Vulgar History - September 30, 2026


Anne Boleyn part one: The women who raised her

Elizabeth Barton and the Downfall of Anne Boleyn Anne Boleyn Part Two: Anne Boleyn In Love

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to Vulgar History, a feminist women's history comedy podcast. My name is Anne Foster.
00:00:16.900 I'm a historian and an author, and I've been curious about the Tudors since I was a little
00:00:21.220 girl. This season on the podcast, we're talking about the notorious Tudor era, what the royal
00:00:26.060 family was up to, but also what other people were doing at that time, including people in other
00:00:30.180 countries. And today we're talking about a woman who married into the Tudor dynasty, but that
00:00:36.840 doesn't happen in this episode. We're talking about Anne Boleyn. And I think myself, like a lot
00:00:42.020 of people who become interested in the Tudor era, Anne Boleyn was really sort of what got us into it
00:00:47.820 in the first place. What I'm trying to do in this episode is to really focus on what she was up to
00:00:52.840 without doing a lot of like, and little did she know this would happen later. Like Henry VIII
00:00:57.800 appears in this episode, but just as kind of like, he's just the king. Like that's nothing to do with
00:01:02.080 her really. And so this episode is about Anne Boleyn's early years, her time before she joined,
00:01:10.560 before she became a courtier in the court of Henry VIII, et cetera. And it really struck me
00:01:15.680 when I was going through reading about this, how many strong, independent, powerful women were
00:01:21.260 influential on her or around her. It was unusual for this time period, I think, for her to have
00:01:27.660 interacted with so many female role models who are living independent, cool lives. And honestly,
00:01:34.020 I think it'd be rare for today, in 2026, for a young girl to encounter this many role models
00:01:40.080 at such a young age. That's interesting. The sources we're using for this episode today are
00:01:45.320 the recent-ish biography
00:01:47.740 Hunting the Falcon
00:01:48.520 by Julia Fox and John Guy
00:01:50.280 and I looked at that book
00:01:51.620 there's so many biographies
00:01:53.000 of Anne Boleyn
00:01:53.800 this is one
00:01:55.280 it's recent
00:01:56.260 so it's got kind of
00:01:57.660 some of the most recent
00:01:58.780 kind of historical consensus
00:02:00.480 about things like
00:02:01.240 did this really happen
00:02:02.120 or what date did this really happen
00:02:03.360 stuff like that
00:02:04.000 but also because 0.98
00:02:04.920 what Julia Fox did
00:02:06.060 when she was writing this book
00:02:07.120 is she
00:02:08.300 and her writing partner
00:02:09.700 John Guy
00:02:10.200 their whole thing is
00:02:11.580 what I'm trying to do as well
00:02:12.420 just like they re-looked at
00:02:13.600 all of the
00:02:14.480 the archival records, like coming to their own conclusions, not just kind of assuming based on
00:02:18.980 what other books are written. And so I'm really trying to do a fresh, fresh look at the life
00:02:23.560 of Anne Boleyn, one of the most famous women in history. I also confirm some facts here
00:02:29.480 with Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica online. And I'm shouting all these things out just because
00:02:35.740 you might want to read the book, Hunting the Falcon, but also just so you know,
00:02:38.960 AI was not evolved in the creation of this episode. I'm using actual sources.
00:02:42.500 and you know if you're a new listener to this podcast you're like well who's the guest why
00:02:46.500 are you introducing the guest babe there's no guest it's just well there is a guest it's my
00:02:50.520 cat Hepburn she's here directly in front of me but this is a this is a solo episode that's just
00:02:56.840 me and my research telling you a story actually and the other thing I'm going to mention to you
00:03:02.320 is that we've kind of been setting the scene for this with previous episodes this season and previous
00:03:07.180 seasons. So if you scroll back in your podcast app, I did an episode about the Boleyn family
00:03:13.380 with Tracy Borman. And Tracy explained a lot of kind of the background of who the Boleyns were
00:03:19.320 and how they kind of came to prominence and who some of the people were in that family.
00:03:23.280 This episode, I'm going to be referring to a lot of other episodes. If you want to hear
00:03:27.200 about some of the people who mentioned, I'll be like, listen to this, listen to this. But that's
00:03:30.960 just so this episode won't be like six hours long. So scroll back and you can hear more about
00:03:35.840 the Boleyn family and then come back here welcome back so Anne Boleyn was born into a family that
00:03:42.760 was kind of on their headed up they had started started from the bottom now they're here so her
00:03:49.180 father's name was Thomas Boleyn it had been like I think three generations his great-grandfather
00:03:55.920 had gone from being like a guy in the textile biz to like really elevating the family through like
00:04:01.960 some clever marriages to wealthy women um and just like his really his success being a merchant
00:04:07.320 so by the time thomas was born the family was like new money is how they were considered in
00:04:12.280 this era so the great-grandfather kind of like got them up there the grandfather was doing well
00:04:17.100 thomas's father so anne's grandfather william boleyn elevated the boleyns to like like the
00:04:23.700 every generation just got a bit more prestigious and william had gotten them to this like really
00:04:27.960 high level because William Boleyn had married a woman called Margaret Butler. Margaret Butler
00:04:33.620 was the heir to the Earl of Ormond, a wealthy Anglo-Irish peer. And so we talked about her
00:04:40.360 in the episode as Tracy Borman. Again, you can get more information about her there.
00:04:44.460 And I did reference there like, oh, well, she was, you know, Anne Boleyn had an Irish granny,
00:04:48.520 which she did, but it's like Anglo-Irish. And so I do want to clarify that it's not like
00:04:53.300 The Tudors, especially under Henry VIII, really fucked up Ireland in a colonization, genocide type way. And so Anne Boleyn's ancestor, her grandmother, her granny, Margaret Butler, was Anglo-Irish. So this is like an English person who went to Ireland. She's not like an Irish person, but she does have this in her lineage.
00:05:17.640 So Margaret Butler was like a hugely wealthy heiress. William Boleyn marrying her like elevated the family even more. So William Boleyn, Anne's grandpa, he was a courtier in England because, you know, he had this great marriage. He was a prominent person. So he's a courtier actually. And this is how close all this history happened. Like first to Richard III.
00:05:40.880 And if you want to go back to me explaining to you the Wars of the Roses and how the Tudors got on the throne, that's the first episode of this season.
00:05:50.000 But like the Boleyns were on the scene in the background of everything.
00:05:53.120 So like he was a courtier to Richard III.
00:05:55.700 And then that all went south, Richard III's, you know, monarchy.
00:06:02.020 Henry Tudor took over, Henry VII.
00:06:04.580 And then William Boleyn was a courtier to him.
00:06:07.980 In fact, he was just like a popular guy in the scene.
00:06:10.980 In fact, he was there in the background of some very notable events, such as when Catherine of Aragon first arrived from Spain, he was there in the entourage to greet her.
00:06:21.480 So Thomas Boleyn, Anne's father, the oldest son of William Boleyn.
00:06:26.780 And so then he, you know, the Boleyns were already like doing so well, everything's going so well.
00:06:31.960 And then Thomas Boleyn got a really good marriage that got them even more elevated because he married Elizabeth Howard, who is a daughter of the Earl of Surrey. And the Howards, you might know the surname from Henry VIII's later wife, Catherine Howard, those Howards.
00:06:48.460 later on, a century later, there's a notable Howard called Francis Howard. Anyway, the Howards
00:06:54.620 were among the country's most important old nobility. They were like old money. So the 1.00
00:06:59.920 Boleyns are kind of on the upswing, new money, but they're marrying into this family with so many
00:07:05.440 roots and so much prestige. And in fact, so Thomas and Elizabeth, there's a lot of stuff in the early
00:07:12.060 part of Anne Boleyn's life where it's like, what year did this happen? People didn't really write
00:07:15.920 down dates back then. That's just kind of their vibe. But we know that Thomas and Elizabeth were
00:07:21.560 married by 1498 because in 1498, Henry VII, the king traveled through their neighborhood and
00:07:29.120 they hosted him at their home. And hosting the king at your home was like a pretty rare and
00:07:34.340 prestigious thing to get to do. So that kind of shows how high up they were, but also shows like
00:07:38.820 the Boleyns were just like in there, like they were in all the stuff that's happening around the
00:07:45.000 king. Like there's always a Berlin on the scene. So Henry VIII had two sisters. He had a sister 0.93
00:07:51.940 called Margaret and he had a sister called Mary. And guess what? I've done episodes about both of
00:07:56.580 them. So you can scroll and learn more about them. So Henry VIII's older sister, Margaret Tudor,
00:08:03.340 was married off to the king in Scotland. And then that's the lineage where Mary Queen of Scots
00:08:08.400 comes from. And again, I did like a 25 part series about Mary Queen of Scots and I talk about
00:08:12.560 Margaret Tudor there. Anyway, but in terms of this, Thomas Boleyn was part of that entourage
00:08:18.200 that accompanied like to, you know, as like bodyguards slash diplomats when Margaret Tudor
00:08:23.300 went to Scotland to marry the king of Scotland. So the king of Scots, sorry. So Thomas Boleyn
00:08:29.180 just keeps being on the scene. And this is because he was like a really charming guy.
00:08:33.920 He's also really skilled guy. Like he was, he had all the skills of courtier about, you know,
00:08:38.160 just like being able to talk to anybody, just being good at, you know, knowing about books and
00:08:44.500 being able to talk about topics. And he could like speak French, like he was just kind of all
00:08:48.440 the skills you need. So this is why they keep involving him on all these committees. So in
00:08:53.980 1509, Henry VIII becomes king. And Anne's father, Thomas Boleyn, who had been friends with Henry
00:09:00.860 for a while, like he was promoted even further. He became a knight of the bath at the time of
00:09:06.820 Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon's coronation. Anne Boleyn's mom, Elizabeth, was named a lady
00:09:11.860 in waiting to Catherine of Aragon. So, like, the Boleyns are just, like, there. They're on the
00:09:16.040 scene. They're always everywhere. If there was, like, a TMZ of the time, like, there would be a
00:09:20.660 Boleyn in the background constantly. So, during the midst of all of this, like, Henry VIII becoming
00:09:25.420 the king, like, them getting these new prestigious positions, Thomas and Elizabeth, had a bunch of
00:09:30.600 children. Many of them did not survive childhood or infancy, but three of them did. And that's
00:09:36.660 George, Mary, and Anne Boleyn. So again, with the whole like, well, people didn't really write down
00:09:42.600 dates. So most historians at this point that I'm recording assume that Mary was probably the oldest
00:09:50.200 and then Anne and then George. This is what we're guessing based on various contextual clues and
00:09:56.620 stuff and actually if you're curious about like but like if you're astrology girly and you're like
00:10:01.260 what was but what was Anne Boleyn's like rising sun or whatever like guess what we're going to
00:10:05.760 be doing a bonus episode about that later this month because I don't know I don't think I've
00:10:09.560 mentioned like October is Anne Boleyn month we're doing all Anne Boleyn content on vulgar history
00:10:15.220 and that is going to include a special chat with a astrologer about Anne Boleyn's star sign but we
00:10:23.080 don't know when she was born, but she and her siblings were born very close together in the
00:10:28.960 early 1500s. Maybe they were born something like Mary was born in 1499, Anne was born in 1501,
00:10:35.340 George was born in 1503. Like they're all very close in age and they're all born around the year
00:10:39.660 1500. So when Anne was about five years old in 1505, the grandfather, William, died. And this
00:10:48.680 led to a sort of like family uh like a lot of times when when somebody dies and it's like who's
00:10:55.220 going to inherit what etc there was some drama and that was that he had said that thomas and dad
00:11:02.760 his oldest son um should pay an annuity like an amount of money to to margaret butler which is
00:11:11.600 william's now widow thomas's mom and that thomas should allow her to keep various properties
00:11:17.780 And Thomas spent the next like seven or so years fighting against this because like he didn't want his mother to have that income. And why was this? Because he was, I was saying, you know, the Tudors, not the Tudors, the Boleyns, they're on the scene, they're always in the background. And it's like, when you're at court, you have to have like certain outfits for certain times. And when you're having the king come to stay with you, like you have to have certain dishes and like stuff.
00:11:47.780 fancy forks or whatever. And the king doesn't pay for those things. You have to buy those things
00:11:53.040 yourself. So Thomas was in debt. And so he wanted this money for himself is why he didn't want his
00:12:00.900 mother to have it, which is very shitty of him. And we talked about that more in the episode
00:12:04.540 of Tracy Borman. Anyway, during this time, after William died, Thomas, Elizabeth, and their three
00:12:11.180 kids, Mary, Anne, and George, moved to Hever in Kent. And so Hever is still a heritage home that
00:12:20.080 you can visit and it's beautiful and it's on my bucket list and I want to visit there one day,
00:12:23.600 but this is famously the Boleyn family home. So this is around the time that they go there.
00:12:29.300 There's various other families living in the area. I mean, not next door, each property is
00:12:34.060 quite far apart from each other, but one of the families who the Boleyns would have known,
00:12:38.780 who Anne might have gone to visit them sometimes or they would have met each other is the Wyatt
00:12:43.380 family who lived at nearby Ellington Castle. The head of this family was Sir Henry Wyatt,
00:12:48.840 who is Henry VIII's master of the jewels. Cool job title. So Anne was just growing up in Hever
00:12:56.220 with her two siblings, presumably having a really nice time. It's a lovely home. It's a lovely
00:13:00.760 property. And so I said that it was like all this going back and forth about the estate and stuff.
00:13:06.740 And so by 1511, Anne is like 10 or 11 years old. And her grandmother, for some reason, agrees to sign some paperwork that kind of gave all these properties and money to Thomas, to Anne's dad. Now, maybe she was ill. Maybe she had like some sort of dementia or something. Like, why did she sign this? I don't know. Because she was otherwise like a very strong woman.
00:13:28.760 Like in terms of the female role models, Anne Boleyn had like her grandmother and her mother, Elizabeth Howard, were both out there doing stuff, transacting business, you know, but for some reason, her grandmother sends away basically everything to her dad.
00:13:42.000 and this was pretty shitty for margaret bettler but it helped thomas a lot because he needed the
00:13:48.580 security of this inheritance like not just he needed the money from it now but he needed to
00:13:53.340 be like i have this inheritance i'm going to get these properties so that he could get more loans
00:13:57.940 for more people like to show that he had like that he could pay it back basically so while he's
00:14:04.120 dealing with money related things ann is provided with with education and so are her siblings so
00:14:11.240 because as the children of the up-and-coming continuing to go up, continuing to be more and
00:14:17.520 more prestigious Berlin family, like their goal is for her to become a courtier as well, like for
00:14:22.340 her and her siblings to get positions at the royal court. And when she was around 12 years old,
00:14:29.540 Henry VIII sent her father, because remember Thomas is like, he's such a good courtier. He
00:14:33.400 has all these skills. He speaks French crucially. So Thomas was sent to Mechelen, which is in modern
00:14:40.260 day Belgium near Antwerp. Long time listeners of this podcast know that I have strong feelings
00:14:46.840 about Antwerp and that's a bustling city in this time. Anyway, so Thomas was sent there for just
00:14:54.140 kind of like alliance reasons, like Mechelan and England were kind of like allies against France.
00:15:02.460 And so Thomas was sent there because he could speak all these different languages and he's so
00:15:06.000 good as a diplomat and they're just kind of like figuring out some alliance related things. And
00:15:10.240 why is he going to the palace of Margaret of Austria? Why isn't there a man in charge?
00:15:14.300 Well, let's talk about Margaret of Austria because she was in charge. And this is going to be another
00:15:20.920 one of Anne Boleyn's kind of female role models. So Margaret of Austria, this is going to connect 0.89
00:15:26.520 to yet more episodes of this podcast. I hope that this is an episode you can listen to,
00:15:31.120 but if you're just like, wait, I've heard of that. Oh yeah, there was an episode about that before.
00:15:35.100 Or if you were like, I want to know more about that, you can go listen to it.
00:15:37.780 but this connects to an episode I did several years ago about Juana of Castile, who is the
00:15:43.780 sister of Catherine of Aragon. So Margaret of Austria, there's, I want to say three Margarets
00:15:50.480 in the story. No, there's four Margarets in the story and they're all pretty great. So Margaret
00:15:54.680 of Austria was the widow of Juan, Prince of Asturias. So Juan, Prince of Asturias was the
00:16:01.880 brother of Catherine of Aragon, the brother of Juana of Castile. And so they, Juana had died a
00:16:07.920 few months after their marriage. So she's a sister-in-law to Catherine of Aragon and Juana
00:16:11.940 of Castile. Margaret of Austria is also doubly sister-in-law to Juana because Margaret of Austria
00:16:18.380 was the sister of Juana's husband, Philip the Handsome, who is a horrible person and honestly,
00:16:25.140 not even that handsome, not handsome at all. So she's connected to them through marriage.
00:16:31.880 So her second marriage was to a guy with a really fun name, Philibert II, Duke of Savoy. He died just three years after their marriage. So Margaret, at the point that Thomas Boleyn comes over to be a diplomat, is 24 years old.
00:16:49.280 she's a double widow and she was also kind of in charge of things because her she was a Habsburg
00:16:58.200 if you're familiar with that whole dynasty but she's not she's not like the other Habsburg she's 1.00
00:17:04.120 a cool Habsburg I feel like her jaw could close she didn't have the like wildly inbred situation 0.96
00:17:09.520 happening anyway so she has these husbands the husbands had died she had not had children 1.00
00:17:16.260 And so it's kind of like, well, who's going to be in charge of all these places? Like there needs to be a man, ideally, or perhaps a boy. And at this point, it was a boy. So the head of the Netherlands was at this point, a little baby called Charles or Carlos.
00:17:36.560 so this is her nephew in law or just nephew it's the son of her no her nephew because it's the son
00:17:46.660 of Juana of Castile and Philip the handsome so this is Margaret's nephew little baby Carlos
00:17:52.460 but she was appointed to be the regent of the Netherlands until he came of age because Margaret
00:17:57.100 was with it she was smart she had a head on her shoulders and her father the holy Roman emperor
00:18:03.520 Maximilian I was just like, she gets it. Margaret's cool. She can be in charge. That's fine.
00:18:09.100 So the reason that Charles was baby head of the Netherlands was because Philip the Handsome was
00:18:13.500 dead. And the reason why Margaret becomes the regent is because she's got a head on her shoulders
00:18:18.700 and a nose on her face and she's doing great. But also baby Charles slash Carlos's mother,
00:18:25.800 Juana of Castile, is not seen as fit to be regent because she was allegedly insane.
00:18:30.260 so Margaret's in charge of the Netherlands at this point she's just this 24 year old
00:18:37.460 hottie just like getting it done uh and she was very like pro-England at this time so this is why
00:18:46.020 Henry VIII sent over an ambassador to just kind of like make sure that their alliance is all going
00:18:50.340 well and that ambassador is Thomas Boleyn so Thomas Boleyn is hanging out with Margaret um
00:18:57.340 She's glamorous. She's independent. She's confident. She's fully in charge of her own destiny. This is highly unusual for a woman in this era, I say, as a person who's been reading about this era for a long time. She is the coolest. So she wore her hair in like the way that a widow, there's like, this is how widows wear their hair. So when you walk down the street, people go, that's a widow, that's not.
00:19:21.260 and so she wore this widow's hairstyle to signal her independence from men to just be like hey 0.99
00:19:26.720 guess what I'm a strong independent woman and I'm also a widow so just like don't mess with me
00:19:30.980 she has two mottos one of them and they're not in English but I'm going to read you the English
00:19:36.340 translations one of them is a change in fortune makes a woman stronger which like put that on a 0.86
00:19:44.180 sticker like put that on your travel mug her other one and I love this it's like grudge if you like
00:19:51.360 and long live burgundy so she was involved in burgundy but I just like this grudge if you like
00:19:58.640 it's just like haters gonna hate is kind of what she's saying so she's amazing she's like again
00:20:06.100 I'm talking about like Anne Boleyn's how does Anne Boleyn get to meet her hang on so Thomas was just
00:20:11.380 like, hey, this woman's amazing. And I feel like she could be a good role model to my daughter,
00:20:15.840 Anne Boleyn. And so he muster up the courage one day to ask, can Anne come to your court? Can she
00:20:21.800 be one of your maids of honor? And maids of honor are like, it's like a lady in waiting type 0.97
00:20:27.660 situation. It's just kind of like young girls, like in their teens who would kind of come and
00:20:33.240 help. They're not servants. They're kind of like helpers, but they have to be from very prestigious
00:20:39.940 his families and they could go there and get an education. And, you know, she kind of, this is
00:20:45.780 the way that Anne Boleyn could just learn better about how to live at royal court. Margaret is just 0.52
00:20:50.820 like Thomas Boleyn, you're a cool guy. You speak French. Like, sure, your daughter can come over
00:20:57.720 and be my maid of honor. So when Anne Boleyn is about 12 or 13 years old, she was sent to
00:21:03.300 Mechlin. And she did great. Margaret of Austria was just like, this girl gets it. I love this
00:21:12.040 girl. She, in fact, there's a letter where Margaret wrote to Thomas about Anne Boleyn.
00:21:16.580 I find her so bright and pleasant for her young age that I am more beholden to you for having
00:21:20.900 sent her to me than you are to me. She's saying just like, honestly, like, thank you for sending
00:21:25.860 her. Like, I know, like, you're grateful I took her, but I'm even more grateful that you sent me
00:21:30.500 your cool daughter because she's great and she was she's kind of like the star pupil of this
00:21:37.120 whole situation there's all the ladies in waiting and she during her time in Michelin with Margaret
00:21:42.800 of Austria and Berlin she perfects she becomes completely perfect in speaking French she studies
00:21:48.460 etiquette she learns how to live alongside royalty how to speak to royalty she also like she's learning
00:21:55.160 these specific skills you know it's like what fork do you use when you're eating dinner or like how 0.99
00:21:58.760 curtsy to who or whatever but she also got to see margaret of austria just like fuck shit up and be 1.00
00:22:04.940 like the coolest so she got to see like this politically agile woman who was working as a 1.00
00:22:11.000 regent and like being in charge of shit and everyone like respected her margaret and sam 0.93
00:22:17.400 belin is just like this is great so she also learned like how to dress how to play various 0.99
00:22:21.780 musical instruments like the lute she learned all the dances that everybody has to know if you watch
00:22:26.300 any movie set in the Tudor era. There's always a dance. Everyone seems to know this stuff. She
00:22:29.720 learned all the dances. And Margaret of Austria was just like, these are my ladies of honor. I'm
00:22:37.040 ride or die for these girls. I love these girls. She arranged for the girls to be schooled or
00:22:43.540 educated together alongside Margaret's nieces, who were girls around the same age who would go
00:22:49.340 on to become the queens of Portugal and of Denmark and of Hungary. So Anne Boleyn is just
00:22:54.860 like hanging out with royalty like in terms of the boleyn family just like getting more and more 0.87
00:22:59.740 prestigious like ann boleyn is like the beneficiary of all of that now margaret of austria was just 1.00
00:23:06.360 like these are my girls and she was very protective of them too she had very strict rules of the 1.00
00:23:11.580 household so only authorized people were able to even come and talk to margaret let alone get into 0.87
00:23:18.660 her like most innermost rooms so she also margot was like she had a good time you know part of 1.00
00:23:26.720 courtly etiquette is like how do you court somebody how do you flirt or whatever but she 1.00
00:23:31.340 had like very firm rules where it's just like yeah like these are the rules of um courtly love games 1.00
00:23:37.940 but margot was like but you have to follow the rules so gossip and flirting was forbidden her 1.00
00:23:45.460 girls like she protected their reputation she kept them all just kind of like learning how to flirt 1.00
00:23:51.340 with men but also margot was just like men don't cross the line girls don't cross the line like
00:23:55.940 everybody just like behave yourselves please and as evidence of this so at one point a scandal
00:24:03.860 occurred uh i think while ann was there in the household like just after she joined the household
00:24:08.180 So Anna's like 12 or 13 years old. So this fuckboy, Charles Brandon, who was like one of King Henry VIII's bros. And I talk about him in the episode about Henry VIII's sister, Mary Tudor, for reasons you'll understand soon. He's played in the TV show The Tudor's by a young Henry Cavill. So picture that, except shitty.
00:24:30.800 so Charles Brandon was on the scene in Mechelan and he did the he what he did was he sexually 0.88
00:24:38.360 harassed Margaret it was something to do with like these are the rules of courtly love and like
00:24:44.340 you can tease somebody and like take their jewel but you have to give the jewel back and he didn't 0.99
00:24:49.140 it was something like that and Margaret was just like fuck this guy and she was so offended by 0.97
00:24:53.880 Charles Brandon's behavior that she like formal she made like a formal um protest to Henry VIII 0.98
00:24:59.940 she was just like your man was inappropriate to me like what are you gonna do about it and this
00:25:07.720 was kind of startling to both Charles Brandon and Henry VIII because in their experience being
00:25:12.320 like you know entitled guys in England like they had never encountered a woman in control of her
00:25:19.080 own life before and they were just kind of like don't understand what this woman is doing why is
00:25:23.400 she why is she so independent like what's happening like she's 24 like why doesn't she want to marry 1.00
00:25:29.100 me. I'm Charles Brandon. I look like Henry Cavill. So they both were just kind of like,
00:25:34.160 oh, she's just playing hard to get or whatever. And in fact, Henry VIII was like, you know what,
00:25:40.600 it'd be great if Charles Brandon married Margaret of Austria. And to make that easier to happen,
00:25:47.240 he made Charles Brandon the Earl of Surrey to give him like more of a title so he could maybe
00:25:51.440 marry Margaret of Austria. And there was a tournament and Brandon, Charles Brandon wore
00:25:56.840 like margaret's colors and we brought his lance he's just like this is in honor of margaret of 0.99
00:26:01.400 austria love that girl and when margaret of austria found out she was just like fuck you 0.97
00:26:08.640 and she made henry um end the rumors of this quote-unquote romance and henry did 0.99
00:26:15.220 because you don't fuck with margaret of austria and this and many other things uh cooled relationships
00:26:22.980 between the two countries. Margaret of Austria maybe was just kind of more like, you know what, 0.95
00:26:28.140 do I want to fuck with England? No, like it's being run by fuckboys and just like, no. So around 1.00
00:26:34.380 this time, so eventually Anne's apprenticeship with Margaret ended as kind of like relations
00:26:40.820 cooled between her and England. If you're like, why is Anne being sent there? Like, what about
00:26:47.420 her older sister, Mary? Don't things usually happen in age order? So yes, Mary Boleyn is
00:26:52.920 also being set up for various positions. So she, at around this time, joined the entourage
00:26:57.620 of Henry VIII's younger sister, also called Mary. There's so many Marys and Margarets in
00:27:03.380 this story. I'm going to use their last names just to keep it clear. So Henry VIII has a younger
00:27:09.160 sister called Mary. Henry VIII's sister Mary was going to France to marry the King of France.
00:27:15.240 She was very young.
00:27:16.880 The king of France was very old.
00:27:19.120 And 11 weeks after the wedding, the elderly king of France died. 0.99
00:27:24.940 Rumor has it because he was, she was so young and horny and he was old and horny and she fucked him to death. 0.99
00:27:33.420 Is that true? 1.00
00:27:34.200 You know what?
00:27:34.580 Listen to my episode of Mary Tudor to find out.
00:27:37.920 Anyway, what's important here to the story of Anne Boleyn is that the king of France died.
00:27:43.120 And the new king of France is called Francis.
00:27:46.940 He's 20 years old.
00:27:48.640 He's the new king.
00:27:49.700 And his wife was a 15-year-old called Claude.
00:27:53.300 So Anne Boleyn and Claude are the same age.
00:27:57.260 And within a few months, Anne Boleyn got a new gig working as maid of honor to Queen Claude.
00:28:03.060 So this is where she's going now.
00:28:08.220 And there's another scandal, another Charles Brandon-related scandal.
00:28:13.120 He just keeps this guy. So, well, the scandal is that Charles Brandon was sent to pick up Henry VIII's sister Mary and bring her back to England. And Henry VIII's was like, Charles Brandon, I know you're a horndog, but do not fuck my sister.
00:28:34.680 and charles brandon is like bet um but he and henry's sister mary were really hot for each 0.99
00:28:41.200 other and in fact they ran up together and secretly got married and again listen to the
00:28:46.780 mary tutor episode to get more information about that so like that's all going down
00:28:50.780 meanwhile anne boleyn is emily in paris she's anne boleyn anne boleyn in paris because she is being
00:28:59.980 the the lady-in-waiting to queen claude who is at this point 15 and pregnant and so she's in paris
00:29:07.760 like and at this time you know we i don't know about you but you know london is like a huge
00:29:13.880 city and i kind of think of it as just like a just a person living over in a small city in canada i
00:29:21.360 picture all these cities is kind of like big instead of equivalently big but at the time paris
00:29:25.660 was much bigger and much more populous and much more cosmopolitan and like fashionable than
00:29:31.400 London. It was also bigger than Michelin. So this is the biggest place Anne Boleyn had ever been.
00:29:36.600 And Claude is another sort of influence over Anne Boleyn's whole deal. So the thing with Claude,
00:29:42.160 I mean, she's 15 and pregnant. She is not renowned for her beauty. She's apparently really short
00:29:47.580 also. But she is like really known to be gracious and like sweet and kind of like all the things 0.93
00:29:54.860 that you kind of want a queen to be. And she's also really, really into branding, like into her 0.88
00:30:01.360 personal brand. I mean, so C is her monogram for Claude. She also has like an image of like an
00:30:06.620 animal that represents her. And she puts her monogram on like the walls, on like the masonry,
00:30:12.660 on the ceilings of her rooms, on her dishes, on her books, basically everywhere. She's just like,
00:30:16.920 I'm the goddamn queen. Here's my letter. It's C. Claude's the queen. This is what Claude is doing. 1.00
00:30:23.060 And I also love this book, Claude. So she has this amazing library full of like books, but also objects that she keeps in her favorite chateau. So her mother had, she'd inherited from her mother a book and tapestry collection and Claude refused to give a key to her husband, the king, because she was like, no, it's my private library slash also she was like, worried that the king might like take the stuff and try to sell it or something.
00:30:47.960 And yet another role model is here for Anne Boleyn, and that is yet another person called Margaret. Margaret of Angeloume. Angeloume. Margaret of Angeloume, which is the sister of Francis, the king of France.
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00:33:46.900 So, Margaret of Angoulême was the sister of Francis, the king of France.
00:33:52.620 And she also would become known as a patron of humanists and reformers and a really prolific author.
00:34:01.920 She was a major figure of the Renaissance era in France.
00:34:05.600 She is tall, charming, gorgeous in her early 20s and also a shrewd political or politician.
00:34:13.360 She was married, but to a man who mostly left her alone. 0.54
00:34:17.360 So she could just like meditate and write books.
00:34:20.560 she literally would meditate like in a christian religious way but still it is kind of like
00:34:26.960 the the vibe that she and her husband live separately and she's just like i'm just gonna
00:34:30.400 like get out my yoga mat and just chill so this is her vibe and she was like her brother francis
00:34:38.080 the king would like come to her for advice um because she was really smart she was with it
00:34:42.760 Like she, she was great. And eventually Francis actually created her, like he gave her, it's called created her as Duke of Berry, but like not Duchess of Berry, but like he made her the Duke, which gave her the legal status of a man as if she was the king's brother, not the king's sister.
00:35:07.700 So this is yet another example showing Anne that like a woman can rise to a position of power in a man's world if you're like smart and clever.
00:35:16.540 And if the man in question is like kind of chill and respects you.
00:35:21.720 So we know from Margaret's writing a lot of what she thinks about things.
00:35:25.680 Like, for instance, she wrote about how she saw these double standards in the rules for sexual relationships between men and women.
00:35:32.400 She's like, in her view, men pursue women in two ways, by seduction or by brute force.
00:35:37.220 And in either case, women really have no choice but to succumb in the society they're in. 1.00
00:35:41.580 And she's like, and that's bullshit. 0.99
00:35:43.040 So she's like, what can women do? 1.00
00:35:45.220 She's like, women have to stay vigilant. 0.95
00:35:47.200 They have to look to religion for guidance. 0.99
00:35:49.180 I think it's interesting that Margaret of Anjoulem is writing this.
00:35:54.420 And then also Margaret of Austria was like keeping the, like making sure that the men were treating her ladies the proper way. 0.98
00:36:00.720 Like both of them are just kind of like, okay, men are, you know, like these are fuckboys. 0.96
00:36:05.680 And I'm going to, like girls, we got to look out for each other. 0.98
00:36:08.840 I appreciate it.
00:36:10.320 So she also says, she wrote in some of her writings that like at royal courts, women 0.80
00:36:15.960 should avoid the love that becomes too powerful to be concealed and must temper their feelings 0.98
00:36:20.280 lest they be publicly shamed.
00:36:21.900 So she's effectively saying like, if you're going to have a love affair at royal court,
00:36:26.500 like just know everyone's going to know about it.
00:36:28.640 So just try to not, try to not do that.
00:36:32.020 so all of these examples that Anne Boleyn is seeing and remember she's at this point like 15
00:36:38.420 16 years old and she's been in the orbit of these powerful women since she was like 11 12 so she's
00:36:44.060 just seeing women who are exercising power in various ways which is like extremely different
00:36:49.560 from what was happening in England like Henry VIII didn't ask his sisters for advice you know in 0.74
00:36:56.740 England um Catherine of Aragon back in England like she was the queen but she was not being
00:37:02.540 called upon to play a political role like what Margaret of Austria is doing so she also saw
00:37:08.320 Anne Boleyn was also seeing in France um how like she's been trying to like etiquette and like
00:37:13.780 courtly protocol which some things are the same in France and England and different in other ways
00:37:19.980 crucially so in France what she could see is that Queen Claude had like her own private rooms but
00:37:28.580 like there's kind of like if you can if you know Versailles which is like a couple centuries later
00:37:33.560 but there's kind of like there's like the secret private room that like only the queen would go in
00:37:38.100 and there's a room outside of that where like her trusted friends could go and then there's room
00:37:41.860 outside of that or like a bit more people could go in a room outside of that and so in these kind
00:37:46.080 of like outer chambers in France men and women could intermingle mostly freely in these outer
00:37:53.220 chambers so whereas in the house of Catherine of Aragon in England the only men allowed in
00:37:58.760 these chambers were her husband and relatives unless there's like a messenger with an urgent
00:38:02.580 message in France men and women could chat with each other a lot more and the only place men
00:38:09.560 weren't allowed to go for a casual visit was the queen's like most innermost bedchamber so
00:38:14.200 But things are just more chill between men and women in France.
00:38:18.640 And just like Margaret of Austria, Claude took care of her ladies.
00:38:22.460 She, again, like ensured that they continued to get a good education,
00:38:26.300 to prepare them for courtly life.
00:38:28.580 And I love this.
00:38:29.600 You know, Claude has her secret library that her husband's not allowed to go in.
00:38:33.320 One of the things in this library is a book called The Lives of Female Celebrities.
00:38:37.700 And it's a compilation of biographies of 91 famous women.
00:38:42.160 It's like those books that are like rebel girls.
00:38:44.200 you know, like those books that people have now, they're just kind of like women who changed the 1.00
00:38:48.140 world. So it's like biographies of 91 famous women, including people like Joan of Arc. And
00:38:52.620 it kind of showed like, here's these women and here's what they did. And part of it, because
00:38:56.420 it's like a 16th century, it's like, look at these women as models of virtue. Like, it's not like,
00:39:01.400 look at these scandalous babes, which is like what this podcast is about, but it's kind of a 1.00
00:39:06.360 similar thing, but for her time, but they're also showing like, you know, these women, like look at 0.99
00:39:10.460 the virtues they have but also like female empowerment like Anne Boleyn just really 0.95
00:39:16.340 benefited from being around a lot of really cool people um Claude was also herself and I guess that 1.00
00:39:23.200 the teachers that she had for the ladies like it was like a team of women and these like lady 1.00
00:39:27.620 teachers they did stuff like they would take books and rewrite them to be more feminist like with
00:39:32.500 making the women the powerful heroes of the stories uh Claude is also a patron of the arts
00:39:38.180 including musicians and painters. There's always like musicians, artists around. And this is like
00:39:43.080 Anne Boleyn is just like thriving in this situation. She also saw, so Francis the King of France had
00:39:49.840 various mistresses. And that's long been a thing in France. Like the King has a mistress. It's like
00:39:56.040 an official title. It's an official job. And would have seen that Claude chose to be just like super
00:40:01.340 chill, you guys. Like my husband is mistresses. And in fact, Francis's first known mistress, 0.97
00:40:07.260 Francois Defoy had started out as one of the ladies awaiting in Claude's household but Claude
00:40:13.300 empowered herself by like not appearing jealous and and part of that was she wasn't
00:40:19.920 her job Claude's job was to just have children to like be a supportive wife and she did that
00:40:27.460 she had seven children in almost as many years and just kind of like her husband had missed her
00:40:33.680 this. And she's like, that's great. But like, this isn't a love match. Like my job is to have
00:40:37.160 children and I will do that. And here we go. So Claude spent time in Paris or at one of her other
00:40:44.520 properties and Anne and the other ladies traveled wherever she went. And there's not even room to
00:40:51.240 get into another powerful female figure in this, but it's Claude's mother-in-law. So the 0.75
00:40:57.520 Margaret of Angoulême's mom, Louise of Savoy. So Louise served as regent when Francis was out
00:41:04.540 of town. So again, it's like getting a woman to be in charge when the man is away doing war stuff 0.99
00:41:09.140 or whatever. So Louise and Margaret of Angoulême were both really interested in like the writing
00:41:16.140 that was happening lately. There's lots of scholars who are just kind of like interrogating
00:41:20.860 like, what are we doing with religion? Like, should we have a reformed religion? And both of them,
00:41:25.120 margaret and louise were both supported this kind of like development of like let's make religion
00:41:31.280 be more about like people and their relationship with god instead of about like
00:41:35.140 you know paying indulgences to corrupt catholic officials and being around them and these two
00:41:42.600 like louise and margaret were like not just like wow let's read these books they were like
00:41:46.600 petitioning to have people freed who were arrested for being heretics and stuff like that like they
00:41:52.580 were like all in on the situation so obviously like this would get Anne thinking as well like
00:41:57.140 probably a lot of the teachers were getting her to really think about what were her religious
00:42:00.780 beliefs as well. June 1520 a thing happens that is called the field of cloth and gold. Anne was
00:42:10.000 there along with Claude's other ladies and like 10,000 other people. So what this was was a 20
00:42:16.520 day-long festival slash meeting between Henry VIII and Francis, king of France. And they met
00:42:24.960 at Bellingham, which is kind of like halfway between England and France, sort of. And this
00:42:31.960 is just sort of an opulent display of wealth by both kings. So while the diplomats and politicians
00:42:37.760 were behind the scenes, just like chit-chatting about various paperwork, there was like 20 days
00:42:43.640 of like jousts and parties and fireworks and banquets and lots of free wine to keep everybody
00:42:50.180 entertained. And so like Claude was there with Francis. Henry VIII was there. Catherine Aragon
00:42:57.080 was there, like, and all of their entourages were there. So there was like 3,000 nobles and
00:43:02.300 courtiers accompanied each king and like another 2,500 people on both sides. It was so many people
00:43:07.280 were all there. So this is where some people think perhaps Anne Boleyn would have met Henry
00:43:16.660 VIII, but she was just like one of many ladies and there's like 10,000 people there. So I don't
00:43:23.320 think she caught his eye at this point. Anyway, so this all happens. And then ultimately,
00:43:31.220 so Anne Boleyn has been, she spent seven years of courtly education and traveling and just like
00:43:37.440 seeing these cool women and like learning so much stuff. She's now 20 years old and she is recalled
00:43:43.760 to England to marry her Irish cousin, James Butler. So James Butler, it's again, it's like
00:43:50.340 the Margaret Butler situation. It's like he's an Anglo Irish peer. So it's like he has property in
00:43:55.640 Ireland, but he's an English person. He was currently living at English Corp. And from what
00:44:00.280 can tell this marriage is a continuation of the ongoing dispute of like Anne Boleyn's dad and the
00:44:06.500 property and who's going to inherit what. So this marriage seems like it was at least partially just
00:44:12.260 meant to settle this dispute over the title and estates of the earldom of Ormond. In fact, like
00:44:18.900 ultimately, obviously, this marriage did not occur. Marriage negotiations came to a halt.
00:44:24.220 Maybe it was because Anne's parents thought like, I think we can do better for her. I don't know.
00:44:29.380 I'm not no one knows why this didn't happen but that's an interesting sliding doors thing like
00:44:34.060 what if Anne Boleyn had married James Butler and moved to Ireland like there's a lot of trickle
00:44:39.540 down effects that would have happened if that had happened anyway so this marriage didn't happen
00:44:45.620 her dad who continues continues like in her absence like while she's been like learning
00:44:51.680 all these cool things and he is just getting more and more positions at royal court like getting
00:44:56.900 more prestigious type positions. And he was like, it would be great if we could get Anne Boleyn,
00:45:01.780 my daughter, to be a lady-in-waiting to Queen Catherine of Aragon. Because remember her mom,
00:45:09.580 Anne's mom, Elizabeth, had been a lady-in-waiting to Queen Catherine of Aragon. And often the
00:45:13.660 daughters of previous ladies-in-waiting would take over the job as well. But there's a couple 0.66
00:45:17.780 of things standing in the way. One of those things is Anne Boleyn had been in France for so long,
00:45:23.560 and she had like French style so I mean this both in like her affect like her behavior but also the
00:45:32.540 way that she dressed at the field of cloth and gold I thought this was an interesting detail the 1.00
00:45:36.460 English people were just like oh fuck like the French ladies look so much better they look so 0.98
00:45:41.660 much hotter their clothes are so much better like I'm picturing I know this is not what it was 1.00
00:45:48.320 but I'm picturing Anne Boleyn is just like rolls up and she's like on a bicycle with a baguette 0.59
00:45:53.020 in the basket she's like wearing a beret and a striped shirt and it's just like oh la la like 0.83
00:45:57.920 she's so French but French style was different from English style and at this point um England
00:46:04.920 did not really like France um Henry and Catherine did not really like French stuff they were kind of
00:46:12.940 mad at the French so Anne's whole like thing is just kind of like this is not the vibe we're going
00:46:17.620 for actually she also had developed these kind of reformed religious ways and that was not gonna 0.96
00:46:24.880 be what Catherine of Aragon was looking for in a lady-in-waiting Catherine of Aragon being like
00:46:29.660 extremely pious Catholic person the daughter of Isabella and Ferdinand the Catholic monarchs
00:46:35.180 they were called but Anne's dad was still like very popular on court and one of his friends
00:46:42.520 was Cardinal Wolsey, who's like an important guy on the scene at this time. And in fact,
00:46:48.540 Cardinal Wolsey threw a party and he invited Anne Boleyn. So it was because of him that she
00:46:53.120 had her debut at Tudor court. So she's, it's March 4th, 1522, Anne Boleyn, probably around 21 years
00:47:01.700 old. And she made her debut at a mask party. And if you know about masks, they're sort of like
00:47:10.800 plays but they're also sort of like people just stand there in poses and their performances put
00:47:19.060 on by the royal family themselves and their friends and family for everybody else so it's
00:47:24.960 kind of like watch it's kind of like a karaoke it's like watching it's like if you went to a
00:47:31.100 famous person's party and then Meryl Streep is there doing karaoke it's just kind of like the
00:47:35.960 most famous people just kind of doing a fun thing and so she was she debuted at this mask
00:47:43.380 and the reason for this mask for this party was Shrove Tuesday which historically is a day of
00:47:52.040 celebration associated with romantic love so like that's the theme of this mask it's a Shrove
00:47:56.620 Tuesday romantic love theme mask and it's being hosted by Cardinal Woolsey at his his party palace
00:48:02.980 your place. So the mask itself included women playing the roles of, it's like the women were 0.89
00:48:09.500 masks and they're all sort of playing virtues. Like one of them was beauty and one of them was 0.97
00:48:15.500 constancy. And then they would kind of like stand there and be like, oh no, like this is us. And
00:48:19.580 then a bunch of, I think, choir boys came down and they were portraying like persistence. Anyway,
00:48:25.720 it's all like, this is very fun for them. But it's also very fun for historical fiction writers
00:48:32.700 because the people who were playing these roles included.
00:48:36.420 So Henry's sister, Mary, who he eventually forgave for secretly marrying his bro, Charles Brandon,
00:48:44.640 she portrayed beauty.
00:48:47.400 A woman called Jane Parker, who would later become the wife of George Boleyn,
00:48:52.800 so Anne Boleyn's future sister-in-law, was Constancy.
00:48:57.060 Anne Boleyn's sister, Mary Boleyn, was kindness, and Anne herself was perseverance.
00:49:02.700 so again in some portrayals of what's happening at the Tudor court like they kind of shrink down
00:49:09.660 the timeline to be like well maybe this is where Anne Boleyn caught Henry's eye but it is not 0.88
00:49:14.400 because Henry was currently fucking Anne's sister Mary Boleyn the other Boleyn girl
00:49:20.000 so at this point Mary Boleyn and maybe we'll do an episode about her later because her story 0.52
00:49:25.880 is interesting but also there's so much both with the story of Mary Boleyn but especially
00:49:31.240 with the story of Anne Boleyn. And this is why I appreciate this book, Hunting the Falcon,
00:49:35.040 because Julia Fox and her chapters about Anne Boleyn really hammers down like, well, here's
00:49:39.860 this rumor, but this was first said a hundred years later, or this was first said 50 years
00:49:44.240 later, or this was... So because of everything that happens with Anne Boleyn, and we'll get
00:49:50.760 into that in future episodes, retroactively people would say like, oh, she was doing this
00:49:56.200 and that and like beforehand. It reminds me quite a bit of Cleopatra in the sense of people who
00:50:03.360 hated her are where we get most of her sources about what she did. So especially when people
00:50:08.780 talk about what she was up to before she got involved with Henry VIII, like there's a lot of
00:50:13.760 rumors. And anyway, but we do know this is true. Mary Boleyn was Henry VIII's mistress at this
00:50:22.120 point so mary boleyn was married she was married to the king's distant cousin william carey because
00:50:27.840 this story needs another william in it obviously and this is sort of henry the eighth at this point
00:50:33.420 he had had another mistress elizabeth blount blount bessie blount who had had a son who was
00:50:40.100 called henry fitzroy so that's henry the eighth's illegitimate son but at this point just for like
00:50:45.900 various religious reasons and whatever he kind of didn't want to complicate things but like what if
00:50:50.660 he had another illegitimate son, then like who would be the heir? And so he, he liked to fuck 1.00
00:50:55.160 married women because then if you're married, and I think this might still be the law now in a lot 1.00
00:50:59.220 of places, like whoever you're married to is officially the father of the child, even if 1.00
00:51:04.040 biologically you, like you fuck somebody else. So it's kind of like if Mary Boleyn got pregnant, 0.99
00:51:11.180 it wouldn't be like necessarily an illegitimate son of Henry VIII. But also William Carey was
00:51:18.080 like one of these ambitious courtiers. And so he's just like, yeah, like, I don't know. Did he
00:51:22.740 pimp out his wife? I don't know. Anyway, this is what's happening. Mary Boleyn is the mistress of
00:51:28.140 Henry VIII. There is still and has been historical gossip that Mary Boleyn had previously, previous
00:51:35.880 to this, been mistress to Francis, the king in France. But that is probably not true. That's
00:51:43.380 probably one of those rumors that was made after the fact after all the fallout with Anne Boleyn 0.98
00:51:48.620 happened like her sister was kind of being like and she was also a whore we'll discuss
00:51:53.780 Mary Boleyn probably in a later episode for sure she was Henry's mistress at this point and she's 0.93
00:51:58.940 in this banquet playing kindness Anne is just kind of also there at this point Anne is the other
00:52:04.540 Boleyn girl so but between all of this like the Boleyn family is just like on the scene like the
00:52:11.100 dad is still this like superstar french-speaking diplomat um mary is the king's mistress george
00:52:18.180 and the younger brother who's probably now like 19 or so he gets taken into service and he's like
00:52:22.820 the perfect courtier like he's also been trained by the family to like speak all these languages
00:52:28.260 and like be really able to speak about all these books and play instruments and stuff so it's just 1.00
00:52:32.780 like boleyns are just infiltrating everywhere brackets complimentary so all of these reasons
00:52:38.700 Like the Boleyns are just like there, they're on the scene. And some combination of all these reasons and maybe Cardinal Wolsey, like sort of like backing her, convinces Catherine of Aragon to agree to take Anne on as one of her ladies and waiting. 0.95
00:52:53.400 and so that's Anne's new job she's bringing all of her skills she learned from from the
00:52:59.700 household of Margaret of Austria that she learned from her time with Claude to go and become a lady
00:53:06.480 waiting to Catherine Aragon I wonder what happens next I'm sure it'll be fine I'm sure nothing weird
00:53:13.120 will happen so next week we're gonna talk about what happens when Anne Boleyn becomes
00:53:19.680 the lady waiting to cast her baragon and you know it's a little cliffhanger there
00:53:26.240 so I have a couple of announcements that I want to let you know about firstly and most importantly
00:53:32.260 coming up this Saturday October 3rd members of my paid members of my Patreon who are at the six
00:53:39.240 dollars a month or more level um can join me for a zoom live event that I'm doing with author
00:53:44.900 allison rushby who's been on this podcast before she's got a new um super gothic horror novel
00:53:51.360 coming out and we're going to be talking about victorian death photography so the photographs
00:53:57.360 of the dead that victorians did because they were just really fucking weird that's coming up this
00:54:02.140 saturday october 3rd at 4 p.m pacific 7 p.m eastern so if you were thinking of joining my 0.82
00:54:07.700 patreon um at the six dollars a month level that will be a nice thing that you can do the recording
00:54:13.340 for that will be available later as well. And so speaking of the Patreon, you can keep up with me
00:54:19.400 there. You can get ad-free episodes for a dollar a month, or if you join at that $6 a month level,
00:54:24.480 you also get bonus episodes featuring me and some of my friends. Recently, we did an episode
00:54:28.300 discussing the Frances Hodgson Burnett classic, A Little Princess. In an upcoming episode,
00:54:33.020 we're going to be talking about the first episode of the TV show, The Tutors, which is going to
00:54:37.200 involve some of the stuff I talked about here, but presented quite differently. Members at the $6
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00:54:47.880 well as access to my zoom live events which we're having this one coming up on saturday and then
00:54:52.720 later this month um that's actually how i'm going to be having the anne boleyn astrology what was
00:54:57.480 her star sign etc discussion that's coming up later this month so go to patreon.com and foster
00:55:03.180 writer to get a free trial or to join as a paid member and i wanted to mention um we have
00:55:11.020 merchandise including some new Tudor era merchandise I've got timed for this for Anne
00:55:16.140 Berlin month we have a new design that is made by friend of the podcast Karen Moynihan and it
00:55:23.240 it's the names of the six queens of the the women who were the queens to Henry VIII and so you know
00:55:30.940 there's the rhyme like divorce beheaded died divorce beheaded survived but it has those words
00:55:37.000 And then the women's names are like slashes over them, like covering them up to be like, no, like they're not just those words.
00:55:42.680 They're not, they're people.
00:55:44.140 And these are names and it's a beautiful design.
00:55:46.560 The six queens design.
00:55:47.440 You can get that at my store, vulgarhistory.com slash store.
00:55:52.340 And I also wanted to mention, so at the same time that I was planning this season and playing these Anne Boleyn episodes, actually, and honestly faking out what I wanted to do for merch.
00:56:01.280 this campaign launched by historic royal palaces which is the um charitable organization in early
00:56:08.120 organization in the uk that oversees a lot of the houses including heaver that um you can go and
00:56:13.380 visit they pay for this they help pay the staff and the upkeep and stuff and historic royal palaces
00:56:18.180 led by a past podcast guest tracy borman have launched this new campaign called teach the six
00:56:26.240 queens differently so it's talking about look behind the rhyme and discover the women behind
00:56:31.480 it so they have all these resources featuring the cast of the musical six um there's some videos of
00:56:36.540 them but there's fact sheets and biographies um lots of information about who are the queens and
00:56:42.180 it's encouraging educators to look at these women and who they were and not just teach them as like
00:56:48.540 a bundle like a group of six people who are all kind of interchangeable and that's really the vibe
00:56:53.440 of this new design that we have in our merch store,
00:56:56.420 vulgarhistory.com slash store.
00:56:57.860 So it's kind of like, here's the rhyme,
00:56:59.140 but then like, forget that, here's the women.
00:57:01.880 And I really love it. 1.00
00:57:03.280 And you can get that on a sticker too
00:57:05.860 or a magnet or whatever.
00:57:08.380 And I also wanted to say,
00:57:09.600 if you're listening to this
00:57:10.400 and you're a Anne Boleyn super fan,
00:57:12.920 first of all, I hope I'm doing justice to our icon.
00:57:15.920 She's also my girl.
00:57:17.020 And I am, I know the, the pressure of, of wanting to like deliver this story in a way that suitably honors this figure in history.
00:57:30.960 So at Vulgar History, we have a brand partnership with a jewelry brand that's called Common Era.
00:57:37.460 so they're a u.s based jewelry like a small woman-owned business um that a woman named
00:57:44.800 tori runs this business and she does all of the designing herself and she's got a really small
00:57:49.020 team that works out of i think new york city making these uh pieces so it's a lot of pennant
00:57:56.460 necklaces it's rings and they're almost all inspired by women from classical history that's
00:58:01.580 why it's called common era so there's you know like cleopatra and people like that on jewelry
00:58:05.900 But then she made one exception, which is Anne Boleyn, because she's such an icon that she surpasses any, you know, themes of time period or anything.
00:58:17.040 So there is a beautiful Anne Boleyn pendant, which you can get as a gold piece, but also in more affordable gold vermeil.
00:58:25.860 And if you're listening to this podcast, I want to let you know that podcast listeners get a discount if you wanted to buy something from Common Air Jewelry.
00:58:34.340 so you need to use code vulgar15 like v-u-l-g-a-r-1-5 to get 15% off your order at checkout
00:58:43.060 so you can go to commonair.com slash vulgar15 or just use code vulgar15 at your checkout to get
00:58:48.640 one of their beautiful pieces including the gorgeous Anne Boleyn pendant and I mean I've
00:58:56.040 given you so much to think about with all these reminders I just gave you and I'm really excited
00:59:01.840 to honestly I'm excited such dreading uh the next part of Anne Boleyn's story because this first
00:59:09.260 part is so optimistic and hopeful but also I think seeing all these women who she who impacted her
00:59:17.000 who sort of mentored her like you you get to see why she had the confidence the audacity brackets
00:59:24.300 complimentary that she did because she saw women who were able to do all of these things and so
00:59:30.440 But then when she got put in a position of power, she's like, well, I, too, I'm going to try to be like Margaret of Austria.
00:59:37.020 I'm going to try to be like Margaret of Angelem.
00:59:38.680 I'm going to try to, you know, put my name everywhere like Claude. 0.99
00:59:41.220 Of course, this is how she behaved. 0.99
00:59:44.840 Like she saw women who did this and thrived.
00:59:47.500 So I think that's really interesting. 1.00
00:59:50.140 Anyway, until next time, my friends, keep your pants on and your tits out. 1.00
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