Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - May 12, 2024


Sunday Nice Things: The Magic of Audiobooks

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00:00:00.640 I don't think I can be your friend, Isabella said.
00:00:04.060 Rebecca's stomach flipped.
00:00:06.340 This is the love story of real hinge couple Isabella and Rebecca,
00:00:09.900 written and read by me, Temi Denton-Hurst.
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00:00:58.240 especially for the audiobook junkies out there. I am an audio nerd, as you probably know,
00:01:04.060 because I make this podcast and many other podcasts. And I love audiobooks. I especially
00:01:10.940 love audiobooks during this phase of my life. I've talked to a lot of people in the publishing
00:01:15.640 industry who say things like, oh, the moms of small children don't read. And so they don't
00:01:23.080 typically market books to us. And that's bullshit. I think a lot of us want to read. We do. But yes, 0.99
00:01:31.400 our time is constricted. And so we've seen the audiobook sales for the Sicilian inheritance
00:01:35.740 completely skyrocket because a lot of us want to multitask. And so people are telling me that
00:01:41.960 they're reading the book at the same time as they're listening to the audiobook and they're
00:01:45.720 toggling between the two. And that brings me so much joy because I put a lot of time into this
00:01:51.020 audiobook. I got the wonderful job of auditioning a lot of different audiobook narrators because I
00:01:57.580 am personally picky. If I don't like someone's voice in an audiobook, I DNF. I do not finish,
00:02:03.520 and I do this all of the time. So it was very important to me that the narrators of both Sarah
00:02:07.840 and Serafina really made the story come alive. And in the present day, our narrator for Sarah
00:02:14.320 is a wonderful, wonderful voice actress named Rachel Hirsch. And I asked Rachel to come on
00:02:20.280 the show today to tell you a little bit about what goes into making an audiobook because I do
00:02:26.060 think that this is one of those jobs a lot of us don't know that much about and I think it is so
00:02:30.980 important to highlight all different kinds of labor that women do. I am Rachel F. Hirsch. I'm
00:02:38.120 an audiobook narrator and theater performer and musician and theater producer and I narrated one
00:02:47.280 of your most recent book. You did. You did. All right. So talk to me about the experience of
00:02:53.240 narrating The Sicilian Inheritance. I think this is so fun because we have a lot of listeners of
00:02:59.920 the podcast who are huge audiobook fans, as am I. And we kind of just want to know the tea.
00:03:06.100 Like, how do you get ready to narrate an audiobook? For me, it's a pretty extensive process.
00:03:12.800 us. I first I find out if there are any notes from the author or producer that I need to keep
00:03:19.460 in mind as I'm prepping. And then I read through the whole book and I'm taking pretty detailed
00:03:25.080 notes, marking down every new character that I come across, any details that are in the in the
00:03:30.380 text about their voice, about the way they look, anything about their personality that can give me
00:03:35.660 some hints as to how I might come up with a voice for them. And also marking down any important
00:03:43.800 plot details that I want to keep in mind. And I'm also marking, in this case, there were two
00:03:51.960 narrators. And so I'm marking down which chapters I'm actually speaking in. And then I start to
00:03:56.740 think about the voices. And then when I go into the booth, I'm recording and self-directing,
00:04:02.840 And I'm also engineering my session most of the time.
00:04:07.000 Every once in a while I'm called into a studio and there's an engineer or director there or I'm, you know, there's somebody kind of patching into where into my studio.
00:04:17.800 But most of the time I'm just doing it all on my own and I'm working off of those notes alongside the script.
00:04:24.600 And as I come up with voices for each character, I pull a little MP3 sample of that voice and I keep kind of a voice bank.
00:04:31.360 So when that character comes up again and I've marked which chapters every character shows up in, so I kind of have a heads up right before recording a new chapter, I can reference those audio samples so that I can make sure it's consistent throughout the book.
00:04:45.720 And were there any characters that you found kind of difficult?
00:04:49.580 I mean, we have, we're traveling to Sicily here, right?
00:04:52.840 So was it tricky to nail some of the Italian folks?
00:04:58.000 you know for me i lived in italy for a little while um and i speak italian and i spent quite
00:05:05.440 a bit of time in southern italy a little bit of time in sicily and so with your writing it was
00:05:10.700 so vivid i really felt like i was just dropped right back into these places that i've been
00:05:15.440 before and so they surprisingly i guess perhaps to your listeners um that came fairly naturally
00:05:23.180 for me. I also am tasked with recording a lot of books that take place in Italy and Italian
00:05:30.660 characters. And so I just I don't know, at this point, that does feel pretty, pretty natural.
00:05:36.560 It's always really fun for me. But certainly something that does come up, even though I speak
00:05:42.880 Italian and in the case of your book, there's a lot of Sicilian, which is different than sort of
00:05:47.540 standard italian and not a language that i'm familiar with um i did a lot of sort of double
00:05:53.160 checking to make sure my pronunciations not just of italian words but of accents were really
00:05:57.620 consistent uh throughout so that was tricky i don't know about specific characters that felt
00:06:03.380 particularly hard um i would say something i always you know if there are like maybe some of
00:06:10.360 the gruffer folks in the book there are some gruff folks yeah yeah yeah yeah and you can hear
00:06:16.140 my voice is like pretty high set um and smooth and so i have to do a lot of work to kind of give
00:06:21.360 that texture but also make sure that i'm differentiating between the various gruff folks
00:06:26.460 that they don't all sound the same um so that's probably the biggest challenge i had in terms of
00:06:31.420 building characters were for your book like they don't all sound like my like trashy dude voice
00:06:37.020 when i'm like hey yo right right yeah they're all individuals with their own personalities even if
00:06:42.880 there are you know some uh some similarities and just because of the world that they're existing
00:06:48.980 in um it still feels really important at least with the listener to make sure they know who's
00:06:54.660 talking all the time and for me to just as the actor portraying them to make sure that i'm giving
00:07:00.560 them i'm creating real real people and not just a single caricature that i'm replicating from
00:07:06.040 person to person well you know oh hold on one second sorry i accidentally opened the video i
00:07:11.320 did not mean to do that um so when when you're about to work on a book and get ready for an
00:07:18.380 audiobook are you able to enjoy the book too or does it feel like work oh that's a really good
00:07:24.020 question um I do enjoy it I think also I don't know if it's because I've been doing this so long
00:07:31.260 or just like as I get older my attention span gets shorter I find that taking the notes in the way
00:07:37.500 that I do is actually really helpful in my enjoyment because I can keep track of what's
00:07:42.520 going on. Whereas if I'm not, you know, books that I'm reading just for pleasure and not for
00:07:46.740 work, I do tend to have to go, you know, sometimes I kind of start to lose focus and need to go back.
00:07:52.820 So I think, I don't know, again, it might just be that I've now trained my brain to only work
00:07:57.820 that way, but it does feel really enjoyable for me. Plus I'm a big note taker in general. Like
00:08:02.920 that's just that is a thing I enjoy I think I'm a big nerd um so I like that the whole process is
00:08:09.800 really is really fun for me and I am able to kind of I don't know I guess as an actor like building
00:08:15.820 and creating characters and thinking how I want to play them is so enjoyable that while I'm reading
00:08:22.480 I get like this added level of experience with the book because I'm also exploring it in this
00:08:28.720 other way as i prepare it for performance i love that i love that um was there anything
00:08:35.980 about the sicilian inheritance that you particularly liked doing oh wow um so much
00:08:43.120 i loved juicy she's oh isn't juicy the best character ever so great and it was so fun to
00:08:49.960 play with her um her personality is just so there's just so much to work with there from
00:08:55.540 an acting perspective. Um, and I also just really, as I said, I felt like I was really plopped down
00:09:02.280 into these places that I've, I've been before and spent time with and with people I've, I've known
00:09:07.080 in my past. And so that just, it felt like putting on like a cozy sweater, um, working on your book
00:09:14.100 because just because of that experience, it was so lovely to your descriptions are just so vivid.
00:09:19.340 I can really just see it all very clearly in my mind. And so that was just an added layer of
00:09:24.960 enjoyment. Could you give us a little bit of juicy or is that crazy to ask you to go into character
00:09:29.600 right now to just be like, hey, be juicy immediately? I need some text in front of me.
00:09:35.620 Oh, my God. I know. I know. I know. No, that's too hard. That's too hard. That's too hard.
00:09:40.600 We can keep it as a little, you know, a little surprise for folks when they listen.
00:09:44.680 A little surprise for folks when they listen. So is there do you do anything to get into character?
00:09:50.080 like for so when I was right when I was writing the Sicilian inheritance a lot of it was at home
00:09:54.720 but some of it was in Sicily and I did crazy things like I brought my laptop while I was eating
00:10:00.520 all of the dishes that are in the book and described them as I was eating them into the
00:10:07.680 files and then because I'm a crazy person I would also walk around the restaurant and ask people to
00:10:12.680 describe the dishes they were eating I was like what does this taste like and some people are
00:10:15.820 really nice they love being asked that they're like this tastes like eating the ocean and I'm
00:10:19.660 like yeah it does wow I know right so do you do anything to like get yourself into the mood
00:10:27.160 I I don't I've thought about listening to like I know other narrators who have playlists that
00:10:38.020 they associate with their books and they kind of listen to that to kind of yeah to get in the mood
00:10:43.180 of the story. For me, I just like to sit down and just get started. I think I,
00:10:51.720 especially with books that are super well written and have really vivid imagery,
00:10:57.720 it's just a movie in my mind. And so I think just like starting to read a little bit of it,
00:11:03.460 it drops me into that space and I can really imagine everything pretty clearly. For characters,
00:11:10.760 I do tend to shift postures which has a pretty big impact on the way that I sound the way I'm
00:11:18.640 portraying those characters so each person especially if they're bigger character you know
00:11:23.900 a bigger presence in the book kind of has their own I sit differently for each one and so I guess
00:11:30.900 it's just sort of an in the moment preparation but as I start to speak for a new character in a
00:11:37.400 you know in a bit of dialogue I'll be shifting my body quite a bit in my chair as much as I can
00:11:42.160 without making noise and that really just changes my voice a bit oh wow I really love that actually
00:11:49.860 I love that you're kind I'm picturing you in the studio shifting around yeah like becoming bigger
00:11:55.600 because I feel like juicy is also this big presence in the book and so I'm just picturing
00:12:00.220 you, like becoming a big woman with like big Sicilian energy. I just did a piece for Cosmo
00:12:06.720 on big Sicilian energy and how it's a thing and how I'm trying to channel it in my own life. I'm
00:12:11.980 like more confident how I move in the world now, which I think is a really beautiful thing after
00:12:17.720 writing this book, mostly because I think that I'm bringing that energy with me on a regular basis.
00:12:23.660 Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, her energy was so clear in the way you wrote her and I, and I,
00:12:29.500 You're exactly right. I mean, I sort of anytime she was speaking, it's like I sort of expanded, you know, like my shoulders kind of stretched out more.
00:12:39.880 And I'm it's a it's a very. Confident posture that she has something, some challenge that I do have whenever I'm performing anything that take that's like steeped in Italian culture is I want to be moving my arms and my hands.
00:12:59.220 so much it just feels so natural to go along with the text when it's written really well which yours
00:13:06.080 was and I and that's only a problem because the microphone in my studio is very very sensitive so
00:13:13.240 if I'm like flapping my arms around or doing a lot of gesticulation I'm gonna have to re-record
00:13:18.340 a bunch of stuff so I feel like sometimes that energy that would be coming out of my hands and
00:13:24.740 fingertips, if I were able to gesticulate as much as I want to, just comes, you know, I try to
00:13:30.160 channel it to kind of come out in my voice a little bit so you can get that flavor of that,
00:13:34.580 that like sort of cultural flavor and energy and what you're talking about, that sort of big
00:13:39.020 Sicilian energy without it having to be movement. And of course, no one would see my movements
00:13:44.260 anyway. So it's like, how do you manufacture that for the listener in a way that'll make sense to
00:13:48.580 them in their ears. I know. I know. Exactly. Recording an audiobook is not easy. I did it
00:13:55.660 for my book, How to Be Married. And I was eight months pregnant at the time with my first baby
00:14:01.820 and so big. It was very hard to figure out how to get close to the microphone. They had to really
00:14:06.220 make adjustments. And I was burping all the time. I'm pretty sure if you listen to How to Be Married,
00:14:12.660 the audiobook, you can hear me just being like, oh. How long does it usually take you?
00:14:18.580 It really depends on the book. I do a lot of romance under a pseudonym, Rose D'Oro. And those books, if it's like a rom-com, they're pretty quick. But something like this where there's a lot of accents, languages are going to take a lot longer in the booth because, again, I get really in my head about consistency and making sure that I'm even with something that I'm really comfortable with and I do a lot of.
00:14:42.520 if it's not my my typical like typically the way that I speak in my normal life I just want to make
00:14:49.220 sure that I'm all the things that I'm doing that make me sound different than I normally would are
00:14:53.960 the same so it goes a little bit slower but I'd say you know I probably record for every finished
00:15:01.020 hour that you hear I'm generally in the booth for like an hour and a half of that time which is
00:15:09.960 pretty fast. Um, I think typically people, it takes like a full two hours per finished hour
00:15:15.680 for the average narrator, like for an average narration. Um, but I think I've been doing this
00:15:22.280 so long where I'm, you know, kind of, cause I'm just alone. I've been alone in my booth for so
00:15:29.920 long. I've been alone in my little booth and they won't let me out. Yes. That I, I get so locked.
00:15:36.920 I've learned how to really get locked into this story and keep it moving along.
00:15:40.220 And I've become pretty adept at sort of, it's not really cold reading because I've prepped it,
00:15:45.060 but you can't memorize an entire book, obviously.
00:15:47.340 So, you know, it's, you know, I get, I can read pretty fast when recording, I guess.
00:15:52.720 Like my eyes move along quickly.
00:15:54.400 And so I make fewer mistakes that way.
00:15:56.480 It keeps me, keeps me going quickly in the booth.
00:16:00.380 All right.
00:16:00.920 We're going to take a quick break here.
00:16:02.320 Be right back.
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00:18:35.620 And we are back. One of the things that I was dying to ask Rachel is whether or not
00:18:41.420 audiobook recording has changed since the pandemic. Because I know podcasting has.
00:18:46.520 Prior to the pandemic, I used to go into people's homes with a sound engineer to do interviews, or we would meet in a studio.
00:18:57.180 And now, so much of my recording is just me alone in essentially a closet.
00:19:05.480 And I'm curious if that's how it is for Rachel now, too.
00:19:07.820 I think, yes, since the pandemic, most folks are doing the bulk of their narration at home these days, which is sad because it's already like pretty solitary work and it becomes even more so when you don't get to see other humans just, you know, passing them in the hallway in the studios.
00:19:25.780 I know. I know. Well, it's the same for podcasts, to be honest, because for so long we would travel to people to do our interviews for Committed and stuff. And now it's all on the computer. And I miss that human interaction.
00:19:41.920 My last pre-pandemic interview was in studio with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach, and I got to hug both of them.
00:19:50.000 And I'm like, we all probably gave each other COVID, but I'm like, I miss the hugs.
00:19:55.440 I miss the in-person-ness.
00:19:57.640 Yeah, I just recently got to go in studio again for something, and it's just a lot better.
00:20:04.820 I mean, for that reason, you know, getting on a lunch break, got to sit with a bunch of other narrators and producers and engineers,
00:20:10.480 And it was just really nice to have that.
00:20:13.140 And also, I work a lot faster that way because I'm not doing all the jobs anymore.
00:20:19.280 I get to just be the narrator, which feels like such a gift when it gets to happen.
00:20:24.680 But absolutely, I definitely miss the ongoing human connection when I can be in studio with
00:20:31.660 books.
00:20:33.000 Totally, totally.
00:20:34.500 Is there anything that I'm missing asking you about this magical job that I know so
00:20:38.880 many people are curious about how audiobooks work let me think i mean i get i obviously get
00:20:45.340 lots of questions from folks whenever they find out this is what i do oh yeah what are people
00:20:49.680 asking um they ask how i got started they ask how i come up with voices they want to know
00:20:57.600 the most frequent question i get asked is do you read the book ahead of time or do you just like
00:21:03.140 sit down and do it which i've i guess we've already addressed here um and in fact there
00:21:07.900 are some narrators that do just sit down and do it. And I don't understand how that works because
00:21:12.940 you may find out in chapter 10 that this character you've been voicing throughout the book has an
00:21:17.540 Irish accent and you didn't give them an Irish accent and then you have to start over. So that's
00:21:22.600 not something that I feel comfortable to do. I would be really scared to do that. And what else
00:21:29.260 do they ask me? Yeah, I mean, I think that's the biggest, those are the biggest things. How do you
00:21:34.620 come up with a voice and how did you get started and and and lots of questions around prep um
00:21:40.200 I think people are just like really amazed that this is a job and don't I've been doing voice
00:21:46.560 over work for a really long time prior to narration and even getting started with that
00:21:52.380 and talking with people about it I think there's just always a lot of I don't know we hear voice
00:21:57.200 overs in our daily life all the time but I think very infrequently think about what that is and
00:22:02.300 how it happens. And so I tend to get a lot of questions around that and excitement around
00:22:06.860 learning how it all works. Yeah. I think, I think it's fascinating that it's, you know,
00:22:12.840 that this is a job. How did you get started? Yeah. So I am, as I said, I'm a theater actor.
00:22:20.740 That was, I've been working in professional theaters since I was a little kid. And I always,
00:22:27.480 I don't know when I was really little I somehow did have a sense of what voiceover was I watched
00:22:33.820 a lot of those like Disney classic films the musicals the cartoons and I always wanted to do
00:22:38.680 that and so when I moved to New York as an actor pretty early on I sought out some coaching on
00:22:46.580 just to learn more about voiceover and how to how to do it and I got started in like I would call
00:22:53.220 industrial voiceover, like a lot of like in-house how-to videos and stuff of businesses. And then
00:23:00.560 some, and then I moved into like museum narration. So a little bit of narrative work, but pretty
00:23:05.740 short form. And then I was very interested in audio books because it just felt like a little
00:23:13.360 play all the time, you know, like it was what I was already doing, but I got to play all the
00:23:17.760 characters in it. And the difference was no one could see me. And there felt like there was a lot
00:23:21.740 of freedom in that. And so I found, I sought out a coach specifically for audiobooks and did some
00:23:28.560 coaching sessions with him. And I also did a lot of, because I was so used to doing short form
00:23:34.040 speaking, I did a lot of conditioning to kind of get my body and voice ready for speaking for
00:23:39.560 really long stretches of time, which is a skill unto itself and worked for this. I don't think
00:23:45.680 it exists anymore, but this app called Umano, which was like a news app. And so I would get up at
00:23:51.740 you know, like three in the morning and narrate these long articles and send them in in time for
00:23:59.140 folks to wake up and I'd have to edit them all in the morning. And that was my sort of training
00:24:05.880 ground for longer form narration. And then once I worked with this coach, he connected me to all
00:24:12.900 the major publishing houses and production companies and helped me make a demo, a couple
00:24:20.300 of different samples from different genres of books and I sent them out and then I just started
00:24:25.200 started getting hired which was so exciting that is so exciting I'm always curious about people's
00:24:31.560 paths right because people ask me about my path to being a book writer and I'm like I was a
00:24:36.660 journalist I was a journalist and then I just started writing books I'm like that's not that
00:24:39.840 interesting but yours is more interesting than mine and I also I feel like something that really
00:24:44.500 drew me to audiobooks specifically is that I have this background in accent work it was something
00:24:48.880 I've always loved, like, my whole entire life, especially as a kid, I used to, I still do this,
00:24:56.060 when talking to people, I'll pay really close attention to their mouths and the way they're
00:25:00.200 shaping their mouths and using their tongue to form words and kind of dissecting, like,
00:25:05.300 why do they sound the way that they sound? And then privately at home, try to mimic that a little
00:25:10.520 bit and learn so much and just have this early fascination with the way that we speak. And with
00:25:16.380 audiobooks I always thought oh you here's this opportunity to just get to the sandbox is massive
00:25:22.160 right like I get to play so much in voices and textures and accents and all of this stuff that
00:25:28.760 I really love and sure enough when I started training in it I do I did get to do a lot of
00:25:33.560 that and so I I guess I figured I might be well suited for that work because I have an ear for
00:25:39.860 those things and just an interest in them and I'm also a singer so there's a lot of musicality in
00:25:45.640 you know varying the accent and dialect work you're doing it's like it all sounds like music
00:25:51.620 to me like different genres of music and so I get to um just live in that so much in these books and
00:25:58.200 I that's just what I really wanted to be doing and now I get to which is such a gift oh I love
00:26:04.100 it when people get to do things they love I love writing books and I hate selling them yes I can
00:26:10.000 understand i'm so tired yeah i love writing books and i love connecting with readers and if i could
00:26:16.900 take out the middle part or if no someone else would do it for me that would be wonderful
00:26:22.620 yeah wonderful that is something that feels um like a gift as a narrator like being in this
00:26:28.940 corner of the publishing space is really nice because i don't have to do any of that part
00:26:33.660 everybody else gets to do that part that does seem so hard so hard um i loved talking to you
00:26:42.080 everyone order the sicilian inheritance audiobook and you get to hear rachel be juicy who's the
00:26:47.880 best character i've ever created um thank you so much hopefully we get to meet in person and we can
00:26:54.000 we can talk talk italian and eat italian together that would be amazing i love it thanks so much
00:27:00.780 thank you and that is all we have for today i think you'll really enjoy the audiobook of the
00:27:07.740 sicilian inheritance i've listened to it twice already and it it does feel like an immersive
00:27:13.560 experience it feels it feels a little bit like what like listening to a really great movie
00:27:17.580 which i you know for me that's the point that's the point of audiobooks i'd also love to hear
00:27:23.260 from you about what audiobooks you've loved let me know slide into my dms and now go do something
00:27:30.200 nice for yourself, this is airing on Mother's Day. I hope your children are far, far away from you.
00:28:00.200 I didn't like what you said, Odin pauses,
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