00:00:00.000class is in session how you doing and welcome to unlearn 16 classes in session guys this week i'm
00:00:09.780going to handle a i don't know i've kind of avoided this topic for a while because i think
00:00:14.380it's so big and so multi-layered that i didn't a know how to handle it in a tiktok and b i don't
00:00:21.700know if i quite know how to wrap my head around it even when it comes to a podcast but we're going
00:00:26.200to give it a go. Today I'm talking about bullying. A lot of parents have asked me, how do you handle
00:00:32.420bullying? How does your school handle bullying? What are the strategies? What are the rules?
00:00:37.860All of that kind of thing. And for a long time, first of all, I constantly correct people because
00:00:44.460I don't like the term bullying. I like to call it what it is, which is harassment. So there's
00:00:49.680two levels of this conversation I'm going to have. Number one, we have to talk about our society
00:00:55.940because what I promise you is that the teens and the elementary school kids that I teach,
00:01:02.860they don't create society. They tend to mirror it. And by mirror it, I mean it comes from their
00:01:10.320parents. I'm not saying that they aren't a force for change, but I am saying they do mirror a lot
00:01:16.660of the negativity that we then put upon them. And they see it in the real world. So I'm going to
00:01:25.620talk about society and then I'm going to talk about in school. So why don't we talk, you know
00:01:30.400what, why don't we talk about in school first? Why? Because heaven help me, we can control it a little
00:01:36.100better if we put our minds to it at all. All right. So you have a kid that's being harassed
00:01:42.600in your school. Now, now let's take a couple of different forms here. All right. Let's talk about
00:01:49.220the difference between the kind of harassment that is, let's say, I don't want to minimize
00:01:57.180it, but I want to sort of put it in different categories because kids have a banter, like
00:02:01.840it or not. And especially our young boys are taught a banter and our young girls, we're
00:02:07.560starting to see it emulate across the board. We're starting to see this banter and it's
00:02:13.460always been there of a teasing nature, right? And we'll talk about that. Oh, it's just teasing
00:02:18.040you. They're just teasing you. Just get a thicker skin. You're just chirping, right? They have all
00:02:22.520these different titles for it. So I'm going to put that over there for a second. And then I'm
00:02:27.420going to talk about underpinnings of harassment that stem from sexism, racism, homophobia,
00:02:36.940transphobia, these bigger underlying elements of hate and bigotry that might come from home,
00:02:45.840might come from the media. It might come from a lot of different places. And the way that they
00:02:50.500direct and push that out is very, very different. Because when you catch kids in the midst of back
00:02:57.520and forth, quote unquote, teasing, as a teacher, here's the problem. You'll hear it go back and
00:03:05.220forth, right? I'm sure a lot of parents out there will understand exactly what I'm saying.
00:03:10.660you won't have a moment where you're like oh you did it you did it first you're the cause you're
00:03:17.420the foundation no no no they'll go back and forth uh don't put your pencil there oh get your foot
00:03:22.320over there stop jiggling the table i'm not jiggling table i hate your pants look and it can go back
00:03:27.160and forth and back and forth that kind of um let's say poor socialized behavior or lack of
00:03:36.460socialized behavior that can be handled in the classroom. That can be handled in the classroom
00:03:40.640by take a minute, take a breath, calm down. They're also young kids. So they're very quick
00:03:47.420to a higher level of temperament. They don't have a lot of self-control. They don't have a lot of
00:03:52.040impulse control. So it comes out that way. I hilariously enough, even though, please,
00:03:57.900I don't want to teach any more gym. I think a lot of that kind of behavior actually could be muted
00:04:03.540if we allowed them or encouraged them and sometimes forced them into being physical
00:04:10.980every single day. I think they have a lot of energy and sometimes that energy comes out in
00:04:14.760the wrong way. But let me talk about the bigger forms of, and also that kind of harassment,
00:04:21.680that kind of harassment or bullying or teasing, whatever you want to call it,
00:04:26.700tends to come in ebbs and flows and not as fixated or focused. When it's focused,
00:04:33.820when you can see, or when you become aware of an onslaught of that kind of harassment
00:04:39.780and it's focused, well, then you can deal with it on a different level. And the way that I deal
00:04:44.760with it is first and foremost, always dealing with the student who's having the issue, who feels
00:04:50.240attacked, who feels harassed, or is being bullied or whatever the case may be. And I sit down with
00:04:54.960them. And I get that story. And as I get that story, I say, okay, I tell them what I'm going
00:05:00.460to do with that information. Sometimes those kids don't want me to do anything because the first
00:05:04.520conversation I always have with that student, um, you know, is what's the dynamic? How can you,
00:05:14.840and I, you guys are going to take this, like I'm, I'm blaming, but how can you stand up for
00:05:18.980yourself? How can you surround yourself by better people? Because sometimes we tend to want to
00:05:24.680be around people that don't necessarily treat us very well, but there's a whole host of other
00:05:29.420people who treat us well. And I'm curious on why we are drawn to the groups of people we're drawn
00:05:35.600to, and then we take on that kind of attack. So we have that kind of conversation. We have the
00:05:41.220kind of conversation that goes from, if they're your friends, because a lot of times this comes
00:05:44.800from your friends, have a conversation with one person at one time. Let's say it continues.
00:05:51.760if it continues I then talk to the student or students who are perpetrating this I say I sit
00:06:01.260them down I ask what's going on why are you doing it I ask them I talk about instances and I talk
00:06:07.440about how damaging and and problematic they can be and if I'm really dealing with a kid who seems
00:06:13.840to spew vitriol everywhere they go or really is the catalyst in a lot of different situations
00:06:19.140What I tend to try to talk to that student about is what's going on in their house. In fact, I might lead with that. And again, I am not justifying. I am not, you know, alleviating responsibility for any of their actions. But with kids, if we can't figure out the why and we just deal with the what, you're going to deal with the what every day until the day they graduate to the day they get suspended or expelled. That's my belief.
00:06:46.420right now if we're dealing with something bigger and i'm about to do a tick talk about this if we're
00:06:52.040dealing with something bigger let's talk about what i see i think more commonly than anything
00:06:58.820else because kids aren't stupid they know they're going to get in trouble for so what do kids try
00:07:03.260to do if they don't like somebody and heaven help us we can't make them like everybody it's not
00:07:09.580kindergarten not everybody's getting an invitation to the birthday party if they don't like somebody
00:07:14.540you can see sort of a collaborative effort to exclude.
00:07:21.900And that kind of exclusion and that kind of the bubble,
00:07:27.760the creation of this bubble around the person they don't want to be around
00:07:31.040for whatever their reason, valid or not, because sometimes, by the way,
00:07:35.340we all have to take accountability of the different things we bring to the table.
00:07:39.040um but that exclusion is incredibly painful destructive and i've seen more so than yelling
00:07:53.020about or teasing somebody about their clothes or their hair or their boyfriend or their whatever
00:07:57.360is the exclusion and the segregation the isolation that is horrifically damaging
00:08:04.760um number one you try to figure out well what what friend group does everybody have because
00:08:12.820usually some everybody has a place right you have a place where and i where you feel like you get
00:08:19.480each other and as adults it's the same thing just wait till i get to adults by the way it's all our
00:08:24.640fault it's not there it's not it's us it's we're the problem it's us um and then you start to so
00:08:32.620start to see that and you start to recognize the serious conversations you need to have as a school
00:08:40.380and to develop a school culture are questions of empathy or questions of mindfulness or questions
00:08:50.860of mental health and stability and outlets and therapy and good intention those are the
00:08:59.900conversations you need to start to have and i'm going to lead into the other one that i'm going
00:09:05.980to talk about in a second because when i start dealing with and and although at my school it's
00:09:12.700a bit different again i have the lovely ability of working in a very small school so you can see
00:09:19.340it a little clearer coming anyways um the the waves of racism homophobia transphobia sexism
00:09:32.540right any of any of that kind of bigotry that gets laced in and usually gets laced in when
00:09:39.020they're kids as well as adults with jokes they lead with jokes you guys know this i know this
00:09:47.180it's the number one defense of any student i was just joking and guess what it's the number one
00:09:54.220defense of people in politics of of comedians of a lot of different people i was just joking
00:10:03.340it was all jokes can't you can't you take a joke are you that serious right so you and then all of0.98
00:10:08.860a sudden you feel like an idiot as the kid that feels harassed or bullied or is being harassed0.99
00:10:14.460and as the adult how do i handle that0.99
00:10:19.100no jokes no more jokes no you can't really do that
00:10:23.580because it just doesn't fly and as an adult
00:10:27.180guess what i can't be there all the time because this is what's super clear
00:10:32.620kids will do whatever they're going to do
00:10:37.180as will adults when an authority figure is not there when we're not in the room whether it's
00:10:46.220at lunch whether it's at recess walking home at home on social media so we can be the hall
00:10:54.060monitors that try that try to be in every space with every student or we can create a different
00:11:00.220culture, if I heard racist language and, you know, or anti-Semitic tropes or sexist language or,
00:11:11.800you know, all of these things, homophobic, transphobic, then I need to recognize that even
00:11:17.580if it's a student, it's never just a student. Why? Because that student is saying whatever
00:11:26.580they're saying or acting however they're acting in front of others number one either to purposely
00:11:33.060purposely diminish one person or a group of people and they're heard and their actions
00:11:41.460are bolstered supported or and this is where i would love for us to get condemned by their peers
00:11:50.980so here's what i would do and here's what i've done
00:11:54.020let's start using because a lot of the times too you don't know so a student comes to you and says
00:12:03.460so-and-so said this and the person comes in and they said i didn't hear where here we are here we
00:12:08.240are right they said this no i didn't and we sit in the in-between right and if you can't prove
00:12:17.320something with a student there's no what are you going to do it's very i don't want to say it's
00:12:23.420a court of law but in essence it is so and so said something no i didn't they heard me wrong
00:12:29.020they took it wrong i was talking to somebody else the the list of stuff and then you have
00:12:33.420students backing them up right here's the problem or here's the i don't know if it's a solution but
00:12:40.620here's the possible solution you look at those kids and say something's broken i'm not going to
00:12:48.540sit here and say and and prove i'm not going to bug each classroom and have cameras mounted to
00:12:58.300read lips and something's broken at my school if this is happening in my space and so i need to fix
00:13:08.860the culture of my space the culture is broken how do i handle that well you start taking days
00:13:18.380of your school of your semester in order to educate them on mass not to blame not to point
00:13:26.300fingers not to just let one kid if they did or if they didn't shoulder all that responsibility
00:13:33.260because right there in that moment it's not just them and if it's not just them i have a bigger
00:13:41.100awareness and focus to then deal with the school at large and you can only do that
00:13:46.220with dealing with the school at large so a metro will develop days that are focused on different
00:13:53.580kinds of education if something really pops off and and you know we we get into the heart of some
00:14:00.300of these sort of bigoted kind of mentalities where it's funneling through our school then we
00:14:06.140go class to class to class to class take all the time we need because you know what we'll get to
00:14:12.800the math, we'll get to the history, we'll get to the drama, but we're not going to get to any of
00:14:17.720that in a thoughtful, credible, intelligent way until you understand how to be a good person
00:14:23.700and what that looks like. And even if it's one student that said it, 10 students listened.
00:14:30.940So to talk about what it is to be a bystander or what it is to be an upstander or whatever the hell
00:14:37.400that where it is, what it is to stand up for the things that you think are important, no matter
00:14:43.740who's in that room. Because if one kid made the joke and 10 kids laughed, I blame all 11.
00:14:50.500I blame all 11 equally, period. And I think you need to then start tackling the issue.
00:15:01.100You need to then, and you're not just going to do that once. You're going to do it again and again
00:15:07.120and again and again, no matter how many times it comes up. Now, if there's an instance where it's
00:15:11.780clear cut and it's clear cut that somebody said something or did something, you do. You deal with
00:15:17.420that student directly. Of course you do. Of course you do. But it doesn't mean the culture's not
00:15:22.760broken. It doesn't mean you don't have a bigger job to do. And dealing with that student would
00:15:27.660look like figuring out why they said what they said, bringing in their parents, talking to their
00:15:32.580parents about what's okay and what's not okay. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you, get real quick
00:15:38.880to the bottom of something. When you bring in parents and you start talking about it on a bigger
00:15:45.280level, you'll get there real quick. And at that point you get to decide and the parents get to
00:15:52.380decide and recognize I also work in private school. Is this, you know, whatever ideal of bigotry or
00:16:00.560hatred or whatever they're perpetrating, is this something, you know, you're going to back as
00:16:06.720parents? Because if it's something you're going to back as parents, then this isn't the school for
00:16:10.540you. Now I've worked at a school for 20 years and I can not even on one hand, how many times kids
00:16:19.100have had to leave that school? Not on, not even on one hand. I'm not saying kids haven't chosen
00:16:23.460to leave. But on one hand, how many times we have chosen that. And it's because the
00:16:31.560vitriol or the animosity or the anger or whatever that's come out of the student's mouth is echoed,
00:16:38.800is supported, is magnified, personified in their parents' reaction in the way that they stand up
00:16:45.660beside that. So you have to deal with it across the board. But you set a culture. And you set a
00:16:52.220culture in your school about who's responsible. And I say this to my students all the time. You
00:16:57.920all are. You all are. I had this conversation not too long ago. I heard a student in the hall make
00:17:03.060some sort of joke and they were loud and everybody laughed. And I didn't know the kid. It was a new
00:17:08.400kid to my school. And I walked out and I said, unacceptable. I don't want to hear it in my school.
00:17:15.240And I pulled him aside and I had a conversation with him. More importantly, I pulled a student
00:17:20.180aside who I taught for two years. And I said, what are you doing? And he's like, what? I didn't
00:17:25.140say it, Joanna. I didn't laugh. I didn't. I said, did you tell him to stop? Did you put him in his
00:17:30.960place? Did you quietly look at him? And again, some kids say things and do things to get attention
00:17:37.680and be funny and be all of those things. There's all sorts of motivating factors, right? Sometimes,
00:17:43.380a lot of the times, actually, I don't even think it's hate or bigotry. I said, did you tell him
00:17:47.840to cut it out did you pull him aside and say not at my school and he's like no I'm like well then
00:17:55.200you didn't do your job because that's your job and that's not just your job when you're a metro
00:17:59.960prep that's your job when you're walking this planet and here's where we get to the bigger
00:18:04.660problem guys heaven help us and we love to talk about kids and we love to talk about their problems
00:18:10.860and who they are and what they're doing and how they're doing it but guess where they're learning
00:18:14.620it, folks. Spend a little bit of time on Twitter, and you wonder why they talk to each other like
00:18:21.760that, or why they think they can talk to each other like that. You look at our politicians,
00:18:26.260the way they talk about big, significant issues, and people, and human need, and compassion,
00:18:35.480or lack thereof, and you wonder why kids think it's okay to exclude. It's okay to marginalize.
00:18:43.960It's okay for somebody to make somebody feel like garbage for who they are because they don't quite fit the mold.
00:19:10.640We've shown them that in a in whatever sort of tick tock banter or Instagram post or Twitter or the way families are, you know, sit down at Thanksgiving dinner and uncle and aunt so and so have a lot to say, but nobody puts them in their place.
00:19:28.120Why? Well, they're the we're not going to rock the ball.
00:19:30.100well if we sit down at family dinner and somebody says something hateful bigoted
00:19:41.380and we don't believe that and we don't correct them because we don't want to rock the boat
00:19:46.460I promise your kids are leaving that dinner learning understanding you you just leave it
00:19:53.900alone it's not your business now I am not telling everybody it sounds like I'm telling everybody how
00:20:00.000run their lives and i do you know let's be honest like to do that a lot but what i'm saying to you
00:20:06.000is this you run your life how you want to run your life but don't be shocked when the little people
00:20:13.360in your world start to parrot and emulate who you are that includes me that includes me um i don't
00:20:25.360know how much high school students emulate their teachers but that includes me so when i teach
00:20:31.760let's say and i am sarcastic i'm not gonna make any bones about that of course i'm a sarcastic
00:20:39.760individual and that hurts some kids and over the years and my initial response was get grow a thick
00:20:47.520skin i'm generation x please do you have any idea and then i started to learn that when a student
00:20:56.000doesn't understand the sarcasm it they're not trying to be um unmanageable they're not trying0.85
00:21:02.960to be you know problematic they're not trying to be just a big pain in the butt they don't get it1.00
00:21:10.240it hurts as though you looked at them and told them to their face that they are a garbage person0.99
00:21:17.520Why would I want to keep doing that for the sake of my own kind of humor? I'm still sarcastic. And I, of course, I'm still to some level sarcastic in the classroom. I just try to be very, very careful.0.99
00:21:31.380And if a student, if I ever noticed, or if a student ever says, or if I somehow in my head think, oh, maybe I didn't think that was a good, then I shut it down.
00:21:59.200And in pushing them to do better, somehow, sometimes a kid can take me saying, you have to work harder. You have to get your worth more of a mark. You need to push, push, push to them feeling as though I think less of them feeling as though I, I don't think they're good enough.
00:22:16.480And in those cases, when I find that out, sometimes I don't.
00:22:20.540But if I find that out, I have a talk with a student.
00:22:43.000And all of this comes on the heels, and I can't help it, comes on the heels of some of the most prominent bullies in our media system today who will say things like, your pronouns aren't my problem.
00:23:12.020don't compel my speech don't compel your speech funny that you take it that way so what you're
00:23:19.720saying is the idea of being respectful the idea of being of acknowledging individuality which by
00:23:26.820the way peterson loves peterson hates identity politics until it's men versus women then he's
00:23:31.780like that's the only identity that exists heaven forbid you try to try trans you know what's the0.59
00:23:36.920not transcend that but i'm not going to respect that so i don't care how you feel okay oh okay
00:23:47.100something so minimal right now do i think that i'm that hurting feelings never happens of course
00:23:54.840i don't of course it does all the time it's not my point my point isn't what we do incidentally
00:24:01.000accidentally my point isn't what we do as a byproduct of of a conversation or of an action
00:24:10.060my point is what we do what we are made aware of that we are doing that is harming that is hurting
00:24:17.580and what we don't try to adjust nobody's perfect nobody's asking for perfection but we have
00:24:25.760seemingly role models in academia on social media that believe that whatever their truth is whatever0.95
00:24:36.840their ideals are take precedent over everybody else and it's just ridiculous absolutely ridiculous
00:24:46.240How on earth can we ever hope that kids, that adults, that we start to operate in less of a self-driven, the world revolves around me kind of way?
00:25:08.060And isn't that what we're condemning kids about?
00:25:10.500Isn't that what we're talking to kids about?