Unlearn16: Class is in Session - The One Where ＂I Saved The World A Lot'

00:00:00.000 class is in session hey guys welcome to unlearn 16 classes in session this is stew he's back if

00:00:08.160 you saw part one just a week ago please go back see part one because we had a great discussion

00:00:13.140 but today we're going to talk all things buffy because we realized as we sat down that's our

00:00:19.400 passion yes i was a huge buffy fan i still am um i had all of the books i had everything i read i

00:00:28.900 read the the novels remember the novels remember when they came out let me i remember the comic

00:00:36.380 okay so there was comics but before that when the show was still on they released these like

00:00:41.860 from the writers david fury and um marty noxon would write these little novels like asides to

00:00:48.420 the show that were like other storylines you need to buy it child of chaos was my favorite i'm gonna

00:00:53.420 go buy them all i never knew yeah they're young adult novels having the characters in them and it

00:00:59.820 kind of expands the world a little bit but i also had the watchers guides remember the watchers

00:01:04.060 guys where you'd buy them and they were like secrets on the show my pair i had posters

00:01:08.940 everywhere and these books i could quote all of the tv all of the episodes like to down to the

00:01:16.380 point where i knew the episode names and people would like quote the show to me and i'd be like

00:01:20.700 you said it wrong okay i'm gonna need to know i'm gonna need to know we're gonna we have a lot to

00:01:25.180 talk about just so everybody knows we're gonna talk about the show we're gonna talk about some

00:01:28.540 characters we're gonna talk about the best episodes i'm gonna talk about all my comic cons

00:01:31.980 where i've met pretty much all of them and we're gonna go through the whole thing but before we

00:01:36.060 start i need to know your favorite quote okay my favorite quote is death is your gift

00:01:43.420 I've done that tick tock.

00:01:49.660 My other favorite quote is the hardest thing to do in this world is to live in it.

00:01:53.820 Oh, you're such a sentimental.

00:01:56.220 I am. I also love like there's one last quote between Willow and Buffy when they're arguing

00:02:01.740 at the end of an episode of Bad Seed. Remember she says like, quitter, bad seed, which

00:02:10.780 that interaction at dead man's party is one of my favorite uh interactions because it's just like

00:02:18.000 i don't think it was scripted and i think it was just like ad living but i just love yeah um i'm

00:02:25.240 gonna go with my favorite is pieces we get the pieces our job sucks and and that can be applied

00:02:31.500 to so many people's lives that i just feel like it's like we're gonna need a bigger boat of jaws

00:02:36.820 i feel like it's just you know i mean slayers every one of us i mean that has you know um

00:02:43.320 don't taunt the fear demon is a big one of mine

00:02:45.920 it's important you're gonna hurt me no it's just in bad taste whatever it's or when he calls the

00:02:54.800 computer he's like that dread machine i love it i love it i love so you have a favorite episode

00:03:00.660 so they're just for everybody's listening if you haven't seen buffy for the love of all that's holy

00:03:04.460 seven seasons of pure joy awaits you somewhere go find it favorite episode oh i have two i'm not

00:03:11.020 gonna be able to choose just one two i have two so i love halloween season two halloween and i love

00:03:17.900 witch in season one oh really i love anybody pick anything from season one really no i love it you

00:03:27.180 know why because it's the first um time they expanded the universe to fit the supernatural

00:03:32.940 of like witches and stuff like that and it was so interesting because it was told through a story of

00:03:37.100 like the rival like the rivalry between a mother and daughter of the mother wanting to remain young

00:03:42.940 and it was so interesting cinderella snow white story that's ever written yeah yeah and it's just

00:03:49.340 like i love amy i loved amy amy was like a character that i wish they had kept on a lot more

00:03:55.340 probably more than that single episode i like it when when oz passes the statue like after i don't

00:04:01.820 don't know how many seasons later and he's like it's like her eyes just keep yes i love that and

00:04:09.080 i also i also love hush hush is also a big favorite of mine oh hush is amazing yeah hush

00:04:14.260 is absolutely amazing i would probably i mean everybody says the body everybody says that but

00:04:19.780 i don't i i love it i love um fear itself we we were just talking about yes yeah i love that

00:04:27.280 because I, again, I, I draw on episodes, I think sort of have a bigger, sort of a bigger

00:04:33.000 arc where I'm like, well, cool. Cause I'll take episodes. I have created generations of Buffy

00:04:39.200 fans through four. People worry about me indoctrinating people to be, you know,

00:04:43.300 all those Floridians are like, why is making people gay? Guys? No, I'm not. I'll tell you

00:04:47.140 what I am indoctrinating though. All of my students will watch Buffy. Yes. And if they

00:04:52.260 don't want to, I'll make them do an assignment to watch it. So you want to be, you want to be

00:04:56.180 fearful of something go ahead and be fearful of that way more important than being gay they should 0.69

00:05:01.120 write you a check to make sure like every time i meet somebody i say just so you know i make my

00:05:06.700 class watch episodes of buffy all the time your royalties are because of me uh it's so funny

00:05:14.200 because when i try to get people now to watch it who never watched it as a kid they're like joe it's

00:05:19.420 not going to hold up i'm like yes it is number one it will the special effects actually still hold

00:05:24.360 up yeah but number two i tell them look you're gonna have to watch all 16 episodes of season one

00:05:31.480 it's gonna be dark yeah they're gonna be one-offs and you're just gonna have to get through it but

00:05:36.360 if you get through season two and you're not fully committed to seeing what happened then you're right

00:05:41.400 it's not for you and we have to stop being friends like we're gonna like thank you so much for your

00:05:46.040 time and investment into the relationship but i'm saying no the worst part is one of the worst parts

00:05:51.400 do anna hates it anna's watched all seven seasons it's so hard i just feel like there's some childhood

00:06:00.440 trauma we need to work on her maybe in some sort of therapy so she can open up her heart

00:06:05.480 and maybe that's you know that's my job i don't know i listen if she had just said she didn't

00:06:11.860 like season seven i'd be like you know what i get it i love season seven i will say this i i remember

00:06:17.540 a very long time ago, I taught grade six and they knew I loved Buffy. So at lunch and after school,

00:06:24.680 they'd come in on the weekends, we did marathons and they'd watch Buffy with me. And we'd get to

00:06:29.360 the end of the year and we were maybe season three, let's say. We get to the end of the year

00:06:35.480 and all the parents were like, Joanna, I have to go out and buy Buffy now. It was like pre anything

00:06:39.820 else. And I said, that's amazing. And then I had a wave of panic because I'm like, they're in grade

00:06:45.820 six and when they get to season six if their parents hadn't already seen it i have some

00:06:52.460 explaining to do right just so you guys know and so i had to make that call to all of the parents

00:06:58.300 and say listen season six gets a little dodgy there's some sex scenes i don't know how you

00:07:03.980 feel about that i mean i'm just telling you in advance yeah which i think is also funny because

00:07:09.020 of all the killing i'm i'm most worried about what buffy and spike having sex in that house 0.94

00:07:13.180 um oh well that was because it was you know we all should be so lucky to have amazing sex that 0.99

00:07:20.700 we bring down a house like we should that should be like just violently destroy a house like thank

00:07:26.380 you so much that i would become celibate after that i'd be like you know what i had it i can't

00:07:31.700 and that's that's the chapter close in that i'm joining a monastery

00:07:36.500 so have you ever met any of the Buffy people no I haven't but I haven't met anybody but Sarah

00:07:47.440 Michelle Gellar once tweeted me back and that was the beginning and end of my Twitter career I was

00:07:53.720 like well I've made it and now I can't get any higher than this no you can't it was because I

00:07:58.060 tweeted at her a picture of that outfit she wore um the overalls in black shirt that she wore at

00:08:04.140 at the end of season two,

00:08:05.480 as she was getting on the bus to leave.

00:08:07.980 And I said, this was my entire aesthetic

00:08:11.140 for this year of my life. 1.00

00:08:12.300 She was very gay in that moment. 0.99

00:08:14.200 Very gay. 1.00

00:08:15.040 I had that whole outfit.

00:08:16.260 I wore it more than I'm comfortable telling you.

00:08:20.360 And I was like, this is my aesthetic.

00:08:21.700 And she was like, it was certainly a vibe.

00:08:24.420 And I was like-

00:08:26.060 That's it.

00:08:27.060 And I'm done.

00:08:28.380 Delete Twitter.

00:08:29.460 I'm leaving the room.

00:08:32.500 I'm leaving on a high.

00:08:34.120 I told everyone, people that didn't know who she was,

00:08:38.340 people who didn't know who I was.

00:08:40.040 I think I told a person at Dominion, the grocery store.

00:08:44.460 I was like, Sarah Michelle Gellar tweeted me back.

00:08:46.780 Look, she said it was a vibe.

00:08:48.900 And they're like, do you want to pay debit or cash?

00:08:53.880 I'm like, I don't give it.

00:08:55.140 I don't even want these things anymore.

00:08:56.440 I don't need them.

00:08:57.300 I'm a higher being.

00:08:58.820 I don't need to live on food.

00:09:00.580 Exactly.

00:09:01.140 I'm living on this.

00:09:02.080 so just so everybody knows like i mean i i know that people are who are still listening to us

00:09:07.300 already love buffy buffy had a rough go of it like and i didn't watch buffy right away so when

00:09:12.280 it aired i thought buffy the vampire slayer first of all the movie had ruined it oh josh

00:09:18.420 had sold the movie and and instead of directing it he sold the movie and it was just the worst

00:09:24.220 thing i've ever seen rest in peace dylan mckay i love you to death but that was a poor choice

00:09:29.000 Christy Swanson whatever they they cast Pee Wee Herman like there were so many wrong things

00:09:34.580 but it really did and he said he was never going to do the tv show because he couldn't come

00:09:40.360 out from under that cloud right Joss Whedon he did thank god he did but well he has his own 0.82

00:09:46.820 problems look we're going to talk about Buffy without talking about the crap that is Joss

00:09:51.800 Whedon because I I just want to talk about the power of the show and hopefully he never he never

00:09:58.440 gets another job again that's what i hope um i will say though to your point when i first started

00:10:04.320 watching it i was in grade seven i want to say and i thought it was fear street i thought it was

00:10:11.840 the chilleter series were the fear street books that are all stein i thought okay well you know

00:10:16.680 what i'm dating myself here i told you i am 10 i don't even know how much more i'm your senior

00:10:23.180 right i would have been in university for crying out loud true true so i i bought my parents uh we

00:10:29.680 went to the cottage every year and my parents bought me this trilogy called the cheerleader

00:10:34.380 series and the first episode i ever watched was which about the cheerleaders and i turned with

00:10:39.820 all the confidence of my 13 year old self to my sister who was eight and i was like this is fear

00:10:45.880 street this is they've made a tv show about it and you're much too young for this and then made

00:10:51.480 her leave the room only to realize that it was not the books that i read it was buffy the vampire

00:10:56.140 slayer it was buffy the vampire slayer and thank god i don't know so i think i want to know when

00:11:02.860 i started watching i think maybe at least two seasons in and my uncle finally said joanna you

00:11:09.640 have to watch it trust me it's good i'm like buffy buffy is good really and and i bought it on vhs

00:11:17.120 because i'm that old um i bought the first season and then i started watching it and i was hooked

00:11:22.720 and the funny part was it got bounced from network to network to network to network and every time it

00:11:29.200 got bounced and people thought it was going to be shut off you'd have this wave of cult-like

00:11:34.560 status support yeah that would bring it to a new network right well because it went to the wb

00:11:41.600 and then it was like the wb was uh turning into the c the cw uh the cw upn and then upn turned

00:11:50.700 into well it was on fox at some point it was on fox for some point and then it was like

00:11:57.680 it never made it to the cw because that i think it died on upn it like it got canceled on upn but

00:12:04.300 i just remember them like they remember the fifth season they like buffy died and they were like

00:12:09.080 good resolution joss whedon was like so persnickety about it he was like that's it like over and then

00:12:16.200 season six it came back and thankfully it was i think it was the best season yeah um but i mean

00:12:23.140 season seven i think what happened and this is like my own personal feeling take it for what it

00:12:27.440 is is i think that after season six ended it was such a heavy season that they kind of like

00:12:33.020 this pendulum had swung so far to one side that in season seven it was a culture shock to come back

00:12:38.900 and the pendulum be so far over

00:12:40.700 and Buffy be a guidance counselor.

00:12:42.300 And I was like, girl, how?

00:12:43.940 Girl, how are you a guidance counselor?

00:12:45.660 What are you bringing to these children? 1.00

00:12:47.520 You worked through a lot of her demons.

00:12:49.800 Didn't you see her in the fight

00:12:50.780 in whatever with Dawn?

00:12:52.580 That was all metaphoric.

00:12:54.440 Exactly.

00:12:55.040 That was her degree.

00:12:57.500 That was metaphoric.

00:12:59.460 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:01.860 The thing about,

00:13:02.960 well, you needed a season seven

00:13:04.120 after season six.

00:13:05.160 Come on now.

00:13:05.620 But season five,

00:13:06.640 the whole jumping off that thing uh well let's let's talk about the real because you were

00:13:13.740 around you would have been around in a time where you watched dawn come on to the show and then you

00:13:20.180 had to wait weeks yeah remember that moment i do i do because nobody gets that anymore because we

00:13:27.600 watch everything in in chunks right but i i even think it was that may sweeps like it was somewhere

00:13:32.940 where it wasn't the next week we had to wait an exceptionally long period of time

00:13:37.580 and dawn comes on the show and all you hear at the end is buffy take your sister and you're

00:13:43.340 the whole world simultaneously with sister yeah yeah also were you were you at that first of all

00:13:54.460 no one understands the struggle of having to wait weeks but also like or like even a week like

00:14:02.140 something would happen and you'd be like well i guess i'm going to wait another week for it

00:14:06.860 and like if you were grounded um well you had to wait longer like guys if you didn't catch it on 0.98

00:14:13.580 tuesday at eight or whatever time i can't remember it was on you're screwed because you're screwed 0.81

00:14:18.140 unless you set your vcr yeah you're not you're gonna have to wait to the end of the season to 0.95

00:14:23.260 buy it oh exactly like you and everyone's talking about it it was like the the water cooler show

00:14:28.860 um for like for everybody but anyway but like what were you what were your thoughts on dawn

00:14:32.860 i have to know i hated it i hated it too you know why i hated it everything

00:14:44.780 the whole time yeah like she came on i was like oh and the weird part was is because like they gave

00:14:51.980 her so much screen time and it was like they like they they dedicated an entire episode to her the

00:14:57.820 next episode was her episode of like everything going in her head and i just remember thinking

00:15:02.380 like oh i don't care i don't know who this character is i was so angry i was so we took

00:15:07.660 them a while not only did we have it the way that the story went it took them not only was it off

00:15:13.500 the like we didn't come back week after and have another episode but they didn't even explain it

00:15:18.140 like no you i think you had to wait two or three episodes for them to even address the fact that

00:15:23.020 all of a sudden five seasons she had a sister yeah here's why i think it happened though i think it's

00:15:28.940 very archetypal i think they knew joyce was going to die they knew the mom was going to die because

00:15:34.220 the mom has to die because every kid's parent has to die before they can become a full person or

00:15:39.020 hero whatever the hell and screw you disney for doing that to all of us um but i think she still 0.98

00:15:47.820 needed a familial tie she still needed family to make her human something bigger than herself 0.98

00:15:55.980 otherwise i think the idea of that even though her friends would have been there the idea of that

00:16:01.900 power and that responsibility i think as a character just deadened you whereas you start

00:16:07.660 to see her kind of as a mother even though you know it's your sister but i think that was done

00:16:13.740 um intentionally for that reason um i don't i i know a couple people that loved on i met don

00:16:21.020 those people are wrong people in your life should be i met on it was it was kind of interesting i

00:16:27.740 mean although one has been through i don't want a bad method she's been she's had all these back

00:16:35.100 surgeries and stuff i don't think she should have been at comic-con that's what i'm gonna say i'm

00:16:39.260 gonna guess that she was still in a lot of pain she was probably i'm also guessing on some meds

00:16:45.260 um because when i go to comic-con and we can talk about that have you ever been to comic-con

00:16:49.980 i've never been i'm feeling invited but i don't like large crowds of people

00:16:53.340 they make me nervous listen dial it up we're gonna go in august we'll go so whatever you gotta do to

00:17:00.140 prepare just i'm gonna do tick tock dedicated just to that so somebody from that comic-con

00:17:07.420 says sure joanna come back and meet the people behind so i'm gonna have all tick tocks dedicated

00:17:12.620 comic-con from june on um but i will i will choose this annex until then i love it so much

00:17:20.060 but here's the thing about comic-con and i feel bad for the actors and actresses because here's

00:17:24.220 the reality as an actor and actress this is why i think they they suffer a lot unless you become

00:17:30.940 like meryl streep right right when you become famous for buffy guys that's your that's your

00:17:38.700 card right i mean other characters look willow went on and did many other things it's not that

00:17:44.780 she didn't but like when you become famous for buffy and you go to comic-con and you have 300

00:17:51.580 people lined up to spend a hundred dollars just to talk to you for five seconds right guys you're

00:17:56.780 gonna have to you have to play to your crowd just a little bit you know what i mean yes just a little

00:18:03.020 bit because that's why they're there they're not really there for david boreanaz even though he

00:18:07.420 never shows up p.s he doesn't talk about buffy i'll never talk to david boreanaz and i'll say that

00:18:11.900 right now just like this somebody plucked him off the street gave him a career yes

00:18:20.860 they did they said look at how pretty he is he got a job yeah and he says buffy i'm not talking

00:18:27.180 about it anymore i have other projects listen bones you can't possibly compare navy seals or

00:18:34.260 whatever the hell that is to buffy the vampire slayer stop no that's what everyone knows you

00:18:38.600 from if they want to talk to a buffy you should talk about buffy you won't talk to buffy to any 0.85

00:18:44.400 fans ever no i think that's i honestly i really hate that like if you are if someone is coming

00:18:51.360 up to you and i'm not an actor um but if someone comes up to you and says hey you really i love

00:18:57.840 this character this character that you played spoke to me this character was impactful influential

00:19:02.880 to me i feel like you owe that person the ability to be like thank you it was a great experience

00:19:09.360 i'm like even if you hate every moment of it you can still be like you know what i don't want to

00:19:13.440 take away from what you felt thank you for giving me the opportunity to have more career roles

00:19:19.680 exactly yeah that's all i'm saying um but like i don't want this to come across like i just like

00:19:26.160 like michelle trachtenberg i just like just like the character of dawn i think dawn was a terribly

00:19:31.520 feminine character michelle and i didn't have the nicest of it i'll tell you another interaction

00:19:36.480 right at the very beginning of comic-con right at the very beginning when i started to go because i

00:19:41.280 heaven help me i wish i went younger because um i didn't really know about them because they

00:19:46.720 were kind of new but like i didn't know about them and i sure as hell wasn't willing to travel for

00:19:50.960 them but like everybody used to go right like sarah michelle geller and they used to go back

00:19:56.640 in the day when buffy was on to comic cons i just wasn't aware of it right um i'll tell you you like

00:20:02.000 charisma not charisma carpenter you like jenny calendar right oh i love her um wait you hear

00:20:07.520 the story is it robbie lamore that's her name i don't remember she was my first comic-con person

00:20:13.520 and it was by accident i didn't know she was going to be there my uncle wanted to go for some star

00:20:17.360 trek thing and i went with him and i'm like oh it's jenny calendar and so i went up to get an

00:20:22.160 autograph and what does her autograph say i can't remember right now but i always get them to do a

00:20:27.280 quote or whatever but here's the funny part about any calendar i said you're amazing fantastic i

00:20:32.720 I love Buffy. Your death scene was bang on. Sorry about that. 0.63

00:20:36.800 But it was a great death scene. And she talked to me a little bit.

00:20:40.520 And then she said, well, right now I have these CDs where I sing gospel albums and songs for my whatever kind of church.

00:20:52.440 And I went, what? Are you at Comic-Con signing Buffy things thinking this is your aunt?

00:21:00.060 honey what are we doing here love and i'm like no thank you i don't want any what i wanted to say

00:21:08.440 probably today i would be like are you religious because of buffy now you think you need that in 0.70

00:21:12.840 your life is it a just in case thing yeah just in cases it was weird it was weird i will say 0.50

00:21:21.040 like as a fledgling uh gay her outfit in the episode when she died it was all about it like 0.78

00:21:28.420 give me a see-through gossamer top like and like please snap the neck oh my god um no i love 0.85

00:21:42.180 listen bad angel beats nice angel seven days and jealousy brilliant brilliant another sad story i

00:21:52.180 walk into silver snail have you ever been to silver snail in toronto back in the day yes

00:21:56.340 it's a comic book store on queen it's not there anymore i walk in and guess who's there signing

00:22:01.340 comics um but drew drusilla drusilla oh i love her here here's the problem wait wait for it

00:22:10.340 so i'm like oh my god i'm gonna go get something signed so i go buy something of buffy so she can

00:22:15.460 sign it whatever yeah and i'm waiting in line i'm so hard on people i really am listen no what's

00:22:23.120 What's her name? Juliette.

00:22:24.300 Juliette Landau.

00:22:25.960 Juliette Landau, if you're listening to me, I apologize.

00:22:28.940 It's just my own head about what I thought

00:22:31.600 she was supposed to be.

00:22:32.880 And I apologize because you're an actress. 0.93

00:22:35.180 You're not there to fulfill my Drusilla fantasies.

00:22:37.780 Right.

00:22:39.200 But, oh honey, she was wearing like a pencil skirt

00:22:44.960 and like a sweater set.

00:22:49.080 I think it was mauve.

00:22:51.540 No.

00:22:52.320 kind of looking down the line i'm like oh that's not that's not drusilla and then the word so i get

00:22:59.120 up there and she's very sweet very lovely whatever but i'm stupid at this point i don't realize

00:23:05.600 first of all at this point she's on angel and i don't realize she's written a bunch of angel

00:23:10.800 like she was actually a writer and producer on that show but i had no idea all i cared about

00:23:16.560 was buffy and i i liked angel but nowhere close to the same that i like buffy and she's you know

00:23:21.920 she's asked me at some point what's your favorite episode do you like angel or buffy better and i

00:23:26.000 was like i went off about buffy right and then i left and i finally realized my uncle's like you

00:23:31.360 do know that she writes a bunch of those episodes i'm like ah god damn it you just go back like hi 0.79

00:23:41.040 whoops listen with the sweater set you know if i was i'm sorry julia she should have sat there 0.57

00:23:48.560 been in her sweater set every once in a while looked up at the ceiling and said

00:23:52.560 look at all the stars are fighting with one another just one exactly something just throw

00:23:58.560 us a bone please no i also was i was really kind of horrified um when i saw her interviewed

00:24:06.240 uh that she was not british not that her british accent was like um exceptional but like when you

00:24:12.560 when you're like imprinted upon the fact that they are this person that you're like i just

00:24:16.560 imagine she walks through life spike like i just imagine like she talks very slowly

00:24:22.640 methodically almost um be in my eyes

00:24:29.280 be in me

00:24:36.240 clearly oh bianca lawson the girl who does not age okay let's talk about her like talk about i sold

00:24:42.800 my soul for youth eternally she's like playing 17 in 1997 and she's playing 17 in 2015 what what

00:24:51.840 that's your superpower like literally in 2017 2015 they were like sir please get to the 65 and older

00:25:00.640 line like and she's off here playing a 17 year old in pretty little wires i literally had a moment

00:25:06.320 where i was watching being like is that kendra surely it can't be kendra because she played a

00:25:10.880 teenager 10 years ago no this can't be her and then it was like oh it is her she's totally playing

00:25:17.360 a conceivable like 17 year old girl um i got the same vibe when i met spike right so everybody

00:25:27.120 who's ever met spike or knows like spikes also played other characters um when i met

00:25:32.720 James Marston, Marston, Marston, Marsters, when I met him, when I had my first, I've met him a few

00:25:42.740 times and my first conversation and he wasn't British. And I went, I wonder if I wish I sometimes

00:25:48.160 have myself on video. Cause I feel like I met him and I said, you're amazing. I love it. And then he

00:25:53.220 came back with the American accent. I feel like I did this. It feels uncomfy. Nice. You're from

00:26:02.700 where Wyoming it's like actually Massachusetts you're like Wyoming it found it feels Wyoming

00:26:17.660 it does he's a hard he has a weird hard American accent I can't quite figure out where he's from

00:26:24.120 no it's true he's interviewed on that podcast that um uh the guy from uh Michael Rosenbaum

00:26:31.800 from i'm gonna talk about meeting him i love him to death he seems really really cool yeah but i

00:26:39.320 have to i have to know you have to tell me have you met either christine sutherland who played

00:26:44.120 joyce or anthony head okay talk about this um anthony head was lovely let me tell you how i 0.66

00:26:52.200 met anthony head so i this is how insane i am so i've met a lot of buffy people now normally

00:26:58.840 i'm in toronto so i go to toronto comic cons i'll drive to niagara maybe london okay so

00:27:04.360 two two and a half hours away now at some point i got insane and i started driving to like

00:27:09.400 there's a great comic con and like just outside of detroit called nova there's a i've driven to

00:27:14.440 rhode island um there's a great comic con in philadelphia so i've driven to all those places

00:27:19.800 for comic cons because i'm crazy but comfortable crazy two hours is comfortable crazy yeah but

00:27:26.600 portland i mean all those comic cons in like when i'm saying i'm driving to nova that's four and a

00:27:31.960 half hours okay so that's a little bit like eight hours to philadelphia no okay not uncomfortable

00:27:37.560 rhode island no not comfortable i'm insane crazy my last comic-con right before all this

00:27:44.600 crap went down pretty close i look at portland comic-con they had at the same comic-con

00:27:51.480 anthony head they had wesley whatever his real name is allison hannigan tara uh kennedy 0.94

00:28:01.340 okay all at the same comic-con and i'm like i have to go not only do i have to go i'm gonna

00:28:09.940 have to miss a day of work so i had to go into my vice principal and say listen i don't ask for

00:28:17.360 time off really ever I'm never sick I just call in sick but here's the deal and she's like okay

00:28:22.880 Joanna but don't tell anybody we gave you the day off to go to comic-con I said fine so I flew there

00:28:27.620 meet these people Tara I said Amber Benson yeah yeah yeah so I flew there Anthony Head was lovely

00:28:36.380 absolutely lovely everything about him is just and again I'm very gay but oddly sexy for an older

00:28:44.040 British man. When he sings, I swoon. I love, I just, I kind of love him. You just sort of want

00:28:49.380 to hang out. He's very, he loved the fact that I forced my kids to watch Buffy. He thought that

00:28:55.760 was the best thing ever. It was great abuse of power. But here's my favorite thing. So I go up

00:29:00.560 and sitting in front of me, I have Wesley to the right of me. I'm lined up for Willow. To the left

00:29:07.560 of Willow is Amber Benson, is Tara. And then to the left of Tara is Kennedy. So just think about 0.78

00:29:13.420 that picture for a second she's made out with all those people right yeah so i'm waiting to get close

00:29:19.100 to willow and i'm trying in my head because i'm such a huge nerd think about what am i going to

00:29:23.420 say to willow when i meet you know and i'm nervous and i'm sweating and whatever and i get up there

00:29:31.100 and she's she's willow you can tell that allison hannigan is just a great charismatic actress and

00:29:39.420 people person because she knows we're all uncomfortable because we're starstruck and she

00:29:43.500 immediately makes everything easier and she breaks the ice and she talks about you rather than you

00:29:47.560 talk about her she's just awesome like that but at some point i get kind of comfortable and i lean in

00:29:53.760 i go okay i have a question for you so you've kissed all these people i want to know who's best

00:30:01.860 behind me think it's hysteric by the way i'm completely on my own like nobody came with me

00:30:08.260 I'm by myself. There's a gay community behind me that think this is the best question that I've

00:30:12.260 ever asked. And she very loudly says, oh, come on, hon. Obviously it's my husband because she's

00:30:18.060 married to the guy, right? She's married to a woman in real life. My husband isn't, and she

00:30:22.320 makes this big thing and he's laughing beside her. And then doesn't this amazing, lovely woman lean

00:30:28.020 in and go, I'm lying. It was totally Kennedy. She has a tongue ring. And I'm like, see, that's

00:30:36.000 playing to your market right there that's who's standing alive for you why we're standing here

00:30:42.000 you just played and it was it was she was lovely i okay i have a confession to make i could never

00:30:50.080 get over amber benson like uh uh tara dying so like when kennedy came in i was like i don't care 0.96

00:30:56.920 about you don't want you don't need you no one asked for you i mean don't lick little's neck 1.00

00:31:02.820 you hussy whereas all the gay girls are like let's be honest i mean she ain't she ain't ugly 1.00

00:31:12.480 and so and she was super forward and it was like amber and tara because it was their first 0.98

00:31:18.880 relationship are all like hesitant and and whatever and pure romance that's good and i get it

00:31:25.300 but you but kennedy's ballsiness was really a breath of fresh air as well no it's true like

00:31:32.980 now you're watching it i can appreciate it but then i always remember i remember how much i was

00:31:37.540 like how dare she why isn't she an italian widow wearing only black lace listen watching through

00:31:43.780 her life world stew what more do you want out of her i also did you okay did you also hear that 0.55

00:31:49.860 whole thing about uh remember conversations with dead people where the first evil came and taunted

00:31:54.980 uh willow in the library so apparently that was supposed to be tara um initially and she wouldn't

00:32:02.320 come back for it she was like i feel like it's too painful for them and then i found out something

00:32:07.500 more recently where like the end of it was supposed to be like the whatever destiny or

00:32:12.640 whatever came to buffy and gave her um one gift to like uh thank her for saving the world and

00:32:19.580 she gave willow the gift of tara back but that didn't happen because the schedules didn't align

00:32:24.540 and i was like gutted and it didn't even like it was 10 years later i don't think that was real

00:32:31.400 though i bet you all those things were in the works but amber benson hated josh wheaton yes

00:32:36.520 she hated josh wheaton she hated him yeah that's why that happened i don't think she was going to

00:32:41.660 come back amber benson speaking to her is one of the most intelligent people she's a writer she's

00:32:47.260 a great writer right now she has books out she is a incredibly witty intelligent woman that i you

00:32:54.280 know i didn't know anything about her before buffy not really much after but yeah she she really

00:32:59.260 blew me away when i took my picture with um tara and willow as i have pictures with everybody i

00:33:06.380 had a broken yellow crayon in my hand just i come with props stew right no you have to i have to i

00:33:14.140 gave glory a key i gave glory a key i thought that was important i know you and claire you know you

00:33:22.220 think i loved glory i loved it i just listen i don't it has nothing to do with claire kramer

00:33:30.860 i'm sure she's the lovely person i just i mean i think it's like again this is like what we were

00:33:36.440 talking about earlier off like off camera where it's like you are look back on on it where you're

00:33:44.140 watching it again through a different lens and you have like other um other similar characters

00:33:50.260 that you see and you're like why can't they be more like that this is something that i think

00:33:55.340 would fit a little bit better like for example for me i think the character of do you watch

00:34:00.180 vampire diaries at all uh anna made me watch it because i made her watch buffy do you like it are

00:34:05.460 you um do you see similarities there well sure everybody ripped on buffy and that's where my love

00:34:11.440 stops i love damon but i think everybody just loves damon and i love katherine i was obsessed

00:34:17.300 with katherine so like i stop it oh yeah katherine yeah not not what's no elena tries dishwater

00:34:24.560 can't do her no 100 bring on katherine yes katherine's all i wanted but like i think

00:34:30.720 catherine would have like that kind of personality that kind of like level of what i wanted i wanted 0.95

00:34:36.240 for glory that like amusement in the evil that's what i wanted her like reveling in the fact that 0.98

00:34:42.480 she was just this toxic character but i also love the fact that in damper diaries they gave catherine 0.99

00:34:48.080 a little bit more to chew on like she was a little bit more of a whole person and i think i wanted

00:34:52.800 that with glory as well i think glory felt to me sometimes a little bit more of a comic um yeah and

00:35:00.000 i think that's something that later on at the time i was like all about this i was like oh my god

00:35:04.320 she's a god and then after like jaded me watched it again i was like oh okay um i met the master

00:35:14.080 i can't remember his name right oh my god how was he just the best thing you've ever met in

00:35:19.440 your entire life and that man would sit down and dish buffy for hours hours the maestro

00:35:27.680 he's from the maestro from Seinfeld right he is amazing so what's his real name Mark Metcalf

00:35:34.800 he Mark he was amazing absolutely if you're gonna line up for him I'm telling you right now he'll

00:35:40.260 have stories for days and days and days and days and he is funny he is you know I would love to

00:35:47.860 talk to him now after it because I've met most of these people pre the whole Josh Whedon yeah

00:35:53.520 um but i'd love to talk to him now i promise you he'd have stuff to say what is your favorite

00:35:58.640 episode i'm gonna go with um it's so hard to pick and i always want to go to the last episode

00:36:06.800 because i love it so much but um angel turning is probably one of my favorites because again

00:36:16.080 i love the symbolism so i love the love you too i love the girl sleeps the guy the guy turns into

00:36:24.000 an i love stretching that out to be what that was yes um like i like the whole storyline but i like

00:36:31.840 that because nobody who the hell saw that coming nobody saw that coming nobody um i love that

00:36:37.840 i love the judge is probably one that's why i have that tattoo i love the judge what are you

00:36:43.840 going to do with that um i love that and i liked fear itself for yourself that's great do you want

00:36:51.280 to hear a really sad um i'm going to admit this to you and i have never admitted this before

00:36:55.840 do you know the uh angels angel curse yes i haven't memorized

00:37:02.560 as you should yeah i have the whole thing right there oh my god do you have it do you have the

00:37:08.240 orb of thessala please tell me you do

00:37:16.320 anybody who's listening just so we know if you're not watching

00:37:21.040 i'm holding in my hand an authentic shoddy craftsmanship 0.94

00:37:26.400 gypsy shoddy craftsmanship orb of thessala yeah 0.97

00:37:30.480 do i just do the spell for you right now sure i think you should 0.94

00:37:33.440 nissi morta nissi aflante spirits yeah that's yeah i know the whole thing it's so sad

00:37:43.040 did it glow like come on a little bit good okay awesome i wonder whose soul i have in there

00:37:49.680 seriously one of my exes probably it's

00:37:56.080 um i loved i love that part i love the tie to the like i love how drusilla was tied

00:38:02.320 the whole thing like the interweaving of all of the characters and how they come in and out

00:38:07.840 okay i gotta ask so i've met all those people who also have xander i and everybody knows all

00:38:13.840 the problems that nicholas has gone through is one of the i'm telling you right now if i could

00:38:19.440 have wrapped him up taken him home put him in my in my spare room and made sure he never did

00:38:25.760 anything bad again i would have yes because he's just he has a lovely heart yes for whatever reason

00:38:33.820 he he's been shattered but i've met him so many times and all he does he's like he loves to give

00:38:40.020 hugs you know like he's just he's like all he wants to do is he talks about battling depression

00:38:44.920 he talks about addiction he talks about all of it um and he was just lovely when i spoke to faith

00:38:50.500 for the first time i didn't know that faith had a drug problem that she now i didn't know that

00:38:55.680 apparently really bad so when i met her she was in the thick of it so the conversation i had with 0.94

00:39:03.180 her was like you know i was looking at her going is my uncle and i were like is she even looking

00:39:07.180 at us i don't know like he was so out of it you know and um i was talking about the episode the

00:39:14.480 switch you know when her and buffy switch i thought oh that was a great episode one of my favorite

00:39:19.100 episodes and i was talking about that episode and she didn't remember she was like oh yeah sure but

00:39:24.040 it was like i get it it was a long time ago but i think the the drug whatever she had taken it was

00:39:30.400 probably just then good um but she was lovely i met who else did i meet oh i met nathan fillion

00:39:39.360 fillion oh yeah yeah caleb um he mostly wanted to talk about like yeah but i don't care no one

00:39:49.580 cares about that i don't care about firefly i know that i'm supposed to care about firefly but

00:39:53.620 it's no more in the same hemisphere as buffy no and i tried i really did i did i've tried to watch

00:39:59.700 it four times i can't i don't like it sorry nathan you can't carry that show but you could be a very 0.72

00:40:05.620 excellent misogynist misogynist and i think you should just continue without your life

00:40:12.580 yeah he was spike was amazing everybody that i met um have you met uh julie benz yes you know 0.97

00:40:22.580 why i love julie benz first of all she's very flirty highly enjoyable 10 out of 10. she's not

00:40:28.340 gay but she's still flirty she's lovely and she because i met her at a comic-con now it's a little

00:40:34.260 bit more you have your person and your handler and whatever it's more formalized but back then you 0.67

00:40:40.340 kind of it really wasn't like that so when i met her i'm like very nervous and i met her and she

00:40:46.740 was very sweet and she's gorgeous i mean and and by the time i met her she'd already done dexter

00:40:51.060 and so she was amazing and she loved talking about Buffy and I'm and I said oh how much do I owe you

00:40:57.380 she goes oh honey I don't deal with the money that's too much because and because she didn't

00:41:01.660 want to say she don't want to what a nice person where you don't want to say that just push her off

00:41:06.220 yeah and then she's like what do you want me to sign on it and I'm like oh I don't know because

00:41:10.240 I was so nervous now I have quotes ready for them yeah and she's and she looked at me and she goes

00:41:15.260 well one of my favorites is bite me and then she winked I could have passed out I would have passed

00:41:19.700 out do you know you just winked at me and said bite me stop it i okay so i would have passed out

00:41:27.140 because i almost passed out because she follows me on tick tock and i i she's on tick tock so

00:41:35.140 she actually follows me and now we're mutuals but i didn't realize that until i was checking

00:41:40.420 out her page one day and it said the two things and like fall and i i legitimately had to go for

00:41:46.580 walk i had to leave my phone on the bed and like go outside because i had touched grass

00:41:53.140 is it julie benz is that what it is

00:41:57.140 i don't know but like legitimately and b-e-n-z yeah that's right yeah

00:42:05.540 yeah she's not following me yet oh she'll be following me by the end of the weekend i'm

00:42:09.860 gonna make a string of tick tocks just dedicated to her yeah see look she follows me it's so weird

00:42:14.900 that's not weird that's amazing i legitimately have been trying to pen uh like a message to her

00:42:24.080 being like i love you but i don't want to come off as creepy the last time she was on tiktok

00:42:29.980 was 2021 i know but somewhere in that journey she followed me and i was like 100 but how am i

00:42:37.220 gonna get out of now snoop i'll tell her to follow you i'll be like send her a message be like we

00:42:42.600 love you you should oh my god if you i wouldn't be amazing if you got her oh my god yes just oh

00:42:51.080 my god and i told you warren follows me on twitter who i love who is the like the worst villain like

00:42:59.240 truly the worst yeah never forget this villain um and i comment i i follow him on twitter and he

00:43:06.680 recently followed me and he sent me a message saying that you know soon like whatever he's

00:43:11.400 doing right now as soon as this comes down i would love to be on your podcast so i'm very excited i'm

00:43:15.080 going to try not to talk about his horrible you know warren character but he's absolutely amazing

00:43:23.240 like he's one of those guys that it's just like you know there's adam bush that's his name he's

00:43:29.800 one of those guys that again outside of his character his tweets are so sarcastic and

00:43:36.600 perfect and funny and poignant and all of those things that i i love him so much i like the guy

00:43:44.360 who played jonathan have you met him no never because he's been at comic cons because he's

00:43:51.160 huge now he wrote a lot of like i think he wrote an accounting war winning script um

00:43:57.720 he's a fantastic writer he is hilarious that's probably why he's not a comic-con probably but

00:44:03.480 you're not a comic you know um i'll tell you my scariest moment at yes please and i didn't know

00:44:11.760 how scary it was until after so i love buffy i go to comic cons for buffy all the time i do love

00:44:18.780 other any like anybody from my childhood so i've met a lot of 90210 people because amazing i've

00:44:25.160 met a lot of um uh anybody from old movies like nev campbell i love you know um richard dreyfuss

00:44:33.380 I've met, um, uh, just Captain Kirk, who is hilarious. If, if you can ever meet William

00:44:41.200 Shatner, his ego, if you can fit in the same room with him and his ego, it's hysterical.

00:44:45.680 He's a nonstop battery. Having said that, I go and I'm going to meet people from Smallville,

00:44:53.320 by the way, Michael Rosenbaum, and I am going to try to get him on my podcast. I don't know

00:44:57.060 how I'm going to do it, but I'm going to try. You're going to do it. I believe hilarious.

00:45:00.340 I have a video of me giving him a massage because he was feeling it.

00:45:06.040 I'm like, don't worry, I got you.

00:45:07.200 And he's kind of bantering.

00:45:08.160 He comes out and I skip the line.

00:45:09.800 I give him a massage.

00:45:10.620 We videotape the whole thing.

00:45:11.860 It's hilarious.

00:45:12.640 I have that video.

00:45:14.060 But nonetheless, he's amazing.

00:45:16.140 And I met Tom Welling and I met Laura Vander, whatever.

00:45:22.280 Yeah.

00:45:22.660 Oh, and the dad, Lionel Luther, who is also amazing.

00:45:26.040 having said that i stood in line for alice and mac quite a few years ago oh my god wait it gets

00:45:35.000 so it gets so much better so i stood in line so at this point i'm lined up for her and she has a

00:45:43.720 boatload of people lined up for her like a this is before the whole nx whatever that is nixium

00:45:49.320 there's a boatload of people lined up for her and she's super charismatic and i get to the front of

00:45:55.000 a line. And like I said before, I'm ridiculous. Like I, I, you know, I'm not very good with what 0.96

00:46:01.820 I'm going to say. And so I usually try to fiction, like create something. And I got up and she

00:46:05.940 recognized my tattoos on my arm. And she said, Oh my God, I love your tattoos. So right away,

00:46:11.900 she like pulled my arm and started looking at them. So that's happening. And we're chatting

00:46:17.900 and she asked my name and blah, blah, blah. But she had hundreds of people in that moment. So

00:46:23.640 thousands of people over the weekend, right? So that went well. She signed it. I did my picture,

00:46:29.700 whatever. Then I'm staying at the hotel because I'm this kind of crazy person. We figured out

00:46:36.020 the hotel where people were staying. Like, you know, there's that one or two hotels where a lot

00:46:40.800 of people, they'll put people up. So we figured out the hotel and I'm staying there. And in that

00:46:46.240 same hotel, like I ate breakfast 10 feet from data from Star Trek and all of these people,

00:46:52.580 but i'm i'm so pathetic that i don't go up to anybody i just kind of um adam west fist bumped 0.96

00:46:57.800 me in the hall i know uh right did you just turn to dust

00:47:04.440 um i have a funny story about adam west after actually anyways so i'm standing in there and

00:47:14.880 i'm doing all this stuff and i get up i'm up i don't know it might be at like eight o'clock in

00:47:20.240 the morning and I go downtown and what I do everywhere I go is I try to make friends with

00:47:23.760 everybody anybody that works at any establishment I'm I try to and not just because I'm going to

00:47:29.400 get something from it but because I think they have a hard job and the nicer I am whatever so

00:47:33.720 I go downstairs and the two ladies at the front desk that are checking people in say hi and

00:47:39.560 whatever and we're chatting I go this is crazy so many people and they're like yeah you know

00:47:43.400 so and so walked in and we're just chatting and as I'm standing there

00:47:46.940 in walks Alison Mack I guess she went out for a really early walk nobody else is around her

00:47:53.040 and I'm just like oh my god it's Alison Mack now remember it's at the end of the next day so she's

00:47:58.760 seen hundreds if not thousands of people by this point Stu she comes right up to me she rubs my

00:48:05.900 shoulder and says Joanna so nice to see you again are you gonna are you coming back today

00:48:11.540 It's like, and, and she kind of held on for a second and she's like, what are you, you

00:48:18.740 know, I got to go.

00:48:19.520 What are you up to?

00:48:20.100 Kind of.

00:48:20.580 And there was this moment where I'm like, and I was married at the time, but if I wasn't

00:48:25.240 married, I'm like, oh my God.

00:48:29.560 And then she walked away and the people are like, we've seen her come in.

00:48:34.620 She's never said hi to anybody.

00:48:36.240 How did she remember your, how did she remember my name?

00:48:39.820 Oh my God. 1.00

00:48:40.800 And then Stu, fast forward like five years, and she's in charge of a sex cult. 0.98

00:48:45.640 Yeah, you almost got this close.

00:48:48.660 I could have been this close.

00:48:49.760 Yeah.

00:48:50.480 If I wasn't married, I would have definitely tried to have more of a conversation. 0.64

00:48:55.320 Right. 1.00

00:48:55.900 And then I would have been in a sex cult. 1.00

00:48:58.140 You would have been in a sex cult. 0.99

00:48:59.840 With Alison Mack. 0.97

00:49:01.780 That's your memoir.

00:49:04.000 That's it. 0.98

00:49:04.740 Almost sex cult. 0.99

00:49:06.000 Almost sex cult. 0.99

00:49:07.320 Yeah, almost sex cult. 0.64

00:49:08.940 my story with alex mac alison mac alison mac it was crazy but in retrospect i i reckon i mean that

00:49:18.020 would have been going on right i didn't know but all of that would have been going on at that point

00:49:22.100 nobody really knew about it um but she had a charisma and and the ability obviously to like

00:49:30.600 how the hell she remembered my name but she has a charisma that is palpable that's crazy yeah and

00:49:37.860 that's what she would have used right yeah 100 that's insanity i could still be in nova michigan

00:49:45.980 right now right now let's go seriously oh my god that's a great story that's a story you pull at

00:49:52.300 dinner parties like two glasses of wine in and suddenly you're like let me tell you a story

00:49:56.840 when i was recruited for a sex cult it's 100 true though 100 true that's crazy

00:50:03.920 what's your worst episode what's the episode you hate the most it's all from it's all from season

00:50:11.160 one season one's quite painful in some degrees like that puppet thing i hate i can't that episode

00:50:18.060 is gone for me i removed my mind it's just every time i see it i'm like gone i'm trying to think

00:50:24.980 of an episode i i never want to see dawn dance again but i mean i like the musical episode but

00:50:30.860 the dancing was too much for me um yeah it was like they give you something to do and i was like

00:50:34.820 maybe they could have cut it she is a dancer though that's what i know they were really

00:50:39.240 trying because she couldn't sing neither could al knowing allison hannigan begging not to sing 1.00

00:50:46.040 on that episode is one of my favorites she's awful like the amount of minimal singing she does they 0.94

00:50:51.780 could have autotuned the hell out of it but i think that might be fully auto-tuned i think

00:50:55.620 she just sings like we sing you know um what else is the worst episode era benson has a beautiful

00:51:02.080 voice though oh gorgeous gorgeous and as we had i found out like i like older men because of that

00:51:09.600 song where do we go and i was like i'm done so nice we're going i'm going to your house what is

00:51:16.700 that what is the way i'm coming to europe yeah that's where i'm going it has to be from season

00:51:22.580 the rest of them are from season one probably i hated the egg one you know where they i was

00:51:27.700 gonna say the uh the praying mantis teacher oh the praying mantis teacher but that's kind of funny

00:51:34.180 because you can't you have to get xander's character by the time he says why am i always

00:51:41.060 the one that gets the funny syphilis you have to understand that he's been screwed every single

00:51:47.460 season that's one of my favorite episodes actually for the banter is that thanksgiving episode

00:51:55.620 because it's so funny when he gets syphilis and it is oh god he and him are like getting

00:52:02.820 yeah no that's that's a funny episode um yeah no it was lovely cordelia was also lovely

00:52:09.540 i loved cordelia my favorite episode with cordelia um did you watch angel were you an angel fan as

00:52:16.240 well yeah it was the episode where she was buying the art set for angel at the at the like little

00:52:23.260 like pop-up uh merchant uh walk at the end of season one and she's hit with the um

00:52:30.540 uh the curse and she sees all of the pain in the world um that that episode i think she did it so

00:52:39.440 well because it was the first time you were given the ability fully for her to fully like

00:52:46.240 stretch out those acting shots because she was she was so one-dimensional for so long

00:52:51.820 yeah and like you think joss whedon would give her like a little bit to work with and then he'd

00:52:55.900 be like no too much back i wonder if he never like i mean we all know elements of who he was

00:53:03.880 i wonder if cordelia uh charisma carpenter's character was always standoffish enough

00:53:12.820 or or whatever enough so he couldn't manipulate so he couldn't control so he couldn't do those 0.96

00:53:18.600 things but she wasn't a big enough character where he had to keep her around and had to respect that

00:53:23.760 you know what i'm saying yeah like i'm wondering because the way that everybody talks about it in

00:53:29.260 such a way so that nobody's going to get sued obviously but when you really listen to somebody

00:53:34.760 like amber benson speak on it or now charisma carpenter um you know you and and obviously

00:53:43.720 michelle you get a uh it's like they speak about it with enough weight but not with enough

00:53:50.440 specificity yes yes really understand what went on there and then and then i'm like but the best

00:53:57.080 way to understand is to watch the zach snyder cut versus josh whedon's cut of justice league i've

00:54:04.760 never seen somebody did a tick tock where they did a side by side did you ever see that yes 0.99

00:54:09.720 right and and they called in wonder woman you know to reshoot a scene where her ass 0.92

00:54:16.040 is half the screen right that was the whole reshoot and you're like 0.94

00:54:22.360 what are you what are you doing dude or even when the the flash falls on her

00:54:27.080 goes right into her chest and she said i don't want it was not even her she's like i refuse to

00:54:31.720 do the scene she's like bengel what are you doing you know anyways um you wonder you wonder how how

00:54:40.520 bad it was now i do know that he wasn't around a lot so you know he was in the beginning and then

00:54:47.480 not in whatever but um i do have a question for you actually so like knowing what you know now

00:54:54.280 about joss sweden um and how marty noxon who was like second in command for talked so highly of

00:55:02.840 him um when she took over the show do you think that because she has she's been very quiet she

00:55:09.640 hasn't said anything i don't think about it she has has she no oh yeah like she's very quiet yeah

00:55:16.200 she's been very very quiet about it and i'm wondering because she didn't last very long

00:55:21.480 Long and Grey's Anatomy. She lasts for maybe like a little bit of a season. And then she went off

00:55:25.280 and did the Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce. But I've always wondered what, like, I'm wondering

00:55:30.940 what you think about when she took over Buffy, did it change for the better or the worse?

00:55:37.540 What, when was she, when did she take over? 1.00

00:55:39.920 She was around season six. She did season six and seven. 1.00

00:55:43.660 Because he moved on to Firefly and Angel.

00:55:45.480 yeah i like you got i like season seven i mean i love season six but i do really really like

00:55:51.240 season seven so i think it was good what i find interesting about the whole josh whedon thing and

00:55:56.880 everybody says you know why would some people still keep their mouth shut because she would

00:56:00.480 have known my my problem is everybody on that set would have known especially anybody in

00:56:05.720 administration and uh executive you know anybody in the top ranks would have known

00:56:10.260 um i think some of the men on set might not have because they wouldn't have been aware of it and

00:56:17.220 they might not have been there when it happened and i think you have the ability to kind of

00:56:21.540 not see what doesn't impact you right um but when we talk about the me too campaign and all

00:56:28.780 of the stuff that came down with that the funny part is

00:56:32.020 we people that still wanted a really big strong career

00:56:41.020 still didn't talk right yeah right like angelina jolie it never happened to me

00:56:50.660 bull crap you're i don't think i think we knew the tip of the iceberg because think about the 1.00

00:56:58.880 people that were really leading the charge it was a bunch of actresses nobody's ever heard of then 1.00

00:57:03.580 you have a rose mcgowan who is done what she can burn every bridge it doesn't matter you have not

00:57:09.740 that charisma carpenter is done but she's definitely she got burnt by it and it is what it is

00:57:14.860 right and you because as soon as and this is the part that nobody talks about it's not about

00:57:22.660 it is about harvey weinstein it is about josh whedon it's all about all these people that

00:57:27.420 take advantage and then it's about the women who can't take a joke you can't take a comment

00:57:34.780 who cause problems and no matter who you are as a director as a producer you're steering clear of 0.95

00:57:45.220 those women you just are i think you are i think you're you you it's you made too much of it i

00:57:54.400 think there's still that mentality nobody's talking about that with harvey weinstein and

00:57:57.920 what he did and how he did it but again think about think about who really came to the table there

00:58:04.800 even was it who was dating brad pitt at the time gwyneth paltrow and when when the whole harvey

00:58:12.320 don't you remember the thing he tried to do to me and i called brad and brad came over

00:58:17.120 right where's gwyneth true she's goop where is she nowhere you know what i'm saying and and she

00:58:28.000 also said nothing happened you know i just the notion that at the very do i think that everybody

00:58:36.560 was sexually assaulted of course not that's an extreme but do i think that everybody every woman

00:58:42.240 god even to this day is on the set and has to take that joke whatever that joke happens to be

00:58:51.520 i think that's pretty pretty freaking common because and if if we started talking about 0.99

00:58:55.980 you know the jokes and the innuendos and the slaps on the ass 0.96

00:59:00.840 you never shut up no it's never no exactly 100 and i think she wanted a career she's like i 0.98

00:59:09.480 want my career i want my more i want my career more than i'm willing to call him out and that's

00:59:14.940 the case of everybody right yeah it's it's interesting because you look at her career

00:59:21.640 since leaving buffy and she did like a couple of she co-created that show point pleasant which

00:59:28.680 wasn't a very successful show she joined brothers and sisters which is huge for abc then she left

00:59:33.560 after four months i like girlfriend's guy yeah i liked girlfriend's guy too i i really like that

00:59:38.820 show and it was i love her the main character from uh lisa edelstein i love her so much um and then

00:59:45.480 um she joined pirate practice and then like left again grace anatomy left again and then she made

00:59:51.980 madman and they she was like able she said it was it brought her career to a new level

00:59:56.440 and then she had your girlfriend's guide to divorce and i love that show i just it's always

01:00:01.300 interesting to me to like understand like where she was in that conversation because if all these

01:00:07.980 actors and actresses are saying it was a toxic set and she was the executive producer for six

01:00:13.840 and seven what was she doing to like write that ship like if amber benson got to a point where

01:00:19.280 she wouldn't even come back i don't think he was around for much of six and seven

01:00:23.240 yeah he would have been off an angel he would have been off like that's what they talk about

01:00:28.400 in those later seasons he wasn't around often and so i don't think you know and i think the

01:00:36.920 toxicity I think it was blatant and also so incredibly subtle it's the subtleties of

01:00:45.380 everything of homophobia of racism of sexism of misogyny it's the subtleties that are just

01:00:50.760 and nobody and this is why we sound like you know when when the right is just like oh you complain

01:00:57.640 about everything because you they don't understand that the subtleties are like a slow moving you

01:01:04.640 know for us it just it whittles away at you day after day after day and coming at you from all

01:01:10.960 angles you got to take this joke you got to take that joke you got to be okay with the way they 0.99

01:01:15.480 talked about your ass you got to be okay with this you got to be okay with that and after a while 0.99

01:01:20.160 it's like this mountain you're carrying around on your shoulder and you're like no and all of a 1.00

01:01:24.720 sudden you say screw you and they're like wow you're so emotional you're so emotional oh my

01:01:29.040 god take a joke right it's been so much and that's and i honestly believe i don't think they could

01:01:37.360 have seen necessarily the forest for the trees when you're in it i think that's true of a lot

01:01:42.760 of toxicity in a relationship on a set i think when you step out of something so horrific

01:01:48.780 or even mildly horrific you know and you step out and all of a sudden you don't have that anymore

01:01:54.360 or you're on you're in a healthy relationship or on a healthy set you're like oh wait a minute

01:02:00.120 wait a minute all of that and those kids were young all of that was horrible yeah

01:02:08.760 but i didn't know it was like uh you know i was becoming famous i had this great opportunity this

01:02:15.540 was my chance this was my whatever i'd never been on a set who knows if this is common

01:02:20.020 and i think once you know it doesn't feel good but i don't think you see as clearly until you're

01:02:27.800 not around it that makes complete sense 100 because you only can see it back in retrospect

01:02:33.080 that what you dealt with was not normal yeah i think that's my guess anyways amazing oh my god

01:02:40.680 we've talked for another hour stew you're gonna promise me you're gonna come in august we're gonna

01:02:46.160 go to comic-con yes i will make all the tiktoks and try to get like vip backstage passes maybe

01:02:52.940 we'll just set up my podcast from there i love that let's do it i'm all in yeah i'm gonna hold

01:02:58.540 you to that guys go check out i'm gonna put all of his stuff underneath here again where you can

01:03:03.780 find him go check him out on tiktok he's amazing he's lovely i will see you guys next week same

01:03:10.740 bad time same bat station someday i'm gonna get in trouble for copyright thank you so much this bye

01:03:18.020 dismissed

Unlearn16: Class is in Session - May 10, 2022

The One Where ＂I Saved The World A Lot'

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