Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - December 23, 2025


How to Travel with Kids

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00:00:50.700 Hey, all. Joe here and you are listening to Under the Influence.
00:00:55.180 I get asked a lot of questions about how I travel with my kids.
00:00:59.360 That's because I talk about it a lot and post about it a lot,
00:01:02.320 but I also think it's because traveling with kids can feel really daunting,
00:01:07.260 especially when you're doing it for the first couple of times.
00:01:10.440 Traveling with kids is not a vacation.
00:01:12.560 It is work. It is labor.
00:01:15.420 And it is incredibly rewarding and wonderful,
00:01:17.880 and it is something that our family truly cherishes,
00:01:20.820 but it's definitely not a break.
00:01:22.820 When I first started traveling with my babies,
00:01:24.340 and Charlie was a baby baby. I took him to Sicily with Nick. We did a road trip when he was just
00:01:29.960 three months old. So he was still kind of a lumpy baby, which means you can carry them
00:01:34.620 anywhere. They can sleep on you anywhere. And I was still really, really nervous.
00:01:41.040 We've taken all three of them on solo trips when they were still lumpy babies. And now we travel
00:01:46.240 with the three of them together a lot. We just got back from London, which was actually a massive
00:01:51.600 blast. There was drama, to be sure. Bea totally puked all over an Uber that was in traffic,
00:01:59.240 and then we got out, and she's like, you know, I want some sushi. Can we get some sushi?
00:02:03.600 The thing is, when you're traveling with kids, even the worst moments are definitely going to
00:02:07.240 become your most hilarious stories down the road. Today, I'm bringing on a woman that I consider
00:02:12.400 my family travel guru and mentor. Regan Stevens is a longtime travel and food journalist. She's
00:02:20.080 founder of the travel guides Saltet, which are absolutely amazing, and all of our listeners
00:02:25.460 can get a free Saltet download. I'll put the code in show notes. She's a mom of three girls and a
00:02:31.560 world traveler. She travels with her kids for about a month every single summer, and then also a ton 0.93
00:02:36.420 of times during the year. I take all of her travel tips to heart, and she's just the best. So I'm very
00:02:41.860 excited to have her on today to talk all about traveling with kids.
00:02:50.080 I brought you on today because you are my traveling with kids role model.
00:02:56.940 I don't know if you know that.
00:02:58.820 I did not know that because you do.
00:03:00.260 You seem to be doing just fine on your own with three children.
00:03:03.600 Well, you know, that's the magic of Instagram.
00:03:05.940 You know, everything looks great.
00:03:07.460 Everything looks great on social media.
00:03:08.640 And I'm doing fine.
00:03:09.480 I'm doing fine.
00:03:10.200 But you you've laid the groundwork for me.
00:03:13.240 You're also a travel journalist.
00:03:14.940 You're still an active travel journalist.
00:03:16.640 And your girls are a little older.
00:03:18.800 So watching you from the very beginning of our friendship travel with those three girls has been so inspiring to me that I'm like, I can do this.
00:03:28.220 That's incredibly kind of you.
00:03:29.460 Again, you already mentioned it, but the magic of Instagram.
00:03:32.920 You know, somebody wrote a piece a few years ago that I think about all the time about how when you're in the middle of traveling, especially with your kids and everything's going wrong.
00:03:41.100 And you're like, this is miserable.
00:03:42.600 Why would we ever leave the house? 0.98
00:03:44.560 And then something funny happens to your brain.
00:03:46.520 And I'm curious if this happens to you, too, but you get home and like two weeks later and all you can think about is every great moment that you had throughout the five days or the 10 days or whatever it was.
00:03:56.640 And it's a it's like a trick that your brain plays on you that you're like, that was the best vacation we've ever had, even if there were like seven times in the first day that each person had a meltdown in a row.
00:04:08.900 That exact thing happens to me. And it's similar to, I think, how we black out birth so that we do birth again.
00:04:18.720 It keeps the human race moving.
00:04:20.700 It keeps the human race procreating. Exactly. Exactly. 0.68
00:04:25.200 Yes, we I almost, you know, I either universally forget the bad crap or it turns into a hilarious story.
00:04:33.620 Hilarious story every time, which is honestly, I mean, you know, you and I talk about this a lot.
00:04:38.900 it's the reason that we do this. I mean, obviously you were a traveler and a travel writer and travel
00:04:45.580 editor before you had kids. Usually when that happens, you know that you're not going to stop
00:04:50.920 traveling. But there is really, even if you think you're prepared for it, there really is a moment
00:04:56.880 where you're like, oh, this is so different than what it was before. We could wake up when we
00:05:01.520 wanted to. We could pack in 17 different sites that we're seeing. We could stop and have a
00:05:07.120 three-hour leisurely lunch whatever your travel style is and of course that's not how it goes
00:05:11.860 when you have kids and so you know you're looking at things in uh you're starting to do things in a
00:05:18.160 whole new way and even the the moments of every single trip which inevitably happen even now that
00:05:25.340 my kids are a little bit older happen every day of the trip they definitely turn into to funnier
00:05:29.900 moments that we still make fun of each other about we have like shared memories shared you
00:05:35.020 know vocabulary like the things that have happened that just like I think especially having girls
00:05:41.240 not to be this person but like you know girls in middle school are so mean this is a random part
00:05:46.420 but I think about this a lot and I wonder if you've thought about this when you're away with
00:05:50.060 your family you are there's no embarrassment they're not embarrassed to you know there's no
00:05:56.780 like these are people who they've never seen before and they're never going to see again
00:06:02.660 And you're in a completely different – all of you are fish out of water together.
00:06:06.880 And that's sort of like bonding for you.
00:06:08.580 But it's also freedom for my teenagers, you know.
00:06:12.460 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:13.480 No, I mean, I'm not there yet, but I can see that.
00:06:16.080 I see exactly how that's going to be.
00:06:19.060 I want to get into what it's like to travel with big kids because I get asked a lot why I travel with my kids when they're so little and they won't remember it.
00:06:28.620 And I know that you get asked that too.
00:06:30.860 My friend Jordi Lidby, who you know, asked me that for a Wall Street Journal story.
00:06:36.340 My answer was that we're building a collective family story and that, you know, they will—Charlie remembered Italy and Bea and Eliza didn't, but they see the pictures.
00:06:52.080 And so we're building this collective family story of how we did this, number one.
00:06:56.620 And so they will remember through what we tell them.
00:06:58.960 But number two, I'm just trying to teach them to be one, good travelers and two, good citizens of the world.
00:07:06.640 And I don't think that you can do that early enough.
00:07:10.860 Agreed. Fully agreed on everything you just said.
00:07:14.120 It's always such a silly question to me.
00:07:16.920 Why do you take your kids with, I mean, I understand why people ask it.
00:07:21.340 It can be very expensive.
00:07:22.660 um it's it's obviously extreme it's a lot easier to stay in our house in Philadelphia and go
00:07:29.000 nowhere um especially when the kids were really little but if you like to travel um you're going
00:07:35.800 to keep doing it after you have kids and I think the biggest thing to me is um even when Benny I
00:07:41.380 mean I think we took her abroad when she was about two and a half and I it was just her at the time
00:07:47.240 And I like she obviously doesn't have vivid memories of that trip, but she certainly sees the pictures.
00:07:54.400 And we have all these funny stories that we tell her.
00:07:56.780 That's part of her identity, you know, where she like played in a fountain or dumped an entire bowl of pasta on the floor and, you know, or was held by the people.
00:08:05.460 I know Charlie. I believe it was Charlie, right, who was held by one of the Italian grandmothers at the restaurant.
00:08:10.900 By one of. Oh, no, by one of the Nonas. 0.97
00:08:12.740 He was babysat by a random Nona on an island off the coast of Sicily. 0.93
00:08:16.100 Yeah. Yes. And he that's part of his identity. Even if he doesn't remember it, he tells us, you know, he tells this story. He tells the story. Exactly. And so that's a big thing. I mean, obviously, it's changed. And now my kids do remember these things and have points of collective memories. 0.92
00:08:34.720 we have is the biggest thing to me is building these collective memories as a family um but but
00:08:39.700 as benny our oldest daughter got a little bit older i you know not that she's i mean i would
00:08:46.060 let her tell you i i um i'm protesting too much i don't think she's super embarrassed of us
00:08:51.300 on the regular but i think just like any kid when you're awkwardly at age 12 13
00:08:57.120 maybe you remember being that age it was oh god i was just i hate it i hated my body i hated myself 0.92
00:09:02.540 I hated my parents I hated the world yeah okay races skin all of it all of it gross but all of 0.99
00:09:09.980 a sudden you're somewhere else and it's not as like um pronounced I think it's not as like intense 1.00
00:09:16.060 to be somewhere else be who you are somewhere else you because you can kind of be anyone you
00:09:21.680 know like you you're and so even at 12 or 13 years old I sort of watched her um feel almost like be
00:09:30.920 more like childlike you know she wasn't embarrassed to sort of like play card games with us be goofy
00:09:36.520 with us and um that was such a gift to just be able to sort of like have that um those moments
00:09:42.720 when we're traveling um you know she's 14 now and and has things have sort of like settled from the
00:09:48.680 super awkward time but um anyway i i yeah i mean there's definitely there are definitely ways to
00:09:54.540 make this easier too and and and i think you probably you know we talked a little bit about
00:09:59.960 like tips for traveling with kids i think you know all of them already um i continue with
00:10:06.580 oh no i mean look i don't know all of anything already i know i know some stuff and oh my gosh
00:10:14.020 i found the cutest uh little wall hanging in camden market in london for the pop-up book
00:10:20.840 trailer that just says i read books and know things why does it feel like something b would
00:10:27.380 say. Well, the thing is, like, she saw it and she's like, what's that say? And I'm like, oh,
00:10:31.520 you clearly gravitated towards this, my young friend. Yeah, exactly. I read books and I know
00:10:38.180 things. So I know some things. I don't know others. I will say that I take a lot of advice
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00:11:09.500 Take a quick break. And when we get back, let's talk about tips.
00:11:20.720 and we're back so tell me some of your tips and let's break it up let's start with when
00:11:29.600 you're traveling with youngers so we're gonna go below eight and then we'll go above eight
00:11:33.900 so one of the first things um and again you are the same you and nick met while you were traveling
00:11:42.380 on the galapagos like um as everyone does the way normal people do everyone as every meet cute
00:11:48.900 happens every great meet cute um so obviously oh wait speaking of speaking of meet cutes i mean
00:11:54.300 because i can't help a tangent i watched the holiday on my last flight um have you never
00:11:59.400 seen that before i haven't seen it in 20 years were you confused as to why jack black was a love
00:12:04.460 interest um you know he's cuter than you think he's gonna be he's cuter than you think he's gonna
00:12:09.820 be and um in terms of charming and funny he has jude law so hard beat but jude law in that is so
00:12:18.400 freaking handsome that it is painful to look at his face he's otherworldly like you genuinely are
00:12:25.380 like who created you in what lab yes like you i'm it made me want to go back and re-watch talent and
00:12:31.520 mr ripley actually which i might do that's his peak it's his that's his pure peak pure peak um
00:12:37.020 but i mentioned that because that was the moment meet cute came into our lexicon and i'd forgotten
00:12:41.340 that oh you're kidding me i didn't know that that it it is i mean it is a thing that existed but the
00:12:47.980 holiday made totally normalized it and made it something people say I love learning new things
00:12:54.300 I know I know I love it I know I read books and I know things okay so yeah tell me your tips
00:12:59.760 so the first thing that I would say is after you you know because you two have been used to
00:13:05.840 traveling a certain way even with I guess small infants you can kind of keep that clip up in some
00:13:11.840 ways you know like you're stopping for like diapering and feeding and but like they really
00:13:16.640 are just kind of coming along with you like a little sack of potatoes they really are they're
00:13:20.120 lumps we call them lumps yeah a little lump it's like having an extra perion sort of that eats and
00:13:27.080 also poops but there there sort of came a time in the collective family travel like adding when they
00:13:34.960 get a little bit older and they're you're adding a second or a third um or more and it we realized
00:13:41.720 that we had to um shave things down like what's the and so we have like an anchor thing an anchor
00:13:47.860 activity every day maybe it's two things you know depending on how big but like after taking my kids
00:13:54.020 to the Louvre we're not doing anything else we're not going then to see Notre Dame Cathedral we you
00:13:59.280 know we have to where you're doing one thing in the day um and so um it just feels sort of like
00:14:06.440 a recipe for disaster if you're asked. And I get it. I very much understand the desire,
00:14:13.640 like the compulsion to put in as many things. You know, traveling costs a lot of money.
00:14:18.580 You're taking time off of work. You're all together. This is a lot of planning. You want
00:14:23.560 to make sure you get sort of like hit every single thing. But I don't know, something,
00:14:27.140 we had to shift our sort of view about what this was. Is it going to tick off every box of Paris?
00:14:36.960 Am I sort of like, is it important for my, you know, eight-year-old to see every single thing there is?
00:14:42.700 Hopefully, God willing, she gets back there someday and gets to explore other things on her own just like I did.
00:14:48.860 But for now, if we're like really optimizing for having the best possible vacation, it's one major thing a day.
00:14:56.600 And then filling in the blanks with like the smaller things and honestly the eating, which is a huge part of the Stevens family travel schedule.
00:15:05.640 We are also a family that travels for food.
00:15:09.820 Yes.
00:15:11.180 Honestly, I can't even put myself in the position of not being that person.
00:15:14.860 I tried to while I was preparing for this.
00:15:16.940 Food is not going to be the most important thing to everybody.
00:15:20.300 But it's just so integral to our travel and also just, I think, experiencing a culture in every single way.
00:15:28.080 From their bakeries and their coffee culture to their, you know, pre-dinner drinks to their, you know, big lunches to their street food.
00:15:36.180 Every single thing.
00:15:37.380 For the Anchor activity, like, you know, you have these sort of fantasies or maybe I do about bringing your kids places.
00:15:44.700 And one of the things, one of the big things is like, you know, seeing things through their eyes, you know.
00:15:48.900 So even things that we've already seen before were like, I'm so excited to show my kids Michelangelo.
00:15:53.200 Like, I remember walking in to that museum in Florence and seeing that statue for the first time, that sculpture, and just, like, my jaw dropping and feeling, like, tingly all over.
00:16:03.620 And I just couldn't believe someone made this with their hands.
00:16:06.680 And, you know, side note, Sloane walked into the very busy, where the man is shushing everybody because you're in the presence of greatness. 0.99
00:16:14.700 And she just, like, points at it and says, penis. 0.99
00:16:16.700 I was just going to say, I'm like, my kids, in the presence of such beauty, would be like, would just start giggling and say penis. 0.99
00:16:24.160 That is what they would do. 1.00
00:16:26.120 There is his junk. 0.95
00:16:27.980 But, I mean, they're not, look, as much as I loved that moment of being like, guys, look at this majesty. 0.93
00:16:34.720 They're remembering, the things that they remember that they still talk about are filling up the water bottles around Rome using the fountain.
00:16:41.800 Oh, my God. Yes. My kids love that. Yes.
00:16:43.800 Riding the Metro.
00:16:44.480 yes playing with the local kids at the playground even though they don't speak the same language
00:16:50.580 like that's those are the things that are imprinted on their memories and to sort of like try to make
00:16:55.580 it anything else is just trying to sort of like make fetch happen like it's like it's exactly
00:17:01.400 like trying to make i hope you get that reference listeners um i'm a cool mom please cut that um
00:17:08.300 i'm not i won't actually it's not a thing i'm gonna do for you yeah oh so i want to know about
00:17:17.440 how you handle this but one other major thing that we do is everybody gets one activity on
00:17:22.120 the trip and when they're really little we were it would be like a or b we'd be like do you want
00:17:26.820 to go to this or this so they felt like some buy-in and purchase these days it is such a
00:17:32.000 beautiful thing joe my kids pick their activities um and not only like are they usually cool things
00:17:38.140 But there are things that I maybe wouldn't have put on the top of my to-do list.
00:17:42.580 Benny loves to thrift shop.
00:17:44.420 So she will go and do, you know, vet all of the thrift shops, you know, plot out a crawl
00:17:51.600 so that we're thrift shopping in the Marais in Paris or, you know, somewhere in Rome.
00:17:55.900 I've gotten barber jackets for 20 bucks, linen, Armani pants, silk blouses, like new wardrobe
00:18:03.460 pieces.
00:18:03.920 I mean, my kids also have awesome clothes, sweatshirts and T-shirts from like, you know, Madrid and places that like, you know, some coach of hers the other day was like, oh, where'd you get that shirt?
00:18:16.740 She's like thrift shopping in Paris.
00:18:20.500 And, you know, like I think it's it's so it's such a cool, cheap souvenir for them.
00:18:25.380 But anyway, I would have never picked – that would have not been the top of my list.
00:18:29.180 But having something that she loved doing made her excited to be there.
00:18:34.400 They loved – they picked the Tivoli Gardens in Copenhagen.
00:18:38.260 I mean, maybe we would have gone there, but I don't know that I would have paid all the money to go to an amusement park in a different place.
00:18:43.680 It's not, like, usually my favorite thing to do. 0.81
00:18:45.980 And it was goddamn delightful. 0.74
00:18:48.060 The whimsy of that place is off the charts, and I'm so glad we went. 0.97
00:18:51.320 And they freaking loved it.
00:18:53.200 And they loved it.
00:18:54.120 And they loved it.
00:18:54.660 Do your kids pick things?
00:18:56.620 They do.
00:18:57.180 So I will tell you, well, one, when you guys are going to come over on Sunday,
00:19:01.680 remind me because I'll forget because my brain is a wet noodle.
00:19:05.240 But I have to show Benny all the stuff that I thrifted from Camden Market in London
00:19:09.960 because we bought a lot of really great stuff.
00:19:14.280 A lot of denim, actually.
00:19:15.380 And plus some cream vintage Doc Martin boots.
00:19:19.040 i remember days going to the flea market in rome looking for vintage doc martens that would fit her
00:19:26.720 and like what a score that's like a forever piece that's a forever score for the whole family you're
00:19:32.060 the one that turned me on to humana vintage in rome which is perfect we've been to them all over
00:19:36.720 the place and it's the best vintage shop i've gotten it's the best vintage shop my kids my
00:19:41.540 kids have been thrown out of there they've been thrown out yeah yeah they've been asked to leave
00:19:45.860 nicely um telling them they're like you are thrown out because they they started hiding in racks
00:19:52.480 yeah and then popping out and frightening people the store was correct the store was
00:19:58.780 not wrong both of those recommendations are things that i've already taken from you
00:20:02.640 and i say it all the time i'm like one big thing a day one big thing a day because you and i are
00:20:07.420 similar kinds of travelers right where like we try to do freaking everything in one trip and
00:20:12.400 you have to manage that yes you just have to like let go of that like task master checking the boxes
00:20:19.940 not that obviously you weren't that kind of traveler before but you just have it you are
00:20:25.440 able to have a different itinerary you have different stamina you know the sooner i was
00:20:30.280 i wrapped my brain around the slower pace the the happier we all were um and to that end i was
00:20:38.000 going to say and again i've already said snacks food eating is a big part of our of our whole
00:20:43.480 itinerary usually it's like the one thing maybe two things depending and then like i always find
00:20:49.020 i fill in you know the food places around um and i mean you know obviously it feels obvious to me
00:20:55.880 but like some of our most memorable moments are sitting on the steps of like a fountain or um
00:21:04.540 You know, wherever in Rome, eating a Trappesino sandwich, arancini, gelato three times a day there, specifically if you're in Rome.
00:21:14.520 I mean, I'm happy to have ice cream anytime, but gelato, the ingredients are so good.
00:21:18.680 And it's it's basically like an Erewhon smoothie.
00:21:23.040 So you can feel good about just feeding your kids that it makes them happy.
00:21:27.220 It powers them through. I don't care. It's vacation. It's not a rule in your life.
00:21:31.380 um and yeah and also the the afternoon like sitting down for like cappuccino or a spritz in
00:21:39.140 the afternoon we always bring um and again my kids are now at the age they're not that old like
00:21:44.040 8 10 and 14 but we always bring um card games so we have monopoly deal which is like a 15 minute
00:21:49.920 game uno and even um don't judge me but cards against humanity the family version it is so
00:21:56.600 easy to play there's no learning curve and it's goddamn delightful and um yes I mean are there
00:22:03.260 are there moments where I'm like I don't think my kids needed to know that particular word or
00:22:09.880 but it is family so it's not as intense as the real one and it's just it's also something that
00:22:15.980 you can play around and it takes two minutes and then you can be done but having a card game and
00:22:20.820 ordering some like olives and lemon soda for my kids while we're having a spritz is like and like
00:22:26.820 actually talking to them and playing a game with them it's it's like some of my best memories from
00:22:31.720 our trips yeah same this is actually something that i also took from you to always have an
00:22:37.840 activity because and this is very important to me and i do it even in philadelphia we we were at
00:22:42.240 frankie's summer club recently and i brought the bananagrams and then the kids bananagrammed up
00:22:47.200 and because I want to model not being on phones at restaurants.
00:22:52.700 A hundred percent.
00:22:53.420 I don't want my kids to see us on the phone.
00:22:55.760 I don't want to be compelled to do it myself.
00:22:57.680 And also, you know, I feel like this is going to sound sanctimonious.
00:23:02.120 I really don't mean it to be.
00:23:03.340 But so many times so much ink is spilled about, you know, how do you keep your kids entertained?
00:23:10.080 And obviously, again, my kids are like a little bit older.
00:23:12.940 But even I would say for like the last three or four years, it was literally just about talking to them, like not trying to have them at the meal and just have a date with my husband while they were still sitting there.
00:23:24.540 You know, like it was let's draw what we think our dinner is going to look like.
00:23:28.580 Let's talk about what has been your favorite thing so far today.
00:23:31.480 What was the worst moment of the day today?
00:23:33.180 Like, because that's sort of like, especially on vacation, I think like it's making those memories that are, you know, again, my kids aren't remembering right now.
00:23:44.280 They're not like they're at least not talking about the Coliseum.
00:23:47.320 They're not talking about, you know, our our like Mad Dash tour through the Vatican museums with eight billion pieces of artwork.
00:23:55.480 They're talking about the whipped cream bowl that was at the bakery that we used to go to every morning.
00:24:00.540 You know, like they're talking about playing cards against humanity and eating olives at a Peritivo spot, you know.
00:24:07.880 So, well, that was actually another thing I was going to tell you that I think I'm curious how you feel about this.
00:24:13.460 But I it's this is a newer thing that we've been doing and it's trying to become a regular somewhere.
00:24:20.080 Yes. Yes. I love that.
00:24:22.140 We're sort of programmed in the Instagram creator age.
00:24:26.020 Like you hit all the places.
00:24:29.460 Make sure to go to places that are like the viral places, the places that we saw on this person's Instagram.
00:24:34.360 We can't waste meals or snacks or whatever it is going to the same place over and over again because there are too many places to try.
00:24:41.840 And that's true.
00:24:44.040 I mean, obviously, you want to get to as many places.
00:24:45.780 You want to experience the place to its fullest.
00:24:48.080 But when we travel, even if it's like the coffee shop that's next to our Airbnb or, you know, this aperitivo place that I mentioned in Rome, there's something that happens the second time you come into a place for the relationship that you have with the purveyors, you know, the shopkeepers, where there's even like the most, I've noticed even the most brusque people will sort of soften a little bit when they see you because they're so delighted that you're coming back to their place.
00:25:17.020 especially places that are like oversaturated with tourists who are checking off the boxes of
00:25:21.980 Instagram um and so there have been a few moments um there was this spot that we went to in Rome
00:25:28.080 that was actually in Katie Parla's Saltette guide that she called the best people watching in Rome
00:25:32.980 and it was just around the corner from our place and we would go every night at you know once we
00:25:38.880 got back four o'clock five o'clock whatever it was sit down and it was packed every night and I
00:25:43.740 remember the second or third time we came, the waitress looked at me and there was a table that
00:25:49.120 they reserved for what they called ibruti, which is the ugly ones. And it was their regulars that 0.99
00:25:54.820 would come in, these like group of old men. And maybe they came in at seven o'clock or eight 1.00
00:25:58.600 o'clock every night. Well, she let us sit there because we had come the night before, the night
00:26:03.420 before that. And they were, you know, attentive and kind. And like, I, the takeaway for me, you
00:26:11.240 You know, not only is that like we're having this sort of like nice moment with locals, but also like what I have remembered another another aperitivo spot where my kids remember that, especially do they remember that they they shoot everybody away and put us at this table and we're, you know, and also like they they have more of like a deeper memory of this of this spot, you know, that we can that we can all remember instead of everything bleeding together.
00:26:35.820 Like, it was this one bakery that had the, you know, or a coffee shop where we stood at the counter and drank our, you know, morning hot chocolate and cappuccino.
00:26:43.760 And they would give the kids lollipops because we came more than one time.
00:26:47.920 Because you came more than one time.
00:26:49.060 I love that.
00:26:50.060 And it's funny because after we were in London, Nick was like, let's go to London every Thanksgiving.
00:26:56.500 And I'm like, don't we want to go somewhere new?
00:26:57.600 And he's like, I don't know.
00:26:58.380 Wouldn't it be nice if the kids got to know London?
00:27:01.700 And I'm like, you know, maybe it would be.
00:27:04.760 I just feel.
00:27:05.640 Right?
00:27:06.180 Yeah, because it's so nice.
00:27:07.380 It's nice during the holiday season.
00:27:08.640 Yes. 0.98
00:27:09.440 And also, flying to London during Thanksgiving is cheap because Americans are all flying in America. 0.99
00:27:14.540 So, I mean, that's part of the reason we went. 0.98
00:27:16.260 We were able to completely maximize our air travel budget by going to London instead of flying to Milwaukee.
00:27:26.160 And so, yeah, I like the idea of them remembering a place and having warm, fuzzy memories about a single place.
00:27:33.320 That's so lovely.
00:27:34.980 Yet to have that connection to a place is like priceless.
00:27:38.820 To give your kids that, it's also not that, you know, relatively not that far.
00:27:43.240 It's, you know, it's like, to me, that's like traveling and Thanksgiving, you guys like figured out the travel hack.
00:27:50.440 Like that's like the, that's the move.
00:27:52.520 And I love that.
00:27:53.160 I love the idea of going back.
00:27:54.300 Yes, of course, there's a billion places that you could go.
00:27:56.800 But to have that familiarity too also makes your kids feel like confident.
00:28:02.400 Like, I didn't leave the country for an extended period of time until I was 20 years old, you know.
00:28:07.840 Oh, no, same, same, same.
00:28:08.820 I didn't either.
00:28:09.620 Have your kids be able to go back to that place and think, like, oh, I remember this.
00:28:13.260 I remember this noob.
00:28:14.180 I remember, you know, I remember this restaurant.
00:28:16.860 I remember seeing, you know, that skyline.
00:28:19.200 There's some kind of, like, feeling I think you get when you return to a place like that.
00:28:23.360 I really, really couldn't agree more.
00:28:26.400 Okay, let's take one more quick break.
00:28:28.340 We'll be right back.
00:28:32.400 and we're back all right give me more give me more i want i want everything everything that
00:28:40.600 you've got make lunch your big meal of the day yes joe i will never forget the time when i
00:28:48.500 arrived in bologna and it was the wolf day which we'll get to but um i was so tired i just wanted
00:28:55.360 to go to bed and i arrived at a restaurant at five o'clock hoping to get some food before i
00:29:00.040 went and passed out in my new apartment and um i will never forget the look on the woman's face
00:29:05.940 when she was like we don't open for another two hours like it was haunting like she was basically 0.96
00:29:12.020 like you're a garbage american five o'clock is lunch babe five o'clock is lunch time um so the 0.95
00:29:19.720 fact that like if you're in spain and dinners are happening at 10 o'clock or if even in even in you 0.98
00:29:25.040 know italy or i'm being very eurocentric there you know all across the world there are places
00:29:30.840 where the dinner sort of regularly happens later if you have little kids you want to be in bed so
00:29:37.540 we have oftentimes we'll have a grocery store girl dinner um and which is totally delicious
00:29:43.500 because the grocery stores have great stuff um charcuterie cheeses olives you know snacks
00:29:48.720 whatever and we have like our big beautiful meal which saves money it breaks up the day
00:29:54.520 and we're not staying up at like meltdown o'clock so those are like um that's a big one for us is
00:30:00.120 that I try to sort of go to the city and see like which of these places that I really want to go to
00:30:05.420 offers lunch and and then I make those reservations um also this is my favorite my
00:30:14.380 favorite travel tip ever and maybe I'm sure you already do this I know you already do this
00:30:18.080 is go to the grocery store not only are you getting immersed in the culture um it is the
00:30:24.920 best souvenirs it's where I get the salt and the sauces and the spices and the one of the funniest
00:30:31.340 best moments to me was when it was 98 degrees and we're walking back from the Vatican and it's
00:30:36.640 my kids are like physically literally melting everybody's whining everyone's miserable because
00:30:42.440 no child should actually go to the Vatican
00:30:44.400 museums. We were walking past this
00:30:46.460 grocery store, and I'm about to have my own meltdown
00:30:48.620 because they're kind of screaming, and
00:30:50.360 I directly, I was like,
00:30:52.380 please stay here with the kids for a second.
00:30:54.300 I, like, angrily huff into the grocery
00:30:56.560 store. I pick up an entire
00:30:58.300 ass box of popsicles 0.99
00:31:00.500 that were a family of five.
00:31:02.360 I think there were 12 popsicles, and
00:31:04.420 I purchase it, and we walk outside,
00:31:06.380 and I hand out two popsicles
00:31:08.260 per person, and
00:31:10.140 the kids for the low low price of three euro my children were silent and happy for several blocks
00:31:17.380 and um they got to eat some delicious italian popsicles so i the grocery store is like my
00:31:24.540 place it's my happy place anytime we're traveling i love it it's my happy store well no i mean i'm
00:31:30.380 obsessed with the grocery store like i put that whole grocery store scene in the sicilian inheritance
00:31:35.780 because I just adore them so hard.
00:31:38.800 And we also are now in a phase of life
00:31:41.300 where we almost exclusively stay in houses,
00:31:44.140 where we stay in Airbnbs because...
00:31:46.580 And I don't love that.
00:31:48.040 Do you love that?
00:31:49.040 I actually did.
00:31:49.740 I don't love that because I love hotels.
00:31:51.840 I love hotels, but as you know,
00:31:54.660 and you were the first person to talk to me about this
00:31:56.340 when I was pregnant with Eliza,
00:31:57.460 you're like, traveling as a family of five isn't easy.
00:31:59.700 The world isn't set up for this.
00:32:02.180 It's not built for them.
00:32:03.180 And it's not built for them.
00:32:05.100 the set belt for us and as the kids are getting bigger we we actually really really need the space
00:32:10.540 like we can't go back to a hotel at night and just let them be in a room and we have to be able to
00:32:17.240 cook food on a very regular basis it's very it's very interesting because england was the hardest
00:32:25.220 place for my picky eater than um than italy than anywhere else because the pubs do not have kid
00:32:33.260 menus they're the option for chicken tenders is pretty much nowhere they don't exist um we came
00:32:39.720 across them once and so if we hadn't grocery shopped and we wouldn't have been able to feed
00:32:45.820 charlie and eliza they would have existed on pub french fries to be honest so yeah and then also
00:32:51.500 to not spend to not spend fifty dollars at breakfast is really nice to wake up and be like
00:32:56.920 here's your banana and your eggs and your toast and our coffee as well so like and then my kids
00:33:03.320 love grocery stores because they're like oh my god look at all these like crazy flavors of potato
00:33:07.820 chips and like a grocery store is where we found our weird advent calendars like it is just it is
00:33:14.240 such a delight and such an immersive part of culture and I also want them to know that travel
00:33:20.040 is doing those mundane things right it's not just going to the Vatican or going to the Tate
00:33:26.240 It is going to the grocery store, going to the playground.
00:33:30.000 International playgrounds bring me so much joy.
00:33:32.500 And I do not think you can discount them at all.
00:33:36.760 Yep.
00:33:37.400 I was going to say my last thing.
00:33:39.280 Well, being on the metro, being on the bus, I mean, those things feel like you're part of the city, like the fabric of the city, which is great for your kids.
00:33:47.300 It's cheaper.
00:33:48.300 It's obviously easier than getting the XXL Uber everywhere we go.
00:33:52.340 But also the green spaces.
00:33:53.820 And I mean, not just the park, like sort of having that like escape valve for when you're somewhere and you're like, I just need my kids to run around.
00:34:01.120 I need to sit on a park bench.
00:34:03.120 But the beauty of it, I mean, I have this like we have these photos of Blake and Sloan sitting on these little toy, you know, motorcycles in an Italian playground.
00:34:15.060 And one of them's a Vespa and one of them's a Ducati.
00:34:17.980 And I just like I love it so much.
00:34:20.080 And they're talking to these kids and nobody speaks the same language.
00:34:23.820 You know, these like tiny little babies are not speaking English to my kids, but they're having the time of their life together.
00:34:29.840 And it is it is truly like one of my favorite moments of, you know, getting to sit down, watch that, have them be on Italian vehicles and chat with, you know, other little babies not using the same language.
00:34:43.840 It is it feels like you're part of the fabric of of the city.
00:34:47.480 Exactly.
00:34:47.960 The most special way.
00:34:49.240 exactly and i think you you have to remind yourself that you can hopefully right we don't
00:34:54.780 know what the world's gonna look like but you can always go back and so you just don't have to pack
00:34:58.460 it all in and embrace i'm i almost say i'm like it's embracing slow travel and the kids are forcing
00:35:03.440 you to embrace slow travel and i think that's really a gift that's a good point which is buzzy
00:35:08.580 thing right now slow travel guess what if you have kids you're always traveling slow yeah you
00:35:13.760 You ain't got a choice.
00:35:14.760 You ain't got a choice.
00:35:15.700 At that speed.
00:35:16.780 Yes.
00:35:17.440 Yeah.
00:35:17.760 Every time.
00:35:18.720 We actually have to go because you have a kid thing to do at school.
00:35:21.600 But I do want to give this one shout out.
00:35:23.800 I want to give a shout out before we go.
00:35:26.100 Because your travel platform, your guides, Saltet, really saved me with kids in a city.
00:35:34.380 Because you have something that no other travel platform has.
00:35:38.820 Which is you can say, show me these things around me on my phone.
00:35:42.060 And it's like, sometimes I need a freaking cafe, but I want it vetted by someone that I know.
00:35:47.860 And that's what your guides do. Saltet has saved me in so many situations. And so I just want to
00:35:52.700 give you so much love for these guides. Thank you so much, Jo. It means so much
00:35:58.300 coming from you. And it's exactly why we built it like this. Because as a person who has three
00:36:05.380 children and I don't have a lot of time to plan these things, especially each cafe stop or,
00:36:11.100 you know like I said every snack stop but I also have FOMO and I don't want to miss the best
00:36:15.680 you know cup of coffee or ice cream cone in the area if we're you know traveling and to be able
00:36:21.240 to hit you know what's near me right now and know that a really smart and local person who's an
00:36:27.520 expert in that area like Katie Parler or Lindsay. You want to impress them on a first date but also
00:36:33.060 play it cool. So what do you do? I'm Rufy Thorpe and I wrote and read a real love story about a
00:36:40.060 hinge couple that navigated exactly that listen to the free audiobook now tremuda or you know
00:36:45.780 there's a million more um to tell me exactly where to go is is um is exactly why we built it
00:36:51.260 so thank you so much for saying that i'm so glad it's uh saved you on your travels
00:37:10.060 Thank you.
00:37:40.060 You