Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - Who is Nara Smith and is she a #TradWife？

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00:00:39.920 Happy start of summer.

00:00:42.000 A time in the life of a mother where kids don't have school,

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00:00:58.440 alas anyway today we are going to talk about a particular influencer who I've I've been hearing

00:01:10.120 a lot about in the influencing ether but who I didn't really know that much about so I decided

00:01:18.620 to call my very very smart friend Sarah Peterson who wrote the book mom fluenced and who has the

00:01:26.400 newsletter, In Pursuit of Clean Countertops, to give me just a rundown and a primer on Nara Smith.

00:01:35.080 Now, Nara is a big, big deal influencer. And let's be honest, there are a lot of things,

00:01:41.080 there's a lot of influencers that I don't know about because there's so many. How could we know

00:01:45.220 about everything? But Nara has been coming up a lot because some people believe that she's a trad

00:01:53.000 wife, and some people believe she's not a trad wife. And it's become this whole debate on the

00:01:59.720 Instagrams. And I think that it's a really interesting topic, because as more and more

00:02:07.040 people are obsessed with the idea of the trad wife and what this is and what this means for

00:02:13.520 democracy and women and American society, I think that we've become very quick to label any woman

00:02:22.360 who does anything in the home a trad wife. And I think that that is just as dangerous a slippery

00:02:30.200 slope as the whole trad wife thing to begin with. So to dissect it all, to talk about it all, 0.98

00:02:38.080 here's my friend Sarah Peterson. Hi, Sarah Peterson. Hi, Joe Piazza. Now, it's been too

00:02:46.060 long since you've been on this show, and I want to have you on every day. Like, I want to talk to

00:02:50.700 you literally about all of the things but my question for you today is a very important one

00:02:57.500 who the hell is nara smith so i think it's nara nara nara smith nara smith okay okay because i i

00:03:06.240 have been seeing this name in a lot of of stories about influencers and trad wives and in your

00:03:12.960 newsletter and it feels like a human i should know but i have a blind spot and i have that feeling in

00:03:19.620 my gut like i did when i didn't know who the kardashians were um which was a long long time

00:03:25.420 ago uh before i helped to essentially invent them but uh yeah i just i need you to clear this up for

00:03:32.460 me yeah so i actually she was also in my blind spot um i did not know of her existence until

00:03:39.780 a reporter reached out asking for my thoughts about her and then i you know did a quick little

00:03:45.920 scan of her tiktok and her instagram and then recently i wrote a big piece just because

00:03:52.140 people keep asking me about her so i figured like there must be something worth exploring

00:03:58.040 um but yeah so she is according to her she's 23 she has three children oh wow that's so many

00:04:07.320 children to have and be 23 it really is um she's married she's a she's been professionally modeling

00:04:14.420 since 14 she's married to another professional model whose name is lucky lucky blue smith oh

00:04:21.600 wait really yes her husband's name is lucky blue yes what do you think she calls him when they have

00:04:30.280 sex i mean lucky blue no yeah that's right that's right okay yeah um and he was raised mormon

00:04:41.360 she it's not clear whether they're practicing mormons or not right um right he is white and

00:04:49.680 she was raised um in germany by a german father and a south african mother so she is biracial

00:04:55.960 okay i'm actually not sure how she identifies if she identifies as black or as mixed race or what

00:05:02.240 But but my point is my point in bringing this up is that I do think Wraith comes into this conversation in an interesting way that it doesn't for a lot of other trad influencers.

00:05:17.940 Talk to me about that. How?

00:05:20.620 So, I mean, first of all, the vast majority of trad influencers are white.

00:05:26.080 Yeah. And blonde. 0.96

00:05:26.840 and you know they both they mostly look alike um most of them are adopting like a prairie chic

00:05:34.680 aesthetic um and or a like 1950s betty draper aesthetic yes yes but very much adhering to

00:05:45.660 hyper feminine hyper um traditional forms of feminine of domesticity 0.98

00:05:53.440 mm-hmm and nara smith does not look like that she she looks like a tiktok girly i mean 1.00

00:06:00.460 she is wearing like black sequined drapey you know like cocktail dresses while she's making 1.00

00:06:11.120 like lasagna from scratch um and lucky blue smith you know is also also does not look like you know

00:06:20.740 daniel from ballerina farm or whatever right right yeah i'm yeah i just i just looked them up i just

00:06:26.880 just because you know i wanted to come in cold yeah i like it yeah and because i think a lot of

00:06:32.400 our listeners probably don't know who this person is and there's and judging by google that seems

00:06:39.440 true because the thing most googled about nara smith is who is nara smith um now i'm looking at

00:06:47.600 pictures she's beautiful oh yeah no um she's stunning lucky blue looks like a person created

00:06:56.100 by ai i i feel like he is an ai created character from don't worry darling yes yes he or from like

00:07:09.660 Westworld. Yeah. One of the robots in Westworld. Yeah. Got like a dapper, like 2024 Fred and Stare

00:07:17.740 vibe. It's so dapper. It's so dapper. Yeah. And so her. Yeah, this is this is fascinating. I mean,

00:07:25.660 this headline on People Magazine. And again, you know, if you don't believe that social media is

00:07:30.740 media now, then I mean, People Magazine is now writing about these people. So yes, like these

00:07:37.660 influencers have a lot of power and she has about three million followers right okay that's a lot of

00:07:43.100 influence that's more people that are watching i mean that's definitely more people than are reading

00:07:46.880 reading the sicilian inheritance right now um which is which is not right and we should rectify

00:07:53.780 that people order your copy today uh but it's more it's more people than watch most tv shows

00:07:59.860 Yeah, it's a lot of people. And I think, you know, in parsing through the discourse, one comment or I guess concern about her content seems to be her ability to appeal to a younger, for lack of a better word, cooler demographic than, you know, Ballerina Farm, for example.

00:08:24.060 Right, right.

00:08:24.480 um yeah she's very over the top in your face luxury whereas again you know hannah nealman is 0.99

00:08:32.780 very much um bootstraps hard work hashtag authentic even though the lifestyle similarly 1.00

00:08:40.500 costs a lot of money right right she's not cosplaying poverty right exactly exactly okay

00:08:46.840 okay um and yeah i'm just scrolling scrolling through her pictures and i mean i can't get over

00:08:58.340 lucky blue i really i really can't describe describe the aesthetic as someone coming in fresh

00:09:03.720 i mean it looks like a calvin klein ad on steroids okay joe joe joe joe they did an actual calvin

00:09:16.220 Klein ad for Calvin Klein perfume okay okay so I'm on it I'm like I'm just nailing it right now

00:09:23.640 I really am I really am but okay so the question that I keep getting asked is is she a trad wife

00:09:32.000 right a reporter asked me that too and I was like I don't I don't know who she is and I just

00:09:36.400 kind of blew it off you you were better than I am and you did research I mean at first glance for me

00:09:44.780 i just felt none of the visceral um the visceral sort of red flags that i feel when i look at

00:09:53.220 super white trad content yeah it just it didn't trigger me in a way that you know like the

00:10:02.520 ballerina farms yeah me in the past when i first encountered them and that was interesting to me

00:10:07.160 too and i really wanted to understand like why are we asking if she's a trad wife what does it

00:10:13.520 mean if she is what does it mean if she isn't um and a lot of the trad wives that you and i both

00:10:20.080 follow are very explicit about their beliefs that a woman's place is within the home that it is her

00:10:26.960 sacred duty to feed and nurture and you know view the husband as the leader of the family yes yes

00:10:33.880 indeed and i saw that she she put a disclaimer out there that that is not what she is doing right 0.98

00:10:41.400 Right. Yeah. She has said at least once publicly that nobody expects her to do this, that cooking is her passion. And that's another thing that sort of feels different about her to me is it's mostly cooking content. 1.00

00:10:57.780 right it's not and the cooking content it's her in a super polished setting um very modern very

00:11:07.680 luxe and there are no children like dipping their little sticky hands into you know the batter or

00:11:14.340 whatever it's her taking her time speaking very slowly and calmly and going through this like

00:11:22.220 super elaborate multi-step process which feels so different than ballerina farm like having two

00:11:29.260 kids on her hips with like eight million more like adding the cinnamon and cracking the egg

00:11:34.260 in like you know uproarious chaos yeah yeah no i mean i'm i'm playing her videos now silently uh 0.50

00:11:41.680 in the background and also reading this disclaimer that she did because i guess she got

00:11:46.320 kind of trolled um on some of her videos she is one of those people who makes like makes random

00:11:53.520 food from scratch she makes like processed food from scratch she made cinnamon toast crunch from 0.92

00:11:59.020 scratch when her children the cereal craving cereal yeah yeah from oreos from scratch yes

00:12:07.020 yeah i've seen that i've seen that that's her that's her yeah um and yeah the disclaimer is

00:12:12.380 I just want to put a disclaimer out there that I enjoy taking care of people by cooking for them.

00:12:17.660 This is not something that is expected of me or that I have to do.

00:12:22.400 Right. Right. And it's not as though I'm really using Ballerina Farm as just a stand in for all, you know.

00:12:30.120 Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah.

00:12:31.940 It's not as though she explicitly says I have to do this.

00:12:38.440 this is my job but there have been posts in the past where she talks about wanting to make um

00:12:45.580 nutritious meals for her family um and to keep daniel giving her quote the wink um and she wants

00:12:54.380 to follow in the footsteps of you know the pioneer foremothers before her so her the threat the white 0.67

00:13:02.140 trad impetus to cook and caretake feels much more implicitly or explicitly tied to maternal

00:13:09.700 goodness than it does to me. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. That's true. Okay. We are going

00:13:16.720 to take a really quick break. And when we get back, I want to talk about whether or not we're

00:13:23.360 all being a little bit too trigger happy with labeling a woman, a trad wife, if she is doing

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00:14:14.060 Okay, we are back with one of my favorite people, Sarah Peterson, author of Momfluenced,

00:14:19.820 and and just just lady extraordinaire will be extraordinaire love her and so we we've been

00:14:26.640 talking you've been explaining to me who nara smith is am i saying it right now yep yep yep

00:14:32.300 i i have a terrible habit of learning to pronounce someone's name and then promptly forgetting it

00:14:38.160 so i i'm now i'm now looking at her her cooking videos and they're beautiful uh and i'm curious

00:14:49.120 Are we now very quick to call someone a trad wife, a hashtag trad wife, who does not self-identify as such just because they are doing something like cooking, something that is, quote, unquote, wifely?

00:15:03.580 Right.

00:15:04.340 Because also maybe she just enjoys cooking.

00:15:07.740 Right. Yeah. I mean, I understand why people are bringing, you know, is she trad or not into the conversation.

00:15:16.300 only because she does adhere to you know classic beauty standards she's very thin um 0.99

00:15:24.440 she often is cooking for her husband or for her children but she also is sometimes saying like i 1.00

00:15:32.020 had a craving for strawberry sorbet so i'm making it um i do think the fact that you know she's

00:15:43.420 clearly very privileged they clearly you know have access to considerable wealth to enable her

00:15:50.040 just sort of there are many smegs in her kitchen there are and you know it's you know i it's

00:15:59.400 glossy i consider smeg like the ultimate in kitchen luxury nick astor nick astor will not

00:16:05.780 let me buy one that's tragic it's tragic it's tragic and you know i mean look i don't listen

00:16:12.380 to my husband ever um and yet no but also i'm so cheap that i haven't even been able to get it up

00:16:21.300 to get a smeg but i'm looking at one video of her and there are two smeg appliances behind her there

00:16:26.740 what looks like a smeg teapot and a smeg toaster so i wonder if she's sponsored by by smeg no she

00:16:34.480 very well could be um and she quite openly posts spawn con um it's not you know at all hidden um

00:16:43.460 there was a shopping reel i think she and lucky both posted where they're going to just like

00:16:49.620 high-end store after high-end store there's like lots of like ysl branding so again like there's

00:16:57.580 no hiding the fact that they have access to well um so there's to me there's no like how is she

00:17:03.760 doing it all because it's very clear how she's doing it all and i also think rich right right

00:17:08.880 a rich person yeah right and it's clear how hannah neilman is doing it all as well like also a rich

00:17:14.760 person but there's oh but i think i think that the ballerina farm brand of which i always like

00:17:21.680 to identify it as such yeah um no like i think they do cosplay poverty and they don't show

00:17:28.240 any child care and they don't they don't show any of the actual like labor of mothering right

00:17:35.460 right right and yeah you really only know about their family wealth if you go digging for it

00:17:41.160 yeah if you listen to this podcast right hey um i wanted to bring up a quote um a friend of mine

00:17:49.040 heila thomkins she's an academic i asked her for her thoughts about this because i was just

00:17:56.060 thinking like this isn't reading trad to me it's reading more like fancy cooking show fancy cooking

00:18:02.760 show fancy fancy cooking show yeah and she said okay i really think the only difference is that

00:18:11.600 she's a woman of color and they're both clearly working with more model centric and less homesteading

00:18:15.880 aesthetic that gives the whole thing a more cosmopolitan energy but beyond that the fetish

00:18:21.860 fetishization of creating things from scratch of a world before industrial food and a world 1.00

00:18:27.380 outside of alienated labor all fixated on the cheapness and disposability of women's time

00:18:32.860 um these things code exactly the same for me with nara smith as they do with all the other trad 1.00

00:18:37.940 oh that's so interesting because for me the track the key to trad wife is submission

00:18:44.680 the key to trad wife is loss of agency um you know your husband making all of the decisions

00:18:53.380 and the money and the money and controlling all the money that is the key to trad for me

00:18:59.280 right right um and i always like to make that i always i always like to make that distinction

00:19:04.980 because i know that a lot of stay-at-home mothers work at home mothers as i like to call them yeah

00:19:12.320 They I know they feel alienated when trad wives get bashed. 1.00

00:19:16.460 Right. Right. 1.00

00:19:17.720 And so, yeah, I have to say, I don't I love an I love an academic who talks about these things, but I don't agree with that.

00:19:24.240 Yeah. Yeah. I think it's I think her point in bringing up sort of the decontextualization of Nara Smith's world is interesting because that is similar to me in terms of, you know, Ballerina Farm brand folks, you know, similarly branded could be existing in any time or place.

00:19:45.980 Like they're they're they're presenting themselves as not impacted by current events, by politics.

00:19:52.200 And I do think Nara Smith similarly presents herself in a vacuum and just sort of the unspoken moral, you know, superiority of food cooked from scratch, I think.

00:20:10.580 Right.

00:20:11.160 Is a factor in her account.

00:20:12.960 or the unexamined superiority right right yeah i get that i get that i'm also curious oh you know

00:20:21.660 what i was wrong not three million she had six she has 6.9 million oh on tiktok tiktok followers

00:20:27.380 yeah yeah yeah that's bananas that's also a lot of power and influence my friends a lot a lot um

00:20:34.360 yeah i just you know i just had a thought and it floated out of my head

00:20:40.300 again i am i'm convinced that perimenopause is happening right now i'm about to become a

00:20:46.320 perimenopause influencer i think thank god because i need one right oh my god the night sweats the

00:20:54.860 the hangovers like man i can't i can't even have a glass of wine anymore i can't absolutely

00:20:59.400 devastating devastating devastating um but yes all right so i'm going back to to nara smith and 1.00

00:21:07.020 how she yeah she does she does appear that she prioritizes low homemaking and a certain

00:21:15.200 aesthetic it's an aesthetic that's not my jam I will say because it also it does seem unattainable 1.00

00:21:22.800 like I'm going to lump her in with those luxury influencers who are just showing an unattainable

00:21:31.040 lifestyle right as opposed as opposed to a trad influencer right that's the other piece for me

00:21:38.800 it's like so otherworldly as to be almost less insidious like i don't think most that's the

00:21:46.720 thing that's the thing like i look at this and i'm like oh this looks like a vogue photo shoot

00:21:49.920 exactly like it's like i can see the work being put into this it doesn't seem like she's just

00:21:55.300 giving us a glimpse into her ordinary everyday life she's like no my life is a movie set right

00:22:03.400 my life is a television set yeah and I am a celebrity that's the vibe I'm getting from her

00:22:09.580 um you know I mean we would never call Rachel Ray a trad wife and she's been having her cooking

00:22:16.240 talk show for years right so like I don't I actually do think it's unfair to label her as

00:22:23.280 a trad wife she seems to me like a cooking influencer yeah i was thinking a lot about

00:22:27.740 did you ever watch uh giada de la renta's her yeah yeah yeah i freaking loved i love giada so

00:22:33.420 much in fact um let's put this out to our wonderful audience who can do anything uh i want to get

00:22:39.840 giada the sicilian inheritance oh god yeah you let's make that happen let's make that happen

00:22:47.200 let's put that in let's put it out into the universe okay um but i was thinking a lot about

00:22:53.160 she had this show i think it was like at home with jada or entertaining with jada and every episode

00:22:59.240 it was like she was throwing her sister a baby shower or she was cooking her now ex-husband an

00:23:06.040 anniversary meal or she was throwing her daughter a slumber party and like we all knew that even if

00:23:12.880 the slumber party happened or even if the baby shower technically was real like we all knew that

00:23:18.060 this was a television show that there was a production team that there were cameras on set

00:23:23.380 that like when the camera stopped rolling people likely just went home like it wasn't we knew it

00:23:29.460 wasn't real even though you know it's being staged as though it is and I think the same is true of

00:23:37.580 Smith's content like none of us think that her kid was like I'm hungry right now and then she

00:23:44.000 spent three hours making Oreos from scratch like no no we think that she planned this content right

00:23:49.580 for weeks in advance like a cooking show would right right and I think to me the lack of like

00:23:57.680 illusions of effortlessness and naturalness does make this less um potentially harmful in a way

00:24:05.740 Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. We are going to take one more break. And when we get back, I want to talk about how I think the mainstream media, when it covers influencers, continues to fail badly.

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00:25:22.680 okay we are back we are back with sarah peterson uh i found an article on refinery called why is

00:25:34.260 everyone so obsessed with nara smith and it's a good article it's a good article like it has

00:25:41.400 some some great quotes in it um and and it's an it's a nice kind of criticism but here is

00:25:48.720 my issue there is a line that says as a young mother and housewife nara smith's content falls

00:25:57.580 within the ever-growing and controversial trad wife movement seen across social media

00:26:02.520 my issue with this sentence is as a young mother and housewife yeah because first off i hate the 0.96

00:26:09.520 name housewife i hate it yeah it's a dumb word okay yeah you're a wife a wife in the house i 0.78

00:26:17.280 I mean, it just, it doesn't, it does not compute for me when you finally start thinking about it. 0.97

00:26:22.700 But also, she's not a housewife.

00:26:25.000 She's a content creator with 6.9 million followers.

00:26:28.540 She's not, not, she's definitively working.

00:26:31.460 Right.

00:26:31.880 It's working.

00:26:32.640 And the New York Times did the same thing.

00:26:36.120 I forget the exact wording, but when they profiled Ballerina Farm, they said, I think they said homemaker.

00:26:42.580 Yes, yes.

00:26:43.300 And I'm like, again, CEO of her own brand.

00:26:46.880 Right. 1.00

00:26:47.280 let's stop let's stop pretending that these women don't have a job yeah for sure for sure 1.00

00:26:53.800 um and i think it also renders invisible the people i mean there's no doubt that nara smith 1.00

00:27:01.260 has like people that help her clean her house that she pays which there is absolutely nothing 0.89

00:27:07.160 wrong with but like i think another reason the term housewife is kind of bullshit is that it 0.73

00:27:14.580 implies this person does all things domestic and all things child care. 0.94

00:27:21.160 Right. And we don't know that.

00:27:23.200 Right. Right.

00:27:24.500 Right.

00:27:25.040 And frankly, it doesn't matter.

00:27:26.880 Like all people should have child care, whether their work is centered in the home or not.

00:27:31.720 All people should have child care.

00:27:32.960 All people, all people should have a village just helping them to raise their children

00:27:38.420 so they can be fully realized human beings in the world.

00:27:41.640 Right. Totally.

00:27:42.560 Yes. Yes, exactly.

00:27:44.580 exactly yeah no i'm look i'm just gonna say it i think i'm becoming a nara smith fan

00:27:49.580 right now i mean i do want to keep staring at lucky blue he do you know that i once i once met

00:27:56.740 i once interviewed um a porn star for committed i interviewed two porn stars who were married to

00:28:02.320 each other and his name was mick blue so now all i can think about is lucky blue you know porno

00:28:09.700 i mean that's fair yeah i mean look at him right yeah um i think other thing that like

00:28:17.260 distinguishes her from traditional trad content which is a hilarious phrase is that i think she's

00:28:24.040 in on the joke like i think she's trolling us a bit like especially if you listen to her narration

00:28:29.920 i mean it's a completely targeted to like asmr and it's b like the affect is so flat like

00:28:40.420 i mean it's it's it's funny in a really specific way um and she reminds me of like her name who is

00:28:50.720 it alexia de la rosa yeah lexi lex de la rosa who we had on the show right she reminds me a little

00:28:57.600 of her in that like it's so over the top I mean like my kids told me they were hungry for cereal 0.82

00:29:04.700 so I made them cinnamon toast crunched from scratch like that is an inherently silly thing

00:29:10.320 to say and I think she's aware of that um and I think a lot of her fans appreciate her content

00:29:18.120 because it is so like absurd and over the top yeah yeah no I agree I agree um you know it's

00:29:27.580 it's really interesting i would love to have our friend um bridget todd on to talk about this 0.77

00:29:33.680 who does the podcast there are no girls on the internet yeah yeah she talked to refinery 29

00:29:39.480 about this uh about um you know black trad wives yeah and um yeah what oh oh did you call bridget

00:29:50.520 no no no but i did quote her in my piece from that same is it the refinery 29 piece about

00:29:57.200 black trad wives no this this one is just about nara oh okay so bridget todd was also quoted in

00:30:05.140 another refinery 29 piece that um it's just about nara smith yeah um and so i mean i do think that

00:30:12.620 we have a lot more to unpack with this topic but i mean i'm happy i'm happy that we are unpacking

00:30:20.180 it because i i think the trad wife thing is a very specific thing happening uh my biggest concern

00:30:26.060 with Tradwives generally is that, you know, the content they're putting out there is beautiful

00:30:32.100 in a certain way. And I do think it glorifies, you know, women kind of dropping out of the 1.00

00:30:39.720 workforce because it doesn't explicitly say that they are working. I just wish that they would be

00:30:46.680 like, no, I'm making so much money from making these videos for you. Right, right. Because it's

00:30:52.720 making young women think oh i don't need to work i can just be supported by a man when let's be 1.00

00:30:59.320 honest most of these women are probably supporting their husbands like i'll bet you nara smith makes 0.65

00:31:03.920 more than lucky blue right right the workforce has just changed shape i mean they are in the 1.00

00:31:10.700 workforce make no you're in the workforce make no mistake so let's not call them a housewife

00:31:16.300 right i mean we just have to call it out for what it is they are making major bank totally and even 1.00

00:31:22.180 if she's you know making her recipes in her actual kitchen like her actual kitchen also doubles as

00:31:29.220 like a soundstage exactly exactly um oh my gosh i have to tell you when we were in cleveland we

00:31:35.840 stayed in an airbnb that is often rented out by the hour to influencers to pretend that it is their

00:31:42.940 home that's incredible like it had the perfect influencer kitchen which now when i'm looking at

00:31:49.900 influencer houses on social media and now i want to google whether or not that's an airbnb that's

00:31:55.600 rentable by the hour like again just like a whole other part of this industry yep that i think is

00:32:00.620 definitely worth talking about none of this is reality right and that's okay totally but let's

00:32:06.240 not pretend that it is friends and that is all we have for today i loved being here with you

00:32:12.940 if you love this show please leave us a review in all of the review places it really helps it does

00:32:19.380 I think it's because of the algorithm overlords. Also the Sicilian inheritance, even if you didn't

00:32:24.580 get it from Amazon, you can still review it on Amazon, which is crazy. But hey, five star reviews

00:32:30.220 really help because there's like three people that hate me that left me one star reviews. And

00:32:34.640 you know, we just have to beat them into submission is what we have to do. 0.77

00:32:39.620 Go tell another mom that she's doing great. Go check out Nara Smith. I'm like, I'm now a weird

00:32:45.120 nara smith stan i you know and lucky blue that that strange ai generated beautiful lucky blue

00:32:52.220 and go do something nice for yourself because you're amazing and you deserve it

00:33:15.120 I want to date with

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Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - June 13, 2024

Who is Nara Smith and is she a #TradWife？

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