Unlearn16: Class is in Session - The One Where We Destroy The School To Kill The Bad CGI - Buffy Season 3 Part 2

00:00:00.000 class is in session and welcome to unlearn 16 classes in session as stewart cracks his neck

00:00:08.720 for the grand opening i hope i got that on audio i hope there was a clean um welcome back for

00:00:16.000 season three part two of buffy the vampire slayer with stefan and stew stefan you want to do a brief

00:00:24.200 introduction before we jump right into sunny doe yep i am the chosen one the slayer and the witch

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00:00:54.240 everything there all of that in the bio there stewart where can we find you besides laughing

00:00:58.980 hysterically on tiktok you can find me well on tiktok laughing hysterically at myself usually

00:01:04.720 and my own idiosyncrasies and mental breakdowns and you can also follow my life in photos

00:01:13.340 on instagram my life photos um and my many political beliefs in my instagram stories

00:01:22.260 to which i receive so much hate really oh my god yes

00:01:28.120 i don't really get much i get nothing but a lot of love on instagram my hate all comes full swell

00:01:37.300 in uh twitter all of it all of it apparently i'm on somebody messaged me on twitter and said

00:01:44.680 oh joanna just so you know a libs of tiktok have your video and so does rumble

00:01:49.180 i don't know what rumble is uh rumbles like where everybody that gets kicked off youtube

00:01:56.960 now goes to stream so like when andrew's kicked off now he's on rumble all those trump guys rumble

00:02:03.780 It's like, it's like the YouTube of truth social.

00:02:07.840 That's neat.

00:02:09.600 I'm very popular there.

00:02:11.020 I'm very excited.

00:02:12.060 Everybody's like, well, we just want you to know.

00:02:13.960 I go, what are you telling me for?

00:02:15.960 What am I supposed to do?

00:02:17.580 Sections of the web that I will just never go to.

00:02:20.020 I'm very happy to know that that's just another chunk.

00:02:23.460 Another section.

00:02:25.020 All right, guys, we are mid season three of Buffy the Vampire Slayer with the first episode.

00:02:30.880 So we're at 12 as we were going through.

00:02:33.780 um which is oh helpless oh yes so is there what her 16th birthday her 18th birthday 18th birthday

00:02:43.140 of course she loses her virginity on her 16th keep it together joanna um by the way does anybody

00:02:48.420 else find that funny in season two she's 16 in season three 18. where do we miss the year

00:02:58.580 did i miss a season was there like a may sweeps thing where it was the and it was the and episode

00:03:08.140 they just explained it off off camera she was gone for a year you just explained it it's the

00:03:14.420 year the last year was when she was in hell that's amazing but helpless is an interesting

00:03:21.600 episode because what helpless does it takes away the watchers council and giles take away all their

00:03:27.440 superpowers and then make her go fight this big bad what do you guys think of this episode because

00:03:31.920 there's so much metaphor in here i can barely swallow it i i think that well that i just think

00:03:39.480 the biggest takeaway that i had for it was just bringing giles and buffy back together because as

00:03:45.580 we mentioned in the last episode there was that moment where giles says to her straight up you

00:03:49.180 don't respect me or what i do or who i am you know what he did to me and you still you didn't

00:03:54.420 let me know and then we see this moment of of confirmation from the watchers council that giles

00:04:02.060 needs to be removed because he's become too attached as a father figure to buffy and there's

00:04:08.440 this moment this very sweet moment where they're he's tending to her wounds and he just it's so

00:04:14.320 sweet so sensitive and really just show the connection between them and for me that was the

00:04:19.180 the strongest part of the episode stew what do you think i think that this really

00:04:26.940 cemented the buffy giles like daughter father relate like bond and i think it really really

00:04:37.000 really really cemented that here where he feels so poorly about what he's doing and he's putting

00:04:43.200 her in danger that it does cause him to end up being fired from the watchers council um because

00:04:49.500 he breaks the rules to protect her and i think that's like the kind of cornerstone of that um

00:04:57.200 what makes that relationship so unraw and real is that um he will always be there to protect her no

00:05:04.400 matter what and you see that kind of echoed in season five where she doesn't kill ben but he does

00:05:10.700 because he doesn't want her oh my god the show came out 40 years ago there's no spoilers anymore

00:05:17.500 it's been 87 years old stefan like it was literally filmed on like black and white

00:05:23.340 and like shown the cave walls like can we just relax with the spoiler warnings

00:05:28.080 everything i say but like i think you you see that echoed in every single

00:05:36.060 season and i think this is a really prominent um uh example of that and i think you can you

00:05:43.580 kind of see that other prominent example if you wanted to create kind of a sisterhood

00:05:47.260 um in season five right very rarely do you do you see something as strong as it was here

00:05:54.440 where giles puts himself in danger to protect her and since i see buffy always from a sort of a

00:06:01.920 feminist viewpoint it's it's interesting because i think the dichotomy in the fight here

00:06:07.400 is what makes buffy so awesome outside of taking away her powers and taking away 0.59

00:06:12.820 what technically what they're doing from sort of a a generic masculine feminine side they're 1.00

00:06:18.560 taking away all of her masculinity right all of those masculine attributes that we would normally 0.98

00:06:23.780 attribute to men her power her strength and all of that kind of thing physically we take it all 0.66

00:06:29.600 away and we make her rely on her intellect. And we also, in that same episode, which is why it's

00:06:36.220 happening and Giles is in trouble, condemn emotionality, condemn having an emotional

00:06:41.880 tie to a person because that is weak. That's the problem. You're not being rational. You're not

00:06:47.320 being calculated, Giles. You're being sucked into this whole, the Slayer has friends and family and

00:06:54.400 emotion and parental kind of vibe. And we're calling it in this episode, they're saying that's

00:07:00.840 not the strength. That's your weakness. And the cool part about the episode, and again,

00:07:07.040 Buffy in general, I think is it very clearly stipulates the opposite. No, your strength is

00:07:13.700 important, but your emotionality and your connection, and not just your individuality,

00:07:19.060 but your ability to work with other people and depend on other people.

00:07:23.780 That's your strength. That's your power.

00:07:26.660 I always love the idea that, you know, love is the most power thing in the earth,

00:07:30.280 but also love is weakness. You know, it's such a, it's,

00:07:33.880 it's that very, very thin tight rope of like one or the other.

00:07:37.280 Cause didn't someone actually very, correct me if I'm wrong,

00:07:40.300 but didn't someone in this episode say to Buffy, you hit like a girl.

00:07:44.340 Like I feel like a vampire said it to her.

00:07:46.380 yeah i'm like yeah but back to what you said about it's kind of taking away her masculine

00:07:52.820 that masculine side of her it's like well then she's just a weak girl which is just such 0.97

00:07:57.960 horseshit like i'm sorry that's what i decided but it's funny it's horseshit we all know it's 0.99

00:08:05.220 horseshit but it's still the very underpinnings of the society we're living in it we're saying 0.95

00:08:09.720 this show's been on for 40 years which it absolutely seems like it has but it's still

00:08:13.800 where we're living but also cordelia saved her what's that cordelia saved her i remember when

00:08:21.380 she like went to protect cordelia and then uh the guy pushed her off and she fell over the bench

00:08:27.200 and cordelia just like went off that guy yeah and she was like how dare you do this don't do this

00:08:32.160 there i i think we we kind of touched on it a little bit last episode and i might have just

00:08:37.940 been silent for that my bad but for a technical standpoint but there was something we mentioned

00:08:43.040 last time yeah yeah because it doesn't want it doesn't let me speak let me speak but there was

00:08:49.560 a moment in season three where they they cast aside cordelia to focus on the other characters

00:08:54.280 and it it was kind of odd because there was this huge growth that's going to happen to her

00:09:00.220 in angel and moving forward but i would say after this episode she only appears in maybe a scene

00:09:08.160 and just to sort of like what's happening you know what's going on like just there's nothing

00:09:14.100 to her anymore and i i kind of thought that was a real disservice not only the character but

00:09:18.700 the actress i don't know what was happening well we all know things were happening in the

00:09:22.460 background but like unfortunate happened from what i understand on the set of angel not now

00:09:27.840 not with buffy i i didn't i i i've heard her speak about what's going on on the set i've heard her

00:09:33.840 speak about Josh but from everything that I've understood the the really damaging horrific stuff

00:09:39.460 all happened on Angel not necessarily Buffy so I don't know why they would do that either I think

00:09:44.280 maybe maybe recognizing how strong of a character she was and and having to build other people up

00:09:51.200 in order to fill that void because they knew the void was going to be left maybe that was part of

00:09:55.860 it um i'm not too sure though um so we we leave there so we finish with uh with buffy obviously

00:10:04.740 successfully negotiating and we come to one of the well has to be one of xander's best episodes

00:10:12.300 right the zeppo can i say can i just say i usually skip this episode i don't watch it i don't like

00:10:21.040 yeah it's not it's again there's xander is hit and miss for a lot of these seasons and

00:10:32.600 specifically in season three i found him to be um useless or aw shucks well let's do something else

00:10:39.840 i there's just i wish i i do kind of wish they focus on what's happening on in the background

00:10:46.460 of the episode because i yeah i i just don't i don't i skip this episode wow interesting because

00:10:55.420 i i think the only reason i want to skip the episode is because exactly like stew has said

00:11:01.480 it then goes nowhere this should have been xander's moment this should have been because

00:11:06.500 it's cool it's very cool it's very very reminiscent in my opinion of superman do you remember when

00:11:12.900 superman was split into two right very reminiscent of the good and the bad of the competent of the

00:11:19.760 insecure of all of those sides of our personality and what should have happened after zeppo is

00:11:26.240 xander should have been able to have his collar popped a little bit and he should have been able

00:11:30.300 to walk a better line after learning this about himself he should this should have been a pretty

00:11:36.320 big moment for him right and i know stew kind of feels the same way over there what do you feel

00:11:41.580 yes I do I think this episode you've got a really good like this is the part that pisses me off the

00:11:47.460 most about this episode is the fact that it was finally the Xander you want to see it's finally

00:11:52.460 the start of this really great character progression and it lasts he literally he

00:11:59.140 kind of stares down the kind of tertiary big bad in this episode and he he comes out the hero

00:12:09.060 without powers without super strength without a destiny and then nothing happens it's like

00:12:16.000 it's just done and this weird standalone episode just lives in this like this roster of episodes

00:12:24.180 in season three where there is really no place for Xander like Xander doesn't really have a

00:12:29.920 storyline in this season I would argue next season as well he's sort of a filler character

00:12:34.440 in a filler storyline yeah and yet you have this really great start and we don't do anything with

00:12:40.920 it it just sits there i think i said this a taste yeah and i think i said this and i apologize if

00:12:47.000 i'm repeating myself because i don't know what was actually lost in the last episode but i do

00:12:50.700 remember saying that a lot of like i hope my fan fiction between spike and xander survived but

00:12:55.660 um there the whole point that joss always said that he envisioned himself as xander in high

00:13:02.820 school he wrote Xander to be a reflection of himself and in this episode it was written by

00:13:07.900 Dan Weber and so Dan Weber exactly to what the point was he created a strong character for Xander

00:13:15.480 and a strong story arc and a strong progression that could lead to a great character and Joss

00:13:21.360 Whedon just crumpled it up threw it away didn't go anywhere with it and I wonder if that has a lot

00:13:27.900 to do with just how Joss sees himself if he couldn't see himself as that character so he

00:13:33.180 couldn't allow Xander to be it either well you know what's funny is that at some point I mean I

00:13:38.840 think it's season seven where Buffy starts delineating all of what everybody is to her 0.91

00:13:45.400 and she says Xander you're the you're my heart I've never seen Xander be her goddamn heart a day

00:13:51.740 he should have been from that episode that should have been the start of him because he's never 0.84

00:13:56.760 going to be super smart Xander's not a smart guy he's not a big intellectual but what he should

00:14:01.740 have done is he should have been the heart he should have led with his heart he should have

00:14:06.380 always known like like you know ethically or morally or like whatever his that's what should

00:14:13.180 have steered him and I think it would have changed everything for that character and then for the way

00:14:19.780 that he played off the other characters especially including faith that he's about to bump into

00:14:24.220 well i also said i think i i mentioned last time and again i don't know if it made it

00:14:28.380 but there was a point where clearly joss didn't know what he was going to do with these characters

00:14:33.160 he didn't know if he was going to make xander or willow gay he didn't know what he was going to do

00:14:37.120 all he knew was that um he he put these little little um nuggets of of spoilers or easter eggs

00:14:44.660 or whatever within the episodes and at one point he buffy says to xander you are the key and he

00:14:50.740 says i'm the key i'm the key to one of this these big moments that's going to happen and in my mind

00:14:56.140 i'm like is that setting it up is that setting it up for him to be the key and then they just

00:15:00.640 scrapped it similar to how they scrapped the idea of him being the the queer character to um

00:15:08.040 announcing dawn with faith instead like there were so many like what if plot points that were just

00:15:14.560 clearly dropped it's very so disappointing that that's what happened because i really i don't

00:15:21.820 necessarily think that like i don't necessarily think that um i don't necessarily think that

00:15:32.340 they thought out a really good roadmap for all the characters i think you got one with willow i think

00:15:38.600 you got one with buffy even giles to a certain extent like giles character in this season sort

00:15:43.640 flip-flops we did a lot of different things um i think a lot of the comedy comes between the

00:15:49.080 um the introduction of wesley and i think that gives them a little bit more of a storyline and

00:15:53.880 a purpose but again that was in my opinion unnecessary it was unnecessary you know right

00:16:03.000 but i think i think ultimately what we ended up coming out of season three with was they realized

00:16:11.320 in itself they needed angel and cordelia to go there was nothing else for them to do cordelia

00:16:16.280 was going to a different university than the rest of them um they wasn't really friends it didn't 0.97

00:16:21.520 make sense for her to follow them so like this season was really about closing up her buffy 0.59

00:16:26.820 relationship um and kind of moving it into angel where she could start anew um giles i i really

00:16:34.760 don't know if they had a clear idea of what they wanted to do other than have him fired from the

00:16:39.680 Watchers Council I think we were leading up to this kind of grappling with him internally of like

00:16:46.220 where he was versus where he wanted to be um and sort of like the the love that he had for Buffy

00:16:52.440 as a more paternal love uh was conflicting with his ability to be a Watcher um I think you had

00:16:59.240 Buffy kind of grow a lot this season um built on the growth of last season and you see her kind of

00:17:06.020 grow up a lot more when she's introduced to faith and that kind of dynamic but and like make those

00:17:11.440 tough decisions but I don't think you see that from any other character these like we go into

00:17:17.540 season four we leave season three with the kind of um the school blowing up and then really

00:17:22.960 obliterating their existence into that and then we go into this new landscape this new um university

00:17:31.540 and Buffy has a storyline

00:17:33.320 which I hate and we'll get to that

00:17:35.740 when we get in that thing 0.93

00:17:37.220 I think it's funny all of a sudden Buffy's

00:17:39.780 smart. Does anyone else think that's funny?

00:17:42.020 She can't pass her glasses in her life

00:17:44.100 and all of a sudden she gets what?

00:17:45.520 1500 on her SAT? Stop it.

00:17:47.560 What are you talking about?

00:17:49.960 Stop it.

00:17:51.000 It's not that she's not intelligent 1.00

00:17:53.180 but the reason why she doesn't work in 0.63

00:17:55.600 school, the whole point of that should 1.00

00:17:57.620 have been she can't fit

00:17:59.720 that mold there is no way in hell buffy summers can write a solid sat i'm sorry that's the anti

00:18:08.860 buffy summers she is not a standardized test person that's the point it's the same reason

00:18:14.720 that einstein drops out of school it's the same reason that bunches of people that are that are

00:18:19.280 brilliant that have all of these exceptionalities can't work within that confines they don't sit

00:18:24.180 down right one day and write a solid sat that's season four though i can't yeah i think they were

00:18:29.200 trying to like keep it all in university and yay go to school kids i guess that might have been the

00:18:34.320 message but i also think too and the most in most like kind of trying part about it is the fact that

00:18:38.560 most shows at that time didn't translate well most shows that started in high school didn't

00:18:43.840 translate well to university and you saw a lot of them fail um in that kind of switch over to

00:18:49.200 university you saw it in saved by the bell you saw it in um sorry dawson's creek dawson's creek

00:18:57.280 even saw it in Felicity. Felicity couldn't, because it couldn't

00:19:02.720 foothold itself in a real experience of like what was happening. And I think Buffy,

00:19:09.440 I think what they tried to do was interesting, but also horrifying. And in season three, I think

00:19:19.600 the closing out of storylines created inconsistencies in this the character um plans

00:19:27.760 i think having buffy become this like secret genius um i think kind of creating xander as this

00:19:34.560 kind of as like not looking for approval going on the open road having no plan i think they really

00:19:42.240 with xander uh buckled down into making sure that he was going to go nowhere yeah and i think that's

00:19:51.780 a disservice to the character they created i totally agree and in the next episode so right

00:19:57.140 now it we're we're right around the time where you have faith you know she's on the edge you know

00:20:01.820 she does things by her own whatever and in consequences she kills a person so like a human

00:20:10.360 being an accidental it is purely accidental you see you watch it happen she kills him

00:20:16.200 but then there's the choice right because then here's the true divergence you make a horrible

00:20:21.400 mistake an awful mistake uh you know and and you see that that tested now where do you go

00:20:28.840 you know and and you see buffy go through those things and she pulls out of it well she pulls

00:20:33.480 out of it because of her support system because of who she is because of all those things and you 0.62

00:20:37.720 You see Faith, and she goes straight into the bad guy.

00:20:44.700 So what do you think about that dichotomy?

00:20:46.640 Do you think it was too much?

00:20:48.440 Just too extreme?

00:20:49.600 I think it was too much too soon.

00:20:50.400 Way too much.

00:20:51.020 Way too much too soon.

00:20:52.080 100%.

00:20:52.560 I think that you had such a strong, intelligent character with Faith,

00:20:56.240 and there was so much happening in the background with her

00:20:58.860 that they could have stretched for at least a season.

00:21:02.400 like you have the clear abuse that that she the she had prior to coming to buffy you have the fact

00:21:08.960 that she's literally in a hotel room that is just dirty and she's alone she's she's separated from

00:21:14.300 them at all times she's clearly in pain there is so much going on she has now been um attacked

00:21:20.760 she watched her watch her die in front of her by a vampire that chased her to buffy she had another

00:21:27.340 watcher trick her um she's lost faith in buffy and the friendships that she was starting to make

00:21:34.620 there and then she makes this choice and it was an accident like you said what happened was an 0.58

00:21:40.220 accident and for the first moments you can see that she felt remorse and she was scared but she

00:21:47.020 chose to say i don't care like that's what you're not getting i don't and i feel like

00:21:53.100 Like, as rude as it sounds, with better writing, this particular arc could have went on longer

00:22:01.960 and had much more of a powerful impact on not only the story, but the characters involved.

00:22:07.160 Because how could nobody in that Buffy universe look at Faith and go, she needs help?

00:22:12.760 No one.

00:22:14.100 You know, and every time she said, no, I'm fine.

00:22:16.020 I'm five by five.

00:22:17.100 Leave me alone.

00:22:18.240 That's not what the Buffy, that's not what the Scooby gang does.

00:22:20.640 That's not what Joyce does.

00:22:21.740 It's not what Giles does.

00:22:22.800 it makes no sense for them to just say okay leave bye and just leave it's just odd odd

00:22:28.880 stew what do you think i think that i said this in the last episode as well i think the major

00:22:35.180 disservice to fae's character is that it was rushed i think that a lot of what happened was

00:22:40.400 front-ended into the season and then you so so just like so they could just have her be bad and

00:22:46.760 kind of duplicitous double agent character on the back end kind of doing the mayor's dirty work

00:22:53.160 and i really think it was a horrible disservice to the character and that's why she was not so

00:23:00.840 intertwined with the rest of scooby game that that sense of outsiderness really played out

00:23:07.320 because they didn't give her enough time to to really um ingrain herself in their

00:23:15.800 everyday stuff so the fallout wasn't that big for me like when she killed the mayor's aide

00:23:22.200 yes however horrifying that may be it was an accident she didn't mean to they were being

00:23:27.160 chased but i do think that in the the scope of the of the episode in that storyline when she's

00:23:34.520 showing buffy how to rob like you want take want take like we're just better i think i think that

00:23:42.360 could have been more of a nuanced conversation um that like a more of a push because buffy for

00:23:50.600 all intents and purposes was a good girl like no like a very virtuous character who didn't break 0.50

00:23:58.900 the rules who always wanted to obey them you see that in episodes like school hard you see that in

00:24:03.880 anne you see that in um becoming part one and two what's my line part one and two she always in the

00:24:10.820 of of being selfish she always didn't come out being selfless in those moments so for someone

00:24:18.000 to kind of push her so quickly into want take i understand that they're trying to to build off of

00:24:25.940 her feeling of of isolation and sadness because of the loss of angel and how much does she have

00:24:31.900 to give up at such a young age but it didn't translate that way it translated as she was

00:24:36.580 being spoiled and and kind of like teenage rebellion also it didn't make any sense for

00:24:43.420 faith to just be so abrupt in that way like so black and white like it just at that point she 0.99

00:24:49.100 was a little like a little crass you know funny but never arson or robbery or murder it was such

00:24:58.340 a weird yeah very quick turn for both those characters just to sort of like push that

00:25:05.220 storyline and and move to the second part of the season she needed a better villain origin story 0.86

00:25:10.340 that's what she needed yeah she needed some marvel writers to swoop in and give her like a really

00:25:16.420 you know pulling on the heart strings kind of we get why you're bad kind of situation you know

00:25:24.040 what i mean and we get we you needed more of that now do you think all of this though i mean we're

00:25:28.780 talking the way we talk about it guys this show would have gone on for 37 years because

00:25:33.520 we're still talking a lot of episodes right in every season we're not in the days yet where

00:25:41.580 it's like what are we 20 22 23 episodes a season we're not in the days yet where it's like oh

00:25:49.620 eight episodes we're done the season or 12 episodes we're done the season they did long

00:25:54.180 seasons but do you think that they just wasted too much time with filler like those one-offs

00:26:01.360 we talked about that are that are gingerbread and yeah i like you wasted too much time with what

00:26:10.080 i like gingerbread but it's a filler episode but you're right like did we waste too much time with

00:26:17.360 those yeah or if we did gingerbread you can still do the theme of gingerbread and then have

00:26:27.280 progression of the characters in what they need to progress i could you have had faith in that

00:26:34.560 capacity i know i'm talking about i'm switching a whole bunch of things here but could you have

00:26:39.120 had a character like faith kind of going no no this is disgusting it's kids it's and watching

00:26:46.800 her get big and protective and almost supporting something like mu being like we need more people

00:26:53.200 We're not getting the job done.

00:26:54.660 I almost get killed and I'm the Slayer.

00:26:57.040 I could have seen her be pushed by episodes like Gingerbread

00:27:00.740 rather than them just being a one-off where, you know, 0.95

00:27:03.940 Buffy gets to kill him at the end.

00:27:05.540 Because you're 100% right. 0.86

00:27:06.580 Where was Faith?

00:27:07.780 In all these episodes that didn't have her starring or appear,

00:27:12.420 she could have just been that voice in the background.

00:27:16.200 Like, wait, this is wrong.

00:27:17.520 Or, wait, I actually disagree.

00:27:18.920 Or even just that sort of side to her,

00:27:20.760 where rather than being such an extreme of like a physical attack it is just like maybe constant

00:27:26.580 disagreement with Buffy of actually I think that's a bad idea like they had it with Wesley and Giles

00:27:31.660 why didn't they do more of that with Faith and Buffy and with me because again I'll come right

00:27:36.960 back to Once Upon a Time it's my favorite show but or second favorite but that's just smart writing

00:27:42.780 you can pull 22 episodes and make it smart writing like Faith needs like an evil queen edit where we

00:27:47.980 see the progression or the backstory it's just there's too many holes in her backstory like we

00:27:54.100 don't know anything about her and then we're just expected it's like oh she's evil now you know

00:27:58.800 yeah she's also inconsistent too like she's inconsistently written she's either overly 0.99

00:28:05.260 sexual she's overly bad she's um pushing Buffy outside of her uh comfort zones uh pushing her

00:28:13.420 kind of into the dark side but then also she's remorseful you see her alone in her hotel room 1.00

00:28:18.840 washing the blood out of her shirt you see her in season four um after living in buffy's skin 0.99

00:28:26.180 realizing how much she like deeply so good is is that yes as as buffy fans we can appreciate that 0.99

00:28:36.620 episode and be like oh my god how horrible for this character but it could have been so much 0.74

00:28:42.400 deeper and more um it could have hit a lot more and been a lot more impactful if we had spent like

00:28:49.780 Stefan said every episode she doesn't need a big part she doesn't need to be as featured as in like

00:28:55.980 certain episodes I think you can have that kind of like um ebb and flow um but there's there's

00:29:02.740 nothing it's just like this inconsistent character who is a very weakly written one and then we're

00:29:09.900 supposed to care when she basically buffy kills her or like tries to kill her but there's not that

00:29:17.020 emotion in the release there like you have this like weird prophetic dream where they're talking

00:29:22.540 and making buffy's bed preparing for dawn as we later find out oh sorry that's no incorrect that's

00:29:28.840 season four five four you're talking three no season three is where the house is being packed

00:29:34.940 up season four is where the bed's being made oh but she does say counting down to seven three oh

00:29:42.120 yeah yeah here's the correct but yeah yeah i have a question do you think well look looking back on

00:29:51.040 a show in 2022 that was written in 1997 is a you know is a pretty lovely gap do you think a couple

00:29:59.680 things could be true number one i don't know if they would have written the whole season i'm not

00:30:04.920 sure how that would have really worked or how much they would have tweaked it and how much they would

00:30:08.920 have seen the big arc how long they thought they would have been going on for because that show was

00:30:13.640 on the verge of getting kicked off left right and center right it's like gonna get kicked off then

00:30:18.360 they bring it back the fans really love it they bring it back it goes to a new network and it

00:30:22.040 gets brought back so it's always bringing back from the brink of death do you think two things

00:30:28.280 number one since it's always getting brought back they're constantly trying to make those one-off

00:30:33.800 shows just in case we can hook new audience members so it's not this big storyline and and

00:30:40.340 this is the one i think is more dominant the show was really ahead of its time let's be honest very

00:30:45.260 the concept of the show the power of the show which is why it's a university course was ahead

00:30:53.180 of 1997 and when we watched it in 1997 i didn't get any of these seams i didn't i didn't think

00:31:00.980 anything big I really didn't I thought about it later as I got more education as I got more

00:31:07.220 analytical as I got you know and now it has this this nostalgic value with all of this cool heavy

00:31:14.980 weight but I still say that show if written today has more weight and more prevalence if I could

00:31:23.980 rewrite it than any other show I can think about right now if you did it right if you did it right

00:31:30.120 i'm not advocating a reboot before people lose their minds because that never plays out but

00:31:35.160 and josh shouldn't have another job but no i think i think today it would just it would be

00:31:44.040 you oh you'd have to really nail it to the wall like you'd really have to be

00:31:48.520 a perfect writing machine you'd have to be guaranteed certain seasons in order to get

00:31:54.840 at the depth that we're kind of demanding from it now you know we're accustomed to now right

00:32:01.480 but i think that's something that you can do by just plotting it out also you both are wrong it

00:32:05.720 was graduation dirty part two where she had that dream i had to look it up you looked it up you're

00:32:10.680 wrong i'm not the dream she had in graduation day part two is when oh it's graduation day part two

00:32:16.680 but that's not where they're making the bed season four is when they're making the bed and she's

00:32:20.440 talking about little miss tuffet coming all that all the way down that's not that is not it's two 0.52

00:32:27.160 different scenes is this part of our trivia because i'll bet money on this the fourth season 0.72

00:32:33.080 is when she's coming out of the grave and running from buffy who's trying to kill her she's not

00:32:38.200 making the bed in in the graduation episode it is she walks into the room she walks in the room 0.80

00:32:44.360 looks around all these boxes she's like who's gonna take all this stuff and then or oh who's

00:32:48.600 gonna take care of the cat and faith walks behind her and says oh i don't know it's it's just all

00:32:53.400 stuff scar tissue it's not it's not the bed that's the bed is in season four i will bet money on this

00:33:03.480 i'm gonna have to go back and watch it too but what i want to say

00:33:10.200 what i want to say while you guys are pulling up clips i was going to say we have to we it's

00:33:15.400 fascinating because we have to remember that joss whedon was praised at the time for his his writing

00:33:21.160 of female characters and then when you look back at these episodes you're like really okay

00:33:28.520 97 and i think we've just evolved so much in our writing for our for our series the fact that like

00:33:35.160 you said we don't have to do a 22 episode series anymore it can be an eight episode series and

00:33:39.400 still be tight and still be like unique and still be like smart and i want all 22 episodes oh i do

00:33:47.960 i would not use an eight episode episode season i don't know some of them are really good i mean

00:33:54.760 sorry heart stoppers i if i had to cry anymore i think i'd i'd be dry i would just suffocate from

00:34:00.600 like lack of moisture you're still looking the episode starts open right now he can't it's not

00:34:11.000 it's not five by five it's the one right before that the episode starts with them making the bed

00:34:15.960 so here's the thing is that i'm you're right seven's right i'm confusing two episodes together

00:34:20.120 oh no i very i see always give stephan credit when something is due thank you

00:34:29.160 yeah stephanie's due credit no the conversation i'm talking about wasn't season three

00:34:34.920 the scene i confused it with right it's not i remember this this conversation at all they had

00:34:39.800 when making the bed but but essentially i just put the dialogue i liked more onto over the scene

00:34:44.920 you like more but the funny thing is that you're correct though like the you were right in your

00:34:48.840 dialogue that there was this this moment where you're supposed to care about the fact that

00:34:52.680 they're fighting and that she's going to kill faith but they don't build enough between those

00:34:57.240 two characters and genuinely just take a red pen or add some extra lines give faith some more 0.95

00:35:02.600 something more to say and have those lines of dialogue with buffy because she was manipulated 0.97

00:35:08.920 by buffy she was manipulated by angel she was manipulated by wesley she was manipulated by 0.94

00:35:12.760 that other watcher she was completely down and out and no wonder she went to evil giles

00:35:18.720 like who else is going to take her in like it just the way he treated her was so much better

00:35:25.540 than any of them i love the mayor but he treated her with the kindness that they didn't

00:35:31.120 if anybody's listening to me right now pinterest people i don't know whoever those people are i

00:35:35.840 want a a fake copy or like a a recreated copy of the book of ascensions i i'm ascension i want

00:35:43.760 with the spiders you know i want them leather bound i want them kind of falling apart i want

00:35:49.960 like you know ascension part one i want i want big snake you can name them whatever you want

00:35:55.200 be as funny as you want but i need them to fill a whole shelf i think 1.00

00:35:58.760 i just i think that's amazing and what the mayor is perfect at again feminist lens is this idea 1.00

00:36:10.500 I mean, it's the daddy issue. 1.00

00:36:12.540 Oh, yeah.

00:36:13.560 Oh, my God.

00:36:14.600 It is the broken little girl with no dad.

00:36:19.060 And he's going to play that.

00:36:20.940 And he's going to give her things and gift her things and make her feel safe and loved.

00:36:26.480 But then always come down with a don't eat too much of that. 0.66

00:36:29.320 It's going to make you sick, little girl. 0.99

00:36:31.040 Or watch your mouth. 0.97

00:36:32.240 He's always careful with, you know, her swearing after she stabs somebody in the face.

00:36:35.800 it's it's an amazing archetype though right it's an amazing archetype for the bad guy

00:36:43.480 but not a single scooby treated her in the same way and they'll turn around and say we tried to

00:36:49.160 do this with you faith we tried no you didn't willow tried to say to her like buffy was so

00:36:53.560 great to you and she did this and she did that and we tried not once not at all you all betrayed her

00:36:59.300 and then gaslit her to think it was her fault no wonder she went to the mayor like

00:37:06.500 i just i feel like for a character to be in 13 episodes of a 22 episode series um

00:37:13.780 is that it like season three she's on it only in 13 episodes she's in

00:37:18.740 hope trick beauty and the beast homecoming revelation bad girls consequences doppel

00:37:23.700 gangland enemies choices graduation day one and two yeah but i think what we're saying is for 13

00:37:30.880 episodes of this character's development and growth we still did not get a full character

00:37:35.500 at all i think for the nine episode that she was not in i think there could have been either like

00:37:42.000 i said last uh last iteration of our last uh podcast we recorded where i said have her turn

00:37:48.380 in season four when there is that separation already kind of like existing plot device of

00:37:54.760 university pulling them apart um because it would have had a lot more meaning to me did i like faith

00:38:01.880 i always hated faith i thought faith was the worst character on the show and i loved it when she

00:38:06.660 started but it's so interesting to me because i loved kendra and we got very little on-screen

00:38:13.380 time of kendra but we got a lot more of a whole holistic understanding of who kendra was and

00:38:18.360 why right and whereas faith you had 13 episodes and you still left with a very uh very like faint

00:38:27.720 anemic version of a character well because think about it in those 13 episodes she was in beauty

00:38:33.000 and the beast what did she do she listened to her headset and then she shot oz with a gun in in uh 0.65

00:38:39.160 homecoming she went to the dance like that's all she did a couple quick conversations with buffy

00:38:45.240 and then side character nonsense b story like it was just nothing was developed for this character

00:38:51.080 until she got to angel and i'm glad that she had some development in angel and even still in season

00:38:56.920 four of buffy when she had her two episodes and then went to to angel for her one there was more

00:39:03.320 development of her in those three episodes than all of season three it's really sad but she was

00:39:09.400 only like think of it this way she was in what like twas something like 19 or 20 episodes of

00:39:16.520 buffy altogether and she was in six episodes of angel and you still got more development of phase

00:39:22.200 character in the six episodes over the course of four seasons in angel than you did over the course

00:39:29.240 of uh three additional seasons in in buffy yeah it's insane she's only in season three four and

00:39:35.880 seven and yet she's still one of the like i also found this very fascinating anyone else notice

00:39:40.880 that she wasn't in the anniversary photo shoot in was it people's magazine they a couple years ago

00:39:47.500 they did this full buffy yeah they did this full buffy thing beautiful beautiful photo shoot

00:39:53.020 everyone looked fantastic i actually and and they did um a care um actors uh q a two things i

00:40:00.180 noticed joss wasn't in the q a which makes me believe he was photoshopped into the picture

00:40:04.160 and that faith was not in the picture but yet joyce was and i thought that was so fascinating

00:40:10.980 i always but remember we talked about this i always wondered if elijah had way way more to say

00:40:19.980 way more perspective way more whatever about josh whedon than she ever let on but she also wasn't

00:40:26.980 invited i could see that she would just be like yeah not invite he'd say i'm not going

00:40:31.380 it's faith how could you say how could you not invite her i could see her not wanting to be in

00:40:39.540 that space with him yeah i actually i genuinely think sober remember she went through and this

00:40:47.840 is very well documented we're not telling stories at a class here but she went through relatively

00:40:52.680 serious addiction right when she got sober and that's obviously after this i mean maybe there's

00:40:59.460 triggers maybe there's things she's not willing to go back into for what so i can sit on it so i

00:41:05.280 can answer buffy questions that they never gave like you don't i'm assuming she thinks there was

00:41:11.680 injustice to her character and and the role she got and the the depth or the lack thereof um you

00:41:18.780 know i would i would have expected that was all very true for her so maybe she just didn't see

00:41:23.640 much of a point well joss has done some yeah and and joss has done some pretty terrible things to

00:41:30.420 major characters like in season six with spike and buffy um literally take just taking cordelia

00:41:37.560 out altogether um tara uh faith it's like there there are some there are some very questionable

00:41:44.780 story arcs and also just development of characters that you wonder like what is the real reason

00:41:51.720 how did this happen yeah because i think we're hearing we're hearing a fraction of it even when

00:41:57.300 charismas tells her story or or um amber amber tells amber tells a lovely story or michelle

00:42:04.060 tells hers amber has a story too yeah amber has a story too yeah yeah she does yeah oh i didn't

00:42:12.700 know that and she doesn't it's like they tell the story but it's like the story doesn't have a lot

00:42:18.480 of depth necessarily probably for legal reasons but you can freaking amber benton especially

00:42:24.940 the venom in her voice or the way she writes something it's like oh well i always found it 1.00

00:42:31.880 so rude when they would say like all these beautiful women were coming in to to go for 0.64

00:42:37.300 tara and then we saw amber and we're like her because she's frumpy and a little bigger and

00:42:42.200 like i was like are you serious like just listen to how like if you read interviews from that era

00:42:49.520 and the way they talk about amber benson you think she was the dog-faced girl you think she was

00:42:55.800 literally deformed in some way she's a beautiful woman but again just like it was just sad and 0.74

00:43:02.900 pathetic the way that they spoke about her one of the most empathetic actresses like you i it's not

00:43:11.280 like you're uh i was drawn in by her do you know what i mean she didn't have me right away she i 0.50

00:43:16.900 mean there whatever's going on but her between her and willow was interesting but she didn't 0.98

00:43:21.080 have me right away but she every single episode because she wasn't given tons to work with either 0.99

00:43:27.140 she drew you in a little bit more a little bit more that stutter i don't know who decided on

00:43:32.240 her stutter but that was brilliant oh yeah that stutter was brilliant it was the part where

00:43:39.000 you know it just humanized her and so much so quickly that you you wanted you you cheered for

00:43:48.360 her right away yeah you know and she's powerful yeah there we go and she's powerful why is she

00:43:54.360 powerful be not because not because of anything she wants and i really want to talk about tara

00:43:59.960 in the obviously next season because it's not about anything she wants it's not anything she

00:44:04.180 wants to do because she doesn't want to do anything with this power she thinks it's all

00:44:07.780 too big for these kids to be playing with she's like careful she is the most centered

00:44:14.560 and self-assured and and confident internally people i think of any buffy character really

00:44:23.400 buffy yeah i do i think she knows herself i think once she gets out of that you know hillbilly farm

00:44:30.840 she was was trapped in for quite a while and she can really be her own person and then she starts

00:44:37.040 to see how the world really works and she starts to see all these powerful people wield such power

00:44:43.380 with such uh ill consequence you know and and then you watch her like remember when buffy

00:44:51.920 is sleeping with spike and she comes and tells tara yes i was literally just thinking that same

00:44:56.680 thing yep what a great scene yeah you shouldn't have played it any better sorry we're getting

00:45:01.920 when when tara was the first one to realize that buffy's energy was off when yeah he was with faith

00:45:08.720 you know why because tara knows herself in order to cease other people you need to first know

00:45:14.640 yourself and no other character does that's true so good until later i love her so much okay we get

00:45:21.960 another throw away right before we get to the end of season three which i think is the prom 0.95

00:45:26.300 what a waste these stupid hell sounds jesus the only good setup is tucker tucker you get you get 0.99

00:45:35.420 andrew gets to say tucker's brother 1700 times that's kind of funny yeah oh my god what a waste 0.99

00:45:42.920 of an entire episode also his village villain origin story was just so funny it's like do you

00:45:48.340 want to go to the prom no and that was it that was the whole that was it i know that's kind of funny

00:45:53.120 i feel like that's kind of funny but that but you know you she gets the umbrella okay fine um

00:45:59.320 but outside of that the whole what like we had choices and we had the prom in which we could

00:46:05.720 have seen so much more of faith and buffy and and what was to come right because let's be honest

00:46:13.540 graduation day one and two are awesome well they do set up the graduation they're amazing i mean

00:46:19.660 for anybody not watching right now you're just listening i got a scoff and a head tilt coming

00:46:28.380 out of stewart's it was it's the it's the giant worm it just looks so terrible oh my god it looks

00:46:34.380 so bad now it looks so bad then listen that shouldn't have been done no even his head 0.99

00:46:41.500 erupting from his suit oh my god so the ascension my favorite part i think of any buffy

00:46:48.220 ever and i use this quite a lot when i think of really bad politicians

00:46:52.720 is when they're sitting in the audience waiting for him to ascend

00:46:56.560 and and they go he's gonna do the whole speech he's truly evil and then the other is just like

00:47:05.120 just ascend already i'm like oh my god i feel like i could play that before ron de santa speaks 0.99

00:47:12.360 when trump's speaking i feel like it's the perfect speech for long-winded evil morons 0.99

00:47:18.580 just to send already just do whatever it is you were gonna do what are you gonna do blow some go 0.99

00:47:23.620 do it get it over with right i i just want to i just want to back up for like two seconds because

00:47:27.900 i will say the only the only two things that happened in the prom that were important are

00:47:33.140 the setup for angel because we find out that cordelia's family lost all their money so xander

00:47:38.980 has this really nice redeeming moment where he buys the prom dress for cordelia but again and

00:47:44.100 where does it go well no nothing nowhere nothing but we also have angel breaks up with buffy this

00:47:51.880 is the moment where angel hurts her for like the last time or at least it's the start after this is

00:48:00.200 done i'm just gonna go i'm just gonna go which is so funny because they shouldn't have shown the

00:48:05.660 camera shot from like the far left because it looks very epic when she's looking into the

00:48:11.100 distance and he's in the fog and the fog is overtaking him but then when you see it from

00:48:15.680 the other camera angle he's 15 feet away from her just just give her a high five just like walk away

00:48:21.040 he could literally give her like a like a pat on the back as he's out the door he is just he is so

00:48:26.260 close i'm like oh this is an epic this is kind of sad this is embarrassing for you i pay a lot of

00:48:32.620 money just to get that that high five you know in there but also this is one of my I said in the

00:48:40.780 last episode there are like five essential soundtrack moments of Buffy and graduation

00:48:45.440 day part one when faith versus Buffy that the fight and the music that goes with it is one of

00:48:51.460 the most like on repeat moments in my brain most days like well and it just it's amazing but it's

00:48:58.720 unfortunate because the again the edits to the original that were i guess a change for digital

00:49:06.040 for either disney plus or fox because both of them had a hand in modifying the the um the original

00:49:11.160 files you can see so clearly that it is an old woman fighting for faith and also there is at

00:49:18.960 least half of a camera set crew in like god it's so funny and there's green screens i'm like guys

00:49:26.480 just little things little things well at the end of graduation day you get

00:49:32.840 guys guys guys you guys you guys you guys when you get the knife in her gut she falls off falls

00:49:45.120 into the truck she rides off into the distance to only find her and that's kind of a fun

00:49:50.860 well stew what's what's your problem with graduation besides the snake

00:49:55.280 i think a lottery the flamethrowers what don't you like about it i i don't actually dislike

00:50:02.680 graduation day i think what i i don't i think the only thing that i have an issue when it comes to

00:50:07.300 graduation day is where was this help before if they were able to rally the troops and rally all

00:50:14.280 the students and all the students knew what was happening what was going on where was this before

00:50:20.040 because from to this point they were nerds and and like picked on and losers so it's very it's

00:50:28.380 very interesting to me that with like the some like rousing speeches from the losers that all

00:50:34.940 of the jocks everybody every single different like uh club group organization sect of the

00:50:41.620 population of this high school was like yes i will take up arms and fight the the the giant

00:50:47.720 snake that's gonna happen can we mention not one person but like not one person was like

00:50:53.880 huh maybe i just won't i don't know if he's gonna turn into a giant steak i think willow 1.00

00:51:00.680 rosenberg might be crazy like she's lost her teaching schedule and the stress of exams and 1.00

00:51:07.840 getting into university along with the heavy teaching schedule this principal has her doing

00:51:12.900 she's cracked she's also dating like a band guy so like but can we talk about the fact that the 0.98

00:51:17.960 parents just were like deuces and just ran away all their kids are gonna get eaten by the snake

00:51:24.760 the parents are just gone well timmy happy graduation who was around for about 37 seconds

00:51:31.280 and then the parents are like nah i like the uh i like forgetting it even happened we're gonna go

00:51:35.720 back into the closet here and pretend we know nothing nothing how did not a single parent

00:51:42.420 nobody talks about the or the police nobody talks about the giant snake that just extend the fact

00:51:49.660 that the whole place exploded there are some holes but i will like i i will say nothing was

00:51:54.520 more satisfying than again kai is watching this for the first time oh yeah the eating the yeah

00:52:00.760 eating the the first breakfast eating the vice principal nothing was more satisfying than i'm

00:52:06.380 watching this and he's never seen the show knows nothing about it and when the mayor started

00:52:11.020 turning into the snake and starts erupting into that giant he literally just slow panned his face

00:52:17.360 towards me with this eating grin and he's like really i was like it's the 90s it's the 90s

00:52:24.640 it was he's like okay this day on cgi i don't i hate cgi it was just it was just so funny because

00:52:34.040 he was like kind of snickering to himself and i'm like it was 1999 nothing when we wrap this up and

00:52:43.100 we get to go to season four uh next episode we wrap this up before we wrap this up what would

00:52:48.620 you have done rather than the he had to ascend I like it I like the ascension I like he had to eat

00:52:54.700 the bugs I like everything about the mayor what in that last moment when Willow says

00:53:00.360 just ascend already what would you have had him become that could have been

00:53:06.440 practically sort of created in 1999 like the judge I would have preferred him to come like

00:53:15.580 the judge or like or like some sort of other demon like a person like a larger version of him i don't

00:53:23.820 think you had to use the same actor but i think no no yeah i get what you're saying i think there

00:53:29.580 there's like other practical things you could have done i even think like maybe not a giant snake

00:53:36.540 maybe it could have been i don't know i know they kind of set it up as to be a giant snake but even

00:53:42.220 like they opened up the thing they're like look at how big it is and they opened it again and

00:53:45.740 they opened it yeah but even like i guess my my biggest confusion when it comes to that

00:53:51.340 is that how is a giant snake is supposed to lead an army like yeah how is he communicating how is

00:53:58.940 he having these things at the end oh gosh like it was like goofy but like but look what they did to

00:54:07.980 odds like it in season four they had living conditions where they had those um those uh

00:54:15.420 soulless demons the the beautiful prosthetics on that they had a new man when giles was a giant like

00:54:22.220 looked like the legend creature no but like those prosthetics master style prosthetics and just

00:54:31.100 cgi-ing him to look bigger would have been better than just having a snake like i think i like i

00:54:38.140 like i was saying like a wraith some sort of like cloth type demon that was just huge and and just

00:54:44.540 shadowy would have been great it's just it looked so so out of place i genuinely wish someone could

00:54:51.340 have went back and said here's 30 grand just fix it like just we know but just fix it now

00:54:57.420 because you see what we have now and it's just like with all the pro the practical prosthetic

00:55:04.460 movie magic that they could have done it was it was just so much better part of me

00:55:09.820 part of me it's funny because i think about that and part of me would almost have liked an army

00:55:14.940 of him if you could imagine so have you ever seen why how movies are made or whatever the

00:55:21.260 this the netflix show yeah we made it's fun right i watched the one about alien

00:55:28.540 or aliens did you guys see that one they made all of those creatures were puppets none of it was cgi

00:55:36.140 and a lot of it was like garbage bags and different angles and there was just billions 0.64

00:55:40.780 of them right i'm like see something like that it should have just been but maybe that would

00:55:45.580 have mirrored a little too much the end but it would have looked very cool if there was a bunch

00:55:49.900 of them i don't know how you kill them all at the same time but you also have to think that his

00:55:53.740 storyline was trying to be a little bit more of a like of a commentary as well like what will

00:56:00.060 politicians who who goes into politics not good people and what are they willing to give up for

00:56:06.940 more power well in this case his actual soul right he's willing to give up his actual soul

00:56:14.460 he's willing to give up his physicality and i'm assuming be a big snake forever to rule what

00:56:21.980 well didn't in season to rule what to rule what i think it's but in season five didn't they have

00:56:28.380 like this really great puppet half puppet half prosthetic shadow it was i think it was episode

00:56:35.260 shadows where they had this huge prosthetic snake that was working for glory and it would like

00:56:40.220 slither away but i'll be talking with that being good i would i would rather see a puppet creature

00:56:49.740 put on a larger scale with like camera angles than the cgi snake that we got if that i would have

00:56:55.180 yeah i would yes but like that was equally as terrible but like yeah it would have looked so

00:57:01.180 bad from the snake there was no like this during glory like like running through the streets of

00:57:09.820 sunnydale just being like i couldn't like i could i couldn't take it seriously i couldn't

00:57:17.580 it's just like running after it as it's like didn't they have like done didn't they have

00:57:25.660 was it in season two or season three it was either the frat house that had that that was with the

00:57:30.700 demon or it was the the swimmers but wasn't there like another snake creature i don't know i just

00:57:38.140 It was the creature from Band Candy.

00:57:44.220 Right.

00:57:44.480 You know, long story short, Fire, Bad, Tree, Pretty.

00:57:48.360 Yeah.

00:57:48.940 Fire, Bad, Tree, Pretty.

00:57:50.520 And on that note, look, next week we got to do – look, we got to do season four.

00:57:55.460 We got to do season four.

00:57:56.380 I have so much to say about season four.

00:57:57.580 Nobody wants to do season four.

00:57:59.060 We're going to do season four.

00:58:00.900 We're going to get through it together.

00:58:02.420 I can't.

00:58:03.120 I'm watching it now.

00:58:03.600 We're going to champion through it.

00:58:04.760 And then I'm also going to promise our viewers something else.

00:58:07.080 I am going to get these two amazing guys in this house.

00:58:10.280 We are going to have a Buffy trivia off.

00:58:16.020 Anna's going to have to come up with the questions. 0.97

00:58:17.680 You guys can't come up with the questions. 0.89

00:58:19.660 No.

00:58:20.900 Maybe your listeners can. 1.00

00:58:22.860 Anna's going to have to do all the research.

00:58:25.320 She's going to come up with all the questions.

00:58:27.360 There will be prizes.

00:58:28.760 There will be outfits.

00:58:29.820 There will be a lot of stuff going on during that episode.

00:58:32.500 We are going to do season four first.

00:58:37.080 And then before season five, kind of to wash, let's say it's a palate cleanser,

00:58:43.600 to wash season four out of our mouths, we will do the competition,

00:58:53.800 the Buffy trivia competition right here before we go into season five.

00:58:58.320 Are you guys in?

00:58:59.560 Slayer Fest 98, I'm ready.

00:59:01.800 I'm ready. 0.98

00:59:02.800 I'm ready to do it.

00:59:03.740 Slayer Fest, there'll be shirts.

00:59:05.880 I think there'll be prizes.

00:59:07.080 um and i love it we can make the shirts we i can make those shirts i love it 100 shirts the whole

00:59:15.720 nine yards so next week guys we will do season four and before season five you guys will see us

00:59:23.500 and and i suggest if you're if you're a listener i suggest maybe watching this one on youtube because

00:59:29.760 i think it's going to be fun i can't wait in my head i have some fear factor things going on too

00:59:35.760 I don't know why.

00:59:36.480 I don't know how to include them, guys.

00:59:38.200 Listen, if there's prizes, I guess I had everything.

00:59:41.080 If you had something wrong, maybe there's going to have to be, you know, some punishment as well as reward.

00:59:47.640 I love it.

00:59:48.580 Let's do it.

00:59:49.060 Well, thank you guys so much for hanging out again.

00:59:53.400 And thanks to all of my listeners and watchers.

00:59:57.300 Stuart and Stefan's bio, all of their links will be in the bio somewhere underneath here.

01:00:02.740 go click on them go watch them on tiktok on podcasts every single place they are thank you

01:00:08.100 guys so much for hanging out and i will see you guys next week same bat time same bat station

01:00:15.560 have a good night dismissed

Unlearn16: Class is in Session - August 30, 2022

The One Where We Destroy The School To Kill The Bad CGI - Buffy Season 3 Part 2

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