Unlearn16: Class is in Session - February 27, 2024


The One Where We Get Brave

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00:00:00.000 classes in session hey everybody and welcome to unlearn 16 classes in session um so i've got
00:00:10.720 myself in a little bit of trouble on twitter and on tick tock the only place that doesn't yell at
00:00:16.960 me consistently is pretty much instagram but nonetheless the trouble's different okay so on
00:00:23.440 TikTok, I usually respond to people's relatively, let's say, aggressive or discriminatory or rude
00:00:32.000 comments. And I do it sarcastically. And then people get mad and they report it. And I don't
00:00:39.520 get it taken down. I just have to deal with the whole process because I always cover their name
00:00:43.220 because heaven forbid, nobody wants to be anybody's bully. So there's that going on on TikTok. But at
00:00:49.740 the same time, interestingly enough, it's not a lot of hate on TikTok. Like, I don't find the
00:00:57.300 vitriol the same that there is on Twitter, because then I roll over to Twitter, and I recently made
00:01:04.500 a post about Next Benedict. It's hard. I always want to say with a T at the end. I just made a
00:01:13.600 TikTok about their passing, about what led up to it. And in all fairness, assumptions, right?
00:01:22.660 You make assumptions about what's going on in that school, what's going on in that district. I think
00:01:26.120 relatively intelligent deductions, let's say, rather than assumptions. But that's not really
00:01:34.580 the point. Because as I got on that three-minute Twitter or TikTok ramble, I made a very specific
00:01:45.420 point to say this. I didn't get on there to blame Libs of TikTok. I didn't get on there to blame
00:01:51.580 whatever her name is that just got appointed to the board in Oklahoma, even though she lives in 1.00
00:01:57.360 New York. I didn't blame individual, like the superintendent of the schools or the principal
00:02:03.340 of the school or the politicians in Oklahoma or, you know, all of these very specific people
00:02:10.080 about this specific incident. And I did that on purpose because the more that we just focus on
00:02:17.340 one particular thing, it makes it sound like a lone attack. It makes it sound like it's just her
00:02:28.080 or it's just him or it's just the two of them that caused the circumstances or the culture
00:02:33.600 or the reality that enabled, that stoked, that brought forth whatever kind of violence that
00:02:42.340 we're talking about. Forget the very specific instance because we can go back and forth all
00:02:51.060 we want. None of us were there. Forget that for a second. Can we all just step back and accept
00:02:57.860 there's a rising level of hate maybe i won't even lead with hate because i'm going to lead
00:03:07.560 with something more insidious there is a rising level of dehumanization of people within the
00:03:16.380 united states and yes it's seeping up into canada and in different parts of the world dehumanization
00:03:21.540 of the trans community of the lgbtq community of the allied community there's this dehumanization
00:03:31.780 that is going on and when i see this going on as somebody who has studied history this is the
00:03:38.660 first step the dehumanization the vilification it's the first step to violence and and i don't
00:03:48.500 need to prove instances of i'm i'm simply going to say this is how it all begins um and you can
00:03:57.500 go back to you know carthage which is like the first documented case of genocide you can speak
00:04:04.780 obviously about the holocaust you can speak about what's going on in different parts of the world
00:04:09.840 in cambodia um you know when it comes to our indigenous part look you can go all over the
00:04:16.380 place. And here's what you're going to have in common. You're going to have a dehumanization,
00:04:23.820 a group or a culture that is going to be looking for a scapegoat, a scapegoat to say,
00:04:33.120 your life is bad because of X, because of these people. Okay. That's the first step. The second
00:04:42.440 step is when you point to those people, you figure out how to dehumanize them, how to make them less
00:04:50.180 of a person, how to make their opinions, their voices, their sheer existence, either fraudulent
00:04:58.920 or destructive to the actual culture that we exist in. And then you're going to go one step
00:05:07.780 further because they always go one step further you're gonna say it's these
00:05:11.320 people it's this group and their allies that are coming after your kids and as
00:05:17.860 soon as you press that button as soon as you press the and they're gonna come
00:05:22.020 after your kids button it creates a rise from the pit of your stomach as a parent
00:05:31.360 as a, you know, anybody who wants to protect kids, it creates this rise of vitriol and sort
00:05:39.080 of this instantaneous jump to defense. And this instantaneous jump to defense in all of these
00:05:47.920 situations is always predicated on a lack of actual education, on a lack of actual awareness.
00:05:57.620 that's the bottom line right you point to a group of people that is less than I think 0.01 percent
00:06:07.520 like it's an ridiculous percentage and then you say it's them they're the problem and so most 0.97
00:06:15.680 people have no actual education they have no actual understanding they are ignorant to that 1.00
00:06:23.440 particular, the trans community, they're ignorant to them. They do not have friends. They are not 1.00
00:06:27.880 embedded in the community. They have never talked to anybody in a significant way, right? They've
00:06:32.920 watched one Matt Walsh, horrifically contrived documentary. I can't even, using the word
00:06:42.180 documentary when it comes to that gets stuck in my throat. They've watched Candace Owens break it 1.00
00:06:47.320 all down and come up with all of these stats about detransitioning. Because they are looking 1.00
00:06:53.880 for a villain. And of course they are. Because people, and again, I'm not just focused on one,
00:07:02.400 but people are searching for a villain. They are searching for the bad guy, the lone gunman,
00:07:08.620 to point their finger at and say, it's them. And if we tackle that, if we deconstruct that
00:07:18.960 and bring them down and tear them from their whatever kind of thought process that we think
00:07:27.080 is so incredibly destructive, everybody's going to be better for it. So when you dehumanize the
00:07:32.940 trans community, you're not just dehumanizing their identity, which you are. They're literally
00:07:40.120 looking these people in the face. And we're not just talking grown adults. Obviously, we're talking
00:07:45.240 about teens and people coming into their adult status and saying, you aren't real. Your thoughts,
00:07:54.220 your feelings, your identity, your everything about who you think you are is actually fraction
00:08:02.700 They are now just writing it off to mental disorder after mental disorder that needs to be solved, that needs to be medicated, that needs to be institutionalized.
00:08:12.800 Oh, what a great way to take the voice away from an entire community. 0.97
00:08:20.820 You call them crazy. 0.88
00:08:22.620 You call their allies groomers. 0.97
00:08:25.320 you call, you know, their family members abusers, you figure out a way to use language to manipulate,
00:08:39.640 to sideline, to ignore actual evidence and actual conversations of the lives that all of these
00:08:52.140 people are living. And why is that? You know, in my Twitter or my TikTok rant, I pointed to a lot
00:09:02.120 of things. And so when I went through it, I pointed as this cumulative sort of end result that we are
00:09:09.440 pushing from all of these different angles. As for example, we take women's right to control their 0.97
00:09:17.300 own body away. We talk about women's sports as we want to protect it, although we've never 0.81
00:09:23.640 spoken about it or funded it or supported it before. We talk about all of this washroom crime 1.00
00:09:29.460 that, let's be honest, hasn't happened from a single trans person. I haven't seen a single 0.98
00:09:34.780 documented case where this is an epidemic. I have seen a lot of sexual assault that has been
00:09:42.200 perpetrated or that has been evidence-based research from cis straight men. I've seen that 0.98
00:09:53.940 evidence, but we want to push that away, right? Because if we really look at where the violence
00:09:59.080 is coming from, it's the mainstream culture. If it's coming from the mainstream culture,
00:10:04.920 how do we fix it? The mainstream isn't easy to oppress. The mainstream isn't easy to silence.
00:10:11.440 The mainstream, unfortunately, has been the foundational creation of our society and culture. And the push against that is where we're starting to see this violent pushback.
00:10:26.340 So we have things like taking women's rights away. And by the way, citing biblical references, which is the most asinine thing I've ever heard, which leads me to my second point. We then start seeing individuals weaponize faith and religion in order to reduce democratic institutions and applications. 0.89
00:10:49.680 I am in no way talking about taking away anybody's right to practice in their heart, in their homes, whatever faith that speaks to them.
00:10:59.000 I am absolutely saying it has no place in policy.
00:11:02.780 It has no place in lawmaking.
00:11:04.640 Because if we are to have freedom of religion, we need to have freedom from religion.
00:11:10.560 Any rational thinker would agree to that.
00:11:14.380 Also, I pointed out, obviously, Donald Trump.
00:11:17.060 Listen, I don't think he's the foundation of this ideology.
00:11:21.480 I sure think that his grab him by the, and then he got elected.
00:11:27.500 Everybody pointed to Donald Trump about that. 0.99
00:11:29.940 What a horrible guy. 1.00
00:11:31.060 What a horrible guy. 0.99
00:11:32.000 I can't believe he's manipulating and he's doing all this to our culture.
00:11:36.920 You know, when he talked about the Proud Boys and he supported, you know, they're good guys too.
00:11:41.700 All of that, guys, I hate to be the bearer of bad news.
00:11:47.060 But that's not a condemnation of Trump.
00:11:50.240 That's a condemnation of 70 million people who believed him.
00:11:54.700 That's a condemnation of people who were waiting for somebody in a position of power
00:12:00.300 to open up the doors to that kind of overt bigotry, discrimination, oppression,
00:12:08.780 and said, go ahead.
00:12:11.440 It's all free speech, guys.
00:12:13.180 Go have a good time.
00:12:14.220 now it's funny a lot of people would think i would look at that and think oh if we only didn't have
00:12:23.240 that if he only didn't rise to power and i do use the term rise it's very emperor-esque if he didn't
00:12:31.440 rise to power we wouldn't have had all the problems yes we would have yes we would have
00:12:36.860 They would have been more silent
00:12:39.800 They would have been underground
00:12:42.120 It's kind of like
00:12:44.720 You get a guy like Trump or whoever
00:12:47.620 You know
00:12:48.560 All of these people with their very prolific podcasts
00:12:52.780 And fake news media outlets
00:12:55.020 Shouting from the rooftops
00:12:57.220 And you see their following base rise
00:12:59.900 And everybody's like, how dare they do that?
00:13:02.400 No, no
00:13:02.780 They're not doing that
00:13:06.860 they are reflecting a culture and an idea and a identity that already exists and they're doing it
00:13:16.140 to make money and gain power it's a reflection of part of who we are that is the most troubling
00:13:27.340 you can't point at him and say how dare he no no no how dare we how dare we stand around and
00:13:34.060 let books be burned how dare we let people make criminal libelous and slander-ridden claims
00:13:44.380 against individuals being predators or being abusers and nothing happens are you joking
00:13:53.340 how dare we let these people have such a voice wait for it because i'm not talking about
00:14:04.920 censorship because i say let the potatoes speak how dare we let these people have voices
00:14:09.200 and we don't have an equal and strong and oppositional voice to stand up for the truth
00:14:19.360 than what they do. That's on us. A bunch of people decided to sell out maybe who they were,
00:14:30.480 maybe where they came from, maybe their very identity in and of itself, or they decided to
00:14:35.380 cash in on their identity amidst all of this of a reality, of a reflection of culture.
00:14:44.900 They're making money off these millions of people who weren't convinced to think this way,
00:14:51.360 who already thought that way, and were looking desperately for somebody to echo it in intellectual
00:14:57.000 and strong and with a microphone in front of themselves, Jordan Peterson kind of way.
00:15:06.180 That's what they were doing.
00:15:08.080 And what did we do?
00:15:09.560 We sat and reacted.
00:15:11.220 We sat and reacted.
00:15:14.180 we sat and reacted to the things they had to say rather than standing up and citing and stipulating
00:15:24.740 and making our voices heard because by the way i think there's way more us than there is of them
00:15:30.580 making our voices heard on the other side of the fence how how haven't we done that
00:15:37.780 you ban books are you fine ban books you know what community should have done
00:15:44.180 gotten together, got one of those like little bookmobiles, put it down the street from a high
00:15:49.460 school saying, listen, all those books they banned, if you want to buy them right here.
00:15:56.340 You know, you start banning kids and putting kids in harm's way. And in some states,
00:16:03.980 adults in harm's way by making them use the bathroom that they were biologically born into
00:16:15.140 rather than how they identify. And let me be very clear, how the whole world perceives them for the 0.70
00:16:20.340 most part. And then when violence occurs, who are we blaming? Who are we blaming here?
00:16:29.200 we we are so bent on talking about people's chromosomes so bent on talking about where
00:16:40.700 they belong and where they don't belong and and we're not at all acknowledging
00:16:45.460 how people perceive them how society functions and how they're trying to simply fit into that
00:16:56.400 to some degree. Now, Nex wasn't because they're non-binary, but trying to fit into that and try
00:17:01.760 to do it safely and try to do it with a certain level of, you know, clear expectation of what
00:17:11.020 they're getting themselves into. A lot of people look at me and think that, you know, I speak about
00:17:15.640 trans issues, which I speak about human rights. So let me be very clear about that. And when I
00:17:21.660 speak about trans rights, I'm simply stating that every person deserves to be safe, respected,
00:17:30.540 and have all of the human rights afforded to the rest of us. Now, are we all always safe? Of course
00:17:38.480 we're not. I am simply making a statement. People say, well, what would you say to a kid? Well,
00:17:43.340 listen, that's not my job, right? It's not my job to tell anybody, adult or teenager,
00:17:50.420 who they are. It's my job when they tell me who they are to respect that. How is that so freaking
00:17:57.260 hard? How is that so hard? And you have all of these people usurping and trying to usurp because
00:18:03.720 they have a podcast with a microphone in their hand. They're trying to usurp endocrinologists
00:18:08.280 and physicians and child psychologists and the trans community and the parents of trans teens.
00:18:15.160 What are we doing? What are we trying to usurp? Well, I'll tell you, they're not trying to usurp
00:18:22.180 anyway. They're trying to make a boatload of money. That's it. That's it. And it gets to be
00:18:29.520 this issue. It gets to be this issue where they can press on a button that has shaken everybody's
00:18:40.140 core. Because let's be perfectly honest, the number one form of socialization for all of us,
00:18:47.280 I don't care where you were born, it is little boys are like this and little girls are like this.
00:18:54.600 There's a reason when a kid is born, we throw a pink hat on one and a blue hat another.
00:18:59.900 Instantaneously, we decide. Instantaneously, we use different words to describe them.
00:19:05.980 instantaneously our voice changes when we speak to them instantaneously we buy them toys and clothes
00:19:12.380 that reflect what we believe their personalities will be as associated with their sex i'm not
00:19:20.500 arguing sex here guys but we have been shoving gender down everybody's throat forever
00:19:25.740 and all of a sudden we have groups of individuals now pushing back and people like well why is
00:19:33.700 there's so many now. I'll tell you why. Because we've established or are trying to establish
00:19:41.340 safe space. The more safe space you can establish, the more people can feel comfortable and safe to
00:19:47.240 be who they've always been. That is not to say that the idea of a trend hasn't existed forever.
00:19:55.740 Of course it has. In different cultures, in different places, in different contexts.
00:20:01.280 but we've allowed this sort of hate and bigotry to grow to an epic level
00:20:10.780 and as violence comes out of that people are going to look at the individual acts of violence
00:20:19.760 as though they happened on their own or they've happened as a result of one person or two people
00:20:25.960 but it's not. It's not. It's a result of millions of people. It's a result of millions of people
00:20:35.540 being desperate, being afraid, being scared, being uneducated. And those millions of people
00:20:42.560 are looking to point a finger at a group of individuals and say, it is them. They're the
00:20:50.320 problem. Well, that's how it always starts. It always starts with people trying to figure out
00:21:02.180 which minority, which small group of people is easy to cast out, is easy to blame, is easy to
00:21:10.060 demonize, to put that little scarlet letter on their chest, to put the star on their arm,
00:21:16.960 to put whatever marker that we possibly can to quickly identify,
00:21:22.180 marginalize, dehumanize, and then eradicate.
00:21:26.040 And you got to think, well, if you do that, what next?
00:21:30.060 Well, then they pick another enemy.
00:21:32.480 They pick another small group.
00:21:36.120 You know, I'm not saying there's nothing to be afraid of in this world.
00:21:39.120 I'm not saying there's not violence.
00:21:40.440 I'm not saying there's not mental health issues.
00:21:42.100 I'm not saying any of that.
00:21:43.380 I am simply saying that when we point to one group as the sole cause and proprietor, as the, you know, without looking at the individual, that's when we start having and seeing and waging significant levels of violence.
00:22:05.280 I would love to sit here and say that, you know, education's it.
00:22:10.080 Well, what's happened in the last 20 years when it comes to education, when it comes to information, is it's all been really turned on its head.
00:22:19.660 It's kind of interesting how we have the invention and the prolification of the Internet and all of this amazing access to all of this information and all of this education.
00:22:32.800 And all of a sudden it was like Gutenberg printing press.
00:22:35.660 You kind of uncorked the genie from the bottle.
00:22:38.140 now, now go, go see all of this information. And then we're met with a lot of information
00:22:46.240 that isn't supported, that is opinion, a lot of denial of information, just, just for simple
00:22:52.000 denial. A lot of pretending on, you know, the mass population understands clinical and scientific
00:22:59.040 studies, or they understand legal systems and mechanisms and, and they're discounting these
00:23:05.520 and accepting those, it really is fascinating how the growth of knowledge on the internet
00:23:12.060 has led to the questioning of all knowledge. That's no different than what would have happened
00:23:20.620 after Gutenberg, right? Gutenberg invents the printing press, 1400. Printing press gets
00:23:26.880 invented. They start mass producing what? Number one book that was mass produced.
00:23:35.520 the Bible. So the Bible gets mass-produced. And as the Bible gets mass-produced, you actually have
00:23:43.420 the end of Roman Catholic control. Well, why? Because people could read it for themselves.
00:23:53.100 They could read it for themselves and come up with their own determination.
00:23:56.460 determination about what and again please do not take this as a as a attack on any religious
00:24:07.580 principle but but now we're going to argue about the interpretation of a book and who is right and
00:24:17.220 who is wrong and we're going to give somehow weight and evidence-based fact to talk about faith
00:24:25.620 there's no knowledge there there's no there's no proving or disproving it's all belief but the
00:24:38.160 first book that was ever mass printed and and the book and and it continues to be religion in general
00:24:44.140 that we're going to fight about and we're going to use as actual fact to attempt in in history to
00:24:51.980 run societies, and in this time to attempt to run societies, we are going to argue interpretation
00:24:57.280 and fact based on a book that nobody can prove, that nobody can disprove. What are we doing?
00:25:08.720 Is this what knowledge has become, my belief versus your belief?
00:25:13.820 You know, Stephen Fry is probably one of the most impressive people to me, and I would absolutely,
00:25:18.900 Maybe one day. One day I'll have the opportunity to speak to him because he's an empiricist. He's an empiricist. And what that means is he judges the outcome. Your intent doesn't really matter. Your belief doesn't really matter. What is the outcome?
00:25:40.680 And if the outcome is bad, then we need to change the structure. We need to change what we've done. Our intent doesn't matter because the outcome is bad.
00:25:52.160 And what I'm saying to you is the way that we're going about educating, the way we are going to about using the Internet and rising this level of division and hate and belief as a driving force about what is to be done and how it's to be done.
00:26:13.080 How are you supposed to ever argue somebody out of their belief, even when it's causing harm?
00:26:17.900 unless you're going to use the harm as proof of the failed belief
00:26:24.220 you know so i also want to say this
00:26:30.340 if we just stand there and point fingers which is why i didn't i tried not to i can i can point
00:26:40.460 fingers finger fingers towards certain people that have like has a really big microphone because
00:26:45.800 guess what? That's a lot of power. That's a lot of power. And it's a lot of sort of focused
00:26:51.120 lightning, right? So the more that you do that, and the more that you raise those kind of flags,
00:26:57.000 and the more that you utilize the voice that you have in order to stoke those flames, because you
00:27:02.000 know, it's going to gain you more power, you know, it's going to gain you more money. And heck,
00:27:07.940 you might even believe it. But belief isn't fact, and it isn't truth.
00:27:15.020 And unless we start dealing in what is, and what the ramifications are, and what we've seen
00:27:21.680 happening, and what violence, and what bigotry, and what dehumanization is currently going on
00:27:28.980 right now, until we can accept that as reality, that is truth, we are seeing it happen,
00:27:34.360 we will never start to challenge those beliefs
00:27:39.540 and we won't end or we won't calm or we won't figure out a way to exist to to
00:27:50.240 galvanize education and intelligence and empathy and caring and community and all of those things
00:28:02.680 If we don't learn how to galvanize that, if we don't learn how to focus on those things, we will destroy ourselves.
00:28:09.240 It'll be very much a self-fulfilling prophecy, but it's not going to be happening because of that community.
00:28:13.520 It's going to happen because a whole group of people decided that their lives were better yesterday.
00:28:21.200 And they're looking to blame a group of people for why it's not as good today.
00:28:25.620 And when somebody gives them a scapegoat, when somebody hands it to them on a silver platter and says, it's them, and you pick up your pitchforks and you go charging too, that's when we destroy ourselves.
00:28:43.440 That's when the violence escalates.
00:28:45.940 That's when everything starts to fall.
00:28:50.380 More conversations need to be had between people.
00:28:55.620 differently-minded people with the focus on the the empirical evidence the end result
00:29:05.960 the application rather than focusing on the belief and if we could all just admit for a minute
00:29:13.720 that faith is a beautiful thing that is in your heart it just does not have a place to run policy
00:29:19.840 and law in politics we'd have a good basis because then we can actually start talking about reality
00:29:29.440 not personal belief and if we can talk about reality if we can talk about what is
00:29:35.360 and a lot of people will be like oh joanna you know you're talking about
00:29:39.600 a man pretending to be a woman and blah blah blah
00:29:42.160 i'm gonna say this as clearly as i can
00:29:49.380 who people are are decided upon by two factors who they believe themselves to be who they feel
00:29:58.120 they are and the way that the world perceives them that it and that's very relativistic
00:30:04.480 and that's identity it's always very relativistic so the more we try to put boxes on people
00:30:11.540 limitations on people and say you do this and you do this and because your chromosome said this and
00:30:16.820 your chromosome said that the more we do that the more fictitional talk about fake the more fake
00:30:24.360 things we are boxing people in on i'm not saying there's any perfection in identity of course there
00:30:31.700 is it? I am saying step back and try to understand what the end result is, what freedom for that
00:30:42.880 individual looks like, and why. Why would we try to limit that, take that away based
00:30:50.220 on whatever belief we happen to have? Think about it. Make your comments as you always
00:30:59.560 do. I appreciate that. And I also would love to propose, drive intelligent conversations by
00:31:10.200 differently minded people who are willing to put their beliefs aside and talk about what is
00:31:16.560 factually and realistically good law that applies equitably and equally across the board to make
00:31:27.780 our society progress grow and strengthen rather than separate divide and let's be honest fail
00:31:37.060 and on that note i will see you guys next week same bat time same bat station dismissed