Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - July 04, 2024


Life as an OG Influencer

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00:00:21.120 Have you ever started following someone on the internet
00:00:24.300 and then just kind of, like, thought you'd be really good friends with them?
00:00:28.860 I mean, we all have because parasocial relationships are real things.
00:00:33.500 We've talked about that before on this show.
00:00:36.260 And Instagram is just rife for parasocial relationships.
00:00:41.100 In fact, it was essentially created for parasocial relationships.
00:00:44.460 I mean, we're just staring at someone else's life in the palm of our hand.
00:00:48.640 Oftentimes, they're very beautiful life.
00:00:51.180 Well, I have actually become real-life friends with many people who I first started out as a follower of, as a fan of.
00:00:57.460 And Julia Jafik is one of them.
00:01:00.380 You may know her by her Instagram account, Lemon Stripes.
00:01:03.980 It is beautiful.
00:01:05.360 It is aspirational.
00:01:07.260 And yet, and yet, and yet, she's not one of those influencers who makes me want to die.
00:01:11.340 She feels real and relatable and funny.
00:01:13.960 And also, she's very good at selling me things.
00:01:15.840 And I appreciate that hustle, man.
00:01:17.420 I really appreciate that hustle.
00:01:19.880 Julia's been doing this for 15 years, which makes her an OG influencer, my friends.
00:01:24.980 It really does.
00:01:25.560 15 years doesn't seem like that long, but 15 years ago, I wasn't married. I didn't have three
00:01:30.880 kids. I was dating very inappropriate men and smoking a lot of parliament lights. A lot can
00:01:36.260 happen in the world in 15 years. And Julia has seen it all. So today we're going to talk about
00:01:41.000 what the internet used to be like 15 years ago, the difference between these OG influencers and
00:01:46.820 the millennial and now the Zillennial influencers, the boundaries that you have to create online as
00:01:53.120 the creator, and the weird imposter syndrome that we all feel as women who live our lives
00:02:00.000 on the internet.
00:02:05.920 Let's start out.
00:02:06.880 I want to start out just, I want you to introduce yourself the way you would to a perfect stranger
00:02:13.880 that you don't care what they think about you.
00:02:17.000 You just want to tell them like everything awesome about yourself.
00:02:21.080 Wow. That is one way to put it. I've never been asked this before. Okay. My name is Julia Jafik. I have an amazing life. I married an incredible man who is funny. He makes my whole family laugh every day. He's the best father on earth.
00:02:39.640 I have two beautiful kids, Amalia, who's about to be seven, and my son, Luca, who's three.
00:02:45.440 They are gorgeous babies and also have such different personalities, and they just make my heart sing.
00:02:52.120 We live in Westport, Connecticut on a nice chunk of land with chickens and a huge garden and a dog,
00:02:58.940 and those are all the really wonderful things about my personal life.
00:03:02.820 Business-wise, I've been running a blog and Instagram account called Lemon Stripes for the last 15 years.
00:03:08.780 15 years, 15 years, my friend. It makes you such an intense OG that has watched this world change
00:03:18.080 in innumerable ways. Yes. And that has led me to write my first book and only book because I'll
00:03:25.980 never do this again. I don't know how you do this for a living, but I just wrote my first book. It's
00:03:29.660 called Garden Grown. It's a cookbook with gardening tips for my husband. And it's been a wild ride,
00:03:35.220 let me tell you yes well garden grown um i love this book by the way and we are going to be giving
00:03:42.060 away one of these books next week yeah publishing a book is a wild ride i don't know every time that
00:03:48.680 i do it nick astor my sweet husband is like i well every time every time i do it i'm like i'm
00:03:54.660 not doing this again and nick astor my sweet husband has been like you've said that 12 times
00:03:59.900 And somehow I keep doing it.
00:04:02.160 And I don't know.
00:04:03.380 I have Stockholm Syndrome.
00:04:05.500 Yeah, it's pretty crazy. 1.00
00:04:08.900 Yeah, putting a book out there is a bitch and a half. 0.99
00:04:12.360 It really is. 0.99
00:04:13.380 It really is. 1.00
00:04:14.160 It's a bitch and a half. 0.99
00:04:14.880 And you know, I thought when I finished writing it that it was done. 0.92
00:04:18.620 And that was a mistake because loading it is like almost harder than writing it in a way
00:04:23.240 because you have to really put yourself out there in a really scary, uncomfortable way 0.96
00:04:27.680 where you are like I'm really good at selling other people's shit you know like I you are you 0.98
00:04:32.740 are yeah in September 15 years like I can sell you know supplements magnesium supplements all 0.98
00:04:38.260 day long great but when I made something it felt really scary to sell that myself and I was afraid
00:04:43.700 everyone was gonna hate it I was paid that people were gonna call me a fraud like what does she know
00:04:49.520 how did she get a book deal you know I actually had panic attacks for two weeks that's another
00:04:52.920 fun fact about me is I have extreme anxiety I had panic attacks for two weeks before it came out
00:04:56.780 then it came out and it went great so i guess that was for no reason well that's that's really
00:05:01.380 interesting i want to dissect that for a second why you are really good at selling other people's 0.95
00:05:06.440 shit you've been doing it for 15 years on on on the digitals and the social medias when it's 0.95
00:05:12.700 personal why do you think that that is nervous and anxiety making well i've talked about this 0.95
00:05:20.220 a lot in therapy so i'll tell you what i've learned when you create something that comes
00:05:25.180 from your heart that you put so much passion and love and energy into it feels almost as if it's
00:05:30.440 an extension of yourself and people don't like that it feels like people don't like you which
00:05:35.820 is not true by the way obviously my book is not for everyone not everyone has a garden not everyone
00:05:39.940 likes to cook fine same with you like maybe someone doesn't want to read about a beautiful
00:05:45.100 Sicilian setting with amazing characters I don't know someone maybe someone just hates Sicily and 1.00
00:05:51.100 strong women. Who knows? Perhaps. They sound fun. But, you know, it's not you. When you write a 0.99
00:05:56.880 book, it's not you. And it's okay if somebody doesn't like it. And that's what I've learned
00:06:01.820 throughout this. But that's why it's so hard. It's because it feels like a part of you.
00:06:05.260 It feels like a part of you. I'm very curious if men feel the same way.
00:06:11.160 Definitely not. I can tell you that. My husband owns a business. He has a gym.
00:06:14.980 And he can promote the shit out of it all day long. No problem. 0.98
00:06:17.740 nothing which i think is fascinating like what is it about us that that that feels this way because
00:06:24.540 i do every time i first off i feel guilty and shame a lot about how much i'm promoting
00:06:31.160 sicilian inheritance even though it's my job it's like literally my job to do it and then
00:06:37.220 yeah just constant anxiety that if someone doesn't like this thing that i'm less than
00:06:41.620 somehow. Every woman that I know feels that way. Yep. Yep. And let me tell you, in the influencer
00:06:49.100 world, I don't really know the author world that well yet. I'm dabbling. You do. But in the
00:06:53.320 influencer world, it's the same thing. Whenever we come out with a new collaboration, whenever we
00:06:57.400 do something new and different that has our name on it that we've created,
00:07:00.960 we get nervous AF. And this is everyone. Every woman. Every woman. Every woman. So yeah, I want,
00:07:07.680 I do. I want to talk about that. I have a very important question for you, though, to start with.
00:07:13.280 The lemon dress that you're wearing in your profile picture. I feel like I need this dress
00:07:17.880 for my book tour. Where is it from? Well, now I have to look at which picture you're talking about.
00:07:22.640 I can tell you where it's from. That dress is amazing. It's called the Somerset dress from
00:07:26.260 Anthropologie. See, I didn't make it so I can promote it. It comes in a bunch of different
00:07:30.640 colors, patterns, sizes, like short, long. It is the most flattering dress on everybody.
00:07:36.700 everyone loves it and you definitely need it for your book i know i need it well i need something
00:07:41.340 with the lemons um hopefully lemons are hot right now which is great for me and now great for you
00:07:46.540 but um j crew has a whole lemon line wait really lemon line yep j crew factory has a whole lemon
00:07:52.440 line so get with the god shut up oh so the somerset maxi dress by anthropology um with
00:07:59.000 the lemons i'm looking at it right now everything is sold out except for double double extra small 0.96
00:08:06.160 and extra small of which I am not uh that is not me my friends but most of us but I will say
00:08:14.320 you can look on j crew j crew factory lots of lemon good stuff right now okay oh good good
00:08:18.340 good very psyched very psyched because I uh I saw Jill Biden the other day Dr. Biden and she had
00:08:23.640 this gorgeous lemon dress on that I was obsessed with we were both at a Sicilian festival and I was
00:08:29.280 like oh my gosh I need that dress and my friends were like that's Oscar de la Renta and I'm like
00:08:32.380 Yeah, I'm like, Dr. Biden, you look really amazing in that dress.
00:08:36.880 But maybe not for me.
00:08:37.860 Maybe not for me.
00:08:38.540 J.Crew Factory feels way more my speed.
00:08:41.380 I actually just did a big photo shoot.
00:08:43.460 I came out with a, I don't know how you guys feel about this on this podcast, but a THC
00:08:47.100 sparkling mocktail.
00:08:48.660 I feel good about that.
00:08:49.780 It's a brand called Jang.
00:08:51.680 I love them, so happy to promote them.
00:08:54.080 And I came out with a lemon basil gimlet.
00:08:56.220 So it's not alcohol, but it does have THC and CBD.
00:08:58.580 Anyway, for the promotion of it, we did a photo shoot in a gorgeous pink dress with lemons with, like, green leaves all over it.
00:09:06.520 And that's quite affordable.
00:09:08.180 Okay.
00:09:08.980 Okay.
00:09:09.520 I'm trying not to Google it as we talk, but I can't stop.
00:09:13.040 So I'm doing it as we talk.
00:09:14.400 Well, and so, yeah, that is one of the things that I want to talk to you about.
00:09:19.320 I think my audience is very interested in how collaborations work for influencers, because I love digging into the business side of influencing. And I want to know, you've been doing this for 15 years. It's changed a lot, right?
00:09:35.960 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's changing every day. And for us elder millennials, it's getting a lot harder because, you know, the Gen Z is coming in and doing their little dances and whatnot. And I mean, that's a joke. They're obviously doing an amazing job and they've created an even bigger billion dollar industry for the influencer world.
00:09:55.180 But for the elder millennials, I think, although it's harder in that way, we've found our niche, like people who are our age want to follow us.
00:10:03.640 They don't want to follow the young kids.
00:10:05.000 So it's nice to still have a following and be able to kind of keep up with the trends in a way. 0.64
00:10:11.420 But also, it's almost as if we don't have to keep up with the trends as much as Gen Z does, because millennials don't care as much if you're doing all the real trends or if you're doing the TikTok, whatever.
00:10:22.020 you know i i mean girl i cannot figure out tiktok i have tried okay like if i could
00:10:28.980 yeah if i could figure out tiktok i would be on the new york times bestseller list every 0.89
00:10:34.140 fucking week but alas i cannot do it uh so do you feel like you found your sweet spot with 0.86
00:10:40.960 your audience um and did you always feel that way you know it's hard it's a challenge any 0.98
00:10:47.000 influencer will say this like some days are great and i feel really good about it and some days i
00:10:51.000 get really down on myself. You know, the algorithm pushes things down. My content doesn't get as many
00:10:55.720 likes as it used to. I don't get into many views as I used to. And that'll go up again in a few
00:11:00.040 months. And it's frustrating because there's nothing that we can control about it. But yeah,
00:11:04.920 I mean, I am in a place where I'm not really growing rapidly anymore. I'm kind of like
00:11:09.420 staying pretty stagnant in terms of followers and engagement. But I'm in a place where I'm able to
00:11:15.540 make enough money to support my family. It's a really positive following. Like my followers are
00:11:20.100 very engaged, very excited about things that I'm doing and very supportive and loving. And at the
00:11:25.880 end of the day, yes, I could probably double my income if I grew, but I'd rather be happier and
00:11:31.000 less stressed. And that's a great place to be, right? And to talk about that, to talk about
00:11:37.140 can we be content in a place where we're not growing, but we're very comfortable, right?
00:11:45.500 Don't get me wrong. I see other people who are started around the same time as me and they
00:11:49.840 are just growing and growing and growing and getting these deals and making all this money
00:11:52.820 and seemingly traveling every week. And that's hard. And that's what social media does to you,
00:11:57.400 right? It makes it seem like everyone else is doing better than you are. But at the end of the
00:12:01.580 day, I have this great life. I have this great family. And I just try to remember that like at
00:12:07.140 the end, you know, I said the end of the day twice, but when I go to my phone, those little
00:12:11.820 squares on Instagram aren't my life. This is my life. And I have to live that. And I've worked
00:12:17.160 really hard to try to separate the two. And it's not easy. It's just not. It's not easy. No. And
00:12:22.980 I think it's, and even if you're not an influencer, to be able to separate your identity from what you
00:12:30.900 do for work versus how you live your life is something that I think that we all struggle with,
00:12:37.720 that we all struggle how to figure out for so long. And even still, but, you know, I was a
00:12:43.620 journalist that worked for magazines and tech companies. And my identity was the company that
00:12:50.360 I worked for, not who I was. And I like to ask people to introduce themselves, you know, as if
00:12:57.020 they would to a stranger they'll never see again, because I like that you mentioned that you're
00:13:01.220 married to this great dude and that you have these kids that you love. And I think it's so much more
00:13:07.120 helpful to introduce ourselves in in that way about things that bring us joy because as Americans
00:13:15.200 I think we're trained to immediately say what we do to make money I've never once introduced myself
00:13:23.340 in that way and it felt really good yeah I'm like I'm an I'm a content creator I've been doing this
00:13:27.920 book book author that's not at the end of the day who I am as a human you're so right yeah yeah no
00:13:34.220 Oh, exactly. Exactly. And I I like to think about that because I went for so long. I was like when someone would be like, you know, well, also it depends what city you're in, because, you know, in New York and San Francisco, it was always what do you do? Whereas in Philadelphia, it's like, where'd you go to high school?
00:13:47.820 Well, you're in Philly. I didn't even realize that. My sister lives there. She lives in Maniunk.
00:13:51.740 Amazing. Yeah, we're right in Center City. And yeah, so I'm trying to figure out different ways of introducing myself because I think that it just changes the whole tenor of a conversation.
00:14:02.640 You know, in Italy, a lot of times people will be like, what'd you have for lunch?
00:14:06.720 And I'm like, oh, my God.
00:14:07.920 Like, yes.
00:14:09.220 Yes, that is exactly what I would like to talk about.
00:14:12.100 I'm going to start saying, hi, my name's Julia.
00:14:13.420 What do you have for lunch today?
00:14:14.320 I love that.
00:14:15.980 What'd you eat today?
00:14:17.300 What'd you eat today?
00:14:18.860 And on that note, we're going to take a very quick break.
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00:15:36.940 Now, you've been doing this for 15 years,
00:15:38.900 which makes you a golden girl in the world of influencing.
00:15:44.160 How did you first start doing it?
00:15:46.540 So I, my husband and I, we were dating at the time and we were both working in health and wellness. I was a health coach and worked at a wellness program. So I would have clients that I would see, I would help them, you know, learn how to make better choices with their food, make better choices with their bodies and kind of learn how to meditate and do things like that.
00:16:06.500 And I started a blog, which at the time was called Lemons and Loafers, for them.
00:16:11.280 So I would put, here are my recipes.
00:16:12.880 Here's how to cook your greens the proper way.
00:16:15.260 Here's what you do with quinoa.
00:16:16.840 These were new things that people weren't really using yet in their kitchens.
00:16:21.000 And so I started this blog to share this with all my clients.
00:16:23.260 It would all be in one place.
00:16:25.000 And then there was no Instagram at the time.
00:16:27.480 So I would share it on my personal Facebook and just be like, friends and family, if you
00:16:30.740 want to learn how to cook chickpeas, here you go.
00:16:34.560 and I would share it and it just kept growing and growing kind of organically, which I think
00:16:38.200 is very hard to do today. But back then there wasn't so much saturation in the market. So it
00:16:42.780 was easier. Kept doing that. Then I kept getting invited to events and I would go to, you know,
00:16:49.120 I was 22 years old, not 22. I was like 24 years old and I would go to every single thing I got
00:16:55.300 invited to. I didn't have a home. I didn't have kids. I didn't have all these responsibilities
00:16:59.380 so I could just be everywhere and I could met the right people and kept doing the right things and
00:17:03.900 just kept growing. And then when I started trying to get pregnant after I got married,
00:17:09.800 I went through infertility and miscarriages and started posting about that. And that went viral.
00:17:14.180 And that's when I really, you know, started to realize that I could do this more full time.
00:17:20.060 And why do you think that that went viral?
00:17:23.700 So this was eight years ago or maybe even nine years ago at this point. And people weren't really
00:17:28.380 talking about that a lot publicly. I wrote about my miscarriage for like my personal journal. I
00:17:34.540 showed it to my husband and he said, you have a following, like you need to share this to help
00:17:37.940 other women. And I was like, no way, that's so scary. But I did it. Nobody, I mean, people had,
00:17:42.620 but really not a lot of people had shared this before. And when I posted that, the amount to
00:17:47.220 this day, by the way, almost 10 years later to this day, I get emails at least twice a week
00:17:52.520 saying I read this blog post or I went through this years ago and I just wanted to let you know
00:17:56.420 that your words have stayed with me and i think people just want to hear something that they can
00:18:00.420 relate to and at that time they they didn't have that um i also what was fascinating just as a
00:18:06.580 woman was after i posted that people in my family and friends came out being like my like one of my
00:18:12.000 aunts was like i had a miscarriage too and i had friends who told me i didn't know any of this
00:18:16.080 people were not talking about it yeah people were not talking about it right and i i do think that
00:18:22.700 There's so much power in that because, again, we just we don't often share women's stories nearly as much as we should.
00:18:30.820 And, yeah, I mean, when I write about things like that, I've written about, you know, my anxiety when I started weaning off breastfeeding and things that people don't normally say out loud.
00:18:43.140 I get I still get emails from that about once a week.
00:18:47.000 And I wrote that story six years ago.
00:18:49.000 Right. Exactly.
00:18:49.600 I mean, and those those words don't change that history doesn't change. People are still going through that now, even though you went through it six years ago. Right. So it's nice to know that those experiences that were hard for us are able to help women every single day.
00:19:04.480 now. That makes me like when I have a hard day at work, I don't know about you. It makes me keep
00:19:08.200 going. Totally. Totally. Yeah. Or well, and lately I've been getting emails from people about the
00:19:13.720 Sicilian inheritance. They're like, oh, my gosh, I just cried my eyes out at the ending. And I'm
00:19:16.920 like, I'm so exhausted from promoting this book. But thank you. I like I mean, I don't really want
00:19:22.800 to make you cry, but I kind of do. So because a good cry feels good for all of us. But yeah,
00:19:28.160 no, I mean, it is. And I think that's a nice reminder to people like when you love something
00:19:32.560 or when something makes you feel something
00:19:34.780 to reach out to the writer and tell them.
00:19:37.860 Because so often-
00:19:38.800 Yeah, I'll tell you then, while we're on this topic,
00:19:40.680 that my book club just read your book
00:19:42.080 and absolutely loved it.
00:19:44.800 All of us fell in love with the book and the characters.
00:19:47.020 I was just, I just texted the book club to say,
00:19:49.160 do you have any words for Jo?
00:19:50.120 I'm going on her podcast.
00:19:50.880 And, you know, they love the way
00:19:52.680 that you share these women's stories,
00:19:54.540 how you showed real stories.
00:19:56.980 One of my friends was talking about
00:19:58.340 how you showed how this woman, 0.95
00:20:00.680 how Sarah opened her restaurant
00:20:01.840 and then had to close it because of financial issues,
00:20:03.920 you don't see that a lot happening
00:20:05.220 and how she kind of came back from that.
00:20:06.940 And the way you just told these very real,
00:20:08.800 raw stories about women
00:20:10.160 in obviously two very different time periods was,
00:20:12.460 it was beautiful and very inspiring.
00:20:14.780 So thank you so much for fans in Westport, Connecticut.
00:20:18.240 You've been writing about your motherhood journey
00:20:20.940 from the beginning of your motherhood journey.
00:20:23.960 How have you set boundaries for yourself with your family
00:20:26.920 of what you will write about, what you won't write about?
00:20:29.940 and has that changed as your kids have gotten bigger it really has and you know it's hard I
00:20:35.220 struggle with it um we my husband I talk about this a lot we when I first had my daughter Amalia
00:20:40.760 I wrote about everything I wrote about weaning anxiety I had postpartum anxiety I had this I
00:20:45.440 had that I it was like I talked about potty actually I didn't talk about potty training
00:20:49.160 that was one thing I was like that feels too yeah but I talked about a lot of things and then
00:20:54.380 She started talking and I was like, okay, she's a human. This isn't blob anymore. And I slowed
00:20:59.780 down. At some point I talked about her anxiety when she was like four or five. And then I realized
00:21:05.480 after that, you know, this is not something that I would want shared with the world without my
00:21:10.980 permission. And even though I always ask her, like now I'll post her on Instagram stories or
00:21:15.960 on Instagram content. And I always ask her if it's okay to post the image. She's seven. So she gets
00:21:20.520 that she loves, by the way. She's like, I'm famous. I'm in your book. I'm on your Instagram.
00:21:24.460 She loves it. I understand what it means. So I keep it very surface level with my kids. I don't
00:21:29.600 talk about their issues, what they're going through. I talk about motherhood, how it's hard
00:21:34.120 for me, but not what's going on with them because it just feels too close to home. And at some point,
00:21:39.940 I don't know. I don't know the answer, but that's where I'm at. Well, I don't think any of us know
00:21:44.260 the answer so I I mean I change all the time to be honest like in the beginning and I you know I
00:21:52.060 didn't have a big blog or anything but I was writing for the women's magazines uh about my
00:21:57.060 early journeys with motherhood it didn't feel like there were boundaries because I was so used
00:22:02.480 to writing about my life that they felt like an extension of me I'm like I made you you were mine
00:22:08.020 You belong to me. And that felt like a very colonialist view of their bodies eventually.
00:22:13.240 And I have since limited. I don't I don't write about them or what they're going through now.
00:22:20.800 I still write about motherhood and how I relate to them.
00:22:24.840 I keep them off my social media grid and I still put them in stories because they're also a part of my life.
00:22:33.040 Like, I haven't completely excised them from my social media, but I have started freaking out more and more.
00:22:39.140 I freak out more about the girls, to be honest, the images than I do about Charlie.
00:22:45.520 And I hate that.
00:22:46.920 I hate that, like, I'm like, oh, my gosh, here's a great example, right?
00:22:51.820 Bea just had her first ballet recital.
00:22:55.060 Oh, the cutest.
00:22:56.880 The cutest.
00:22:57.460 And, you know, it was just 90 seconds of four year olds jumping around. Right. But like she's in this like big flouncy purple tutu and she's so fucking cute. And I took all these pictures where she's beautiful and she's so cute. And I'm just I'm so proud of her. Right.
00:23:18.280 And the social media is something that in theory, we should be able to share the beautiful parts of our life that we're proud of because it was created as a, quote, social network. Right. But I look at her in this tutu and because of the way the world is and because Instagram is not very good at putting up guardrails to protect anyone.
00:23:39.640 I'm like, I don't want someone to look at a picture of my little girl in a tutu and, and, you know, sexualize her or anything. And so I didn't, I don't post it. And I hate that. I hate that we live in that world. I do. And so, yeah, my boundaries are constantly changing. My thing about the boundaries is I just want all of us to talk about them. I want all of us to talk about, oh, okay, I'm constantly evolving and I'm making decisions on a day by day basis because all of this is hard and strange and none of it comes with a playbook.
00:24:09.640 Right. Yeah, I'm glad we're talking about it, too. And it's helpful to hear your insights.
00:24:14.140 It's also helpful to see I have a girl that I follow on Instagram who I love, Danielle Moss.
00:24:18.640 She was one of the founders of the Every Girl and the Every Mom.
00:24:21.020 She has two daughters and a son, and she recently took them all completely offline and talks about her reasoning behind it.
00:24:27.780 And I think it's really beautiful and powerful.
00:24:30.640 It's almost like I don't know why it's hard to do that, but people have been with with these kids through the journeys of their lives.
00:24:37.220 and but it's not mine to give you know it's theirs to give it's theirs to give but then also
00:24:44.260 here's here's the flip side of it right do we want to live in a world where we don't see
00:24:49.740 mothers mothering or children in media because i do i mean i do want to see how other mothers live 0.91
00:24:58.580 their lives so it's very very i think it's a confusing gray area and it does it does suck
00:25:04.760 that you know we we have to limit things because there are nefarious forces out there that we have 0.85
00:25:09.700 to worry about our kids images being stolen by ai or pedophiles like that part sucks because i would
00:25:16.180 love to see all of my friends kids all the time i would love to see just beautiful children all the
00:25:21.340 time like i love i love looking at kids yeah yeah i mean i agree i agree with everything you're
00:25:27.280 saying it's it's tough it's tough it's tough and i think you know we're all gonna learn as we go
00:25:33.000 as you said everything is always changing right so it's always changing who knows well it's you
00:25:39.980 know i was also i was talking to my agent yesterday because i've been writing this
00:25:43.620 trad wife murder mystery uh my sub stack yeah like just for fun just you know in my spare time
00:25:49.320 i'm just imagining you know and it's not it's not a woman that gets murdered don't you worry
00:25:53.960 it's her crappy husband uh and we love that we all love that we love that uh and she was like
00:26:00.560 well, what do you want to do with it? I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, I'm figuring it out. I 0.96
00:26:03.300 wrote, I started writing it just for me and my audience. And, you know, I definitely don't want
00:26:08.140 to do a traditional kind of book because in two years, the world of social media is going to be
00:26:12.000 completely different. Like it'll feel so old and so passe. I'm like, we don't even know if TikTok's
00:26:18.600 going to exist six months from now. Oh my gosh. I know. I mean, I don't do it. But like, on that
00:26:26.560 note, I always think about this. And when I work with clients, because I work with like small
00:26:31.980 businesses on their social media, I always make sure to tell them the only thing you own is your
00:26:37.300 newsletter list and your blog or your website. You know, you do not own Instagram. It could go away
00:26:43.480 at any point. So keep that in mind. You know, always have other options. Always have other
00:26:51.120 options exactly well and you know i think about that in terms of pivoting to career wise i have
00:26:57.280 changed the kind of media that i create once a year for the past 12 years at this point like
00:27:03.580 nothing is certain i'm constantly evolving i'm constantly pivoting and part of that is exhausting
00:27:09.020 and part of that is just survival these days yeah yeah agreed it's tough it is tough
00:27:15.320 don't recommend don't recommend you know what i think the world is so is just like generally
00:27:20.180 precarious um you know and we're we're all we're all just trying to do our best we're all trying
00:27:26.020 to figure it out and then and also find joy where there's joy i mean in this in this book uh launch
00:27:33.060 journey which i love this book so much and but i do have a lot of stress around it and i was talking
00:27:40.280 to my friend glennis this morning whose book mostly here to enjoy myself launched this week
00:27:45.040 and i've been with her up in new york to launch it into the world both monday and tuesday i call
00:27:50.460 myself a book doula now i'm like i am birthing i'm with you as your companion i wish i'd had you
00:27:57.000 because i could have used a book doula last month i know i should rent myself out but it also means
00:28:02.220 that i'm super tired because we've we've just like been celebrating and doing all of the things
00:28:06.260 i took her i took her to marie's crisis for some singing right after you're a great i'm a really
00:28:12.820 good book doula guys really good and but i was talking to her this morning and you know she's
00:28:17.960 happy but also like anxiety ridden because she's like am i doing all the things and stuff and i'm
00:28:22.280 like you know we just need to enjoy this uh and i think it relates to like motherhood too like
00:28:27.920 let's just find the joy it's not always easy i hate it when people are like it's gonna go so 0.89
00:28:32.580 fast i'm like you shut the fuck up but like at the same time let's try to have fun with with the 0.95
00:28:38.480 things instead of them giving us angst. So Glynis and I planned three book events together. I was 0.96
00:28:43.580 like, all right, I have to do book events. You have to do book events. Let's do it together
00:28:46.780 so that it's more fun. And it's just the two of us putting on like some great calf pans
00:28:51.140 and shooting the shit with each other and having a good time because we deserve to have fun. 0.99
00:28:57.660 That sounds really fun. Come with us. Yeah. Well, you're going to join the Athena event 0.99
00:29:02.120 now. I'll bring Glynis up and we'll just do all the things together.
00:29:05.180 for sure you know writing a book and promoting your book is i shouldn't say yours mine it's been
00:29:11.780 one of the hardest things i've ever done ever in my in my career and i am just so impressed
00:29:17.820 by people like you by authors in general it's like it's impossible it's it's exhausting you're
00:29:23.860 always out there you're at events every night you're at on panels every day you're on podcasts
00:29:27.960 every day although podcasts are fun i gotta say it's exhausting so i'm i'm impressed and i'm
00:29:32.680 am impressed that you do it over and over. I mean, I think you're insane, but I love it.
00:29:36.140 I'm insane. No, there's something wrong with me. There's actually something wrong with me. 0.98
00:29:39.820 Okay. We are going to, we are going to take one last quick break. And when we get back,
00:29:43.480 we are going to talk about your book.
00:30:02.680 audiobook now. Okay, we are back. Oh, now is the time that you are just going to shamelessly tell
00:30:17.820 our audience all the amazing things about your book. Oh my god, I love this. Thank you. So my
00:30:22.860 book Garden Grown was really born out of a hole that I saw in the market. So during the pandemic,
00:30:28.580 My husband built this gorgeous garden, like a 20 foot by 20 foot garden.
00:30:33.800 We basically have a farm now.
00:30:35.360 We put it in a chicken coop.
00:30:37.360 We have chickens and it's like this beautiful, like self-sustaining property.
00:30:41.640 He grew up in Bosnia during the war and the garden that his family had quite literally saved his life.
00:30:49.280 They had food when other people didn't.
00:30:51.060 They were able to sell products like the milk that their cows had, the eggs that their chickens laid to get other foods that they didn't have.
00:30:57.760 food waste and gardening in general is like our big topics in his life so i'm talking about it a
00:31:03.960 lot you know he would come in with these giant harvests of tomatoes and basil and lettuce and
00:31:08.840 cucumbers and peppers and i would show what i was making with them and then people would come to me
00:31:13.880 on my instagram and say you have so many tomatoes what are you going to do with all those like what
00:31:17.240 am i supposed to do with all mine and i was like okay this feels like a good book idea so the book
00:31:22.480 is divided into chapters by vegetable. So for example, there's an eggplant chapter. In that
00:31:28.080 chapter, my husband goes through how to plant, how to harvest, how to deal with pests, random
00:31:32.280 gardening tips for eggplants. Then I go into how to store them off season, dry them out, bread them,
00:31:37.800 freeze them. Then you can use them for eggplant parm whenever you want throughout the year.
00:31:41.000 Then I go through the recipes and have like 10 to 12 recipes for each chapter and so on and so
00:31:46.080 forth between that and cucumbers and carrots and berries and onions and garlic. And it just keeps
00:31:50.680 going and going and going. So that is the spiel. I love that because so often I will go to the
00:31:59.980 farmer's market and buy an eggplant. And then I'm like, what do I do with an eggplant? Correct.
00:32:05.180 Yeah. Or you buy a whole bunch of carrots and you don't know what to do with the rest of it.
00:32:09.320 And that's been like a really big part of it for us because it's, you know, we don't want to waste
00:32:14.640 the food. So we're part of the idea of the book is trying to help people who overbuy or overproduce
00:32:19.800 use everything up instead of getting rid of it i love this i love this did you you guys wrote this
00:32:26.820 together what was that like for your marriage she won't recommend not dnf dnr dnr dnr yeah well you
00:32:35.440 know i wrote most of it so i would i mean i gotta be honest i actually hired a friend of mine who's
00:32:41.340 a project manager to come in and like give me homework every week because i'm just not organized
00:32:45.960 enough for this they were like here you need to put a hundred and rest 108 recipes head notes for
00:32:50.120 each one intro chapters you know it was just so much work it was so overwhelming i was like i
00:32:54.840 don't even know where to start so my friend came in she gave me uh homework every week and part of
00:32:59.860 that homework would be like having l write his stuff so he you know when he would have to do
00:33:04.480 something i would sit with him he would basically do voice recordings and remember english is not
00:33:09.260 his first language voice recordings that were you know then somehow he transmitted into words
00:33:16.120 and i would have to basically rewrite all of them because uh english is not this strong
00:33:20.980 right it was the whole thing it was the whole thing and it was the whole thing but was was
00:33:26.040 any part of it fun for you guys to get to do together absolutely i mean be well actually i
00:33:32.100 will say the best part was recipe testing so going into this i had about 40 recipes that i knew i
00:33:36.940 wanted to put in the book and i was like i am set and then they were like you need over 100 and i 0.95
00:33:40.260 was like i am fucked and you're fucked yeah yeah yeah yeah i had to test out about 60 recipes so 0.94
00:33:45.540 that was fun i cooked a lot and he tested a lot and he was very honest with his responses so we 0.99
00:33:50.960 had fun with that um shooting photos for it with a cookbook is different than your kind of books
00:33:55.160 because you have to shoot every single recipe so our photo shoots were really fun there were a lot
00:33:59.560 of fun parts about it also promoting it with him has been fun you know we've been doing book talks
00:34:03.760 together where like we're doing one at the Greenwich Garden Club on Saturday and we talk
00:34:08.620 about gardening and the book and it's fun to do that together because he's really funny. So he
00:34:12.820 brings in like the humor. See, I think that's nice. I think it's nice to like get to birth something
00:34:18.300 into the world together that's not a child. Yes, it is. It's really fun and it's also really hard
00:34:25.080 and I'm torn on if I would ever do that again. Well, you know, I will say with books, this is
00:34:31.560 this is my advice you know how like right after you have a baby you don't want another baby
00:34:35.800 you're like i'm never doing this again and my my my friend for tessa actually texted me she's like
00:34:43.160 when is my brain gonna come back online it's been four weeks and i'm like four weeks honey
00:34:48.660 got a time to go you got some time but it's like you can't even think about having another baby
00:34:54.020 until the the baby that you currently have is not on you all the time so i'm like wait till it can 0.65
00:35:00.420 sit on the floor wait till you can leave it alone and go take a poop and it's the same way with a
00:35:04.220 book you're like wait until you're not running around talking about it all the time although 0.62
00:35:09.280 i'm a psychopath and i think i'm writing like three more books right now um but that's just
00:35:14.260 me like like i said there's something wrong with me i fully agree i don't know you but now i know
00:35:18.780 there's something you're like now i know there's something there's definitively something wrong
00:35:22.400 with me i will tell you i've also because i can't help myself looked up many more lemon dresses
00:35:27.460 and i don't what i love about the anthropology one is the sleeves i don't i don't love well
00:35:34.540 there was just that recently that thing where some uh jerk bag on thread said woman over the age or 0.96
00:35:41.120 women over the weight of 130 shouldn't wear sundresses did you see that we're all screwed 0.99
00:35:45.800 and we're all fucked right yeah um so that's not it it's just like i'm more comfortable in sleeves 0.98
00:35:51.880 and so all the j crew ones are like strappy spaghetti sleeves and i'm just like those aren't 0.88
00:35:55.460 my jam okay i'm gonna send you some more options after this podcast me some more options because i
00:35:59.660 want i just want some more i need some lemon dresses for for the continuing summer sicilian
00:36:04.660 events i really do i understand it's a real struggle and we are going to help you that's
00:36:09.800 why you are you are that's why you're here that is why you're here well i mean and i i love your
00:36:13.800 content because you well all of your recommendations are great i never feel like you're overselling me
00:36:19.980 anything and you're also very honest you're like this is a collaboration i'm collaborating with
00:36:24.620 someone and this this is the business part and um i do feel like that is often not the case you're
00:36:32.060 like but you're very upfront about you're like this is a brand this is a brand i'm doing a job
00:36:36.640 i mean you have to kind of right otherwise you can go to you not go i can't go to jail but you
00:36:43.420 can definitely get in trouble for it so everyone should get that and they don't always and they
00:36:47.980 don't manager i say on top of it so shout out to carly here good yeah you know exactly exactly well
00:36:53.900 Well, and that's one of the things we talk about in this podcast all the time, right?
00:36:56.660 Like, this is a business.
00:36:57.940 You're running a business, and you're very good at running a business, and you're a businesswoman.
00:37:02.460 I do find it interesting because I've been reading a lot of profiles of very successful influencers lately where the profiles in places like the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal are like, well, this homemaker also. 0.99
00:37:14.060 And I'm like, no, she's the CEO of our fucking brand, man. 0.98
00:37:17.300 CEO of her brand. 1.00
00:37:18.680 You know, I'm going to tell you that drives me nuts.
00:37:20.540 Like, and it, I do think nowadays is different than 15 years ago.
00:37:24.140 Like when you say influencer is less cringe and people do understand that that's like
00:37:29.620 a job and that you can be quite lucrative in that job.
00:37:33.120 But it's also a little embarrassing, you know, like, I feel like once I came out with a book,
00:37:37.540 I was able to say, I'm a cookbook author and that like legitimized me.
00:37:40.940 And I hate that.
00:37:41.680 I hate that I felt that way because how creation is hard and it is a business.
00:37:45.880 Yes.
00:37:46.280 I am like working to pay my bills.
00:37:48.760 That's why I'm doing what I'm doing.
00:37:50.540 So it's been an interesting journey.
00:37:53.780 That's so that is so interesting.
00:37:55.060 And it also makes a lot of sense.
00:37:56.940 I actually I didn't call myself an author for a long time.
00:37:59.740 I continued to call myself a journalist because I thought that seemed more legitimate.
00:38:03.520 I'm like, am I a real author?
00:38:05.780 Is what like I did one book like, you know, am I going to do another one?
00:38:09.480 I mean, it's so again, it goes back to like how we introduce ourselves and like the identity
00:38:13.840 thing, like how do and why do we why do we care what other people think?
00:38:20.540 of things i mean because we're human we can't help that right like that's just human it's just well
00:38:27.040 i also think it's a woman thing because my my husband feel that way you're right it is a woman
00:38:32.080 thing we're women women we are women oh all right i loved i loved having you on today tell everyone
00:38:38.280 where they can find you okay so on instagram my instagram is at lemon stripes i have a blog also
00:38:46.000 at SlemmingStripes.com. You can buy my book, Garden Grown, anywhere books are sold. And I
00:38:51.700 look forward to connecting with so many of you. I just adore you, Jo. And I think that your
00:38:57.020 followers, I'm guessing, are just as wonderful as you are. You know, they really are. That's
00:39:01.700 the thing. They're just like, they're really, really great ladies. And I think two men. 1.00
00:39:07.080 You're two men. Two men. Shout out to the two men who listen to this podcast. We love you.
00:39:11.860 Hello, James and Jack.
00:39:12.540 Brett. Brett's one of them. He's our resident neuroscientist. And yeah, yeah, exactly. I love
00:39:17.960 this. I love you. And we are going to hang out. I can't wait. I am so proud of you. Your book's
00:39:22.980 amazing. Everybody go read it. Go read it. And that's all we have for today. If you are a woman
00:39:30.740 who is into bold prints and delicious vegetables, go follow Julia at Lemon Stripes. You're not going 1.00
00:39:37.680 to regret it. You are going to find dresses and recipes and her cute husband. She is a delight.
00:39:45.240 A goddamn delight. Also, her cookbook, Garden Grown, is teaching me to cook vegetables in ways 0.98
00:39:51.460 other than throw vegetables on baking sheet and put in oven. Apparently there are other ways.
00:39:58.900 Yes, yes. Now go do something nice for yourself. Maybe buy Julia's book and have a wonderful
00:40:05.500 freaking day. You deserve it. 0.87
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