Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - April 07, 2026


The Fine Line Between Cult and Wellness Movement—One Woman's Escape From One Taste and Finding Humor in the Aftermath

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00:00:00.000 Hey y'all, Jo here and you are listening to Under the Influence. 1.00
00:00:09.820 Quick heads up before we dive in today, this episode talks about sex, power, manipulation,
00:00:15.560 and the very blurry line between wellness and something a lot more dangerous. So maybe don't
00:00:22.200 throw this one on at full volume during school pickup. Today's guest is Star Stone. Star is a
00:00:29.180 comedian, and theater artist whose new solo show, Clit Cult, turns one of the most unsettling
00:00:35.200 experiences of her life into something funny and somehow cathartic. Before Star was on stage,
00:00:43.380 she was part of OneTaste, a company that marketed itself as a kind of sexual wellness movement
00:00:49.940 centered around something called orgasmic meditation, or as they called it,
00:00:55.380 ohming. I gotta say, after you find out what ohming is, you are going to have a really
00:01:02.240 difficult time doing the normal kind of ohming in yoga class. I had to ohm, like normal ohm, 0.93
00:01:08.820 just ohm at the end of yoga class today, and I couldn't stop thinking about what ohming meant
00:01:15.260 in one taste. So that's a thing that's never going to leave your head. Yeah. Ohming in the
00:01:22.500 OneTaste universe was a 15-minute practice where a partner stimulates a woman's clitoris in the 0.93
00:01:30.540 name of mindfulness, healing, and connection. And the overarching question, one of the many
00:01:37.340 overarching questions here, is was OneTaste a cult? And that's one of the first things
00:01:43.200 that I'm going to ask Star. It's been referred to as a cult in many, many media stories. And
00:01:49.180 that's one of the things that we're definitely gonna dive into. I love what she ends up saying
00:01:54.480 at the end of this episode, which is sometimes the only way to process something this complicated
00:02:00.460 is to find a way to laugh and make it really funny. Here's my chat with Star.
00:02:08.140 hey star how you doing hi i'm good uh so happy you're here today you are you are in the jungle
00:02:23.000 in costa rica right now so we should probably warn our audience that they might hear monkeys
00:02:28.020 uh frogs anything anything else gonna just pop into your studio right now yeah cicadas
00:02:33.660 because there could be an occasional construction way of some kind.
00:02:41.080 But that's less fun.
00:02:41.820 That's less fun than a monkey coming in.
00:02:43.780 It's true.
00:02:44.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:46.320 So, but just a fair warning because, you know, we power through it. 1.00
00:02:50.800 We're women. 1.00
00:02:51.260 We do all of the things all of the time. 1.00
00:02:53.500 Yes, we do.
00:02:55.080 We have so much to talk about today.
00:02:57.300 We're going to get into wellness culture and the impact that has had on social media
00:03:02.840 and the impact social media has had on wellness culture.
00:03:05.860 But I want to start with your story because that kind of launches us into this whole conversation.
00:03:13.800 You are a survivor of something that I find fascinating.
00:03:19.000 It is one taste.
00:03:20.900 Can I call that a cult?
00:03:22.580 I think so.
00:03:23.980 I think so, right?
00:03:25.100 I'm pretty sure.
00:03:26.020 I'm pretty sure it's definitely cult-like, cult-y.
00:03:29.340 For our audience members who do not know what OneTaste is, what is it? 0.98
00:03:35.620 So OneTaste was a 15-minute clitoris stroking practice that was sold to us as a way to heal sexual trauma in your body. 0.85
00:03:50.860 And so it's a practice, but how was it also a group? 0.84
00:03:57.520 So it was kind of it was described as like an orgasmic meditation.
00:04:01.340 It became a group.
00:04:03.980 Like, how did that all come about?
00:04:07.080 Yeah.
00:04:07.380 So I think that there's there's this 15 minute partnered orgasmic meditation practice, right? 0.98
00:04:12.320 That's stroking a woman's clitoris for 15 minutes, upper left hand quadrant to be specific. 0.98
00:04:17.640 It's a partner practice. 0.99
00:04:18.180 That is highly, highly specific.
00:04:19.880 Highly specific.
00:04:21.400 Again, supposed to heal trauma, help you focus on sensation, supposed to help a woman, you 0.90
00:04:26.780 know have an orgasm um they would do this in groups so you know pairs would be in a room
00:04:34.980 and multiple pairs in a room so that's how it can become a group-like practice but i think that the
00:04:41.440 way that the organization functioned was they needed introductions to get people in to do the
00:04:46.700 practice so that there would be group activities like they had something called a turn on uh which
00:04:52.580 is communication games. So that was a free course. And once you were at a turn on, they could kind of
00:04:59.720 introduce you to the idea of orgasmic meditation. And this was mostly in the San Francisco Bay Area,
00:05:07.040 right? Is that where you were based? Yeah, it's in the San Francisco Bay Area. But then I also
00:05:11.280 found out while I was there that they had centers in Austin, Texas, in New York, and in LA, and I
00:05:17.620 think maybe london i'm not clear but other places as well and i was not based in the bay area i was
00:05:23.220 there doing a yoga teacher training and checking it out seeing if i wanted to live there i was
00:05:27.860 living in la and um eventually i did stay in the bay area for a bit and i lived there for a while
00:05:34.200 yeah so you are so you're in the bay area trying to set if you want to live there yeah and how did
00:05:40.820 you get involved with one taste that is such a long story i'm going to try to like minimize the
00:05:47.180 long story-ness of it. But basically, I was, you know, already interested in yoga. I was a yoga
00:05:53.080 teacher in trainings in this. Well, there was no such thing as a wellness community. It wasn't
00:05:59.180 called that yet. So I was just in what I would consider subcultures. And I, in these kind of
00:06:07.480 more spiritual or self-growth or self-help subculture type places, One Taste would position
00:06:15.740 people to just show up and sometimes they'd be wearing the t-shirt that said I think turn on it
00:06:22.180 was a gray t-shirt or different different t-shirts that said orgasmic meditation or one taste or
00:06:26.900 something like that um and it was really strategic in such a strange way like I was I was in Joshua
00:06:33.720 tree I'm Jewish I was at a Shabbat in the desert in Joshua tree and someone was there from one
00:06:37.860 taste wearing a gray t-shirt that was from one taste so getting into it was really just a matter
00:06:43.520 of like my lifestyle I was already kind of in these subculture areas and people I think in
00:06:50.580 these types of spaces they're already interested in you know different ways of exploring sex and
00:06:57.980 different ways of dealing with relationships a lot of people in this community were polyamorous
00:07:02.240 and I think so it was one of those things where I was exposed to it pretty frequently due to my
00:07:10.420 lifestyle. That makes so much sense to me because I think that it can be such a slippery slope
00:07:20.040 between wellness, between community, and then also moving into, you know, what are our different
00:07:31.300 kinds of potential abuse. I think when you make yourself open to, you know, different kinds of
00:07:39.660 modalities of self-improvement um both physical mental and spiritual you you you make yourself
00:07:46.760 very vulnerable and and that can can put people in scary situations i mean is that what ended up
00:07:52.860 happening yeah i think so i mean being just like interested in general in different things within
00:08:01.580 the quote-unquote wellness industry and again this was before that was a term but i mean i'm
00:08:05.700 just calling it that now because that's what we identified as now. But when you're exploring
00:08:10.100 yourself and you're exploring different healing modalities and just different ways of personal
00:08:14.480 development and growth, you kind of innocently are walking into situations that later on prove
00:08:24.580 to be dangerous. And I don't just mean dangerous in terms of it being a cult, but dangerous in
00:08:28.660 terms of, oh, this is actually changing my belief system. And this is actually changing
00:08:33.080 a lot within me in a way that may or may not be of service to me. There were so many, I mean,
00:08:39.140 also living in LA for a long time, there are so many, unfortunately, scams and people that do
00:08:46.320 things under the name of healing, but are exploiting people. So many scams, mostly aimed
00:08:51.640 at women, unfortunately was what I found. A lot of this stuff was women helping women like that 1.00
00:08:56.020 to me was such a red flag. That term always brought me to some strange place. But I also 0.98
00:09:01.320 think in terms of healers you know male healers using their position of power i want to heal you
00:09:06.340 but then there's that whole element of what is their motivation and are they really healing you
00:09:11.700 or or is is there something nefarious going on and i think like you know la2 lots of multi-level
00:09:18.000 marketing companies that you you know you end up going to someone's house you think you want to
00:09:22.500 learn about this thing that could help your body but then it ends up being odd join my
00:09:26.140 if you really want to heal then join this you know all of that yeah it does feel like preying
00:09:33.100 on the most vulnerable of people or the people at their most vulnerable times so at what point
00:09:39.140 did you realize hey maybe this isn't what i think it is so many different moments in my journey made
00:09:47.140 me think that and i ought to be completely honest it was really in the beginning like before i even
00:09:53.800 went to OneTaste. It was the way in which I was meeting people from OneTaste before I even joined.
00:10:00.600 That was a turnoff to me, to use their language. It was a turnoff because I felt there was this
00:10:08.840 kind of predatory energy from the people who would just approach me randomly at events I was at and
00:10:13.860 be like, do you want to OM? I didn't even know what that meant. And they were just coming up to
00:10:17.280 me, a lot of it being men. I didn't understand that. And I think just the women who just seemed
00:10:23.660 to be wanting to sell me something i didn't know these people they were just at the events that i 0.96
00:10:27.880 was at and they were just kind of approaching me and it definitely gave me a um like a selling
00:10:32.920 type of energy not a connection energy not a oh i have this real i went to this really cool thing
00:10:39.320 i mean because if you're going to be a good cult like i went to this really cool thing and it
00:10:42.940 changed my life like that would have been a better story than like that's a better that's a better
00:10:45.840 cult tagline for me right right yeah yeah then kind of like this come to the center and it just
00:10:52.880 felt a bit. So that was immediately a turnoff. I think the reason why I continued on past those
00:10:58.260 instincts, because my instincts were were pretty spot on. But honestly, just so many people were
00:11:04.240 like, wow, I went and I tried this clitoris stroking practice. And it just seemed like 0.94
00:11:08.120 other people who I actually knew and who I was friendly with who had gone, they seemed to like
00:11:14.400 it. They didn't they weren't joining it. They weren't in it. But I was like, oh, maybe I just
00:11:18.840 need to try it you know that makes sense to me also clitoral stroking sounds nice i mean yeah 0.96
00:11:26.100 like orgasmic meditation also sounds lovely to me and so what was i mean you felt nervous about it 0.95
00:11:34.460 from the get-go but then what was really your breaking point and how did you get out of it
00:11:39.900 yeah so the breaking point there were so many breaking points it's interesting because i wish
00:11:46.520 I could say like oh there was this one you know incident where it was very clear but they really
00:11:52.720 happened throughout my time there um there were different moments for me like when I did hear
00:11:59.520 about the full story around this is a Tibetan Buddhist meditation practice that as a yoga
00:12:05.480 teacher and as someone who I even went to an institute on Tibetan Buddhism and I'm like this
00:12:09.800 doesn't make any sense to me from what I know about this that they made this claim and I'm
00:12:16.040 thinking you know this doesn't actually track maybe i'm not informed enough about it but it
00:12:23.600 doesn't make sense that that's their origin story that somebody that a tibetan buddhist monk
00:12:28.260 showed this practice to someone and this i didn't understand the origin story so that was kind of a
00:12:34.740 big hmm i don't know if i believe this moment but there were many other moments within the
00:12:39.740 organization that felt really off to me. So many, so, so many. I think the main thing that happened
00:12:50.080 for me there that really pushed me over the edge was I had met someone while I was at One Taste
00:12:58.880 who had been a part of the organization for a while. I think he was volunteering for them.
00:13:03.520 And and he was abusive. And ultimately, my departure from one taste was due to the fact that I needed to protect myself, stay safe and get out of a abusive relationship.
00:13:16.060 And I think that is just so incredibly brave, you know, to be able to walk away.
00:13:24.060 So in hindsight, you thought you were joining a sex-positive wellness community that promised female empowerment that was founded by women, right?
00:13:40.000 and ultimately felt like a sex cult that led to some very abusive behavior does that is that
00:13:49.940 accurate yeah absolutely and i also feel like i was disillusioned too because i think when
00:13:59.300 you're marketed to as i was during the time i was there which was in the 2010s um they even had a 0.72
00:14:07.760 shirt that said the pussy nose you're fed these language this empowerment language and you're 0.93
00:14:13.720 being fed a practice you're being shared with this practice that is supposed to be quote unquote for 0.96
00:14:17.780 women like for you me you know but ultimately what's happening is it's not that and it's an
00:14:25.720 exploitation of women to sell women to men men were their main client and the women were being
00:14:34.800 kind of marketed to, but ultimately their clients were men. The men in what I found being there,
00:14:42.640 men who had lower social skills couldn't potentially meet women on their own. This
00:14:48.800 was a way for them to connect with women, but ultimately we were being positioned to be sold
00:14:57.940 to men and so was it the men who were financially supporting the practice the group you know i don't
00:15:07.400 i don't totally know in terms of who paid what but i do i do based on my experience felt like
00:15:14.120 there was a sentiment around there was a teaching called aversion at one taste and we were as women
00:15:21.880 encouraged to own with people and a lot of the men in these um at least during my time were
00:15:29.280 significantly older than me and not people that in real life outside of this practice i would allow
00:15:34.180 to touch me or to be intimate with and if it's encouraged that you need to practice with these
00:15:42.040 people and it's a sexual practice to me that felt like a form of for lack of a better term but
00:15:51.280 trafficking, you know, or I'm being encouraged to go against my no. And it wasn't like someone
00:16:01.820 specifically said to me, you must do this. Or, you know, no one was saying to me, I need you to do
00:16:08.500 this. Or they didn't, there wasn't that type of language. It was a culture and it was an environment
00:16:14.460 that had teachings that encouraged this type of behavior. And I think that anytime that you're
00:16:20.400 encouraging people to explore um their innate or their intuition which is a no and you're like ah
00:16:30.420 but think about it this other way it's like well this person just said no and you're basically
00:16:35.480 asking them to override their no so in that way these men would keep coming back like the theory
00:16:43.940 Right. Because if women really held to their no and they really were like, I'm only going to own with people that I'm sleeping with or that for my partner, meaning if it was relationship based. 0.93
00:16:56.580 But it's not. It's it's to kind of allow women to own with anyone in the community, which I think supports the idea that they want these men to continue to pay towards the organization. 0.80
00:17:06.520 Otherwise, they're just going to walk away. They're not going to keep giving money because they're not they're not having any any own partners.
00:17:12.800 You know, and I think that it would have been a healthier way to do things if this was a practice that was just being taught and you could come in for one or two days with your partner and learn it.
00:17:24.960 But instead of instead of it, it's being like, oh, go out there and own with everyone in this community versus it being something that you really get to choose and be clear about.
00:17:37.000 So you decide to leave.
00:17:39.180 I want to take a quick break. And when we get back, I want to talk about how you got out and then also how you healed from that.
00:17:56.840 Okay, we are back. Was it easy to leave one taste?
00:18:00.980 For me, it was actually really challenging because for about two years, I was in a abusive relationship, again, with someone who was deeply involved in One Taste. And my continuation with the organization was fully tangled up with him.
00:18:25.760 so it probably would have been a lot easier to leave one taste had i not been in this situation
00:18:36.000 that i was in it's extremely hard to leave a situation where you know i was i was being
00:18:43.640 abused it was narcissistic abuse and with that particular type of behavior it was extremely hard
00:18:50.340 because of the tactics that they would use to employ against me if I tried to leave.
00:18:58.760 That was like really scary, which is why I had to radically change my life to really get out.
00:19:06.780 And I'm lucky that I had my family help me with that.
00:19:10.240 But I mean, it was a really, really hard time.
00:19:14.760 And I'm super grateful that there was an incredible treatment center that I was able to go to almost immediately.
00:19:20.340 Not right away, because I had to find out about this treatment center, but I was able to get to a treatment center, and I did that program, and that was really what helped me.
00:19:34.240 And what was that healing like?
00:19:37.140 I mean, what did you have to process to be able to feel whole again?
00:19:43.080 And after the abuse and after by your partner, but then also after experiencing this within the community.
00:19:54.060 You know, it's interesting because I don't think that the healing journey ever ended for me.
00:19:59.020 I think that there was a lot to unpack that I'm actually just even starting to understand now as, you know, as I'm doing a show about this stuff and talking more openly about it.
00:20:08.120 Because there was first I had to process the fact that I was abused because I didn't even fully wrap my head around what was happening to me.
00:20:16.720 And, you know, spending 18 weeks in a very rigorous treatment program that was ultimately helping me understand what had happened to me and see it from a new perspective.
00:20:28.920 There's that piece.
00:20:29.820 And then, of course, there's the ongoing therapy around being in cults and how to, you know, overcome that piece.
00:20:37.500 So there's like two separate things. And then, and then it's like, also, there's the internalized misogyny, the exploitation of women, how patriarchy hides in these spaces. And then it's like unpacking all of that stuff, too. And how I how did I end up here in the first place? And what, you know, without trying to victim blame my own self, but I was also curious, like, what was it exactly about me that I felt so seduced?
00:21:07.500 by and drawn to this organization. And I have understood those pieces of me because they've
00:21:13.820 come up a lot for me recently, just like in my life. I understand the allure. I understand the
00:21:18.600 seduction of it. But yeah, the unpacking of it and kind of like, there were so many layers. So
00:21:25.280 it almost just, it just, it's an ongoing process. Like the idea that healing isn't linear is so
00:21:30.760 real. Like it really is true. And you decided to create a show about this, which, I mean,
00:21:38.760 as someone who, I mean, I really mine all of my personal trauma and try to heal from my personal
00:21:45.640 trauma by creating things and writing about them. Why did you choose? I'm so curious why you chose
00:21:52.540 to make a show about this and tell us a little bit about the show. Thanks. Yeah. Well, I think
00:22:00.280 that comedy is trauma plus time. It's really interesting why I wanted to use comedy to talk
00:22:09.000 about it. From my perspective, as a survivor, I find it really hard to digest narratives that
00:22:18.700 are kind of trauma porn or exploitive. I can't even speak exploitive. You know what I'm saying,
00:22:25.520 the word I'm trying to say. Oh, I do. Blame the monkeys. Just say you've been distracted by a
00:22:30.260 I am distracted by the monkeys. They're really cute. So it's kind of like when I see these, it's really hard to watch. It's really hard to digest. It's really hard to process as a survivor. And I want survivors to come to the show.
00:22:44.960 I think that most audiences digest material that is more challenging or difficult when it is comedy. We're able to say more. We can really point stuff out using comedy as a tool. So that's the number one reason why I wanted to talk about it as a comedy show.
00:23:04.980 But I think the reason that I wanted to talk about my experience is that we're seeing right now narcissistic collapse in society.
00:23:12.920 And that to me really was like, okay, now seems to be the moment.
00:23:18.500 Astrologically, I'm going to get a little, go a little, I'm going to go there.
00:23:22.680 Astrologically, there was a moment, I think it was a few months ago, where everything was mimicking 2016.
00:23:31.040 Like we were having, remember that moment?
00:23:33.580 I do, actually. Yes. Yes. And you know what? At this point, I don't think anyone can go
00:23:39.440 go too far flung. Right. Just the world is insane. So go there. Go to all the places, girl.
00:23:45.860 Yeah. Yeah. I had to go there. I mean, Trump got reelected and I'm like, OK, this is mimicking
00:23:49.580 the exact moment Trump was elected the first time while I was in one taste. There was that moment
00:23:56.060 in time. And I feel like this was like a callback. And I'm like, now is the time. I just truly it was
00:24:01.260 that it was like now is the time to talk about this i didn't even think that i i had spoken to
00:24:06.380 a few people probably for years about i should really i have tried i tried so many times to go
00:24:13.780 on podcasts and to write my write an article and to talk and i just never could i just never could
00:24:21.420 and then suddenly i'm like now's the time now now is the time now is the time yeah it just it just
00:24:28.080 made more sense. So was it hard to construct something funny out of this? Because I will tell
00:24:35.180 you, there is a lot of humor to be had in the subject matter generally, right? And also a lot
00:24:43.080 of things that are very hard to talk about. So, you know, what did it take to be able to make
00:24:48.720 this very traumatic experience funny well I mean I've been writing one woman shows
00:24:58.860 since I was in one taste actually it was during that time um it actually started my whole journey
00:25:07.180 with um with solo theater when I was so it was 2016 or 2017 where yeah I was living in San
00:25:14.200 Francisco, I was leaving. I was on the departure. I was on the way out. And I was starting to talk
00:25:19.480 about sexual assault and rape culture. And I got really empowered by the idea of presenting
00:25:25.920 things theatrically that people could connect with. And I started out through spoken word poetry
00:25:33.880 in Oakland. And eventually I got on the Oakland Slam poetry team, which was a huge thing at the
00:25:38.440 time like I'm was I'm so grateful that I had that experience and such an honor but that sort of led
00:25:44.800 me to want to explore more and like okay maybe I make a monologue out of my experiences and
00:25:51.240 eventually just one thing led to another so so over the years I've um and I have a background
00:25:57.440 in improv and sketch comedy and I trained at UCB and groundlings and um even in college I study
00:26:03.000 theater. So I just sort of like naturally gravitate towards this. And so the way that
00:26:10.300 my mind works is through jokes, I guess. Yeah, I love that. I do. The show is going to be at Fringe,
00:26:19.980 right? Yeah, the New York Fringe at the Wild Project in April. Wild. I love that. But have
00:26:27.060 you performed it for audiences yet? No, it's going to receive its premiere at the New York Fringe.
00:26:32.120 We, I mean, there's, there might be like a preview show that we might do.
00:26:37.900 The Fringe is going to do like two minutes.
00:26:40.100 I think I'm going to do two minutes of it at some point, which is not two minutes.
00:26:45.680 But yeah, I think that that's going to be its premiere is on April 2nd at the Wild Project.
00:26:52.080 I love that so much, so much.
00:26:54.620 And hopefully I'll be able to come up and see it.
00:26:58.620 I'm trying to block my calendar now.
00:27:00.700 Yeah, come.
00:27:01.560 I will. I will. All right. Let's take one more break. And when we get back, I want to talk about wellness culture influencing and how, I mean, I do think that what was happening with One Taste was such an early precursor to this wellness culture. And now, I mean, we are living, it feels like we're living in the vortex, the matrix of it. So I want to get into all of this.
00:27:26.040 Yep.
00:27:31.560 Okay, we are back. One Taste feels like it was a very early adopter of this wellness culture
00:27:43.320 language that we're just, we're living in the morass of it now. I mean, if you're a human that
00:27:48.520 is online, you are being influenced by this. And you are also a person who lives in this. You know,
00:27:54.540 you're a yoga practitioner you are a person who has has trained in a lot of what I would say the
00:28:03.120 mainstream wellness activities and then also tried some of the less well mainstream wellness
00:28:10.220 activities what have yep how how do you view this evolution I never saw it coming I'm just
00:28:19.520 going to say that because I was like this was my life I was immersed in what my family and others
00:28:24.620 thought was some serious subculture stuff like so to see it go from
00:28:31.700 like what I considered my community to wait what like this is mainstream
00:28:40.780 that was a shock because a lot of people i guess um can make it their livelihood now whereas before
00:28:50.080 it was kind of not not taken seriously like it really was fringe it really was edgy it was you
00:28:57.480 know not something that um i just didn't see it coming like i'm just going to give an example
00:29:02.800 there was a store called air one which if you live in la yes if you live in la it's like a big deal
00:29:09.120 I've always called it Erewhon.
00:29:12.360 I don't actually know if I'm saying it right.
00:29:14.680 I have no idea.
00:29:15.800 I have no idea. 1.00
00:29:16.080 It's E-R-E-W-O-N. 1.00
00:29:19.460 And I first went to them in Venice, right? 1.00
00:29:21.780 There's an H in there.
00:29:22.720 There's an H in there.
00:29:23.340 There's an H in there.
00:29:24.080 Mm-hmm.
00:29:26.160 Yeah.
00:29:26.780 Yeah.
00:29:27.000 All right.
00:29:27.680 Erewhon.
00:29:28.220 Erewhon.
00:29:28.740 Keep going.
00:29:29.740 Okay.
00:29:30.140 So I'm bringing this up as an example of wellness because there was a time and place.
00:29:36.440 So I was living in L.A. at the time and Air One, I think it only had one location.
00:29:44.580 Yeah, it must have only had one location.
00:29:46.560 And they used to do these events at Air One.
00:29:48.460 I was working for a company that would, you know, do talks and bring their products there.
00:29:54.500 And I remember David Wolf was speaking.
00:29:56.620 I don't know if we know who David Wolf is in the audience, but.
00:29:59.040 No, no, you're going to have to.
00:30:00.340 I need you to just like fully, fully explain it to all of us that may know nothing.
00:30:04.260 Okay, so David Wolf was a raw food advocate. He advocated also for raw cacao. He owned a farm in Hawaii called Noni Land. David Wolf is a longevity expert. He was at the time really big into longevity and finding fruits and superfoods. And he's really known for that term, superfoods. And I think he even owned at one time a company.
00:30:26.960 but he's also one of the co-founders of the longevity conference was like a big thing
00:30:30.820 which like longevity right isn't even the term that we even use anymore it's biohacking now
00:30:36.980 there's like a lot of things that you know were changed but at the time longevity so he would
00:30:43.420 give he gave talks at air one they were free i went to them i think you know you could try food
00:30:48.180 he was a part of like this community that i was a part of he what didn't seem like a somebody out
00:30:53.180 there in the world that was an educator, but more like closer to my friends and people I was
00:30:57.740 hanging out with. Anyway, point is, Erwin was kind of a place we'd go hang out and they had
00:31:03.760 this tonic bar. And it was just very chill. Like, it's like, oh, I'm going to go to this place. No
00:31:11.080 one really knows to go here. It just seemed very, again, very kind of fringe. I'm like, I'm just
00:31:15.520 going to go have a Jinger tonic. Like, what is that? People weren't into it. They didn't think
00:31:20.460 it was okay it was just a thing we did late at night we went to this tonic bar and now is this
00:31:27.960 is this around the same time as moon juice moon juice wasn't even born yet at this time okay so
00:31:33.360 this is pre-moon juice i remember the whole moon juice it was amanda bacon right yep yep okay okay
00:31:40.800 pre-moon this was pre-moon juice this was probably 2011 or 2010 maybe or 2012 even but
00:31:49.100 nothing fat nothing beyond 2012 okay okay all right keep going keep going okay so so basically
00:31:58.020 why i want to use this as an example is because things that i did that were pretty private and
00:32:03.660 were pretty what i felt small groups of people and not you know i had no idea that erwin would
00:32:10.580 expand it would become kind of a phenomenon influencer culture hayley bieber would have
00:32:15.400 her own drink there like the fact that it went from okay cool a few of us are going to go hang
00:32:20.300 out at this tonic bar and drink some some drinks and our friends were the ones at the tonic bar
00:32:26.620 and owning the different herb company it was just very like it wasn't a big anyway and to see it go
00:32:33.020 from one thing that's kind of how it's felt with so much of the of this wellness industry it got
00:32:40.260 It's so popularized, so normalized, even to go as far as there was a thing called the Hot Girl Walk, which I used I went on those in Miami.
00:32:51.700 Wait, what was the Hot Girl Walk?
00:32:53.360 OK, so the Hot Girl Walk, I think, was a response to all of us in our homes and covid and needing to reconnect with each other again.
00:33:04.160 And there was a term called hot girl, which Megan Thee Stallion, I think, coined hot girl summer, hot girl. And it led to someone forming a walk for women to go on. And the thing about this, it's so wellness, right? Because you're wanting to get your 10K steps in and you're dressed in these matching outfits that people sometimes provided for you on the hot girl walk because they were an influencer and they were gifted.
00:33:31.380 And if you go, you get these, these like different wellness, you get crystals, you get different things if you went on these hot girl walks. And I guess that it promotes whoever's hosting the hot girl walk.
00:33:44.440 So just the idea that so many people are just that interested in this wellness culture that there's now all over these cities, this was a few years ago, that there's this hot girl walk that exists, and then the biohacking people.
00:34:03.940 And for me, I, I didn't understand, you know, there was a place called Bulletproof Coffee in Santa Monica. Again, like one store, they were the first people that I ever heard talk about biohacking. This was years ago. And to see it get into this huge industry now, so much has grown. And yeah, there, I could say a lot about this, but.
00:34:24.760 So much has grown. And when all of this was first starting in the 2010s, 2011, social media existed, but not to the extent it does today. And ideas did not spread virally in the way that they do today. How do you think social media has changed wellness culture and how a lot of these ideas that used to be considered fringe can spread more mainstream much more quickly?
00:34:50.040 Yeah. Well, one thing I'll say is that there isn't a regulation for this wellness industrial complex. There's no regulation for it. So what I'm finding and what I found over the years, especially like a couple of years ago, I really noticed it. Maybe it still is now.
00:35:07.840 But what I noticed is that there are people who just pop up with a ton of followers and a ton of influence. And there's no real fact check or way of vetting this person that they are a qualified person in the industry that they're claiming to teach on or lead on or be a leading voice in.
00:35:30.480 And they just sort of show up with a platform one day and we're giving them permission to be a leading voice in the wellness industry. And it's like, well, wait a second now, just because you're wearing mala beads and you're going to go to Bali and host a retreat, like, where did you train? What's going on here? Because it used to be in the quote unquote fringe wellness before wellness. The fringe subcultures I was a part of is there was lineage. There was like fact checking. There was vetting. There was apprenticeship.
00:35:56.360 you know you knew someone because they had studied with somebody else that you knew that
00:36:01.120 studied with this that eventually goes back into some sort of vetted reliable source that kind of
00:36:07.820 gets you back to the origin of the thing that they're teaching about there was an origin story
00:36:12.740 and you're like okay i can trust this person to lead me to bali or wherever because i understand
00:36:17.580 where they're coming from and and but now it's like there's just hype around oh this in this
00:36:23.640 influencer or this person and the age of the retreat boom has happened that just retreats
00:36:29.980 retreats retreats and oh my god I'm so sick of it I'm so sick of it like what's happening
00:36:35.440 yeah I mean everyone and their sister is running a retreat of some sort where the majority of these
00:36:44.300 people do not seem qualified to be gathering any humans and talking to them to be honest
00:36:50.020 But I do think that that is also related to the flip side of social media, which is we want to be back in real life again.
00:36:58.160 We do want to be back in real life again.
00:37:00.120 I think that that's a really good point that you're raising because the whole point of One Taste for a lot of people was belonging and connection.
00:37:08.520 And they really use that, those terms, in a lot of their marketing, too.
00:37:13.660 Yeah, yeah.
00:37:14.300 And so much of this is marketing.
00:37:16.900 I mean, wellness culture has infiltrated capitalism, or you could say capitalism infiltrated wellness culture.
00:37:23.560 Regardless, it is such a huge multi-multi-multi-billion dollar industry at this point where you could argue that a lot of these subsets of wellness have become cult-like in a way.
00:37:40.680 I agree.
00:37:41.040 And I'm also just confused as to why there isn't more inquiry around origin and why it's gotten to the point where we're just accepting without the inquiry piece or wanting to truly be educated on some of these things from a real place.
00:38:05.060 um i think that there's a lot of confusion around someone who's educating versus marketing to you
00:38:13.980 like what's someone could be giving you what you need to hear just that you'll buy the product
00:38:19.760 well absolutely and i think that is just that is constantly the end goal and now we have
00:38:27.160 influencers who are constantly screaming all of these things at you from a little screen
00:38:32.440 in the palms of your hand, I worry so much more that we are going to see many more situations
00:38:42.680 like OneTaste evolve from social media, from bringing in vulnerable populations into something
00:38:50.440 that ultimately is not safe for them. What do you think about that? Yeah, I agree. I'm wondering
00:38:58.160 what the solution is. I mean, I think that the wellness industry needs regulation. And I think
00:39:02.520 that that translates obviously to online. And I think that there hasn't really been a
00:39:11.640 discourse around the influencer wellness culture. Yeah, no, there hasn't been. I was just talking
00:39:21.460 about this with my friend, Emily Amick, who is a political influencer, who I talk about things like
00:39:27.940 Maha and political influencing with all day long. And I was telling her that when I was in Utah
00:39:35.400 last week, I saw a lot of Maha flags, make America healthy again, flags being flown as political
00:39:42.840 flags, which I think is really interesting. I think that there is now just that the people's
00:39:48.440 political identities are now tied up in this wellness culture. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:39:56.360 yeah wow the flag the flag the flag yeah exactly exactly so i mean all the things it is just it is
00:40:06.520 it is absolute madness can you leave us with what you think is the funniest bit
00:40:13.220 from your show to give people one taste of it i had to i'm so sorry and so sorry if that was
00:40:23.140 distasteful but i want people i want taste just taste um i just i want people to come to this
00:40:30.380 show so just lay it on us well there are three original songs um that myself and my collaborator
00:40:37.700 created and one song is about vaginas and i think it's a really funny song and i think it's a
00:40:45.740 highlight of the show personally yeah i mean i want more songs about vaginas uh i want more songs 0.97
00:40:52.420 about the female orgasm uh without men being involved frankly to be honest that's that's all 0.91
00:40:58.700 i want okay so tell everyone where they can find you how they can get tickets to this show 0.98
00:41:03.180 and just pretty much everything every everything about getting to you without being a creepster
00:41:09.400 yeah totally a creepster okay so the show is called click cold it's a one-woman show it's
00:41:15.560 premiering April 2nd at the Wild Project in New York City and it ends or the last show is on
00:41:22.820 April the 10th. You can find tickets at frigid.nyc that's f-r-i-g-i-d.nyc or you can buy tickets on
00:41:33.620 my website which is starstonespeaks.com. You can also find out any previews or post shows that I'm
00:41:39.920 going to be doing on my Instagram or my website but my Instagram handle is at starstonespeaks.
00:41:45.560 and i am doing a few shows before the show opens wonderful i can't wait thanks so much
00:41:52.160 for being here today star thanks so much for having me
00:42:15.560 Thank you.