00:08:48.880And if Ford doesn't want to get their act right, all of those gays, we're all going to become gay because everybody's being, you know, convinced of it in kindergarten nowadays.0.98
00:09:17.680you can have navy or you can have the pride flag it's one of the three i think i think we have to
00:09:23.040call ford i i honestly think we need a manager yeah we need this is the brand deal that nobody
00:09:29.840knew we needed no one knew we needed no one asked for but it'll be asked for we really need it and
00:09:36.480i think um why why hasn't any other car dealership done that that's the question well because all of
00:09:43.520they they come out in june though every car dealership every every brand they're like we've0.89
00:09:49.280loved the gays oh my god we'd love them except chick-fil-a who's like we tolerate the fact gay0.88
00:09:55.760people exist in this world kind of like a little bit we're fine i i'm just gonna go hang out if i0.99
00:10:05.520wasn't you know old and tired all the time i would if i was a teenager i would just and gay i would
00:10:11.680just hang out at chick-fil-a and make it with my girlfriend all day that's all i do every day but
00:10:16.560the thing is people that work for chick-fil-a aren't asses it's just the company it's just the
00:10:21.520owners right no exactly no it's just the owners and then like that's fine i just just the owners
00:10:27.360but like everybody's like joanna people get really upset with me when i shop at home depot0.93
00:10:32.480and i'm like well isn't that where the lesbians are supposed to come and then they'll be like yeah0.64
00:10:36.160they supported trump and they're horrible and i'm like guys if i if i didn't buy things at places0.94
00:10:43.840that weren't gay friendly i only can buy what a subaru obviously yeah obviously and and0.96
00:10:52.480what where do i get my groceries because i i don't think there's a single grocery store that said yay
00:11:00.400gays no and joanna like honestly i i feel like your friends are holding you to a higher standard
00:11:06.400because you would need to buy a ford f-150 to go hunt your own food and then cut down your
00:11:11.840own trees for lumber listen exactly true like what am i supposed everybody was so upset when
00:11:17.440i did those videos they're like do you know who disney is i said yeah yeah they're a corporation
00:11:24.400who wants to make money are we holding all because at the end of the day they all blow
00:11:29.120but at least you know and i and then every and then another thing would come out about disney
00:11:33.360and now they're standing against ronda santis thank heaven which i love ronda santos's plan
00:11:38.720though i love how he's like ordering back at disney good luck and punishing the taxpayers instead
00:11:45.040what is wrong look there is nothing more brilliant i just had this lovely conversation i was at the
00:11:53.120them all today um uh oh first of all can you see my uh my hat look at this this is a big league
00:11:59.000chew patch i love that they did a they did a uh whatever a collaboration with thing and i've been
00:12:06.840looking all over toronto trying to find a hat anyways i go in there and a lady was like i love
00:12:11.560your tiktoks we were talking about politics and i said i said what's getting really upsetting
00:12:16.420is it's so polarized it's such in such strong opposition that there is it's just going to be
00:12:26.980mass casualties there you you can't you can't figure out how to even bridge the gap all we're
00:12:38.580going to do is divide is and both sides are doing this is divide like i watched i don't know did you
00:12:43.920watch any of the Doug Ford debate heaven forbid no I actually I the one thing I did which I
00:12:51.000I just needed a break from Doug Ford that's fair it's absolutely I just didn't I couldn't watch him0.99
00:12:57.280my problem is is that liberals and NDP are still so stupid as to that's very true attack each other1.00
00:13:07.500yeah um and and diminish each other yeah and not say what really needs to be said1.00
00:13:16.160um not just not simply just talk about politics now i understand the the main contention is
00:13:23.080well if we don't bring each other down the liberals don't win in the right ridings if
00:13:28.360the liberals don't win in the right ridings the ndp wins i mean the conservatives win a plurality
00:13:33.080i think it's about i i'm not gonna lie i think we're getting to the time where the ndp and the
00:13:38.920liberals need to merge oh yeah that's the thing though and this is the one thing i find very
00:13:44.600interesting about canada um or at least the ndp and the the democrat or democrats uh liberals
00:13:52.680is the fact that i find it very interesting i find it very weird that they both argue and
00:14:00.360openly insult each other publicly and then cause such a discourse between them when they're
00:14:06.680i mean their plans aren't so different they can't find middle ground and all they do is splinter the
00:14:13.480left exactly that's the thing it's like it ends up like we end up becoming very close to a
00:14:21.080conservative majority because it's a splintered left we don't have the majority we're a minority
00:14:27.240party and it's like it's interesting because if they just sat down and figured out the middle
00:14:31.840ground to both of their platforms we'd be a lot better off but now we have like a new wave of
00:14:39.800conservatism happening as well here which people are like oh will never happen in canada we'll
00:14:45.080never get there here we are we will we're we're getting there we have these like very very right
00:14:51.420wing sort of like Trumpian style political figures popping up in Canada that have a considerable
00:14:58.640amount of traction behind them which means that that sentiment those feelings are here already
00:15:03.900and have been for a while and I would I'd be interested to see what would happen if we could
00:15:09.240just get the two left parties to find middle ground and be able to like
00:15:15.300have any sort of lasting change yeah you know and it's funny i i would do it and if if i was in
00:15:24.240you know uh in either of those parties i would make it very clear i would make it very obvious
00:15:31.300i would say listen for too long we have splintered ideals and and um and allowed the right because at
00:15:41.000end of the day i don't think the conservatives ever win again if you amalgamate the left
00:15:48.360i don't think they ever win again um maybe they do and and if they do then we're in a different
00:15:55.800we're in a different position than i thought we were but then at least you're right because when
00:16:00.520there was the reform in the conservatives right they were splintering their own vote they knew it
00:16:05.240they knew it was a disaster um and that's what the liberals and the ndp have been doing forever
00:16:11.000Absolutely forever. And we're at a point now, I think, where I wish federal politics would admit this and provincial. Our control, our sovereign control over what goes on inside our borders is less and less and less.
00:16:29.440because the more we depend on each other's economies, the more that we travel, the more
00:16:38.160that we share information, the more that obviously viruses can go from A to B. All of this is proving
00:16:44.080a very real point, which is you are not an isolationist country. You never will be an
00:16:51.380isolationist country, which means your power to control what goes on inside your own nation
00:16:57.080is limited figure out where that because everybody's pissed at trudeau still about the whole
00:17:04.080um crossing borders yada yada yada but the u.s still has that rule right exactly so now what
00:17:11.240we make our own rules for who like who are we making those rules for because the united states
00:17:18.920has said well we're not doing it and i just think it's time and going back to because i want us to
00:17:25.780we don't need to be all serious today because we want to talk about, you know,
00:17:29.820I think it's just an important conversation to have because it's such a relevant one for right
00:17:35.060now. And I think we spend so much time looking across the border at sort of the, um, the States
00:17:41.420and kind of being horrified of what's happening there that we tend to be distracted for what's
00:17:47.020happening here as well. And I'm so guilty of that as well. And because I do find, um, American
00:17:52.880politics a lot more uh colorful and and easier to follow i do find the canadian um parliamentary
00:18:01.600system and political system a little bit boring and a little bit bleak but that also then separates
00:18:10.560me from what's happening and then i kind of having to like come back in and do a lot of research to
00:18:14.960figure out what's going on my own country because i'm so terrified of what's happening across the
00:18:19.040the border. Absolutely. I mean, everybody's talking about again, if Americans are listening
00:18:24.780right now, we have every province has a provincial premier, which is like your governor. And a very
00:18:30.780special guy named Jason Kenney has been running Alberta for quite some for a little bit. And he's
00:18:36.280resigning. And everybody's like, yay, he's resigning. But what people don't understand,
00:18:41.220it's because he's not right enough. So there's a right-wing contingent within Alberta called
00:18:49.620the Wild Rose Party that is saying, you're not right-wing enough. That's why you don't have our
00:18:55.900support. And this is a guy that's changing school curriculum to make it nicer because he doesn't
00:19:03.180think kids should learn about the negative aspects of Canadian history. This is a guy that would love
00:19:08.960to and makes it very difficult to get abortions in alberta this is a guy who believes that
00:19:14.800religion should have a much more dominant role he is very right-wing so the fact that he's
00:19:20.400resigning everybody's like yay and i'm like i don't think this is the victory we think it is
00:19:27.200who's going to take his place well that's the scariest part though if these people
00:19:34.400like he's a very good um he's a very good example of this if he is not right in a right winged
00:19:42.640enough for the like i'm pretty sure he compared the the gay pride flag to the nazi germany flag
00:19:51.760is that that's him right back in like yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like i'd have to look that up but
00:19:58.800yeah like i'm pretty sure that that was one of the things he said um but like if that's not right
00:20:05.980enough for people if that is something that um we like there's a certain sect of people in canada
00:20:12.800who believe this and and are have won a political seat and have power and they're being pushed out
00:20:22.520of the party or out of leadership because they're not they no longer represent the values of the
00:20:28.560people that they that elected him that's terrifying because those people have shifted so far right
00:20:33.920um that what kind of person or what kind of politician will make them happy and what is
00:20:41.420their end goal and that is always kind of what i'm i'm very nervous about because you you get
00:20:49.640these people that you're horrified by like you and i are horrified by him like a lot of his ideals a
00:20:54.800of his the kind of political measures he's taken like really unnerved me because i'm like wow
00:21:01.520people back him on this and he's able to actually have change but when he is openly admitting that
00:21:08.480he is no longer he no longer represents the the value the the values and um the morals of his
00:21:15.280constituency and there needs to be somebody else i'm like what what do you mean someone else like
00:21:22.640is this not enough like this is already so far outside of the comfort zone of what we would
00:21:27.920classify as a canadian uh political um ideal yeah that like like the fact that he i don't know it's
00:21:36.480terrifying to me they're throwing back to the words i you know they're starting to use the
00:21:40.960word social conservative so right back in the brian mulroney days you talk about a fiscal
00:21:47.120conservative right he wants to save money or she wants to save money and it's all about bottom
00:21:51.760lines and blah, blah, blah, even though that really never works out, but whatever. They talk
00:21:57.100about money a lot, but then they talk about socially, they still want to be progressive.
00:22:01.700Well, this whole new group that they're calling social conservatives is a very nice way of saying
00:22:07.700religiously based, religiously fundamentalist, and religiously driven to the point of wanting
00:22:17.180a throwback to a traditional way of life. And I think here's the problem. You have a guy or a
00:22:25.760girl, doesn't seem to matter. You have an individual at the leadership of a party that
00:22:30.060wants to be extreme. And they say this, our life sucks right now, right guys? And everybody's like,
00:22:35.620yeah, it sucks. Gas is really expensive. My job, inflation, you know, trying to get my schools are0.86
00:22:43.460hard, everything seems to be harder right now. And then you have a guy standing at the front
00:22:48.060of the room saying, I'm going to make it better. Because you know what, it was better than whatever,
00:22:54.880whatever bullshit, then they're making up it was better than but you got it, you got to follow me.0.98
00:22:59.980And I'm going to make your world safer. And I'm going to make it more like safer physically,0.99
00:23:06.180safer financially, safer socially, so that you can be exactly who you want to be. And you can
00:23:12.620stop apologizing for being who you are. And I'm going to create that bubble for you. And then
00:23:19.080when it doesn't work, because it's ridiculous, because those aren't the indicators, it's not
00:23:24.380because I failed. It's because I didn't push far enough. That's why. It's because I didn't go far
00:23:33.680enough. It's because we didn't take gay out of schools yet like they've done in Florida. It's1.00
00:23:38.980because we haven't, you know, um, sort of allowed for religion to, to come back into our public
00:23:48.580system. You know, back in the day, kids used to say the Lord's prayer every morning. Why did that
00:23:53.860stop? What's the problem? Well, and Canada still has a majority of Judeo-Christian population
00:24:01.560who outside of Toronto, because we live in Toronto, like this little microcosm as though0.96
00:24:06.820it's the rest of canada and we feel as though that's and it's just not right and then the more
00:24:14.080you see these things going on in the united states about roe versus wade and about being gay or about
00:24:20.760being trans or whatever their their fight is you start to hear politicians here start to parrot
00:24:31.020exactly asinony yeah structures belief struck and all under the illusion all under the guys
00:24:37.820that don't worry your life is going to get better your world is going to get better just listen to
00:24:45.340me let me take the helm let me take the direction you know what i'm saying and that's it and the
00:24:53.180more extreme they get the more people flock well exactly because what they end up doing is creating
00:24:59.100a common threat and a common goal is that this over here this wave of quote unquote socialism
00:25:07.900or like political correctness or wokeism um that is the the key to all of our problems
00:25:14.940so what we have to do is kind of go back way back and start again reform make america great again
00:25:23.340make canada great again get back to our like ideals and traditions and old like time values
00:25:31.580and then that will make it better because we'll all be okay again and all of this other stuff that1.00
00:25:37.100we're currently talking about these um invisible invisible minorities they're causing problems0.99
00:25:44.060they're causing us to distract from making the country great we're making us ashamed of being0.76
00:25:51.580um canadian or american or whatever um christian uh and it's it's interesting because what's
00:25:58.940happening now and with the the um kind of anti-gay sentiment and like the horrific amount of uh
00:26:07.980state laws that have popped up against anti like against abortion in this kind of like period
00:26:13.420between the supreme court actually officially overturning roe v wade it's it's turning more
00:26:22.860into the republican party of the united states becoming a theocracy than anything else and that
00:26:29.740is the scariest part because what and everyone should be kind of terror actually should not be
00:26:35.580kind of terrified actually terrified because no one's rights are safe because right now
00:26:41.900if we're gonna i think you said this in your in your uh tick tock if we're gonna trace it back
00:26:48.380to the constitution and be originalist and then make sure that all of our laws and all of that
00:26:53.420stuff we have some major problems to deal with and i don't understand how people are not talking
00:26:59.900more about this and like on both sides the the um the aisle because yeah no it's just it's it's
00:27:08.460terrifying to me it's horror and like just like the the people that come on me those talk shows
00:27:14.780and speak like the pulpits and they're going like we need to protect um the fetus and there's no
00:27:22.780conversation over here about the mother or like or the woman it's terrifying to me that they can
00:27:30.140completely divorce themselves of cause and effect but they make it they make it so singular and
00:27:40.060and when you when you boil down the reality is of any politician ever any politician that says
00:27:46.700they have a black and white answer they're lying let's be real clear any person whatever your
00:27:55.100political anybody that says i have the answer the only answer i have the the answer to solve that
00:28:02.220problem they're lying they're dumbing it down they're oversimplifying it so that you can do
00:28:10.700one thing and attack that one problem make it seem as though you're going to be effective
00:28:16.060and not be honest with the reality that this world is filled with intersectionalities
00:28:23.020and, you know, problems upon problems that mitigate,
00:28:29.400that build the foundation for another problem.
00:39:21.540It's about manipulation of fact. And it's about understanding and manipulating the law so that you can have procedure and whatever work in your favor at whatever given moment. And all of that takes money and all of that takes time and expertise. And then you associate it with money.
00:39:42.560and as soon as you do that as soon as you do that and we start saying why our legal system
00:39:48.940is so important it's it's evaporated it's absolutely evaporated you know and so a lot
00:39:57.180of people like yeah but martha stewart went to jail are you joe martha stewart went to a country
00:40:02.000club with bars and she made she makes more money now yeah then she and when she was in prison in1.00
00:40:09.940fact i believe she started making more money because rich people with a a charisma or a0.76
00:40:16.900character they still get to use even prison as being something that's going to enrich their1.00
00:40:25.580lives further down the road rather than the opposite right martha stewart never had to
00:40:30.080worry about getting a job when she got out they talk about democracy like it's so one-dimensional
00:40:41.920right it's just like everything else well our rights to vote like it's the only aspect of a
00:40:47.340democracy and it's just not but i think it's really interesting that like like i think this
00:40:52.800is a spectrum of like the criminal justice system and making kind of a larger conversation about it
00:40:57.740But like people do the crime and then they like they pay for it, like through our legal system, if it's done correctly. And I'm only I'm only stating this in a way where like everything worked out, like everyone did their job effectively.
00:41:12.500you're punished perfectly then we're saying um not punished perfectly like the the crime the
00:41:21.380punishment or the incarceration fits the crime they've done um but i think once they release
00:41:27.960we continue punishing these people these people as individuals exactly we have to have them
00:41:33.940disclose it on on applications like there's only i think there's only two states that have no
00:41:41.880disenfranchisement and i believe it's maine and vermont which i think is hilarious and then of
00:41:47.000course the district of columbia but like everywhere else like yes it can end after release yes there's
00:41:53.880other ones who ends after probation but and there's other ones that are like petitioned by the court
00:41:58.440and there's also other ones that have no one no um uh there's no pope of a vote again but
00:42:05.960i think it's interesting we look at restitution and criminal justice reform and people
00:42:11.880wanting to have more measures to make sure we can integrate um these individuals back into society
00:42:17.480that make them not kind of double back into what's comfortable or what's easy which is a life of
00:42:23.000crime um so they don't reoffend we don't want to spend the money on that sure of course we just
00:42:29.400want to punish them and be like well you did this thing um for the the myriad of different reasons
00:42:35.640um that you did it that your upbringing or your financial status or your social economic background
00:42:41.880or your family, or any of these other things, just a mistake you made as a youth, but then
00:42:47.80015, 20 years later, we're going to be like, you learned nothing, and therefore we're going to
00:42:52.780continue punishing you for this crime until the day that you die, and that's sort of like where
00:42:57.640I have a problem with that, like there are certain crimes, I believe, exactly, there are certain
00:43:02.980crimes that I believe like one, there's a little bit more of a nuanced conversation over, but like
00:43:11.200for petty crimes i'm like but the nuanced conversation and you know we're gonna we're
00:43:16.640gonna talk about i love everybody everybody's like paul bernardo if i could kill him i would okay
00:43:21.120yeah that person is a therapist living in france i can't i it's so terrifying paul bernardo
00:43:33.000using him as the example, okay? If you don't believe he can reform, you don't ever let him
00:43:44.880out. That's the only option. The option isn't let him out and then screw him over for the rest of
00:43:52.820his life. Now, do I believe Paul Bernardo should be in prison forever? Yes. I think psychiatric
00:43:57.400evaluation for people who are serial killers and serial rapists and and all of that go ham like
00:44:05.240that's it they should just be they should be there they but they they shouldn't be beat
00:44:10.680they shouldn't be we as soon as we start doing that we start to become the thing
00:44:16.360we're punishing against right but if a kid 21 years old steals a car0.97
00:44:20.920okay yeah let's say they steal anything over five thousand dollars is grand larceny you're screwed
00:44:31.560100 five cars and you turn and you're 21 and you go spend x amount of years in prison you get out
00:44:39.880you never ever get to have a legitimate job again because everybody and and every let's be honest
00:44:46.600to you're gonna look at a you're in charge of hiring you have a stack of resumes over here
00:44:51.320you're flipping through oh look they graduated from here oh look oh look oh he stole seven cars
00:44:57.000no i mean that's that's even like it's whether it's common sense or not it is human nature to
00:45:05.000divide that way but i know a lot of people with a lot of money and i'm telling you right now if they
00:45:12.280all were followed 24 7 they'd all be spending a little bit of time in jail exactly um we talk
00:45:19.000about this like it's not are you we're half the political system the president of the united's
00:45:25.640former president united states should be spending time in prison there's no there's no question
00:45:32.280whether you're talking about his financial issues whether you're talking about january 6th
00:45:36.360whether you're talking about the threats he made about overturn when he picks up the phone and
00:45:42.440calls florida and says you might want to take a look at that again or are you joking exactly
00:45:51.960you know and we wonder why nobody nobody has faith or confidence in our in our police force
00:45:59.000or our judicial system that's why yeah and that's the most i just want to make a correction
00:46:06.200she lives in salaberry de valley field in quebec with her husband and children that's right which1.00
00:46:13.320jamaica i think for a while and then she got married and then she moved back here0.56
00:46:18.840yes her full best life want to know why because she overturned she turned state's evidence against
00:46:24.440paul and she handed in the tapes that she had kept um in order to you know obviously for him
00:46:33.720to take the the brunt of it and the tapes proved beyond a reasonable doubt what he did and how he
00:46:39.080did it but most people would say her iq of it that's in like the 98th percentile or something
00:46:46.760insane and and people will say she was the mastermind oh yeah he was the person that
00:46:53.720manipulated she was the person that that did all of it and then just sat back and made sure her
00:46:59.880hands kept clean and as a metaphor as a metaphor i mean it really does apply to today right well
00:47:09.800i didn't i didn't touch him i gave away a nudge but it wasn't me nope didn't do a thing actually
00:47:18.520fun fact um i'm a huge law and order junkie i don't know if anybody knows that i'm a huge
00:47:23.640law and order junkie uh so like i love all of them but ellen pompeo from gray's anatomy actually
00:47:29.640played a version of carlo homoka on law and order an episode called fools for love you guys want to
00:47:35.400watch it it's season 10 episode 15. oh wait wait wait wait wait did you just look that up right
00:47:41.400now or is that in your memory memory stop it it is one of my favorite episodes because um
00:47:49.400you think that I when I first watched it the first half that I was like oh my god this person's a
00:47:54.780terrible actress and then I realized why she's playing a terror like she's acting terribly0.95
00:48:01.300to cover her crimes and at the end of it does a 180 and I'm like oh I oh my god and then she0.97
00:48:08.280ended up getting raised and actually she ended up getting a movie called Moonlit Mile which I think
00:48:11.460everyone should watch with Jake Gyllenhaal and Susan Sarandon that was Moonlit Mile
00:48:16.140or Moonlight Miles Ray it was um Susan Sarandon Dustin Hoffman Jake Gyllenhaal and Ellen Pompeo
00:48:24.340was her like kind of like coming uh her like first big movie it was about the fact that
00:48:29.940Jake Gyllenhaal was going to marry um the daughter of Susan Sarandon and Dustin Hoffman but she got
00:48:36.340murdered in a shootout in a in a uh I think it was a deli anyway he meets Ellen Pompeo who plays the
00:48:44.560uh the person who works at the the um the post office and he kind of falls in love with her
00:48:50.240it's a really really great movie but that's the movie that Shonda Rhimes who created Grey's Anatomy
00:48:54.760saw her in and then was like I would wish I wish we could get that girl and finally someone was
00:49:00.580like I think we can though like she's not that big you can have her for 16 seasons you can have
00:49:07.840her for 15 good seasons and an extra three or four of whatever you want to do with the story
00:49:13.040you want but yeah like if you ever want to see a really good episode of uh law and order that's
00:49:18.200based off if all of our american uh all your american followers is um yeah season 10 episode0.65
00:49:24.88015 fools and uh fools nobody knows no yeah if you're american you're listening i'll give you0.71
00:49:29.820a bit of background you guys can go look up creepy the you know extra footage of it but0.99
00:49:34.680um canada for a very long time in ontario had a serial rapist for about i don't know years and
00:49:42.180years and years i he admitted to 13 i think but i i would expect there was many more and then it was
00:49:48.600when i was in high school so in the 90s um girls uh two girls went missing um and later it was found
00:49:58.120out it was paul bernardo and he had a partner in crime which was carla homoka and they lured in
00:50:03.960young girls um and then they did horrible things to them and then they killed them and cut them up
00:50:09.260and threw them in the river near Brock University. Now, all of that being said, when they get
00:50:16.520arrested for this, and he admits to being the Scarborough rapist, which was his infamous title,
00:50:23.340Carla Homolka, who had planned the whole thing, and by the way, one of the people was her sister
00:50:27.680that they actually abducted, she turned state's evidence and said, oh, no, he was this horrible
00:50:32.500guy here's the tape so they cut her a deal and she got out in 12 years and he will be there
00:50:39.860well till he dies i'm assuming yeah yeah and i mean that story was terrible when i was a kid it
00:50:46.420was like that was like the freddie nightmare on elm street story because one of the kids
00:50:52.580was coming home i can't remember which what what her name was um it was either leslie mahalfi or
00:50:58.420Kristen French when she was coming home she was coming home late and um her mom was getting mad
00:51:10.820at her for breaking curfew so she came home late one night and the mom had locked the door
00:51:17.300and so the kid went and so the kid took off and went to try to find somewhere else to be because
00:51:24.420she knew she was in trouble with her mom and then that's the night she got taken i mean it's just
00:51:30.100like that was the urban legend my mom never locked the door since no never and that was the interesting
00:51:36.740oh god it was just i remember um because i that was like 1987 to 1990 so i was three years old um
00:51:44.580but i remember reading the the biography on it um when i was in my teens my parents were very
00:51:53.860good without censoring my sister and i of what we read and what we watched but they always were like
00:51:57.860if you what we'll talk about it after yeah i'm reading it so it was a i'm a voracious reader
00:52:03.220but um i remember talking about this with my parents about their experiences kind of living
00:52:09.620around that area and being horrified that someone could do this to another human being
00:52:15.460no less like 15 20 people and then the three people or four people he killed
00:52:20.260um it was just insane absolutely insane i think you can get the book in canada you can't remember
00:52:27.460we banned it here we banned it yeah were they i'm sorry i'm gonna like they were called the school
00:52:33.180girl killers right like it was a scarborough rapist and the school girls i believe so yeah
00:52:38.260yeah i mean i remember him being the scarborough right because it wasn't so far i mean i grew up
00:52:43.080in whitby which is maybe about 20 minutes maybe from scarborough so it wasn't you know we're not
00:52:49.640talking about a great distance um but yeah i mean and people will use him as the example right they'll
00:52:56.840say or or you know carlo mocha they'll say well this is why we need to be tougher on
00:53:02.380and i the reality is once it's been done what are we doing here once it's done do i think he
00:53:11.780should be out walking around no no i don't think she should either but what are we doing at that
00:53:16.300point and and this is where it really gets into the whole what matters punishment or prevention
00:53:23.660because if we want to prevent this is where we have to flood money into we have to make
00:53:29.980child protective services the most highly educated highly paid highly useful organization on the
00:53:40.060planet 10 times the police force you want to make sure that kids don't grow up to be psychopaths
00:53:46.060make sure they don't grow up with psychopaths right you know you look at any serial killer
00:53:51.340outside of everybody else but you look at all those serial killers and how they were raised
00:53:55.420and how their mom thought they were dirty and chain them to the boiler as soon as they hear
00:53:59.100puberty and you wonder why they grew up to be john wayne gacy you want to fund you want to figure
00:54:05.820out what to do and how to stop it that's where you got to put your money where your mouth is and
00:54:09.580therein lies i think the biggest rift in politics the democrats or the left likes to talk about it
00:54:18.380but they really aren't putting their money where their mouth is i've never heard one democrat say
00:54:22.380what i've just said no not at all because we will talk about everything sort of after the fact right
00:54:30.140we talk about health concerns and childhood obesity and and rates of of of strokes and
00:54:37.740cardiac arrests in adults yet yet in grade nine you can drop drop gym yes we don't put our money
00:54:46.380where our mouth is right you want to put your money where your mouth is you have to change
00:54:52.540it fundamentally if you're going to change it fundamentally here's the problem it's about the
00:54:58.300voter too right because when i pour money into this you're not going to see its impact for 20 years
00:55:05.260no so there's the problem there's the disconnect between how do i elect a valid amazing leader who
00:55:14.620has great ideas but i know that those real ideas aren't going to be seen in their tenure even when
00:55:22.540you look at the president united states right you think of the first four years of the president can
00:55:26.780they do damage absolutely but when they start popping up their collar and saying i did great
00:55:31.260things in the economy dude listen it takes a minute right for either good or bad it takes a
00:55:38.220minute for the economy to really have a bit of a tidal wave from what's happened right and people
00:55:44.460keep trying to think well i'm gonna change everything in four years no you're not you're
00:55:48.860not even gonna come close right but what you can do and this is fine i always find interesting and
00:55:56.300the fact that you brought up the kind of the presidency is interesting because it's like
00:56:01.420I always like when there's a shift in kind of the guard and the Democrats take over the
00:56:06.900Republicans take over and all these things there's just a lot of retooling or reworking or stopping
00:56:14.260like infrastructure economic plans and it I always wonder where we would be
00:56:20.380if we didn't try and start from scratch every couple of years we were able to sort of build on
00:56:27.940and add a flavor to certain things like if there's already an economic spending plan and an
00:56:34.180economically comeback plan or or plan to combat all of these things you've mentioned what would
00:56:41.340happen if like five terms of presidents came in and didn't stop it but maybe molded it a little
00:56:50.300bit didn't end it didn't try and retool it but ended up just working on that and being like okay
00:56:57.120this is working i see what they were going with this but my expertise actually lends itself to
00:57:01.800this aspect of it instead of work working together and becoming a true bipartisanship we end up
00:57:08.160insulting one side of it being like they're trash they have no idea talking about nothing will get
00:57:13.060done and then the other person starts with like bringing everything back down to the floor level0.88
00:57:19.140like abolishing the foundation that was built and starting from scratch and then once again0.99
00:57:24.420we have someone else come in and go that person's a moron moron let's go this whole thing i think uh0.99
00:57:31.540i think they're always fighting for their job well exactly i'm always fighting for my job i1.00
00:57:37.940got to make sure that you always remember that the opposite whoever the opposite are are garbage0.95
00:57:43.060and if i don't do something to prove to you that they're garbage when i take office if i have the0.99
00:57:48.420intelligence even in the in the forethought to say you know what that one thing the republicans0.98
00:57:56.740did or the conservatives did i kind of like i think it was a good thing i'm screwed because
00:58:01.620what's gonna happen is the other side is going to use that to mobilize support and to say listen if
00:58:07.620she would have listened to us on the other things think about how far she knows we're good she knows
00:58:12.420were right and but that also comes down to the voter to some degree yes we got to stop being1.00
00:58:18.900stupid and i don't mean i mean i mean that in the true sense of the word not ignorant stupid we0.99
00:58:25.860purposefully all of us in some way shape or form want to hear somebody say don't worry i'm going1.00
00:58:33.300to take care of the environment but it's not going to cost you anything right don't worry the
00:58:37.900education system is going to get better, and I'm going to actually lower taxes. Don't worry,
00:58:44.300the Canadian economy is going to get better, even though we're relying on all foreign manufacturing.
00:58:50.660We will figure out a way to retool it and make sure all those people that worked for GM for the
00:58:55.720last 50 years now have a different kind of job making the same. Don't worry, I got it. We need
00:59:01.000to stop being stupid. And that's from everybody, right? That's from everybody. Now, the conservatives1.00
00:59:08.740in Canada wield it in a very particular way in which they say, you know, it's all about cutting
00:59:16.480the fat and don't worry, it's the gravy train and I'll tighten everybody's belt and we'll give you
00:59:20.960the same social services. And then I flip over to the NDP, who in Canada, just so my Americans
00:59:27.160understand is the very left of our spectrum and and they promise you everything under god's green earth
00:59:35.960well stop we we we can understand how that's silly0.95
00:59:42.360yeah we don't understand what the conservatives doing are equally silly exactly equally simplistic0.92
00:59:50.920and reductionist you know like at some point i was listening to jug meat who i0.90
00:59:55.640I liked listening to him. I felt like he was a very authentic guy say, we're going to get rid of1.00
01:00:02.440interest rate on student debt. Okay. I'm with you. Interest on student debt. I get you, Jagmeet.
01:00:10.160And then in five seconds, he said, no, you know what? We're going to get rid of all student debt.
01:00:14.120And I'm like, oh, for crying. Dude, you can't. Did you promise a new car with that plan? That's
01:00:22.160not that doesn't make sense and when you say it out loud like that everybody goes well now that
01:00:28.000sounds like you know a straight up bribe the conservatives bribe us slower you know with our
01:00:32.960little stickers we don't have to use anymore by the way do what we don't put a sticker on anymore
01:00:41.680no but we still have to register our license plate every year we just don't pay for it
01:00:49.760yeah what's the point is that is that so we have to pay our unpaid tickets probably yeah i was
01:00:56.400really excited i was never gonna have to pay the 407 again yeah no how are you getting my money
01:01:02.160it's it's what i find interesting about both parties is they and it's just political kind
01:01:06.640of fodder but they say these like big banner things like we're gonna erase student debt great
01:01:13.360well then where's that going where's the debt going um we're gonna you don't have to like
01:01:20.140pay for your car to be re-certified great what does that look like like what is the full measure
01:01:27.120and it's like we get stuck and it's again up to the voters to look look more in depth but it's
01:01:31.560also up for up to the politicians to explain the platform because like we had the same issue when
01:01:38.180it came to Joe, or not us, but like Joe Biden's exactly the same thing. He's going to erase
01:01:43.580student debt. Hasn't happened. Won't happen. It won't happen. It won't pass. But it's like,
01:01:49.180what was the plan there? You're going to erase trillions of dollars of student debt. I think
01:01:53.680it's a great plan. How are you going to do it? Because you're going to have people voting for
01:01:59.000you because of it. But how are you going to fulfill that thing with the, well, you're only
01:02:04.060the minority like you're basically just won the house by a couple of votes how are you going to
01:02:08.040do it i feel so frustrated by the whole thing like i think about i think about student debt and i
01:02:13.140think about going to university and all of that kind of stuff and then i think about where i live
01:02:16.840yeah and i think about all of my students right now my students most of them won't have to take
01:02:23.220any incur any debt so i'm going to separate those but the amount of kids that say things like
01:02:28.400like if you live in toronto again we have york university uft ryerson we have amazing colleges0.96
01:02:37.940we have like four major colleges all within toronto but these idiots say i'm gonna go to0.96
01:02:47.120western i'm gonna go to queens why not because there's a program that draws them there but0.99
01:02:53.240because they want to live away from their home not because their home life is awful
01:02:57.160They're just tired of being. And if you're going to make that choice and incur $25,000, $30,000
01:03:05.620of debt a year, because you don't want your mom bugging you anymore, I don't feel the need to
01:03:11.920have sympathy for that. Right. You know, what do I have sympathy for? I have sympathy for kids who
01:03:18.340live nowhere near a university, who want to get an education, who'd have no choice but to move
01:03:24.180to that place. Good. Let's have debt alleviation there. Right. You know, half the kids that were
01:03:30.920on OSAP at Western, it was hilarious because there's always ways around the system. We're
01:03:36.040driving BMWs to school. Why? Well, because they've lived away from home for two years. And if you've
01:03:42.300lived away from home for two years, you can apply for OSAP. For those who don't understand, OSAP is
01:03:46.440you borrow money from the Ontario government. You can use it for the duration of your education.
01:03:54.180and you don't get charged any interest over the four or five year span
01:03:59.780and six months after you start getting charged interest so if i have a boatload of money and
01:04:04.900i can invest free money for four years that's what these parents were doing with their kids
01:04:12.980that had all the money in the world yep they would take that money free money invest it
01:04:18.660not pay any interest pay it back a hundred percent because they always could and we wonder why the
01:04:27.640system is so screwed up we need to talk about those issues rather than well let's just give
01:04:34.540everybody everything is free nowadays you know what i'm saying yeah tuition's not that bad you
01:04:41.180can save up money for tuition in a summer i was like you can't work anymore and save up money
01:04:45.700well yeah yeah you can tuition seven grand yeah but also like there's other options as well if
01:04:52.900you don't want to pay tuition go to a foreign country germany offers a tuitionless uh free
01:04:59.900education system you pay the administrative fees for foreign students yep for international students
01:05:05.900um basically it's a free education system they will ask you probably to pay the administration
01:05:10.680cost depending on the person you go to the only thing you have to do they have certain if you
01:05:15.480need a visa a student visa to get there they you must prove that you can make 10 uh you have a
01:05:23.200budget of um 10 000 euros a year um which amounts to about 800 dollars in student living expenses
01:05:31.400and they don't want you on assistance programs they want you to be able to afford and live
01:05:34.600yourself if you can work and go to school at the same time great but i had no idea berlin stuttgart
01:05:41.720hamburg uh dresden uh czech republic also offers free university so it's like like these things
01:05:48.840again like if there are other options i just like there are there are different ways around it but
01:05:56.520again in canada i agree with you if you were if you were in toronto and you have all of these
01:06:02.360universities at your fingertips and you want to live abroad you want to live outside of the home
01:06:07.020and go um you don't want to be in your mom's house anymore exactly you don't want to be at home
01:06:12.160for a for a reason other than the fact that maybe it's a toxic environment sure that's a different
01:06:17.100conversation right exactly this is why everything is like a shade of gray well there you go you pay
01:06:25.060for that then because you would be paying for that anyway if you left the house and paid rent
01:06:29.320in your own place the only thing different is the fact that you are framing it under getting
01:06:34.600an education which you could get close to home absolutely so it's like there are options here i
01:06:41.600and i i don't think there should be trillions of dollars a student i don't think anyone should go
01:06:46.020bankrupt over wanting to get an education but i also don't think that the full scope of student
01:06:54.040debt should be wiped clean if part of that debt is you having living expenses well and it also
01:07:02.280can't be retroactive i i listen the the notion and i know i've taken up tons of your time today
01:07:07.800but the notion that we can go back and change i love this can we like stop for one second
01:07:15.320can we stop my pants give me like one second like uh after these messages stew is now taking i'm
01:07:46.200I don't drink liquid for hours before these podcasts just so I know I can go full all the way through.
01:07:51.000But I think going through, just as we're carrying on a little bit, I think the notion that you can go back and change contractual obligations that were made, however they were made, because I know in the States they were making lots of changes to those laws after the fact.
01:08:07.160I don't think that that is legal. I don't think the fact that that should be allowed. Once you've made a contractual obligation, you need to be able to stick to that contractual obligation. And that's it.
01:08:21.000That's the way it works. Now, if you want to take away interest rate on that, cool. But the money that you have paid because you wanted to live on your own because roommates bugged you when you went to university, that doesn't get to be on the taxpayer's dime. It really doesn't.
01:08:38.800And I just wish that more politicians would sit down and have bigger discussions, deeper discussions on the intricacies of policy and the way it plays out.
01:08:53.440The reason why they don't is because it then becomes incredibly difficult to pick and choose leaders and to siphon through all the information.
01:09:06.260it becomes as difficult as it should be to run a province or run a country
01:09:13.100and then democracy there he is i'm back sorry sitting here bursting i wish i played those
01:09:22.680little hot dogs or something you know like i should have had something on file ready to
01:09:27.460i'm on this like i love you said you weren't gonna drink me well i'm on this like gallon of water a
01:09:31.880day journey this hydration journey that i have i have burdened myself with um do i feel oh my god
01:09:38.980why i legitimately i'm not sure about you i'm sure you're a very healthy individual
01:09:44.860enough water i live off coffee i work in a industry in a job that is like feast or famine
01:09:52.380so like when it's it's dead it's dead like there is nothing to do i feel super confident i go to
01:09:58.020work and i'm like guys everything's under control but when there's like actual stuff to do and like
01:10:03.280it's like everything at once and i'm in a certain position where i have to solve a lot of problems
01:10:08.360so i don't drink a lot of water i drink coffee and like coffee like is like you cut me an espresso
01:10:13.340would come out but thick brown liquid and like legitimately i was in these headaches where i was
01:10:20.600like what is happening like why do we have headaches all the time only to realize like
01:10:24.680three days in to not drinking any water, I'd be like, what was last with any water?
01:10:29.380And then I would just shame gulp water in the light of the open fridge as I'm just guzzling
01:10:35.260water at an alarming rate. And then of course you're bloated, you feel gross, you're awful.0.99
01:10:40.900And then you're like, I hate water. You don't actually hate water. You hate the shame you feel
01:10:44.600because you think your organs are dying. So I bought a bottle, a jug of water, which I went
01:10:50.000from like zero to 300 at once and it has times on it where i 7am which is a lot and then to 9pm
01:10:56.980like i'm still drinking anything but wine at that time um that seems to tell it to me i'm not into
01:11:02.380it right me either i'd rather just be like i'd rather instead of like good morning have a nice0.98
01:11:07.060day i'd rather just say sip sip bitch every time like every marker would just be sip sip bitch0.97
01:11:14.840because none of this motivates me you just invent if i see one more tiktoker promote a water bottle0.98
01:11:22.380but i'm just i right now that's the water bottle like i've had people like okay will you do this
01:11:29.920ad or whatever i'm like listen guys you really don't want me companies don't like me i have way
01:11:34.820too much of a big mouth you're not gonna like it but if somebody came out with a water bottle
01:11:38.160but like incrementally allotted with time i think i could get behind that like legitimately
01:11:44.360you know i would i would love to like actually get your opinion on like brands on tick tock and
01:11:50.320like how they how they talk about uh how they talk to creators because you have a large you
01:11:56.100have a very large platform well we're pretty much in the same hemisphere i think you know i've
01:12:01.340spoken to um i've spoken to a couple different management companies that say listen here's what
01:12:07.180we want to do we you have x amount of following so you're going to get paid to promote a song
01:12:12.480so you use a song in your tiktok or you'll promote a product and i said okay i knew that's what the
01:12:19.620meeting was going to be about but here's who i am and here's the problem with that number one
01:12:24.360um nobody wants to hear music on my tiktok tiktok has decided it's not for me um my my people have
01:12:31.760decided it's not for me the only time they want to see me is when i do a dance and i look like an
01:12:36.340idiot that's it and if i if i really take that one to you know to the bank a lot it's going to get0.90
01:12:41.380tired. They're gonna think I'm faking the bad dancing. I'm1.00
01:12:44.440not but they're gonna think right. And here's the problem
01:12:47.020with products is that do I every's like, well, do you make
01:12:52.120money? Well, do I have a job? Right? What I'd like to make
01:12:55.620money? Sure. But I wanted to make money doing something I
01:12:58.900love and peddling peddling water bottles ain't it for me.
01:13:04.820Right? For me, I'm sure like, I've seen people especially in
01:13:09.240the gay community um you know promote boxers for women which is cool that's amazing i like a solid
01:13:15.940cartoon on my boxer i don't want i can go to h&m just fine like i i would only promote something
01:13:23.580and i said to the guy you know i i would promote things i use but only because i use them you want
01:13:29.220to get me a job with mcdonald's i'm in but i don't think they want to do with me because i have a big
01:13:34.100mouth right no and that's the thing and this is something that I will I'll speak to to personal
01:13:39.800experience so when I first started this I did it because I liked doing it I liked creating things
01:13:44.840I liked having and it was interesting because like brands started coming after a while and I
01:13:51.900was very selective with like who I chose but then I would like have meetings with these people being
01:13:57.640like do this thing and I'd be like I've never used your product I don't even know what your product
01:14:02.320is and they would explain it to me and i'd be like i'm not gonna go on my tiktok and promote
01:14:08.720something that i don't a use b understand and c like but also like the other the other side of
01:14:15.120that too is like i did a brand deal and i did it because like i have um one of my friends was like
01:14:21.120just do it everyone else is just doing it just do it and i was like i feel gross about it so i did
01:14:26.560it what brand it is we'll go after off off thing we'll talk about it but the um the brand i worked
01:14:32.400with i was like i the whole time i felt gross like the video i felt gross after the video was posted
01:14:40.000i felt gross everything i felt gross about and that video did somewhat well and i was like and
01:14:47.040it just made me feel a because i sent a script in they changed the script so it doesn't sound like
01:14:54.240me um i wouldn't i would add it right there i'd be that's what i said i was like i don't like this
01:15:00.160and they were able to come back from but i just the whole time i was like it feels like if i'm
01:15:05.760going to promote something i want it to be something that i believe in and that's what
01:15:09.680i've said to i have a manager now she's wonderful she's one of my friends friends um now we're like
01:15:14.960uh good friends but like she understands it like she will be the person between it and she'll be
01:15:19.840it's just on him no yeah like he doesn't use it he doesn't want it no and then she'll bring me
01:15:24.720stuff be like what about this and i'll be like sure but like i guess also for me it's like
01:15:32.400where do you where do they want it do they want it on my page if they want it on my page then
01:15:37.680it's yeah it's got to be it's got to be in line with who i am because i'm also like the whole
01:15:44.960reason i'm on tick tock and the whole reason i've i've done any degree of of well is because it's
01:15:49.840just who i am yeah and i start throwing in i keep using water bottles because heaven help me if i see
01:15:54.720one more water bottle push but but when i start doing stuff like that that doesn't make sense
01:16:00.720to me um then i'm then then everything else i say loses legitimacy that's what i said yes exactly
01:16:10.640exactly because how can they trust you again like because you you like that's what i said i was like
01:16:16.640i felt i went to exactly to my i went to my manager and was like i will never do this again because
01:16:24.480if anybody finds out how i feel about this thing yeah like truly how can they trust anything else
01:16:31.120i say and then she was like well they'll forgive you for it and i'm like i don't want them to ever
01:16:35.840have to be put in the position look what are we doing what are we are we are we just are we just
01:16:42.480going to use tick tock to roll out as many ads as we can until we kill the platform and then move on
01:16:47.280with the rest of the life i said to this management company it was a wonderful young guy and i said
01:16:52.080listen here's what i want i i tick tock has been amazing for me to be able to talk and meet amazing
01:17:00.640people and i've been able to create a podcast and have longer conversations i've been able to do all
01:17:04.640this stuff i want to be able to do ted talks i want to be able to do um like conversations like
01:17:11.440i want to be able to go places i want to be the anti-jordan peterson yes i would this kid didn't
01:17:16.640know who that was because he was from england but i'm like i want to be the anti that right i want
01:17:21.280to be able to have that banter that's my goal i want maybe to be able to write a book i said if
01:17:27.280you can make that happen go ahead take my money i'm in and the kids like that's really not what
01:17:33.120we do but i really would like to have you in the company and i'll try to figure that out i said cool
01:17:38.080but i'm not going to sign anything with you but if you get me if you say joe i want you to go
01:17:42.480talk in england to uh you know a thousand kids in a school cool i'll i'll be there in five seconds
01:17:49.600that is exactly what i want exactly um and that is in with what i want to do and who i am and could
01:17:57.440it make money sure yeah but i i see it as with some longevity i see it with some impact right not
01:18:07.600well this is what i'm wearing i am wearing this can you see this it's a mr dress up i love mr
01:18:12.640dress up though well this is retro kid it's a company made out of scarborough you should go
01:18:17.520check them out and they sell everything from when we were kids so like they're coming out with um
01:18:23.920so this is uh mr dress up i have bought a hilarious house of frankenstein stuff i have
01:18:30.240bought munchos you remember those three little guys from the chip bag yes oh my god like everything
01:18:36.560from our childhood they're bringing up and they're are you looking at it right now they have inspector
01:18:40.240gadget stuff i just saw your gadget i love the company i have sent them so many messages i don't
01:18:47.120even want free stuff i just maybe can i get it at cost and i'll promote you all day long because
01:18:53.920it's who I am oh my god they have reading rainbow stop Sesame Street no I bought the shirt that
01:19:02.340says uh you know remember that Sesame Street I went to the store and I got a stick of butter
01:19:07.660a quart of milk and a loaf of bread do you remember that yes I'm not sure you don't stop
01:19:14.480I do if I went if I could show you my closet right now you'd see that I've bought one of
01:19:19.100everything they have and they're coming out with Care Bear stuff in three days no they're not shut
01:19:23.600up 100 well i guess what i'm wearing when i go back to work i'm wearing carebear stuff because
01:19:29.480i'm on vacation for two weeks right now and i'm going to change my whole wardrobe this is what
01:19:33.540i'm saying this is who i am it's a great company this is my point so you know at that point i
01:19:39.100reached out to them now the funny part is i keep saying can we collab and they say thanks so much0.96
01:19:43.760for your support and then don't talk to me i'm like damn it can we just like damn it i'm trying0.51
01:19:49.520to say i love your stuff oh my god the inspector gadget go go go gadget mobile t-shirt i'm out0.95
01:19:54.240i'm done they're all it's all good quality is amazing and just right down to like they have
01:20:01.440these little things like little tabs that say retro kid on that like just nice little details
01:20:07.200i love it oh my god so retro kids listening for the love of all that's holy please please
01:20:15.040let's see if lyd said if lyd said joanna put on i'm like you don't even i don't even need to buy
01:20:20.800your product i have i have about 50 of your hats i'd be very willing to do this right but again
01:20:27.520those are big big companies that i start thinking about and i don't mind smaller companies either
01:20:33.520but i have to like the product and i have to use it well that's the thing and i think what
01:20:39.040you're saying or what you were saying kind of earlier with about wanting to have a platform
01:20:43.360wanting to become the kind of the anti-Jordan Peterson to have this kind of motivational
01:20:48.000speaking I see that for you you have a very like you have a audience that wants that obviously
01:20:55.160to come back for for more and your personality and your your intelligence lends itself to that
01:21:01.340and I don't think we give people like you enough of a platform to do this because we end up
01:21:09.660giving this fame to other people who don't necessarily deserve it like jordan peterson
01:21:14.620or like someone who is a little bit more insipid who is it was insipid in their in their um
01:21:20.860in their advice like we get those those kind of like pinterest advice columnists
01:21:26.460just try harder we let we like extremes right because extremes draw draw in extremists and
01:21:35.820if you draw in an extremist, they're willing to buy anything you're selling, go anywhere you've
01:21:40.240gone, pay whatever for a ticket price. And I will never be that. Having said that, I do think that
01:21:46.260there's a, you know, the Jordan Peterson, putting him aside for a second, I feel like I've just been
01:21:51.960plugging him for, there's millions of middle-aged, young to middle-aged white cisgender men who are
01:22:02.420buying into it. And I don't think they're all idiots. I don't think they're all horrible.1.00
01:22:07.360I don't think they're all anything. I think they're looking for something. And I think they
01:22:11.160feel, wrongly, very excluded from a shift in a progressive narrative in which they no longer,
01:22:19.920or their power, not even their power, but the ideal of their power is being challenged. And
01:22:26.700they feel it is a personal affront, a personal attack. I am desperate to get at them. I truly
01:22:35.060am. People will come in my TikTok live sometimes and they'll just be dicks. They just say stupid0.99
01:22:41.520stuff. And my people are always like, kick him out, kick him out. I'm like, I won't. He can take1.00
01:22:46.220shots at me all he wants. But I promise you, if he sticks around long enough, I got a good chance
01:22:52.260a win and I'm over. I got a good chance of him saying, I never thought about it that way. Or
01:22:56.580I'm going to think about that. Or you know what? You're not who I thought you were. That's my,
01:23:02.580that's it. That's what I want. I want people who would have discounted me because of my backwards
01:23:09.820hat or, or, you know, my baggy jeans and my politics, maybe my perceived politics, just to
01:23:18.060take a minute right sit there for the heartbeat just do i make sense on any level is there any
01:23:25.620level in which you hear me making sense and that's something that i think is something we don't do
01:23:31.500enough and that's something that i also like aspire to be because there was a video that i
01:23:36.680had made a while back where do you remember that woman who was going around saying she was canceling
01:23:40.680her netflix subscription um because like it was too woke now and like all these she doesn't care
01:23:45.980about lgbtqi people i just want to hear about them and i i usually make videos where i'm like
01:23:52.520if i'm going to respond to them i'm not going to take a cheap shot i'm going to be like this is
01:23:58.860what's wrong with what you're saying yeah here's some positives of what you just said but here's
01:24:03.780the kind of the faults and oh everyone in my comment section was like oh you you had a
01:24:08.320conversation with her you were so nice to her you'd all these really nice things you should
01:24:12.200have just like blocked and ended her i was like but that's not the point the point is it really
01:24:17.720is that she is standing at the edge of the forest looking at the problem and missing it is wanting
01:24:24.920to have a voice herself but denying other people that right and she doesn't understand that this
01:24:32.440this inclusion of these stories of this um perspectives currently in 2022 it's not about her
01:24:40.600she doesn't have to watch them and it doesn't diminish exactly it doesn't diminish her there
01:24:47.360you go you have your experience you can have what you like you can find a myriad of different
01:24:53.700television programs and you can watch friends come home that can be exactly yeah but what my
01:25:00.460question becomes is what is so terrifying to you that one character in that television show of an
01:25:07.620ensemble cast that doesn't speak to your um experience or your life what is so horrible
01:25:14.520about that why does the inclusion of that storyline upset you so much when the rest of the characters
01:25:20.280are people and like where in the fabric and the tapestry of your of people that you come in contact
01:25:26.040with why can you not see that perhaps like the three tertiary like the three kind of like stages
01:25:31.800and circles of being that one of those people in your life may finally see themselves represented
01:25:40.120on in television and media why is that so scary for you i think there's two reasons and it's
01:25:46.340interesting because i just had a conversation with a guy who is you know he's 30 years old
01:25:50.800white guy christian has a beautiful wife brand new baby and we we talk about that stuff often he
01:25:56.900He goes, you know, I feel very like when I go somewhere, when I go somewhere, I feel like I'm looked at as that, as this guy that is now hated.
01:26:07.720I'm like, but do you understand that's the chip you're carrying on your shoulder that doesn't actually exist?
01:26:15.800And I think it exists there for two reasons.
01:26:20.720force and so when we change anything when there feels like there's a shift and there is a shift
01:26:26.360when there feels as though there's a shift when you've had it good nobody wants the shift
01:26:32.900exactly my life was good I don't want the shift the shift feels bad the shift feels unknown and
01:26:38.760I think also there's an element of I'm going to say guilt and resentment and let me explain and
01:26:50.020going to do it with an example from myself because even though I'm a woman, I'm gay,0.99
01:26:55.860I can still be an asshole. I did a TikTok where I can still be short-sighted. I can still be0.99
01:27:06.100discriminatory. I can still be stereotypical, right? I did a TikTok or I was on TikTok and
01:27:12.020I was talking about a woman's right to choose a woman's body, yada, yada, yada. And Anna says,
01:27:16.820joe you really got to change your vernacular you got to see a person's right to choose because
01:27:20.820there are men who can get pregnant and initially when she said that to me i said of course you're
01:27:24.900exactly right but then i did it again because i wasn't again it's it's a change just shift that
01:27:30.500i'm just not used to and i got off tick tock that live and she goes joe you did it like three more
01:27:38.340times and right in that instance i got defensive right in that moment i went listen not quite this
01:27:45.940aggressive but like i'm a good person i fight for all like everybody gets what i mean right
01:27:52.100everybody what i mean and then you're pushing a little too right and then i had to take a minute
01:27:57.780stew i had i took a minute and went did i just become a white misgender that's that's who i am
01:28:05.540right now and then i thought that is my moment okay now i gotta now i gotta really internalize
01:28:12.020it now i gotta really understand that i was a hundred percent wrong but for a minute just for
01:28:18.740a minute i got the feeling the feeling where i felt attacked for and i always thought i was a
01:28:25.380good person i you know i'm a good person i'm a good person now you're telling me somehow that
01:28:29.940i'm not a good she wasn't telling me that she wasn't telling me i wasn't a good person but
01:28:34.180that's how i internalized it and that's how my guilt took over yeah when in actuality it has
01:28:40.580to be a bigger conversation than that and i have to realize it's not because i'm a bad person but
01:28:46.020it is because i don't get it and it's okay not to get it it's not okay to never try again
01:28:55.140because i guarantee i'll do it again right there it is and i think white cisgendered men have a lot of
01:29:03.060a lot of different avenues coming at them right now where they're saying that's not okay anymore
01:29:08.260that's not okay anymore that's not okay anymore and i think that level of defensiveness
01:29:13.940is what's either what's going to happen is that defensiveness is going to lead them to jordan
01:29:18.580peterson and his insanity or yeah if i can possibly get in the middle of it maybe it just
01:29:27.380leads to a different discussion where i don't need to attack you but you're going to have to understand
01:29:34.340i don't need to make you feel guilty but you're gonna have to own it right you know and and i
01:29:39.700think there there it is i think that's the that's also interesting i think also too it's just like
01:29:45.860what you just said is actually perfect is the fact that you who are advocating for um people
01:29:54.340and inclusion also can fall back on those those of course those oppressive ideals and the kind of
01:30:00.980of like the frameworks we were brought up in and it's okay to make mistakes it's okay not to be
01:30:07.300perfect it's just in that moment recognizing that fact and pulling yourself back and i think it's
01:30:14.580it's so interesting to me that we as a society have become so polarized in in being so terrified
01:30:22.420of being wrong because we're so afraid of the label that that will apply that will have applied
01:30:27.860to us and it's it's it takes a very strong person to be able to catch themselves in that moment
01:30:35.220and be like oh my god you're exactly right it happens it happens to me or happens to me quite0.99
01:30:40.420a bit we're very similar like the pronouns issue i'm like fuck i keep making this fucking mistake0.97
01:30:46.520and if someone brings it up i'm already ashamed that i didn't get it so the shame comes into it0.86
01:30:53.220then i'm like i'm doing my best and i'm like your best can be made like just calm down take a step
01:31:00.420back be like you're right i have to make more of a conscious effort because obviously something is
01:31:08.020not aligning here and then yeah and being called out is hard it'll always be hard but it also
01:31:16.500not by the public at large exactly right exactly and that's even worse because someone that you
01:31:24.340love and respect and for them to call you out it hurts even more it gets under your armor
01:31:29.940and really like stabs you in the in the kind of marshmallow place that you're like
01:31:35.620i'm doing my best like how dare i'm a good person you love me for being a good person
01:31:42.820and they do because they're trying to better you and push you to be better and that's like
01:31:48.500that's something that i think we forget when we're we're correcting other people or these these men
01:31:53.900who are kind of like being pushed towards jordan peterson there's no one in the middle being like
01:31:57.900it's okay that you don't understand it it's okay it's okay that you feel attacked let's unpack
01:32:04.560those feelings let's sit here and really understand what you're feeling right now
01:32:09.420and talk through it because i can tell you it's not about you it's not your it's not your your
01:32:16.680shame or your fault to burden yourself to to hold on to and then you have so you you have that
01:32:24.380reality and then you have a whole element of the right wing taking advantage of that guilt and then
01:32:31.700saying you don't need to feel that exactly you're trying to do that to you you should be so what
01:32:37.280they've done, instead of having to just sort of go with you and work through that, they're
01:32:42.360emboldening the parts of you that want to discount it. They're emboldening the parts of you who want
01:32:48.380to forget about it. They're emboldening the parts of you that, let's be honest, even elements of you
01:32:55.040don't really believe it, don't want to believe it, right? It's why CRT is such a huge issue
01:33:02.400because at the end of the day, there's horrible racists out there, but there's a lot of white
01:33:06.440people who just don't want to believe it anymore right it's just not a thing anymore guys let it0.98
01:33:11.400go it's not a thing my life sucks too can we just let it go they really really don't want to think
01:33:17.080it happens so when then then they have a politician standing in front of them they say it's not0.96
01:33:22.120it's all garbage it's all manufactured to prey on you to get something from you to make you feel
01:33:28.040guilty so you change your world which you should never have to and it preys on the wrong side of0.99
01:33:34.120that right but if nobody's standing on the other side if if the other side is just yelling and1.00
01:33:39.640saying you're garbage you're this you're you're racist you're biased you're homo if you're just0.99
01:33:45.320screaming at those people you're just driving them the other way but it's funny because that's the1.00
01:33:51.800teacher in me right right i have friends that are like joe aren't you tired of teaching people about
01:33:57.960being gay and i'm like no i mean like it's just what i do right but like for me like the answer
01:34:05.880sometimes is yes because i find it exhausting will i stop doing it no it's important do i find
01:34:12.120the conversation having to start from scratch exhausting a hundred percent i do do i have do i
01:34:17.920feel that like that moment where i'm like oh my god it is 2022 or every year it happens to be are
01:34:25.820we still having this conversation and you take a breath and you go let's unpack your feelings
01:34:33.680because my general belief and I believe this is your belief as well is that if you are pushed
01:34:39.420into discomfort things change you are changed you can basically look at yourself through a
01:34:48.140different lens and grow but if you refuse to do that and these people say don't feel that don't
01:34:54.140worry about that that's not your burden to hold it may not be your burden but you still need to
01:35:00.220identify what about that line of of education or rhetoric upsets you so much absolutely absolutely
01:35:08.220and i think it helps being a teacher and being surrounded by kids because at the end of the0.99
01:35:11.580day especially on this stuff they're smarter than us so when i deal with adults who are idiots um0.98
01:35:17.980i can go back to my grade seven i can go back to my grade sevens where where i do have a trans0.99
01:35:27.220student and the kids adjusted like that right adjusted like that no question no teasing nothing
01:35:35.560just that's their name now moving on with it what else can we do with our day can we have do we have
01:35:41.780to do gym do like so i'm surrounded by that too and so i see all the good coming down the pipe
01:35:48.720and it's like the adults okay well then i'll take are you a boy or a girl for the 800th time when
01:35:55.700they ask me or whatever because kids and i've seen such an amazing transition in 20 years i really
01:36:02.240have for people that say we're going backwards okay we might take a couple steps back right
01:36:08.340over 20 years the the movement for me being terrified when i started teaching that somebody
01:36:16.240was going to find out i was gay and i was going to get fired or kids were going to use it to
01:36:19.980whatever yeah me being openly out tattoos on my arms talking about gay and trans issues my wife
01:36:30.140coming to prom and kids that's not a long period of time for me to feel very differently about the
01:36:37.640world I live in. And that's powerful. And I think because I see that too, I don't get quite so
01:36:44.000despondent. That's a very good point, actually. It's better than us, really. Yeah, I think it's
01:36:52.800very interesting because I have such a, I do think that the next generation is a lot
01:36:58.900more emotionally intelligent than all of us and can kind of adapt to these things and
01:37:04.880really value someone's personhood above all else and protect quite viciously people's right to be
01:37:15.320themselves and to choose what is right for them. But I do think that there is a small sect of,
01:37:23.840I would say, Gen Z kind of like edging the line of millennial and someone in their 20s right now,
01:37:31.260i think has an intolerance for context um over why things are the way they are why people feel
01:37:40.660the way they do and there is an um i do think i i see it on tiktok a lot um and also social
01:37:48.100on instagram and all social media really is that there's this belief at least in this kind of like
01:37:53.56010-year gap of people or 10-year kind of like span of people of who are are kind of very leftist
01:38:00.840who are fighting on actually both sides of the i won't make it a political thing but
01:38:05.160there's no understanding of why someone else feels the way they do it's just that they're wrong
01:38:11.700and it's a period after that it's not a comma it's a period and there's no education on the
01:38:16.840on the side of that now that could be a very like sweeping generalized statement i'm sure there's
01:38:21.380nuance in both sides but from what i see in the people that we give are people that have a lot
01:38:26.680followers um are what you said they're very much black and white and it's an extreme on one side0.99
01:38:34.520talking about early 20s right yeah because they're stupid look something happens to us at our early0.99
01:38:41.48020s all of us it happens to all of us here's what the here's what happened when we're like the same1.00
01:38:48.760human being we have to be different when we're kids we're not judgmental when we're kids we just
01:38:56.880get it and and and as generations change they they get it even more and more and more we grow
01:39:02.560into kids and young adults in especially in that early 20s where we're at university and we think
01:39:09.300we're the we know everything everybody else is wrong i just read karl marx for the first time
01:39:15.800Or I just read a, you know, Catherine McKinnon told me what feminism truly, I mean, and I just stand so firmly in that because we have yet to have real life experience that throws all of those binaries and black and whites into shades of gray.
01:39:33.240right and and that just comes with this is the unfortunate reality is it comes with the bumps
01:39:41.000in the road of crappy relationships and crappy jobs and you know getting changing uh houses and
01:39:50.940changing roommates and moving countries and getting a wider sense of reality because that
01:39:58.300will shift you know come your 30s um but i think that's an incredibly important time and that's why
01:40:06.460again guys like peterson drive me insane because they're professors right because they hold these
01:40:11.980kids captive and because a guy like him is going to make you love him and believe every freaking
01:40:19.500word he says or discount him and discount every word he says you're both wrong right but in 20
01:40:27.180years old that you think that way you think you've got it all figured out and you've got that's what1.00
01:40:33.660makes you stupid it's you're not stupid because you're somehow you know ignorant or you're stupid1.00
01:40:39.900because you've decided this is the limit i i all of a sudden feel like i've learned a lot and that's1.00
01:40:46.380all i need to know to understand the world i live in right so you make a lot of absolute statements
01:40:53.580i try to make no absolute statements ever i really try because i'm always wrong if i make one i'm
01:41:00.540somebody's gonna say you're wrong here you know and and so that just comes with age but that's
01:41:08.060the one thing i absolutely love i think that the thing that we i think that the thing i value most
01:41:14.700about kind of like watching your page and kind of like taking in their videos it's it's more of a
01:41:19.340conversation um than anything else you invite people to have a conversation to learn more
01:41:26.460and i don't see that a lot on tiktok i don't see that that push to have a middle ground found
01:41:36.820or for someone to be pulled back from those kind of very um extreme beliefs toward a more middle
01:41:44.100ground or towards more your side simply due to the fact that you're you're interested more in them
01:41:51.140unpacking some of those um stereotypes or uh ignorant thoughts they may have and then you're
01:41:59.700also open to being changed as well you're like oh i didn't think of that therefore yeah you're right
01:42:06.660in this area you're correct i misspoke i'm going to move back over here i get that and that's
01:42:13.300something that i find so interesting because people are willing to teach as long as the
01:42:16.980people they're teaching don't talk back um and don't want to and don't try and sway them one
01:42:22.980to one side right i yeah no that's true i mean it's not that i don't think i'm
01:42:29.300you know i'm strong-willed i think i i tend to be relatively um persuasive but i think on issues
01:42:38.500and on singularity moments rather than overarching things so for example i can talk about the
01:42:45.220ridiculousness of doug ford um and but i can also say listen i get why he was elected
01:42:52.900yeah i get who i get who he speaks to i get why he speaks that way i don't believe him but there's a0.90
01:43:01.540a lot of people don't believe um and i don't agree with him but i also i'm constantly even
01:43:08.100with paul any politician trying to take ownership of we live in one of the freest democracies in the
01:43:15.140world if we are not taking the responsibility to become educated and actually informed and making
01:43:22.260good choices we cannot constantly point our fingers we can't um because it's useless and
01:43:30.740and it doesn't make any sense so you know every like would you ever sit down with doug ford i'm
01:43:36.820like yes i don't think it would last very long no he'd walk out i don't think he's that kind
01:43:42.100of politician it's like trump trump wouldn't would you talk to trump sure it would last 37
01:43:47.860seconds because he's not interested in anything to do with the truth which is his which is how
01:43:52.980we got elected that was his road right and you guys bought into it whoever bought into it you
01:43:58.660bought into it um but the idea of somebody and that's why a guy like bernie sanders is whether
01:44:05.300you agree with his politics or not he's amazing and he will sit down with anybody anytime anywhere
01:44:11.700any place and have an honest conversation how do we we don't want that because he's
01:44:18.500not giving us an easy solution no he's forcing us to address um it's not easy i also think um
01:44:28.660uh ocasi or cortez is the same way who i absolutely love i love her too she she's
01:44:35.320absolutely fantastic but again she's very willing to have the conversation and it's people don't
01:44:40.780like that because it forces them to look for the answer themselves and that's not an easy thing to
01:44:48.240do yeah i think it's so funny because people would say no she's not you know like like people
01:44:53.060keep saying like marjorie taylor green keep challenging the conversation and everybody's
01:44:58.880like well see she doesn't want to have a conversation with that nobody can have a0.71
01:45:02.220conversation of jewish jewish space lasers no no one can have that talk no right but sit down with
01:45:09.520anybody else go ahead have that conversation have a real conversation you need to find two people
01:45:15.960willing to have it right i can't have a real conversation with somebody who's just going to
01:45:21.180call me names the entire time that doesn't make any sense right i need somebody who's gonna actually
01:45:27.700put some stuff on the table dissect it and not just constantly trying to rush to be right because
01:45:33.600i'd have that conversation with anybody like i think that that's a really interesting parallel
01:45:38.140that you kind of yes marjorie taylor green wants to have a conversation but like the thing with0.75
01:45:43.580marjorie taylor green is that her well one she just she's she bends the truth and lies but also
01:45:53.600she doesn't there's no willingness to admit that she is wrong or was at fault or perhaps
01:46:01.000doesn't have a full understanding or the full contextualization of a certain issue like she
01:46:07.440comes into it knowing that she is the expert and is backed up by other people who believe the way0.77
01:46:12.760she believes but it has no willingness to talk about issues it's very much that very black and
01:46:20.280white you are just wrong there you go but again a lot of the conspiracy theories in this kind of
01:46:27.720this political um showboating for lack of a better term stops any kind of intelligent
01:46:39.720conversation because all they're doing is playing for the cameras like and that's still on us 100
01:46:51.320right i follow marjorie taylor green on twitter when i look and why do i do it i do it because
01:46:57.560i need to know what's going on but why do i do it because i look at her comments and all of
01:47:02.520the attention she gets and i swear to god three quarters of it is is hate is they don't like her1.00
01:47:09.000the comments are filled with you're an idiot but it doesn't matter it keeps populating that page1.00
01:47:14.600it keeps making her frontline news it keeps pushing her into the next news cycle and that's1.00
01:47:20.280what we've done myself included that's what we've done right we're not interested in those
01:47:25.000conversations if it makes you feel any better um you follow marjorie taylor green on on twitter
01:47:30.200back in the day i went out and purchased every one of ann coulter's books to read what she thought
01:47:37.640i needed to know i need to understand what this woman believed i read every single one of them
01:47:41.960and people would be like why would you give her money why would you support her i was like because0.76
01:47:46.680i can't argue her or people who believe her if i don't know what she's talking about exactly
01:47:52.280and i would literally like i would be so angry reading half of these books that there was the
01:47:57.080only time in history i would like chuck the book across the room like take a breath go for a walk
01:48:02.680come back pick it up and we keep reading that's how i feel i've watched hours of jordan peterson
01:48:08.520hours and you want to scream i do i do i like my poor friends have to be like pulled into these
01:48:17.880conversations they did not ask for but they're like how was your day i'm like my day was great
01:48:22.920anyway ann coulter's last paragraph of chapter seven yeah let me get the book for you hold on0.98
01:48:32.680talking about Jordan Peterson and those damn lobsters. I'm like, I don't even, I don't even0.92
01:48:37.080know why I'm talking about it. But if I don't, if I don't, if I can't hold on to it, people will say
01:48:42.940you don't get them. You haven't watched enough. I said, yeah, actually I have.
01:48:46.720Why don't you tell me three things that you believe in that he said that you're like,
01:48:52.000this is it. Exactly. Tell me to clean your goddamn room. I'm going to lose my mind.
01:48:56.500can you tell me three unique things three unique things exactly that you think have significant
01:49:03.680weight um and then let's discuss those because i would love to do that yes 100 it's the one thing
01:49:11.260like when people say they love ann coulter to me i'm like cool all right they're like oh you
01:49:14.940don't understand her she's a polemic she just says things to be um subversive great what is
01:49:21.560something then what's the point but also if you're gonna say you follow her you think she's
01:49:26.340great what are four or five things that you can point to in her books or her publications of any
01:49:32.420kind um or from interviews that you actually believe because she has been proven many times
01:49:40.020to be factually inaccurate yeah um or to have bent actual events to serve herself but if you read her
01:49:48.340if you read her books oh my god joanna honestly if you read her books like she writes a paragraph
01:49:54.340and then she'll go back in the next paragraph she will contradict herself
01:49:58.660in the pair and i'm like i'm like what like what mind are you spinning here because i'm going nuts
01:50:04.420about who she's reading to right think about what is she trying to prove how is she trying to
01:50:10.660manipulate and how is she trying to bolster a very particular mindset my problem with most of the
01:50:16.980right is i don't want to hear because god said so oh it is a non-starter no i don't i i can't
01:50:25.300i can't and i and i don't ever want to be disrespectful of somebody's faith but don't
01:50:29.700tell me that it should be any part in government i think we should take it out even further than0.99
01:50:35.140it already is i think there should be no god in the national anthem take it off your damn money0.98
01:50:40.020i don't think we should have christmas i'm going to go i'm going to go all the way right i'm going0.97
01:50:45.460gonna say let's work through christmas all the way all the way i'm tired of making christmas
01:50:52.200dinner anyway i'm done with it well first of all i can't even cook so like the fact that you make
01:50:57.200it at all is a testament to the person that you are because i would order food and then take credit
01:51:01.300for it we gotta go all the way and i just you can't have an argument with somebody because
01:51:07.320they said in the bot you start with in the bible we can't have a conversation because i'm gonna
01:51:12.000saying well in Buffy the Vampire Slayer here's what Sarah Michelle Gellar said because that has
01:51:16.640as much to me not to you truth in it to who but it has it has as much merit in a political
01:51:27.380conversation than me pulling out a different exactly what you said quotes from Buffy and being
01:51:32.520like well in Buffy the Vampire Slayer world um this is the the lore behind that so we can't have
01:51:38.700that we got to use what are our laws and riches here's the metaphor of a hell mouth here's what
01:51:45.820we're not applying accurately to our consistent educational crisis you would look at me like i'm
01:51:50.700freaking insane as you should but like i can't those conversations and i and and honest honest
01:52:00.620i almost said honest to god but that it that needs to be a fundamental shift right away from that
01:52:07.020because it wasn't always like that so it needs to be a fundamental shift away from that so we can
01:52:11.420start having honest conversations again again about what a democracy is what you need in a
01:52:19.020democracy it's not just about an election it's not just about rule of law it's about majority0.80
01:52:24.220rule sure and minority rights absolutely well when you start balancing those ones out holy crap it's
01:52:30.860a world of gray there's where democracy lies it's not in who gets to vote and when we get to vote0.90
01:52:38.300there's at least eight qualifiers that go into making a democracy because they have elections
01:52:44.540just as often in china and nobody's calling it a democracy no and i think also too if the one
01:52:51.820thing i find like i i have no problem with people whatever people believe in their like the religious
01:52:58.140beliefs, no problem at all. You have the freedom to believe what you want, to follow the religion
01:53:03.320of your choice. My biggest problem comes in when you start architecting laws based on your own
01:53:10.300values and you are pulling me into your belief system and ascribing me to live that certain way
01:53:18.800when it's something that I do not believe, which is exactly what you just said. I believe it should0.73
01:53:23.340be a hundred percent separate and what you're seeing in the states is very much a leading to
01:53:28.680war becoming a more of a theocracy where you have theocrats building and uh writing laws for the
01:53:35.620mass public and that is where you get into a dangerous territory actually you already are in
01:53:39.680a dangerous territory because what happens is those people cannot be argued with because they
01:53:45.020keep thinking that they're at they're coming from a higher power or they have more of a bolster
01:53:51.300because they're more religious or correct or right
01:53:55.040based on something that I don't believe.
01:54:00.500I have no problem with them believing,
01:54:03.320but I should not be the one held accountable