Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - November 21, 2024


Restoring Sanity in a Digital World

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00:00:00.000 Hey, y'all. Jo here, and you are listening to Under the Influence. I want to start this
00:00:13.240 episode by talking about something that was crazy-ass bananas that happened to me this
00:00:20.260 week, and it's partially the reason why I wanted to run this episode today. I posted
00:00:26.120 something on my Instagram account that was vaguely critical of the Trump administration.
00:00:32.600 And honestly, only vaguely critical. Like, not even as critical as I can get when I'm in my
00:00:38.640 moments, or frankly, when I'm in my cups. I posted a picture that Donnie Trump had shared of him,
00:00:44.980 his dad, Elon Musk, and RFK on a private plane eating McDonald's and drinking Coca-Cola.
00:00:52.540 and he made some joke about making America healthy again.
00:00:56.380 Now, a lot of people thought this was actually a joke.
00:01:00.200 And I think it was them just mocking all of the make America healthy women
00:01:04.400 who came out and supported them.
00:01:06.560 Because let's be honest, the Trump administration is so beholden to big food and big pharma, 0.98
00:01:12.260 there is no way that they're going to do what these Maha ladies want them to do. 1.00
00:01:16.940 Anyway, that's besides the point. 1.00
00:01:18.400 I post this picture with a caption of how I'm so confused about why the Maha ladies voted for them.
00:01:24.780 And all of a sudden, it goes crazy viral.
00:01:27.420 First off, the fact that that went viral, and nothing that I post about books or podcasts, none of that ever goes viral.
00:01:33.780 This went viral because it was outrage content, and that is what Instagram loves.
00:01:38.980 Instagram loves outrage, and we have to remember that every time that we open this app. We do.
00:01:44.920 So first off, it goes viral.
00:01:47.260 People are commenting left and right.
00:01:48.820 And then I get viciously attacked, viciously attacked by folks on the right, men and women,
00:01:56.960 but mostly men.
00:01:58.220 Some of them were bots. 1.00
00:01:59.460 Some of them may have been real people, just cretins living in their mother's freaking 1.00
00:02:03.220 basement or something. 1.00
00:02:04.600 And these attacks were very personal.
00:02:08.640 Instead of saying, no, you're wrong, they were just nasty. 0.96
00:02:12.040 They told me I was ugly. 1.00
00:02:13.080 They told me I was fat and homely and gross and that I didn't deserve to live. 0.99
00:02:18.540 I mean, the kind of stuff of not so bright high school bullies is what I was getting thrown at me. 0.99
00:02:24.300 And all I could think was I am a grown ass woman and I know why this is happening. 0.97
00:02:29.300 And I also have a ridiculous level of confidence and self-esteem. 0.96
00:02:34.180 And yet it still got under my skin. 1.00
00:02:36.440 It still made me feel like shit. 0.99
00:02:38.060 I still felt bad about myself. 0.99
00:02:39.940 I questioned how I looked.
00:02:41.300 I questioned the things I posted. I questioned everything. It's ridiculous. And if this kind of
00:02:48.540 online vitriol can impact me as a 44-year-old woman with a fully formed sense of self,
00:02:56.240 what can it do to a child who is using social media? Let's let that sink in for a minute,
00:03:03.840 okay? That's one of the reasons that we're talking to today's guest.
00:03:07.740 mark weinstein is a longtime tech executive he's worked in almost every iteration of of the web
00:03:14.480 and social media and he's recently written a book called restoring our sanity online
00:03:19.720 it delves into social media's unseen shadows the mental health impacts privacy concerns
00:03:26.760 and all of the societal pressures that it puts on us how can we protect our kids how can we
00:03:34.040 protect ourselves? What data are these social media companies slurping from us so that they
00:03:40.400 know how to turn us into their products and then to turn our children into their products? There's
00:03:44.960 a lot to dig into today. And I'm going to tell you, I don't actually agree with Mark on everything
00:03:50.800 and I push back on him a little bit, but it does lead to some good conversation.
00:03:57.340 So why is social media more addicting today? Why all of a sudden in the last six months,
00:04:02.660 a year, two months. Forget the election cycle. It's more than that. So it's because since Web
00:04:12.200 2 and since surveillance capitalism started, where all of a sudden Mark Zuckerberg, Eric Schmidt at
00:04:19.200 Google, everybody realized, Snap, Insta, even WhatsApp, because your data is slurped. If you're
00:04:27.020 on WhatsApp. Keep in mind, it's
00:04:29.000 owned by Facebook. They changed
00:04:31.040 their privacy policy in 2016
00:04:32.820 and again in 22.
00:04:35.000 They take as much data
00:04:36.820 off of your WhatsApp usage
00:04:38.660 as possible, including who you're talking to,
00:04:41.160 when you're talking to them, where you are, where
00:04:42.920 they are, anything they
00:04:44.900 can get. Now, they kick it inside
00:04:46.900 the encrypted conversation, but
00:04:48.840 on the outside, they get plenty.
00:04:51.440 So, which never happened before
00:04:53.020 at WhatsApp. The premise of,
00:04:54.640 the original premise of WhatsApp
00:04:57.020 And it's still the premise of telegraph and signal is that everything about you is private
00:05:02.940 and there's no slurping of any of that data.
00:05:06.860 Or Facebook or WhatsApp, this was the purpose.
00:05:09.860 And when you say slurping of data, what do you mean?
00:05:13.860 That means they're spying on you and they are collecting it.
00:05:17.100 The slurp is like a huge vacuum sucking all of your information.
00:05:23.220 everything you're talking about on the main platforms it's your global you know everything
00:05:29.300 you know meta facebook insta snap tiktok uh you know it's everything that you are doing where you
00:05:39.080 are what you're doing what you're talking about all the topics you know every your opinion your
00:05:44.940 your health your finances anything and everything at all is slurp it's vacuum it's sucked up it's
00:05:52.140 put into the huge we call this the data ecosystem and your your your package and all there's a data
00:05:59.500 packet on you there was a reporter at the guardian a few years ago just asked facebook because a
00:06:05.760 regular person can i get my data please they gave him 60 000 pages of data on one human being so
00:06:13.420 that's what i mean now all of this is put into you know a supercharged you know ai system
00:06:19.660 where it's analyzed and today and the algorithm is constantly watching you constantly deciding
00:06:27.820 you know what you're going to see remember your news feed is what we call curate
00:06:32.000 in all of these which means that the site the application that you're at is deciding
00:06:38.300 what you're going to see next it's not timeline order so you know if your mom or your best friend
00:06:44.140 or your kid whoever it is just posted something you're not going to see that unless the site
00:06:49.660 has recognized the algorithm thinks that that's going to keep you engaged.
00:06:54.420 Otherwise, they're going to feed you something else.
00:06:56.600 And they know your predictability is so massive.
00:07:00.060 They know.
00:07:01.100 And they are doing, Joe, they're doing what's called A-B testing.
00:07:04.180 Now with the AI algorithm, nanoseconds.
00:07:08.740 So why are people so hooked more than ever and spending more time
00:07:12.400 and finding it so entertaining they can't put it down?
00:07:15.840 It's because AI has supercharged the algorithms
00:07:19.360 that were already learning algorithms that were programmed now ai supercharges because ai is
00:07:24.700 learning about you in real time in nanoseconds and here's you want to end the mysterious thing
00:07:31.880 yeah these sites can anticipate your thought before you take them now so they can anticipate
00:07:39.600 what is going to keep you hooked and this is why all of a sudden and joe every interview i do
00:07:48.680 You know, the interviewer invariably says, Mark, you know, like my uncle, my parents, my, you know, somebody.
00:07:55.260 It's like they're hot.
00:07:57.180 All of a sudden, they kick it off.
00:07:58.600 They're up for an hour at a time.
00:07:59.780 It's like, you know, I never saw this before.
00:08:01.840 This is what's happening.
00:08:03.060 And it's also that, remember, the longer that we stay on any of these apps, the more that they can boost content, which they're paid to do.
00:08:11.800 Remember, boosted content means somebody paid them to target and boost, and they get paid based on the boosting.
00:08:19.720 So they target us, ads, boosted content, they're swaying our political opinions, it's everything.
00:08:27.560 So our purchases, our thoughts, our opinions, our votes, all of this is manipulated by those that are paying.
00:08:38.140 And it's very simple. If you think about it, this is what capitalism looks like when it gets a little distorted. And what that means is we are the customer no longer. We're actually the product sold to the customer. The customer is the advertiser, the marketer, the political operative, the adversarial nefarious bots and trolls being paid for by an adversarial country, et cetera.
00:09:06.860 so this is the state and our kids you know oh my god for our kids because remember you're gonna be
00:09:14.700 a kid you're gonna be a 10 year old and you can tell a site you're 22 they should join but it's
00:09:22.200 all voluntary they don't have you're not you're not uploading your passport or an id if you say
00:09:27.500 you're 22 okay that's what they're going to see you as 22 so it's you know it's all a mess
00:09:34.420 i want to take a quick break here and when we get back i want to dig into
00:09:40.040 what can we do right now to save kids from the harms of social media
00:09:46.140 okay we are back now let's talk about the kids all right so kids this is the most important thing
00:10:00.020 And, you know, if you haven't picked up for everybody listening, you know, pick up Jonathan Hades, The Anxious Generation.
00:10:07.260 It really spells it out for what's happening.
00:10:09.880 Now, what can we do about this?
00:10:11.760 First of all, you know, and, you know, if you're a parent or, you know, you know, kids anywhere, kids have a fundamental way of being in the world, which is that it doesn't matter what you say to them.
00:10:25.460 It's what you do, what you roll out.
00:10:28.880 This is really critical.
00:10:31.440 So if you're using your phone at the dinner table or the breakfast table and you can't
00:10:35.240 get off it and then you're entertained by TikTok and, you know, it's that you can't
00:10:40.040 get off it, even though when you're with them and you're telling them they can't have a
00:10:43.640 phone, you know, or they can't do this, they can't do that, or you're using your phone
00:10:47.020 in your bedroom with that, you know, listen, got to change your behavior.
00:10:52.360 Grownups, we've got to change our behavior.
00:10:54.600 So we've got to put the phones away.
00:10:57.940 No phones in the bedroom.
00:10:59.400 No phones at bedtime and afterwards.
00:11:02.140 Phones are all charged in a single place.
00:11:05.100 Everybody's phone gets charged, maybe in the kitchen, somewhere away.
00:11:09.180 And if you have to, everybody's phone gets locked up for the night.
00:11:12.300 So you all understand if you've got some emergency, you've got to watch for it.
00:11:16.900 But aside from that, when you're with your kids, phones off.
00:11:20.120 And here's the thing.
00:11:21.240 If you've got young kids and babies, the studies are utterly conclusive, Joel.
00:11:27.480 the screen is addictive immediately and we all see this so in sweden they're just uh you know
00:11:34.720 the pediatric association just recommended that the government make a new law that no child under
00:11:40.800 two see a television or a phone or an ipad no screen time whatsoever and for all of us if you're
00:11:48.880 taking your kids out to a restaurant or you're on a drive and you think you've got to entertain them
00:11:53.680 with a phone so that you can have peace of mind that is a short-term fix for a long-term disaster
00:12:01.160 because we can see it kids well how how how so i mean i do like to talk i mean we have a lot of
00:12:08.760 parents uh who listen to this show and i try not to give prescriptions that are all or nothing
00:12:17.840 really i mean because many of us raising young kids it is i mean we we got it we got to do
00:12:25.500 whatever we've got to do at this point and so we do try to talk i disagree with you um i do think
00:12:32.420 and you're sticking a phone in front of a kid because that's what's convenient for you instead
00:12:37.760 of looks now look with my kids it's simple you know long drive the drive is an hour and a half
00:12:43.440 for more then they get screen time but they get you know it's selected right they get a half that
00:12:48.840 is screen that is screen time yeah that's but these are not young they're not two right but
00:12:53.920 how old how old how old are those kids half hour on i don't talk about my kids on the show except
00:12:58.640 to say that i have kids so but they're not teenagers yet but it's a half hour on a half
00:13:05.640 hour off because then we talk about the world and talk about what they watch we actually look out
00:13:10.200 the window and we talk, even if we're in an industrial area. The point is that, you know,
00:13:15.820 it's that long time. My kids get what we call movie night on the weekend. They don't get screen
00:13:20.800 time during the week. And of course, in school, they have enough screen time already. So in a lot
00:13:25.640 of the math programs and a lot of, you know, they get a ton of screen time, but you want to make
00:13:30.560 sure that they're reading, they're doing. And again, you know, remember, Joe, we all had TVs
00:13:38.380 and phones yeah we did cell phones and so our parents had to regulate those so if your kids
00:13:44.180 are old enough where they could be talking to a friend on a phone then it's no different than it
00:13:49.200 was really in the old days and television you know when they're old enough you just regulate the time
00:13:54.880 because right now joe the studies are four to seven hours a day the kids are on their screens
00:14:02.540 separate from school uh you know and that's that's you know look yeah all the research in the world
00:14:09.320 says that's a bit much unless your kid is going to be a programmer also you want to be mindful
00:14:15.140 there's all about mindfulness too about what you're letting them watch even you too without
00:14:20.840 supervision can be unhealthy for them because they're able to find stuff that maybe you were
00:14:27.340 never able to find as a kid and they're able to see stuff that maybe you don't want them to see
00:14:31.940 depending on what's age appropriate so i do and i do think that that's the key i think the
00:14:37.620 mindfulness is the key and the moderation is the key uh i mean i do talk about my kids on on this
00:14:44.040 show very generally and i have a seven-year-old a five-year-old and a two-year-old and we're not
00:14:48.800 parking the two-year-old in front of a screen but we we do have screen time family movie night uh
00:14:56.680 There are particular things we do watch on YouTube.
00:15:02.140 And also, sometimes you're in a car and you're just like, or at a restaurant, honestly.
00:15:07.120 And you're like, yeah, this is what we're going to do now.
00:15:11.640 Well, Joe, we can disagree.
00:15:13.120 We can disagree.
00:15:14.500 For moderation.
00:15:15.720 And obviously, I've said that we have screen time.
00:15:17.800 We have movie nights on the weekends and on long drives.
00:15:20.640 but you know there are so many alternatives you know to uh you know putting a phone in front of
00:15:27.020 a kid and we have a rule that i raise my children with my children are both younger than yours and
00:15:32.520 older than yours um but you know we have a simple rule that there's no such thing as too many books
00:15:38.340 when i surround when they're babies i surround them with books and we you know we we roll bottom
00:15:43.660 for them reading books and we don't have the big tvs on in front of them um you know we finally
00:15:50.060 you broke, you know, we said, fine, you know, it used to be easy, you know, I understand babies
00:15:54.400 when you try to get their nails trimmed and they just go crazy. So we used to turn on the big
00:15:59.220 screen just so we could get their nails. And then we finally said, oh, you know, now we're breaking
00:16:04.380 our own rule here. So we do our best. Look, you do everybody. Well, and I think that's, I mean,
00:16:09.860 that's the thing. I think we're all just really doing our best. Well, some of us need to do
00:16:14.420 better because what happens is by the time they're 10 9 10 11 and it's play day time instead of using
00:16:22.740 their imagination or getting exercise you know they're into minecraft for the whole time or
00:16:29.340 they're into you know some screen the whole time and that's what we want to be careful of and again
00:16:35.040 everybody take a look at jonathan eight's book the anxious generation because what's happening is
00:16:40.260 there's also joe you know anxiety i don't know if you can get get john oh no i mean i talk about i
00:16:46.180 talk about this all the time yeah yeah yeah so you know listen i think we're paralleling here
00:16:50.700 i'm just reminding everybody that they're the the studies are you know and you're also
00:16:57.520 do what's right you're monitoring because they're on youtube you know they can find it they're on
00:17:03.880 TikTok, if you put a 13-year-old on TikTok and you don't filter their feed and you watch what
00:17:10.580 TikTok is feeding them, your jaw is going to drop by the second or third day if you look at their
00:17:18.100 feed. And this is TikTok. And I've written about this in Newsweek and on the Hill.
00:17:24.600 And I know so many of us, there's 100 million Americans on TikTok and many people are making
00:17:31.280 they're living on TikTok, but here's the asterisk. TikTok is a Chinese company. All of our biometrics
00:17:38.740 are being fed directly to the Chinese government. This is well-documented. You can stock check
00:17:43.000 anything I say, everybody. And the problem is there's propaganda coming in from China on TikTok,
00:17:50.840 and they have a purpose, which is to disrupt democracy. TikTok in China is all about STEM. 0.93
00:17:58.780 it's limited to 40 minutes a day everybody this is true tiktok 40 minutes a day in china and the
00:18:05.820 kids all want to be astronauts or scientists because the feed is different tiktok wouldn't
00:18:11.360 dare push through the feed around sexuality violence with it all the stuff that a kid might
00:18:18.360 see on an american tiktok besides the entertainment you know and the thing is remember we're all being
00:18:23.700 entertain, we just got to make sure that you're paying attention to what entertainment your kids
00:18:31.400 are getting. Yeah. I mean, I think that that's what we recommend as often as possible. Like I
00:18:36.280 said, mindfulness, moderation, watching things with your children. You did do a piece on what
00:18:43.760 laws, what regulations could be enacted to protect kids right now that are bipartisan, which is the
00:18:52.400 situation that we have to operate in uh these days what are those you know uh such a good
00:18:58.940 question everybody because uh what we're suffering in the united states like you know i was just in
00:19:04.720 in portugal i was speaking at web summit i had an audience of 15 000 people and then the crowd
00:19:11.800 and the eu cannot believe that as americans we don't have a privacy law not just protecting kids
00:19:19.120 We don't have a privacy law protecting adults.
00:19:22.220 So, and they're like, what?
00:19:24.600 You guys don't have this?
00:19:26.020 This is like, you know, it's just to them.
00:19:28.080 It's like, of course, everybody in the world would have this, especially in democracies.
00:19:32.660 So there's the, you know, the, well, first of all, for kids, the Kids Online Safety Act,
00:19:39.160 COSA, and COPPA, too, the Kids Online, you know, Protection Act.
00:19:46.200 So these were both passed by the Senate.
00:19:49.120 Bipartisan, you know, recently, the last couple of months, and they've been held up in the House.
00:19:56.740 And so what we want to do is encourage the House to get behind them, too.
00:20:01.220 Bipartisan, very important, so that we can really protect our kids so they can't be targeted.
00:20:06.200 So we really want our kids so that loose content can't get to them.
00:20:10.760 That's the key.
00:20:12.180 So we want them protected.
00:20:13.520 The American Privacy Rights Act, APRA, is also in committee, supported by Republicans and Democrats.
00:20:21.400 I'll be writing a piece, it'll come out in the next couple of weeks, about what President Trump can provide as his legacy, his tech legacy.
00:20:31.640 And I'll be talking about these, you know, bipartisan bills that he can get behind.
00:20:37.120 And also, you know, what's interesting, Joe, right now, and many of you talked about it, is the Australian government is about to, it looks like this will pass, they're about to introduce a bill, the prime minister is, to ban social media for all kids under the age of 16.
00:20:54.280 Now, it's my understanding, I think that Spain may already have that, but Australia's can do this.
00:20:59.200 And then they're also, as part of the bill, they're going to have a user verification.
00:21:05.260 It's called user ID verification so that, you know, kids are going to have to register in a very skinny way so that, you know, every kid can be verified for who they are, for how old they are.
00:21:17.820 Now, the answer of the web, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, has been working on this also because we're going to move to an era of online user ID verification because this is the only way, ultimately, to make sure that our kids are not on social media when they shouldn't be.
00:21:34.760 and that they're not targeted or manipulated.
00:21:38.160 The bots and trolls aren't also targeting all of us
00:21:41.740 and, frankly, creating a mess for civil discourse,
00:21:46.860 critical thinking, and democracy.
00:21:49.300 Because remember, everybody, we don't hate each other in America.
00:21:53.460 But with all the bots and trolls,
00:21:55.860 we'll see content paying because these adversarial countries pay.
00:22:00.120 A bot and a troll can have a credit card.
00:22:02.120 A bot and a troll can get a blue check or an X.
00:22:04.660 So we've got to get to regulation.
00:22:07.440 Now, I'm not saying that 16 is the target age.
00:22:12.240 Our Surgeon General has said that in the United States.
00:22:15.560 I think it's more realistic to go with 13.
00:22:19.360 You know, if you're under 13, you're not on.
00:22:21.240 And then if you're 13, again, user ID verification so that no creep can connect with you.
00:22:27.360 No 50-year-old can pretend to be a 13-year-old.
00:22:29.820 Can't get game, you know, because that's a mess.
00:22:32.260 and you can't have any boosted content and you're only going to connect to people that you know.
00:22:39.280 So I mean, all of all of that makes good sense. How would someone who's 13 or 16 verify their
00:22:45.940 age? How would how would they go about doing that? So these use a verification system. First
00:22:50.260 of all, FinTech already has them. So, you know, because everybody's got their bank accounts and
00:22:55.260 credit systems. Right. Of course. But for for someone so young. So these systems are being
00:23:01.320 developed and you know listen here's here's part of it joe is that they already know who we are
00:23:08.160 they already know who our kids are now who's that because i am one of the world's leading privacy
00:23:13.040 advocates i have been for well over a decade and i realized this is coming so i want to make sure
00:23:18.240 our privacy is protected while our anonymity is going to have to be sacrificed except for
00:23:24.160 whistleblowers marginalized people but not on social media that's different that's a different
00:23:28.860 conversation so first of all every kid that's born in the u.s gets a social security number
00:23:34.120 anyhow you know the data ecosystem the government you know social media companies you know google
00:23:41.900 uh you know everybody already knows who we are so what we want to do is very carefully
00:23:47.440 just make sure that we figure out how to get this user id parents are obviously going to have to be
00:23:54.480 involved in getting user ID verification for their kids.
00:23:58.860 It's obviously not going to be a kid doing it.
00:24:01.080 So a parent is going to have to register their kids.
00:24:03.620 Now, Joe, I can't answer exactly how yet.
00:24:06.460 I know the inventor of the web was a huge privacy advocate like I am.
00:24:10.500 It's actually how we first bonded.
00:24:12.460 And he's been advising me for 14 years.
00:24:15.200 I saw my friends with Tim Berners-Lee.
00:24:17.520 But we have to.
00:24:18.920 We have to have a way.
00:24:20.680 Also, we have to have a way so that imagine the opportunity to free the web of bots and trolls, also using AI in a very positive way, because AI can also help with the verification systems once they're in place.
00:24:36.580 And it's going to take a few years, cat and mouse, to get these right.
00:24:40.820 Now, I'm waiting to see what the Australian government proposes as their user ID verification system.
00:24:46.520 mm-hmm i want to take one more quick break and when we get back i want to talk about
00:24:53.720 how you often share the stage at these big conferences with the people at these social
00:24:59.960 media companies who who are tasked with with trying to protect our children but i don't think
00:25:05.260 that they're actually doing that and how do you converse with those people
00:25:09.200 you often share the stage at these big conferences with the people at these social
00:25:21.960 media companies who are tasked with trying to protect our children but i don't think that
00:25:26.260 they're actually doing that and how do you converse with those people all right so you know
00:25:31.960 it's fascinating right so i was just on a stage at web summit from portugal with i believe the
00:25:39.500 the head of the facebook oversight board and uh uh her first name is pamela um and you know she
00:25:48.660 is tasked theoretically independent facebook's oversight board they created a couple of years ago
00:25:54.600 as an independent oversight board monitoring you know what facebook is doing and providing you
00:26:01.240 know advice and suggestions now here's what i found uh is that these people in general are
00:26:10.520 corporate they are very uh brilliant at speaking so and so you hear all of this and you're like
00:26:20.280 oh wow that sounds really good they are so articulate but the bottom line is i don't see
00:26:27.400 any impact whatsoever so um it's you're you're right and look this they almost did perfectly
00:26:35.000 into the facebook model which is like recently when facebook announced voluntary you know teen
00:26:42.060 registration voluntary things for teenagers on instagram i'm sorry kids kids kids aren't going
00:26:47.900 to volunteer to do anything of course not right useless yeah that's the smoke screen that's the
00:26:53.160 at a smokescreen because they don't want any regulation.
00:26:57.600 They don't want user ID verification.
00:27:00.360 They don't want to lose the opportunity to target and manipulate every kid.
00:27:04.660 And they don't want to miss the opportunity to allow a kid who's 10 to register as a kid
00:27:09.120 who's 25.
00:27:10.480 Because it's all about, this is where the web went off the rails.
00:27:15.620 Remember earlier, everybody, we talked about surveillance capitalism.
00:27:18.820 Now, these companies make all their money and so much money.
00:27:23.940 Their profits are stupendous, incredible, by targeting us, by manipulating us, by serving ads, by serving content consistently all the time.
00:27:34.820 And, you know, once content became a big deal, so that boosted content is paid for, so they don't want to lose the opportunity.
00:27:42.740 it's all about shareholders owners investors unfortunately ethics are out the window which
00:27:51.400 is why with the companies i've built everybody which is why i get such important recognition
00:27:56.140 on the stages because by the way joe on those stages i'd call them out i call them out you know
00:28:03.260 uh it's like you know the facebook uh pamela was saying oh you know they're really careful now
00:28:08.740 about, you know, political boosted political content. And I said, hold on a second. The
00:28:14.240 election just ended and it's documented that, you know, Meta, Facebook took in hundreds of millions
00:28:19.900 of dollars in, you know, political ad money and just targeted their whole member base with all
00:28:25.800 that. So, you know, how can you say these things? So, but this is, this is the problem that we've
00:28:32.100 got to fix. My companies have always had privacy bill of rights. The data is protected. There's
00:28:37.180 no data packet created. Actually, me, we had never had ads or targeted boosted content,
00:28:43.540 timeline news feeds. And when we look at the formula for the future, by the way, there's real
00:28:49.180 hope, everybody, because the government, I think, is going to break out meta. Just like the government,
00:28:56.140 the U.S. government just found Google guilty of antitrust and wait to see what happens. We're
00:29:01.360 going to get new search engines. We're going to get, you know, the world's going to change. And
00:29:05.140 And with social media, we're going to get data portability, which means that you're
00:29:09.040 going to control your data.
00:29:10.300 You're going to decide if anybody can access it whatsoever.
00:29:12.820 And you're going to be able, instead of being stuck, like we all are, on these legacy companies
00:29:18.660 because of what's called the network effect, you'll be able to say, hey, family, let's
00:29:23.180 get out of here.
00:29:23.720 Let's get off middle.
00:29:24.580 Let's get off Facebook and let's go to this new company.
00:29:27.960 And you'll be able to download your content because there'll be a standard for it.
00:29:31.220 And you'll be able to upload your content seamlessly because there's going to be a standard for it, which will be unprecedented.
00:29:37.820 This is coming.
00:29:38.660 It's called data portability, data interoperability.
00:29:43.820 Interesting.
00:29:44.680 Interesting.
00:29:45.840 For parents of teenagers right now, what should they be doing when it comes to their teens' social media use if Pandora's box has already been opened?
00:29:57.000 I do think that I talk to a lot of parents who have kids the same age as mine, and we are going into this with eyes wide or open a lot of times. We have not allowed social media yet. A lot of us plan to not allow social media, but there are a lot of parents out there who didn't know the dangers. Their kids are on social media now. What can they do to just make this less dangerous?
00:30:23.220 you know everybody and i recognize the challenges here um you know because our kids are pulled in
00:30:32.240 by their peers at a certain age particularly around the teenage years where all of a sudden
00:30:37.140 you know they don't think their parents you know that we're as smart as we are you know because
00:30:41.900 so they've got that huge peer influence and this is where staying close to your kids and role
00:30:48.820 modeling is critical because this is the key where do as I say, not as I do becomes critically
00:30:54.680 important. And also now you've got a couple of things on the education side because now they're
00:31:00.560 being fed all this content and they're not really trained in critical thinking. So this is where you
00:31:06.740 can really step in and talk with your kids about what you're seeing, what they're seeing
00:31:11.980 on social media and start to teach them. It's got to come as best we can from us because the
00:31:18.600 Schools aren't really good at this yet.
00:31:20.420 Their critical thinking is coming, but we've lost it.
00:31:23.440 You want to teach them what really is bullying and what isn't bullying, how to critically
00:31:27.880 think about things that they're seeing, how to make good choices.
00:31:33.840 And unfortunately, there are a lot of examples that you can show.
00:31:38.280 Recently, there was sadly a 14-year-old kid who committed suicide after making friends
00:31:43.680 with an AI bot.
00:31:45.360 And so, you know, you've got to really show this to kids.
00:31:48.940 And don't just tell them, in this case, you want to show them the piece.
00:31:52.740 You want to show them that validity of what you're saying.
00:31:57.320 You know, I gave a talk once, you know, to a group of teenagers about this, about TikTok.
00:32:02.200 Earlier, a conversation about TikTok.
00:32:04.240 And I was talking about a group of teenagers.
00:32:05.760 Oh, they were like, you know, you don't know what you're talking about.
00:32:08.220 TikTok's great.
00:32:09.280 So, after the official talk, I sat them all down in front of my computer.
00:32:14.520 And I hit the links to everything that was on my nosey cardicle, all the hot links, and their jaws dropped.
00:32:23.440 Because they then learned.
00:32:25.940 It's not me telling them, this is actually the fact.
00:32:29.700 This is what's going on.
00:32:31.380 You know, that they're being manipulated purposely, you know, all these things.
00:32:34.960 So, you know, we've just got to be really astute, even if our kids aren't necessarily willing to listen.
00:32:42.740 and then also as hard as it may be you really got to keep the phone out of the bedroom because
00:32:48.920 where do those extra hours which for a teenager from five to seven hours those extra hours are
00:32:54.480 at night after 10 o'clock and the studies have just come out on the sleep deprivation
00:32:59.240 of our more mature teenagers they're not sleeping as much as they need to or as they used to
00:33:05.220 so you know and again we're going to have to be great role models and we're going to have to lock
00:33:10.560 up our phones if we lock up theirs. It can't just be your phone's locked up. It's got to be our
00:33:15.760 phones are locked up. We're in this together. And Joe, here's the beautiful thing. If you do this
00:33:20.900 for a couple of weeks, if you're going to handle the outrage at first, all it takes is about two
00:33:27.020 weeks. And then everybody's over it and everybody gets it. And actually, you're going to find a lot
00:33:33.080 more connectedness inside the house and inside your relationships. And they're going to start
00:33:39.700 to see the wisdom because they're also growing up. And this is, you know, your big opportunity
00:33:44.420 to be their peer in a certain way, their parent peer that they can come back to respecting and
00:33:53.520 they can see that you're in their best interest. Also, they'll be able to see the impact on their
00:33:58.380 friends, the addiction, the inability to let it go, all these things. They're going to see
00:34:03.980 everything so you know remember get back to being their you know best friend as their parent
00:34:11.380 and parenting them and get through the tough part it will work i promise you
00:34:17.220 this is great uh tell everyone where they can find you and find your book
00:34:23.700 great thank you so everybody listen uh you can find me i have a website markweinsteininventor.com
00:34:33.220 and my last name is spelled W-E-I-N-S-T-E-I-N
00:34:38.000 and it's M-A-R-K, markysteininventure.com.
00:34:41.400 You can email me, mark at restoretheweb.com,
00:34:46.460 mark at restoretheweb.com.
00:34:48.260 The book, Restoring Our Sanity Online,
00:34:51.120 a revolutionary social framework,
00:34:53.660 is available wherever books are sold.
00:34:55.800 So thank you, everybody.
00:34:58.200 Thanks so much.
00:34:59.920 And that is all we have for today.
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