not have any kind of relevance now, break up.
00:44:02.440But I'm happy if you take a photo in them and you can stand up for three seconds and, like, they take the picture and then you can take them off for five minutes.
00:44:09.100And then they went immediately to Goodwill.
00:44:10.940I drove directly from that photo shoot to Goodwill.
00:44:13.960And, you know, and the other thing that I feel like people don't kind of understand is that you can be regenerative with your closet and your wardrobe.
00:44:20.520And this is something that I also talk to people certainly in midlife about is that don't forget you can get close to Goodwill and get a receipt where you get a tax write-off for everything that you donate.
00:44:32.440Right. And if you give clothes to people who vintage dealers or or, you know, secondhand dealers or anywhere on consignment, you can expect an eighth to a quarter of the original price in most cases.
00:44:46.220Right. And what winds up happening is that you take that money and go put it back into your wardrobe, into something you want.
00:45:09.120I want fewer friends, not because I don't like people, but because I feel overwhelmed by the amount of people to keep in touch with and keep track of.
00:45:18.860I want everybody to know, obviously, that I care about them.
00:45:21.680But also there comes a point where, you know, you kind of get a free pass if I know that you're friends with my friends, right?
00:45:29.480Like that circle never, really never changes because the older you get, the more discerning you become.
00:45:37.300You need 10 minutes with somebody and I'm like, I want to meet you again or I never want to see you again.
00:45:42.020Like that to me is also a great blessing when it comes to age, right?
00:45:46.680We are more discerning on every level.
00:45:48.840But this idea of having to worry about less as I age allows me the opportunity to do more with my time.
00:45:57.520So the same way that, you know, Barack Obama famously in that Vanity Fair article said, you know, I only have blue suits or gray suits because I have much bigger things to worry about.
00:46:07.960Right. Yes. He was like, I've got to keep my decision tree as like precise as possible.
00:46:14.220One, you can do that with your wardrobe without having it all black or all gray or whatever.
00:46:18.220That's why you put the MVPs together, but also this idea of cut out the fat and, you know, not to refer to people as fat, but just that whole idea of that acquisitive ACQ phase is over, not inquisitive.
00:47:14.360We're talking about hip funeral homes and the way that you can be buried in a sack that will disintegrate faster than a casket, things like that.
00:47:23.740I know it sounds like really graphic or brutal to say, but the thing is you recognize that you have fewer days in front of you than behind you.
00:47:33.760And it makes those days that much more valuable.
00:47:37.860And that is something that I think we tend to forget, especially I did when I was like locked in the idea that like, oh, my God, my my youth is gone.
00:47:46.080You have to grieve before you can accept and then before and then you can thrive.
00:47:51.880But it's hard and it's hard on all of us.
00:47:54.600And I think what Gen X is doing right now is making that path a little less bumpy, making that transition a little less bumpy for a lot more people.
00:48:52.900So I haven't posted anything there in a long time.
00:48:55.720But that's really, I don't have a website.
00:48:58.480Any announcements that I make about what's coming up are usually on Instagram.
00:49:03.400But there is something to look that's coming that I just want to tell you about that is called Marble Collective.
00:49:09.800And I say this because I think women who are career women who have any kind of public facing aspect to their careers, like you, are going to find this really interesting.
00:49:21.700It is a place where all of your socials are held.