00:00:28.040I actually think this makes for great television.
00:00:30.000It also makes Jessica the perfect person to write a book called I Disagree, Winning Arguments Without Losing Friends.
00:00:39.360Jessica gets asked the same question a lot from people from both parties.0.99
00:00:43.620How does she do this job without losing her freaking mind?
00:00:47.520This book gives some of the answers, and I think it's a really great read for a lot of us right now who truly believe that civil discourse has ended up in the dumpster fire of American media and social media.
00:00:58.200And we really all need to figure out a way to just freaking talk to each other again.
00:01:03.700I love this conversation with Jessica.
00:01:05.540I am convinced that if we went out for a spicy margarita, we would be very good friends.
00:01:10.340I also think that this book, I Disagree, would make an awesome book club pick with some of
00:01:15.000the people that you actually disagree with.
00:01:18.320Because we have to figure out how to disagree better.
00:01:20.140We have to figure out how to talk better.
00:01:21.700We have to all figure out how to live in this crazy world together.
00:01:24.860And I think this book is a really great first step.
00:01:28.200hey jessica how you doing i'm great how are you i'm good i'm good i mean there are a thousand
00:01:40.400things that i want to talk to you about i mean we could go in so many different directions i love
00:01:48.800your new book i disagree winning arguments without losing friends and this truly is the ultimate how
00:01:56.240to guide for navigating. I mean, what I think is just that we have kind of an undercurrent of
00:02:02.820conflict in our lives, in our society, in our culture right now, all the time. And this is a
00:02:08.520how to guide to do it with grace, which is something that you learned very well on Fox
00:02:14.800News's The Five as the lone liberal voice on a panel dominated by conservatives. Talk to me about
00:02:21.220how this book came about. Yeah, so it's kind of a two-part story. So there have been folks in my
00:02:28.860life or people who reach out through social media or send emails for as long as I've been at Fox,
00:02:35.040but really the last five-ish years when I've been co-hosting the five who say, I don't know how you
00:02:41.480do it. And this is Democrats and Republicans, you know, people who love Jesse Waters and Greg
00:02:47.980Gutfeld and people who hate them, who just say, I don't I don't know how you make it through this
00:02:53.240and stay composed and keep it all intact. So I was hearing that from a wide variety of people for
00:03:00.540a long time. And then after the 2024 election, I had this kind of come to Jesus moment. I'd already
00:03:09.300accepted the election results. And I mean, obviously, I'd accepted them. I'm a good liberal
00:03:13.380And I don't deny elections. I just mean, I had already started bathing in the results and thinking about what it meant, you know, in terms of Democrats' media strategy, how we would appeal to working class people, you know, how to rebuild the coalition that we'd had for so long.
00:03:29.240And I went to Columbia to their journalism school to talk to some students, and I was floored by the questions that they were asking me.
00:03:39.260You know, the caricature of these left-leaning Wokistan folks didn't fit at all.
00:03:46.000And they really wanted to talk about how you can maintain your values and your sanity in this current environment and how to better express themselves, especially when their back is up against a wall, whether they're outnumbered or they're just, you know, dealing with someone with a very harsh or specific, I don't know the exact term for it, but, you know, a pointed point of view.
00:04:08.920And that made me feel sure that I should write I disagree and that there would be a use for it and that it would actually cut across party lines, which is something that's really important to me as someone who, you know, spends my days in a conservative media environment.
00:04:27.700Well, I think it's something that should be important to all of us right now, because the truth is we're not all going to disagree. Our country's more fractured than ever. And we have to figure out a way to live here together. We have to figure out a way to, like I said, argue with grace, to disagree with grace. But what is even what is even the starting point for that?
00:04:49.240Well, I don't want to be the person who every question you ask me, I just come back with a, there's a two-parted answer to that, Jo.
00:04:55.300You are more than welcome to. You know what? I love a two-parter. Okay.
00:04:59.440Okay. This is my two-part series on how do you even start.
00:05:02.960So I think that there's the facts part of it. And if you've watched The Five or seen clips of me flying around on social media, you'll notice that I'm very heavy on data and statistics and citing my sources. And I reveal myself to be the dork that I am. I had a career as a researcher and pollster before I went into media full time.
00:05:27.880So the first part, I think, is building a data-based worldview. And then that imbues you with a certain level of confidence to be able to defend it in any venue.
00:05:37.660But the second piece of it, I think, is what is really hard at this moment for people because it relates directly to the hard work of forging relationships and connective tissue with people that you struggle with and who see the world differently from you.
00:05:58.600And this is something obviously we know about families being torn apart, you know, people not being able to talk about what they think and their work environments. Basically, ideology is siloing ourselves and then adding the algorithm to it, which I know is something you talk about all the time.
00:06:14.560like there's a good chance that you could just live in your own with your own people off to the
00:06:20.940sides for the rest of time so there has to be that desire and then a set of skills as well that go
00:06:27.120along with it which i i talk about in the book for you to be able to actually have decent interactions
00:06:33.640with people who you have the most vehement disagreements with and it's really hard and you
00:06:38.780have had some of those disagreements in the public square on television. And I think for the most
00:06:45.160part, you have absolutely kept your cool. Not everybody keeps their cool on that show. It
00:06:51.360wouldn't make for good television. If it did, what were some of the hardest moments for you?
00:06:55.780I mean, this is many years of heartbreak sometimes. Hardest moments for me, the day the
00:07:02.300Dobbs decision came down was one of the most difficult days to be doing TV, where you kind of
00:07:08.300just want to crawl into a ball and process, you know, 50 years of having a right, getting rolled
00:07:14.280back and the implications of that. Not so much for me because I live in New York and I have means.
00:07:21.860And so I'm always going to have access to quality health care, even if I had to travel for it.
00:07:27.760But what this means for the most vulnerable amongst us, the women living in conservative
00:07:33.100states, especially women who earn less and women of color. And so that was really tough for me to
00:07:39.260gather myself personally and then to also hone in on what it is that I wanted to represent that day.
00:07:48.140You know, you only get 90 seconds, maybe two minutes at best to be able to talk. And so what
00:07:55.480was going to be the most meaningful? Do you want to go all data? Do you want to go personal
00:08:02.180anecdote? What stories do you want to amplify? You know, how do you make this not hyperbolic
00:08:08.880and hysterical while also meeting the moment and making it clear that this will lead to,
00:08:15.260which it has, things like women bleeding out and waiting in ERs for care and governments going
00:08:23.160after doctors who provide reproductive health care and the kind of abject terror that we've seen0.56
00:08:28.640women in conservative states, especially the 13 that have trigger laws having to live in.
00:08:33.640So that was a very tough day for me. And I will say my colleagues really made space for me to
00:08:40.180get my feelings out and to get my points out. And I used a lot of data in my answer as well.
00:08:46.060So I remember that being very emotionally tough, especially as the only person on the panel who
00:08:51.280is pro-choice and talking to folks who are pro-life for religious reasons, it also is
00:08:59.200different. And you have to factor that into how you approach the conversation and what kind of
00:09:05.160headway you might ever be able to make, honestly, because of how deeply held those beliefs are.
00:09:11.400Another instance that was really tough was right after Charlie Kirk was murdered. And
00:09:17.280And I got into a huge dust up with one of my colleagues that day that was exceptionally tough, where it kind of just halts you.
00:09:26.780We're sitting, so I won't say like in your steps because I was, you know, sitting down.
00:09:30.040But it really jars you and you take a step back and you think, my God, this actually isn't the time for a debate about the facts on the ground, like who commits more political violence, the right or the left.
00:09:43.040The answer is clear based on the data and it's the right.
00:09:45.900But what do you do when you're having a tough conversation with someone who is so personally attached to the issue? You know, someone who is so close to, in this case, Charlie Kirk, who was needlessly assassinated. And how do you make room for people who matter in your life to get their feelings out and almost to live grieve, I would say.
00:10:12.100And it led me to, and if you, for those of you listening, get the book and read it, and I hope that you will. I, at the end of each chapter, have a set of tips. I have little tips boxes all over the place because I wanted the book to also be able to be used as kind of a business book.
00:10:27.820And one of the tips that I think is really important for people is to understand the value of listening and sometimes being silent.
00:10:37.600And I think our culture promotes this feeling that it is always better to have a response.
00:10:43.180And the faster you can calculate your response, the better.
00:10:45.940And you want to have a great comeback or a zinger, whatever you want to call it.
00:10:49.000And sometimes the best thing that you can do for yourself and for the people that you're dialoguing with is to actually just sit back and process what they're saying and take that to heart. So that day definitely taught me that lesson.
00:11:02.840Let's take a quick break. And when we get back, I want to talk about the value of taking a step back, of being quiet, not forever, literally just for a beat in our world where it is too loud right now, can also be an advantage for women who do start most disagreements from a disadvantage.
00:11:24.500okay we are back you talk a lot about the unique tightrope that women are walking when we are
00:11:37.100let's say when we're just talking but also when we happen to just breathing and existing yes just0.80
00:11:42.540being a person with a vagina in the world it's rough out there yeah it's not easy we you know0.99
00:11:49.100we get told we're too aggressive, we're dismissed as a bitch. So I think taking a beat is, I mean,1.00
00:11:55.540it's good for everybody, but also good for women to think about how do we want to show up in this
00:12:01.100moment? Talk to me a little bit about that. Yeah. So this is something that I had to learn the hard0.98
00:12:07.540way as someone who would self-describe as a Tracy Flick kind of character in life. I always prided
00:12:13.940myself and almost couldn't control myself from having a quick retort, even when it really hurt
00:12:21.080me, frankly, to respond in that way. And you get this kind of know-it-all reputation, a little bit
00:12:26.760of a Doogie Howser, right? And I didn't love it, but I also felt like I couldn't stop myself.
00:12:34.360And as I got older, and especially as I became a mother, I have a four and a half and a two and a
00:12:39.340half year old. I have learned a lot about the beauty of silence and not just like when they
00:12:43.300go to sleep and everything is peaceful. How important it is to make space for these little
00:12:50.520people who you love more than anything to get it out, right? Whether it's a temper tantrum or in a
00:12:56.660conversation and they're puzzling through how they can get their words out. And I think that
00:13:02.360carries over to us even in adulthood where making space for people to work it out for themselves
00:13:10.860is a gift that you're giving them, but it's also a gift that you're giving yourself. And the kind
00:13:16.520of rule or tip that I use in the book or how I explain it is to regulate before you respond.
00:13:22.880So it's not only giving yourself the opportunity to recalibrate and really process. In giving them
00:13:30.000that space, sometimes they will hang themselves out to dry. You ever notice that when you're
00:13:35.160having a conversation or an argument with somebody and they're getting progressively
00:13:41.000crazier and crazier with the stuff that you're saying and you just think act well i'm gonna i'm
00:13:45.920gonna let this go yeah i think you're you're gonna yeah you you don't you you've got this
00:13:51.000you keep going you keep going right and it's gonna get crazier and crazier and then at a certain
00:13:56.820point and it's not everybody but a lot of people realize how insane they sound by you letting it
00:14:04.240just hang out there. So I'm a very big fan of letting people actually deal with their own
00:14:10.860content because too often they're moving much too fast to actually process what it is that's
00:14:18.540flying out of their mouth, how little of it is grounded in the real world and how immature they
00:14:24.080can seem. Like I'm 42 years old. I don't want to argue or disagree like I did as a 20 something.
00:14:30.660I've learned a lot of things since that.
00:14:32.740So buying yourself that space serves a number of purposes.
00:14:36.740And I also, you know, in the workplace, and obviously Fox is my workplace, big corporation.
00:14:43.320And it's not a normal work environment for sure being on TV, but we're colleagues just
00:14:49.840the same and have all the folks that work on the shows and layers of executives down
00:14:54.580You know, we've got all the trappings of normal stuff.
00:14:58.180And so I am very aware of the difficulties out there for women showing up in workplaces, even though this is one that has rewarded me like I got this huge promotion at eight months pregnant, which never happens, especially, you know, in a profession where your physical appearance matters a lot.
00:15:35.720How we even manage our time when we're on corporate retreats?
00:15:40.200You know, like, do you pretend you want to take a golf lesson just to get in the cart and hang out with the guys?
00:15:45.320Or do you spend that time doing something else?
00:15:48.840And so I really wanted to make that a central piece of this book because in today's environment, and you know this as, you know, someone who is a creator in all sorts of ways, like podcast and author and have a social media presence and all of these things that I feel like there's a little bit of a falsehood that's been told to people, especially women, like you can go your own way, right?
00:16:14.440Like you just get out there and you do your thing. And we all report to someone in one way or another. And we all face a lot of these challenges. And I really wanted that to be front and center in I Disagree in the book.
00:16:29.660Yeah. And you really you really did it. And you and I come from a very similar generation that we were we were told to lean in.
00:16:37.900We were told that if we leaned in, if we did this, we could have it all.0.99
00:16:42.300And I think a lot of that was absolute bullshit.0.99
00:16:46.360The world is not set up for women to have it all.1.00
00:16:49.160Certainly not all at once. Corporate culture definitely is not.0.88
00:16:52.500And it's created this kind of binary between you're either a boss, babe, or you're a trad wife.
00:16:58.880which is, I mean, obviously I think a lot about Tradwives because I wrote the original Tradwife
00:17:03.540thriller and I've been reporting on them for so many, so many years. But the fact is most of us
00:17:09.600are somewhere in the middle. Most of us know we can't have it all, all of the time or all at once.
00:17:15.000And you kind of take a machete to this premise that women can effortlessly have it all. I really0.94
00:17:21.380think Sheryl Sandberg did a whole generation of women of real disservice. Well, not only in the0.80
00:17:27.900Lenin sense, but in the Facebook sense. Right. Also in perpetuating the worst thing to happen
00:17:34.380to media in the history of media. Yes. All of that as well. Not great. But yes, the the rah-rah,
00:17:41.680we can have it all. And it was so much bigger than like Anne-Marie Slaughter talking about
00:17:48.820what you just said, the timing of when you can have it. Right. Or Michelle Obama in her memoir.
00:17:56.380writing about crying in the parking lot on her lunch break outside of Chipotle,
00:18:02.600realizing she has to get one of her kids another costume
00:18:05.980and still make it back in time for her to do her very high-octane important career0.93
00:18:11.800and support a husband who is away all the time.
00:18:14.660And you're like, I can't believe I bought this.
00:18:20.000And how how much I wanted to feel a part of something that ended up being such a fallacy.
00:18:27.080And that's not that there aren't incredible women who have done all these things like have a great and loving marriage, have kids who succeed and are rock stars, have these insane careers and travel the world and like all of the good stuff.
00:18:42.260But you can't point to anyone that was definitely juggling all that at the same time.
00:18:47.040And people, they don't talk about their failures enough and they don't talk about how hard it is. And I realized this more and more around the times that I was pregnant, especially having friends that were struggling with that process and, you know, issues of infertility and what going through the IVF process is like I only I froze my eggs and we didn't end up using them.
00:19:10.160But I had like a little inkling of how fucking hard it is to build a family for some people.
00:19:18.080And then these breezy presentations that the big accounts versus the micro influencers that people actually feel like they have a connection to were just selling you this horrible bill of goods.0.79
00:24:44.500And then I want to talk a little bit about podcasting because I can talk about podcasting all day and how great I think it is and also how terrible in some ways it is and how it's also completely changing the media landscape.
00:25:06.320okay we are back you also have a podcast you do what you do nine jobs like me we all do nine jobs
00:25:11.860we do and it's raging moderates with with scott galloway what do you think of the podcast
00:25:18.940landscape right now because i think i think it's bananas i love podcasts i've been doing them for
00:25:25.06010 years but i also think now all of a sudden we have all these talk shows which is that a podcast
00:25:30.440i don't know is the amy polo show really a podcast or a celebrity talk show like what what do you
00:25:34.820think about the podcast ecosystem right now? Well, I think it's cool that you're actually an OG
00:25:39.900in it because I am a recent addition to the space and got super lucky to be able to do it with
00:25:48.580someone well-established in the space because I think that there is such an enormous barrier to
00:25:54.220entry right now, especially if you want to get advertisers and if you want to get any sort of
00:25:59.760fan base and that or like make a living off of it you know i say this i say this all the time
00:26:05.680yeah yeah yeah people are gonna start a podcast i'm like don't do that not now no no no no no
00:26:11.140unless you have a good partner right or someone who's kind of a known quantity in the space which
00:26:16.520is what i had with scott you're right about the talk shows and i thought about this i had you
00:26:21.080know adam friedland i do yeah yeah yeah so i had adam on raging moderates maybe like a year ago
00:26:28.280And I remember like what it what a big deal it is to introduce him as talk show host Adam Friedland. And he's kind of making fun of like doing a parody of old school talk shows when you watch his show and what the set is like and they do the clapping and and whatever else.
00:26:45.860But it did get me thinking about the fact that a lot of these actually are talk shows masquerading as podcasts. And it's just the medium that we're all playing in right now. And frankly, like everything, you should have no expectation that you are not going to have to be audio and video for anything that you do now.
00:27:05.340I'm not saying you need to be like in super glam constantly. Like I don't always have HD makeup and, you know, fake eyelashes on. That's usually for actual TV. But I think that that transition has really changed the space and moved us away from, I think, a lot of what pioneering podcasting was, which was this opportunity for, in some cases, like two, three hour conversations where people could feel comfortable.
00:27:35.340unencumbered, sharing their deepest, darkest thoughts, right, or their expertise. So I think
00:27:40.980it has changed a lot. I mean, the algorithm and what it takes to get into people's for you pages
00:27:48.900is nauseating to me. And I, I feel pain every time I catch myself thinking about it, like,
00:27:57.660oh my God, we did this great episode, but I need to get in a mention of Canada because Raging
00:28:02.720moderates listeners are obsessed with Canada which is a new thing that we didn't know and I love
00:28:07.400Mark Carney and like it's interesting but you know what it's like where you think I just put
00:28:13.420all of this work into this incredible episode or had this guest that I am dying for people to hear
00:28:20.940from but their name isn't big enough for it to break through and so what am I gonna do like how
00:28:27.840am I going to juice this to make sure that I get into people's feeds? Yeah, because you have to
00:28:33.080break into this crazy attention cycle, which is shorter than ever. The algorithm controls it.
00:28:39.680It's bananas. I'm doing more and more video. I'm doing a little less now, honestly, total,
00:28:45.360total honesty, because I'm leaving for Morocco and Paris next week and I don't want to edit that0.98
00:28:49.560shit. OK, I respect that. Yeah. September isn't going to have any. And you know what? That's0.99
00:28:55.700going to be fine. I have I mean, I have I have so many loyal listeners because I've been doing it
00:28:59.420for 10 years. Right. And so I do have listeners who are still listening to the podcast, getting
00:29:04.620new listeners. You need the videos, which is insane. And then, you know, sell it. Now you're
00:29:09.780about to sell some books. And that's a whole different ballgame of people's feeds. That's
00:29:15.020bananas. I was even I was listening to like some more recent episodes of yours and, you know,
00:29:20.920where you're trying to hawk books and all the time like all the time it's like a 24 hour a day job
00:29:26.900and for people it's funny and i sense and obviously i don't really know you we're only
00:29:31.20030 minutes and five seconds deep but i feel like we're pretty we're similar in a lot of ways just
00:29:38.020yeah i feel that i feel this too i feel this too yeah great so we can talk about that offline too
00:29:42.660maybe the cocktail but there are a lot of people i think like us in the space who present like
00:29:50.520extroverts, but are actually introverted. And I wanted that to be also a major theme of the book
00:29:56.620so people understood how difficult it is for people who do these things that feel so big and
00:30:02.900scary and intimidating, like what's actually going on inside of them, right? And like what you have
00:30:07.640to battle through to be able to get there. And selling your book is one of the biggest hurdles
00:30:12.640I have ever approached. And I'm only like halfway through it. It is daunting to the max. I cannot
00:30:19.800believe the shamelessness that is required of you and like what publishers also tell you like well0.99
00:30:24.700why don't you just do this and i'm like because i have a fucking conscience and i cannot do that0.90
00:30:29.660yeah and like it's disrespectful and they're not bad people like that's just how you sell books0.86
00:30:34.960now and like i also i don't want to make this into like a book publishing conversation but
00:30:39.040please like we can always have a book publishing conversation but did you know i mean you're what
00:30:44.640you 13 books at this point yeah yeah it's yeah so I don't know if it was the same because I've
00:30:52.600heard that the culture has shifted a lot in this but I had this assumption that getting people to
00:30:57.320pre-order a book would be easy because they're obsessed with you like I have people literally
00:31:02.760you know tweeting every day oh my god you do the lord's work like I would tattoo your face on my0.97
00:31:07.640ass like whatever and I'm like just pre-order my book then like I don't know why it's so hard for0.99
00:31:12.420you to do this thing. And they just do not want to. No, they do not. No, they do not. I will tell0.88
00:31:17.380you, selling books is harder than selling anything else. I could sell like a thousand candles,
00:31:22.460okay? For some reason, I could link a candle on my Instagram and a thousand people are going to
00:31:26.720buy it. And I'm like, why don't you buy this book? Also, you've loved my past books. And it's still
00:31:31.560impossible. Pre-orders are also, it's a weird thing. The publishing industry counts them. They
00:31:36.380love them so much. And that said, an actual consumer doesn't want to pre-order a fucking0.99
00:31:40.780buck they want to get the book when it can come tomorrow okay like they just don't want to do it0.97
00:31:44.140and so yeah the whole thing is absolutely bananas you just have to and again this is shameless
00:31:49.520you keep saying it all the time you talk about it all the time and then the 56th time that someone
00:31:56.680hears about it like you know what i meant to i meant to order that book okay cool cool yeah that's
00:32:03.520and don't feel bad about it because honestly they're only going to see this mentioned like
00:32:06.920once in a while. So just shout about it from the rooftops. I think your book. So I've been talking
00:32:11.860to a lot of women recently who have who have nonfiction books that I think would be great1.00
00:32:17.120for book clubs. Like I don't want book clubs just reading strangers. I've got a lot of opinions on0.68
00:32:20.920strangers. I think it's a flawed book. I think book clubs should be reading books like yours.
00:32:25.420I just had Bobby Brown on the show. Yeah. We talked about her memoir, Still Bobby. It's great.
00:32:30.620I want book clubs chewing on real stories from real women who've lived in the world and gone through some shit, which strangers is in a way.0.97
00:32:39.940But I think that there's the book clubs are reading four books right now.
00:32:43.060And I'm pushing books, books like yours, for for book club picks, because I think that this gives us a lot, a lot to chew on, a lot to talk about and a lot to explore as women in the world right now.
00:32:54.060But this loops back quite elegantly to how we started this conversation about the polarization, because people are so hesitant to put a like a recommendation on something that could offend even a small cadre of quote unquote fans of theirs.
00:33:14.740Right. So there's like I, you know, my book has a lot of lessons for you, no matter your politics. Right. But I am a partisan person and I'm most closely associated with politics and for making arguments on behalf of a liberal perspective, whether you think Democratic Party or liberal perspective, whatever it is.
00:33:36.540And you see the terror in these groups of getting those angry emails, right?
00:33:43.560That you're like cutting out the point of view of 81 million Americans if you do this.
00:33:52.340I have a lot of people who love this book and think like you that it is something that we should be talking about in these kinds of forums, right?
00:34:03.060especially for women coming up in a workplace, et cetera.
00:34:06.700But it's crazy how controversial people who I think are pretty neutral actually are in
00:34:15.360this fraught universe, which is why you have book clubs with these four books, essentially,
00:34:21.060or maybe like someone throws in like a YA book once in a while.
00:34:25.800But then, I mean, that's not for everybody.
00:34:29.000So I'd rather, you know, like read Wedding People or whatever.
00:34:33.060Totally. Totally. Yeah. I mean, I had to get over that. You know, I published a book. I published a novel, We Are Not Like Them, which was about social justice. It was about the police shooting of a black boy in Philadelphia and the newscaster covering it and her best friend who was the wife of the cop who killed the kid.
00:34:48.960And before that book came out, my co-author and I were like, we're getting canceled.
00:34:53.720Like, no matter what we do, someone is going to cancel us.
00:34:58.300And I think I've just gotten a lot thicker skin, which also makes me a lot happier now.
00:35:02.500And you have to have it being on TV, especially being on Fox.
00:35:06.200I'm being like, I'm not going to make everybody happy.
00:35:38.760It's like a pre Thanksgiving gift that you send to your relatives.
00:35:41.320That was my alternate title was surviving Thanksgiving. And I wanted that's why I included in that appendix that I have like 10 tips for your table where I go through 10 hot button issues and talk about how I've argued those positions.
00:35:58.680So, like, I have seen your Uncle Frank before. I have talked to him about abortion. I have talked to him about immigration. I have talked to him about Trump's corruption. Like, I got you, girl. Or boy. Whoever is reading it.
00:36:11.140Or boy. Yep. So I wanted that to be a piece of it. But I also wanted the overall tone of the book to be cognizant of the fact that I work in a very specific kind of space and that I think it's important to be there and to be modeling a type of civil and civic discourse that is missing in a lot of places.
00:36:35.640And, you know, I've gotten pushback like, oh, well, you get, you know, disrespected this way or that way.0.98
00:36:40.200I'm like, sure, shit happens for sure.0.95
00:36:42.700But like if I keep my side of the street clean, I feel really good about that.0.99
00:36:48.460And that's what we teach our kids, right?