00:00:00.000class is in session hi everybody welcome to unlearn 16 guys today today i've decided to
00:00:10.560traverse to go into an area i never go into to be perfectly honest and i'm going to go there
00:00:17.200with humor and some serious questions and bring you along for the ride with reverend daniel who
00:00:23.440I've had, I don't know, the lucky, I feel myself lucky to have found you on Twitter and to have found the way in which you are able to craft your words on that platform to put people in their place and predominantly, let's say, from your side of the religious fence.
00:00:46.500Welcome. Thank you so much for coming on. Maybe you can give the listeners a little bit about yourself so we know where we're starting from.
00:00:53.440Yeah, thanks for having me. So my name is Daniel Brereton. I'm an Anglican priest in the Anglican Church of Canada. I've been ordained, it'll be 25 years this May. I'm a parish priest. I have a small congregation in Mississauga, just outside Toronto in Ontario.
00:01:14.560um but a number of years ago i got involved on twitter and and that's kind of just grown into
00:01:22.300a big part of my ministry and uh and over covid when churches and like everything else sort of
00:01:28.380shut down um the whole online thing became really important and and one of the main ways that i
00:01:34.920engage not only my own parishioners but other people and um yeah that's it's it's been a really
00:01:41.280interesting experience sort of being religious online uh and not in a right-wing fundamentalist
00:01:49.360kind of way because they as we as we'll talk about i'm sure they they dominate the religion
00:01:55.200religious uh area absolutely absolutely you first of all okay i'm gonna ask as everybody i am not i
00:02:02.720would consider myself agnostic uh maybe leaning towards atheism although i really hope for zeus
00:02:08.880is that i'm just putting that out there um get good what i've always been drawn to
00:02:17.120and i have some friends like this i have some co-workers like this i've always been drawn
00:02:22.800to an authentic faith and what i mean by that is you can i think you can see coming a mile away
00:02:28.480somebody who just feels something in their heart and has no push or desire or drive to make sure
00:02:36.640that what they believe and what they connect to is what everybody else needs to connect to um and so
00:02:43.360i've always been drawn to that and right away re you know reading your tweets i'm like oh no this
00:02:48.080guy this guy's amazing can i ask a question about anglicanism before we start sure is it true i just
00:02:56.080want to make it clear i i am not authorized to speak on behalf of the whole anglican communion
00:03:00.560but i will do my best i'm gonna get that out of the way wait is it true that really the only
00:03:07.440difference between catholicism and anglicanism is the whole divorce is that about the crux of it
00:03:20.320uh the anglican church uh organizationally separated from rome over henry gates divorce
00:03:29.040got it a moment i am i got it yeah um but i know this there's a lot there's a lot more differences
00:03:35.540um i mean you know the thing is the roman catholic church it's one church throughout the world right
00:03:41.980with one pope uh so it's the roman catholic church in canada or the roman catholic church
00:03:47.160in the united states whereas i am part of the anglican church of canada so the anglican church
00:03:53.560which is worldwide, is made up of independent national churches, which have a historical link to the Church of England, but they're independent.
00:04:02.980So you have Anglican churches that ordain women as priests and bishops and others that don't.
00:04:08.100You have Anglican churches that authorize same-sex marriage and others that don't.
00:04:13.120Oh, there's a lot of balls in the air then.
00:04:17.120Yeah, it's kind of like the Commonwealth where we all have these kind of historic connections to England that were independent.
00:04:22.660yeah oh my god okay so so it depends on the okay yeah all right so it's kind of like you guys
00:04:29.740really are the the very sort of i guess link between complete protestantism which is like
00:04:38.920individual connection to god individual you know and 50 000 different sex and then catholicism
00:04:44.780i can never say the word sect properly in order to make sure people don't think i'm saying sex
00:04:51.380No, I was in this show, this play called The Clergy Project. And we had this poster with myself, a Unitarian minister and a woman Jewish rabbi. And the three of us are walking down the street, all in our robes. And the meme was sex in the city, which I love.
00:05:09.300So that's amazing. So it's really it really sits in the middle, right? It sits in the middle of this very dominant hierarchy and papal infallibility of the Catholic Church. And then the sort of I don't wish to say free for all, but it's kind of what I mean of the Protestant, like a whole bunch of different divisions.
00:05:31.960I, I've studied some religion. I teach world religion. So I'm superficially, let's say, aware of, you know, some of those some of those lines. Okay, so you're not just about divorce. There's a lot of different things going on. Women can be ministers is a big thing. Obviously, same sex marriage is a big thing. Yeah, I met I'm going to tell you a quick story. And then I want us to get into Twitter and what you think about it.
00:05:58.880But, um, I, when I was in like third university, my dad passed and I was very upset, but at the
00:06:04.380same time I was taking world religions class and I didn't know what to do with all of this. Cause
00:06:08.000like, it was like a long time ago, nobody went to therapy. No, you just don't. And then moved
00:06:13.440on with your day. And the funny part was, and especially me, I'm very, I was very closed off
00:06:19.220kind of thing. I wasn't out yet. I was just very much like, I'm just going to do school.
00:06:22.980and I was doing a research project about whatever my world religious class and I was comparing
00:06:30.840Anglicanism and another faith and I went and I just got a random interview with an Anglican
00:06:36.480minister that happened to be on here on campus in in um western at western university that's where
00:06:43.540I went I graduated from here on college yeah oh my god so I I wish I could remember this woman's
00:06:49.440name I would drive just to be counseled by her and I went to her and I asked her all the questions
00:06:54.320I had to ask and at some point she said are you okay and I was just like like everything came out
00:07:03.340of my mouth and I kept going back to her she she counseled me she she was my therapist yeah she
00:07:09.280never spoke about God one time it wasn't like that it was like here try this try writing this
00:07:15.020kind of thing or try doing this or try speaking this and i was i was a she was a woman so that
00:07:22.100was rare for the time and be the way she spoke i remember her early on when i was interviewing her
00:07:29.040probably what made me feel so comfortable is i was talking about different faiths and different
00:07:33.620let's say paths to a creator whatever you want and she she goes to be honest and this is what
00:07:42.240I love about her. God, I wish I could remember her name. She said, I was born in Christianity.
00:07:47.600I was born in this culture. I was born in this time. So is that probably why I stand where I
00:07:53.900stand? Yes. But when I think, for example, of a Buddhist mentality or a Hindu belief and this
00:08:02.400notion that God is everywhere or the way that you come about, that kind of record, do I see it all
00:08:08.840is interconnected? Yeah. Yeah, I do. And she said, so I don't care how anybody gets, which I've never
00:08:16.260heard anybody say until that moment. She goes, I don't care how anybody feels connected
00:08:23.000to something bigger. And that something bigger, it was just so opposite any religious figure ever,
00:08:31.300right? Like in my head, it's the old white guy with the long hair sitting in the big throne
00:08:34.980behind the gates right um you know or alanis morissette if you've seen dogma one of the two0.64
00:08:42.340um and i'm not sure which is scarier actually but who would i want to face in the next life i'm not
00:08:48.820sure but damn it if we know what the word irony means exactly you want to know what i was amazed
00:09:00.340by. And it didn't make me want, it's not like I'm like rushing to join a faith of any kind,0.90
00:09:07.960but it made me love the idea of being connected. And I see that pattern
00:09:12.860replicated again and again and again in a whole bunch of different ways.
00:09:19.160How do you see that? Like you're Christian, were you born into it? Is this something,
00:09:25.080because I always am fascinated with how do you choose? Look, there's 12 major world religions,
00:09:29.640if you're not counting a lot of the other, right?
00:18:28.820Okay, so the 1946 documentary, if anybody hasn't seen clips or hasn't seen the actual thing, was the idea that the word homosexual did not appear in any version of the Bible until 1946.
00:18:44.760And it, from what I understand, it took place of the word pedophile, or it was reinterpreted.
00:18:52.720Yeah. I mean, the original Greek word in its translation suggests pedophilia or sex with a temple prostitute. Like it wasn't just sex between men. There was a context there.0.99
00:19:12.500Stop right now. We should just do a whole podcast on temple prostitutes.1.00
00:19:16.140Again, not something I have a lot of experience with.
00:19:19.040going to google all right after this sorry so go ahead so so yeah i mean i think what happened
00:19:25.880with that is that is that um a very specific context around you know what we what we could
00:19:33.600say is you know does the bible talk about homosexual activity yes but always within
00:19:38.940specific context right and that context was lost by just sort of using the word homosexual
00:19:44.940it suddenly meant that the context of the act doesn't matter anymore.
00:19:50.060Just the fact that someone is homosexual is itself a sin and to be condemned.
00:19:56.640And so a whole political cultural bias that isn't necessarily there in those passages is suddenly applied to all of those passages.0.58
00:20:07.540And just the whole Bible is against homosexuality now.
00:20:11.020And then, you know, several generations growing up with that.
00:20:14.940Now, let's break this down a little bit, because I think about this in two ways. I'm going to put the whole, I'm going to put, it wasn't ever in the Bible. I'm going to put that over here for a second, because that's one road. The one road is you forget the context. You're not paying attention to the context. So therefore, you know, we're going to, we'll deal with that separately. Let's, let's say, for argument's sake, it's in there. And it's only in the Old Testament. Am I right?
00:20:40.240uh no there are um there are passages in uh like in paul's letter to the romans that talks about
00:20:48.420god um you know giving giving them over to unnatural lusts and desires for you know their
00:20:57.500own their own sex kind of thing so um so there i mean inference in that or was it more specific
00:21:04.600are you just trying to be careful with your words right now no i think i think it i think it was um
00:21:10.240So, yeah, I mean, yes, I think there is condemnation of, of same sex activity in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. But again, I think, I think you have to look at the context around that. And even in, in Paul's letters to the Romans, where he's, where he's talking about this, what's often missed is that he's basically setting his audience up because he's basically saying to the Christian church in Rome, which is made up of Jews and Gentiles.
00:21:39.180he's going through all of this because his whole his whole idea is we're all sin we're all sinners
00:21:45.620we all fall short we all need god's grace and so what he does is he goes through and he lists all
00:21:50.780of these taboos which would have you know all the people in the church would have been like yes those
00:21:55.400people are terrible those people are beyond the pale and just as he's got them all worked up about
00:21:59.820all those sinners that god condemns he pulls the roll the rug from out from under them and says and0.97
00:22:04.980you, you guys are just as bad. You need God's grace just as much. So the point wasn't to point
00:22:11.840out, here's all the people God condemns, but to make the bigger argument that in judging others,
00:22:17.520you yourself are guilty of the, of the thing you're judging others for.
00:22:22.060Now, here's, here's the argument I tend to think about when people talk, even when people raise it,
00:22:27.560like without the context, forget that, you know what I mean? They're just like, it's there,
00:22:31.520it's there it's there and i my response would always be so is slavery yeah exactly exactly so
00:22:38.880my question is if you are adamantly opposed to homosexuality are you adamantly in support
00:22:50.160yeah slavery because i'm going to need to hear those two sentences go hand in hand0.93
00:22:54.160Right. Because if the Bible, old and new, is infallible in the sense of context or infallible in the sense of application to today, then if you ate fish, if you ate meat on Friday, what?
00:23:11.160yeah right and then and so it all kind of falls apart and that's where i start to say
00:23:16.680well if like i feel like that's a valid is it a valid way to go at the argument or do people just
00:23:23.820you know no i think that is and i mean that that's something that you know that's an argument i've
00:23:28.680often had it's like it you know as as a more i guess i i probably would be called a more liberal
00:23:34.840or progressive Christian. And one of the, you know, the constant accusations from the right
00:23:41.260wing evangelicals are, well, you people don't take, you people cherry pick the Bible. You decide
00:23:46.580which parts of the Bible you want to follow and what you like, and then you ignore the rest.
00:23:51.160Well, there's nobody that doesn't do that. Everyone cherry picks. You can't, because the
00:23:58.540Bible contradicts itself in some places. You know, so yes, I think, I mean, I think that's a great
00:24:05.840argument that, you know, yes, let's say the Bible's against homosexuality, but it's against all kinds0.63
00:24:11.000of things that we all do now. It seems to support things that we've all, as a culture, have agreed0.89
00:24:18.500to get rid of, like slavery. You know, and what I find is that, you know, my argument has always
00:24:25.480been why why are the goalposts allowed to move on certain issues right which which even the most
00:24:32.120fundamentalist churches have accepted uh like divorce right i mean jesus is pretty clear
00:24:38.080there's no divorce in his mind um and yet you know there's lots of divorced pastors out there
00:24:45.760that have no problem with that but but why this issue so and it just and it does seem when you go
00:24:51.660when you look back over history there's there's always there's always one issue or one group of
00:24:56.620people that are the scapegoat right these are the people you know whether it's witches or like women
00:25:01.660were burning at the stake as witches or whether it's the jews because they killed christ or
00:25:06.540whether it's you know the lgbt community or whatever there's always that group that this0.99
00:25:12.540generation of christians is going to focus on as being the you know they're the source of all sin1.00
00:25:19.960and corruption in our society and it's that need to find a scapegoat that i think you know i have
00:25:27.720the biggest problem with i mean jesus is crucified himself as a scapegoat right why do we keep
00:25:33.480crucifying each other you know cool that's a that's a great sentence you just said there why
00:25:39.640do we keep crucifying each other um yeah i think that i mean i i think it's a natural tendency
00:25:48.760unfortunately, to find simplistic solutions to complicated problems. And I think there's a very
00:25:55.700simplistic, and I've said this before in maybe different podcasts, but I think there is a0.81
00:26:00.760simplistic solution or idea, and it totally makes sense, why any religion doesn't want to support0.99
00:26:10.500the gay population pre any kind of real science and it's simple two gay people are not having
00:26:19.220babies yeah i mean very simple yeah i mean and i and i've i've made that point especially with a0.82
00:26:25.880lot of the you know the the the condemnation of homosexuality in the um the hebrew scriptures
00:26:32.360i mean you've got a small struggling nation that's that's surrounded by larger dominant empires
00:26:39.420they're trying to survive they want to thrive allowing people to enter not marry you know and0.96
00:26:45.780and have children that's that's a threat to the society right yeah that that context in which1.00
00:26:52.120people are looking at that right right um and you know and i think that's the other thing0.74
00:26:57.100prior to like the 19th century there there wasn't people knew that some people engaged in same sex
00:27:04.740same-sex activity. That's not a new thing. But the whole idea of sexual orientation, that people
00:27:10.680are naturally by nature attracted to who they are, for most of human history, that hasn't existed.
00:27:18.960So you also have to look at the whole Bible, which is a number of different books and things
00:27:24.120written at different times. But all of the authors of all the books of the Bible are assuming that
00:27:30.580all human beings are naturally heterosexual from their perspective. So from their perspective,
00:27:37.680anyone who engages in same-sex activity is deliberately and intentionally going against0.55
00:27:43.920their nature. And so if you believe that, it would make sense to question, why would you do that?
00:27:49.440What kind of evil forces are making you do that? When you acknowledge, and not every church still
00:27:55.960does, but I think the vast majority of us accept science and understand that there are, there's a
00:28:01.660portion of the human population that always has been and always will be, you know, oriented towards
00:28:07.960members of the same sex. When you accept that that's part of who they are, then it changes the0.88
00:28:13.120conversation. Because now we have to have conversations about, well, what's, we can talk
00:28:18.780about what's ethical in terms of how I live out my sexuality. But what we can't say anymore is
00:28:26.280my sexuality in and of itself is sinful and wrong because it is just what it is. And I don't think
00:28:33.540the Bible's dealing with that. When people talk about what does the Bible say about homosexuality,
00:28:39.260I always want to say, well, nothing. It talks about homosexual activity, but in specific context
00:29:14.640wrongdoing if if i've chosen it it's unacceptable if i was born that way and got
00:29:22.800oh sorry is that all right only you're muted on my end it's not showing it muted here that's weird
00:29:32.320so we're back sorry about that hiccup but we both agree it might be satan uh or
00:29:41.280Alanis Morissette because we made the ironic joke. One of the two. We were getting to the
00:29:47.520heart of something. And Alanis jumped right in. But I think all the things you were talking about,
00:29:56.680like speaking about context and speaking about, we were talking about when I would never sort of
00:30:01.960answer whether, you know, do I think it's a choice or not? Because I think it's ridiculous. It's0.73
00:30:06.540presupposing a negative action that I just refuse to, again, my answer usually is last Thursday
00:30:12.600when they asked me, you know, when, if I chose being gay, I'm like, well, I have better hair
00:30:19.140gay. So yeah. Why would you not choose it? Yeah. But I think it's very interesting too,0.65
00:30:26.820because a lot of people, so I wear a, I don't know if you notice, I wear a St. Christopher.
00:30:31.100I wonder what that one actually. I like the hypocrisy of St. Christopher.
00:30:34.600because he was like kicked out let back like he was he was in doubt let back in and the
00:30:42.920papal infallibility act it is like somebody had to be wrong and i just enjoy it um and i was also
00:30:49.200i surf so i was gifted it you every surfer has a anyways but i i like it a lot of people
00:30:56.080ask what my medallions are and i wear them religiously there's some irony um
00:31:01.520Alanis if you're listening obviously careful um but people will say do you worry or do you think
00:31:14.120about when you die this is the big put I think a lot do you worry about when you die and and I very
00:31:20.780honestly say they're like what do you think I said I don't think about I have zero thoughts
00:31:26.700and it's not in a you know demeaning people who think about the afterlife or anything in any kind
00:31:33.280of way other than the fact it never crosses my mind because I feel like there's two possibilities
00:31:37.460here yeah one nothing nothing or two something pretty cool and I think I've been a good enough
00:31:46.540person in this life to rate the cool factor of going somewhere cool and if I haven't walking
00:31:55.580the way I've walked I'm pretty sure it's not the cool place I want to be anyways yeah I mean when
00:32:00.940I when you when you pay attention to a lot of the people that are the most worried about the
00:32:06.640afterlife and who's going there and and certain about what it is and who gets in who doesn't I
00:32:12.520always think I don't want to spend eternity with you anyway right like it's you're not your
00:32:18.260destination isn't where I want to be anyway um I I mean and I think that's this is a big shift
00:32:24.360I think, in religion, for me anyways, is at least within Christianity, recognizing that
00:32:33.920Jesus spent way more time talking about this life and how we are to live here and now. And
00:32:41.000when he talked about the kingdom of God, right, or the kingdom of heaven, he was talking about
00:32:46.460not us getting there but how does it get here through us um and and that that was the bigger
00:32:53.800that was the bigger issue and and you know that's i don't know what the afterlife is you know i i
00:33:01.500believe that there is something beyond this i believe that that that love doesn't end i believe
00:33:07.200that what's created in love uh survives death i think that's what the whole resurrection is all
00:33:12.920about for me um and so i do believe in something but i don't know what the details are and i'm not
00:33:18.520all that concerned about it because that's that's out of my hands anyway um you know i don't know
00:33:23.120what the party will look like and i'm not in charge of the guest list um you know from my
00:33:28.060perspective i am in charge of getting invitations out what a lovely way there's me wanting to be
00:33:35.160like i got the guest list i'm in charge i'll make sure you're on the list joe so my mom says
00:33:42.020my mom knows my uncle and i was working on your behalf so we're on the atheist side my mom's like
00:33:49.780don't worry i'll take care of it when i get there just just you know me yeah yeah just give my name
00:33:57.460at the door and i think i think it's so important and i think that's what the the the fire and
00:34:07.540brimstone of hell and the eternal happiness. That's probably the part I don't like the most
00:34:13.880about Christianity because other, I don't know much about Islam in that sense. I know Judaism
00:34:19.920doesn't really spend any time talking about the afterlife, but that's the part that always
00:34:25.380bothered me for two reasons. Number one, don't threaten me. But because that's what that is.
00:34:32.660And number two, when you lead somebody to do what is right out of fear of punishment, are they ever doing what's right anyways?
00:34:43.320Yeah. I mean, I say, like, for me, the heart of the relationship that I think, you know, God, what I call God wants with us is one of love.
00:34:54.040And, you know, if I put a gun to your head and say, tell me you love me, you're probably going to do it, but you're doing it out of fear.
00:35:00.640And that's not going to establish the relationship. And that's abusive and it's manipulative. And so, you know, to me, the whole doing anything out of fear of punishment has never been, for me, the heart of what my faith should be.
00:35:16.540And it's not about how I preach. And it's not about how I engage others in conversation around Christianity or faith. Because, because to me, that's, that's a betrayal of what I think God actually is.
00:35:29.920um um fear and and you know and yeah it's sort of like i we're in lent right now you know we
00:35:37.700just entered the season and and so the the focus often becomes around sin right and and and um
00:35:44.000our our individual sin our collective sin how that separates us from god and i'm happy to talk
00:35:49.880about sin but i think of sin more as a disease that god wants to heal as opposed to a crime
00:35:56.860that God wants to punish. And I think, I think there's way more, even in the gospel, that's how
00:36:04.080I see Jesus addressing sin, right? It's, it's not, it's, it's, you know, what, what are we doing
00:36:10.600intentionally or unintentionally that gets in the way of us living abundantly and, and freely and
00:36:18.140lovingly. And we should address that, but it's, it's like a, it's like an illness that we're not
00:36:23.320responsible for but it's affecting us and the whole idea is not to blame us for that but but
00:36:28.720find out what's wrong and what do we need to heal that that's so lovely that is that is a beautiful
00:36:35.980description of what i wish uh so many people would be why do you think that is not at the forefront
00:36:43.060why do you think the matt walsh is and the marjorie taylor heaven help me or lauren
00:36:49.420Why do you think these people, and you originally said scapegoats, right? And we talked about simplicity of messaging. So if you have simplicity of messaging and key people to blame, and everything's going crappy because of them, them, them, do you think it's just a politicization tool?
00:37:09.280or do you think that maybe religion itself is politics in and of itself yes you know what i
00:37:20.320mean i don't because a lot of people say oh well it's the way politicians manipulate religion i'm
00:37:24.880like i've seen religion itself yeah yeah a lot of roads i i wouldn't want it to to run um but
00:37:31.980why do you think people why do you think people are drawn to the fire and the brimstone for lack
00:37:38.540of a better synopsis? Well, I mean, we tend to be drawn to the fire and the brimstone for other
00:37:44.780people, not for ourselves, right? Sure, of course. It's that typical, I want mercy and forgiveness
00:37:53.060for myself, and I want justice and punishment for you, right? And I think a lot of it, it does have
00:37:59.760to do with control, and that's where the politics comes up, right? And I don't just mean politics as
00:38:05.500politicians but as you said religion itself is is very political um and it's about if i know
00:38:13.020if i can point to who i know is wrong and it's it's the whole high school you know uh
00:38:19.500clique thing right if i can if i know who the outsiders are then maybe then i'm maybe
00:38:23.980then i'm an insider right um if i can condemn or judge others um then then the spotlight isn't on
00:38:32.060me um so i think part of it is is an attempt to control um i think that there are a lot of
00:38:39.580politicians do use christianity um in a way that i i don't you know i don't think they really have
00:38:46.860any actual interest in what christianity actually teaches but they know that it has a lot of cultural
00:38:53.980power um and there's a lot of votes there in that evangelical world and so i think there is a
00:39:00.460manipulation of it but that happens within religion itself too right um and yeah i think
00:39:07.100i think it is fear it it really is it's fear of um
00:39:15.900people don't want to have faith they want to know and so um if we can draw the lines yeah
00:39:23.340and make it clear then i know and then i'm and then i'm safe there it is people don't
00:39:29.500want to have faith they want to know yeah so if somebody says with all of the certainty i know
00:39:35.260and don't worry you're on the in then people will back that till their dying day which goes back to
00:39:43.660unfortunately one of my favorite uh political philosophers uh thomas hobbs who said people
00:39:49.180will give up everything if you promise them safety and security yes whatever liberty they think they
00:39:55.820have that is important they will give it up if you promise if you assure them a level of security and
00:40:04.060we're not talking of in this life so so they've taken it a step way past thomas hobbs right they've
00:40:09.100said yeah it's not i don't i'm not just putting a security grade around your house i got you for
00:40:15.820eternity and it's one of the things that really worries me uh i mean that this gets beyond
00:40:24.620religion and it's politics but but it's the thing that that has worried me for a long time in in
00:40:29.720what i see in in happening in the states and what i worry about happening more and more in canada now
00:40:35.080it's that populism it's that i can um you know i people are willing to give up freedoms rights uh
00:40:44.620and and not and not their own so much as they're willing to give up their neighbors freedoms and
00:40:49.820Right. You know, because you can offer me protection, but protection from what?
00:40:54.400I mean, it's it's like, let me generate. First of all, let me identify what you need to be afraid of.
00:41:00.440And then I will tell you how I'm going to protect you from it.
00:41:03.280And so it's the whole like, let me create the devil and the hellfire and brimstone.
00:41:08.980And then I'll tell you how to go about avoiding it. Right.
00:41:12.300And that gives me a whole lot of power over you because I've not only created the fear, but I've created the salvation from the fear.
00:41:19.820and I control both. Wow. That's a good game. Yeah. Somebody created a very good game. What
00:41:26.440about, and I'm going to come down to back to Twitter in a second. Where do you, I guess,
00:41:31.720where do you stand or where would the church stand? My mom worked at St. Mike's Hospital
00:41:36.460for a long time and they do not perform abortions. Right. Where would the Anglican Church or have1.00
00:41:42.280they ever made, well, I guess they wouldn't, right? Cause you're saying it's not like Rome
00:41:45.900All right. Listen, that's the second time, Alanis. And I'm going to listen to you, hon. I'm going to take a moment. I'm going to reflect on some of the things I've said. I am going to thank Reverend Daniel for coming on and speaking with me. And I hope you come on and speak with me some more.
00:42:06.780I applaud your work on Twitter. Guys, please go follow this gentleman on Twitter. He does an
00:42:13.500amazing job of keeping the right-wing insanity at bay, and he does it with humor and wit that I
00:42:22.600aspire to. So thank you so much, sir. Can you tell them where to find you on Twitter?