Unlearn16: Class is in Session - June 22, 2025


The One Where My Life Change Because of a Post It...That's Not What This Book Is About

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The One Where I Stitch 'Girl'...That's Not What This Book Is About The One 'You think I wasn't going to love you anymore'...That's Not What This Book Is About'

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody and welcome to Unlearn 16, Classes in Session.
00:00:09.180 This is associated with one of the chapters in my book.
00:00:11.980 You're going to have a little QR code that's going to bring you right here
00:00:14.260 so you can go read the book and see everything today.
00:00:17.800 Guys, today for my post-it chapter, I have with me one of my oldest friends.
00:00:25.000 I mean, I'm not calling you old.
00:00:26.260 Thanks.
00:00:26.600 but we're the same age we met in grade nine silly feel we're not the same age i we're the same age
00:00:34.740 i was way ahead or way behind i don't know how does it okay we're the same age fine and i'm a
00:00:40.160 december baby so i'm definitely younger than you oh you're you're late like oh so you don't you
00:00:46.860 don't turn 50 until the like very late i'm barely even turning 50 this year so salie and i played
00:00:54.160 on this. You're barely 50. You're 50, honey. Sally and I played on the same high school
00:01:00.260 volleyball team. So if you read the book and you read the chapter about the post-it, which we'll
00:01:05.240 talk about a little bit, I brought Sally on to reminisce about that time in our lives, why it
00:01:10.380 was important, what we remember. Apparently Sally doesn't remember anything because she's older than
00:01:15.480 me. You guys keep that in mind. No, younger. And then to talk a little bit about women in sport
00:01:22.460 and what it meant to us and all of those kinds of things.
00:01:25.060 And you guys have to know,
00:01:26.940 Sally and I,
00:01:28.360 so we graduated in 94.
00:01:32.540 I know a lot of people listening are like,
00:01:34.740 I was born in 97.
00:01:36.280 Yeah.
00:01:38.720 That's insane.
00:01:39.800 People that I work with were born in the 2000s.
00:01:43.040 It's offensive.
00:01:43.700 Yes.
00:01:44.360 They should fire them.
00:01:46.960 I don't have the authority.
00:01:49.660 Or else you would.
00:01:52.460 So when, when you guys read the book and you read about the post-it that I got, so, so just to, just to recap a little bit, when we tried out for volleyball, Sally and I were very different volleyball players.
00:02:03.680 Sally was a much, like you had much more natural talent. She was a, well, it's true. You, you on the grade nine team, you were a star. Like you, you had that talent and I was a little bit more of a grinder.
00:02:17.280 Like volleyball, I was okay in grade nine. Come grade 10, Ms. Rosan, shout out. She sat me on the bench for a long time. We didn't really see eye to eye. And that was when I thought, oh, I'm never making the senior team because Gord Williamson, shout out Gord Williamson. I'm going to try to get him on this podcast. I swear to God.
00:02:35.580 shout out to gordon williamson i thought he kind of walked and surveyed the school and decided who
00:02:41.420 he was going to pull up to play up onto his senior volleyball team which everybody wanted
00:02:46.860 to play for because they were amazing yes and which i got to play for in offsa with them and
00:02:52.640 i actually hit the tail end exactly i actually hit the court because she was better way better
00:02:56.700 than me but i'm just saying she was i'm just saying but i barely played well but i barely
00:03:02.000 the beginning but it was very cool to be around that but it was very cool to be at offsa with
00:03:06.680 that team so just so you guys know high school in ontario goes up to grade 13 when we were kids
00:03:12.800 right so she played salie played up at grade the end of grade 10 and then onward but in grade 10
00:03:19.120 i'm sitting on the bench and while i'm sitting on the bench gordon walks by me and i'm like well
00:03:22.560 there it goes i'm never playing do you know how i even got the call to play i don't even know if
00:03:28.100 you know this story so I was sitting on the bench he was never asking me to try out for this girl's
00:03:33.340 volleyball team I'm like that's done and then I played rugby that spring and Mr. Hussey shout out
00:03:38.960 to Mr. Hussey Mr. Hussey was a coach for the rugby team and I just played all out and he's the one
00:03:47.100 that told told Will that you got to give this girl a shot because she just plays all heart
00:03:53.180 she's all heart she's she goes I he goes I don't even know if she plays volleyball but she's all
00:03:57.540 heart on the rugby pitch just give her a shot so that's why he even let me try out okay right and
00:04:02.860 then i tried out and when we tried out you sort of they post a very last list now for me salie was 0.90
00:04:08.420 like smoking balls right like just friggin she's a middle hitter she hit the ball like a friggin
00:04:14.320 superhero oh my god meanwhile my only superpower was diving everywhere and you did i don't dive 1.00
00:04:23.060 everywhere. And we had this thing where we pushed boards. So we had a two by four that was wrapped
00:04:29.820 in a towel about two feet wide and you put it on the ground and you bend over and you push it up
00:04:34.860 and down. We're in a gym right now. You do lines. You do lines. Yeah. Like suicides, but with a
00:04:39.340 board, if that makes sense. Now I was amazing at it. Oh yeah. Saley. I was horrible. She still
00:04:47.140 can't do one. I should get one out of the thing. No, cause I won't be able to do it. I told people, 0.91
00:04:51.640 i even told my kids i'm like there were these things called boards which is exactly what you
00:04:56.720 explain and i was like i'm going on this podcast and my friend joanna she would go laps up and
00:05:02.220 down this i could barely even you put too much pressure on it you were telling me how to do it
00:05:08.060 it didn't matter my quads were screaming the whole time it hurts right and i literally told my kids
00:05:14.520 though i said i couldn't get up and down the court everybody was like shouting at me finally i'm like
00:05:19.160 i can't do it and i would like lay down remember and will the coach he would be like forget it
00:05:24.460 salie just get up and he didn't make me do it because i was so she was so good because i was
00:05:29.840 so bad meanwhile like no meanwhile the board guys that was my only way in i if i wasn't going to be
00:05:40.420 a great volleyball player i had to be the player that would kill myself oh my god right i didn't do
00:05:46.060 but I would just fall over. So when I, when we, when we tried out for the senior team,
00:05:50.260 I didn't think, I didn't know if I was going to make it. Sally, obviously. Oh no, no, no. I'm
00:05:54.540 not, I'm not taking away from what we became. I'm just saying at the beginning, like mostly I sat
00:05:59.300 on the bench, but, um, everybody else got to see a list at school, but I was at a co-op placement.
00:06:05.120 So Gord called, he said, you'll go check the secretary's office. So when I walked into the
00:06:09.340 secretary's office, she handed me a post-it that said senior practice 7am. And I still have it in
00:06:14.580 my wallet now. And Will would pick me up every day for that practice, even though I live four
00:06:20.520 minutes from the school. He'd pick me up too. It's true. And you would be in the car. Cheryl
00:06:25.360 would be in the car. He'd pick everybody up for practice. So crazy. My parents would laugh. They're
00:06:30.280 like, you literally have to walk through a path. I'm like, no. But it was just like, it was, it's
00:06:35.260 interesting. And I want to talk about him as a coach. I want to talk about that team because
00:06:39.780 there was something pivotal about that team and I know you went on to play university ball and I
00:06:45.660 went on to play university sports but I don't know what do you think and maybe I'm wrong maybe
00:06:50.800 that's just me but you there was something magical about that team do you think oh yeah like we all
00:06:58.360 just I don't know we just had our thing I don't know what it was because I think about us on paper
00:07:03.480 like if you were to look at our team on paper meaning our size we were tiny see how tall are
00:07:09.320 five eight so tiny salie i would never make a middle hitter nowadays yeah salie was one of our
00:07:15.900 and on paper i think and even walking into the court individually people will be like oh whatever
00:07:23.700 it's anderson yeah but but what i think was magic and this is i think a testament to will
00:07:29.520 was that as a team we were just better do you understand what i mean like it was like our
00:07:37.060 individual talents all and I never felt like there was huge ego on that team no we just genuinely
00:07:44.500 liked each other I think right like I think was there I don't remember genuinely liked each other
00:07:50.500 yeah and we were always joking around with each other that you started volleyball mix do you still
00:07:56.820 have the volleyball mix the tape yeah what do you mean the music of course yes I should play a little
00:08:02.120 life is a highway right now if i had that technical ability life is a highway right and then um yeah
00:08:08.520 you you had the mix and you had to have that we had a ghetto blaster that's right and you don't
00:08:14.120 say ghetto blaster anymore exactly but you would bring in you would bring in a ghetto blaster what
00:08:18.440 we called it and then we would play that in life is a highway that's just a little arythmics was on
00:08:23.860 that warm-up tape there was a lot of we are this is how um this is how humble we were we would also
00:08:32.960 play we are the champions yes on our warm-up tape people must have hated us like just or they were
00:08:40.680 intimidated we always had a good time though but i think it stands to but it was discipline
00:08:45.720 discipline with gourd the warm-up was the exact same every single time yeah and then and he would
00:08:52.440 we would know where we're going it was like a university warm-up because I say there's so many
00:08:56.560 teams because I'll even watch some high school teams and they're just kind of doing whatever
00:09:00.640 right but when you get to university everything is you know this is what we're doing first this
00:09:05.200 is what we're doing second and then it's a whole warm-up that's scheduled yeah and Gord had that
00:09:10.160 all the time and I think that when he picked us too I honestly do believe he he picked a team he
00:09:17.280 just didn't pick players. And, and he said this, that he picked people with heart and he, and he
00:09:24.140 used to say, you can teach skill. You can teach a skill. You can't teach a, a, a, like a sense of
00:09:31.840 team and a heart and a work ethic that's either there or it's not there. And we've had a few
00:09:37.160 people that like had a bit of skill, but didn't last too long on that team or maybe sat on the
00:09:42.380 bench because the heart wasn't there. Right. So as we started playing and it, I also find it
00:09:48.960 interesting that he was like, to this day, we've, we've still talked to him. I talked to him often,
00:09:54.520 but to this day, it's like, he had this thing where he was like a typical guy. Like he was a
00:10:00.880 gruff guy, drove a truck. Like he wasn't warm and fuzzy. No, he wasn't warm and fuzzy. But if I had
00:10:09.000 to call to get out of jail i could have called it yeah and you and you knew he cared about everybody
00:10:14.000 well he cared so much that he drove the remember drove the rental van like because we told him
00:10:20.160 even though we're going into an underground with the rental van remember that we're going into the
00:10:25.080 underground with the rental van and he said and it was hitting the top it was scraping just a little
00:10:32.440 just a little bit of a barrier we'll be no no we convinced him that it'll be fine
00:10:36.660 that's how much he like just believed in us it wasn't fine fine we got halfway down there and
00:10:44.900 i'm sitting in the back and you start seeing the roof divot in we're like and then we're like now
00:10:52.600 what do we do was especially cheryl's like it'll be fine was his hand broken at that time remember
00:10:56.520 his hand was broken at some point was he was that the time or was that a different time anyways and
00:11:01.520 he had to get out and he had to let out the air from the tires and ruin the rims. I don't even
00:11:08.120 know how you were turning that van. I don't even know. Cause he had to lower the rims. But he had
00:11:12.540 to take the fall for that. That was it. Because I remember Sheila going, it's fine. Don't even
00:11:16.720 worry. It's fine. It's fine. And everybody was like, it's going to be fine. Even though it was
00:11:20.380 touching like the barrier. It's just the barrier. Oh yeah. What a nightmare. Oh my God. I also
00:11:25.260 remember like i mean we won pretty much everything but playing on that team like you guys got to know
00:11:32.020 we were at practice at 7 a.m five days a week and he took us to tournaments nine out of 12 weekends
00:11:39.780 yeah like i didn't even know we had a family like that's that's the commitment you know what i mean
00:11:44.780 like what was his family doing all that time sale like think about that like you go away with other
00:11:50.000 people's kids for nine weekends of 12 weekends in that particular you know but I mean he was he
00:11:59.020 he was rough too I mean I so you're talking about those pivotal moments too and so like I remember
00:12:05.280 I think we were in Ottawa for a tournament and I think I messed up a couple times it was a pivotal
00:12:09.680 game and he never yelled at me like really ever like no he yelled at me but he really didn't yell
00:12:18.100 at me but I remember he yelled at me in that game and he was I don't remember what Joey said do you
00:12:23.240 remember that like he just he just we had a timeout because I think I hit two balls into the net or
00:12:27.720 something and then he really wanted to win this game and he was just like smart enough or he did
00:12:33.260 something but he pointed and he yelled I was like oh my god but after that it turned around and we
00:12:38.580 ended up winning the game see there was players he could yell at though he could yell at me he could
00:12:42.760 yell at you he could yell at cheryl and that's it if there's if he yelled at erica love you erica
00:12:49.740 you're listening erica would put you don't yell at erica gamble like don't you don't yell at her
00:12:54.720 don't yell at kelly you could yell at lisa back in the day but there are players uh you know that
00:13:01.160 you can yell at and then so i feel like he would he would yell at you or me because he knew it goes
00:13:08.140 for the team yeah but i can direct but like really yell at me yeah i can throw it out really yell at
00:13:12.720 me oh yeah that's all i mean now i don't think he get like now he's thrown some some clipboards
00:13:20.380 no that's what we joke about chairs he threw he threw a chair that same game
00:13:24.400 right because if you were on the bench you don't sit near him if you were on the bench and you knew
00:13:29.700 he was upset you guys would all just like come over towards the center you could just start to
00:13:34.920 throw well yeah he would he would slam down on the side of the the bench and you're like you just
00:13:40.620 don't sit back no you just don't but the thing was it was always it wasn't a mistake he would
00:13:46.340 get upset with as much you know what he got really upset with I think it and this is so true again
00:13:51.700 pivotal moment which is why I think it informs so much of who I am he got upset if you weren't
00:13:57.120 playing with heart meaning if you're gonna hit the ball hit it friggin hard if it goes out the
00:14:02.300 court cool if you're gonna hit if you're gonna serve hit it hard if you need to get to you know
00:14:07.160 die for the ball if you do that there's no yelling but if it looks like you hesitated if it looks
00:14:14.100 like you backed up if it looks like you didn't give it your all you're like oh somebody else
00:14:18.180 will get that well then that's what the and and for me even in life that that is it if you're
00:14:25.540 gonna hit it hard hit it out right that's just like a beautiful metaphor for the way that everybody
00:14:31.040 should walk through life understanding that you know sometimes you lose the point but how did you
00:14:37.220 play and listening like being on that team um not only surrounded by players that were technically
00:14:46.280 way better than me you know and I and I think over time I definitely obviously got better but
00:14:51.340 but we all got better too we all got better we all got better and we got better and the reason
00:14:56.180 why i think we were so freaking powerful was because i think we got better with the thing
00:15:01.080 we needed to bring to the game do you understand what i mean by that like like we all had different
00:15:07.600 things that we were maybe great at and it was like well that you bring that thing you bring
00:15:13.480 that thing no matter how much no matter what like i'm not letting you set a ball but you
00:15:17.900 that's not your thing can i tell you i'm the setter on my team no listen you're now on playing
00:15:25.300 old lady so all of your no and guys all of your play co-ed and we lost our setter and nobody else
00:15:31.340 wanted to be a set so i set guys so i set now listen it was real like it was bad in the very
00:15:37.760 beginning and i'm still bad like they know they know that you know i'm not a setter by trade at
00:15:44.380 all so they'll so they'll give me grace so they'll give me grace if i have a bad set to them now
00:15:49.340 but nobody wanted to set and if nobody wants to set then listen but that's what you just you got
00:15:55.700 to keep you got to just pick it up like my thing was definitely serving the really sad part about
00:16:00.320 my your serves were amazing okay let me tell you something so sad so obviously i'm 49 way older
00:16:06.880 than you apparently yes way older than me and i played in this league in the in the way it was
00:16:12.360 so much fun it was a lot of fun or whatever serving overhand and i served once and something
00:16:19.100 but people say menopause perimetopause frozen shoulder all of the rotator cuff all of these
00:16:25.880 different things but peel I hit the ball and on contact here something happened in my shoulder
00:16:32.160 I almost threw up and so now I can't if I'm going to even hit the ball how long ago was this it's
00:16:39.140 just this winter so I've had to I I do you have frozen shoulder I don't I had to serve under
00:16:45.960 oh my god but did you miss oh no i got the ball over under no no no but can i tell you
00:16:52.120 there's a couple of people on my team there's a couple of people on my team and one guy in
00:16:57.980 particular that when he says he doesn't trust himself with the overhand like if it's a critical
00:17:03.300 point he'll underhand serve and he's missed no no and at that point you should just walk i'm like
00:17:08.580 Exactly. Have a nice day. If you serve underhand and you miss it, like that's when I would yell
00:17:16.560 at him on the court every single time. He's like, I know I'm taking it. I'm like, you don't miss if
00:17:20.180 you serve underhand. That's also a rule of life. Rule of life. It's a rule of life. If you're
00:17:25.480 going to play it safe, get the job done. Or you have to quit. It just made no sense. I'm like,
00:17:34.800 how can you not serve it in serving under you know what else was cool about anderson in that
00:17:39.760 time and about so this volleyball team which i also think super important we were the girls
00:17:45.180 senior volleyball team at anderson was the team the team at anderson there was no other team that
00:17:51.500 took priority no other team that was like the the prized kind of possession because for a very long
00:17:58.660 time we kicked ass and what was cool about that is there was a level of respect for girls on
00:18:06.260 athletes that I think was way ahead of its time do you know what I mean like think about most 0.59
00:18:12.020 schools most schools the guys basketball team or maybe a guy's football team or whatever
00:18:16.100 but that school was no oh no no that's the girls girls volleyball team yeah and there was a power
00:18:23.540 we went to AFSA how many times in a row so many times so many times in a row
00:18:28.640 you remember playing in offsa speaking of learning hard lessons um when we got silver yeah that's the
00:18:35.800 main thing at mac we played at mac and we lost against mayfield which is my husband's school
00:18:42.480 that's a and so he constantly brings up remember with barb
00:18:45.940 barb guys i believe i feel like it's a and she had a scholarship i want to say to stanford 0.97
00:18:55.020 and she was so tall.
00:18:58.060 So I'm 5'8". 0.70
00:18:58.820 How tall was she?
00:18:59.660 6'2", 6'3". 1.00
00:19:01.660 And her thighs, guys, were my waist. 1.00
00:19:04.880 Okay? 1.00
00:19:05.280 When she jumped to hit the ball...
00:19:07.720 I had to block her.
00:19:09.000 Here's what you did. 0.97
00:19:12.380 Forget blocking her. 0.99
00:19:13.620 That was just her hands.
00:19:15.080 I was six up. 0.99
00:19:17.680 So when you didn't block her,
00:19:20.680 I was just trying...
00:19:21.560 That's probably a lot of the time. 1.00
00:19:22.440 I was trying not to get Tashikara
00:19:24.540 tattooed across my forehead. I know she was incredible. She was incredible. What was
00:19:29.260 incredible about that game? She was that frigging good. And we still lost. It was like by like 15, 0.98
00:19:35.440 13, 15, 13. I know we came now and what was beautiful. It was a silver medal. Obviously
00:19:41.520 nobody likes a silver medal, but there is no, there is no way that that medal wasn't the most
00:19:48.780 impressive athletic thing, I swear to God, I've ever watched a group of people accomplish together
00:19:55.240 because we were way out of our league. Meaning if you looked at them on paper, Barb wasn't the
00:20:00.860 only tall chick on that team. They were all tall and they were good. And the one girl I ended up
00:20:06.840 playing with at Mac, um, Christine, I ended up playing with Christine at Mac. She was very,
00:20:11.720 very tall and she was a middle at Mac. See, I couldn't be a middle at Mac. I was, I was a left 0.91
00:20:15.720 side yeah um but no but do you remember the semi-final for that game yeah tell the story
00:20:21.920 this is a great by the way this is another great story oh my god we were what would we losing i
00:20:27.000 try to remember we were losing we were losing so games in that time only went up to 15 as well so
00:20:31.920 i think what we're trying not rally point so it went to 15 and you had you had to serve to get
00:20:37.440 the point yeah otherwise it was just enough it was just a side up yeah so it took forever for
00:20:41.520 the games we were losing I want to say 12-4 easy 12-4 13 I think it was 13-5 for the longest time
00:20:48.700 and we ended up winning at 16-14 I remember Colleen and I were in the back row and you I think you
00:20:55.900 were serving a lot of those points when we started getting them back and Colleen and I were in the
00:20:59.480 back row and it was just like because Colleen was like she swung the ball great but her pass wasn't
00:21:05.960 necessarily the most perfect pass you had amazing passes but her and i in that moment
00:21:10.620 it was like for the love of the game it was a perfect game colleen and iris in the back row
00:21:16.440 boom boom anything that came back there like how is this happening we're like we're losing and then
00:21:21.080 we did it again yeah because then the next game you think we would get smarter but the next game
00:21:25.640 we were down quite a bit as well yeah and we can't and and that team was better on paper yeah they
00:21:31.280 were huge too. Yeah. 13 to four, 13 to five. I just remember like it was crazy. I can only imagine
00:21:39.120 on their side. I can only imagine on their side, all the team and the coaches going like, what is
00:21:44.240 happening? But there it is, right? That's the beauty of it. And I think that's what that team
00:21:50.020 taught me. I really do. I think there was something, there was something about the way
00:21:56.900 we played together, I don't even remember. I'm sure we did. Like, I'm sure there was back and
00:22:02.020 forth at some point, but I swear to God, I can't remember a single negative, like anything significant
00:22:10.100 of that team. And maybe that's because I'm having, do you, can you even remember? Maybe I'm having
00:22:15.100 like foggy memory. We would always go to Melanie Pringles too. You and Cheryl were always really
00:22:19.560 good at organizing like stuff with Will. We would go to Melanie Pringles and Whitby. It's still
00:22:24.740 there i think we went there not long ago all as adults really no you were there no i wasn't yes
00:22:30.380 you were when we had the yes you were are you okay is this perimenopause you were there
00:22:37.940 it was with will when we met oh yeah sorry it was like a long time ago well it was a really long
00:22:45.200 time you said it was not that long ago that was like 10 years ago okay but not that long as in
00:22:49.460 it wasn't high school. No, that was, okay. We've been out of school for like 30 years ago.
00:22:55.480 It was like 10 years ago. Yeah. No, Melanie Pringles. And then we would, we would get
00:22:59.800 together and then that would kind of be a place as well too. Yeah. And the, the idea that the,
00:23:05.760 this team, this, this, I don't know. And it made me go to school. It made me, not that I hated
00:23:12.140 school or I was bad at school, but if you didn't go to school, you didn't play. Literally. If you
00:23:16.940 decided I was going to show up that day, you'd be sitting on the bench. Doesn't matter how good you
00:23:20.340 are. Will would not play you. And, and it was like, it kind of in, not only empowered you in
00:23:27.360 the sense of like, you feel really good about doing something, but it made you want to do
00:23:31.700 better at other things because you want it. I want it. I'll say this book. I wanted to impress
00:23:36.360 Will. Like I wanted to make sure he was proud. I wanted to make sure that I did, you know,
00:23:40.800 and he kind of built that in a kind of paternalistic kind of way. I would say like,
00:23:45.860 I think he was a father figure in a lot of ways for some of us well like we all especially after
00:23:52.640 that even though it was second place you know we came back it was like what was we got him that
00:23:57.300 license come back 94 come back 94 we we got him that license plate he loved it I wonder if it's
00:24:03.120 still on his car he still has it he does I it's still on his car today it's on his truck it's on
00:24:08.460 his truck yeah see because that's special too for all of us to get together and want to do that for
00:24:13.760 him as well. Right. And I think, yeah, I think there's something when you're teenagers, especially
00:24:18.440 as women. And I think this is a really important part is that athletics has a way of tapping into
00:24:24.100 something different. And I know you played when you went to Mac for, you know, when you went to
00:24:28.700 a university there. Um, but athletics has a way of tapping into, what do you think it is? Because
00:24:36.520 it gives a sense of confidence that nothing else gives. I don't think it's something else. What do
00:24:42.540 you well it's a sense of yeah but you can but I think it's also like it's even a forum to test
00:24:50.760 yourself and a forum to to fail at things too right oh that's awesome yeah don't you think so
00:24:57.700 I coached I coached my daughter like her club team um for the longest time and when she was in high
00:25:04.920 school and then just the last couple years I didn't but I was just an assistant coach but I
00:25:10.600 just found too it's like and especially volleyball and I would bring her to Mac like so shout out to
00:25:16.540 Tim Lukes who just retired who was my vulnerable coach and he was still there up until like two
00:25:22.760 years ago so I would bring her and whoever from the volleyball team wanted to go we actually took
00:25:27.200 a full trip there and we would go just to see Mac play because my coach was still coaching
00:25:33.200 and but what we would point out with the girls like and especially the captain of the team who 0.95
00:25:38.900 he would who tim would choose being the captain of the team is that she would go up she'd take a
00:25:44.560 swing and again hard as hard as she could she messed up it's like okay she didn't hang her
00:25:51.360 head down she was up high fives from everybody the next one she's like give it to me again
00:25:56.800 come back out swing she gets the kill right and then that was such a teachable moment to all of
00:26:03.600 the girls and i think especially in volleyball it's so huge and then that's what i try to teach
00:26:08.520 the girls as well too like it's okay to get up do your best but then you want that right back to try
00:26:15.760 to do it better the second time and that was okay that that happened but the next time you're going
00:26:20.300 to do it better do you think that's what it is about athletics that there there is something
00:26:25.180 about just but it's also the teamwork the camaraderie yeah like i think being part of
00:26:30.060 something with a common goal there is is is so key right because i don't know what you find like i
00:26:35.700 have a son and a daughter I find growing up for them very different I find girls very they could
00:26:42.000 be very catty right like there's always some drama going on right but you get them on the same team 1.00
00:26:48.900 like I still be talking about whatever else or you know before they get on the court but as soon as
00:26:53.520 they're on the court they have that common goal and they have that camaraderie that they'll never
00:26:58.420 forget right and on the floor it's a totally different it's a totally different thing to them
00:27:03.580 Do you think, yeah, do you think that's counterculture then? Because I do think that the reason, maybe this is the reason I'm drawn so much to athletics, especially for young girls, is because our culture, unfortunately, has historically, and still to some degree currently, it's very divisive for girls.
00:27:20.040 It's very oddly caddy and behind your back, and this is my group of people, and this is your group of people.
00:27:28.980 And culturally, I think it's been supported in that way, whereas when you're on a team, you learn something else.
00:27:38.540 And it's not to say you can't learn it in different places, but I do think there is something about a team sport
00:27:44.580 that allows young women to step into something that society as a whole isn't teaching us
00:27:52.140 or isn't really excited to teach women. Do you understand what I mean?
00:27:57.580 What do you mean excited to teach women, not excited to teach women?
00:28:01.120 I think women, I think in general, when you think about, you know, foundations of patriarchy and
00:28:06.680 sexism and all of those things, I think women have been taught a lot more competition. It's
00:28:12.200 funny. You think it's between men, but guys just compete in different ways. But whereas girls
00:28:17.280 compete, you know, with the way they look and who they sit with, like whose lunch table you sit at, 0.97
00:28:23.360 you know what I mean? Like that's a, that's a, it's a social construct. I think that we put on
00:28:29.620 women. We don't teach them as much to support each other, to, to lift each other, to elevate 0.89
00:28:37.960 each other I think that's why it's so quick for women to condemn oh do you see what she was wearing 0.70
00:28:44.480 oh my god you see who she walked in with guys don't do that we do that and and why do we do 0.66
00:28:51.880 that and where do we do that and how in a team environment if you're on the right team with the
00:28:57.520 right coach because if you have a bad coach you're you know up the creek anyway but if you have the
00:29:02.120 right coach that encourages and creates that kind of environment where literally I would break my
00:29:09.940 arm like if if me diving for that ball meant I was out for the season because I dislocated my
00:29:15.660 shoulder I'm doing it and to build that that's impressive and like we're from like different
00:29:23.360 different areas and different social circles too which is pretty cool right because it's not like
00:29:29.160 you know we hung out a couple of us hung out outside of volleyball but not all of us yeah
00:29:34.200 not all of us all together right we were all in different circles but it didn't matter much so
00:29:39.100 when you got on the court right yeah and and there was a beauty a little bit of a beauty in that too
00:29:44.260 right there was this idea that you didn't and that was cool too because I think in for a lot of girls
00:29:50.340 it's like you have your best friend and you have where you sit and if you deviate from that you
00:29:54.860 know then there's drama whereas for our team it was like we were in different grades we we like
00:30:00.300 different things uh we hung out with different people and then as soon as you were on that court
00:30:05.420 that was it you were together you were together and there there is something very cool about that
00:30:10.340 i don't know if will create it i'm still trying to wrap my head around is it something he because
00:30:15.700 he had success after success after success so it's obviously there's something he's bringing
00:30:21.500 to the table so do you remember him though bringing in the seniors like I think it was a lot
00:30:26.860 of mentorship to be honest and um I try to do this too you know with teams we bring in people
00:30:33.420 that are experienced and have been through you know things that you have not been through yet
00:30:37.580 so he would bring back like Lisa Babington like would come and help out right and he would bring
00:30:43.560 back a couple of like Joanna Hood I think came back as well too right so like she would come and
00:30:49.380 she would um mentor us like she would just you know run drills with us or you know do something
00:30:55.380 with us right and it's just having that person to look up to too he would be really big on that
00:31:00.120 whole mentorship piece as well which is again why i would bring you know my daughter and some
00:31:05.960 teammates to go to mac and to see you know what they could be and have those girls come and talk
00:31:11.300 to them after the game right and then to chat with them about their volleyball experience and
00:31:16.860 ask questions and everything too, right? I also think he let us, like we're painting him to be
00:31:22.160 this very, and he was, he was very strict. You got to get the job done. But he also let us be kids.
00:31:28.440 Like we laughed and we danced and we snuck down to the thing and tried to order, remember when we
00:31:34.720 tried to order that drink and Erica was like, is there alcohol in that? And it got taken. We're
00:31:39.520 holding it. And they took it right from in front of you. But he never, like he knew that we would,
00:31:46.520 you know we never did anything bad but he let us he let us have a good time and then you knew when
00:31:54.600 you had to work and i think as a teacher maybe as a parent definitely as a coach that balance
00:32:01.720 is magic if you can figure out a balance with anybody in your life to be perfectly honest of
00:32:07.800 how to have a good time because that's essential how to form connection and bond and in a team
00:32:13.960 formation. And then, and then you snap your fingers and you're pushing that board up and
00:32:19.140 down the thing until you want to vomit. I would vomit like about half an hour before you would
00:32:25.280 even think about it. Here's the thing. When you start doing the boards, your quads would start
00:32:30.620 to hurt. That'd be the first thing that burned. And then by the time you got to the attack line,
00:32:34.580 the quads were burning. The more you would do, your hamstrings would burn and then your butt 0.97
00:32:39.680 would burn so at some point when you were on your break like when your partner was doing theirs 0.99
00:32:44.680 you couldn't sit because your ass hurt you'd have to lie down flat on your stomach because that's 0.98
00:32:50.440 the only way it didn't hurt pieces of your body oh my god you know and you think about the fact 0.99
00:32:57.740 that i have good memory of that is the weirdest i have memory like pushing up and down the boards
00:33:03.460 yeah but i actually would miss serves people would miss serves and then we'd have to if you
00:33:07.380 miss a serve and then we'd have to do more boards yeah I remember screaming at Will you're just gonna
00:33:12.200 make us do we're just gonna keep doing boards because we're too tired to serve the ball nobody 0.94
00:33:18.060 can lift up their arm anymore I'm like this is so counterintuitive this is so stupid I used to yell 0.99
00:33:26.400 at him this is so stupid this has nothing to do with volleyball again he never watched nothing to 0.99
00:33:32.980 do with volleyball what it did you know and what do you think like it okay so it trained you it 0.99
00:33:38.120 did whatever it was none none of that was important i think the reason why he made us do them is it
00:33:44.160 was to do a hard thing as a team that sucked together i honestly think that was the reason
00:33:49.680 i think you did a hard thing as a team i don't think it helped my jump i don't think it helped
00:33:54.680 anything else i think we all collectively had to do it i also like the fact if you messed up we all
00:34:01.040 did it. If I messed up, we all did it. Meaning you're a team. You, you, you cheer as a team,
00:34:07.340 you celebrate as a team and you take the freaking hits as a team. And that's like such an incredible 0.55
00:34:14.340 lesson because it, I watch kids, you know, obviously I coach and stuff like that, but
00:34:18.820 the quickness to blame other people on that court, that's my failure as a coach. I think
00:34:25.860 like that's the number one thing is to figure out you go out there you win as a team you lose as a
00:34:32.240 team I don't want to hear anything else you you guys can yell at each other you do it behind
00:34:36.520 closed doors where nobody else ever sees you but when you're together that's the thing you have to
00:34:42.260 be as a collective yeah right and so yeah I think I think that those lessons those lessons I mean
00:34:51.200 outside i'm pretty sure my back hurts forever boards and now my shoulder that's why you don't
00:34:57.100 you shouldn't have been doing them she just rolled over rolled over in the field position on the side
00:35:03.180 she got out of she would just lie down she just lie down flat i'm not gonna do it she i'd be like 0.86
00:35:09.360 this is stupid i'm not doing this finally you'd be like forget it everyone's in the change room 0.77
00:35:15.080 i remember i remember when when we first got pulled up so we were playing on the same team 0.98
00:35:19.660 with like lisa and joanne and those players were just like yeah they were goddesses yeah truly
00:35:24.900 goddesses like so good and i sat on the bench like so when i we both got pulled up you played
00:35:31.320 at the tail end and then we both got pulled up that year but you played and i pretty much sat
00:35:35.780 on the bench right next to will or maybe one down from will oh yeah just in case he would throw a
00:35:41.460 chair but come lassa he would put me into serve yeah right so come lassa but you don't want to
00:35:48.160 mess that up. So you're on the, you got to know you're sitting on the bench. And the only reason
00:35:53.380 he's put you in is to have that hard flow, you know? And he, Gord had this awesome thing too,
00:35:59.880 where he held up the clipboard, right? So only your team could see it. And he'd tell you where
00:36:04.420 to serve. He'd point. It was like Babe Ruth up in here. I'm like, look, and he'd point. He'd say,
00:36:09.680 serve to one or serve to five or whatever. And so you'd look over at him. Now I'm starting to
00:36:15.120 sweat even thinking about it, but you look over at him, he'd give you whatever bat signal and then
00:36:19.400 you'd have to put the ball where it was going. And I remember thinking like the only thing that
00:36:24.340 mattered to me in the world was that. And that's, what's also impressive about sport.
00:36:30.220 You can focus. You don't have time to worry about anything else. If your head is somewhere else,
00:36:35.760 you get hit in the face with a ball. You can't. So I wonder too, if that's something that athletes
00:36:43.140 get that other people don't get. I mean, maybe other people get it in different ways. Maybe
00:36:47.660 musicians get it. I've never been a musician. Maybe they get it in a different, but I think
00:36:51.380 when you're playing a sport, especially a team sport, right, where it's, where it's very reactive,
00:36:58.420 you don't, you have to shut off everything else. Or I don't even think you choose to.
00:37:02.040 Everything else gets shut off. And there's a simplicity and a calm to that, that when I start
00:37:08.620 thinking about mental health struggles or i start thinking about kids that go through anxiety and
00:37:13.440 stuff like that i mean we never talked about anxiety when you're kids right but we just we
00:37:19.080 shut up we had it but we just of course we had it when you talk when you talk to kids now i'm
00:37:24.980 astounded like when you we talk as adults and you're like oh yeah this is what was going on 0.64
00:37:29.680 with me i'm like what we never talked yeah nobody ever talked about anything bad no we just you
00:37:36.440 know whether it was the volleyball court or not but i think there is something about
00:37:40.760 shutting that piece of your brain off and i don't know there's a lot of sports where
00:37:49.520 you you wouldn't like running you you're a bit of a runner right you like to um yep seems horrible 0.81
00:37:54.940 but yeah it seems that's a lot of time to think when you're running and then that's but that's
00:38:00.220 why a lot of people run you either run or you don't like there's no in between i don't you're
00:38:05.200 other, and yeah, you're either a runner or you're not. But you can spend a lot of time in your head.
00:38:09.960 That's why I'll go for a run. Yeah. So I just need to think I'm just going to go for a run.
00:38:13.960 And that's amazing. But that's where volleyball, you don't, you don't go play volleyball to think
00:38:18.120 you don't have time. Right. So it's this very cool shutoff mechanism that I think
00:38:23.300 a lot of kids don't have. And I think part of the problem is too, you know, luckily enough,
00:38:29.940 we loved volleyball, which was like a staple sport. I think some kids, if they're just not
00:38:34.760 good at it, right. You're not good at basketball. You're not good at volleyball, whatever.
00:38:40.340 But you need something, you need an outlet. Right. And I think that's what, like, if you want to
00:38:45.920 labelize it, like, so now, so back then you didn't know what you needed. Right. And it was so good
00:38:51.100 for us to be able to have that outlet. But now we know that if, you know, kids these days don't
00:38:57.300 have an outlet of anything whether it's sports whether it's art whether it's public speaking or
00:39:03.100 you know like whatever whatever it is how many kids have an outlet of public speaking sorry
00:39:07.580 it's not public speaking so maybe they just do I don't know maybe they work on podcasts like I
00:39:12.580 don't know like maybe this is their outlet like media is their outlet something you you need
00:39:18.480 something other than school for example like you need something other than school to focus on and
00:39:24.160 other than your friends, your relationships, I feel, because you need, so whether it's for
00:39:29.340 yourself or for a team and whatever it is, right, just have like another focus and something just
00:39:36.220 for yourself. How much of your confidence and your self-identity do you think came from that?
00:39:43.180 From being good at it and being on that team? A lot, for sure. Like just being involved in
00:39:48.920 team sports teach you so much. It teaches you. But that team for you. But that team for me?
00:39:53.780 that team for you, do you like, if let's say I pulled it away and you didn't have it,
00:39:59.360 what I'm asking is, because honestly, I look back at that moment, I look back at that team
00:40:03.780 and, and, you know, the, everything, every piece that we've talked about that I, that I got from
00:40:11.240 it. And I, and I think, I don't think I would be even 50% as confident, or I would have had
00:40:21.860 to struggle a lot more in a lot different ways to be able to have that as it pertains to
00:40:29.500 everything like that team gave me confidence to not care about you know boyfriends well that
00:40:37.400 might have been a different play that might have been a different thing when we reconnected I'm
00:40:43.180 like oh okay so um who knew different who knew who knew but yeah I think that but I wouldn't
00:40:51.380 have had the confidence to like even think about playing a varsity sport at university level but
00:40:57.940 do you think it made you go into because I know you're very successful in your career I know you're
00:41:02.260 successful academically do you think that it built for me I feel like it built something
00:41:08.600 that I didn't even know that I needed foundationally that made me walk into a biology
00:41:15.840 classroom with a bit of a pop caller already that the two have nothing to do with each other
00:41:20.480 Would you understand what I mean? No, for sure. No, you absolutely, you get, I got, I had a lot
00:41:25.120 of confidence for that. And then I think it's even what I talked about before is like, you have
00:41:30.320 different groups of people and you have your people. These are your, this is what you learn
00:41:35.140 too. You can have your people. It doesn't necessarily have to be the same person. It
00:41:39.520 doesn't have to be one person. Right. Like that's what I learned. You can build relationships with
00:41:45.060 people that you would have no I like you wouldn't pick out of a crowd to be your friend for example
00:41:51.220 right I would have the confidence to go up and to start a conversation with somebody else because
00:41:56.700 maybe I saw them holding a volleyball or like I saw them doing something that I thought was
00:42:00.380 interesting or just ask them a question about their life it's so true when I think of like
00:42:04.580 and and again like we've been out of high school since 94 and I could still call easily six people
00:42:11.760 from that team. Yeah. Like you, like I called Sally. I texted Sally. I haven't chatted with
00:42:17.100 her forever. And then I just texted her. I said, uh, I need you to do a podcast. She's like,
00:42:21.300 why? Yeah. Can you drive in my school? We, it's not like we talk every day or anything,
00:42:24.800 but there's a bond that exists there that is insurmountable. And it just comes back like that.
00:42:31.740 And I think that there's a, there's a foundation to that, but I think you're right. You and I,
00:42:38.460 I, in high school,
00:42:40.440 Sally and I wouldn't have hung out in any other social circumstance.
00:42:44.960 You know what I mean?
00:42:45.900 No.
00:42:46.520 Uh, Cheryl and, and, uh, Shannon, they were younger.
00:42:49.920 I never would have hung out with them.
00:42:51.560 Colleen was younger still.
00:42:52.940 Like Lisa was older.
00:42:54.420 I wouldn't have hung.
00:42:55.740 None of those people.
00:42:56.840 But it didn't matter.
00:42:57.780 It would have been in my life in a significant way.
00:42:59.180 Because we all had that passion for volleyball together.
00:43:02.060 Right?
00:43:02.640 Yeah.
00:43:02.800 So, so to be honest.
00:43:03.960 Yeah.
00:43:04.160 So if you're like what you get from that,
00:43:06.020 I also played basketball as well.
00:43:07.640 we were pretty successful successful i was horrible as well i sat on the bench so so i was
00:43:13.900 a bench warmer like most of the time with basketball too i would get in but we had a really
00:43:19.540 good team we made it to us as well too right so um mr kennett yeah but again yeah he didn't like
00:43:25.640 me oh my god so so i was on a successful basketball team too where again volleyball was more my sport
00:43:32.960 than basketball, but I formed relationships with people on that team too. Same kind of thing,
00:43:39.260 right? Like some of the people I would have never chatted with, like if I didn't play basketball
00:43:44.380 with them and we loved basketball too. It was the same kind of thing, right? Okay. But volleyball
00:43:48.080 was better. So die. Okay. Volleyball. Well, of course, because, well, I played volleyball in 1.00
00:43:51.740 university, but, but no, like you just, again, like you just have that bond with people just
00:43:57.700 from being on that team of people that you wouldn't even talk to outside of that sport,
00:44:02.360 for example. And that gives you confidence too, right? And it gives you a purpose.
00:44:07.320 There it is. That's something that I think that a lot of times you try to boil it down to what
00:44:13.940 does it do? And I honestly think that a lot of the stuff that we go through and a lot of the
00:44:19.740 insecurities or a lot of sometimes mental health crisis, or sometimes feeling lost and insecure,
00:44:25.260 what every human being on this planet needs from frigging as two years old up is a sense of
00:44:33.100 purpose. And if you feel like you have a sense of purpose, no matter what that is, you, you will
00:44:39.740 feel useful. You will feel engaged. You will feel powerful. And if you feel those things that
00:44:46.780 translates to everything else. So as soon as you can find that, as soon as you can, it's not
00:44:53.500 something you you can say oh go do that and whatever but if you can get kids to try this
00:44:58.760 then try this then try this go you'll figure it out you'll feel that but you know this with your
00:45:03.840 kids if you if you can see them have a purpose they stand up taller right they walk into every
00:45:12.500 room more confidently and they're not as easily pushed over by the waves let's say of life that
00:45:20.780 can push people over so much yeah so I think you're that's it that's it it's about purpose
00:45:26.560 and I and I think what's beautiful and I've always said this about a team sport
00:45:30.080 is that I still believe that humans people you find purpose for the most part together I don't
00:45:39.520 I don't think singular purpose you know what I mean like I don't think of this an isolationist
00:45:44.760 viewpoint, I think that we are bound and we are driven and we feel more connected and more powerful
00:45:52.500 when we have purpose together. And so I think that, you know, that's what sport can do.
00:45:58.080 That's what sport can do. Guys, this has been amazing. I am going to go get a board.
00:46:03.380 Oh my God. We've been talking for 45 minutes. I said there's no way we're going to be talking.
00:46:06.840 I'm going to give Sally the board and I'm just going to have her push it up and down.
00:46:11.480 No, I'm not going to do it.
00:46:12.340 Just for the end of the podcast. 0.99
00:46:14.300 No, let's watch Joanna do the board up and down. 1.00
00:46:17.400 And you go attack line, baseline, middle line, baseline, 0.97
00:46:21.160 other attack line, baseline, other baseline, baseline.
00:46:24.220 Just do it.
00:46:25.100 Do it for the folks at home.
00:46:26.320 This is how it's done.
00:46:26.920 Perimenopause, my bad shoulder.
00:46:29.240 This is how it's done.
00:46:30.700 Okay, I'll do it on a TikTok, guys.
00:46:32.640 Thanks so much for hanging out with Saley Peel.
00:46:34.500 Thank you so much for coming and hanging out with me.
00:46:37.660 And for everybody on here,
00:46:39.840 I'll see you next week and another chapter of the book. Same bat time, 1.00
00:46:44.740 same bat channel. Have a good night guys.