Unlearn16: Class is in Session - January 18, 2022


The One Where Grade 5 Saves The World

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00:00:00.000 class is in session hey how is everybody doing welcome to unlearn 16 classes in session today
00:00:09.200 guys today and i don't say this often i have an amazing teacher all the way from nebraska first
00:00:16.320 person i've ever met from actually from nebraska josh monroe um and he has this phenomenal tiktok
00:00:23.920 channel that i was blown away by and josh i'm not impressed by many people i'm putting that out
00:00:28.560 there right that right now i'm just not blown away but the way that you talk to your kids and
00:00:35.200 about your kids and the way that you bring to life your classroom on tick tock is i think it should
00:00:43.200 be emulated i think it's incredibly inspirational and i'm very happy to have you on my podcast so
00:00:50.000 welcome well thank you i appreciate that it's an honor to be here um so okay tell me a little bit
00:00:56.720 bit about yourself. So you're from Nebraska. Again, my first Nebraskan. Is that how you say it?
00:01:01.700 Yeah. Yeah. You're from Nebraska. Tell me a little bit about what you do, how you do it,
00:01:08.020 where you do it, what the vibe is like in your school and what you bring to the job.
00:01:13.360 All right. So I am, I don't know how far back we want to go. I'm originally from Kansas City.
00:01:21.240 parents got divorced mom got remarried to a man that lived in Omaha so I moved
00:01:27.660 up to Nebraska I've been teaching for 10 years and I'm lucky enough to teach at
00:01:34.500 the school that I that I attended in elementary it that's crazy right yeah
00:01:41.340 it truly is and then and then it gets crazier because when I was in fourth
00:01:45.680 grade i had this absolutely amazing teacher named tom henry he changed my life and he's the reason
00:01:52.000 that i wanted to be a teacher and now he's my teammate in fifth grade oh my gosh right
00:01:58.000 shout out to tom henry yes that is beautiful anytime i have the opportunity to give him a
00:02:05.120 shout out i have to do it because he changed my life the way the way that he loved me as the
00:02:12.080 person that i am is unreal obviously because i talk about him non-stop so right again shout
00:02:20.240 out to tom um so i've been i've been teaching at my school for the last 10 years and it's been
00:02:28.320 amazing i've i've absolutely loved it i get a i get to sit with my kids and when they talk to me
00:02:33.760 about things that they're going through it's a it's a school of high poverty um so when they
00:02:38.880 that's really important i think yeah you said title one school can you explain so i'm from
00:02:43.280 canada we have different sort of structures so if you could explain a little bit about what title one
00:02:48.080 means yeah so if you um have a a certain percentage of your students that are free or reduced lunch
00:02:55.600 uh which means that your family is under a certain income then you reach title one uh standards and
00:03:03.280 you get additional funding from the government okay so we so we reached that where gosh when
00:03:10.240 i started i think we were at about 30 free and reduced 10 years it's changed we're at like 53
00:03:17.600 54 this year so wow so things have things have definitely changed um but when my kids like talk
00:03:25.440 about life experiences i'm able to relate to them and i think that that really helps me
00:03:32.320 in the classroom because i can say hey you're right that i don't i don't know exactly what
00:03:37.200 you're going through but i have lived in your shoes like i've walked the same streets that
00:03:43.040 you've walked i've i've had the same battles that you're battling um so it's it's really
00:03:47.840 helped me build relationships and and understand my students at a deeper level wow that is crazy
00:03:54.800 that is crazy so okay before we get into sort of some education stuff we're gonna just so everybody
00:04:00.560 knows, yes, we're going to talk about COVID. Heaven help us. We're going to be talking about
00:04:04.440 it, but we're going to talk about COVID. We're going to talk about classrooms. We're going to
00:04:07.360 talk about masks. We're going to talk about teaching philosophy, mental health. We're going
00:04:11.720 to get into it all. What made you go on TikTok? Because I know for me, it was like disaster,
00:04:18.820 lockdown, boredom, TikTok. What drew you in and how have you found the whole thing as being a
00:04:25.780 teacher. Okay. So I'd have to go back. COVID started, what was it? March 13th, 2020. Same
00:04:34.740 school year, but rewind to the beginning of the year. My kids were obsessed with TikTok. That's
00:04:40.380 all they talked about. They were doing the whoa. They were doing everything. I just thought it was
00:04:48.640 so goofy and so silly. I couldn't get into it. Sure. COVID happened though, and I couldn't get 0.89
00:04:54.420 my kids to come to zooms at all um so i i created a private account and and i was like hey if you
00:05:03.780 come to the whole zoom i'll show you the tick tock video that that nala and i made so nala is my
00:05:11.140 therapy dog so oh my god that's amazing so i'd make this goofy video i'd save it to my phone
00:05:17.380 if they stayed the whole the whole time i'd upload it and i'd show them and they started to come like
00:05:23.860 kids started to talk to each other and they're like Mr. Monroe had this had this thing with
00:05:28.440 Nala and they'd be like Nala because she's the real star I gotta I gotta listen everybody my
00:05:34.840 dog do what you gotta do a hundred percent uh so kids started to come um so I did it for the rest
00:05:42.980 of the school year and I didn't know how to check anything I didn't know about likes or follower
00:05:48.640 requests or anything into the school year I was messing around with stuff I
00:05:54.340 saw it I have like a hundred follower requests I was like oh cool so I just
00:05:59.020 accepted them all and made right right like kept doing silly things with Nala
00:06:05.440 and then it really took my account sat it it grew over the summer but it sat at
00:06:13.920 about 30 000 followers until the start of the next school year and then i saw a video of another
00:06:20.400 teacher with a sleepy student and he walked up and he said you're tired i'm tired let's get back to
00:06:27.520 work and it kind of rubbed me the wrong way so i created my own version of it and then my account
00:06:34.480 just blew up i've seen so well but that here's and here's the brilliant first of all first of all i
00:06:41.680 I don't think I can stress enough parents for teachers, for every,
00:06:45.760 for everybody, what kids want isn't,
00:06:49.800 they don't want you to tell them what to do.
00:06:51.500 They don't want you to drag them kicking and screaming into your world. 0.99
00:06:55.140 They want you to give a crap about theirs, 0.99
00:06:57.780 no matter how silly it is sometimes or whatever. 0.99
00:07:02.060 And to take an interest and my kids did the same thing, right?
00:07:05.520 Cause everybody's about Tik TOK. Now my kids are older, 0.99
00:07:07.700 but by you jumping into their world and doing something that you thought was relatively silly
00:07:14.060 it opened up in my opinion it opened up a level of trust and interest and like connection
00:07:22.660 because all of a sudden you were doing something they know you probably would never do in real
00:07:28.660 life but you know what you were doing it and they they're not dumb grade fives know you were doing
00:07:35.040 it to get them to class and but they were buying into it because it was authentic because it was
00:07:40.080 real and because it's something they cared about and that's you know incredible and then the funny
00:07:46.160 part is it's exactly what happened with me as soon as you were truly authentic on that app
00:07:51.360 you saw somebody doing something didn't make you feel good and by the way you didn't even take time
00:07:57.040 to you know be negatively drawn to that you're like i'm just gonna do it my way which is also
00:08:02.720 incredibly impressive especially on tick tock and you did it your way and all of a sudden boom
00:08:09.120 right you get this swell of people watching you and and supporting you and you know uh growing
00:08:17.760 that account and why not because you're doing a dance not because you're pretending to be something
00:08:23.520 but because you are being exactly who you are and there is the lesson right yeah 100 like being
00:08:30.960 authentic uh and being who you are we my my students in class this week just read a story
00:08:37.460 called westlandia but the theme of it is like walk to the beat of your own drum stop worrying
00:08:42.980 about what everybody else does and just be true to who you are yeah but we also we also ask kids
00:08:50.540 every day like to take risks and if we want to be if we want to be true to that we got to do it
00:08:56.520 ourselves so absolutely it was a huge risk for for us to get on tick tock like I heard I heard
00:09:03.720 an audio the other day and they're like for the older generation born in 1997 or something and I
00:09:09.260 was like oh man that's the old generation it's so offensive I can't even it's truly offensive 0.86
00:09:18.640 oh that's how i thought it is it's just and it was the risk and it and it's interesting because 1.00
00:09:26.540 coming from a place where we tell kids to walk to the beat of your own drum be yourself whatever
00:09:31.540 we also exist in this structure that is constantly pushing them to not walk to your own beat of your
00:09:41.360 own drum right we tell them how to dress when to eat where to sit what classes to take how to take
00:09:46.720 them we teach them in a lot of ways that first video that you're talking about that their problems
00:09:53.360 don't matter that their reality isn't as important as the reality of the classroom or the teacher of
00:09:59.360 the day so buck up and and do what you got to do to step it up to my reality and we do all of that
00:10:07.040 and then we wonder we're like oh why why are kids such followers are you joking me or why you built
00:10:13.440 a structure why do kids have all of these problems in my classroom but we try to make them cookie
00:10:21.940 cutters and that's that's not how it should be right we should let them be themselves and we
00:10:27.280 should love them for that and embrace that that's that's the part for me that in my growth that
00:10:35.720 that has been hard from from where i started to where i'm at and like looking back it's been hard
00:10:41.180 to reflect on that, where I started and be like, man, that guy in year one, they had it all wrong.
00:10:50.060 All wrong. Right? It's so, people are like, how'd you know you wanted to be a teacher? Did you
00:10:56.040 always know? I'm like, no. I'm like, listen, you can't know that you're a teacher or you're supposed
00:11:01.600 to be a teacher until you're in it. And I'm going to go you one step further. You're going to have
00:11:05.720 to wait till about year three you're you're gonna have to push and push and try different things and
00:11:12.380 try different things and if you have the energy and the audacity and the wherewithal to keep
00:11:19.140 kind of trying to figure out your path by year three it should start making sense by year three
00:11:25.440 you're gonna know if this is you or if it's not and it's cool if it's not but yeah man those early
00:11:32.420 years they're hard they're hard right because like every every day at least at least where i sit now
00:11:39.780 i look back and i'm like wow i sucked yeah like how how can i be better the next day like teaching
00:11:47.940 teaching you can't be a lebron james from day one where you're like the gifted one
00:11:52.740 it's not something that you just walk into and you're amazing it takes a lot of growth
00:11:58.580 and a lot of reflection and in true reflection to change lives right it's absolutely a hard job
00:12:10.180 it's a you know and to do it well now you and i would both know teachers and you saw one on tick
00:12:15.380 tock that roll into that job and don't quite do it and quite look at it the same way that we do
00:12:20.020 um but to do it well and it's and it's funny every year i step into that classroom and i think
00:12:26.100 because everybody said what's the best part of your why do you love teaching so much i'm like
00:12:29.860 because i learn every day every day every day i learn something every and to be open to that that
00:12:37.380 and to be aware of how brilliant children are if we just get the education rules structure out of
00:12:46.740 their way for five minutes now i've never taught grade five i know you teach grade five my youngest 0.97
00:12:51.540 was grade six but what i was astounded by with grade six is all they wanted to do was learn crap
00:12:57.940 that's it you know every day they'd come in and they'd say uh joanna how does a battery work i
00:13:03.060 said listen do i look like the science teacher you're gonna have to go down the hall to figure
00:13:07.060 that out but they would come to me with questions and they would laugh when i didn't know and then
00:13:12.420 i'd say but let's figure it out together and i think even just a teacher admitting i have no idea
00:13:19.140 how you know that works and then i started getting and i'm sure you do in grade five
00:13:25.200 all sorts of questions right because those little ears would hear the grade 12s talking
00:13:30.640 and all of a sudden i'd have a litany of questions where i'd be like joanna um so and so was talking
00:13:40.860 about a roofie what's a roofie and i'd be like oh all right what's a roofie i don't get those
00:13:47.980 questions. You don't get that? Because my school, my school goes from seven to 12. So it's, it's a
00:13:54.840 weird dynamic of a private school, but they're listening to everything. And so once you build
00:14:01.060 that trust gets who they come ask. Oh yeah. I've waited for the last 20 years. I've waited for a
00:14:06.180 phone call from a parent saying, Joanna, stop talking to my kid. Why are you answering questions
00:14:11.320 about what abortion is? I'm like, listen, they come to me. They ask the last thing I want to do
00:14:16.520 to any kid is make them feel bad about a question or turn them away and say, that's, I'm not going
00:14:23.040 to answer that because I'm not going to make them feel ashamed of that either. So guess what? There
00:14:28.420 I am answering roofie questions and, but they just, there's no, it's, it's kind of beautiful
00:14:35.520 because there's no grade attached to their desire to learn. Yeah. And some of those questions,
00:14:42.800 Like, I've never been asked those questions that you're talking about.
00:14:46.020 I'm going to send them to you now.
00:14:47.240 Yeah.
00:14:49.920 Go to Josh's TikTok.
00:14:52.500 Type in questions from Ontario students.
00:14:57.840 You know, the hard part, I think, like sitting as a parent, my kid could Google that, right?
00:15:06.240 Yeah.
00:15:06.600 Do I want them to learn from some unknown source or do I want them to learn from an adult that
00:15:13.200 they trust? That, at least where I sit, like, I'm like, go ask an adult that you trust, right? Like
00:15:20.960 put advice down and ask somebody that cares and loves about you. And I think that's a hats off
00:15:29.500 to you for building that environment where students feel safe enough to ask you questions that
00:15:36.600 i don't think every kid can ask every teacher no yeah well they started making a game out of it
00:15:42.760 it was highly enjoyable for them um but i'm assuming grade five is similar because what i
00:15:48.600 find unfortunately listen have you ever taught grade seven and eight no the fifth is the highest
00:15:54.760 i've been i've only been lower than fifth well good for you because you've never encountered
00:15:59.240 puberty and it really is the great equalizer grade seven and eight gets messy it just get on
00:16:04.360 on many levels, right? And I'll joke with my grade eights. I'm like, listen, guys,
00:16:08.980 you're going through some stuff right now, right? And by the end of grade eight, I'm like,
00:16:13.780 you're not my most favorite group of kids right now because you need to figure it all out. Can
00:16:17.980 you go away for grade nine? Because I don't teach any grade nine courses. Can you go away for grade
00:16:22.060 nine and come back in grade 10 all sorted? That would be lovely for me. And we joke about puberty
00:16:28.240 all the time and having to go through that. But the thing about grade six, and I wonder if it's
00:16:35.640 the same for you, is because puberty isn't a thing yet, they're not impressing kids the same
00:16:42.440 way. They're not thinking about adulthood in the same way. So there's something so authentic and
00:16:49.060 pure about them just wanting to know stuff. And I feel like your grade, all grades, but your grade
00:16:57.740 particularly I mean that's a make-or-break era for a kid am I gonna like
00:17:03.440 school am I gonna trust teachers am I going to feel empowered here am I gonna
00:17:09.800 feel heard do you do you feel like that in grade five yeah I what you're what
00:17:15.560 you're talking about with were you saying eighth grade like just take a
00:17:20.980 break or was that seventh well it depends because now kids hit it at
00:17:25.820 different times right but usually it usually is eighth grade that you start
00:17:30.080 they kind of start like this and then we have to talk about showers and we have
00:17:33.860 to talk about deodorant and then and then they get to a point where they've
00:17:37.760 stopped caring about the teacher really like they really don't care if you like
00:17:42.340 them much they just really want their friends to like them so you hit a
00:17:45.200 different road there right so that's that's like the end that's like fourth
00:17:50.600 quarter for fifth grade where i'm at because oh really after fifth grade they go to different
00:17:56.520 schools is that's where middle school oh okay and so some friends go here and some friends go there
00:18:03.080 and they start building different relationships and start caring about how's this girl or this
00:18:08.360 boy look at me and they start to get they start to get stinky you touched on that so we gotta we
00:18:14.760 we got to have some of those talks, but yeah, for sure. But you're right. Like it, where they're
00:18:21.000 at, they, they love learning and it's, it's really important. I think, um, I have a, I have a
00:18:29.620 kindergarten son and, and for me, I think it's even important for him, even in kindergarten.
00:18:36.320 Like I need his teacher to empower him in his education. And she does an amazing job with that
00:18:42.420 of teaching him the importance of fixing his mistakes. And mistakes aren't wrong. That's how
00:18:48.120 we learn. But I think that that builds up into when they get into fifth grade or to you, right?
00:18:54.200 Like that they've learned just because I've made a mistake doesn't mean that I failed. It's an
00:18:59.460 opportunity for me to learn from that and then grow even more. And I feel like that's what we
00:19:05.080 need more of an education is those opportunities to grow. Do you feel like, I mean, and I understand
00:19:14.380 in elementary, it's a little bit different, but do you, I know that by the time they get to high
00:19:20.860 school, it's like we push these kids to a pick a career, which is hysterical. What in 10th grade,
00:19:26.480 that's when they're supposed to have life figured out. Go talk to my 40 year old friends. I don't
00:19:30.040 think people understand trajectories, but never one figure it out, but also like decide what
00:19:36.420 you're good at and what you're not good at. Stop taking it. Right. Like in that logic or that
00:19:44.360 mentality, I think just bleeds into everything else. Oh, you're really good at math and physics.
00:19:49.740 That's all you're going to take. Right. Forget music, forget art, forget drama. Cause this is
00:19:54.940 you're good at so do what you're good at and all of a sudden we've decided a you're not going to
00:20:00.460 be a well-rounded individual and b we are only judging value based on the marks you get not the
00:20:09.260 learning you do okay so that's what i was going to say i don't know how canada is like if you do
00:20:14.380 um they're called provinces up there right yes provinces i love side note wait i love how
00:20:22.940 tentatively tentatively an american said they're called provinces right that's it i'm sending down
00:20:30.540 a canadian history course for you all you're gonna teach at grade five you're gonna talk about canadian
00:20:35.500 government we would need to because we don't have it um right do you guys have like tests then for
00:20:42.860 your for your province because we don't so we don't we don't do standard okay so here's how
00:20:49.180 it works right now we don't do any end of the grade 12 sort of an sat kind of thing we don't
00:20:54.140 do that um if we're going to school in the states the kids write your sat we we don't do standardized
00:21:01.180 tests unless it is we do some eqao tests early on in math to see if they're living up to the
00:21:07.980 like to assert to a basic standard um and we also do a literacy test in grade 10.
00:21:14.380 okay yeah so i don't buy much into standardized testing but yeah i don't either because so so our
00:21:22.700 our standardized tests start at grade three and really they're starting to start at kindergarten
00:21:28.060 because they take something called a map test which which um looks at their growth through
00:21:33.740 the year so it's a little different than a standardized test but grade three they take
00:21:37.340 a standardized test and from that moment on you're pretty much a number right and like i remember
00:21:43.420 where i was in grade four i was in the low reading group in the low math group and i remember that
00:21:49.980 like how how do we look at that not think kids with the ability group and we're like okay you're
00:21:55.740 gonna go to this teacher and you're you come back together as a whole group and they're like yeah we
00:22:00.620 were learning about exponents and i sit here and i'm like i was learning how to do subtraction or
00:22:05.340 or whatever. Kids make those connections, right? I feel like we put too much of an emphasis on
00:22:11.820 here's your weakness, instead of here's your strength.
00:22:19.220 And I think those types of things need to start changing. There's a cool,
00:22:25.740 I don't want to call it an activity, because that's not the right word, but it's called 20%
00:22:31.100 time or passion projects or genius hour uh that it's trickled down from google and it's where
00:22:37.520 kids get time to learn about what they're passionate about so we've had kids in our class
00:22:43.960 um learn how to change tires learn how to knit blankets amazing right right it's so it's so cool
00:22:50.140 i could talk about this forever because that's amazing the things that they do are unbelievable
00:22:55.580 it's unreal i had a kid um he's in eighth grade now so it was four years ago his huge passion was
00:23:03.440 basketball and as i was saying earlier we live in a low poverty so at night there's nowhere for them
00:23:10.460 to play but he has a park across the street so he did this research about basketball but then i was
00:23:15.640 like hey what what would be really cool is if you were able to play basketball at night right he's
00:23:22.480 like, well, I can't do that. There's no lights on the court. I was like, well, what if we make it
00:23:26.080 possible? And so he did this research and it went down a different route than basketball, but then
00:23:31.880 he's getting those standards with like math and, and different, different subject areas.
00:23:37.260 He wrote to the mayor, he wrote to, it was an election year for our city. So he wrote to a
00:23:42.840 mayor that was running for election that the mayor that, um, was running for election ended
00:23:49.900 up coming and talking to them and talking about like how the power public district works and it
00:23:56.540 was it was just unbelievable that this one that's amazing i want to play basketball i was like well
00:24:01.740 what if you play at night i can't do it let's change it right like you give give students the
00:24:06.700 opportunity to focus in on what they care about what they're passionate about what their strengths
00:24:11.500 are and then we can really really change education yeah absolutely i a thousand and you know canada
00:24:19.260 i mean so the way it works in canada and it's a little bit obviously different in the states is
00:24:24.620 each provincial government sets educational guidelines for the province so i know it's
00:24:30.380 different for you guys so i have a curriculum that i follow that the ontario government or
00:24:35.180 the ontario ministry of education has set and that would be different depending on what province you
00:24:39.900 go and that curriculum there's there's a lot of hoops and whatever to change it or to to moderate
00:24:46.620 it or whatever, but that applies to every school across the board. Whereas in the States, from what
00:24:51.620 I understand, it's not so common. I know you guys have common core, but really individual schools,
00:24:58.840 sometimes boards, sometimes districts get to decide what the curriculum is going to be.
00:25:03.780 And what I've seen over the years is we've really made a move away from, especially at the high
00:25:09.680 school, obviously the high school, we moved away from anything vocational. So there used to be this
00:25:15.140 amazing school close to where I teach and it was a vocational school so it was like a tech school
00:25:21.720 and they had a car wing they had um esthetician and hair wing they had a cooking and I you go
00:25:31.580 there and it was these kids did everything I'm like they also did obviously the curriculum that
00:25:38.700 they had to pass but then there's these amazing you know woodworking and and that kind of thing
00:25:45.020 And I'm just like, this is, this is amazing. But of course, of course, it was in a low income area. Of course, it was geared towards kids that they've just decided aren't smart enough. And I use that, I don't like air quotes. For those who are listening, I used air quotes, scratch that. They've decided these are the kids that are low income. There was some gang issues within the area. They're not going to go to university anyway. So this is what we're going to give them.
00:26:13.020 what I have a big problem with is number one, they got rid of the school. It's done. It doesn't
00:26:19.280 exist anymore. But number two, why on earth are we prioritizing one form of education and passion
00:26:26.700 over another? Why on earth are we deciding which kids should be going where? And I'll tell you,
00:26:33.760 it takes one hell of a lot of intelligence to be an amazing mechanic or an electrician,
00:26:38.400 or it takes a creative genius to be a chef why are we undervaluing it and and now we're getting
00:26:47.000 rid of it all together right just like oh out it goes I wish I wish I had an answer for you because
00:26:53.860 it would be awesome to see it circle back the other way um I remember when I was in high school
00:27:01.180 I took a woodworking class I haven't I haven't gone back to my high school since but I hope it's
00:27:07.760 still there because that was valuable to me and i i do nothing with woodwork but there are kids
00:27:14.580 that need need those outlets right like i think i think as as teachers it's important to to stress
00:27:23.120 to kids college isn't for everybody there's amazing things that you can do without going to
00:27:28.440 college you know yeah well absolutely but also like i have kids that will be like listen you
00:27:36.620 know, electrician or plumber or whatever. And you're like, well, my mom wants me to go to
00:27:40.120 university. I'm like, heck yeah. Do it all. Do it all. If you're not hung up by economic boundaries,
00:27:48.060 then you know what? Go to university or go to college, get a business degree, learn how to run
00:27:53.040 your own business so that when you get to do what you love, you get to be, you're going to be a
00:27:58.340 mechanic. You can own your own shop. You're going to own your own plumbing company, your own
00:28:01.920 electrical company. You're going to create your own line of furniture and sell it to all the
00:28:06.780 yuppies downtown Toronto. Do it all. Do it all. Don't restrict yourself. And I'm so exhausted
00:28:15.960 in our education system of watching us restrict kids. You're good at this. This is what you're
00:28:25.360 going to do. This is all you're going to do. I think we should be sort of forcing us, and I say
00:28:30.680 this all the time i like to try to do what i suck at for a while let's see if i can get better well
00:28:39.500 i think that's how you become a better person right like you take you take weaknesses that
00:28:44.560 you have and you try to grow them into strengths absolutely that's that's a value a skill that
00:28:51.900 society our world even needs more of is saying hey i'm i'm not very good at this i'm gonna work
00:29:00.160 to build it up absolutely i think we just need to have more space for that but i guess i guess
00:29:06.480 the bottom line of that space is like for anything else how much money are we willing to invest
00:29:14.720 right i think that's the bottom line i think that's fair yeah right it'd be nice too if
00:29:23.360 so i'm going to go a different route then and i'm going to say it'd be nice it'd be nice too because
00:29:27.520 i feel like society lacks in in things that don't even cost money like empathy and and kindness
00:29:35.420 right like if we if we could take some time to focus in on those areas and how how can i be a
00:29:43.560 better person it's not going to cost you any money like let's just learn how to be kinder or for for
00:29:50.280 you and i like i know i've read i've read comments that you get on videos you post you've got trolls
00:29:56.460 in there like I do. What if we could teach those people like, hey, do you understand the person
00:30:02.940 behind the video you're watching is a real person? Yeah, exactly. Pump the brakes for a second and
00:30:09.160 ask yourself, are you helping to make the world a better place? Or are you diminishing what you
00:30:16.280 probably believe if the keyboard's gone? Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. And I think this goes into
00:30:24.540 something that i was really excited to talk to you about which is sort of we have a huge push
00:30:29.500 up here i don't know what it looks like down there of of mental health and mental health
00:30:34.700 access and especially mental health of our kids going through all of the covet and the lockdowns
00:30:39.420 and the masks and all of that and everybody's saying well kids have to be in school because
00:30:44.220 that's where they're they're mentally healthy and and i start looking at all of this stuff
00:30:50.300 um and start thinking a few things a uh i'm not trained in men i don't know about you
00:30:57.180 i haven't been trained in mental health so how if we're serious about it and i'm serious about it
00:31:02.780 why not have somebody at the school who's a child psychologist and their sole job isn't to come
00:31:08.460 there on a tuesday of every second month is to exist there and be there for the kids why not
00:31:14.620 that why not if we're gonna if mental health is so incredibly important why not big bring back
00:31:21.740 physical fitness on a significant level or or nutritional health on a significant level
00:31:29.500 and we don't do any of these things yet we say well when kids aren't at school they're not healthy
00:31:34.300 well i also worry what's going on at home right are you just trying to get them out of your house
00:31:40.060 is the home the problem because if the home is the source of the unhealthy kid mentally speaking
00:31:48.380 we're not solving that problem by sending them off to school during a pandemic
00:31:53.580 right right because they still have to go now they can spend less time there
00:31:57.980 but we're still not dealing with that problem so now i know in the states you guys don't have full
00:32:03.820 medical coverage i mean up here there's been a huge push to include mental health in physical
00:32:11.820 health right so you want you need to see a psychologist you go for free we don't have
00:32:16.780 that here by the way lots of people would like to see that here but i think for kids
00:32:22.460 do you not feel like that is you're just talking about empathy you're talking about all of these
00:32:28.300 really big things when in actuality these kids grade five grade whatever are going through
00:32:35.020 heaven only knows what do we not think that that is a vital investment to be made yeah it a hundred
00:32:44.700 percent is i so so my my school is different that we uh we went remote from march till the end of
00:32:56.540 of the year in 2020 and we've been in person since then oh wow so so i sit at a very different place
00:33:04.240 than than a lot of other people that i talk to but but what you're saying is still true like
00:33:10.880 kids still need that opportunity to talk to professionals right like i i love talking about
00:33:20.640 social emotional health and learning right i'm not a psychologist like i i do things like read
00:33:27.680 books about how to help kids and how to talk to kids and all of this i'm not trained i don't have
00:33:34.080 a college degree in psychology we we need kids to have those opportunities to just sit down and have
00:33:42.080 some some true conversations that they don't have with me because i'm not trained to do that right
00:33:48.960 and you talked about yeah at home there's things that go on at home
00:33:56.240 i don't know how else to reiterate what you said because you nailed it on the head like we
00:34:01.920 we need more for our school districts to help kids with areas that are not academically related
00:34:11.440 and i think i think two school districts need to kind of pump the brakes on
00:34:15.680 reading writing and arithmetic and we need to we need to say these are important
00:34:23.120 but so is mental health and so we're going to knock out some time blocks and make time for that
00:34:29.200 because i i went i went to a school district the other week and and talked to them about the
00:34:35.920 importance of social emotional learning and embedding it in everything you do and one
00:34:40.720 teacher looked at me and said well i don't have time to do that and i was just taken back because
00:34:46.160 i sit i sit at the point where i'm like standards are secondary to me they're very important but
00:34:52.320 they are secondary to loving kids and being there for them so i build time right and i i feel like
00:34:58.560 other teachers feel the stress that governments put on them and the hats they have to wear and
00:35:04.400 it becomes a it becomes a very thin line of what you're talking about we're not trained to do all
00:35:09.040 of this very little of it yes you know in that in that capacity for sure yeah and we we keep getting
00:35:19.040 hats thrown on our heads like okay well you're the teacher and sorry we don't have enough money so
00:35:26.080 now you're the art teacher too sorry we don't have enough money so gym class that's on you
00:35:32.700 like there's there's just a lot of there's a lot of stuff that I think needs to be needs to be
00:35:39.860 worked out the importance of the world needs to be worked out and I I hope that I hope that COVID
00:35:47.080 has helped us to take a step back and realize that right like I talk about with with my kids
00:35:54.780 if math isn't your favorite thing in life that doesn't hurt my feelings I don't care
00:35:59.540 let's figure out what it is it goes back to what we were saying let's figure out what's most
00:36:03.480 important to you and let's grow on those strengths and figure out how to be the best person that you
00:36:08.200 can be I don't know I probably went off on a tangent there no not at all no I think that's
00:36:17.360 all incredibly important and I think that it's interesting because if anybody would ever listen
00:36:22.900 to a psych call if we're so see mental health gets thrown around here like a political you know
00:36:29.060 it's totally political hot potato that they just say it like they're supposed to say it but nobody
00:36:34.780 actually is doing anything about it but if somebody could show there there would be such
00:36:39.620 causal links between mental health child protection child empowerment at a young age
00:36:47.320 and their physical health their future physical health their future um health surrounding drugs
00:36:55.260 and alcohol their future health surrounding um obviously mental health their future surrounding
00:37:01.740 are they going to become embedded in some kind of criminal activity all of these things cost us a
00:37:07.500 boatload of money boatload of money all of this offset for not taking care of mental health here
00:37:15.980 all of this costs a hundred times more than this ever would but nobody's willing to
00:37:22.140 pay for them at the same time because we're going to have to to transition right we're still going
00:37:27.900 to have the crappy outcomes from not taking care of this generation's mental health but if we flood
00:37:34.620 flood and i do mean flood the educational system with a mental health overview for the next
00:37:41.420 generation we're going to be paying we're going to be paying twice as much for a while but then
00:37:47.420 watch how it cleans up, right? Watch how, you know, I don't, my kid has horrible mental health 0.78
00:37:53.820 at home. He has to be back at school. I don't know how I'm supposed to do this. And I want to
00:37:57.960 take a step back and tell that parent, listen to how you're speaking. How about, and I know it's
00:38:05.020 not easy and I know it's not, you know, there's no clear answers, but people need to start taking
00:38:11.680 accountability of the role they play. Everybody's like, my kid gets no socialization because they're
00:38:17.860 under lockdown. My answer to them is always, we can go outside. We said no sitting in a classroom
00:38:27.500 with your face covered and sitting six feet away from somebody and no sports, by the way,
00:38:33.000 or anything like that up here. We never said don't go outside. We never said don't get physical
00:38:38.560 activity nobody's ever said that what what people have done in this mess of a pandemic
00:38:46.640 is they've decided if i can't do that everything else is off the table and i'm not changing anything
00:38:53.680 right that was that was something part of me part of me is happy my kids were the age that they
00:38:59.280 were when covet happened because their life in school wasn't affected right he wishes that they
00:39:06.080 they were a little bit older because when it did start happening we went on more walks right like
00:39:11.500 family we became closer we talked yeah we we played more we my son what was it he was he was
00:39:20.780 three my daughter was two like we played on the ground with him more like it brought us together
00:39:28.140 more and the fact my kid can't socialize I know that socializing face to face is way different
00:39:35.020 than a computer but how many of those people that say that also then let their kid go play on like
00:39:41.900 ps5 or xbox and that's what their kid does for socialization at school you're like well yes
00:39:49.020 you kid can do what they were still doing trust me they're at school like this anyways
00:39:57.020 it it looks the same oh it looks the same because we're not socializing well at this point
00:40:04.860 We need a complete overhaul of the way we do school and it has nothing to, COVID should
00:40:10.480 have highlighted, rather than saying, go back to school so you can socialize, COVID should
00:40:15.260 have highlighted, wow, we're doing school wrong anyways before.
00:40:18.080 We got to really revamp all of that.
00:40:22.040 And it's not because the teachers don't want to work hard and it's not because the kids
00:40:26.520 don't want to talk.
00:40:27.180 No, we have been lulled into a methodology of sit down, be quiet, take your, it's all, it's all bad. It's all bad. And the more kids you have in your class, by the way, the less socializing that happens. I tell you a lot of, a lot of bullying happens. A lot of like texting.
00:40:48.480 a lot of really not a lot of cliques happen yeah and and but we're not necessarily socializing um
00:40:58.000 that word has been thrown around more times especially in this province and i don't think
00:41:04.000 people know what it means anymore i think they keep using it i'm like i don't think you understand
00:41:08.400 the word because that's not what's happening and it never was happening in high school um
00:41:14.720 Um, you know, I don't know if it's true, same as down there.
00:41:18.240 Well, it's probably, it's probably close to socialization and social media are, are like
00:41:22.980 becoming intertwined with each other.
00:41:25.560 That that's what kids think of is socializing, right?
00:41:29.700 Is, is friends that I have on the internet that I've, I've never met, I've never done
00:41:34.040 anything with, but I really liked this post that they had.
00:41:37.300 So they're my friend.
00:41:39.180 Well, there we go.
00:41:40.500 And everything has changed, right?
00:41:42.740 Whereas, and that's the, you know, for me, a lot of people are like, oh, well, when they come into school, you have to put your phones away, you have to put them in your locker, you're not going to have them like, I don't know about that. Because part of me, as a teacher, I think it's my job to teach them how to have that device, and still be a part of the world. Because guess what, this device isn't going away.
00:42:07.160 So I can lock them up at the beginning of class, but then I'm not doing what I need to be doing,
00:42:12.620 which is teaching them how to balance that, teach them how to be present, and then still respond to
00:42:18.340 their mom about a text message, because it's usually their mom texting them in the middle
00:42:21.300 class anyway. Like, all of these things, we need, they're all in a very fine balance. And we've done
00:42:28.540 a really, really bad job at enforcing the balance. I have lots of parents who are like,
00:42:34.980 Joanna I can't get my son off the PlayStation and my and I get called I don't know if you get I get
00:42:41.460 calls to parent people's kids a lot and my response would be take it yes what do you mean you can't get
00:42:49.400 him off it I had a student he's probably he's probably in 10th or 11th grade now but when he
00:42:59.840 was in he was in my class in fourth grade his his dad came to me he's like I just have a real
00:43:05.700 problem with him falling asleep and I was like well what's what's going on like what's happening
00:43:10.540 he's like he won't shut the tv off and I said well did you ask him to go to his room yeah he's
00:43:17.580 in his room the tv's in his room I was like then take the tv away like like it's not rocket science
00:43:25.280 look, like I'll have parents and it'll be like, I can't get my kid off the phone. I said, and I
00:43:30.680 joke with my kids all the time. I've never actually done it, but I swear to God, one, one time I'm
00:43:34.360 going to film a TikTok. I'm going to get a fake phone and I'm going to plan it with a kid. And
00:43:38.380 I'm going to say, listen, I'm going to take this from you in class. Cause you haven't listened to
00:43:42.520 me when I asked you to put it away and you're playing a game. We're going to have a little bit
00:43:45.400 of a theatrical presentation. I'm going to take it. And the whole class can go out to my car
00:43:50.860 and I'm going to tuck it behind my tire and I'm going to back up.
00:43:55.080 And we're going to watch the response of everybody.
00:43:58.180 I said, parents are afraid of having, like, if I take the PlayStation away,
00:44:05.840 Joanne, or if I take the phone away, then I have to deal with my kids.
00:44:09.460 The behavior that comes with it.
00:44:12.160 Like, you don't want to get to that point, right?
00:44:15.300 There it is.
00:44:16.380 How are we here?
00:44:17.880 and and let's assume you have a 15 year old that's going to give you all sorts of attitude when you
00:44:21.800 take away their phone okay well that's where we are here we are do you want to leave it like this
00:44:27.880 forever or do you want to fix it now it's kind of choice it's kind of like where um in batman they
00:44:34.040 say it's always darkest before the light right like if you let it like the batman you get if
00:44:41.240 If you let it get bad, it's going to get worse when you try to fix it.
00:44:46.640 But if you stick with it and you're consistent, it'll be better.
00:44:51.100 It just takes a little bit of time once you let it get that bad.
00:44:53.620 I made a video.
00:44:56.480 I don't remember when it was.
00:44:58.140 I've made a couple phone videos.
00:45:00.700 And I always get hate for it.
00:45:02.580 The latest one that I made, I walked up and I said,
00:45:05.820 hey, you've been on your phone for five minutes.
00:45:07.500 It's time to put it away.
00:45:09.020 The kid says, I'm not going to do it.
00:45:10.840 I say, okay, thanks for being honest. I move on. I saw that video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I come back
00:45:15.160 later and I say, okay, now we're going to sit down and we're going to have a plan, right? Like we're
00:45:19.660 either going to talk to your parents, your phone does this, but it's that consistency. I'm not
00:45:24.100 going to have a, I'm not going to have a power struggle with you in the moment when there's
00:45:27.400 20 other kids. Horrible idea. That's what you learned. That's what you learned teaching year
00:45:32.880 one, two, and three. No power struggles in front of their friends because they will die on that
00:45:39.580 hill they will bleed to death they will rot and stink up the classroom but they are going to die
00:45:44.620 in front of their friends before backing down to any teacher i will get suspended but i will
00:45:49.260 not be embarrassed in front of my friends right exactly and that's so that's where that came from
00:45:55.020 and i got i got comments about like embarrass them and they'll learn do this and they'll learn
00:46:00.220 i'm like just understand where i'm coming from right like i'm not going to distract everybody
00:46:05.180 else's learning. But I'm also not going to let that slide. I understand that what they're doing
00:46:10.280 is disrespectful. We will have that talk and I will hold them accountable because I'm not going
00:46:15.540 to let it go down the road where they think I'm going to come into class and I'm going to be on
00:46:19.360 my phone because he's just going to say, oh, thanks for being honest. That's not how it works.
00:46:24.460 Right. That's not the end of the conversation. Yes. Right. That's what's hard sometimes on
00:46:29.740 tiktok you got 60 seconds to tell a story yeah and we do the best we can to tell that story
00:46:35.660 absolutely i think it's interesting because i i mean don't get me wrong like i said like you are
00:46:41.500 the nicest most well balanced teacher and i applaud you i don't think i have your pay i well
00:46:48.880 i know i don't have your patience um but i have learned about that hill that i'm not going to die
00:46:55.160 on. So I know that sometimes, especially when teenagers get a little bit older, and I have a
00:47:01.620 very open classroom, right? They call me by my first name. I love good debates. I like discussions.
00:47:06.460 We can joke around, but then there's the line. Every teacher knows where the line is. And I say,
00:47:11.740 guys, and I always say, guys, that's the line, right? And then you'll have a kid push it a little
00:47:17.180 bit harder. And I'll say, dude, no, that's the line. That's we're drawing the line. We're going
00:47:21.640 to move on. And then sometimes every once in a blue moon, it gets less as you get older.
00:47:28.040 A kid wants to still push it. And I'll very calmly say, okay, you're going to go down this road.
00:47:34.420 Are you sure this is the hill you want to die on? And whatever it is he or she is doing,
00:47:42.360 if they don't change their behavior, I'll say, fine. And I'll leave it because I'm not going
00:47:48.720 to do that in classroom, right? It's the, after the classroom, I then say, okay, now here are all
00:47:55.540 the ramifications because this was the hill you chose. So now here's the consequence. And, and
00:48:01.760 sometimes they'll say, well, I don't like the consequence. And I'll say, I don't care. Here's
00:48:07.140 the consequences. Yep. Here are the consequences. I gave you ample time to nicely not go down the
00:48:14.860 road anymore. You still chose to traverse. So here we are. My biggest problem is when I give
00:48:21.100 the consequences and the parents say things like, but Joanna, I still think they should have their
00:48:27.480 phone. And I'm like, oh, now it's not an option. Those are, those are my favorite when I hate that
00:48:35.860 because they don't want to fight at home. You're right. I say it's my favorite. It's really not.
00:48:40.800 it's my least favorite but those are those are the hard moments as teachers right when
00:48:44.720 when you're like here's the boundary that I set your kid crossed that line here's the
00:48:51.080 consequence that happens and the parents like well I just I don't think that that's really fair
00:48:55.140 and you look at him I can't I I don't care if it if you think it's fair or not I told your student
00:49:02.940 this would happen or this would happen yeah they made this choice this is what they live with we
00:49:08.020 got to go down that road. That's, and I'm going to ask you, I'm going to ask you that because
00:49:11.820 lots of people say, if you could give a piece of advice to a new teacher, what would it be?
00:49:16.840 And I always say, and I'm going to ask you for your piece of advice too, as we're already rounding
00:49:21.740 up to an hour, man, we could talk for, we're going to have to make this a series. I think
00:49:25.860 we didn't even go down any of the roads. We said we were going to go down. Um, but I always say
00:49:31.900 this. Have crystal clear expectations. Have crystal clear consequences. And come heaven or
00:49:43.700 hell, follow through with those consequences with all of your weight and respect for as long as you
00:49:52.540 need to, and then add your personality after. That's it. That's it. It's clear expectation,
00:50:00.440 clear consequence, respect, and then follow up. What would be your, you know, I'm a brand new
00:50:06.860 teacher. I'm going to go into year one. It's going to suck. What's your advice?
00:50:15.240 I feel like I have to give two because the second one's going to go down your route.
00:50:20.660 The first one is that, remember, there's always tomorrow. One of the things that I really
00:50:26.060 struggled with was um working outside contracted hours and not that there's anything wrong with
00:50:33.260 that but i mean i was staying late at oh yeah way later than i needed to right there's always
00:50:39.980 tomorrow right like no matter how long you sit there and you make sure that everything looks
00:50:45.380 aesthetically pleasing kids are going to be there kids are going to love you if you treat them with
00:50:51.380 respect and if you if you show them that you care about them so there's always tomorrow the other
00:50:57.180 one is pretty much exactly what you're saying set firm limitations give choices but then also
00:51:07.140 follow through like if that third piece of not following through isn't that third one
00:51:11.480 then your year's going to be hell right and and i i struggled with that as a first year teacher
00:51:19.080 because it was very much, well, you got to do this or this is going to happen. You do this or
00:51:23.880 this is going to happen. But I really struggled with that following through part. Once you learn
00:51:30.140 the importance of, hey, you can choose to do your math now, or we can call your grownup and we'll do
00:51:38.040 it together after school. Which one would you like? You choose not to do it. All right, we're
00:51:42.300 calling your grownup. I'm not going to be scared. We're going to call him. And that's what's going
00:51:47.240 happen but you got to follow through so you give my my big thing i guess was give choices and follow
00:51:53.480 through make sure that there are two things or three things that you can actually follow through
00:51:57.800 with absolutely that's it that's it and that's i would expect you know parenting and teaching i
00:52:04.920 mean that's what we're doing for eight hours a day um it's a lot of parenting that comes with my
00:52:09.880 teaching because that's the case and if i don't not only does do i lose that student if i don't
00:52:16.200 have a clear consequence and follow through the other 15 of them just realized amazing this is
00:52:23.320 going to be a fun year because joanna is going to say we have to do it after school but we know joanna
00:52:29.240 doesn't want to stay after school she's not going to stay after school she's not going to call my
00:52:32.200 mom because she doesn't want to have that conversation because my mom's a real pain in the 0.98
00:52:34.840 butt and i'm just going to get to go outside there it is and there is the downward spiral 0.96
00:52:40.600 i think of a lot to be honest i don't even think it is teaching i think this is just a world
00:52:46.460 lesson i think everybody should learn this lesson no matter where you live no matter what you
00:52:50.500 job you do i think it's a valuable it's a valuable thing it 100 is i so i first read about it in
00:52:59.940 love and logic amazing book it was set for parenting i read as it as a teacher and i just
00:53:07.300 work to imply it, it changed my life when I realized, oh, okay, so I can't say we're going
00:53:13.840 to do it after school if I'm not willing to do that, right? Like we got to give, if we're going
00:53:18.780 to give choices, they have to be things that we can follow through with. And then we avoid things
00:53:24.180 like burnout, like teaching is always going to be hard, but that's where some of those harder
00:53:30.880 parts come in when we can't follow through with what we say.
00:53:36.400 Amazing. And on that note, I think we've solved all the educational crises in the world. I think
00:53:40.360 we're good to go. Josh, thank you so much. Josh from Nebraska, my first Nebraskan. Thank you so
00:53:46.500 much for being on my podcast. I really appreciate it. I would love to have you back on, talk about
00:53:51.120 maybe we'll solve some other crises later. I appreciate it. I had a lot of fun, Joanna.
00:53:56.140 And it has been amazing to sit down and talk with you, learn with you, and grow with you.
00:54:02.220 Thank you so much, love.
00:54:03.700 Go check him out on TikTok.
00:54:05.440 What's your TikTok handle?
00:54:06.820 At Mr. Monroe and Nala.
00:54:09.440 There we go.
00:54:10.560 And I will put everything, all the links in the bio in the description down here.
00:54:14.500 Thank you guys so much for hanging out.
00:54:16.260 We will see you next Tuesday.
00:54:18.440 Same bat time, same bat station. 0.94
00:54:20.960 Dismissed. 1.00