Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - April 14, 2026


My New True Crime Obsession in Utah—the Kouri Richins Murder Trial

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00:00:00.000 hey y'all joe here and you are listening to under the influence so i've got this new true
00:00:11.400 crime obsession and like all of my best obsessions lately it started with a trip a work trip i mean
00:00:19.340 even when the world feels like a massive dumpster fire and it does it does it is chaos out there
00:00:26.080 Even then, when I travel, I tend to get out of my head and out of my comfort zone, and I just,
00:00:35.020 I find new sparks. I find new things that interest me. I get inspired to write new stories and to
00:00:42.760 dig into old stories, and I just, I kind of come alive again. Which is ironic because this is a
00:00:52.400 story about someone being unalived. This is a murder story. It is true crime, like I said.
00:00:58.100 And honestly, I gotta say, if I didn't already do the ultimate Utah Western-based original 0.93
00:01:06.400 tradwife murder mystery, then I definitely would have written a book based off this. I would have.
00:01:12.500 I mean, maybe I still will. Who knows? Or maybe I'll do a whole true crime podcast season on this.
00:01:16.900 I had never heard about this case before. Maybe you have. It is the story of Corey Richens.
00:01:24.560 Corey is a Utah mom and an author, author in air quotes, who was accused and has now been convicted
00:01:31.360 of poisoning her husband with fentanyl and then writing a children's book about grief
00:01:37.020 to help her kids cope with his death that she caused. So just sit with that for a minute.
00:01:43.700 It is also one of the sloppiest alleged crimes that I've ever heard of, but also somehow that
00:01:51.180 makes it even more fascinating. I discovered this story when I was out in Midway, Utah,
00:01:56.040 doing an event at Folklore Bookstore, wonderful woman-owned shop, and I was driving around with
00:02:02.520 the owner, Lindsay Lovett. She was taking me all over Midway, which is just like this hallmark movie
00:02:07.300 little town, okay? And then all of a sudden she goes, hey, you're going to want to take a picture
00:02:11.540 right here. There's the murder house. Okay. There's the murder house. And apparently that
00:02:17.760 was the house that Corey Richens bought. And the reason she killed her husband to try to get the 0.72
00:02:22.240 insurance money to finance the renovations of the house. It is messy and it is ridiculous. 0.99
00:02:28.320 So today I'm going to talk to Lindsay. We're just going to sit here and shoot the shit 1.00
00:02:31.260 about the Corey Richens story. Lindsay literally drove me to all of the key locations around town 0.99
00:02:36.580 while forcing me to drink many, many Dirty Diet Cokes, which is the local delicacy out there. 0.99
00:02:42.600 They love a massive soda. They really do. It's amazing. It's because they can't drink booze,
00:02:47.260 okay? They are just hopped up on caffeine all the time because they cannot have a single
00:02:54.040 spicy margarita. That was my takeaway from Utah, friends. Anyway, here's the Corey Richens story.
00:03:00.280 Here's Lindsay. She is a delight. And if you want to order The Parisian Heist from a woman-owned
00:03:05.620 bookstore. Folklore will send them all over the country. Just go to folklorebookshop.com and they 1.00
00:03:11.460 will send you your copy of The Parisian Heist, and you will be supporting a local woman-owned
00:03:15.280 business, which we all want to be doing all the time. We do. We do. We love women and we love
00:03:19.760 small businesses, but we don't love it when women murder people. So let's get into that. 1.00
00:03:31.640 Oh, hey, girl. I miss you. I want to come back to Utah to hang out with you.
00:03:35.600 Utah loved you.
00:03:36.860 I loved Utah.
00:03:38.260 Y'all treated me great.
00:03:40.280 I want to come back.
00:03:41.580 I had so much fun, so much fun in Midway.
00:03:44.660 And you were like my gateway drug to Utah.
00:03:49.180 My goodness.
00:03:50.540 Me and coconut cream.
00:03:51.780 Mix it together and we're dirty.
00:03:53.080 I love it.
00:03:54.160 You know, I haven't talked on this podcast about my dirty Diet Coke experience.
00:04:00.500 Why don't we open the podcast with that?
00:04:02.300 Because that's a really Utah thing to talk about.
00:04:04.000 And before we get into my latest true crime obsession, I did not realize how much soda was a part of Utah and Mormon culture until until I arrived, until I got there.
00:04:18.100 And there's freaking soda machines and soda bars everywhere.
00:04:23.200 Blessings to all.
00:04:24.980 Blessings to all.
00:04:26.120 You guys freaking love sugar.
00:04:27.640 OK, like you love it so much.
00:04:29.320 There's candy bars everywhere.
00:04:31.000 There's soda bars everywhere.
00:04:32.100 you took me to a drive-through soda bar can you explain what this is to my audience 0.97
00:04:37.740 well if you have to get out of the car what's the point so we have our dirty dyke well sorry 0.92
00:04:46.980 we have our sodas of choice and um I don't even know when this started I want to say maybe 10-15 0.89
00:04:54.020 years ago i believe swig was the original um but correct me if i'm wrong swig is very wealthy so
00:05:04.540 they can also correct me by sending me some yay because i'm already drinking you every day yeah
00:05:09.880 every day so we are we are not pure we can be puritanical about things but we are not purist
00:05:17.420 with our soda we like to add a little something to it so the something means like like cups and
00:05:23.960 cups of more sugar to your sugar. But I mean, it's a Diet Coke. So your base is fine. It's just
00:05:30.500 sprinkles on top, really. The one that is probably the most popular is lime, Diet Coke, coconut cream,
00:05:40.820 and then sometimes more coconut. And you know what? Sometimes more cream.
00:05:45.860 And that is called a dirty Diet Coke, right?
00:05:48.400 Yes. And each soda bar has like cheeky names for each of their drinks, too.
00:05:53.480 so you also indulged in a dr mcdreamy i believe i had a i also because you ordered a dr mcdreamy
00:06:02.220 that was a diet dr pepper and what else was in that raspberry puree which is like raspberry
00:06:10.580 sugar and coconut cream and we got a diet so it's fine it was it was not fine okay so i got i ordered
00:06:18.460 I got this I got this I got this dirty I got this dirty diet coke and I got I got like the jumbo
00:06:25.280 size like the extra large and drink the whole thing. Which is large in Utah there is no extra
00:06:30.640 it just is. It's just big it's just big and I drank the whole thing and I was messed up okay
00:06:36.000 like I was on such a caffeine sugar high that I was unwell for hours after this like the first
00:06:45.520 10 minutes were great and then after that i i just it did me dirty is what it did yeah and you
00:06:53.840 know we have i've had authors who have visited too and they've got altitude sickness sometimes
00:06:59.460 because we're on the wasatch back like or we're up in the mountains in midway and i need to factor
00:07:05.440 that in so thank you for guinea pigging that soda experience i will like do hydration along with it
00:07:12.620 maybe like an ivy with some vitamins i don't know an ivy that's on me that's on you it's on me
00:07:19.380 well because honestly i used to go to sundance a lot and you know back in my boozing and dancing
00:07:25.580 on bar days and i had to factor the altitude in to my sundance partying ne'er did i think i would
00:07:34.200 have to factor the altitude in to my soda drinking yeah and your small town drive around and and my
00:07:42.600 small town drive around that I loved so much. So you gave me a tour of Midway, Utah. I've talked a
00:07:49.060 little bit about Midway so far, mostly in my in my sub stack on over the influence, because we we
00:07:55.680 have been doing a whole series on on my experience visiting the Ballerina Farm Dairy. But you took me
00:08:02.080 around the rest of Midway, which is really ground zero for a lot of influencing culture. You have
00:08:10.220 the dainty pear storefront there as well yes um and there is another influencer storefront
00:08:18.520 the food nanny is opening a yes cooking school there yes and we love lizzie yes yes and so
00:08:25.920 there's just so much also there's the fuzzy blanket wars between lola blankets and and
00:08:33.500 minky blankets right minky couture minky couture yeah the the mormon fuzzy blanket wars i was
00:08:40.720 actually talking to an editor at ink the other day at casey's book launch at books are magic and i
00:08:45.380 think i'm going to do a story on the mormon fuzzy blanket wars oh that would be awesome it's pretty
00:08:49.600 good right because i am i am obsessed with lola blankets we have three in our home okay yeah i
00:08:57.120 mean i am coming at you with a minky wrapped around my body right now okay yeah i mean i
00:09:02.720 haven't tried a minky yet so maybe maybe I need to try the minky in order to write this story
00:09:06.740 but there's a lot going on there it really is the intersection of influencing and Mormon culture
00:09:15.060 and just and all of it and in addition to the fact that y'all and this is this is what Lindsay
00:09:22.880 revealed to me while we were doing our drive through town she's like she pulls up in front
00:09:27.440 of a house and she's like well here's the murder house and I'm like what she's like take a picture
00:09:32.600 you're going to want to take a picture outside and I'm like am I and so now this this story and
00:09:38.920 there was a lot of breaking news this week we're going to try to break some of it down for you
00:09:42.320 with the caveat that we are not experts but this story is my new true crime obsession and I also
00:09:49.420 want it to be all of your true crime obsession so that we can talk about it this is the Corey
00:09:55.460 Richens story which was completely new to me before I came to Utah yes you filled me in on
00:10:02.080 Corey's story in addition to literally driving me all to like all over town to all of the Corey
00:10:07.260 Richens landmarks can you can you just like give our audience the TLDR about Corey Richens I'll
00:10:15.060 start with the house and maybe we'll end with the house and this house is very big so it can be full
00:10:20.540 circle that's fine so in the trial if you've listened to it they call it the Midway Mansion
00:10:25.640 we uh we being basically a small town facebook group and so i have no background in investigative
00:10:33.960 journalism besides my small town facebook groups and then also a game i like to play that i call
00:10:39.540 two degrees of mormon bacon which is i'm basically if facebook friends or friend of a friend
00:10:47.080 of most people on secret lives of mormon wives real housewives people be murdering influencers
00:10:54.520 It's it probably stems from, I don't know, polygamy that we're all related somehow.
00:11:00.580 I've got to stop you right there because I also asked you what we had just met in person
00:11:05.620 for the first time.
00:11:06.420 And I think within five minutes, I was like, oh, do you have an app to check and make sure
00:11:09.840 your husband's not your cousin?
00:11:11.680 Indeed, we have a find your relatives near me.
00:11:15.800 And this is only if you have your your genealogy in the church's app, which is also they not
00:11:23.560 only own, the church has, I can't remember what it's called, but they have Ancestry.com. So if you
00:11:30.740 put your genealogy in there or check if it's been done, then it will also put a search out of people
00:11:37.520 around you and it'll say, hey, everyone in this room, okay, brother Jim over here is your fifth
00:11:44.440 cousin. So my husband, who's my second husband, we moved here to Midway Together, is my 10th
00:11:52.700 cousin twice removed. So we're cool. You're cool. You're very far apart. We're super white and both
00:12:00.360 have Mormon ancestors. So that's a pretty good number given the circumstance. Given the
00:12:04.860 circumstances, of course, of course. So yeah, I just had to get that out of the way. That was
00:12:08.380 one of the early, early things we talked about in the early days of our friendship. And now
00:12:13.840 we're clearly soul sisters. So, okay. Yes. So back to the house. So this house started to be built.
00:12:21.660 I want to say 2016, 2017, sometime around that time.
00:12:27.400 And it was built by Doug Roilance.
00:12:30.320 And he was very high up with his wife in LuLuRoe, which was the legging company that has the MLM that has a very fascinating documentary.
00:12:42.480 And I was even going through, again, my investigative journalist site, aka Facebook, and I saw how many groups I'm a part of.
00:12:50.120 And in this time, I had so many friends or sisters of cousins of friends add me to their Lulu Rowe Facebook group.
00:12:58.840 So it was at the height of that that he began building this house.
00:13:03.820 And most of what I'm going to say is just I have not talked to Doug Roilance.
00:13:09.980 I can't fully confirm this.
00:13:12.040 So this is lore attached to this as well.
00:13:14.920 Yeah, it's lore, it's hearsay and gossip.
00:13:16.980 That's what we're here for.
00:13:18.120 Okay.
00:13:19.400 Influencing.
00:13:19.840 here we go so he was going to build a hunting lodge in this house and it's right on the provo
00:13:24.840 river the view if you look at any of the pictures is gorgeous and around 2019 it stopped and i
00:13:33.260 believe he moved to guadabala and supposedly to do some sort of non-profit work and so the house
00:13:41.060 proceeded for the next three years to rot like the elements took it over very quickly also sadly
00:13:48.760 during this time a construction worker went into the house and died from suicide in the home and
00:13:56.980 so that had a lot of lore attached to it too where it was like people have said that even before this
00:14:04.140 house began it was already haunted and the ownership it just there was no other ownership
00:14:10.780 for this period of time. And then Corey Richens, who also is on multiple of these groups as a
00:14:19.160 realtor, the posts are still up in some of these groups where Corey Richens has piped in and said,
00:14:24.340 I have this house for sale if anyone's interested. Also, many of the people who are in this trial
00:14:29.800 are also in these Facebook groups. Their names have popped up as I've been reading through this.
00:14:35.560 uh she wanted to turn this home into a event center and the zoning would not have allowed
00:14:43.640 for that uh it's only zoned i believe for private residents and so even going into that she was told
00:14:51.980 that uh girl's got a dream what can you do so she put an offer in on the house maybe in december
00:15:00.400 of the year before. And it was about, oh, maybe it was 2.9. I'm sure a lot of your listeners will
00:15:07.840 know more of this. It was just under 3 million. I don't know if they will. I mean, this was new,
00:15:12.760 this was new news to me and a lot of people I've found. Okay. Oh, really? Okay. Well, and I mean,
00:15:19.060 I live in a town, Midway really only has maybe 5,000, 6,000 full-time residents. So the fact
00:15:24.800 that we have, you know, you throw a rock or you throw a minky, you're going to hit an influencer 0.54
00:15:29.900 and that we have this like very high profile murder case happening around us is it's fun I
00:15:37.500 I don't know another word at this point so no it's great it's great okay all right I'm not
00:15:42.580 we don't love murder but come on like no and true crime and again there's so much I think what's
00:15:48.680 been really interested about this child too is the people who she has hurt and seeing all the ways
00:15:56.640 that it's it's not just the murder it's everything that she did that got her to the place to be a
00:16:03.340 murderer and just kind of the the chaos and the sadness that has happened because of it and you
00:16:11.360 look at her and she like she also in the case has changed her side part the side part was psychotic 0.72
00:16:19.500 that should have probably been the first indication of usually nefarious activity 1.00
00:16:24.380 Exactly. When I see a side part that psychotic, I'm like, you've committed murder.
00:16:28.380 And hey, I'm a proud side part still. But that was actually one of the first comments, even when the news started to come out, was what's up with the side part. So I'm not in the minority talking about that, but she wanted to buy this house, turn it into an event center.
00:16:46.340 And so she was a realtor and had been for a period of time and she was flipping some houses. And her husband, they had had some unrest between them. He, his family had money from like land or ranching or something going into their marriage.
00:17:07.240 he had been married once before he was actually married in midway and the woman who he had been
00:17:13.140 married to they got divorced after a few years and then a few years after they got divorced she
00:17:18.080 she died in a tragic car accident so um he marries cory in maybe 2013 they have they already had a
00:17:27.860 kid so there's a lot of speculation about whether they're mormon too um if you look at eric's
00:17:35.520 obituary. He was raised in the church and he served a mission for the Church of East Christ
00:17:40.820 Latter-day Saints somewhere, I believe, Spanish speaking. Many of his family members are still a
00:17:47.140 part of the church. Cory grew up here and here being Wasatch County and Summit County. So they
00:17:56.580 lived in a town called Camas and Camas is about 15 minutes from us. Now, but it is the next Camas
00:18:03.740 might be uh yes indeed might be familiar to our listeners because indeed who who lives in camas
00:18:11.140 we also have uh the family on the end of democrat lane ballerina farm ballerina farm
00:18:18.860 the ballerina farm brand the nealmans uh i visited their dairy we just posted about that
00:18:23.180 on under the influence or on over the influence on the sub stack uh yeah so that's where i always
00:18:28.900 thought it was kamas uh it's kamas yeah right yeah put some twang on it like make it country
00:18:35.440 don't don't don't make it fancy on us that's for park city they both have familial ties going into
00:18:40.920 yes okay yes and but they didn't live in midway at the they lived in kamas at the time but she
00:18:47.220 was doing uh she was flipping houses in our county and in her county as well and eric had a construction
00:18:54.020 company. And, um, I know many people who have known Eric and it's always interesting how it
00:19:02.300 comes out. I actually was getting my phone fixed and the man who owns the phone, phone dock in
00:19:09.980 town was friends with Eric. And I was saying I had to keep my texts, uh, specifically from my
00:19:16.380 ex-husband for documentation. And so then we started talking about the importance of keeping
00:19:21.360 our texts for various reasons and um eric was really loved and he coached his kids teams um
00:19:30.600 he also really loved cory and i think that's really important and that's kind of plays out
00:19:36.280 in the trial again and again one of the more heartbreaking uh witnesses is his sister just
00:19:42.160 talking about they talked all the time they were so close and he really just wanted to have this
00:19:50.200 family. And he had had his first wife, according to the internet, had had some infidelity. So when
00:19:59.040 he was with Corey, he wanted to have a more traditional family and he wanted to provide for
00:20:04.480 her. They did, however, have a prenup. And as the lore goes, that prenup was signed maybe on their
00:20:12.580 wedding day in 2013 and the prenup said something something along the lines of if they get divorced
00:20:20.700 you she gets no money but if they're married and he dies she would get the money we're gonna take
00:20:27.060 a quick break when we get back so much more okay we are back all right so they get married there's
00:20:40.340 a prenup if he if they get divorced she gets nothing if he dies she gets money what happens
00:20:46.500 next so she wants to work and he supports her in this but she she ain't the best with money
00:20:55.660 she uh takes out a loan in his name doesn't tell him so there's some forgery along the way
00:21:02.960 um there's some bailouts here i think at a time it was maybe the loan was
00:21:10.100 again listeners uh helped me out here but i think it was about two hundred fifty thousand dollars
00:21:15.260 um and they stayed together and his family's testimony says and i i've been thinking a lot
00:21:22.580 about this too with the um secret lives of mormon wives is when you're in a relationship and you've
00:21:29.280 already had a history of, um, maybe infidelity or maybe unrest in a previous relationship,
00:21:34.940 you just want to make it work. So I have a lot of compassion for him, even though people might say,
00:21:41.580 well, why didn't he just leave? And which is always the question that we're asked. And he
00:21:47.880 wanted to believe the good in her. And he wanted that for his kids too, because now like the great
00:21:55.360 tragedy of it all is now these kids are are parentless so uh he they still have heated
00:22:03.460 arguments they still have some back and forth she had infidelity there is statement by her that he
00:22:11.920 also had infidelity and those statements are golden because those are emails and letters
00:22:17.720 and so much of this case is cory's emails letters and texts that if they were a fictional character
00:22:25.160 we could delight in so much more because they are ridiculous in this is part of the reason i
00:22:32.480 love this story so much because it is just so absurd yes like here is uh she wrote i'll get 0.70
00:22:42.760 to her ridiculous in a second anyway so basically what happens then is her he had talked to his
00:22:49.780 loved ones he had talked to his sister he talked to some of his friends because cory needs to uh
00:22:56.300 she's tried to buy this house in december and the closing date on it is march 4th so she has to come
00:23:03.540 up with the money for this and she goes to a former housekeeper who's also her friend who also has
00:23:12.800 struggled with drug addiction in the past and asks her to get her some pills and she tells it's for
00:23:18.340 an investor or for a client that Corey's working with that she needed to get some drugs.
00:23:24.080 So this woman went, let's see, her name is Carmelita and also Carmen. So she had gotten 0.98
00:23:32.980 her drugs three different times. The first time she got drugs, it was probably some sort of
00:23:39.780 oxy. It was not what it came to in the beginning. The first person she got drugs with
00:23:47.840 i was reading last night was actually my daughter's elementary's friend's mom and when we were 0.88
00:23:57.280 in my daughter was in elementary school i didn't have good vibes on this mom and i would only let
00:24:02.640 the friend come to our house so um i did have a little bit of like i knew it i knew it thank you 1.00
00:24:10.140 hearing her name and but also i was very protective still even though this woman had sold drugs
00:24:17.600 i like even listening to the court i'm like don't say her last name like everyone in the community
00:24:24.380 is hearing this even though everyone in the community has already heard this to begin with
00:24:28.500 so she sells her drugs they do an exchange she comes back and is like i'm gonna need something
00:24:34.860 a little better uh and so carmen goes to another drug dealer and he gets her fentanyl and uh as
00:24:45.220 the quote says some of the michael jackson stuff is what cory was looking for cory texted the drugs
00:24:52.320 that i want are some of the michael jackson stuff meaning some of the kinds of drugs that we know
00:24:58.060 killed michael jackson because she's trying to find because she's trying to find drugs to kill
00:25:01.720 her husband right and which carmen carmen got off she got immunity um with her testimony um which
00:25:11.840 okay if someone's saying give me that sweet death drug you're like really michael jackson death
00:25:19.380 drug yes for a client fascinating so she gets her some more of the fentanyl and uh there's a house
00:25:27.720 that is a drop-off point this house is not the murder house it's a smaller house in midway
00:25:32.760 and this house was where they did the exchanges cory sold this house to a woman so she was one
00:25:40.520 of the witnesses talking about when she sold the house like did you see drugs were there boxes in
00:25:46.980 the house what did you see and it's a historic tiny house in midway which you have been here
00:25:53.780 seeing the backdrop of this murder it very it is very idyllic here it is very a midway midway is
00:26:02.480 yes it is a hallmark movie town in fact hallmark movies have been filmed there and it is also it
00:26:08.320 also looks like a swiss village like it's ridiculous yes so usually the only white that's
00:26:14.460 coating us is snow and not residue from drugs in multiple uh of cory's houses that she's flipped
00:26:21.780 so they exchange the drugs ultimately she the second exchange she gives him a sandwich on
00:26:29.300 valentine's day he has an immediate reaction to it he believes that he's having an allergic reaction
00:26:35.100 so he takes some Benadryl goes to sleep but he did say to family members and to friends I think
00:26:41.680 Cory's trying to kill me and here we have again with domestic abuse where people will say if you
00:26:48.900 thought she was trying to kill you why would why wouldn't you leave and you really don't think
00:26:53.760 someone you love is going to kill you and you really want to believe every time someone you
00:26:58.000 love hurts you that this will be the last time and they show you every indication that that's
00:27:04.780 going to be true in the beginning of the cycle and i'm just saying that because any of us who
00:27:11.060 have been in some sort of toxic pattern like that or cycle so much of taylor frankie paul is on the
00:27:16.200 mind right now and i just i don't want eric in all of this like his goodness hurt him um but i think
00:27:26.220 he's he was still good in all of this so look at me getting defensive for a guy yay i know for a 1.00
00:27:33.540 man oh my gosh i'm never defensive for a man but you know what there's terrible women out there
00:27:38.600 like women commit murder all the time and yeah yeah cory richards does not seem like the best 0.97
00:27:43.160 of human beings yeah i mean give me a nice dad as a coach i'll take that over an aggressive side 0.89
00:27:49.880 part any day of the week any day of the week so she fails she gives him her she gives her her 0.52
00:27:54.280 murder she gives it again she gives him the murdering death sandwich the death sandwich
00:27:58.740 does not work out and so third time's a charm um a day or two before she murdered him the sister 0.99
00:28:05.540 had even come and they were having a domestic dispute and they were yelling at each other and
00:28:11.360 everything and the sister said that she like stood between them so in this uh eric decides
00:28:16.760 that cory is not his beneficiary and he has uh there's multiple testimonies about this but i
00:28:23.980 believe that he had a trust in his name and that he had instructed his business partner that his
00:28:30.500 part of the business goes to this trust and then his sister was also his what is it called a
00:28:36.680 beneficiary what is beneficiary yeah right i think so um cory doesn't know this and so cory
00:28:43.500 wants to celebrate that she's about to sign on this deal for this house and so she fixes him
00:28:49.960 his drink. And like Chicago, some guys just can't handle their arsenic. And then said she went to
00:28:56.340 bed to sleep with the kids and fell asleep in their room and that she woke up at three and he
00:29:01.200 was cold to the touch. And now we can see the police body cam footage of how bananas she act 1.00
00:29:08.940 when she called the police. She called her mother next and her mother also came there. 1.00
00:29:15.020 and then his sister also came. And he was dead. And she says that he has taken a THC gummy that
00:29:23.600 he would take to sleep. And so maybe it's something to do with the gummy. He died with
00:29:29.380 five times the amount of the lethal dose of fentanyl. There is no gummy in the world. You
00:29:36.000 could go to like the M&M store and get one of those life-size gummies. There is no gummy that
00:29:41.360 would hold that much fentanyl in it to begin with. But that is her plan is, oh, they're going to
00:29:47.140 think it's the THC gummy. So her mom also acts strangely and might be because Corey has taken a
00:29:56.600 cue from her mother because her mother had her girlfriend who she lived with passed away in
00:30:05.120 maybe 2006 in wasatch county and she died from an opiate overdose and uh mama murderer
00:30:14.360 also was the beneficiary for her girlfriend so that case was already discussed in our town like
00:30:22.900 oh everyone everyone knows about that that she probably killed her but because her girlfriend 0.58
00:30:30.120 had a history of drug abuse. It was a hard, hard case to argue. And so her mother has already
00:30:38.800 benefited possibly from a poisoning. And so, and her mother's name is Lisa. So Lisa and Corey
00:30:46.720 are crying, but they're also asking weird questions. And when Eric's sister shows up,
00:30:53.140 she pulls the cop to the side and says, just so you know, I'm the beneficiary,
00:30:57.620 which was even from the get we're suspicious of her so um eric has a funeral he did have a funeral
00:31:07.920 in an lds church he uh they do an obituary i have screenshots of when they first posted the
00:31:15.840 obituary because i was all like i was just following this as oh the sad story that this
00:31:22.800 dad died in town and the comments in the obituary got a little interesting with people just saying
00:31:28.860 well is it a loving wife like what's really going on so she proceeds to uh and i will say a quote
00:31:37.540 unquote on this one write a picture book about grief to help her children in this trying time
00:31:44.140 the year after his death and as she told good morning utah she just couldn't find any good
00:31:51.860 picture books about grief so she had to give one for them and it was like your children aren't
00:31:56.320 haunted enough let's let's do a ghost written haunting for you because this picture book
00:32:02.460 features pictures of their dad in the clouds as an angel watching over them and all that they do
00:32:08.560 this part is bananas okay like this was like all of this i was intrigued from the very beginning
00:32:13.560 of this ever since you pulled over on the side of the road and was like we're like take a picture
00:32:17.620 of this house but the fact so she slips him his his death cocktail kills him and then writes a
00:32:26.020 picture book about grief for their children yes because if she's grieving then she couldn't have
00:32:32.920 done it and also she clearly has narcissistic traits and so how is she going to put on the
00:32:42.540 widow's shroud with this and not only look innocent, but get the attention for her, for her
00:32:48.260 pain. So she goes, she uses a company, it's called Book Writing Lean. And it's an indie published
00:32:56.860 company that also just writes the book for you. And by company, maybe robots, I'm not sure. But
00:33:02.980 you could look at this website. And they have text exchange with the quote publisher about her
00:33:10.380 writing this book so she even lied about writing the book about grief about her husband dying
00:33:17.120 which of course she did but also oh my goodness come on it's and also this is the best they can
00:33:24.740 give you you paid money because the book is awful and you can still get a story time of it if you
00:33:30.360 look on youtube uh it's hard to find a copy obviously but you can have it read to you and
00:33:36.800 And that's why I had nightmares last night. So she then goes on to the local Park City radio show. And she also goes on to, I believe it was Good Morning, Utah. Now, here's my part in that. I am a children's book author and I had a-
00:33:54.780 are a wonderful author. Let's talk about some. We'll tout your books at the end of this, my
00:33:58.600 friend. Yes. Thank you kindly. So my book came out May or June of that same year of 2023.
00:34:05.520 And I had reached out to a friend who worked for this news station and had said, hey, I'd really
00:34:12.400 love to get on the show to promote my book. And I had reached out maybe April, April, May, and they
00:34:19.580 said, yeah, we'll talk to the producer. Well, meanwhile, in April, Corey goes on the show a
00:34:26.020 year later in April of 2023 and talks about this book that she wrote and the reason she wrote this
00:34:33.220 book. And yes, she's a murderer, but also everything she talks about writing this book is also a lie.
00:34:39.820 And I reached out again in May because she was arrested in May. And I said, hey, I'm just
00:34:45.020 following up can i get on that new show and uh i got a you know i think we're gonna pause on
00:34:51.640 children's authors for a bit oh so yeah so cory richards took my spot on like i can side part of
00:35:01.100 my hair i i it's an indie published book that she didn't even i like i was so bitter about that
00:35:07.480 so that's what put it on my radar i get it from the get yeah yes so she was then arrested in may
00:35:16.240 and that was in may of 2023 and she just recently served trial uh three years later and as far as
00:35:24.180 the trial details the in between that's really like accessible information they she's had multiple
00:35:32.260 attorneys uh they tried to change the location because it is a summit county is a small county
00:35:40.100 and a lot of people either knew eric's family or his construction company or they had heard some
00:35:48.860 like buzz about this we are the next county owner over i was not contacted to be on the jury
00:35:54.780 um and i would have said no because i would have showed them my screenshots on my computer
00:36:02.160 for the last three years reading about this case um right before she was arrested though that's
00:36:08.160 one of those letters comes into play that she wrote a letter to the attorney to the cop and said
00:36:14.120 i just want this over i just want our lives back to move on and to grieve and mourn my husband
00:36:18.620 without looking over my shoulder constantly this is riddled with misspellings for you guys 0.97
00:36:24.300 or the idiotic private and guest investigator or the richards family whatever i can do to help 0.99
00:36:30.780 close this out. Just ask. I'll give you or tell you whatever you want to know. Please check with 1.00
00:36:36.000 the lab on those gummies. Corey Richens. So her case was he had fentanyl-laced gummies.
00:36:45.700 And P.S. Chad, I hear you could ask, you know, our good friends. Our kids play soccer together.
00:36:51.940 And then she goes on. Chad, the police officer or detective, I loved his response because he was
00:36:59.060 like great cory thanks for keeping us posted like thanks for the update my friend we are we this is
00:37:06.000 not delayed this is us getting everything into our arsenal because there you are going down and
00:37:13.360 that was very interesting to me about this trial i also very oddly had my ex-husband was friends
00:37:21.580 with Jodi Aris, Travis, who was killed by Jodi Aris, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago. So I watched
00:37:29.020 that case as well. This case, what was interesting to me is there was no case. It was us watching to
00:37:36.720 see, like, how did she botch this over and over and over and over again? Like, this is the sloppiest 0.96
00:37:44.300 murder slash cover-up that i have ever seen it's bananas my friend okay i want to take one more
00:37:52.880 quick break and when we get back there was a verdict there was a verdict last week after i
00:37:57.420 had already you know seen murder house and gotten done dirty by my dirty diet coke uh and so we'll
00:38:04.000 tell everyone the conclusion when we get back from our last break
00:38:06.840 okay we are back like i stumbled on the cory richard story just as it was as it was coming
00:38:20.780 to a close as it was ending because the the verdict came down last week she was found she
00:38:26.440 was found guilty to no one's surprise right yes and and there's there's it's too bad there wasn't
00:38:35.460 even a little bit more of some sort of pushback. So it's like betting on a game and it's, you know,
00:38:43.160 an NBA team playing a junior jazz. And it's very clear how this is going to go. It's almost as
00:38:52.120 disappointing as looking at her search history. And you and I know search history does not nary
00:38:58.280 a murderer make. It just makes... No, no. If you looked at my search history,
00:39:03.140 especially for the past few weeks because i'm working on this dude ranch murder for hire plot
00:39:08.320 and so i'm like which you also helped me with like we we did a lot of brainstorming around
00:39:13.160 storylines when i was with you in midway but like my search history is how long would someone have
00:39:18.060 to be locked in a sauna to burn to death yes yes and and we leave it there because i might have
00:39:25.540 forgotten the answer to that so i actually have to go back to my search history to remember that
00:39:29.300 Oh, no, I have to ask it over and over again. I'm like, what kind of tape could I use to bind someone's wrist?
00:39:36.100 Yes. And that is useful information because you're actually writing a smarter murderer than the one that we are discussing now.
00:39:42.420 Oh, yeah.
00:39:43.100 And so her queries, that's the thing. Like me, like as a murder thriller writer, would never fuck something up this badly.
00:39:51.740 Yeah. Her queries were, what was in her search history?
00:39:55.060 What constituted a fail in my amount of the substance used?
00:39:57.940 what is the cause of passing is it listed on official records she also searched luxury prisons
00:40:04.300 for the rich in america how long life insurance takes to pay you and whether deleted texts can
00:40:10.500 be received and that that whether police can force a lie detector test wow wow also all things that
00:40:18.620 i've searched at some point but i'm also not planning on murdering my husband right and also
00:40:24.280 i mean luxury prisons luxury looking out for someone yeah right exactly exactly wow yeah i
00:40:32.560 mean she didn't even she didn't even try to commit the perfect crime is the thing at all i mean this
00:40:38.560 it truly is and i asked you when i first heard about it i was like is there a true crime podcast 0.98
00:40:42.840 about this like like it it would it would be a podcast about the stupidest criminal in america
00:40:48.760 yeah and it couldn't be a serialized podcast it would be an episode because which is why we're 0.97
00:40:54.780 doing at a point you're shaking your head and just like she did it and there's there's not a
00:41:01.200 lot of surprises i mean most of the surprises for me was just reading about it and i would like
00:41:06.080 one of her victims she had a best friend that she said she was going to buy a house for her
00:41:11.680 and the friend gave her her life savings of like forty thousand dollars and she bought the house
00:41:17.000 for Corey and then didn't tell that, you know, it wasn't her friend's house. And her friends
00:41:21.700 actually had someone come to the house and say, Hey, we just bought this house. You need to leave. 0.97
00:41:26.240 And so she lost her house, lost her life savings and lost and murdered her friend.
00:41:30.840 And she, on her Facebook page, her profile picture is at Halloween. And in the picture,
00:41:36.660 she's standing in front of my house in the background. So I have, I, I don't know Corey
00:41:42.680 Richens I live in the next county over from her but we are all haunted in different ways and that
00:41:49.440 two degrees of Mormon bacon that exists here and the coincidences of it all makes for a very 0.87
00:41:54.180 interesting small town interaction and small town murder too oh yeah yeah no I mean I love the idea
00:42:02.460 of combining like a hallmark movie with a small town murder like are you a person that loves cozy
00:42:07.980 romance and also true crime have i got the movie for you yes and i am working on a small town
00:42:16.320 murder mystery now i just need all of the small town to slow down a little bit for me so i can
00:42:22.380 catch up because every time something happens in town someone's like are you going to put this in
00:42:27.000 your book and at this point i'm like i'm not writing a small town encyclopedia like this is
00:42:33.220 or how-to guide of how to, I guess, Hallmark Meets Murder is kind of lifetime, right?
00:42:39.960 Hallmark Meets Murder is kind of lifetime. Yeah. I mean, seriously, like, you are trying to write
00:42:44.020 this small-town murder that is, you know, vaguely set in your town. You have to be like, can people
00:42:49.820 stop murdering? Stop murdering so I can just write this book? Yes, because they're gonna know. I was
00:42:56.460 quick to put uh poison in the scones that they served at this festival and now it's like who 0.96
00:43:04.940 who hasn't put poison in a scone who hasn't who hasn't five times dose of moscow mule
00:43:10.720 easy mistake so tricky so tricky girl oh i love it i love it so much i love it i love midway i love
00:43:18.600 you i love your bookstore folklore being a bookstore owner is relatively new for you
00:43:25.160 So as an author, why did you decide to open your own bookstore, says the girl who just bought a vintage book trailer?
00:43:31.220 As an author, you know, you have this podcast, which it gets you, you're at least shouting out of your cave to other people, but it's a very solitary job.
00:43:42.000 And especially during COVID, it became an even more solitary job because we had less in-person events, less conferences, and I missed my writing community.
00:43:52.880 And I moved here in Midway in 2015, and I got married in 2016. I'm about to have my 10-year
00:44:00.400 anniversary to my good husband. And I kind of struggled with some of the intensity of the
00:44:09.520 culture here. Even though I'd grown up a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
00:44:14.780 it was very different from my hometown of Las Vegas. So I didn't want to go out of my house,
00:44:22.160 And I didn't really want to get to know my neighbors and trust them because I had that.
00:44:29.480 Are they like them?
00:44:31.620 Are they supporting some reality star that I would just like to change the channel?
00:44:38.120 What are the differences between us? 0.97
00:44:40.160 But what the bookstore has given me is, first of all, I opened it with two also amazing women, female business owners.
00:44:47.960 And we have all gotten community from this.
00:44:51.400 And I've met people that I wouldn't have met otherwise because I had never left my cave.
00:44:56.340 And we've helped facilitate this third space in a very, very red state.
00:45:02.100 I feel like we're kind of this like sweet purple dot that in a place where, you know, we have many hardworking trad wife influencers around us, too.
00:45:16.660 And so I really felt that that was valuable.
00:45:20.180 I don't know how it's going to help me then go back to my author career and start focusing on
00:45:25.840 that again. But you and I even talked about this when you're out here. It's just it's a business
00:45:30.680 of relationships and we can plan for our career and be very savvy. But I feel like so much of
00:45:37.760 that savvy comes from organic connection, empathy, like we met and it's yeah, I'll stay up and have
00:45:47.720 a nightmare about Corey Richens would be on your podcast because we never know what spaghetti
00:45:54.080 we're throwing on the wall, how it's going to stick. And so I don't know if that's going to
00:45:58.080 parlay in, but I know me as a person and also finding a way to stay in my community and matter
00:46:05.200 in my community and have my community finally matter for me, I've gotten all of that from the
00:46:10.120 bookstore. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I think that third spaces are more and more important
00:46:16.280 than ever these days and the community of women that you brought to my everyone is lying to event
00:46:22.700 it was such a great event and we had we had your friends they made these gorgeous bouquets for us
00:46:28.800 let's tell everyone let's tell everyone about them so they can follow them yes so my friend
00:46:33.600 she owns flower barco at it's flower barco on instagram she did uh hand hand tied uh dried
00:46:42.280 flower bouquets for us they were so gorgeous so gorgeous our theme and uh she often she is our
00:46:49.320 resident florin she's also one of my best friends and uh she's one of my co-owner allison's best
00:46:54.320 friends so when we were even coming up with the ice idea doing a bookshop it was going to be a
00:46:59.700 bookshop and a flower shop next door to each other so uh she's a single mom she moved here too a lot
00:47:05.680 of people who moved to midway are kind of somehow 2.0ing their life finding um healing finding a
00:47:12.580 new beginning and so that's been really cool that i've shared that with her and she brought these
00:47:17.640 bouquets for us we also had some june pies served there which is an excellent local bakery
00:47:22.880 and we also had a soda bar too which i did not yes which was kind of you i had already soda barred
00:47:29.920 you. And then it was like last call and, and you didn't take it. Congratulations. And I want to say
00:47:36.060 one thing about your event, which was one of the most fantastic events we've had. I, it was really
00:47:41.300 fun to kind of stand to the side, but still stand in the front and watch the audience. I love doing
00:47:47.460 that with kids during story time, but I felt like this was like grown up mom story time because
00:47:55.540 because everything you told them, every antidote, every comment, they were wrapped and they
00:48:01.500 absolutely loved. And you taught me too, even how you pitched your Dude Ranch story. I went home
00:48:06.400 that night and thought, I need to write a story that can be pitched just like that. And you can
00:48:11.360 talk about what your origin is and you know where you're going with it. And I have had multiple
00:48:15.840 customers ask me when that book is coming out. And I said, well, she finished it here. So it's
00:48:22.520 got some time. Yeah, I finished it at your store. Yes. And also in the hot tub with you. And it's
00:48:30.200 that summer 2027 after Parisian Heist. But people can also order Parisian Heist from you from
00:48:35.940 a woman owned bookstore and you will you'll send it out, right? We'll send it out and we can send 1.00
00:48:43.480 anything with it as well. We'll have those signed by you. So we've had already quite a bit of
00:48:49.700 pre-orders i'm very excited about that book i'm so excited about that book i love all your books
00:48:55.240 too they're timely but it's like you catch the time before the time even happens it's you writing
00:49:00.720 this parisian heist it's like you're kind of making things happen you're like never-ending
00:49:05.720 story or something you're you're writing it and then it's begetting i know i know i should write
00:49:11.200 something pleasant actually i should write a happy future for the world and then they all woke up and
00:49:16.700 it was just a dream and it was just a dream it was just it never happened hillary was elected
00:49:21.100 20 years ago uh yeah exactly well also tell everyone about your children's books because
00:49:26.280 now i'm in the midst of of working on my first middle grade grade novel so i'm gonna have to
00:49:32.020 take all of your expertise too yes so my my recent titles are the garden just beyond and
00:49:38.200 that's about a family who in the new jersey pine parents who have a magical garden behind their
00:49:44.760 house that the fruits and vegetables change people's emotions so the town is humble hollow
00:49:51.320 it's very stars hollow midway-esque and they have all these quirky characters around them
00:49:58.640 but it's mostly about legacy it's about grief and it's about when you have power what do you do with
00:50:07.160 it and so do you commodify it like they start to do where they charge people for these mills that
00:50:12.700 can change their lives? Or is that something that should, you know, should we own power or
00:50:18.520 should it be shared with all? And then my second title that's more recent is called North of
00:50:23.320 Supernova. And that is a reverse parent trap book about a girl whose dad comes home from a Las Vegas
00:50:29.820 business trip, says he's met his college girlfriend again. They're moving to Vegas for the summer and
00:50:34.320 he's getting married. So she and her future stepsister to be decide they're going to break
00:50:38.860 up their parents and they use that. They do that through psychics, tarot cards, trying to just find
00:50:45.340 out what the future is because she has a lot of anxiety and she's trying to get some sort of 0.91
00:50:50.960 control. Both of them are incredible. I'm going to put links to everything in our show notes.
00:50:56.440 Thank you so much for joining us today, Lindsay. It was delightful. And also it's delightful to
00:51:00.920 listen to you it's you are everything that people hear and more in person and i can i'm excited to
00:51:09.140 just continue to get to know you through your podcast and then continue to stalk you relentlessly
00:51:13.580 yes same ditto to you my friend ditto to you
00:51:30.920 We'll see you next time.
00:52:00.920 You