00:10:06.860i don't have to remember the last you know 150 years yeah there's i mean i think there's some
00:10:13.340protection outside protection because um there were people who had come like um anthropologists
00:10:22.540well armchair anthropologists even ethnographers um people who had come to study us or to stay
00:10:30.140with us and some people did a good job like there's i think his name is james willard schultz
00:10:35.660he wrote a book called uh my life as an indian where he had lived in with black feet in amskapi
00:10:42.140pikani in montana right and so he tells stories about going on war raids with them and living
00:10:48.940how they lived yeah and but then there's other people who had come in and they were just taking
00:10:55.660pictures and uh you know doing and they were they were doing such maybe partially intentionally but
00:11:06.060also unintentionally misrepresenting what they were seeing because they had no framework frame
00:11:12.540of reference for what they were looking at hey so they would interpret it in a weird way but then
00:11:17.740And like we we have some of the most documentation on us.
00:11:23.180Blackfoot people do. And a lot of it is stuff that just armchair anthropologists were going around saying, oh, this is what they did.
00:11:31.340You know, they're very primitive for this, that they're very savage.
00:11:34.540And so they would make up a lot of stuff. And that's what I worry about sometimes, because this actually ties into the main topic is that you can't trust.
00:11:45.180i was actually taught this from a young age you can't trust what people are writing down about
00:11:51.220you you can't trust what is being documented because uh people could easily lie and put it
00:11:57.480in a book anybody can lie and put it in a book absolutely and so we end up um part of the danger
00:12:04.200is like when we're looking at wikipedia or google because there's a lack of information out there
00:12:11.960or a lack of true information out there, in some ways it serves us because then they don't know
00:12:20.060who we really are. Then they don't know how to speak Blackfoot. They don't understand who we
00:12:25.220really are. So in that way, they have the wrong idea about us, but we know fully well who they
00:12:31.640are. So there's a benefit there, but there's also this downside to where a lot of youth
00:12:39.720aren't taught how to approach elders or to ask questions because like part of asking a question
00:12:48.180is that you kind of have to have a well a frame of reference some knowledge to ask this question
00:12:56.680about what you're asking but if you don't know anything about it then how are you supposed to
00:13:02.440ask the right questions to get to the answers that illuminate you you know and so part of the
00:13:09.500danger of relying on wikipedia or google or you know those sorts of things is that um it may not
00:13:17.400um it may not be there in the documentation that's available to us right now is what i'm saying i
00:13:25.120guess yeah absolutely and i mean we talk very very openly about that you know and we have like
00:13:30.320indigenous fest like so a film festival in toronto that is that is curated and created by
00:13:36.880indigenous people of all different nations and and uh you know i've taken my kids to that because
00:13:42.320we we speak a lot about trying to hear the stories from the people themselves and believe them when
00:13:47.920you hear them right i mean that's that's one of the really important and that's and we're going
00:13:52.560to talk about language today but that's where history truly lives in the people that have lived
00:13:58.640it um and the closer i can i can get to that and then the closer i can then bring that to the my
00:14:05.680students, I think is the, the best kind of education, but you also are dealing with a
00:14:11.160community and we're going to talk about language obviously, but you're also dealing with a
00:14:15.260community. I mean, I'm from Ontario and of course it would be true everywhere in Canada that has
00:14:20.680been so, that have been such horrible victims of such a level of violence, either, either,
00:14:27.540you know, physical or cultural that it's very guarded, right? That, that your culture and
00:14:35.560your identity and what was and what is, is very, very guarded. So as somebody who's not Indigenous,
00:14:42.320trying to understand that, sometimes you come up against walls that I respect,
00:14:47.960and I understand 100%. And I teach my students to be respectful of those walls. And we talk about
00:14:56.440why they might exist and how we have to be respectful of that and of the process it's
00:15:01.980going to take if ever for those walls to come down in any significant way yeah um i think it's um
00:15:12.600you know it's tough because there's some stuff that is really of no business to other people
00:15:22.920you know that's great like what like there's some ceremony stuff that uh we don't talk about
00:15:29.960because it's like you know this is for the ceremony people so it's like um even historically
00:15:37.180not everybody was involved in ceremony like when it was just blackfoot people in our territory
00:15:42.620there was always a smaller group of people who were involved in ceremony who knew what we were
00:15:48.440doing who knew what we were on about there were some people who like prayer or or traditional
00:15:55.020living quote-unquote traditional living that wasn't ever forced upon anybody like there is
00:16:00.280people in the tribe who are just like yeah I'm just living my life you know like just doing my
00:16:04.120thing there was no um you know gifts or medicines that they had there's no paranormal stuff going
00:16:10.820on there's no ceremony stuff going on there was just uh they're just there living their life
00:16:16.600And that wasn't something that was forced upon people, you know, and but at the same time, I was actually in one of your lives and you were talking, you are going on this back and forth about sex ed and elementary school students.
00:19:28.220oh good whatever but it was the best sex he had ever had and in as the sun came up in the morning
00:19:33.700she left so he didn't see who she was but she came back again the next night and they had the
00:19:42.180most amazing sex ever it was better than the last time but the sun came up in the morning and she
00:19:46.840left so this kept going on and finally he said I want to know who this woman is I want to marry
00:19:53.120this woman and so he decided what he's going to do is he's going to dig a pit beside his bed
00:19:58.880he's dug a pit yeah he's going to trap her so they have the um she comes in the next night0.99
00:20:06.100they have great sex together and then just as she's about to leave he he grabs her and rolls
00:20:15.360over with her and goes into the pit and so she's they're both in there they can't get out without0.86
00:20:22.080each other's help. And he's waiting to see who this woman is, because she would always leave.
00:20:28.780So as the sun rose and started getting brighter and brighter, finally she couldn't hide. And he
00:20:34.360said, turn around, I want to see who you are. She turns around, and it's his sister. And so he's
00:20:41.600absolutely ashamed of all of this that had gone on. Absolutely ashamed. He's so ashamed that he
00:20:49.380starts crying and he starts crying and crying and crying but he's crying so hard out of shame
00:20:56.040she starts crying out of shame that they just lose control of their their they void their bowels and0.89
00:21:03.000he starts peeing so he's crying and pissing and crying and pissing and they cry and piss so much0.88
00:21:09.320that it fills up the pit and they cry and piss so much that it creates the old man river so0.62
00:21:17.400some of these stories they're not to be taken literally you know you're probably not going to
00:21:25.460forget that story anytime soon that story is shocking to the senses there's stories about
00:21:31.680not be where he raped there's stories about him where he um like he turned himself into a baby0.97
00:21:41.600so that he could get at this woman this woman's large breasts there's stories about him coercing0.98
00:21:48.060women into sex i think shakespeare stole all of his plays from these stories i think they're all0.97
00:21:54.120straight from there but yeah continue and there's stories where he murders even wow so there's some0.74
00:22:01.420really awful stories but then there's also stories in there where he um like he tricked
00:22:07.900some gophers into um roasting themselves on the fire but he let the pregnant gopher go because
00:22:14.140there should be more gophers so there's always embedded um there's an embedded lesson of
00:22:20.140conservation within it but the point of these stories is that what they were told as a means
00:22:30.940of education and social control yeah so there's children's versions that are very moralistic
00:22:39.100they're about stealing they're about um they're about being honest and they're silly stories
00:22:45.660they're stories that are meant to make you laugh to emotionally react and then when you get into0.99
00:22:51.420the youth and adult stories that's where the sexuality comes in because black people had
00:22:56.860recognize that there are stages of development psychologically for people and the main stages
00:23:04.600are infant youth adult elder so infancy is from the from zero to 25 youth is 25 to 50
00:23:13.480adult is 50 to 75 and elder is 75 to 100 because people would generally live to be about 100 years
00:23:24.020old throughout an appropriate lifespan anyway the point of these stories was to proactively
00:23:34.220mitigate sexual violence because that you learn from not be how not to be here you don't want to0.96
00:23:43.920be like him he is a fool and I think what had happened more often than not too and I've had0.99
00:23:49.860this confirmed by other elders was that things would happen in camp uh you know humans be human1.00
00:23:57.560so they're going to steal they're going to get into sexual misconduct they're going to be violent
00:24:03.680they're going to murder there's all of these things that they're going to do and when there
00:24:08.500was something that was so outrageous that would happen within camp that they had to deal with
00:24:13.620That would become a not be story to teach other generations. Look at how foolish, how crazy this behavior is. So we don't want to do that.0.99
00:24:23.160Yeah. So there's these books called, well, George Bird Grinnell had written, I think, Blackfoot Stories, I think is what it's called. There's others like the Old North Trail.
00:24:35.680in one of those books about our stories, the author writes, I have intentionally
00:24:43.400censored these stories, because they are too raunchy and ribald for civilized ears.
00:24:50.960They're no good. So what he ended up doing was he removed the point of the story.
00:24:57.640because you can't mitigate sexual violence without talking about what sexual violence is
00:25:07.620you can't mitigate these problems without being honest about them yep and that's why it's important
00:25:15.940for children at early ages when they're starting to interact with other people to get age
00:25:23.020appropriate ideas of what sexuality is of what uh you know the psychological development that
00:25:29.820they're going through their body development so on and so forth absolutely what a great what and
00:25:35.260this is gonna this is a lovely sort of transition into language because what a great perfect analogy
00:25:43.500and comparison to what we think we're doing when we protect or we cover or we we you know
00:25:52.300do whatever we do to young people or to adults, because let's be honest, we still love to censor
00:25:57.960left, right, and center. And when we do censor what we're scrubbing out of reality, and if we
00:26:05.960scrub it out of reality, we don't know we have to face it. We don't know we have to have a
00:26:11.260discussion about it. We don't know it needs to be on the table, right? I mean, and that's what
00:26:17.480censorship a lot of the times does. And I've had, I don't know how many conversations about
00:26:23.260censoring language and what we can and can't say and how we're supposed to interact with each other
00:26:29.600and what civilized society, and I use that term loosely, looks like. But it all goes back to
00:26:36.400people A, a lot of powerful people trying to control the narrative to make society work.
00:26:42.740right we want society to work in a normal society work we want less conflict we want less uprising
00:26:49.520we want less we everybody wants less violence nobody wants violence but what do we do well we
00:26:55.260ignore the reality to pretend as though we have it and all that does is perpetuate the negatives
00:27:03.220right it allows the negatives to breed and to to multiply because we're not we're not addressing
00:27:10.600them so when i was talking about that i don't know how much of the live you heard but it was really
00:27:16.120in relation to florida's laws about k through three um that's why i was having that conversation
00:27:22.440i think um and and because the whole you know the don't say gay bill which it's not what it's called
00:27:28.520but the bill in florida that's trying to control what we talk to k to three about
00:27:35.400and what's interesting or one of the foundational things i found interesting is number one
00:27:40.600the people that created the bill like to pretend and conflate talking about your bodies and talking
00:27:48.780about your gender and talking about your identity to like, oh my God, we're teaching great these0.94
00:27:52.820threes how to have intercourse. Nobody's doing that anywhere, right? But most psychologists1.00
00:28:00.820believe that and have studied that by four years old, kids start to gain a significant portion of
00:28:06.800their gender identity. And so kids can have a strong viewpoint of that. And for us not to talk
00:28:13.940about it at that age, if we're talking about age appropriateness, psychologists are saying this is
00:28:20.140when they start developing that. How do we not speak to that? And not in an educated way, but
00:28:26.340if a little boy walks in and he was born a boy and he walks in and he identifies as a girl, and I'm
00:28:31.960not going to talk about that as a teacher. I can't talk about that to the rest of the kids who are
00:28:35.960like, what? Wait a minute. That's not what my mom told me. My mom told me that boys are he's.
00:28:42.280So that's, you know, or kids that have same-sex parents. They're not, are they not allowed to1.00
00:28:47.800talk about that? Or books. You were just talking about literature, right? Books that have, nobody's
00:28:53.360saying that you shouldn't have a book with a mummy and a daddy in it. Nobody's arguing about that.
00:28:57.560Nobody's going to court and suing about that. But having a book, they want to take books out
00:29:01.980the library that have same-sex parents when they're trying to censor a reality right
00:29:10.540yeah like i think that that that problem has been um because like when we were this was in
00:29:18.880victorian times that we signed the treaty you know like with queen victoria 1877 so you know the once
00:29:25.960the ethnographers had come to us it had been in that time and post victorian area era so there's
00:29:33.560a long history of brushing things under the rug for the west you know and like this kind of uh
00:29:41.000strange purity culture like in like here even um when the mormons had come up here and colonized
00:29:51.560their little area uh cardston they were polygamous at that time but they forget that history or it's
00:29:59.320not that they forget it they don't talk about it it's not it's it's whatever it's something
00:30:03.640that was done in the past yeah and there's this constant kind of um whitewashing of history in
00:30:11.320order to just sort of you know we'll we'll ignore it and it's not it's not a big issue because
00:30:17.560because that's already done. We'll, we'll do whatever, you know,
00:30:20.300like gibbet cages where they used to just like people living or alive,
00:30:24.600just hang them in the streets on these, these metal cages, you know,
00:30:27.760burning people at the stakes, so on and so forth.
00:30:31.720Like there's a lot of stuff that's gone out of fashion, but you know,
00:30:37.840that history of oppression and repression in order to just ignore those parts
00:30:43.940and hopefully it goes away. It doesn't go away. It just,
00:30:47.560makes it weirder you know like you get weird results when you have to um repress this and
00:30:53.840it's it's kind of on topic with what's his face ted cruz and his his anti-racist baby
00:30:58.320oh yeah he's like they're saying this baby's racist you know and there was a fella on tiktok
00:31:04.500who had read the book yeah on his tiktok and it's a short book and reading when once he read it i0.99
00:31:11.820realized right away this book isn't aimed at kids this book is aimed at stupid adults who are too1.00
00:31:19.480stupid to understand they're trying to break it down to you like this is what racism is and they're1.00
00:31:26.960they're trying to do it in a way that's like you are so uninformed that we have to talk to you like1.00
00:31:34.040you're a child and they still don't get it like that's the and i think and i mean when ted cruz
00:31:43.760did that by the way i bought all four books immediately but nonetheless like whatever book
00:31:47.620he held up i said i'm gonna like that book i can tell already um but what i find interesting and
00:31:53.860and we talk about people and i would still say mainstream canadian culture and i would still say
00:32:01.380the majority of people think that by us actually acknowledging actual history, real, just like what
00:32:10.620you've described, right? Like real events that happen. So rather than saying that was never us,
00:32:15.760or we're not talking about that, or we're ripping that chapter out of the book and moving on with
00:32:19.460all the good stuff we've done since. If we can't acknowledge all of it, I'm not even going to
00:32:27.200placate and say history will repeat itself what i am saying is we won't progress well we won't
00:32:35.840progress as quickly as we could have if we would have put all of it on the table all of it the good
00:32:42.060the bad and the ugly we put all of it on the table including like a lot of people especially right now
00:32:48.060you're finding or i'm starting to find um this pendulum right like why all of a sudden it seems
00:32:56.420like all of a sudden you have, you know, don't say gay, you have anti-trans laws, you have
00:33:02.320anti-CRT laws. Now this is predominantly in the United States, but we, it spills over into Canada.
00:33:07.880I saw a guy with a Trump sign just the other day. It spills over into here. And I, and we have our
00:33:13.200own versions and bastions of racism and discrimination, all of our own anyway. But what
00:33:19.600I think we're seeing is this huge push by those communities and real gains being made by the
00:33:25.460trans community by the gay community right by by the black community and and uh black lives matter
00:33:31.040and all of these things and what we're seeing right now is the giant pendulum swinging backwards
00:33:37.200saying no no no that's too much you've got you've gone too far everybody sees these laws as being a
00:33:46.500a sign of of this sort of these movements losing and funnily enough and in a way i see it as winning
00:33:53.680because the only reason they're making the law the only reason they're pushing so hard back
00:34:00.680is because a lot of good people a lot of intelligent people a lot of good-hearted
00:34:06.060people which i think there's more than not are making this push so the only thing they can do
00:34:11.280is try to legislate it away let's quickly criminalize it we'll legislate it away and
00:34:15.960then it will go away but all that's going to happen is another big push from the other side
00:34:19.920right because you don't eradicate things like that i think that in part what they're doing
00:34:26.080with these laws is uh knowing that trump had appointed a few supreme court justices
00:34:32.700that i think they're kind of hoping that it goes to the supreme court
00:34:36.600but there's such a backlog of court cases that they're dealing with that this is going to be a
00:34:43.180fight they know for years to come but like just throttle the system with all of these these
00:34:48.860ridiculous legislations yeah and in the hopes that it'll be one but then meanwhile uh what's
00:34:55.700her name i can't remember her name the the lady that biden is appointing oh jackson jackson jackson0.86
00:35:03.660yeah judge jackson so you know like it looking just sort of outwardly looking at the united
00:35:10.000states it's like man they got a super messed up system and i'm just i i i wish it goes better for
00:35:17.200people there um at the same time it's almost like um it's i i found the united states to be kind of
00:35:25.360a canary for a canary in the mine for canada to see what's coming in the next little bit you know
00:35:32.240i agree and we have that here right and and we have that here in the you know in the guise of
00:35:39.680of gentlemen like jordan peterson and again i don't need to spend too much time talking about
00:35:44.220him but speaking against you know censorship of language and then what does it mean and who's
00:35:51.160trying to do it and what are they trying to do and how are they trying to control you and i had
00:35:54.520a great conversation with one of my friends um because bill c16 are you familiar with that bill
00:36:03.100right the bill that was basically so this is where jordan peterson got a lot of his notoriety and and
00:36:07.940you, this is 2016, where you start to see that push in Canada, or rather the pushback against
00:36:15.860sort of diversity and equity platforms and all of the pushes we've had for all different kinds
00:36:20.800of minorities in this country. And you start to see the pushback. And part of this bill was that,
00:36:27.280And I'm simplifying. You are to address people by the gender pronouns they identify with. Simple, right? And it falls underneath. You can't discriminate on the basis of sex, sexuality, race, ethnicity, yada.
00:36:49.660And they sort of added trends at the end of that very long list.1.00
00:36:53.640And he gets up and says, well, I shouldn't, if I say that you're a he when you're really1.00
00:36:58.600a she or you identify as a she, I shouldn't go to jail for that.1.00
00:37:02.160Well, number one, nobody is going to jail for that.1.00
00:37:08.020So all of a sudden he escalated the punishment, right?
00:37:13.060But I think what it did is it tapped into something.
00:37:17.300And this is why I listen to them, because I'm always curious at what it's tapped into in a silent majority in this country, in a group of people that stay silent, but then start to really agree with and get behind certain ideas and preconceptions or whatever that I thought we were long past.
00:37:42.720And you see that with Trump. Trump didn't create racism in America. He just started hanging out megaphones, metaphorically. He didn't create that sentiment. He made it subtly okay to actually express what you were really feeling.
00:38:03.560right and so when people condemn i can condemn trump with the best of them
00:38:10.080but what i don't mind that happened is it pulled the blanket back on how people are still really
00:38:19.320thinking and i think that that's incredibly important right yeah i i it it's good to
00:38:28.780I think in the grand scheme of things, I'm under the belief, and I may be wrong or this may be a hot take, that I don't know if there would have been a civil rights movement without the horrific things that had happened in World War II.
00:38:58.780interesting i don't know if there would have been such an interest in the rights of human beings
00:39:07.020and worldwide the united nations and our interest in human rights without seeing how far people went
00:39:13.980with world war ii so publicly yeah because if it um because there you know there was horrific
00:39:20.220things happening this entire history but stuff that we didn't see so we didn't see um you know
00:39:26.620the spanish inquisition was 400 years in the making that had happened uh there was uh there
00:39:34.060had been genocides there had been just really really awful stuff that was never appropriately
00:39:40.860documented or recorded so like you could hear about you know some ruler impaling people and
00:39:46.780putting them on their lawn and um you know or lining the road like you you could hear that stuff
00:39:54.940but if you don't actually see it then it doesn't have the same impact you know and i think that
00:40:01.900that was a big huge um that was a huge realization for the world that you know like well we knew of
00:40:08.700concentration camps they did know of them you know like there was people alive there they knew
00:40:14.540they couldn't deny that they didn't know because it was it was known what was going on the anyway
00:40:20.940and it wasn't until they saw you know it wasn't until they saw and then that they were forced to
00:40:27.680see yeah and i think for a little while afterwards the um i remember watching videos of uh your
00:40:35.700everyday nazis were sat down in movie theaters and shown what was going on and the looks of
00:40:42.700some of the horror on people's faces but others were absolutely smug like almost enjoying it in
00:40:49.480a weird way like it was it was so messed up but anyway all that being said is that um
00:40:55.320you know there has to be that kind of uh very visceral you know put a face put a put a name
00:41:03.740on what's going on and really show it and once we see it for how ugly it actually is
00:41:11.020you know we we we change within ourselves if we could appreciate that still like one of my pals0.70
00:41:18.620he was um he was totally a white supremacist neo-nazi type he wore the suspenders and cut
00:41:25.800his hair in the same way wore the jack boots and so on and so forth and what actually changed for
00:41:30.980him was um that he couldn't reconcile his belief in god in creation in christianity and these
00:41:39.460beliefs that he had about white supremacy like at the end of the day he just couldn't reconcile
00:41:44.520all those things and it became one or the other and so he chose um he chose the the flavor that
00:41:54.000he could that he could and you know he's enjoyable to be around sometimes that nazi stuff comes out
00:42:00.000of him like just that out of the back of his mind still but um i'll just quickly make fun of him and
00:42:07.160and we'll have a conversation about it well it's it's interesting because i think and and we talk
00:42:13.260a lot of people talk about physical violence but and then very recently i think a lot of people
00:42:17.980have been very much fixated and focused on language and the power of language like a
00:42:24.140taking a person's language as you incredibly well know is genocide and and it's and it's genocide
00:42:31.020from a from a cultural perspective but you eradicate those people nonetheless if you if
00:42:35.500you decimate their language and then being able to use language in today's context in order to
00:42:41.580create hatred, in order to incite violence, in order to set up the precursors to, you know,0.51
00:42:51.580just crime or hate crimes or genocide. And I see them all as actual steps, just in a,
00:42:58.820you know, in a progression of, I used to, I took a course on genocide, which was, you know,
00:43:05.640really hard to get through. But one of the, they talk about the template, the template of a genocide
00:43:11.420is the same everywhere. And the very first thing you do, the very first thing you have to do
00:43:17.120is you dehumanize a person or a group of people with language in order to make them,
00:43:25.980to paint them as subordinate beings. Because you have to convince everybody else that they are
00:43:32.480less than. And whether we're talking about the Jews in Germany, whether we're talking about0.96
00:43:36.800the Vietnamese and Japanese in the East, whether we're talking about indigenous people, you have
00:43:42.260to paint them as less than. And that language that people just discount as free speech, as
00:43:49.180whatever you want, that language is the first step. So a friend of mine and I were talking about this
00:43:56.440whole, should language be censored? Should it be dictated? Should it be enforced by the government?
00:44:04.000And my point is this. First of all, nobody's getting thrown in jail for saying a word. That's never happening. What we were focused on was in academic institutions, if you are a professor and you insist upon calling, for example, a young trans woman he because, you know, they used to be a he and that's just where your principles lie and you're not willing to change for them.
00:44:29.720A lot of people don't see that as the potential and the spark of violence unless you're trans, right?
00:44:39.200And a friend of mine is like, well, you can't force that.0.65
00:44:41.040I said, okay, given the same parameters, are you allowed to use the N-word when talking about Black students?
01:00:42.240This is why they sent missionaries in first.
01:00:45.240Why they always sent missionaries in first is because it's a lot easier to get the people to believe in what you believe in.
01:00:52.920because you could find like paintings of saint george and quetzalcoatl saint george overtaking
01:00:59.740the dragon um this is where hunting for easter eggs came from in jesus you know jesus comes out
01:01:07.200of the tomb and sees his shadow and we have winter for six months um that's not how it goes but
01:01:12.680they obviously had come version well they had obviously come into contact with people whose
01:01:20.620ceremony was because the eggs are the first available protein in the spring yeah so there
01:01:29.260is a there was a culture of people who would go out there and have an egg hunting ceremony to get
01:01:34.380the first available protein happens around the spring when the rabbits are still white
01:01:39.740so they took these cultural symbols and put them into their own stuff which the catholics
01:01:46.620have a huge yeah in order to get them to assemble say so look we're just like you we have these
01:01:52.560things as well we believe what you believe so come and join the real faith right so they send
01:01:59.580missionaries in because it's very very expensive to just have all-out war with people why have all
01:02:07.560out war with them when you could turn them to fighting for you first so send the missionaries
01:02:13.960in first because then they'll they'll turn and it'll avoid a costly warrant so they want that
01:02:21.320to happen but that's not what happened with us we continued on our ways and we were forced0.73
01:02:27.480to adopt stuff from them but essentially it was blackfoot people then to blackfoot people now
01:02:36.920being coerced into adapting for survival you know so this idea of losing culture isn't necessarily0.76
01:02:45.800the thing it's that we had had to adapt we changed you know it's it's a changing of culture that it
01:02:54.680happened right and that changing of culture that had happened is um because we're still directly
01:03:01.240you know the lineage is still directly to to our old people and the lineage is still directly there
01:03:10.200however it has been it's it's a new context that we're in now and you know for good or ill
01:03:20.600as much as i don't like it this is still the reality of the situation you know and that's
01:03:26.360i think something that people also don't seem to understand and this is going back to jordan
01:03:31.480peterson this is going back to that alt-right idea of taking the argument out here set up the
01:03:38.600parameters out here and be very busy talking about this while the reality is still happening
01:03:45.960you know while the reality is going on it creates that tangent that that othering
01:03:52.440And I think it's obviously specifically done because if I can keep your arguing and I can keep your attention out here, life as I like it or as I know it can continue on. Right? If I'm arguing up here, we don't change this, whatever this is in whatever capacity.
01:04:08.440capacity. I know I've had you on here for a long time, but I want to ask you a quick opinion about
01:04:12.920what's just happened with the group of Indigenous people that have gone to Rome and the apology from
01:04:20.280the Pope. How do you see that? What's your takeaway from that? Like right now, like I didn't
01:04:32.180think he'd apologize, to be honest. When I heard about this, I'm like, he's not saying sorry. So
01:04:36.640I was a little surprised by that. Not that that really is this huge life altering thing, but what,
01:04:41.880what do you think about that? Cause that's language, right? And it's, it's language that's
01:04:46.640never been spoken before for some reason. Do you, do you think that has significance or do you think
01:04:52.900it's just lip service? Well, it's a big one, right? I don't like, I haven't even spoke about
01:05:05.160it much because I can't quite grasp. One of the men from our reserve, he was appointed a judge
01:05:14.780actually in Alberta. He was a lawyer and they used to call him chief when he was in residential
01:05:23.200school. He later became a lawyer and he was appointed a judge. And I think he is actually
01:05:29.100kind of sick now so he's not really working but there was an older priest who he had met at some
01:05:35.820dinner like after becoming a lawyer and so this guy had a big ring on he would wear this big ring
01:05:42.300like like with a kind of a big jewel on it and the priest saw his ring and he said oh can i see your
01:05:47.100ring and so he goes sure because he knew the priest from when they're in residential school
01:05:53.340so the priest took the ring and he looked at it and he put it on his finger he looked at it
01:06:19.140The priests had full control, even in town.
01:06:23.600the priest in this city would influence the mayor because they were catholic so the mayor would have
01:06:31.100a problem or the priest wanted something done he would go and he would tell the the mayor what to
01:06:36.800do so there was a time when the catholic church had this real unquestionable power over society
01:06:47.200and in the last while lethbridge has become more of a mormon place you know there's there's a big
01:06:53.100mormon influence um but i what i've noticed about the catholic church is that that unquestionable
01:07:01.900unquestionable power that they had they no longer have like that for some reason or another
01:07:11.100that power has shifted and i think a lot of priests um you know maybe jesuits or people
01:07:19.500who study at the vatican or in the vatican they'll tell you it's because uh you know it's not old
01:07:25.740church values or the devil has infiltrated the church and there's people who are possessed who
01:07:30.620are now leading it they'll have all of these sorts of um all of these sorts of explanations
01:07:37.420what i personally think it is is that you give power whatever you're giving your time and effort
01:07:43.740to you're giving physical life force to it you're giving power to it and so because people were
01:07:51.260forced to be in catholic church on sunday they were giving their life power to the church from
01:07:56.720the ground up and it's because that they were collected in that building that they gave that
01:08:02.480their energy to it they gave their life to it literally and now that's not happening there
01:08:08.860aren't people the pews aren't full everywhere you know like there's fewer and fewer people
01:08:13.900because they can't reconcile again like my even my neo-nazi friend they can't reconcile
01:08:19.760their beliefs with this what has happened what we found out about um the
01:08:28.680i think the movie the exorcist is actually about child abuse it's about how adults fail children
01:08:40.560and every adult in that movie fails the girl some way if you paid close attention to the
01:08:50.960subtext yeah yeah and there's even the psychiatrists they were outright abusing her the the mother was
01:08:59.500neglectful the father was really neglectful and in the book it's even kind of more obvious that
01:09:05.020I think it's different ways that people fail their children and that it is it's about child
01:09:10.880abuse and that's why the old priest dies because I think they're kind of suggesting that once he
01:09:17.900sends the young priest out of the room, the girl's tied to the bed, he puts his hand, he holds her
01:09:22.560hand. I think that it's suggested that Father Marin, the old priest, is a pedophile priest.0.60
01:09:28.840And that in that moment where you don't see what's going on, where he dies. Because when exorcists
01:09:35.240go into an exorcism, they have to fast and pray beforehand. No food or water, they pray beforehand.
01:09:41.620and they're willing to live they they have to put their life on the line the person who's
01:09:49.280possessed puts their life on the line the exorcist puts their life on the line and who they want to
01:09:55.180walk away is this invading entity so because he died the old priest i think that he had done his
01:10:04.020misconduct and that was his last chance that's why he died anyway there's themes of abuse all over
01:10:13.100the exorcist and that was something that at that time in 19 the late 60s when it was written
01:10:20.5401973 when it was made 74 they weren't talking about that they weren't talking about the
01:10:28.900the abuse there were some people who were unquieted tones but they were certainly punished
01:10:35.360if they had brought this up their experience up so it wasn't until well into the 90s that we had
01:10:43.140any sort of whiff of what the church was up to historically when people started talking about
01:10:49.620like hey what about this you know so only now do we realize that there has been a very
01:10:59.620lengthy history of child abuse within the catholic church like just from the top down
01:11:07.160if i'm not mistaken that's why cardinal ratzinger resigned as pope
01:11:12.120because he was subpoenaed by the international criminal court to answer for um because they
01:11:20.440at the end of the paper trail he was the one cardinal ratzinger was the one who was moving
01:11:25.020pedophile priests around different diocese giving the order so the icc had subpoenaed him to answer
01:11:32.440for this so he stepped down and it was around easter so my joke at that time was oh i guess
01:11:36.980the pope gave up being pope for lent but um that's how we got pope francis so if i'm not mistaken
01:11:46.720there could be other explanations that people may have had that's from what i understand had happened
01:11:51.460anyway so with this apology i think it's definitely meaningful coming from
01:12:04.000who we're dealing with you know like I started off with that story of that priest who had just
01:12:10.700like wrapped the head of this full-grown man because that was the kind of power that he had
01:12:16.900that was the kind of abuse that he could wield unquestioned he's just like oh I could hit you
01:12:21.420over the head anytime I want to you know and the kind of stuff that they did um you know like I've
01:12:30.140been collecting residential school stories from my aunts and from older people and there's some
01:12:36.580really truly horrific stuff that um people have no idea about like absolutely no idea about
01:12:45.400and for what they had gotten away with for so long having this apology and admitting that
01:12:53.980they're wrong that's a huge thing given the history of who they are you know that that's a
01:13:01.120pretty big deal given given what they have become you know not even just what they say about
01:13:08.520themselves yep but just given what they've done what they do and so that alone I think is a huge
01:13:18.660thing how an apology is fine what i would like to see is that all of the land holding that they
01:13:25.860have in canada in the united states all of the land holdings that they have give it to the
01:13:31.620indigenous people whose land that is there we go that's that would be there's the there's the
01:13:38.260apology right there's the there's the i'm really sorry and i watched it and it did seem you know
01:13:43.780And I, whether it was heartfelt from him, the fact that the institution decide that's huge, but you have to have, there has to be action. And I would agree with, I would agree with the illegitimacy and the symmetry of that action.
01:14:00.260You know, like it seems it's not over, you know, it's not like this ridiculous set of reparations that nobody can.
01:14:31.100And so what had happened was that just before that had happened, there was a class action lawsuit of residential school survivors who had gotten together.
01:14:43.480So the Harper government quickly calculated that if they do a class action lawsuit and are on the hook, they knew full well they're on the hook for probably billions, if not into trillions of dollars, given the amount of survivors that there are and the atrocities done.
01:15:02.240So what they decided to do is like, OK, there's no way out of this.
01:28:54.080And, you know, maybe it's been Russia the whole time, too.
01:28:57.340I kind of believe that, you know, because the order in order to destabilize
01:29:02.700the west introduce this infighting you know because that's always been the divide and conquer
01:29:10.140kind of way get them arguing about things that uh isn't that the nature of colonization
01:29:17.660isn't that the nature of taking a people over i mean it's the nature it is it is the very nature
01:29:24.380and i think and i appreciate i thank you so much for sharing the stories that you shared i know a
01:29:30.460a lot of them, well, all of them are incredibly personal and incredibly important because
01:29:35.640I think when they speak about the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and they focus on
01:29:43.880teachers, I think the way we need to focus on education is through those stories, is through
01:29:51.420that personal history. It's not through analysis. It's not through, you know, getting wrapped up in
01:29:57.240words. It's to listen to those stories that actually happen to people, sit and shut up and
01:30:06.000hear them. And I think that's the most impressive, amazing, powerful form of education that everybody
01:30:16.800in power is so horribly afraid of because they can't control the narrative, because they can't
01:30:23.520control the, and then we lived happily ever after because we ain't there, but we have to hear those
01:30:30.540stories. And we're so quick to, it's not now, it's not now, it's not now. Forget it's not now.
01:30:36.040Listen to what was at the very least. How about that? Stop arguing about what's now to discount
01:30:43.480what was and listen to those stories from a multitude of sources. You would have stories
01:30:52.080from the Blackfoot, from the Cree, from the Ojibwe, from all over the place, from African
01:30:56.800Americans, from women, from gay and lesbian. You start seeing these stories form and instead of
01:31:03.800outrightly discounting them to prove a narrative, shut up and listen. Well, that's the intentional
01:31:10.180thing because to get to now, you had to go through these steps. This is why people are talking about
01:31:16.480that history is because that history leads to now so if you're discounting that history
01:31:22.240then you can't be truthful about the now and on that i think that should be on a shirt by the way
01:31:30.420on that amazing without you know without summarizing too much on that amazing end note i
01:31:37.780would like to thank you so much for being a an hour and a half i mean i i have a feeling we
01:31:42.240could probably sit here for about five hours but we'll do a part two we'll do a part two um part
01:31:47.720seven uh i want to thank you marty for being here um i am going to put all the places people can
01:31:53.580find you if you want to give them just a quick synopsis of where they can listen to you and
01:31:57.660where they can gain access to you all right that's where i'm at lately uh i also have instagram
01:32:04.440and what's your thing i think instagram is m heavyhead and then on tiktok it's uh martin
01:32:13.900heavyhead jr i think there we go i will put them both in the comment section below um but
01:32:21.160again i'll let you check that again i'm incredibly um just thankful that somebody with your and and
01:32:30.720And what also amazes me is that you have this breadth of knowledge that seems to go from the Middle Ages to Blackfoot history to U.S. constitutional history.
01:32:40.460I mean, you're all over the place because you understand, like most very intelligent people, is the pieces don't make sense, but the picture does.
01:32:48.900So you got to learn as many possible pieces as you can in order to construct a truth that is closer to reflective of, you know, of the whole thing.