Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - December 31, 2024


New Years Resolutions That Aren't Dumb

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00:00:00.100 Hey all, Jo here and you're listening to Under the Influence.
00:00:04.280 It is that time of year again. Resolutions time.
00:00:09.500 And I never know how I feel about resolutions.
00:00:14.140 I'm never gonna make a resolution to restrict myself from anything ever again. 0.99
00:00:21.220 I just, I think those are dumb. 0.56
00:00:23.700 I do want to make resolutions that'll just make me happier in the next 12 months. 0.95
00:00:30.000 I, you know, I want things like more friend dates and more travel. To be honest, I should
00:00:37.040 probably be nicer to my sweet husband, but that's not always easy when you have three kids and
00:00:44.600 you're juggling so much work stuff and desperately trying to have an equal marriage, which feels
00:00:50.840 impossible. Most days it does. But yeah, no, I'll be a little bit nicer to Nick Astor. I have a lot
00:00:58.840 of thoughts on on what i want 2025 to look like and you know to talk to talk about it i'm bringing
00:01:06.560 on the person that that i always want to talk to you about all of the things the glennis
00:01:12.960 hi glenn good morning welcome back from iceland good morning yes you know it's it's good to be
00:01:21.200 back and it was also great to be gone yeah you look fantastic your skin looks great your teeth
00:01:26.740 look great did you did iceland do something to your teeth like did you like imbibe sort of like
00:01:31.660 healthy crisp dark air and that's coming out actually i made some deals with some elves
00:01:38.280 that i that i found in a mountain so i was just like hey elves
00:01:42.620 you do some magic for me um i no iceland was great it was wonderful it was relaxing
00:01:50.080 we just like chilled the f out which is what i needed and uh i feel good and strength you know
00:01:56.620 it was a nice way i think to enter 2025 because i don't really do resolutions but i like to think
00:02:05.720 about what i want more of and what i want less of and how i want to shift and i want more travel
00:02:12.380 it shakes up my brain in the ways that it needs to be shaken up to write books i mean i just feel
00:02:19.160 so much more creative
00:02:20.120 you saw that
00:02:20.660 when we were in Paris
00:02:21.360 I didn't even
00:02:21.820 I didn't even have my computer
00:02:22.860 when we were in Paris
00:02:23.660 because I left it at home
00:02:24.460 and I typed on my
00:02:26.880 I typed so many words
00:02:28.080 of the new novel
00:02:29.040 Lost Masterpiece
00:02:29.820 on my phone
00:02:30.340 yeah
00:02:31.000 just that small
00:02:32.420 getting out of
00:02:33.280 the routine
00:02:34.680 allows like
00:02:35.560 it's like light
00:02:36.140 hits you in a different way
00:02:37.660 and you see yourself
00:02:38.640 and you see your thoughts
00:02:39.540 in a different way
00:02:40.200 yeah
00:02:40.500 it's
00:02:41.060 last year we started
00:02:43.560 first of all
00:02:45.540 I liked that this holiday
00:02:46.500 was not
00:02:47.140 like we have to see
00:02:48.060 certain things
00:02:48.580 it was like
00:02:49.160 almost like we have to see ourselves and that involves sleeping and luxury um also we started
00:02:56.000 2024 you and me and Casey and a bunch of other people by jumping into freezing cold water which
00:03:02.220 yeah I thought was a great way yeah do you want to come up perhaps I might need another dose it
00:03:07.920 was a good year yeah yeah it was a good year yeah we jump into the Spruceton Spruceton Creek
00:03:12.840 every year and then we sit around fireplaces and drink drink warm warm beverages exactly
00:03:20.740 how how else could you start a year how better i know i know exactly exactly so yeah travel's
00:03:27.540 a big one and then friends i want to be with friends more and in community more community
00:03:31.920 yes yeah i think community is the key i've been thinking about resolutions i love like i love
00:03:39.180 a start just because it helps you sort of like clear, like a reset in the brain. And even if
00:03:44.500 resolutions are like, I don't, you know, I want to stop eating sugar and I eat sugar on day eight
00:03:48.700 or whatever it is. But this year, I really feel like what I'm thinking about is how to survive
00:03:55.800 as a whole person in what's headed our way in 2025, like how to survive, how to maintain a sense
00:04:03.060 of engagement with the world and not like retreat into self because everything feels so overwhelming
00:04:08.420 and how to maintain optimism and community and friendship and also like that French phrase I
00:04:17.900 wrote about a few like bon courage like a sense of does that mean good courage good courage yeah
00:04:23.400 it's in the French instead of saying bon like you say bon chance good luck but bon courage has like
00:04:27.760 much more depth to it I think and I think hits on the fact that you know optimism requires some
00:04:34.160 level of bravery and that is sort of the mentality i'm trying to think through and taking into the
00:04:39.680 next year as opposed to sort of like the smaller individual resolutions i have it's like the larger
00:04:45.300 how do we remain whole and human and like loving people and not be overwhelmed by cynicism and
00:04:53.960 anger and fear so and i think community is really key to that and also i think and this is maybe
00:05:00.760 be self-serving for both of us but I actually think reading books and not being on a screen
00:05:05.100 is fundamental to that um and being outside being outside yeah yeah yeah the wander I gotta say um
00:05:15.120 you know when Casey and I were in Reykjavik and then I was alone for a day in Reykjavik
00:05:19.740 I'll just love I just love a wander yeah right with no purpose yeah so like just heading out
00:05:26.780 and because I think you notice so many more things and just yeah freeing the brain from the screens
00:05:34.720 I think I I mean if I have one resolution it's screen less yeah I also think like in in in this
00:05:41.300 aligns with all this less I mean for you and also less so because you have the work of it every day
00:05:47.240 was is being around kids you know that there is and that's that is tied to disengaging from the
00:05:54.580 screen and disengaging from the news cycle in healthy ways, which is kids are not engaged in
00:05:58.660 either. And being around them, I think, is like they are tapped into life in a way that is
00:06:04.020 really wonderful and helpful to be exposed to. Now, I say that as a person who gets to choose
00:06:12.140 the amount of time they spend around children, but I enjoy it. I always come away from it,
00:06:17.060 you know, satisfied in some way. And that's why I'm satisfied with my bathtub. So it's really
00:06:22.500 a mix. I think we can be satisfied by children and bathtubs in equal measure. Exactly. Yeah.
00:06:28.620 It's key to my mental health. Let me tell you. Yeah. No, exactly. Well, you know, I did a lot.
00:06:33.040 I don't bath here because the bath is in the kids' bathroom and it's disgusting. But Casey and I did
00:06:38.620 a lot of hot springing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Submerged in any water. I mean, obviously being submerged
00:06:43.920 in cold water, which is extraordinarily, it makes you feel so healthy. Like it's just amazing. It's
00:06:50.720 different experience than a hot bath but man being submerged in water is so like it's satisfying
00:06:58.720 and i think really fundamental like it removes your awareness of your body in a different way
00:07:02.940 that i would suggest so totally is a good idea absolutely absolutely so yeah so those are really
00:07:10.400 my my big ones i mean i have work ones but i that's that feels totally separate for me i mean
00:07:17.740 i've been telling people my goal for 2025 is money and there's truth to that but i was really
00:07:22.940 thinking it through the other day because money sounds a little cynical and certainly i don't
00:07:26.800 think it does i will tell you like i don't think any man would would say that i don't either but
00:07:31.800 i think what i really am trying to say when i say money is i is i want security like i am craving
00:07:38.280 some degree of security whether that's you know home ownership or like some stability that comes
00:07:46.500 with having money which i think is different than saying which is like different than the
00:07:50.900 get rich mentality and so i was really thinking through what it is i want money for and um
00:07:57.320 and it is a sense of security and and to be clear like one or two you know clothing items i would
00:08:04.140 like to purchase some great caftans yeah yeah you know oh my god casey got me the best yellow
00:08:09.800 caftan from marrakech really yeah i forgot they went to marrakech yeah they just got back they
00:08:15.920 got back and um yeah so it's it's great i mean it's it's the yellow of me and so when she picked
00:08:21.980 it up steven's like that's for joe right and she's like yes yes it's nice to have a couple shopping
00:08:26.700 for you i mean steven also has great taste so i'd be the win-win i can't wait to see it he also he
00:08:32.700 got nick for christmas um some little moroccan slipper booties nice i know i've never been to
00:08:39.380 marrakesh i'd love to i haven't either i'd love to go and talk to nick about it because i think
00:08:42.560 he's planning it for my birthday next year and you should just come oh well obviously yeah yeah
00:08:47.960 so um that sounds that that sounds lovely can we just talk about that for a second because we were
00:08:52.380 just talking about plans for christmas um and i'm sensitive to a lot of people out there who don't
00:08:57.780 have family to spend christmas with and might be feeling a little lonely is my suggestion is don't
00:09:05.220 wait for an invite that i often just tell people that i'm coming i'm coming not in a way that's
00:09:12.800 like can't you know i'm alone i don't even say i'm alone i'm i think i said are you here for
00:09:19.080 christmas can i come over for dinner like i'm fairly direct about it and i and i think that's
00:09:25.780 helpful and obviously it would it's never an issue but i not obviously maybe like maybe people do
00:09:31.480 worry but i would suggest to anyone who's like i don't know what i'm i don't know how i'm spending
00:09:34.940 the holidays or I don't have anyone to spend the holidays with. Or I don't or yeah, just
00:09:39.120 I don't want to inviting yourself. Yeah. It's just to tell people we're so conditioned that
00:09:44.240 that is bad form. But like you're inviting yourself to a wedding where they've already
00:09:47.680 planned the seating. I would just reach out to people and say, like, are you here? Can I come
00:09:52.660 over? Because there are, you know, a lot of I think generally people want you there.
00:09:57.520 Most people want you there. Most people want you there. And if you're a grown up, you have a good
00:10:00.960 sense of whether or not you're inviting yourself into a place that is you know desirous of your
00:10:05.940 of you of you or not yes yeah but i would never have any comments about it no i'm sure i've told
00:10:13.020 you in the past i'm coming over you have you have and i've said great i'll see you in a few minutes
00:10:17.700 or 90 the 90 minutes that it takes you to get on the m track to get here yeah yeah totally totally
00:10:24.020 um i love all of this for us in in the new year i'm very very excited about it i'm also embracing
00:10:30.680 rest and doing less because as you know yeah i do i do too much you are you have been doing a truly
00:10:37.140 extraordinary amount of work and i have like yeah um but like but like you i mean i
00:10:45.520 you know my star signs are very very desirous of security as you've told me many times
00:10:52.120 and actually fun fun fact the second half of this episode we're talking to
00:10:56.440 ophira uh one half of the astro twins my favorite astrologer oh yes she's coming on to tell us all
00:11:03.760 of the things uh that we can expect from this in the stars in 2025 i love a horoscope reading i
00:11:09.860 know i know and um but like i also want security and money because i think that money especially 0.81
00:11:18.040 as women and this is this is what concerns me the most about the trad wife movement and so much of
00:11:23.980 the conservative ideologies to get women out of the workforce and back in the home. 1.00
00:11:28.040 Women need money. 1.00
00:11:29.160 We just need money to be our fullest selves, to support ourselves, to support our children. 1.00
00:11:35.940 And, you know, money makes a huge freaking difference.
00:11:39.280 And so, yeah, money and security and putting that out there for 2025 as well.
00:11:42.960 Particularly as we know that so many jobs, fewer and fewer jobs are salaried jobs with
00:11:48.000 benefits.
00:11:48.440 and as we know from the news of the last three weeks and the ceo uh killing health insurance in
00:11:56.400 this country is oh my god oh my god and yeah just the ability when we talk about security and
00:12:01.320 financial security it's like the ability to go to the doctor and not wonder if it's you're going to
00:12:07.340 be bankrupt by doing a follow-up on your mammogram that has a cloudy spot on it like that feels like
00:12:11.960 it should be a human right but when we talk about money tying it to that like that sense of security
00:12:17.640 Like, can I just go to the doctor?
00:12:19.080 Can I take my kids?
00:12:20.440 All of that.
00:12:20.900 Can I just go to the doctor?
00:12:21.800 Exactly.
00:12:22.200 You know, I went to get a pelvic ultrasound yesterday because I was having like a little
00:12:28.540 pinchy in my ovary and ovarian cancer.
00:12:32.080 You know, it scares me.
00:12:33.600 Yeah.
00:12:34.000 And my gynecologist recommended this.
00:12:37.240 I go there.
00:12:38.580 The woman checking me in, who's so sweet, by the way, because most people who work in 1.00
00:12:41.620 the hospitals are so freaking sweet. 0.99
00:12:43.680 They're all amazing.
00:12:45.040 Amazing.
00:12:45.620 They're amazing.
00:12:46.000 And they want to help.
00:12:47.020 like right down to doctors but they all they are all horrified by the health insurance too
00:12:51.800 yeah exactly and so uh she's like oh my gosh you need a referral from your primary and i'm like
00:12:56.840 my primary is essentially my og ob gyn like i do have a primary and she's like no yeah the
00:13:02.260 insurance isn't going to cover it unless we get this and she was so nice and worked it out but
00:13:05.640 you know as she's saying it i'm just like in my head i'm like oh my god like and she's like she
00:13:10.860 was so apologetic and i'm like yeah like this is insane like and i got the results back and i have
00:13:16.500 this form of endometriosis that we didn't know about. Wow. It's definitely causing me my big
00:13:21.060 periods, my pain and stuff. And I'm and that they're like, oh, we're really glad that we know
00:13:25.480 this. And I'm like, otherwise I wouldn't have known. And I don't want to be afraid of getting
00:13:30.940 these things. So, yeah, money is security because no one's giving us health insurance anymore like
00:13:35.500 that. Health insurance attached to a company is gone. And that's just something that lawmakers
00:13:40.560 are not addressing. Yeah. Yes. Not at all. And also, we don't live the life where we're attached
00:13:45.760 to a company and paying it out. And even when you are, it doesn't cover anything, but paying it out
00:13:50.720 of thousands of dollars a month. I mean, we all know this, but so I just, I thought it was helpful
00:13:55.780 to me instead of saying like money to really think about what that money does signifies. Like,
00:14:03.460 why am I so focused on it? And not as a way to apologize for wanting money, but to really just
00:14:08.660 be like, what are the gaps in my life that I am trying to solve that can only be solved financially?
00:14:13.260 and then what are the next steps to achieving that you know right down to an only fans account
00:14:20.420 if i had nice feet which i don't so i think that that's probably not going to happen no that's
00:14:23.980 not going to happen to be a 50 year old woman in america with by all appearances a very successful
00:14:30.880 career who's still thinking like how do i make money by sexualizing make money off of men by 0.98
00:14:37.420 sexualizing my body to some extent like that is the route still any degree of financial security
00:14:42.380 is really telling anyway let's end on a positive note joe because i refuse to go into 2025
00:14:48.620 no we're going we're going in with a bang with a happy bang girlfriend energy energy energy big
00:14:55.900 big sicilian energy yes big yeah like i'm here i'm a lot i'm big i'm happy yeah because i am happy
00:15:04.400 that's the thing like i want to not relinquishing my i'm not relinquishing my power or my enjoyment
00:15:09.500 of my life. Like, nope, nope, nope. They love this for us. They love it for everyone. I hope
00:15:14.940 everyone does this. We agree. Ophira, I love having you here. I need you to tell me that it's all
00:15:31.080 going to be okay in 2025. It's going to be okay-ish. We'll all be okay. We'll all be okay.
00:15:40.500 We'll be okay, but we got to get the surfboards out. It's going to be a lot of interesting twists
00:15:44.580 and turns. Twists and turns. Okay. So talk to me a little bit about what you are seeing in the stars,
00:15:52.980 in the universe for us caregivers, for us mothers, for us women who are just struggling to stay
00:16:03.100 afloat in the world. Yes. Well, in that regard, it is a very good year because the second half
00:16:10.340 of the year, we have Jupiter, the planet of luck, moving into cancer, which is a sign of 0.99
00:16:15.740 mothers and families. So Jupiter is also expansion and new horizons, home. So I think new living,
00:16:26.400 I mean, we're already seeing like co-housing, co-living, all these interesting things happening 0.99
00:16:31.720 where people are like, I can't do this shit alone. I can't even do it with five people helping. So 0.96
00:16:37.620 I'm going to move to a commune. I'm not saying we're all going to move to communes, but I'm not
00:16:43.220 saying we're not either. Okay. Okay. Look, I mean, and I don't think you have to go so far as to move
00:16:48.820 to a commune, but I think that we can make the choice to build our village, to move closer to
00:16:56.680 the friends and the family that enhance our lives, right? Yeah. I mean, one of my friends,
00:17:04.360 for example, gets together with a couple of their moms because they're all solo moms,
00:17:09.600 not because they're women and moms. And they pay a private chef to make meals for all of their kids
00:17:15.720 and distribute it in Tupperware. Small thing. In our 2025 Horoscope book, we also wrote about
00:17:24.420 trends with the workplace. And I actually think that offices are going to have to start becoming
00:17:30.820 a little bit more like homes too, having those amenities that like a luxury high-rise apartment
00:17:39.260 building might. Oh, explain, explain to me why you why why you think that is. And I love that
00:17:45.940 as well. Well, and also not just amenities for dudes. Okay, because for so long, I mean, I worked
00:17:51.800 in tech right in Silicon Valley. And that office was lovely for 20 something bros. But I'm not
00:17:58.240 gonna fucking play foosball. No, we're not talking about beer on tap IPA on tap. No, no, no, bro 0.97
00:18:06.440 benefits. You know what I'd love? I'd love to be able to get my nails done and my hair freaking
00:18:10.740 cut in the office. Well, exactly. I mean, think about women being such an important part of the 0.90
00:18:15.180 workforce, whether we're valued and paid what we deserve. That's another issue, which will probably 1.00
00:18:20.700 come up in 2025 as well. But, you know, if you want to retain top talent in a company, they're
00:18:27.980 having a real hard time doing that. Because after the pandemic, we got used to working at home. You
00:18:33.140 want to bring us back to the office, you better bring all the comforts of home back. You better
00:18:37.840 have a chef, someone making the meals that we can take home to our families. Yeah, hair and nails, 1.00
00:18:44.860 anything that women have to do outside of the office that we can't squeeze in 1.00
00:18:50.800 when we're not working from home. I predict we're going to see companies, 1.00
00:18:55.620 a few, but adding those in. Yeah. And I think not just
00:19:03.140 supporting people while they're in the office, but supporting people outside of the office,
00:19:08.020 right? I don't necessarily need a chef to make meals for me. I want something to take home to
00:19:13.220 my kids so I don't have to freaking cook. Well, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
00:19:17.660 Making it easier for you to have a family and a home and a life if you're going to leave them to
00:19:23.820 come back to the office, because a lot of people aren't. They can choose not to. So it's like,
00:19:28.440 make it worth my while to come back in. Make it worth my while to come back in. Do you think
00:19:34.680 that going forward into the next year, as a lot of women are being asked to come back into the
00:19:39.720 office, and frankly, I know so many people, especially in media, are being asked to come 0.90
00:19:44.740 back in four days a week. Can they and should they be using that as leverage? Should they be saying,
00:19:50.460 well, this is what I want and I need? And it's not like most companies probably aren't going to hire
00:19:54.620 a personal chef, but they could have amenities like we'll get you discounts on things like
00:19:59.540 HelloFresh or food delivery services, or we'll even, you know, fully subsidize something like
00:20:04.900 that. Like, should people start suggesting that more? I mean, obviously it depends on how much
00:20:10.060 clout you have. So either before, if you're really in the running and wanted and you have that level
00:20:17.200 of leverage, yes. And if not, maybe when you're back in, be the person who organizes your
00:20:24.140 co-workers to make that happen as well. It's just not going to work. The old models are not going
00:20:31.200 to work in 2025 and beyond. We're done with the last 16 years, which was very corporate and
00:20:37.780 hierarchical with Pluto and Capricorn. Now the next 19 years, we have Pluto, which is the
00:20:44.460 transformational planet in Aquarius, which is about communal, cooperative, working together
00:20:52.380 models. Yeah. I like that. I like that. What else? What else do we have to look forward to?
00:20:59.920 But then also, what else should we look out for? Like, what should we be like? Okay. Okay. Yeah.
00:21:04.640 I saw this coming. I'm prepared for it. Yeah. I mean, kind of what we're already seeing now,
00:21:10.120 a lot of people's anger being taken into their own hands, feeling frustrated at systems,
00:21:15.700 at companies, at not being heard. We have two planets going into Aries, which is about
00:21:24.040 individuality and anger and speaking up. So people are not going to be quiet about their discontent
00:21:30.820 with things. And we're also going into a period we haven't seen since the early 1940s of progress
00:21:39.600 and technology so there is definitely going to be a big big no surprise but ai revolution
00:21:46.400 and we are going to see some people rolling with it and other people being like this is a point
00:21:52.020 where i really feel like i got left behind so a lot of that divide is going to come up
00:21:58.280 and we're going to have to fix it collectively but the technology and the progress is not going
00:22:03.840 to slip hold on one second no worries all right start start with start with we're gonna have to
00:22:10.020 fix it collectively okay we're gonna have to fix it collectively because the technology and the
00:22:15.120 progress is not going to slow down no it's not it's not you know i hate ai for a lot of reasons
00:22:23.340 as a writer well as a writer i have seen it replace a lot of jobs and i'm seeing it replace
00:22:33.260 a lot of the things that lower level interns or assistants used to do, which is work that matters,
00:22:41.560 because that's how you train to get the bigger job. Yeah, that's how you learn the fundamentals.
00:22:46.500 That's how you learn the fundamentals. Right, you can't just get on the roller coaster halfway up
00:22:51.520 the hill. No, you can't. And so that's, I mean, so much of it is concerning to me. But there are
00:22:56.720 also so many efficiency hacks and I embrace it in certain things. And I think that we have to
00:23:04.660 because it is, you know, embrace things, figure out how to integrate them into your lives or be
00:23:10.120 left behind. Totally. I mean, Jupiter, which is the planet that rules higher education and growth,
00:23:17.700 entrepreneurship, all the things that we do that progress, is in the two signs that rule
00:23:24.380 childhood this year, Gemini and cancer, family childhood. So, you know, figuring out how kids
00:23:31.920 learn these things, how young people learn things, how to, I think we're going to see a rise in
00:23:38.120 homeschooling in the second half of the year in the fall of 2025, probably to do with a lot of
00:23:44.560 that Aries anger and safety and, you know, even gun control issues with ghost guns and everything.
00:23:52.700 We're already seeing that. So I do think a lot of a certain contingency of parents are going to be
00:23:59.520 like, I don't trust any of these systems. I need to bring it on home. Right. Gets into the scary
00:24:06.120 trad wife thing, too. We don't need to have a ballerina farm for that. You know, I gotta say 1.00
00:24:12.420 ballerina farm really did a pivot, really did a pivot recently where she is saying that she
00:24:18.560 is a business woman as opposed to a housewife, which I, which I appreciate. I respect that. I
00:24:25.460 was like, okay, yeah, let's, let's quit with the smoke and mirrors. You're a content creator.
00:24:30.620 You're a content creator. You're running a business. You're a CEO. Own that. Okay. Don't
00:24:34.200 pretend otherwise because other, other women will follow suit and think that a man is the plan. 1.00
00:24:41.280 Oh my God. Yes. And that is definitely not the direction we're going with Jupiter in cancer, 1.00
00:24:48.020 The sign of women from June 9th on in 2025, the man is the opposite of the plan. 0.66
00:24:54.160 Saturn, the planet of restriction, is an Aries, which is a more masculine zodiac sign in the stereotypical sense. 0.84
00:25:02.340 So women are definitely going to be running things, even if not in the White House, particularly in the second half of the year. 1.00
00:25:11.160 Great. That's what I want to hear. 1.00
00:25:12.760 That's the hope we need right now.
00:25:15.300 It really is.
00:25:16.220 It really is.
00:25:19.020 Ovi, thank you so much for being here.
00:25:20.660 Where can people find you?
00:25:22.160 Astro Twins on Instagram and astrostyle.com.
00:25:26.880 Brilliant.
00:25:48.020 Thank you.