Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - May 07, 2024


Genealogy Influencing is a Real Thing with The Barefoot Genealogist

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00:00:00.680 I don't think I can be your friend, Isabella said.
00:00:04.080 Rebecca's stomach flipped.
00:00:06.240 This is the love story of real hinge couple Isabella and Rebecca,
00:00:09.900 written and read by me, Temmie Denton-Hurst.
00:00:12.360 Listen to the free audiobook now.
00:00:22.840 Hi. I'm so excited to be here today with you.
00:00:26.860 If you are a longtime listener of this show,
00:00:29.380 And I'm talking 100 episodes ago, like the very beginning, where we had very, very expensive
00:00:34.860 editors and truly excellent sound design. Ah, the good old days. But you know what? I don't think I
00:00:41.880 was as much fun back then. I don't. I don't. In the first season of Under the Influence, I came up
00:00:47.800 with a rule for influencing. I mean, who am I to come up with rules? But who is anyone to come up
00:00:54.380 with rules for anything. I came up with this rule that was, if it exists in the world,
00:01:00.360 there's an influencer for it. And I am constantly, constantly proved right. Four years. That was four
00:01:08.520 years ago. And since then, I really haven't found a thing that exists that there's not some kind of
00:01:17.140 influencer for. So when I started researching my other podcast, The Sicilian Inheritance,
00:01:24.420 the true crime podcast where I'm just going back to Sicily to solve my great-great-grandmother's
00:01:30.580 murder with my children, I did a lot of genealogy research. And guess what? There's a genealogy
00:01:40.040 influencer. In fact, there's many of them. But my favorite, my favorite genealogy influencer,
00:01:47.720 by far, is Krista Cowan. She calls herself the barefoot genealogist, because what else would
00:01:55.280 you call yourself if you were a genealogy influencer? Krista also works for Ancestry.com.
00:02:01.560 She's been there since 2004, and she's been their corporate genealogist since about 2011.
00:02:07.260 11. But she's also on the social media. She's on the Instagrams. Being all barefoot. And this is
00:02:16.580 how she describes herself. You may know me as the barefoot genealogist. I hate wearing shoes.
00:02:24.380 But invariably, as I travel around the country doing genealogy research, I find that librarians
00:02:29.920 and archivists don't love me running around their facilities in my bare feet. That's why it makes me
00:02:35.840 so happy that every passing day brings more and more genealogy and family history resources
00:02:42.460 online. She also says this on her website, which I love. Families are messy, and always have been.
00:02:53.940 I'm here to help you navigate the world of family tree building with confidence.
00:02:59.740 Love it. There are some things that I do not think there should be influencers for,
00:03:04.600 and this one seems pretty useful. So we're going to get into all of it with Krista today.
00:03:09.360 I've cut out most of the parts where it's just me asking very annoying questions about my own
00:03:14.320 family tree. Those are over on the Sicilian Inheritance podcast. But while I was editing
00:03:19.540 that, I was like, oh my gosh, no, we have to do this kind of UTI crossover here because the
00:03:26.000 influencing side of this and also the side of this where the stories about our past and our
00:03:31.460 ancestors, how those stories shape us and our identity. All of that is really powerful. So here
00:03:38.760 she is. And you know what? She's not wearing shoes. I think you're one of the biggest genealogy
00:03:49.600 influencers on the interwebs. Yeah, probably. When I created this role, social media was still fairly
00:03:56.800 knew and Ancestry hadn't really leaned into that space. And so we started a YouTube channel and I
00:04:02.720 started a series called The Barefoot Genealogist. And so then as other social media platforms just
00:04:08.020 kind of took off, I was positioned because I was so much a face of the company to just do well in
00:04:14.800 those spaces. So Facebook drew a lot of attention for the genealogy crowd. There are dozens and
00:04:21.360 dozens of genealogy Facebook groups. I don't administer any of them because that's not the
00:04:26.840 role I want, but I do serve kind of in an advisory capacity and I'm able to lean in and answer
00:04:32.180 questions and people tag me into things and then kind of started at my own Instagram and have used
00:04:39.020 that as a space to just explore some additional, just some additional ways to reach people and to
00:04:44.540 educate people. When Krista and I hopped on the phone, she'd just gotten back from one of the
00:04:50.120 largest genealogy conferences in the world. Hundreds of thousands of people, sometimes
00:04:55.460 millions, attend these conferences every year. And I think it's because we're all hungry
00:05:01.220 for connection. We're hungry for stories that can help shape our identities in a world
00:05:05.680 that feels crazy. I know that doing my own research for the Sicilian Inheritance podcast
00:05:11.440 and finding out about my great-great-grandmother Lorenza's life and all of the other stories
00:05:17.000 about my family. It changed me. It changed how I view the world, how I move in the world.
00:05:25.900 And I was so curious if Krista sees these transformations in people when they start
00:05:30.500 this kind of research. Absolutely. I mean, there are, I mean, I have a plethora of stories, but
00:05:37.500 there are a few people who I have learned more about, some of whom I grew up knowing something
00:05:44.720 about. But as I dug into their stories, my perception of them changed, which ultimately
00:05:49.940 changed my perception of myself and changed the perception of how I move forward in the world
00:05:55.920 and what my purpose is. And I find that with a lot of people, like there's one or two ancestors
00:06:01.460 that just really resonate with them or one or two mysteries to be solved that they become obsessed
00:06:07.140 with. Or I mean, like there's always something for people to latch on to. But I think every one
00:06:14.440 of us has something in us that just craves knowing. Craves knowing more about who came before us and
00:06:20.780 how we came to be who and where and what we are. And it's so influenced by the past, whether we
00:06:27.420 are conscious of it or not, that when we become conscious of it, it has this power that is
00:06:34.620 unexplainable almost. I wish I could explain how or why it happens. And I don't know. I just know
00:06:41.580 that it does because i've seen it over and over and over again yeah i i am now i now believe that
00:06:47.620 too i was a non-believer before okay but now i fully believe that these stories from the past
00:06:55.940 these stories about our ancestors they have a real ability to shape who we are and how we move
00:07:03.720 through the world in the present day yeah so what are some of what are some of the craziest stories
00:07:10.400 or interesting stories that you've learned about your own family's past doing this kind of work
00:07:14.540 oh that's a great question um i mean there are sad stories for sure because history is messy
00:07:23.660 and families are messy and families have always been messy and all families like there's just
00:07:31.260 like that's just kind of the reality of the world that we live in and so there are stories that will
00:07:37.280 break your heart. There are stories that will inspire you because of the resilience that they
00:07:42.780 displayed in the face of really challenging things. I think that's probably the thing that
00:07:50.000 resonates the most with me. I have an ancestor that I grew up sharing about my whole life,
00:07:56.840 just kind of in random conversations with my mom. And it wasn't until I really dug into her life
00:08:04.860 and understood the full scope of why it was so impactful to my mom as a mother to hear this story
00:08:10.560 about this woman who was shipped off to America on a on a prison ship essentially and her indentureship
00:08:19.140 was bought by a man who was a slave owner and she was um he fathered two children viper non-consensually
00:08:28.580 and then she died like that's it like that's like you think about it and you're like that's
00:08:34.120 her whole story and yet you realize she lived long enough to come to America and to have two
00:08:39.460 children and those two sons who bear her name because their father would not give them his name
00:08:46.500 they are the progenitors of probably close to 50 or 60,000 people across the world now
00:08:53.280 and that's like you think about you put stuff like that in that kind of context
00:08:58.640 and it changes the significance of people's lives. Wow. Wow. I just got chills hearing that
00:09:06.840 because with my family's story, we have this story that a woman, our family matriarch was
00:09:15.840 murdered. And that's all that my family knew that she was murdered before she could come over here
00:09:22.840 to join her husband and sons and my goal in all of this research was to not talk about her death
00:09:28.840 but to talk about her life she lived a long time before this this happened what was her life like
00:09:35.700 who was she and I I kind of hear the same thing in your story you're like well she lived a long
00:09:41.500 time she had two kids she made it across an ocean but we we don't talk about that we don't
00:09:47.060 talk about women's lives and women's stories nearly enough right I agree
00:09:52.840 So what did you, what did you learn about her when you dug into things?
00:09:56.980 Yeah, it's interesting.
00:09:58.020 So she was raised in this tiny little village in England in the 1700s in a time when the
00:10:04.440 Church of England had kind of a stranglehold on the culture and she chose to leave that
00:10:10.600 faith.
00:10:11.280 She didn't choose to leave faith or to leave God.
00:10:14.140 She just chose to leave that faith and her parents disowned her and her community shunned
00:10:18.760 her and she ended up going to London to find work to support herself.
00:10:22.600 at 18 years old 18 i mean like and and she found herself in some dire circumstances and made some
00:10:29.280 poor choices as all teenagers do but without any kind of social or familial support system
00:10:35.220 those choices landed her in prison and ultimately she was sentenced to seven years of indentureship
00:10:41.140 in the colonies and shipped off and then that landed her into a terrible situation with a man
00:10:47.100 who was cruel and um and we suspect that we don't have evidence yet that she actually died in
00:10:55.540 childbirth with a third child she lived i mean like you know in the scheme of things she only
00:11:00.960 lived into her you know late 20s but but it was long enough yeah yeah wow i mean as as a reporter
00:11:11.420 i have so many questions and then as a novelist i'm like krista do we write this novel together
00:11:17.880 yes a hundred percent we do let me get this sicilian inheritance out the door and then
00:11:23.480 we're gonna talk about this yeah wow yeah peggy margaret lawrence i don't know like we've always
00:11:30.620 called her peggy in our family i don't know if she ever used that name but that's always the
00:11:34.520 name in our mind when we talk about her um like she left an impact she left like just the little
00:11:40.300 pieces of story that that were shared I mean she's my six times great-grandmother like the little
00:11:46.760 pieces of stories that were shared you have to keep in mind her sons were little when she died
00:11:51.440 and they were they were essentially the property of this man who had fathered them they by the time
00:11:58.720 they came of age had to serve out the rest of her indentureship I mean like the circumstances of
00:12:05.060 their raising was also terrible. But someone on that property came to know her enough to tell
00:12:11.160 them the stories enough that they were able to pass them on to their children and grandchildren.
00:12:16.060 And those stories just perpetuated, like that tiny thread perpetuated until it got to my mom
00:12:22.900 and her uncle who cared enough about it to start digging into the story and figure out more of the
00:12:29.260 truth. And then they passed it on to me and I was able to find even more of the story. And I just,
00:12:34.480 i think it it feels sometimes almost like she was just waiting to be discovered and
00:12:39.920 and waiting to have her voice restored to her and her story told yeah i feel the same way about
00:12:47.120 lorenza yeah she was was waiting for her story to be told and in in all of the ways with with the 0.77
00:12:55.780 book this is slain inheritance and now with this podcast so yeah wow wow um lucky peggy uh her
00:13:03.700 A great, great, great, great, great ancestor happens to now be the barefoot genealogist. 0.80
00:13:08.020 Right.
00:13:10.500 Okay.
00:13:11.080 We are going to take a very quick break here.
00:13:13.340 And when we get back, we're going to find out how Krista got into this line of work in the first place.
00:13:18.200 How does one become the barefoot genealogist?
00:13:26.820 I don't think I can be your friend, Isabella said.
00:13:30.480 Rebecca's stomach flipped.
00:13:32.580 This is the love story of real hinge couple Isabella and Rebecca,
00:13:36.320 written and read by me, Temi Denton-Hurst.
00:13:38.780 Listen to the free audio book now.
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00:14:01.700 And we are back with Krista Cowan, the barefoot genealogist, genealogy influencer extraordinaire.
00:14:11.220 Because as I say all the time, there is an influencer for everything, my friends.
00:14:16.880 I want to know a little bit more about Krista's own recent past.
00:14:20.960 How does one become fascinated by genealogy and then actually turn that into a career?
00:14:28.540 Well, I came by it naturally. I had parents who
00:14:31.700 very much cared about family narrative, like intentionally crafting a family narrative that
00:14:38.580 made sure that certain stories were passed on and that information was delivered to their children
00:14:43.860 at age appropriate times and that we were able to learn from those things. That was a really
00:14:51.760 intentional thing on their part, which I so appreciate. And it's something that I'm really
00:14:56.420 passionate about families doing. I think sometimes we craft narratives in our family that make us
00:15:01.860 victims. We craft narratives in our families that disempower us. And there are so many stories
00:15:08.800 available to us to create and raise resilient, strong, self-assured children that just come
00:15:16.980 from their own stories. The stories that literally are part of them and their very DNA.
00:15:21.900 yes yes and yes i can't and i can't wait for my kids to be old enough i've got a six of four
00:15:27.720 and a one to be able to really tell them these stories but i also haven't shied away from it i
00:15:34.040 took them with me to sicily last summer to solve this murder uh and told them exactly what i was
00:15:39.360 doing and who we were investigating and what we wanted to learn because i think there's power in
00:15:45.680 talking about this woman left alone for 13 years 12 13 years uh we recently discovered she bought
00:15:53.380 her own land i don't know if she was ever planning on coming um but you know there is power and like
00:16:00.300 you said stories of resilience that i think are so important to the generations today especially
00:16:05.660 as i think a lot of us are searching for our own identities amidst the craziness of the world
00:16:11.440 Yeah, and I think there's also, there's resilience to be found. I think there's also just some basic coping skills, right? Like, we're raising this generation that is so susceptible to anxiety and to other mental health challenges. And there's a lot of reasons for that, societal reasons for that. But, you know, Gen Z and Gen Alpha are two generations that measurably have more anxiety than any other previous generation.
00:16:38.680 And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that that we make life comfortable. Like we try so hard to avoid discomfort, to avoid hard things, to avoid consequences sometimes. And when you look to the past and all of its mess and madness, sometimes what you see is that they went through really hard things.
00:16:59.560 and some of them made it out and some of them didn't, but all of them dealt with it in the
00:17:05.440 best way they knew how with the tools that they had available to them. And I think there's something
00:17:09.400 to learn from that. There absolutely is. And I couldn't agree with you more. And little did we
00:17:14.460 know that we would be giving parenting advice. But no, I completely agree. I think, you know,
00:17:20.560 there is something about saying they did hard things. You can do hard things too. I'm not going
00:17:24.660 to shield you from the world which is hard yeah and that it's in you that that is literally like
00:17:30.020 those are the people who made you and and there's something about that too and that is in your
00:17:35.920 literally in your dna where does someone even start if they've got a story in a nugget where
00:17:40.900 do you go from there yeah absolutely so um i started my genealogy career at owning my own
00:17:48.600 genealogy research firm before i came to work for ancestry and i loved that i loved being able to
00:17:54.400 work with families. The challenge was oftentimes they would hand me the research and I would go
00:18:01.160 away and do it and then come back and present it to them. And that wasn't nearly as satisfying as
00:18:06.460 the work that I've found over the course of the last 20 years, which is here at Ancestry, I'm able
00:18:10.900 to guide people on that journey for themselves. And I think just as much as, I think that that
00:18:17.760 process of discovery is an important part of the process. And you've been through this now,
00:18:22.380 so you kind of have a glimpse of that like that is part of the part of the processes is where the
00:18:28.260 power lies so so yeah if you've got a family story the first thing i always tell people to do is just
00:18:34.420 start with a family tree right just sketch out on a piece of paper or you can do it for free on
00:18:39.840 ancestry or there's a million ways just start by sketching out your relationship to this person
00:18:45.940 because for me, when I first heard the stories of Peggy, I had this like vague notion that it was
00:18:52.620 my granny Kerr's family. That's all I knew. But once I fully understood like the past from me to
00:18:58.620 her, there was a tie. There was like a visceral connection. And so the family tree is the best
00:19:05.280 way to start to sketch that out. And you do it with the best of your knowledge, but then you
00:19:11.340 have to talk to your family members and I think again sometimes that's something that in the
00:19:16.120 messiness of families we shy away from sometimes you know you may not have a great relationship
00:19:21.700 with your mom but call her sister or her first cousin or reach out to you know somebody you once
00:19:26.720 met at a family reunion when you were a kid and maybe you can have a more candid conversation with
00:19:31.560 them than with a parent or grandparent who sometimes are protective of their own stories
00:19:37.820 and when people start digging into the family history get a little bit nervous yes I haven't
00:19:44.240 you were describing my exact situation like this is these are all of the things that have happened
00:19:49.720 to me over the past year while I've been digging into this story yeah and it's funny some people
00:19:57.020 are all in and some people are so hesitant and I think part of it has to do with just the way that
00:20:04.220 certain things were viewed in the past. There were so many things that had so much shame attached to
00:20:10.440 them, having a child out of wedlock, getting divorced. I mean, things that we wouldn't even
00:20:15.900 blink at today that just carried so much shame and so much societal pressure. And so, you know,
00:20:24.160 that older generation, when we start talking to those grandparents and great-grandparents,
00:20:28.300 if you're lucky enough to still have one or two of those around. They're often hesitant.
00:20:34.820 There's also a challenge sometimes with immigrant generations. You have immigrants who left the old 1.00
00:20:40.100 country intentionally for whatever reason and wanted to leave it behind. And sometimes even 1.00
00:20:47.100 when they came to the new country, dealt with a lot of shame around their identity and so tried
00:20:53.700 to shed that a little bit. And so when we start digging back into that identity as the grandchildren
00:20:59.220 and great-grandchildren who are removed from that immigrant experience, it becomes a little bit
00:21:05.380 triggering for them if they or their parents had worked so hard to put that behind them.
00:21:12.440 So there's that barrier that comes up as well. I don't know if my family wants me to refute the
00:21:19.200 story that they have believed for so long. And I think that I will end up correcting it. And I
00:21:26.520 don't think they're going to be happy about that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's true. I mean,
00:21:31.820 that's true of stories, kind of the way they get built up in families. It's also true of
00:21:35.720 identities. I mean, the number one complaint, if you will, that we get here at Ancestry
00:21:44.320 is people who take a DNA test and find out they are not Native American, and then they are just
00:21:50.780 convinced that the test is wrong. And there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people,
00:21:55.320 maybe thousands, who they have been raised with these stories of proud Indigenous ancestry,
00:22:02.060 only to discover that it was just a story, that they don't actually have an Indigenous ancestor,
00:22:07.580 but that someone started that story, or someone misunderstood something, or somebody's uncle
00:22:13.060 married an Indigenous woman and the family took on that identity. And it really has become a part
00:22:19.560 of people's identity in a lot of ways. And so sometimes when you start digging into family
00:22:23.620 history, your identity, your perception of your identity shifts. Your identity always was what it
00:22:29.240 was, but your perception of what it was or actually is often is confronted. Yeah. So you start with
00:22:38.020 the family tree. And then how do you start using the records to start building the story?
00:22:44.320 Yeah. So if you're starting here in the U.S. and working your way back, the magic year is 1950.
00:22:51.960 So here in the United States, we take a federal census every 10 years. We've done that since 1790.
00:22:58.180 Those census records, however, are protected by the government for 72 years. So the most recent
00:23:03.800 publicly available federal census in the United States is 1950. It just came out two years ago.
00:23:09.900 Every time there's a census release, it's a party around here. But that's the place you have to
00:23:16.360 start. So you have to get your tree back far enough that you've got someone living in the U.S. 0.98
00:23:21.000 in 1950 in order to dive into those particular records. And those census records are so rich
00:23:27.800 in information and story. And as you start to string them together back to 1940, 1930,
00:23:33.800 You start to get these snapshots every 10 years of the economic condition, of the family
00:23:40.140 relationships, of the housing situation, of the occupations, like this really kind of
00:23:45.980 lovely story starts to emerge.
00:23:48.280 And it's also where you start to find some of the mysteries and the questions, which
00:23:53.800 is fun.
00:23:55.100 But that census is where I always encourage people to start in the records because it
00:24:00.100 builds a really good framework for building out and discovering the rest of the story.
00:24:05.700 And then from census records, where do you go from there? What is the next level?
00:24:10.380 Yeah, so then the next level is what we call vital records. So that would be birth, marriage,
00:24:13.900 and death records. If the person died here in this country, oftentimes that death record
00:24:19.700 or an obituary connected to that will give you details about that particular town in Italy or
00:24:25.480 ireland or germany where they came from and that you need that information because a lot of those
00:24:32.420 other countries unlike the united states don't have national coverage of records you have to
00:24:38.040 know where in the country they came from so you can dig more into local records once you've crossed
00:24:42.900 the pond and so having that name of the place is a really important part of that process and
00:24:49.720 sometimes you get lucky with those death records or with the birth record of a child for example
00:24:54.660 would list maybe the birthplaces of the parents. So those are vital records for a reason.
00:25:02.080 And again, what you're going to see is just those snapshots. So you'll know kind of when the
00:25:05.320 children age out of the home so that you've got a range of time to look for marriage records for
00:25:09.680 those children. You'll know where they're living. Another really important record set
00:25:13.840 here in the United States for making those connections in the old country is naturalization
00:25:19.780 records. So when somebody became a citizen, it would be noted on the census if they chose to
00:25:26.360 become a citizen or not. And if they did, that naturalization paperwork is so rich in detail.
00:25:32.680 They had to file first papers, a declaration of intent to become a citizen. They had to list the
00:25:37.460 names and birth dates of all of their family members and where they came from. They needed
00:25:41.700 to list the ship they came over on and the date and the port. And then a few years later, they
00:25:47.360 could actually petition for naturalization. And then you've got that paperwork, sometimes with a
00:25:52.000 photo attached. So that naturalization paperwork is a big link and a big part of the story to see
00:25:59.720 how they chose to, you know, make themselves a permanent citizen of this country or not.
00:26:06.500 We are going to take one more quick break here. And when we get back, there's a question that
00:26:10.480 I've been dying to have answered ever since I started this research. And it's about women.
00:26:16.040 it's about us. And it's about how our stories get lost and just how important it is for all of us
00:26:23.340 to write down and share those stories so that we're the ones writing history.
00:26:46.040 into the free audiobook now. And we're back. So much of women's history gets erased because
00:27:02.120 for a long time, it's been men writing history. It's been men writing history books. It's been 0.81
00:27:09.400 men deciding which stories will get passed down through families. And when it came to my own
00:27:15.680 great-great-grandmother's murder, we didn't know very much. In fact, most of my relatives didn't
00:27:21.740 even know her name. They just knew that she was our family matriarch, and that she was murdered, 0.95
00:27:29.020 probably in a terrible way. There was no information celebrating her actual life,
00:27:35.500 celebrating the fact that she had lived for 50 years, that she had had seven children. 0.96
00:27:41.700 we didn't know anything about what she was like and there's just so many women like her
00:27:47.500 so many women whose stories we're never gonna know is there a particular difficulty in finding
00:27:55.740 records and tracing stories of women's lives because it has not always been women who are
00:28:02.200 writing history or who are the important actors in official documents yeah that's a great question
00:28:09.760 um you're in a unique position because you're researching italian families and one of the
00:28:17.180 benefits of italian families over many other cultures is that most often the women retain
00:28:22.840 their own surname so you'll see that in the records you'll see that in the passenger list
00:28:27.700 when they're immigrating um sometimes they often even chose to naturalize themselves here in the
00:28:33.860 United States prior to 1922, a woman derived her citizenship from her husband, which meant if she
00:28:40.460 married a U.S. citizen, she gained automatic citizenship. If he became a citizenship, she was
00:28:45.460 grandfathered in under him. If she was born in the U.S. and was a citizen and married a non-citizen,
00:28:52.740 she lost her citizenship. So there's like this really messy part of history where women were 0.95
00:28:58.380 not included in the records and records were not created about them. But one of the things we see
00:29:03.260 about the Italian women is that even prior to 1922, they wanted their own documentation. 0.74
00:29:08.960 And so we see that happen. But in most other cultures, you know, when we see immigrants from
00:29:16.600 Germany, from England, from Ireland, and then some of the way that the women are not recorded
00:29:23.640 in records in Canada and the United States, they do lose their identity. They lose their identity
00:29:29.060 first because they get married and often take on their husband's surname. And if you're tracing
00:29:35.140 your way back in history, unless one of those children specifically lists that in a birth or
00:29:41.720 marriage or death record, their mother's maiden name, it can be really difficult to find her
00:29:46.660 identity and connect her to her family of origin. And then property laws. I mean, property laws in
00:29:52.560 the United States right up through the 1970s often meant that women couldn't have their own bank 1.00
00:29:57.520 account. They couldn't own property without a man co-signing. And if there was an inheritance 1.00
00:30:03.360 to be had, oftentimes that got passed on to her children or to a brother before it got passed on
00:30:09.380 to her. And so, yeah, there is a dearth of identifiers of women in records for much of
00:30:16.320 history. I now feel like I am a part of this ever-expanding family tree that now could really
00:30:24.600 go on for quite some time uh i was tracing the ancestors of my great-grandfather santo piazza
00:30:33.140 lorenza's son but she had seven children so these are six other branches and rabbit holes that i can
00:30:42.060 go down i mean do you find that people who are using ancestry it's it's just never ending
00:30:48.400 Yeah, it's interesting. And when you think about it, we're called Ancestry because most people want to climb up the family tree, right? They're looking for the ancestors, your parents, your grandparents, your great-grandparents.
00:31:02.420 But then back in 2012, when autosomal DNA kind of burst on the scene and Ancestry started selling those kits and that became this huge part of our business, what we were doing was we were connecting living people who share a common ancestor.
00:31:19.180 So people started climbing back down the family trees looking for those descendants, right?
00:31:24.820 And so, yeah, when you have families, particularly Irish or Italian Catholic families who have large numbers of children, or even my mother's Southern Baptist families from Arkansas, like, you end up with so many people.
00:31:38.840 I think my dad and I counted once.
00:31:40.520 I think my grandmother has 98 first cousins.
00:31:45.060 Wow.
00:31:46.360 I have nine.
00:31:47.820 That's all.
00:31:48.560 Seven on one side, two on the other.
00:31:50.320 Like, that's it.
00:31:51.340 My grandmother had 98 first cousins.
00:31:53.980 And the further back you go, the more that number just exponentially grows. And so you have to kind of decide how you want to approach family history. And I think there's times and seasons for different things.
00:32:08.440 I am currently in the middle of a descendancy project where I have identified a set of ancestors of mine and I am tracing all of their descendants.
00:32:18.880 The curiosity to see how a single couple and the choices that they made as part of their American frontier expansion West has affected the story of America is fascinating to all.
00:32:35.640 and when you start looking at the exponential number of descendants and where they've all
00:32:40.260 ended up in the world and the threads of commonality that we have even four or five
00:32:45.440 six generations later and also the vast differences it's fast it's just i find it fascinating it's
00:32:53.740 fascinating i can hear this love in your voice and this passion in your voice i could talk to
00:32:57.700 you all day long krista there's a reason you're the barefoot genealogist there is i do love what
00:33:04.200 I do. And I also just wish more people could catch the vision because, you know, as we started this
00:33:11.240 conversation, we talked about the life-changing effects of family history. And I don't think
00:33:15.700 it's just about us and how it affects us and how we change. But I also think there is healing to
00:33:21.800 be found as we make those connections. People crave connection in the world today. And making
00:33:27.660 those connections offers that. It offers perspective. It offers, I think, hope for the
00:33:33.200 future as we can kind of just reconnect in some ways over some of those things. Because we tend
00:33:39.960 to think in terms when we're doing family history research of families, but really it's networks of
00:33:45.100 communities and tangential family relationships. And that holistic view gives you a clearer picture
00:33:52.460 of who they were. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. What is it like being a genealogy influencer?
00:33:58.320 Are people constantly coming to you with questions?
00:34:02.100 And is that overwhelming?
00:34:04.800 Yes and yes.
00:34:06.200 That's the simple answer.
00:34:08.280 But I love it.
00:34:10.380 Like that is my passion in life is to help people understand the power of family history
00:34:16.400 to change lives.
00:34:18.760 And any way that I can convey that is energy giving, not energy depleting.
00:34:25.860 And so, so yes, I'm constantly bombarded and I do have to make sometimes hard decisions. And sometimes I don't get back to people as quickly as they would like me to. And some people get snippy with me and I feel terrible about that. But I do know that I'm in a space and have the influence to help people in a way that has the power to change their lives.
00:34:48.540 You know, I, it's funny because my dad has such negative opinions of influencers and he called me back the other day and I had to laugh because, you know, I'm not selling yoga pants or Stanley cups to people on Instagram.
00:35:04.560 yeah right um i'm i'm hoping that what i am opening their eyes to and their hearts to is
00:35:14.800 the idea that there's an entire world full of people that they could be connected to
00:35:20.180 some in very real ways and that there's an entire history um ancestry helped produce a tv show years
00:35:29.500 ago called who do you think you are and at the end of one of those episodes it was the it was
00:35:34.360 the episode with tom bergeron he says this thing that just rings in my ears constantly he said
00:35:40.640 someone who lived 300 years ago if you're willing to listen could teach you something about the life
00:35:47.660 you're living today and and that like that's what i want people to know is that there's such a vast
00:35:56.500 opportunity to learn from the past in ways that will inform and direct our present and help us
00:36:04.860 all together make the future even better. We're going to end on that. Drop the mic, Krista.
00:36:12.020 I mean, I don't always get an ending as good as that, but yeah, fuck yeah. We are going to find 0.99
00:36:20.660 ways to direct our present and help all of us together make the future even better. Yeah, we are.
00:36:29.320 Mm-hmm. You can learn more about Krista at KristaCowan.com or follow her on the Instagrams
00:36:37.060 at KristaCowan. I love telling women's stories. I love talking about women's stories. 0.53
00:36:44.780 I genuinely love what Krista does, and I do think that stories about our past shape our identities today.
00:36:52.540 They do.
00:36:54.240 Thinking about Lorenza, thinking about her raising seven children and then sending them across an ocean,
00:37:01.580 not knowing if she was ever going to see them again.
00:37:05.200 And frankly, she didn't see them ever again.
00:37:08.560 it makes me think a lot about my own life as a mother how i mother and how i prepare my own
00:37:17.260 children to go out and face the world thank you so much for being here with me today if you love
00:37:23.980 this podcast tell a friend leave us a review in all of the review places and also please listen
00:37:30.220 to the sicilian inheritance true crime podcast where i try to solve lorenza's actual murder
00:37:36.960 but more than that, where I try to find out more about her life.
00:37:41.220 I like to say that I start both the Sicilian Inheritance book,
00:37:46.200 the book of the summer,
00:37:47.920 and the podcast, The Sicilian Inheritance,
00:37:50.620 with a dead body, the dead body of a woman,
00:37:54.340 which we all know that our culture is completely obsessed with.
00:37:57.900 But, but, neither of them end with one.
00:38:01.820 And that's not a spoiler. It's not.
00:38:04.400 Go have a great day.
00:38:05.560 tell one of your friends that they're doing amazing and then go do something nice for yourself
00:38:09.680 because you deserve it and it is mom week we are getting a whole week this year 0.99
00:38:14.400 i mean fuck i want a whole month 0.99
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