Vulgar History - French Revolution： Radicals (part 4)： She Killed Him In The Bathtub

00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to Vulgar History, a feminist women's history comedy podcast. My name is

00:00:17.020 Anne Foster. And in this mini-series, it's like a sub-series within a bigger series.

00:00:22.920 So the mini-series is, we're looking at women of the French Revolution. To complete my sentence,

00:00:30.000 In this mini-series, we are looking at women of the French Revolution in a sub-series that

00:00:34.480 we're calling Liberté, Écualité, Sororité, colon, You Can't Stop the Women of the Revolution.

00:00:41.520 And in the first several episodes, we've alluded to Charlotte Corday, who was a woman who was

00:00:48.360 famous as the angel of assassination because she killed a guy. I don't think that's a spoiler.

00:00:53.120 This is kind of like what she's best known for doing. We alluded to that, and today we're going

00:00:59.080 to be talking about who she was, who she killed, why she did it, and kind of what effects that had

00:01:04.780 as well, not just on like society, but also on the artistic world. And to get into that,

00:01:10.920 I need to have a special guest. And the special guest is Gavin Whitehead from the podcast,

00:01:16.140 The Art of Crime. So The Art of Crime is a podcast where Gavin looks at, I mean,

00:01:20.340 he looks at crime from history, but it's sort of like all kinds of different crime. Like it could

00:01:25.380 be like a murder. It could be this one time that these drag queens stole a bunch of wigs from the 1.00

00:01:30.380 Metropolitan Opera. Like I was on the podcast before talking about Princess Caribou, whose 0.99

00:01:34.420 crime was kind of like pretending to be a princess. And he's also talked about like the theft of the

00:01:39.960 diamond necklace, the affair of the necklace, which happened during the French Revolution as

00:01:43.340 well. Anyway, he connects crime and history with art. So sometimes that means a painting. Sometimes

00:01:48.920 that means a play. Sometimes that means a book. And Charlotte Corday, all of the above are related

00:01:54.680 for her story. So Gavin was last on this podcast talking about Madame Tussauds, and I was so happy

00:02:00.580 that he agreed to be on the podcast again today to talk about Charlotte Corday. And honestly,

00:02:05.200 it's a long-ass conversation, so I'm going to stop introducing it and just let you enjoy this

00:02:11.260 really fun conversation about Charlotte Corday with Gavin Whitehead from the Art of Crime podcast.

00:02:17.460 so it's the moment we've all been waiting for it's the return of one of the most popular guests

00:02:26.900 we've ever had gavin whitehead oh my gosh i had no idea i was one of the most popular guests you've

00:02:32.180 ever had now i'm even more honored to be on this show i was honored already and now i am doubly or

00:02:37.720 trebly honored we we had after we we did the madame t episode and then i i aired the one that i did

00:02:46.220 like we did princess caribou in your podcast and i aired on my show people just like we love gavin

00:02:51.380 we i'm like so do i this is great so i'm excited to have you back i mean madam t and princess c

00:02:57.360 are a pretty killer combo too you know i feel like it's hard to go wrong with either of those ladies

00:03:02.140 they were pretty iconic um topics actually can we talk about madam t for a second of course

00:03:08.280 i am always prepared to talk about madam t i know i saw you you did talk about madam t on

00:03:13.580 art of history as well right everyone should listen to that too because we can never have

00:03:17.920 enough i just thought it was funny so after you know the reading the biography and talking with

00:03:22.240 you about her i um you know i really got a good sense of who she was and what what she was all

00:03:27.840 about and then when luigi mengione was arrested and everyone realized how gorgeous he is i was

00:03:33.960 like madame t oh she'd be all over that yeah like overnight she would have had a life-size

00:03:40.680 waxwork of luigi and people would be lined up like could you imagine and it would have been

00:03:45.740 shirtless to show off that six-pack as well you know yes i saw news i don't know if you saw this

00:03:50.780 but there was news footage um there was a picture of luigi mangioni shirtless on a camping trip or

00:03:57.040 whatever and he was ripped like he was ripped and all the pundits were like oh my god those abs it

00:04:02.760 was like wow this is what we're talking about like he it was like it's preposterous to me he

00:04:08.520 is the world's most photogenic human it's ridiculous every picture of him is amazing and

00:04:13.420 madame t would have had that figure shoot people would be in there like you know and you know and

00:04:19.140 this is the thing like the week that he was like identity revealed or whatever what what the actual

00:04:24.480 madame tussauds was revealing do you know what they were revealing no that week a waxwork of

00:04:30.160 paddington oh hell yeah i mean i can't complain about that i love the paddington paddington 2

00:04:35.720 is like a flawless movie.

00:04:38.800 Everyone should see it.

00:04:40.580 And I mean, Hugh Grant is in it as the villain

00:04:44.100 and it is like the performance of his career.

00:04:46.740 I am not even joking right now.

00:04:48.160 It is required viewing.

00:04:50.420 They always get like an A plus lister

00:04:52.840 for the villain in those movies.

00:04:53.940 I don't know.

00:04:54.200 Have you seen the movies?

00:04:55.220 I've not seen the movies,

00:04:56.040 but all I've heard is that they're so good.

00:04:57.960 They are so good.

00:04:59.100 I mean, if your heart is not warmed, 0.98

00:05:01.560 you are a monster. 0.93

00:05:03.120 like you're a grade a irredeemable monster but also um luigi mangioni is really apt and probably 0.99

00:05:09.860 this is why you're bringing it up because in some ways you can trace the history of the glamorous

00:05:14.160 assassin back to charlotte corday right it was i was thinking of him when i was going through this

00:05:21.000 because it was a it was the real thing just like a person who's gorgeous and a murderer i mean

00:05:27.040 allegedly for luigi allegedly right definitely for charlotte but yeah and just the way that this 0.87

00:05:32.440 person kind of takes the world by storm the art world you know the other really hot assassin this

00:05:38.880 was i um uh i did you know i do a podcast called the art of crime as listeners might know might

00:05:45.680 know and each season is structured around a different theme and the second season was all

00:05:50.020 about assassins and so the big name on that season was john wilkes booth who obviously assassinated

00:05:55.520 president abraham lincoln what i had not known going into that was obviously john wilkes booth

00:06:01.520 was an actor that is pretty common knowledge um but he was like considered to be the hottest man

00:06:07.800 alive basically in the mid-19th century um it is really funny to read some of these contemporary

00:06:14.640 eyewitness accounts of his performances because everyone is just gushing and like men and women

00:06:20.900 everyone everyone is like oh my god what a roman god what an apollo what an adonis you name it

00:06:26.880 And, you know, they're just like fanning themselves in the theater. 0.99

00:06:29.880 Yeah.

00:06:30.820 Yeah.

00:06:31.400 So personally, I don't see it.

00:06:33.540 But, you know, I'm not a 19th century person.

00:06:36.780 And to each his, her, their own.

00:06:39.960 Well, and it's interesting to me, too, because in my historical research, too, when you read about someone who's like, this is the most gorgeous person who ever lived.

00:06:47.600 And then I look up a portrait and I'm like, him?

00:06:50.560 So I think a lot of it might be like in person, the charisma really wins you over.

00:06:55.280 Yes, I think that's part of it.

00:06:56.560 Although I will say, not to sound like kind of a little bit superficial, but to be kind

00:07:01.460 of a little bit superficial, in the John Wilkes Booth episode, I also had to talk about John

00:07:07.660 Brown, the abolitionist, and John Wilkes Booth was actually present at John Brown's execution.

00:07:13.740 Okay, John Brown had it going on in a timeless way, not in a 19th century way, like in a

00:07:20.280 timeless way.

00:07:21.220 so just I think tuck that away file that away somewhere in your brain and um look at look him

00:07:26.680 up later it's interesting it's it is honestly I was saying I just posted about this the other day

00:07:31.580 on social media because I was like I'm consistently disappointed when I read about it's like this is

00:07:36.040 the most handsome man ever and I look at the picture and I'm like especially in like we'll

00:07:41.320 eat the Charlotte Corday time period where it's like the men are wearing like wigs and stuff but

00:07:45.700 It's just like, no one looks good in those ways.

00:07:48.560 They could.

00:07:49.500 I mean, yeah, it's true.

00:07:51.180 I can't really think of any...

00:07:52.680 I mean, wasn't...

00:07:53.960 Who's an example of a man who was supposed to look good

00:07:56.520 from this period who you looked up?

00:07:58.500 Can you think of one right now?

00:08:00.020 I'm trying to...

00:08:01.360 Oh, no one you would have heard of, honestly.

00:08:03.980 Okay.

00:08:05.240 I'm doing some pretty deep cuts coming up in this podcast.

00:08:07.900 Okay, okay. 0.95

00:08:08.420 Some of the French Revolutionary guys

00:08:10.920 were supposed to have been pretty hot,

00:08:13.540 And they were like, spoiler, not.

00:08:16.600 I think it's part of your due diligence as a historian, right?

00:08:19.260 Is to perform a hotness check on each subject.

00:08:23.180 And I think that the listeners deserve to know

00:08:25.440 when I'm talking about someone who is hot

00:08:27.300 so they can factor that in.

00:08:29.560 I mean, you would be doing them a disservice otherwise.

00:08:32.180 If they didn't know.

00:08:33.000 And so I will say today's topic, Charlotte Corday, gorgeous.

00:08:35.960 Hot. She had it going on.

00:08:37.740 And it's not just the hat,

00:08:39.740 which I'm sure we will talk about at great length.

00:08:42.860 There's a, there's some real fashion moments in this story for sure. 0.94

00:08:48.720 Um, but yeah, that was the thing she was, when she was, um, 1.00

00:08:52.320 arrested and brought in like, spoiler, she's going to be arrested.

00:08:55.400 Everyone was just like, my God.

00:08:57.460 I'm like, okay.

00:08:58.540 It's like, if I had to be assassinated by someone, I guess I would choose her. 0.90

00:09:02.060 Right. 0.98

00:09:02.680 Sitting in your bathtub.

00:09:03.860 Like, who do you want to see?

00:09:04.680 I guess her.

00:09:05.720 Right. 0.58

00:09:07.000 She was the original femme fatale, you know? 0.95

00:09:09.740 Literally. 1.00

00:09:10.300 Literally.

00:09:11.140 Okay.

00:09:11.500 And so I do want to say I've been pleased this season so far.

00:09:15.080 We've been looking at the women revolutionaries and none of them have been called Marie, which

00:09:19.180 just makes me happy because everyone.

00:09:21.980 It's either a Marie or a Louis or a Jacques.

00:09:25.300 Yeah.

00:09:25.800 But I will say Charlotte Corday technically is Marie.

00:09:28.840 Her name was Marie Anne Charlotte de Corday.

00:09:32.080 She's letting us down right from the outset.

00:09:34.640 But you know what?

00:09:35.380 Apparently, yeah.

00:09:36.360 There's time for her to redeem herself.

00:09:37.960 Okay.

00:09:38.640 God knows.

00:09:39.060 so and apparently people called her marie in her life so she is technically a marie

00:09:43.760 but she's known as charlotte corday so that's what we're gonna call her cool well i guess it

00:09:49.240 was more like her friends and family called her marie but like charlotte corday was her you know

00:09:52.540 assassin name right students of her life can refer to her as charlotte corday we're not on

00:09:57.620 such intimate terms with no exactly we're not we're not close friends so she's born i always

00:10:01.440 like to say i don't know i started i always say the birth dates of people and i'm like do i need

00:10:05.820 to do this? And I was like, I do. Cause the, the horoscope girlies need to know like this,

00:10:10.520 this means something to somebody. So she's born July 27th, 1768 in Normandy in France,

00:10:17.980 her father Jacques. There you go. Of course he, so she was from a noble family, but he was like

00:10:25.520 the younger son of the noble family. So there's that whole thing where it's like, yes, your family

00:10:30.460 is noble but you are not actually wealthy like that sort of situation which we hear a lot um and

00:10:37.240 also she was there the whole family is descended from i've not heard of this person the french

00:10:41.120 dramatist pierre corneille oh you will have heard of him by the end of this episode let me tell you

00:10:45.860 that well teaser well you've already heard of him obviously but you'll know a thing or two more

00:10:51.040 about him oh fantastic so her mother was also a destitute noble woman called charlotte so she's

00:10:58.620 born into this kind of family that's like technically i don't know aristocrats but poor 0.93

00:11:04.780 this poor family but they have this sheen of like well but we're not we're not like you poors we're

00:11:11.860 yeah they've got a title and the title is worth something not much but something um so she was 1.00

00:11:18.500 the fourth of five children and she was as a girl she was a quiet child given to moods studious and

00:11:24.880 serious we're gonna see that she's like a big like reader she likes to just be alone with her books

00:11:29.040 and her thoughts and she's like that as a kid when she was 13 her mother and one of her sisters both

00:11:34.720 died and her father jacques was like i can't i'm poor i can't raise these children by myself and

00:11:41.900 so charlotte and her surviving sister eleanor were sent to live in a convent um in a place called

00:11:47.380 can c-a-e-n don't know how to pronounce that yeah i'm not sure either t-b-h it's also in normandy

00:11:55.380 can't like shout out to anyone who lives there anyway so she went there and this is actually a

00:12:00.440 great move because she's provided an excellent education by the nuns because she just she's a

00:12:05.180 studious girl she likes to read books and the nuns were like guess what we have here so many books

00:12:10.000 i was thinking about this a little bit because you have to be careful of a bookworm because

00:12:15.100 bookworms can form very strong opinions about things like politics and other weighty matters.

00:12:22.260 And of course, that's exactly what Cordae will do later on.

00:12:25.520 No, exactly. Exactly.

00:12:26.860 Deep thinkers.

00:12:28.180 Someone who's reading a lot, it can be, you know, books can be dangerous. And that's why

00:12:31.980 some people want to ban some books.

00:12:33.700 That's right. Get them out of here. 0.99

00:12:37.320 So she was shy. She's awkward. But by the nuns, she was taught to be well-mannered and refined.

00:12:42.560 She thrived at the nun school.

00:12:46.640 She eventually, it says, she exuded an easy elegance befitting her aristocratic background.

00:12:51.400 So she's gorgeous.

00:12:52.380 She's elegant.

00:12:53.260 She's well-read. 0.53

00:12:54.420 She's also talented at drawing and singing and also gorgeous.

00:12:58.840 She's got it going on.

00:12:59.920 She's the full package. 0.54

00:13:01.660 Yeah. 0.95

00:13:01.960 So this describes her. 1.00

00:13:03.340 She's about five feet tall.

00:13:04.780 She's slender with soft gray eyes, a high forehead, and a dimpled chin. 0.78

00:13:09.040 the hair color is like up for debate because she was described as having auburn hair but later

00:13:14.500 in portraits it seems like it's blonde but i will say i'm a person as a kid i had very red hair and

00:13:20.520 it's gotten less red as i aged so i will say i read an entire academic essay on this very topic

00:13:27.560 in preparation for this episode and according to that scholar her hair is given as chestnut on her

00:13:33.780 passport, which is like a government document and is therefore reliable. But as you mentioned,

00:13:39.880 she is blonded, quote unquote, over the course of many years in various visual depictions of her.

00:13:46.620 And there's a lot of interesting stuff going on there. Yeah. So I don't know. She's gorgeous,

00:13:50.680 like hair dye, not a thing. Wigs might be involved. I don't know. She's like her hair 1.00

00:13:55.520 color for debate. So she's also like, again, studious. She could often be found in the convent

00:14:01.480 library engrossed in Greek and Roman histories. And this is a big thing because she's a big fan

00:14:07.640 of reading about the classics. She likes to read about the ancient Rome and ancient Greece and

00:14:12.580 what were their democracies like and what were the philosophies of basically democracy. She's

00:14:18.980 just really interested in what is fair and just and what is a good society. That's what she's

00:14:25.260 reading about. And a lot of people were, honestly, in the last couple episodes and the ones coming

00:14:31.120 up after this, like women in this time period and men, I guess, too, I'm not reading about them,

00:14:36.800 but people were really interested in reading about ancient Greece and ancient Rome and like

00:14:40.380 the concept of a republic and like that whole thing. Right. And what do you do if you have

00:14:45.980 a Julius Caesar, for example? What are the things you can do to solve a problem like Julius Caesar?

00:14:53.300 And Charlotte would say and Brutus would say you stab Caesar many times. Yes, exactly.

00:15:00.900 That's what you do.

00:15:02.020 So she's kind of, she's reading all these things.

00:15:04.560 She's such a bookworm.

00:15:06.740 And then as she's growing up, like again, she's born in 1768.

00:15:09.180 So like, as like, this is like the French revolution, like officially quote unquote

00:15:12.880 kicks off in 1789.

00:15:14.240 But like there was, it didn't suddenly happen.

00:15:17.040 Like there was protests, there was unhappiness well before that.

00:15:21.520 And so she's aware of the political tension going on in France.

00:15:25.540 And so she's like, I want to read some contemporary philosophy.

00:15:29.100 this is like you know what it's relatable it's like she didn't have the internet but she had

00:15:33.480 books and she's like oh i want to read like this wikipedia article i want to like deep dive on

00:15:37.980 these topics yeah i mean she was keyed into political discourse and she was all into like

00:15:42.960 uh rousseau and voltaire too right yeah now this is the point where she kind of pivots through

00:15:48.540 reading about like the classics to reading about like rousseau and voltaire and just kind of like

00:15:52.260 what what are these guys saying like what what are some contemporary like she's not you know

00:15:56.860 she's in the convent school she like she took lessons obviously but she's doing her own reading

00:16:00.560 like she's doing kind of like a self-guided like philosophy degree basically with all of her

00:16:06.300 reading that she's doing check her out she's intrigued by all the stuff and so when the

00:16:10.560 revolution begins may 1789 the storming of a bestie the steel she's 20 years old and she's

00:16:17.280 just like in haon wherever this is this like little rural area and she's just like what's

00:16:22.960 the latest news what's the facts like she's waiting to get the dispatches to know like

00:16:26.200 what's happening in Versailles, what's happening in Paris. She was, I want to say, like, small

00:16:31.260 R Republican is what people were back then. So those are people who want, like, a republic

00:16:38.220 instead of, like, a monarchy, basically. Or what is it called, where you have, like, a monarch,

00:16:43.600 but also parliament. So she's just, like, she probably would have been happy with what the

00:16:47.380 revolution was doing early days, like the Declaration of Rights of Men and the Citizen.

00:16:51.200 Like, she's just like, yes, this is, like, Rome times. This is, like, ancient Rome, ancient Greece

00:16:55.740 vibes. I love it. Yes. And the people who are doing those documents were also like, let's be

00:17:00.240 like ancient Greece and ancient Roman times. So like intentionally, it was it was those sorts of

00:17:05.080 things. It was nice. It must have felt gratifying for her to be able to trace a kind of through

00:17:08.660 line from some of the classical readings she had done to political discussions that were happening

00:17:13.540 in the present moment and that were affecting just momentous change. Right. Yeah. I remember

00:17:19.860 she was growing up like poor. So I think she would have been like, yeah, you know what? Our society

00:17:23.720 does need some fixing like the younger siblings of of noblemen like are poor like let's let's

00:17:30.700 change some stuff right she was that rare aristocrat who could kind of relate to the 0.87

00:17:36.060 everyday struggles of less fortunate french people and you said she's the rare aristocrat

00:17:41.700 she's also like within her family like the rest of her family was just like uh like we're aristocrats

00:17:47.320 so like we don't support this but both of her brothers left the family to join the the army

00:17:53.260 to like defend the monarch like got the hell out of dodge yeah yeah so on the night before her

00:17:58.100 youngest brother is going to go to leave the army the family had a farewell dinner in which someone

00:18:01.780 made a toast to louis the 16th charlotte alone did not stand for this toast um when her father

00:18:08.580 asked why she refused to drink to the health of their good and virtuous king she responded

00:18:13.460 i believe he is virtuous but a weak king cannot be a good king he is powerless to prevent the

00:18:18.220 misfortunes of his people. I love that. I love that because there's like a little bit of nuance

00:18:24.300 to her objection, right? She's like, listen, no one's saying he isn't virtuous. Okay. But like,

00:18:30.200 look, people are suffering under his rule. So he's weak. He's not powerful enough to

00:18:34.920 improve the lives of his subjects. It's just like relatable in the sense of like, you know,

00:18:40.760 a family at a Thanksgiving dinner or whatever, like everyone's politics don't agree. And some

00:18:46.260 like 20 year old who's just been reading you know some philosophy is like hey actually i have strong

00:18:53.080 opinions it's just like yeah it is it is a relatable god yeah yeah so then she was asked

00:18:59.500 by her family like are you oh my god charlotte are you a small r republican and she's like i

00:19:06.400 should be if the french were worthy of a republic oh snap yes charlotte that's what i'm talking

00:19:13.320 about she's got some good lines she's got she's like gorgeous and she can she can read you it's

00:19:20.680 like she can read it she's like i knew i was born to go down in the history books okay let me tell

00:19:25.820 you i've got the looks i've got the wits i've got it all exactly so other than this dinner apparently

00:19:32.840 she she mostly just avoided talking about politics with her family because she's just like you know 0.99

00:19:36.940 what i don't have the energy for this whatever so but then she's personally affected july 1790 1.00

00:19:42.660 the national assembly which is like the new government they ordered that all convents and

00:19:48.940 monasteries in france should be closed because part of their thing was like we're gonna like

00:19:53.400 change the religion a little bit which meant charlotte who'd been living in this convent 1.00

00:19:57.740 couldn't live there anymore because it was closed right that's a problem she's removed from her 1.00

00:20:01.960 library like devastating yeah and she must not have had a lot of like a library in her own house 1.00

00:20:09.700 growing up, right? Because she came from a family that was not well off. And books were so expensive

00:20:14.780 at this time. Yeah. So anyway, she read all she could and now she can't have books anymore. So

00:20:19.600 she's, rather than moving back with her father, she remained in Cannes, moving in with, she had

00:20:25.640 a cousin there, Madame de Bretheville, who is like a cousin, but like a wealthy cousin. So I feel like

00:20:31.220 books are on the table. Love it. Yeah. So despite their political differences in that her cousin

00:20:37.860 like supported the king um the two became close friends and uh charlotte was actually named as

00:20:44.600 her cousin's sole heir so i guess madame de bretheville unmarried or no she's madame a

00:20:49.800 widowed no children well i think that's actually interesting because that means that you know

00:20:56.040 future livelihood is at stake later on when charlotte makes her big decisions she's you know 0.55

00:21:04.540 she could she could have lived probably quite comfortably if she was going to inherit everything 0.99

00:21:09.080 that her cousin owned and her cousin loved her enough to kind of take her in and support her

00:21:14.000 so yeah exactly so it's like charlotte she's yeah yeah she's giving something up when she's doing

00:21:21.240 this not unlike allegedly luigi who also came from a wealthy family right so meanwhile back in

00:21:30.740 the revolution is happening like she's in can and but like in paris it's like the streets are

00:21:37.800 running red with blood basically so by september 1792 and we've talked about like in the last

00:21:43.320 couple episodes of this show it's like they haven't all come out yet but each episode it's

00:21:47.240 like somebody it's a woman living in the french revolution and each time we get like a bit further

00:21:51.440 into the story and then the woman dies so it's like we have i keep cutting off at around the

00:21:56.820 same time but um but actually i should mention in all the episodes all the women who've talked

00:22:01.840 about before charlotte corday in all of them i'm like and then charlotte corday killed jean-paul

00:22:05.460 morat like that's happened in all the stories so it's like we're explaining the backstory

00:22:08.820 teased so many times now we're gonna get into it but here so it's like those other women we've 1.00

00:22:13.600 talked about they're out there doing their thing um you know beating people up with their wooden 1.00

00:22:18.240 clogs etc so um by september 1792 the french revolutionary wars were underway the monarchy

00:22:26.020 had been overthrown and the first French Republic had been established so like things are happening

00:22:30.320 real quickly so then we've got the as we talk about in every episode you know last time we

00:22:37.460 talked Gavin about Madame T I was just I was a baby in terms of my learning about the French

00:22:42.100 Revolution I know a lot more now uh-huh I know about the Girondins I know about the Jacobins

00:22:48.040 I know that I know the difference oh hell yeah so this I had to like figure this out but I

00:22:54.060 understand it now so basically we've got the girondins and they're um they're worried they're

00:23:00.360 more um they're less fanatical the girondins are a bit more like guys can we chill for a minute

00:23:07.420 please like let's have a king and we can have like you know like a parliament system but let's not 0.83

00:23:11.800 murder everybody it's like what if we didn't murder everyone and the jacobins are like but

00:23:16.820 what if we did murder everyone i see your point but 0.56

00:23:21.180 so this is kind of it so the shiron so like the jacobins are like so the jacobins are this is

00:23:29.520 like rose pierre we talked about this in the last episode but i i kind of because i came to

00:23:34.820 understand this in last week's episode so like the jacobins are like let's just have this like

00:23:38.600 big overthrow but they can't do it on their own they're like well let's get the mob to like let's

00:23:42.840 pretend that we're with the mob because the mob that's like they have the numbers they have the

00:23:46.760 people so the jacobins are kind of like working alongside the mob who they would spoiler later 0.97

00:23:51.120 murder many of anyway so the jacobins that's what they're up to they're just kind of being like like 0.95

00:23:56.840 a contemporary politician might today to be like yeah you the working class i'm with you it's like 1.00

00:24:01.460 well you're not really but you just want their votes or whatever right and the girondins were

00:24:05.560 like okay too much of the revolution's fate is being dictated by the mob um and like do you like 0.68

00:24:11.840 the paris mob and it's like you know there's like a whole rest of france like there's a whole rest

00:24:16.240 of country like right paris mob can't decide everything anyway so these are the two sides

00:24:21.660 and charlotte is on the girondin side that's kind of like guys can we come down for a minute please

00:24:26.700 it's like maybe could we like not execute our king like maybe we're going a little bit too far

00:24:32.140 there you know yeah let's just like read some classical philosophers and try to do like a small 0.91

00:24:38.120 our republic and um let's just kind of be chill please so she's grossed out by the mob violence 0.94

00:24:45.160 that the jacobin activists are like encouraging and this is like just philosophically she's 0.94

00:24:51.420 opposed to it but also it's affected her personally so april 1793 um the jacobins 0.98

00:24:57.740 they're like sending search parties out into like the countryside to find like enemies of the

00:25:02.400 republic and one of the people they found was father gombo who was a priest who had administered

00:25:09.160 the last rites to her mother back when charlotte was 13 so this is like her like parish local

00:25:14.060 priest right and he was a counter-revolutionary he was i guess a girondin he was executed on i

00:25:21.000 want to mention april 5th which is my birthday i love that i mentioned that because i don't know

00:25:29.180 about other people's birthdays, but things in history often happen on April 5th. And I'm just

00:25:34.640 like, what a day. Well, my birthday is April 30th, which means you recently celebrated your

00:25:40.440 birthday and I'm getting ready to celebrate my birthday, which is perfect. So my birthday is

00:25:45.540 April 30th and Hitler committed suicide on April 30th. So it's a pretty good, pretty good day for 1.00

00:25:51.720 history. These are the, I think, is this why you and I are interested in history? Because we were

00:25:56.800 born on these days yeah like significant days we're deep we probe history so deeply we're like

00:26:03.120 how does this relate to my birth exactly charlotte corday what is her connection to me i need to know

00:26:10.720 yeah so you're taurus or you're aries i'm taurus yeah okay i'm not a big like horoscope guy but

00:26:17.360 you know i am taurus that's me i i am aries and i one of the reasons i think this is very aries of

00:26:25.220 me i don't know i don't know anything about any star sign except for aries because i'm like

00:26:29.340 why do i need to know about anyone except for me

00:26:31.620 so people like oh that's so sagittarius i'm like don't know what that means

00:26:37.260 all i know is aries i'm fiery so anyway so anyway so this priest was killed on my birthday

00:26:46.180 um and then charlotte is just like this is getting like now it's personal

00:26:50.540 right she's she's like john wick she's that's right she is is that charlotte corday or keanu

00:26:56.920 reeves like i am not sure exactly and so after his death like so like these like jacobin like

00:27:03.800 counter-revolutionary hunters are going to the countryside they're killing people

00:27:06.740 so they went to can't this is the first person to be guillotined in can't i guess they had to like

00:27:11.400 drive the guillotine there to do it and then after his death political violence in the place where

00:27:17.040 she lived became more frequent. So she's like living in it. She's in it. She's seeing the

00:27:21.280 violence. She's seeing the death. It's spreading outward. And then on this podcast, we're always

00:27:25.700 excited for a pamphlet moment. Oh God. Yes. Give me a pamphlet. So the pamphlets arrive like in

00:27:33.480 camp. So there's pamphlets attacking the Jacobins, accusing them of instigating violence, which is

00:27:38.140 true. So Charlotte, like for sure would have read these pamphlets. Like she's politically involved.

00:27:43.280 she's a big reader and she's in the city like she's gonna see this pamphlet one of the pamphlets

00:27:47.640 read let marat's head fall and the republic is saved so there you go might put some ideas in her

00:27:53.860 head i know right now it's like i got a guillotine for this guy yeah so i think you know she like had

00:28:01.840 these ideas she had these thoughts she supports the republic but then to be like suddenly to have

00:28:05.660 the violence right outside of your house like literal a guillotine it's like you know like it

00:28:11.200 it radicalizes anyone really to see death like yeah i mean she's literally grown up among nuns

00:28:17.720 let's not forget and yeah and now she's like all right where's the nearest knife like give me a

00:28:23.180 kitchen knife someone i mean yeah it is it is radicalization isn't it yeah so i think like if

00:28:28.720 we look at her actions in the context of what was happening around her it's like people are killing

00:28:33.440 people everywhere in front of her so it's like why wouldn't you get your kitchen knife right

00:28:40.400 what's what's one more dead guy you know yeah yeah exactly she it's not like she's doing this

00:28:45.720 in the middle of this like utopia oh but she the dead guy she chose it's like so significant on

00:28:50.920 one hand it's like oh it's one more dead body but it's the death of jean paul marat which is you

00:28:55.560 know yeah extraordinarily significant as she herself would eloquently articulate later

00:29:00.180 so june 2nd 1793 the day after my sister's birthday when was hepburn born and like how

00:29:09.360 does Hepburn fit into this story? Oh, man, I wish I don't know when she was born, but her honorary

00:29:14.880 birthday is January 1st, because that's the birthday that the vets give cats when you don't

00:29:19.480 know the birthday. She's a mysterious. Well, maybe we can just claim that Jean-Paul Marat

00:29:23.860 was born on January 1st. Yeah. Just to make sure there's a connection. There has to be connections

00:29:29.340 to everything. Yeah. So June 2nd, 1793. So this is the purging of the Girondins from the National

00:29:36.080 convention we talked about that when this episode comes out i think last time where robespierre got

00:29:41.280 like the lady song culotte with their like handheld knives to be like the woman army and like

00:29:47.960 anyway the girondins were purged from the national convention because robespierre is like can't have 0.57

00:29:53.340 these people here i need only extreme fanatics in my national convention thank you so after their

00:30:00.220 so the leaders of the girondins were arrested the remaining girondins and their supporters 0.55

00:30:04.220 escaped to rural areas of france like con there you go so this became a bastion for girondins on

00:30:11.940 the run so a lot of them took up residence at the hotel de l'intendance which is only a short stroll 1.00

00:30:18.460 from the estate where charlotte lived with her cousins so she's now like seeing these girondin 0.86

00:30:23.700 leaders and that's her team that's her side and they're like in her little village now so she's

00:30:27.880 just like she's in it like she could not uh-huh be any more in it so they had meetings you know

00:30:33.880 they gave speeches she's attending them she's like listen to those speeches there was a military

00:30:40.260 parade held by the girondins on july 7th as a defiant show of force against the jacobins so

00:30:46.440 she's like this little village where she lives it's like everything's happening right there around 0.97

00:30:52.360 her like of course she's all in it yeah there's no there's no way to escape revolutionary politics

00:30:59.040 And, and also to have heard, you know, eyewitness accounts of people who had come from Paris, you know, that must have made it much more real too, because then you're not just reading about it in a pamphlet or anything like that. You're, I mean, you're hearing people who really came very close to mortal danger, other forms of danger, you know.

00:31:16.820 you know what like this is all going to pivot back to what we're talking about before which

00:31:20.520 is historical hotness uh-huh and i want to say that this one i think i agree with

00:31:25.240 so one of the girondin leaners to arrive in con was the handsome charles barbareau oh okay now if

00:31:32.220 you look up charles barbareau the first portrait that comes out he's wearing a hat kind of like

00:31:36.320 charles hat that she later wears and he's kind of half in shadow in this kind of like sexy

00:31:40.720 exciting way um and i was like oh no he's got like a dimple on his chin i'm like oh yep i think

00:31:45.900 you know i think i think he was a handsome man i think you needed it didn't charlotte corday

00:31:51.540 have dimples she had a dimple in her chin there you go i mean it's it's the rest of it but it is

00:31:56.500 what is the phrase it is it is necessary and sufficient to hotness to have the dimple chin

00:32:05.020 exactly so she meets charles barbaro who's like hot which matters to me um not to her there's

00:32:12.180 never any she's never exists nothing I've read has anything about her having any interest or

00:32:17.700 you know what so like asexual community here's your heroine she never in her life I didn't see

00:32:24.200 anything about her ever thinking about romantic or sexual relationships later on people would

00:32:28.720 allege things yeah um right yeah anyway so she meets Charles Barbaro and she's like this guy's

00:32:33.480 hot but more importantly he's a Girondin leader and all I care about is politics there you go

00:32:39.000 And so he's like, what we are doing, me and the Girondins, we want to raise forces, we

00:32:42.660 want to march to Paris, and we want to overthrow the Jacobins.

00:32:45.340 And she's like, I am down for that.

00:32:47.920 Like, hell yeah.

00:32:49.400 So she was convinced by everything we've just talked about that she's experienced and seen. 0.91

00:32:54.840 She's just like the Jacobins are leading France down a dark and bloody path. 0.95

00:32:58.640 True.

00:32:58.900 If they were not stopped, she wholeheartedly believed the revolution would become corrupt

00:33:04.560 and thousands would die, which did happen. 0.97

00:33:08.640 So she decided the only way to prevent civil war slaughter would be to kill a Jacobin leader. 0.92

00:33:14.280 And then it's like, which one should I choose? 0.83

00:33:16.940 So we've got Maximilien Robespierre.

00:33:19.600 We've got Camille Desmoulins, who we haven't talked about, but we will later.

00:33:24.260 But she ended up choosing Jean-Paul Murat, who she believed was the most deserving of death.

00:33:30.180 So we're going to explain why she chose him, who he was.

00:33:34.580 So Murat was a physician prior to the revolution.

00:33:38.160 Um, and so he had become a prominent revolutionary activist who could often be found at the center

00:33:44.140 of the revolution's bloodiest moments.

00:33:46.440 So whenever a crowd of people stormed a place and murdered everyone in that place, Murat

00:33:51.140 was there.

00:33:51.720 Like he's like on the front lines of all these things.

00:33:54.200 Fanning the flames. 0.98

00:33:56.100 Stabbing the people. 0.99

00:33:57.140 Yeah.

00:33:57.720 And he also has a newspaper called the Friend of the People, which had instigated the infamous

00:34:03.780 September massacres.

00:34:05.280 i think oh there's so many there's like the october days the september massacres yes anyway

00:34:10.780 but truly fanning the flames like if we think about him as like modern times he's like he's

00:34:14.780 the joe rogan of his time he's just like people are listening and they're doing what he says and

00:34:20.240 the things he says to do are pretty shitty things there i mean he calls for mass violence at one

00:34:25.540 point you know he he becomes a deputy in the national convention and he's literally calling

00:34:29.820 on people to rise up against the convention and overthrow the government so it really is like one

00:34:36.020 of these figures who i mean you know josh hawley famously you know a senator in the united states

00:34:42.120 like pumped his fist in the air to the mob on january 6th right before the capital riot took

00:34:47.420 place i mean he he definitely comes to mind a figure like that yeah so somebody who's fanning

00:34:52.240 the flames so this is where we see like charlotte again she's thinking like who should i kill it's 0.88

00:34:57.300 Like, I could kill the leader. 0.90

00:34:58.060 It's like, no, I'm going to kill this guy who's, like, fanning the flames. 0.99

00:35:01.280 It's this guy who's, like, making everything kind of worse with his newspaper.

00:35:06.740 So with him dead, she felt that, like, the worst of Jacobin exorcists could be avoided.

00:35:11.740 But she also felt that she was working in tandem with handsome Charles Barbaro and this whole kind of, like, the Girondins.

00:35:17.560 We're going to go to Paris.

00:35:18.480 We're going to overthrow everything. 0.81

00:35:19.760 Like, she's part.

00:35:21.040 Well, he didn't know she was going to do that, and he didn't ask her to do this.

00:35:24.620 but she felt she was part of philosophically this team and so she's like do you watch doctor who are

00:35:32.480 you familiar with doctor who um no i not really i'm vaguely vaguely familiar all i'm going to tell

00:35:39.040 you is there's an episode of doctor who called let's kill hitler exclamation point and so she's

00:35:43.740 like let's kill marat exclamation point there you go so she anyway so she's gonna kill marat this is

00:35:51.960 what she's gonna do and she came to this decision because as you mentioned she she be careful of a 0.97

00:35:58.560 bookworm like because she's been reading about like the the murder of Julius Caesar she's been

00:36:02.840 reading about like ancient Greece ancient Rome and she's just like okay like I have a sense of

00:36:07.640 destiny like she'd been reading philosophers talking about like everybody you know the power

00:36:12.500 of the individual and stuff and so she didn't see this as a murder she saw this as like a necessary

00:36:17.740 sacrifice for the betterment of society she knew that she would die for doing this she 0.87

00:36:24.900 well because her for her plan was that she's going to go to the national convention and kill 0.90

00:36:29.580 him in front of everybody and she's like i know that these people will rip be limb from limb it's

00:36:34.400 like right yeah they will that's what they do to people so she was like prepared to sacrifice her

00:36:39.620 life yeah but she wanted to this would be her contribution to france she would provide an

00:36:45.280 example for other patriots like she would show that it's like look look what one person kind of

00:36:51.400 like luigi she's like if i do this maybe it'll inspire other people to do similar things and so

00:36:57.160 but this is where she's like to have the greatest impact i have to do this um people need to know i

00:37:01.480 did this on purpose people can't be like oh a hysterical woman did a crazy thing right so every

00:37:07.280 step of what she did was written um and she wrote letters to charles barbareau and to her father 0.95

00:37:13.720 explaining what she was going to do like they would get the letters later and then she also

00:37:17.400 wrote uh letters to the french people and she pinned them inside of her clothes because she

00:37:22.420 thought like okay if when i'm ripped limb from limb like these papers will be discovered and

00:37:26.740 people will know so it's like my she's like i did this i did like i did this on purpose i'm not

00:37:30.780 yeah it speaks to her assertiveness and it's interesting too that she's sending these letters

00:37:35.040 to men who you might expect to have been authority figures in her life right she's like hey dad i'm

00:37:41.360 not asking your counsel i'm not seeking your input i'm telling you like i'm gonna go commit

00:37:45.520 an assassination love charlotte you know like it's really assertive and actually that's a really good

00:37:51.380 point too because we've talked in the other episodes before this um in this mini series about

00:37:55.860 and this will also come into effect after she's arrested but like women in france at this time 0.95

00:38:02.240 were encouraged to be quiet and modest and not involved in politics and assumed to be kind of

00:38:09.260 like all that they do is they do what their husbands tell them or what their fathers tell 0.89

00:38:13.260 them like it was a really shitty time right for women submissiveness the whole thing yeah so she 0.99

00:38:20.440 made her preparations but she informed no one like she wrote these letters but she didn't mail them 1.00

00:38:23.980 yet so she got from handsome charles barbaro she got a letter of introduction to a girondin who is

00:38:31.600 still somehow in the convention so she hoped that if she's like hey you know charles barbaro 0.90

00:38:36.080 introduced me she hoped to get into the convention so she could kill marat in front of everybody 0.84

00:38:40.520 so she's got everything coming together for her little plan she told her friends and family she

00:38:46.700 was going to england because she could no longer live in a country so torn by violence 0.84

00:38:51.140 and so it then she burned her papers like she sent out the letters she wanted people to read

00:38:56.880 she burned the rest of her papers i guess her like letters and diaries and then this is iconic

00:39:01.460 She left her Bible laying open, I guess, in her room, to the story of Judith killing Holofernes. 0.83

00:39:07.620 Hell, yes. 1.00

00:39:09.060 I had never heard that detail before, and I'm just loving it. 1.00

00:39:14.340 And Judith killing Holofernes is very important to me personally.

00:39:17.980 So that's a very famous painting by my famous painter, Artemisia Gentileschi,

00:39:22.220 because it's like a righteous woman who kills this man who's in charge of something.

00:39:26.520 I don't know if you can see, you can't see, but I will hold up my arm

00:39:29.220 because I have a tattoo of

00:39:31.060 Jumic Califronis on my arm.

00:39:33.460 I didn't realize that. That's pretty awesome.

00:39:35.340 When did you get that? I got this

00:39:37.260 like, I don't know, 2020,

00:39:39.240 2021. So it's a recent tattoo.

00:39:41.740 Yeah. It's kind of a late, or not

00:39:43.180 late life, but like,

00:39:44.960 yeah, I love that.

00:39:47.100 No, I was just like, so Charlotte,

00:39:49.520 c'est moi.

00:39:50.880 So she leaves open the Bible, open to the story 0.80

00:39:53.220 of like a woman who stabs a man to

00:39:55.220 death. It's just like, 1.00

00:39:56.920 iconic, iconic, on top of iconic.

00:39:59.220 um and again this how does the story relate to me that's another way so she wrote to her father

00:40:06.780 like one of her letters oh my god she so she would her father be like dear dad

00:40:10.960 but she also said like sorry for leaving home without your permission 0.97

00:40:15.560 it's like there's there are certain limits even to charlotte corday's assertiveness just like 1.00

00:40:23.380 i knew you wouldn't give me permission so i'm sorry dad yeah so it's exactly she's just it's 1.00

00:40:28.740 this balancing act that all the women we've been talking about all kind of have where they're like

00:40:32.140 hell yeah there should be rights for women but not so many that we have as many as men because men

00:40:36.920 are so it's like this crazy here right yeah yeah okay so then she took the coach to paris which

00:40:43.260 is like trains weren't invented yet so like some sort of you know bus mixed with carriage

00:40:48.320 and she arrives on june 11th so on the way a young man proposed marriage to her because 0.69

00:40:56.980 she's gorgeous she ignored him because she's a woman on a mission like this she's not here for 0.98

00:41:05.720 your meet cute yeah yeah in paris she took a room at the hotel de la providence and then made her 0.99

00:41:14.920 way to meet with a contact the guy the girondin who's in the um assembly and he's like oh bad

00:41:20.040 news marat is ill and confined to his lodgings he's not here today so just to explain where

00:41:26.540 was so he had arthritic psoriasis a skin condition that flared up on hot days and just to remember

00:41:34.120 this is july in paris which is a hot time even now but this is like an especially hot right

00:41:40.560 yeah because the climate climate change at that time weather was bananas it wasn't just because

00:41:48.920 charlotte corday rolled up in town people it was actually just hot it's getting hot in there 0.99

00:41:55.580 because she's in town, she's on the scene.

00:41:57.640 So it was like unusually hot at this point.

00:41:59.580 And so he has a skin condition that flares up on hot days,

00:42:01.720 which is why.

00:42:02.720 And honestly, I didn't know this.

00:42:04.660 Maybe you told me this before, but I forgot.

00:42:06.440 But it's like, that's why he's famously in his bathtub.

00:42:09.380 So one of the only easy,

00:42:10.800 one of the only ways to ease the itching of the sores on his body

00:42:13.900 was to soak in cool kaolin, which is a kind of clay.

00:42:17.700 So he's in like a clay bath,

00:42:20.440 which I think it's, you know,

00:42:21.840 like when you have chicken pox, like calamine lotion,

00:42:24.100 like I think it's that sort of thing.

00:42:25.580 yeah just to stop the itching part of what he did too was wrap his head in a vinegar soaked

00:42:30.380 um turban which is often or like a towel which is always why he's usually depicted with a turban

00:42:35.880 on his head yeah i didn't know that part it's apparently kind of like yeah kind of yeah like

00:42:41.200 it didn't smell very good a lot of i was gonna say on that yeah a vinegar turban yeah but basically

00:42:45.940 he was so like on these hot days like so he just like sat in the bathtub we'll explain about the

00:42:51.640 bathtub later. But like, basically he sat in the bathtub 24 hours a day. He was just in the

00:42:55.180 bathtub. He set up a desk next to him. He took meetings in the bathroom. He's just like, you

00:42:59.440 know, I have the skin condition. I have to be in a bathtub, but that's not going to stop me from

00:43:02.240 my important revolutionary work. Like he just got it done from the bathtub. But this meant that her

00:43:09.100 hopes for this big public moment, um, she couldn't stab him in front of everybody, but she was just

00:43:14.440 like okay pivot we got to go to plan b so on 8 a.m like we're getting into like you know we're

00:43:22.940 serious we're like on a crime documentary 8 a.m july 13 1793 yeah so the blazing sunshine

00:43:31.340 super like it's a hot day it's an exterior shot yeah she walks from her lodgings to the palais

00:43:39.300 Royale, which was crowded with outsiders who had arrived in the Capitol for, oh, so this is July

00:43:44.380 13th. Bastille Day is the next day, right? So this is the fifth anniversary of the storm of the

00:43:49.900 Bastille. So there's like street parties, celebrations, you know, there's always market

00:43:53.840 ladies on the street, but like there's vendors selling, I don't know, you know, like the

00:43:58.100 tricolored pins or whatever. Right. So she's just like blends into the crowd.

00:44:03.720 You've done H.H. Holmes on your podcast, have you? I haven't actually, but I'm familiar with him.

00:44:08.320 yeah and it reminds me because he set up his whole murder thing he's like what if i do this

00:44:12.880 during the like this big fair the world so many people are in town like people come and go like

00:44:18.780 you kind of like you're less noticed when there's a big crowd like this yeah it's so easy for people

00:44:24.000 to go missing too which was a big part of it because people would go to the fair to visit it

00:44:29.020 and then they would just disappear and it was like there are so many ways they could have gone missing

00:44:33.860 because Chicago was a big city

00:44:35.340 and so many people were there.

00:44:36.600 So it made it easier for Holmes

00:44:38.340 to get away with the crimes, yeah.

00:44:39.620 And maybe he was inspired by Charlotte Corday

00:44:41.580 because she came to town during these celebrations

00:44:44.000 so she could blend in with the crowds better.

00:44:46.160 Yeah.

00:44:46.480 So anyway, so she goes down to the...

00:44:49.080 By the time this episode comes out,

00:44:50.640 last week's episode,

00:44:51.400 I talked heavily about the market ladies. 0.94

00:44:54.080 And I love the market ladies.

00:44:56.440 I would die for the market ladies. 1.00

00:44:58.580 They are just like, they will cut a bitch. 1.00

00:45:01.280 Like, I'm thinking, I don't want to be... 1.00

00:45:03.860 I don't want to overstep a bound here,

00:45:05.460 but I'm wondering if it's a full body tattoo. 0.98

00:45:08.180 Like just market ladies, full body tattoo. 1.00

00:45:11.300 I am. 1.00

00:45:12.120 Think it over. 1.00

00:45:12.560 Market ladies. 1.00

00:45:13.220 Think it over. 1.00

00:45:14.080 Yes.

00:45:15.260 Anyway, so this is the only appearance of the market ladies in this story, 0.91

00:45:18.300 but they're there.

00:45:19.480 Like they are terrifying.

00:45:20.720 They will cut you.

00:45:23.480 Anyway, so from the market lady, she buys a newspaper, 0.92

00:45:26.980 a new tall black hat with black tassels and green ribbons.

00:45:31.980 yes love it and a kitchen knife with a wooden handle and a five inch blade i love it i like

00:45:38.820 to imagine that she made both purchases at the same establishment she's like i'll take this

00:45:44.220 jaunty hat which would look great on the grim reaper and this sharp kitchen knife please

00:45:49.640 and it's best deal day so anything goes anything's like okay it's like someone going into you know a

00:45:57.100 hardware store to be like i'm gonna buy these zip ties i'm gonna buy it's like and this chainsaw

00:46:02.080 and this machete and this roll of duct tape right oh and it's halloween so can i also get this full

00:46:08.140 face mask right yes um and it's like okay sir but it's best deal day so everyone's like cool

00:46:13.960 i love the hat detail we're gonna talk about her outfits but i love that part of her whole plan

00:46:19.160 was like i'm gonna wear this outfit it needs a hat like well this is actually one thing that 0.99

00:46:25.260 i'm really getting she had like she knew how to make a spectacle right i mean and that was part

00:46:32.520 of i think she did see herself as an actor on the world stage right on the historical stage however

00:46:38.360 you want to put it in many ways that's part of why she wanted to go into the convention and make a

00:46:42.120 scene of murdering him right but it's also why she wanted to look i mean well i mean come on if

00:46:48.320 you're like gonna go meet your destiny right you want to look good you don't look busted up but

00:46:52.960 also you know i think she wanted to um make a spectacle of herself in whatever way she could

00:46:59.080 just to you know enhance the impact of what she was going to do exactly and this it goes towards

00:47:06.620 like the planning like how she wrote out these letters she had the letter pinned to her like

00:47:09.800 she's just like i want everyone to know this was not a spur of the moment occasion yeah yeah she's

00:47:14.480 got she's she's got she has control over every aspect of it so she hides the uh knife beneath

00:47:21.800 her dress there's a lot a lot is in this bodice of this dress she's got her letters to french

00:47:27.700 she's got her blade it tells quite the story doesn't it every every bodice tells a story but

00:47:33.700 you know this one this one it just opens like mary poppin's back like things just keep coming

00:47:38.700 okay so she arrived close to 11 30 a.m and she's greeted at the door by catherine evrard who is

00:47:45.380 the sister of marat's fiance simone um catherine and charlotte was just like i i imagine her like

00:47:53.520 frantic weird energy because she's like like from this small town she's got this way i don't know

00:47:59.420 i don't know if she arrived and she was calm and cool or if she arrived and she's just like

00:48:02.240 so anyway whatever catherine turned her away she's just like no you can't see marat he's like

00:48:08.440 in the bathtub with covered in sores like who are you like i would let robespierre in because

00:48:14.440 their friends and business associates but you're just like a strange woman in a hat right like i 1.00

00:48:20.900 don't admit you got to take your hat off in my house show some respect so charlotte again she 1.00

00:48:26.100 has so it's like okay plan b didn't work so she's like okay plan c so she goes back to the hotel and

00:48:31.220 this is iconic she summoned a hairdresser i was gonna talk about this okay she summons a hairdresser

00:48:40.800 She's just like, she's like, I need a blow dry.

00:48:44.760 She's got some, listen, it's hot outside.

00:48:47.140 She's been running all over Paris.

00:48:48.620 Like it's time to freshen up, you know? 0.94

00:48:50.460 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:51.180 It's like, bring me some dry shampoo.

00:48:52.820 Like I need to get my chestnut slash blonde slash auburn hair.

00:48:56.480 It needs to be styled for this assassination.

00:48:59.520 Yes. 0.87

00:49:00.120 And then she changes her dress.

00:49:01.620 And you know what?

00:49:02.060 You're right.

00:49:02.400 The heat is probably why.

00:49:03.720 So she changes into a spotted muslin dress with a pink fichu shawl.

00:49:08.640 Oh my gosh.

00:49:09.220 Okay, good.

00:49:10.800 So then she has to take all the stuff from her previous dress into this dress,

00:49:13.840 but she tucks the knife,

00:49:15.840 her birth certificate and a letter to the French people inside of her bodice.

00:49:19.560 I guess the birth certificate is like ID. 0.77

00:49:21.140 So people know like who did this. Oh, Charlotte Corday. Yeah.

00:49:25.560 So one of these letters to the French people says, I'll quote part.

00:49:30.460 I can, this is like, dear, the French people,

00:49:33.480 I can offer you nothing but my life. 1.00

00:49:35.240 And I thank heaven that I am free to dispose of it.

00:49:37.460 I desire only that my head carried through Paris may be a rallying standard for all friends of the

00:49:44.140 law. Hell yeah. I mean, wow. That's commitment, right? I mean, when you're already imagining

00:49:49.980 your severed head being paraded around town, you're like, you're in it. I will say though,

00:49:55.780 like this is not, the conduct of this is a lot of people's severed heads were paraded around

00:50:00.220 at this time. It's not, she didn't, I would like my severed head as so many before me.

00:50:05.700 right there's a humility to it right it's like yeah and this is where i like my head with my new

00:50:12.960 blow-dried it's like as long as they put the hat on the hat must be

00:50:18.360 okay so then she put on her hat um and headed out so it's now it's 7 p.m so she returns to

00:50:26.600 morat's house um her arrival coincided like finally luck is on her side with a delivery

00:50:32.360 of fresh bread i assume baguettes um and the day's newspapers so she was able to slip in

00:50:39.320 with this crowd of people so she came inside and headed up the stairs bold um but then she

00:50:45.920 was stopped at the top of the stairs by simone who is marat's fiance who is suspicious understandably 1.00

00:50:52.800 like what who is this strange woman in my house wearing this hat uh-huh um and she's just like

00:50:58.800 why are you so determined to see marat like it's the french revolution i'm suspicious like good 0.96

00:51:04.880 uh-huh so corday was like i have news about traitors in normandy like and she raised her

00:51:11.660 voice so that marat could overhear in the next room which was the bathroom uh-huh um and so

00:51:17.600 simone was going to send her on her way but then marat's voice came from the bathroom saying let

00:51:21.520 her in so simone led corday into the room where marat was soaking in the tub soaking in his tub

00:51:27.820 with his vinegar turban getting some work done editing you know for friend of the people he is

00:51:34.820 he had a piece of wood laying across to act as a writing desk on the bathtub like people have those

00:51:39.240 for bathtubs now where you have kind of like your thing you put your book on it you can put

00:51:42.500 like your drink like have a mimosa you know it's a day i'm working from the tub today you know yeah

00:51:47.200 work from tub day yeah and so he was talking to charlotte and simone stayed because she was just

00:51:53.280 like i'm gonna stay in this room i have let's see what's going on yeah and so she was just he 0.62

00:52:00.940 questioned her about like the supposed girondes traitors in can which like she had literal

00:52:05.820 information because she like hung out with all them she's like yeah there's charles barbaro he's

00:52:09.160 super hot there's like they have there's pamphlets that was the first thing that corday addressed in

00:52:15.320 in the bathroom just like okay there's a very steamy charles that everyone needs to know about

00:52:19.640 Yeah. This is the information I have for you. He's hot. This is dangerous. Anyway, so she supplied him with a list of the traitors. And then Murat said, good. In a few days, I will have them all guillotined. And then eventually Simone was like, you know what? This is a business meeting. It's been like 15 minutes.

00:52:40.740 it's boring yeah like okay i'm gonna bounce so she left and then when she left charlotte reached 0.73

00:52:47.460 into her dress drew out the knife plunged it into marat's right side just beneath the clavicle

00:52:53.040 he managed to shout help me my beloved but by the time simone came back in he was unresponsive

00:52:59.000 the bathwater turned red she had hit an artery or something like that like she just i don't know

00:53:03.840 had she been looking at books of anatomy i don't know but she like she hit exactly the spot to 0.94

00:53:09.300 kill someone instantly and then so uh simone yelled my god he's been assassinated the bathroom

00:53:17.720 window had been kept open the window the window i'm just i'm reading this and i'm like wait the

00:53:25.840 wind the bathroom window into the rest of the house like not to the outside or maybe to the

00:53:31.240 outside i think it might have been to the outside i'm not that sounds vaguely right to me oh no

00:53:36.000 you're right so then like because the first person to enter was laurent bass

00:53:39.300 who worked for Marat delivering the newspaper.

00:53:41.100 So he would have just delivered the newspapers.

00:53:42.860 So he was outside, heard the struggle, and then came in.

00:53:44.900 Okay, that makes sense. 0.96

00:53:46.800 Horrified, he grabbed a chair and hurled it at Charlotte.

00:53:50.360 People are just reacting on pure adrenaline.

00:53:52.580 Like, where's their weapon?

00:53:54.300 A chair.

00:53:55.620 So he throws a chair at Charlotte before leaping on top of her.

00:53:58.540 He kept her pin down as Marat's neighbors filtered into the room.

00:54:01.200 So I guess everyone from outside was just like,

00:54:02.740 what's happening?

00:54:03.440 It's the French Revolution.

00:54:04.940 So two of these neighbors, a dentist and a surgeon,

00:54:07.000 lifted his body from the tub and attempted to stop the bleeding, but he was super dead.

00:54:12.680 And so within an hour, because news of the assassination of Murat had spread

00:54:18.060 because a crowd formed outside the apartment, like everybody knew what was happening.

00:54:23.700 And the crowd, like Charlotte anticipated, wanted to bring her outside and kill her. 1.00

00:54:28.200 One market lady said she'd like to cut her into pieces and eat her. 1.00

00:54:32.800 Of course. 1.00

00:54:34.020 Classic market lady. 1.00

00:54:35.200 that's just that's just be that's just cliched right she's living the cliche 0.99

00:54:39.140 but a committee of six deputies from the national convention arrived to interrogate her and they

00:54:45.520 also convinced the crowd somehow that if the crowd killed her they'd never find out who she was and

00:54:49.940 why she did this and who is she working for etc right and she's just sitting in marat's apartment

00:54:55.240 um girded by the neighbors who had apprehended her she had made no attempt to resist or escape 0.89

00:55:00.620 because she her whole thing was like i'm gonna kill him and then i know i will die

00:55:04.840 so she's just she's not trying to escape she's not trying to run away

00:55:07.540 uh she answered every question she was asked um she's just like yeah i came to paris with

00:55:14.320 purely just to kill him um i acted alone and that's what's up but they did not believe her 1.00

00:55:20.840 because of this whole the society which is just like oh women are just kind of like appendages 0.73

00:55:25.760 to men they were just like a woman could not have come up with this herself a woman could

00:55:29.980 have done this herself obviously some man got her to do this and who is that man

00:55:34.940 so they're just like we need to get to the bottom of this and figure out who is the man

00:55:40.360 behind this she's obviously a victim of some man right so she was ordered to be taken to the abay

00:55:49.200 yay prison so thousands by this time like the mob it takes nothing for the mob to

00:55:57.080 amass in the french revolution era they're just like mob like they're just 24 hours like you

00:56:02.400 want to see a flash mob i mean like that was yeah they're prepared at all times so and this is

00:56:10.240 because marat was such an important famous person and this is why she chose him so people took to

00:56:14.780 the streets when she was taken out to like go into the carriage to go to the prison like they

00:56:19.580 had to like have security guards all around her and along the route people surrounded the the 0.56

00:56:26.020 carriage they cursed her they tried to like get her in the carriage it's yeah so only narrowly 1.00

00:56:32.580 did the police keep her alive on the journey like the crowd was like we will kill this woman

00:56:37.420 but as she was arrested so remember hot charles so he he was just like we're at the girardins

00:56:45.760 are gonna go to paris i'm gonna like overthrow the jacobins like that was very easily stopped

00:56:50.240 while this is all happening.

00:56:52.160 His plan was not good or effective.

00:56:56.720 So anyway, at the prison,

00:56:58.040 she spent the night on a straw mattress.

00:56:59.760 Her only companion, a black cat.

00:57:03.680 Love it.

00:57:04.680 You know, when I tell these stories

00:57:06.360 and Hepburn's around, I'm like,

00:57:07.460 I'm sorry, I don't think there's a cat in this story.

00:57:09.680 There you go.

00:57:10.500 Mara no longer has to have been born on January 1st.

00:57:13.040 Like, we now have a cat in the story.

00:57:15.720 A cat is there, I have to,

00:57:17.120 like, I'm going to boldly say Hepburn's ancestor.

00:57:19.480 It was Hepburn's ancestor.

00:57:21.460 Yeah.

00:57:22.480 A cat during the French Revolution who's just like emotional support cat to people arrested.

00:57:28.200 Somebody, Revolutionary Cats.

00:57:29.660 That's a book that I want.

00:57:30.900 A collection of essays.

00:57:32.300 Oh my gosh.

00:57:32.960 Yeah.

00:57:33.200 They have like on their collar, they have like the cockade pin.

00:57:36.380 Yes.

00:57:36.860 Love it.

00:57:38.080 I was just really happy.

00:57:39.860 Like, I want to sit in this moment.

00:57:41.240 Like, I'm really happy that there was a cat.

00:57:43.400 Yeah.

00:57:44.080 There's never a cat in these stories.

00:57:46.260 There's a dog.

00:57:47.020 Never a cat.

00:57:48.360 Anyway, so the prison that she was in,

00:57:50.320 this was the first site of the September massacres,

00:57:52.480 which was when all the prisoners were,

00:57:55.620 when some Jacobins, including Marat,

00:57:57.460 broke into some prisons and killed all the prisoners.

00:58:00.340 So anyway, so she's just like,

00:58:01.580 okay, so I'm just in this jail cell

00:58:03.120 where like people were killed recently.

00:58:05.900 And actually the cell she was in

00:58:07.740 had one month earlier housed her,

00:58:10.340 another Girondin heroine, Manon Roland,

00:58:13.300 who we're going to talk about on a later episode.

00:58:15.320 so she's just kind of like you know good vibes good vibes in this prison cell like you know

00:58:20.760 the people have been here before were on my side the giron didn't type people yeah there's a cat

00:58:24.660 like she's riding high you know she's like i did i did what i came here to do i've got a great cat

00:58:30.400 like hell yeah what happened to the hat unclear left at his house i guess maybe the crowd ripped

00:58:38.020 the hat apart because i mean kill her how many great hats have disappeared from history though

00:58:42.800 you know someone you know someone took that hat and good for them you know madame t i know it 0.90

00:58:50.740 would have been the perfect relic for her to display yeah yeah okay so like we're following

00:58:57.640 charlotte but we know like as she's in the jail madame t is in that room sketching it to make her

00:59:02.040 waxworks so anyway so this death sent shockwaves throughout paris because people had been killed

00:59:08.880 a lot recently but no one had been like no leaders had been assassinated like this and like

00:59:14.860 shockingly like you know she wanted to do it in public but i think this was even more shocking

00:59:18.360 in his bathtub like it's so intimate like it's so scary yeah there's a home invasion element to it

00:59:25.540 as well right yeah yeah so it's like no one is safe like even in your own bathtub like the place

00:59:30.080 where you think you'd be the most secure yeah so people were shocked he was assassinated people 1.00

00:59:34.600 also were shocked that it was a woman and they were confused because they're just like women 0.99

00:59:39.060 but they don't act 0.89

00:59:40.340 big quad energy yes so they're just like okay we know that she did it but like but aren't women

00:59:51.720 biologically incapable of doing this so like a man must have told her to do it or there's a rumor 0.99

00:59:58.440 that it was like it wasn't her it was a man dressed as a woman and then she was arrested 0.98

01:00:02.940 they're all just like it's like does not compute like woman cannot be killer like how like the 0.98

01:00:10.760 convolutions people going through just to be like but it couldn't have been her because women don't 0.61

01:00:14.820 act on their own circuitry was fried definitely her own siblings didn't believe that she had done 0.57

01:00:20.740 it which is like understandable like today you see like with murders and stuff it's like wow

01:00:24.700 family members often like or friends it's like no it couldn't have been him he was always so nice

01:00:29.140 like right anyway charlotte wrote about this topic no one is satisfied to have a mere woman

01:00:35.760 without consequence to offer to the spirit of that great man and that's part of it where it's

01:00:40.680 like marat was like this great man people admired and she was just this like woman from woman a but

01:00:46.940 like also she was like from the country she was like she was no one yeah and so they're like if

01:00:53.940 rat was going to be killed he has to have been killed by some huge like you know charles barbareau

01:00:59.100 like they would have bought that like some leader but they're just like no it's just this woman and 0.73

01:01:04.060 everyone's like does not compute cannot what yeah so the jacobins tried to get her to admit to a

01:01:13.080 wider girondin conspiracy like who put you up to this who did this so she's cross-examined three

01:01:18.880 separate times before the revolutionary tribunal. And each time she proudly insisted, no, it was

01:01:25.100 just me. Like I, it was just me. Like no one knew I was doing this. When asked why she'd killed

01:01:30.400 Murat, she said, quote, I knew that he was perverting France. I've killed one man to save

01:01:35.360 a hundred thousand. I was a small R Republican before the revolution and I have never lacked

01:01:40.900 energy. I have never, why'd you kill him? Well, I've never lacked energy. It's like I was

01:01:48.600 trying to commit that murder starting at 8 a.m in the morning on a hot day yes yeah

01:01:54.600 so she was asked who told you to murder him what man did this she replied i would never

01:02:01.500 have committed such an attack on the advice of others i alone conceived this plan and executed

01:02:06.260 it so while awaiting her trial she was allowed to write letters and so she composed a letter to

01:02:12.360 charles barbero explaining like here's what i did and then she also complained in a letter to the

01:02:18.340 committee of public safety that the guard attending her wasn't giving her enough privacy

01:02:23.280 which is like i love this for her i love that she's just like in addition yes i know i'm being

01:02:30.720 held in prison for the murder that i did but this guard is like creeping me out and could you please

01:02:36.380 have him removed he like the prison conditions are deplorable it's the french revolution could

01:02:44.080 you give me the cat back like i was happy with the cat yeah who is the manager of the prison

01:02:49.680 that's right file a formal complaint anyway so this letter never reached barbaro um but she

01:02:56.400 probably knew that and so she's consciously preparing her own eulogy by like writing this

01:03:00.660 document anyway barbaro just to catch up on this hot man um so you know he had gone to paris with

01:03:08.860 his bad plan to like overthrow the jacobins didn't work so he um fled and close to capture

01:03:16.340 in an open field shot himself not to death oh um still alive oh he was dragged robespierre

01:03:25.900 who also we're gonna get to it in a later episode sorry spoil you can cut that no i i will keep that

01:03:32.300 as a teaser this is like russ putin anyway so he shot himself to death unsuccessfully still alive

01:03:37.740 he was dragged away to be guillotined so that's the end of a hot man

01:03:42.660 you know hotness doesn't save anyone even the french revolution that's right

01:03:48.120 it's like it happened to madame du paris right yeah it's just like you're too gorgeous

01:03:52.880 she's like you can't kill me i'm beautiful it's like that actually doesn't stop us tell it to

01:03:58.240 the guillotine yeah yeah again it makes me think luigi um alleged murderer okay he still has got

01:04:07.600 to have his day in court oh i am 100 luigi is an alleged murderer but he's also the handsomest

01:04:12.820 man alive the hotness is verified it's like not up for debate yeah i feel like he was arrested

01:04:18.720 around the time that people magazine was doing sexiest man alive and i was on board with like

01:04:23.760 uh luigi like that is going to be on your cover of people magazine it's a bold choice but i mean

01:04:30.720 but it's like if we're taking an objective decision i mean the facebook pictures don't

01:04:35.760 lie sometimes yeah so having so she admitted her guilt maintained she acted alone um her trial was

01:04:43.120 short because she got guilty she made it easy she was found in the room holding the knife

01:04:50.500 and said i did it so it's pretty straightforward it's like right before the chair sailed at her

01:04:56.620 head there was a full confession yeah pinned to her body um so but there was like a trial

01:05:02.400 so she had like you know her like public defender who was a jacobin so i'm sure he didn't work that

01:05:09.320 hard right um anyway the her lawyer interestingly um claude francois chaveau lagarde would later

01:05:15.900 defend marie antoinette um in her trial oh so this is like the guy you get for like

01:05:22.460 hopeless cases of women on trial heavy hitter or yeah something maybe i don't know i know this is

01:05:29.040 the guy you get or maybe i mean the marie entoinette was such a sham trial so maybe he's like

01:05:34.320 the opposite of a heavy hitter i don't know he's just kind of like you could just put a mannequin

01:05:39.420 there like yeah it's like a scarecrow is that a scarecrow or a lawyer yeah so charlotte condemned

01:05:46.460 to die by guillotine on july 17th and she the murder was on july 13th so this all happened

01:05:51.920 in a matter of days so as the verdict was being announced this is where we're going to like segue

01:05:57.400 into gavin's part of the story but um as the verdict was being announced she noticed an officer

01:06:01.780 of the national guard was making a sketch of her like a courtroom artist and she was intrigued and

01:06:06.820 she asked the court if she was allowed to have a portrait made of her before her death and they

01:06:11.080 were like you're gorgeous so yes so once this is granted she asked the officer jean-jacke hauer

01:06:18.640 to turn his sketch into a painting and so for two of her final hours she sat with hauer in the

01:06:25.000 conciergerie, which is the prison where political suspects were kept before the guillotine.

01:06:30.560 And he like sketched her and was making a portrait of her. And so she like made comments on the

01:06:35.300 portrait. And though before it was finished, he didn't, he finished it later, I guess. Maybe you'll

01:06:42.480 know those details. The pair were interrupted by the executioner who had come to take her away.

01:06:46.520 So they cut off her hair, which is what you do before someone is guillotined. So the hair doesn't

01:06:50.340 get in the way i guess um she offered a lock of her hair her chestnut blonde auburn hair

01:06:55.960 to hower is a token of her appreciation and she also had time to write one last letter to her

01:07:01.320 father apologizing for not consulting with him concerning her life choices all right so must

01:07:08.660 have been so sincere right yeah right i think at this up until now i think she's made it pretty

01:07:15.380 clear like she doesn't she doesn't listen to him yeah she's like sorry dad um anyway so she's

01:07:22.720 dressed in a red shirt to symbolize her role as a murderer her hands were tied and she's put in

01:07:27.680 an open cart for the ride across the city to the place de la revolution where the guillotine awaited

01:07:32.660 her they were like do you want to sit in the cart and she's like no i want to stand and they're like

01:07:37.720 do you want to confess to a priest and she's like i have no sins to confess

01:07:41.260 contrary to what i just told my dad in a letter like other than not listening to my father like

01:07:48.960 can't can't think of anything i've done this wrong yeah so she was um who is it the woman

01:07:56.500 from game of thrones who's like tell cersei it was me she's just like unapologetic she's like 0.95

01:08:01.000 yeah i did it and i'd do it again hell yeah so she traveled down the streets of paris standing

01:08:05.740 up in this cart a sudden summer storm broke out soaking her and giving her this like ethereal

01:08:12.300 appearance it's just god is like i'm gonna be you're like this is a music video we're turning

01:08:18.620 this into a music video it's like i'm gonna make this as gorgeous as possible so mother nature is

01:08:25.600 on her side yeah anyway so people were on the streets watching her go away and they're just

01:08:29.920 like we hate her oh my god she's beautiful but we have do we hate her hmm not sure anyway so night

01:08:36.600 was coming when she's brought to the scaffold there's so many people out there for the execution

01:08:40.240 and you know people along the route have been like yelling at her etc she ignored the crowds

01:08:46.420 who were yelling at her and she just kind of like chatted with the man the executioner who's in the

01:08:50.080 cart as well he would i guess this is when they left so she was like oh how far is it to the

01:08:54.920 guillotine just like making a conversation like you do with an uber driver and he's like oh it's

01:08:59.300 pretty far and she's like well can i get an eta on that please he's like that's pretty far and

01:09:05.260 she's like well even so we'll surely get there so she's just like reassuring him okay all right

01:09:10.860 she's like exactly like eta on my death by execution okay just okay you know if we could

01:09:18.300 get there faster that five or six minutes okay cool yeah yeah depending on traffic um depending

01:09:23.920 how many peasants like attack us anyway so the cart stops at the scaffold the sky cleared so

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01:12:36.780 So she was executed by guillotine July 17, 1793, 10 days before her 25th birthday.

01:12:43.260 after she was beheaded so this is like legendary and maybe you'll have stuff about this allegedly

01:12:48.900 the executioner's assistant grabbed the severed head and slapped it on the cheek

01:12:52.860 according to legend the head blushed under the slap a tale that has been used as evidence for

01:12:59.180 those who believe humans retain consciousness for some time after being decapitated i feel it's more

01:13:04.380 like i don't think it's like oh my god she blushed i think it's more just like you hit her on the

01:13:08.580 face so like the blood vessels like anyway so that's a weird thing aftermath i'm gonna go through 0.57

01:13:14.380 this but then we will pivot to your art art talk cool so she was killed and the jacobins did what

01:13:22.340 they could to ruin her martyrdom which is like another again like luigi as we're recording this

01:13:27.620 still very much alive but you know like when luigi was first arrested like even before that

01:13:32.820 when people didn't know who had done this everyone was just like whoever did this is a hero and like

01:13:35.980 all of society like the left the right everyone is just like we support this so like you know

01:13:41.500 news we're trying to be like oh there's a legend murderer and we're like you can't we're not going

01:13:45.700 to hate him if you're running this article next to this picture of the hottest man alive like

01:13:50.280 so many people are so confused that so many people are on luigi's side like didn't reddit

01:13:55.140 had to like shut down the like luigi thing because like people were being too anyway so she everything

01:14:02.880 that she had planned like she the the look the hat the the way that she did it the bathtub like 0.83

01:14:08.080 the the cart with the rain like not that she planned that but maybe she did she had become

01:14:13.140 a martyr like instantaneously like she was this angel what was she called like the angel of

01:14:17.580 assassination so the jacobins were like we need to get people not to support her because she is

01:14:23.780 against us the jacobins right so so you know what they turn to is pamphlets um some anti charlotte 0.91

01:14:30.140 pamphlets the pamphlet circulated claiming actually she was not beautiful actually she

01:14:35.520 was deformed that beautiful woman we all saw wasn't charlotte corday yeah like we saw exactly 0.88

01:14:43.680 exactly you know she there's so many horrible things about her she read books she was a woman 0.99

01:14:48.820 who read books oh my god including pornography she was so monstrous like she's basically not

01:14:54.620 even a woman like they're just trying to be like because that was part of what was so iconic about 0.99

01:14:59.940 it was that it was a woman who was unapologetic and that just made people think and be confused 0.99

01:15:05.280 and so the pamphlets were like actually she looks like a woman but she's not a woman 0.99

01:15:08.220 so like she's and she reads books so like she sucks right the jacobins like this is just shitty 1.00

01:15:14.920 she's dead thank god because they ordered an autopsy to see if she was still a virgin um 0.99

01:15:20.480 because they were still convinced that she had acted like some man her lover must have gotten 0.63

01:15:24.580 her to do this so like we'll prove that she's had sex it's like guess what she hadn't

01:15:28.760 um and they're like that makes her even more monstrous i love that it's like either way 1.00

01:15:35.640 yeah like oh she's no winning she's unnatural she's unnatural um why didn't she have sex that's 0.94

01:15:43.700 weird i know oh my gosh and then 10 days after her execution robespierre who's always wanted to 0.62

01:15:51.580 just like jump on like something else that happened in the world to his advantage he was

01:15:56.480 just like, you know, I should be in charge because, you know, look what's happening. Women 1.00

01:16:00.400 are killing Marat in bathtubs. Like you need a strong man to be in charge. And that's me, 1.00

01:16:05.720 Robespierre. So 10 days later, he took his place for the first time on the Committee of Public

01:16:10.460 Safety. And this is, and thus began the terror. So the Committee of Public Safety was like a group

01:16:17.260 of 12 men who ushered in the new era, which was no longer about revolution, but about terror.

01:16:22.560 and one of the first things they did was to say women can't be politically involved women can't

01:16:27.520 have political clubs women can't basically like what charlotte did like was so terrifying to them 0.98

01:16:34.280 about like oh my god if women start doing shit like we can't handle that so like she in that way 1.00

01:16:39.540 she kind of pivoted things she wanted she thought that she hoped that this would stop the revolution 0.99

01:16:45.380 and the not the revolution but like the murders and the terror but in fact this pivoted everything

01:16:51.200 into revolution and terror just rashed everything up and so gavin you're here to talk about the

01:16:57.760 the art of it all because like how could you not make art out of this extremely

01:17:02.680 exciting situation yeah spectacular person all right let's do it so um i have three works of

01:17:10.960 art that i want to talk about in depth um all of which are variously related to charlotte

01:17:15.560 Corday. So let's just dive right into it, okay? So as we all know, there was intense public interest

01:17:21.620 in both Corday as the criminal right after her execution, but also there was interest in the

01:17:27.900 crime she had committed, the murder. How did the murder play out on the day of the assassination,

01:17:32.140 right? So artists of various kinds all stepped up to satisfy this curiosity however they could.

01:17:38.240 Maybe that meant painting a picture, doing an engraving, writing a detailed Lord account for

01:17:43.880 publication in a pamphlet somewhere else and i even read about one puppeteer who created a

01:17:50.800 marionette version of charlotte corday yes that's the most french thing i mean puppet puppet theater

01:17:56.800 man it was real yeah so this is essentially true crime entertainment right you can see this as a

01:18:02.100 kind of precursor to the true crime podcast that some people listen to and that some people make

01:18:06.800 nowadays um and uh this kind of true crime entertainment has always been sort of a risky

01:18:12.800 business for the artist, right? Because you run the risk of appearing to celebrate the murderer

01:18:20.000 while exploiting the misfortune of the victim. And things are even dicier because unless people

01:18:26.880 have forgotten, we're in the middle of the French Revolution, where it is very easy to get killed if

01:18:32.120 you are seen as ideologically suspect at all. Remember that puppeteer who created the marionette

01:18:37.640 of charlotte corday yeah he was executed no yes yes so you have to be very very careful as an

01:18:45.600 artist whenever you decided to take up the story of the assassination of jean paul marat you had

01:18:49.880 to really make sure that you were like not on her side you had to make sure that you were just like

01:18:53.580 she was an unnatural woman who read books and marat was this bathtub guy who he was the hero

01:19:00.320 in the bathtub so yeah basically i wanted to start with a painting that offers a case study

01:19:05.800 and how one painter went out of his way

01:19:09.300 to represent the murder of Jean-Paul Marat

01:19:12.100 without appearing to glorify Charlotte Corday.

01:19:15.340 So it was a way of catering to public interest in the crime

01:19:18.420 without, you know, losing your head.

01:19:20.760 So as it happens,

01:19:22.460 and you have already introduced us to this painter,

01:19:25.800 it was Jean-Jacques Hauer.

01:19:27.380 He's the guy who goes to paint a portrait

01:19:29.220 of Charlotte Corday in prison.

01:19:31.060 And I had not realized this

01:19:32.180 until I started preparing for this episode,

01:19:34.080 But actually, Hauer painted multiple images of Charlotte Corday.

01:19:38.820 And one of them went on display at the Paris Salon in August of 1793.

01:19:44.600 So this is just about a month after the assassination took place.

01:19:48.960 It's still very fresh in people's minds.

01:19:52.000 So I have sent you an image of this painting.

01:19:54.760 So maybe you could just describe it for listeners.

01:19:57.400 This is the first one?

01:19:58.420 Yes.

01:19:59.540 Okay, so what I'm looking at, the one, it's got like a gold frame around it.

01:20:02.860 like i just want to share okay so what actually i just think it's so iconic that this guy who's

01:20:07.140 an artist like this is his breakout moment was charlotte noticed him sketching and he's like

01:20:11.380 you know what i'm gonna do launch an art career right so um what we have here is a painting it's

01:20:17.300 it's the situation okay we need to clarify that marat's bathtub is shaped like a giant shoe

01:20:22.120 which it was um it's a shoe shaped bathtub so what we see is marat is dead in the shoe shaped

01:20:30.180 bathtub um he's got his like little bathtub desk um on top with like paper like he's always signing

01:20:36.480 it and he's just kind of slumped off to the side he's wearing like a shirt um he's got his turban

01:20:41.800 on and then next to him is charlotte who's wearing her like polka dot dress she's she's wearing her

01:20:48.740 iconic hat and she's just kind of like standing there holding the knife i she's in terms of like

01:20:56.220 if we're looking at you know artemisia gentileski judith killing holofernes is like an action-packed

01:21:01.180 thing with like full of emotion this is very much just kind of like here's a man in a bathtub it

01:21:05.320 looks like he might have just fallen asleep and then charlotte is standing there and she's just

01:21:08.680 kind of like do do like she's kind of holding her knife like she doesn't look passionate she doesn't

01:21:12.820 look uh-huh like it's a very just kind of like here's two people standing posing in a room

01:21:18.700 is how i would describe it yeah it's not it's not a very good painting so it doesn't like

01:21:23.460 vibrate um if it were hanging on the wall it would not necessarily appear to vibrate but there are

01:21:28.680 some interesting things about it and things that could have potentially gotten Hauer into trouble

01:21:32.940 although as you say it's not like necessarily the kind of high drama you might expect so

01:21:36.720 significantly you'll notice that Charlotte Corday is standing right in the center of the image right

01:21:44.800 so that sends an important sign to any viewer it's like okay who is this about who is this painting

01:21:49.720 really about is it about the fallen martyr and wonderful politician and slash journalist marat or

01:21:55.320 is it about the the murderer right absolutely yeah no she's right in the middle and i do i'm

01:22:01.220 just noticing a couple other details there is a chair in the background which i appreciate 1.00

01:22:04.300 because we know what that chair did right and also another thing that i point out is her black

01:22:11.120 this is just for me her hat her black hat is so eye grabbing and it's the first thing that my eye

01:22:17.260 goes to when i look at the painting so i think that's another way of howard's efforts to kind of

01:22:23.020 pull attention toward the murderer toward the the quote-unquote villain um the criminal in this act

01:22:29.640 okay so in some ways like howard's getting into risky territory here right um because he is

01:22:37.480 foregrounding charlotte corday he's not really making an effort to mourn the death of jean paul

01:22:42.400 Marat. But according to one art historian I came across, Howard does something absolutely essential

01:22:48.540 to, you know, avoid any trouble. And that lies in the portrayal of Charlotte Corday's hair.

01:22:56.560 Now, if you look very closely at her hair, you will see that it is powdered.

01:23:02.620 And you mentioned, it was like, okay, we know that Charlotte Corday wore a black hat to the

01:23:06.200 murder scene. Did she powder her hair? As you mentioned, there are already all these anecdotes

01:23:11.000 swirling around town about how she had taken the time out of her day to have her hair styled

01:23:15.680 on the afternoon of the assassination and in some versions of that story um the hairdresser

01:23:21.660 powdered her hair and powdered hair that's like aristocratic that's like right oh okay you're

01:23:27.580 seeing where this is going yes so in some ways like these stories might be apocryphal it's hard

01:23:32.800 to know whether she actually had her hair done but it's like the least interesting question you

01:23:36.220 can ask because, as you already point out, there's a deep significance to powdered hair. And it is

01:23:42.160 not one that was specific to the late 18th century. Powdered hair carried really negative

01:23:48.540 connotations and associations with the old regime and the aristocracy going all the way back to the

01:23:54.460 reign of Louis XIV in the mid-17th century. And since, question it, do you happen to know what

01:24:01.240 people used to white to powder their hair no i don't flour oh essential for bread and this is

01:24:09.380 bread shortage uh-huh so it is like seen as this aristocratic indulgence that is so wasteful it's

01:24:16.780 just another example of how the rich can do whatever they want to follow the fashion while

01:24:20.800 people are like literally starving to death um so and i since i know that you love a pamphlet i have

01:24:26.720 to cite a 1649 pamphlet, a 1649 pamphlet, mind you, that basically chastises aristocratic men

01:24:35.020 and women for, quote, profaning the use of flour to make it serve as decorations for their body

01:24:42.960 rather than for food. So it was seen as like wasteful, totally disrespectful. Fast forward 0.98

01:24:48.940 to the end of the 18th century, you have writers like Louis-Sébastien Mercier, really important

01:24:54.220 source for anyone who looks at this period in history, he compared hair powder to luxury items

01:25:01.740 like liqueurs, silks, porcelain, things that only the wealthiest elements of society would have had

01:25:08.380 access to. So back to Hauer's portrait. By having Charlotte Corday appear with powdered hair,

01:25:16.500 he is implicitly aligning her with the aristocracy and therefore against the revolution.

01:25:24.220 So it's a way of actually subtly casting her as kind of an enemy of the people, an enemy of all the good that the revolution was doing. And of course, we know that she came from a minor aristocratic household.

01:25:36.580 Well, that's what I was going to say. So that's interesting, because when I like what I read about when people were criticizing her and trying to get everyone to hate her, they're like, she's she reads books. She's not really a woman. But I didn't see them saying like, she's an aristocrat, which like she was. And that's the way that they could have criticized her.

01:25:50.520 Yes, it would have been a really easy way just to call her into question.

01:25:54.900 Yeah, damage her reputation, all of it.

01:25:56.880 Yeah, that's interesting.

01:25:58.660 So, okay, so this painting goes up in the Paris Salon in August of 1793.

01:26:06.000 Some historians believe that this painting might have inspired a truly famous painter,

01:26:11.920 Jacques-Louis David, one of the most important artists of this period in history,

01:26:15.860 to paint his own version of the assassination of Murat.

01:26:20.680 That's sort of unconfirmed.

01:26:22.020 We don't know how much that is true,

01:26:23.540 but it has been suggested by art historians.

01:26:27.280 So four months after the assassination of Murat,

01:26:33.220 Jacques-Louis David comes out with one of his own paintings.

01:26:36.200 And it is like the most famous painting

01:26:39.360 from the French Revolution.

01:26:40.520 It is truly iconic.

01:26:42.240 And that is the next painting that I want us to look at,

01:26:44.820 usually just called the Death of Marat.

01:26:46.340 So if you could describe that one for us.

01:26:48.880 Okay, so this one is just Marat.

01:26:50.240 There's no Charlotte Codet in this at all.

01:26:52.360 So like right at the center of the picture,

01:26:54.640 it's interesting. 0.98

01:26:55.260 It's so it's like the top half is just black 0.98

01:26:58.100 and the bottom half is Marat. 0.97

01:27:00.920 So you see him, he's leaning off to the side.

01:27:04.400 He's in the bathtub, obviously dead.

01:27:05.900 He's got his turban on. 1.00

01:27:07.020 He's not wearing a shirt.

01:27:08.340 And he, you can see some blood around,

01:27:12.040 sort of there's like cloths around.

01:27:13.800 i don't know it's like he's in the bathtub with sheets on anyway he's holding a piece of paper

01:27:18.720 in his hand i assume that that's the piece of paper charlotte gave him of like here's the

01:27:22.120 names the traitors or whatever and then next to him is like a wooden desk that says i guess that's

01:27:28.800 the title of the picture it says ah marat david on the it's like it's carved into the desk but

01:27:33.760 there's like paperwork so it's very like here is this dead person like he's centered and it's

01:27:40.180 very sympathetic i would say yes interesting so i think that's one of the most important

01:27:44.100 differences is that remember charlotte corday standing smack dab in the middle of the first

01:27:48.800 painting this time around she's eliminated from the composition entirely at least her body is

01:27:53.800 and i want to say sorry just about like in the first one too like the marat the dead marat he's

01:27:58.300 just kind of like it's like it's kind of like a cartoon of a dead person but this is very much

01:28:03.800 like a beautiful dead person okay that's a key point so um mara was not in great health at the

01:28:11.360 time of his death but what david has purposely given us here is a beautified version of him he

01:28:18.120 looks like a much younger man he looks like he he's in much better health and how would you

01:28:22.680 describe his facial features for listeners well i would not describe him as hot but i would say

01:28:28.280 that he looks um peaceful yes yes that's the important point right you would never know that

01:28:33.080 he had like died in agony screaming out for help right and versus in the first one he's like

01:28:38.160 exactly right it's like yeah it's the complete opposite of the first image yeah yeah so what is

01:28:48.820 really important here is that we have um a look of serenity that has come over his face it's almost

01:28:53.660 like he's at peace with his death but there's a lot more to this image and david is purposefully

01:29:01.880 invoking a long artistic tradition okay so could you describe for me the way you notice his arm

01:29:14.100 can you talk about his right arm yeah yeah so his right arm is sort of draped like he's leading up

01:29:19.260 to the side to the right side his arm is draped onto the ground he's holding a feather in his

01:29:23.140 hand i assume it's a quill pen and then next to that is the the knife the knife right on the

01:29:28.820 If you look at the right arm, the way it's hanging down, it sort of calls attention to itself because it is actually unnaturally elongated.

01:29:37.380 Oh, yeah.

01:29:38.120 Do you see that?

01:29:39.060 For me, I didn't notice it when I first looked at the painting, but as soon as it was pointed out to me by an art historian, I couldn't unsee it.

01:29:45.940 I was like, oh, yeah, that's totally right.

01:29:48.000 Okay, so now if you'll just scroll down to the next image that I sent to you.

01:29:54.720 Mm-hmm.

01:29:55.040 Okay. So this is the Pieta by Michelangelo, completed 1498 to 1499. It's a marble sculpture.

01:30:04.220 It depicts the Virgin Mary lamenting the death of Christ. He has been taken down from the crucifix

01:30:10.040 at this point. He's lying on her lap. It's, I mean, it's one of the great masterpieces of

01:30:15.600 sculpture. It's currently in St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican City, formerly the home of our

01:30:21.020 dearly departed pope francis oh my god r.i.p pope francis i know r.i.p but okay so can you look at

01:30:27.980 the right arm of christ there so it could you describe it for us well it's so like it is similar

01:30:35.020 to the painting so like his right arm is draped like it's a similar angle it's kind of like

01:30:39.620 yeah it's the right arm looks very similar to how the right arm is is it also unnaturally elongated

01:30:45.200 i don't know it's hard to tell from the i i've heard that it is but it's kind of hard for me

01:30:49.680 to see from this angle in the picture, but I think it's up to you in the eye of the beholder.

01:30:55.820 I don't, it doesn't look elongated to me, but it certainly is elongated in the Murat composition.

01:31:01.480 I do think it's a way of kind of calling attention to that particular limb. But if you scroll down

01:31:06.740 to the next image, there's just one more. This is the Entombment of Christ by Caravaggio,

01:31:12.600 the Renaissance master, completed 1603 to 1604. And then you'll see here again, we have Christ

01:31:19.040 with his right arm draping down so this is the kind of thing that serious students of art serious

01:31:26.580 painters and serious art historians would immediately uh latch on to these are some of

01:31:31.260 the most famous works of art in art history that have come before david's painting and so he's

01:31:36.900 trying david is very consciously trying to align mara with jesus christ who was like the martyr of

01:31:44.480 all martyrs, right? So he's drawn on Christian iconography to make a martyr, a secular martyr

01:31:50.480 of Jean-Paul Marat. I want to say too, like in this picture, the Caravaggio, so like Jesus is,

01:31:56.120 there's sort of like white cloths are draped around him. And that's kind of similar to how

01:31:59.900 there's the white cloths in the David. Yes. Yeah. Of Marat as well. Yeah, absolutely. And then,

01:32:07.580 so that's Marat. So one thing that's interesting is that this painting also has certain things to

01:32:12.700 say about charlotte corday even though she is not depicted and this is really interesting

01:32:16.920 so she has been sidelined right but her presence is nevertheless felt because you mentioned it

01:32:24.420 earlier he's holding a note in his left hand that is the letter from charlotte corday that she

01:32:31.900 supposedly sent to him and if you look closely it is actually legible you can read what it says

01:32:36.920 and it says something to the effect of you know today is the 13th of july 1793 my name is charlotte

01:32:43.060 corday this is addressed to mara and then she says something like um you know suffice to say

01:32:49.280 that i am miserably desperate i need your help it's something like that well and that's i didn't

01:32:54.700 mention that in my story but that is true like she sent a letter to the house she didn't just

01:32:58.980 show up like she sent a letter being like i would like to see mara please so yes yeah yeah but but

01:33:03.580 it's curious too, because what basically David has highlighted then was actually the fact that

01:33:10.660 Charlotte Corday visited Marat under false pretenses. So she's not heroic. She isn't

01:33:16.480 triumphant the way that she arguably may seem in the painting by Jean-Jacques Hauer. She's

01:33:23.180 duplicitous. She's a liar. She is a murdering liar. That is the implication of this painting. 1.00

01:33:29.960 so a lot of these painters you know are david is really controlling or trying to exert control over

01:33:37.260 how we interpret the murder victim and the murderer i was just gonna say too like i mentioned

01:33:41.540 before like there's the knife on the ground and i just i i keep thinking about that it's like that's

01:33:45.900 kind of like it's such a significant thing to to just kind of have he's dead like when you look at

01:33:51.640 the painting if you didn't know the context of it if you look at this like eventually you could

01:33:54.620 figure like what happened like there's a knife on the ground next to him and he's kind of bleeding

01:33:58.640 in the bathtub like it's it tells a story it does it does and he's holding a quill and he's holding

01:34:05.000 a note in one hand and a quill in the other so he couldn't have stabbed himself right right right

01:34:09.840 right yeah yeah okay so that's enough for painting um so with time you know once the French Revolution

01:34:17.440 dies down it becomes more acceptable for people to portray Charlotte Corday as a heroine someone

01:34:23.340 who sacrificed herself for the good of her country um a martyr all that um there are a lot of

01:34:28.640 paintings that do that later, especially in the 19th century, but we're not going to talk about

01:34:31.900 that. Instead, I wanted to talk about a different aspect of Charlotte Corday because people were not

01:34:37.140 just fascinated by the commission of the murder itself. They were awestruck by the way that she

01:34:42.740 behaved both in prison and on her way to the guillotine because she was so self-possessed,

01:34:49.020 so calm, like, okay, like, is it five or six minutes? Like how long? Like how long until we

01:34:53.660 get there. And part of the way they talked about this was the fact that she claimed to descend from

01:35:00.800 the great playwright Pierre Cornet. So here's where we're going to talk a little about about

01:35:05.240 him. So to give you like a little bit of an example, if someone in 18th century France

01:35:10.300 came up to you and was like, oh, Pierre Cornet was my great great grandfather. It'd be like

01:35:15.760 someone coming up to you and be like, oh, yeah, Charles Dickens was like my great great great

01:35:19.580 great grandpa. It's like as famous as it gets. Okay. So who is Pierre Cornet? And why did

01:35:25.760 Charlotte Corday want people to know that she descended from him? Pierre Cornet was a 17th

01:35:32.100 century playwright born in 1606, studied law first, and then goes into playwriting. And he's

01:35:37.100 most famous for a play called Le Cide. And Le Cide was not just one of the most popular plays

01:35:44.480 of the 17th century, but it was also one of the most controversial plays. And to understand why

01:35:49.060 we have to know a thing or two about dramatic conventions at this time. So there was a school

01:35:56.660 of theorists called the neoclassicists, and they were basically coming up with a bunch of rules

01:36:00.860 that all good plays must abide by. It's like, if you do not follow this rule, it's not a play.

01:36:06.140 Like, you suck. We hate you. And we don't have to go through all these rules, but the three that 1.00

01:36:11.120 we need to know are called the three Aristotelian unities. They're Aristotelian because according

01:36:16.380 to these guys, the Greek philosopher Aristotle had proposed all three of these theories.

01:36:20.880 This is just, again, France is just like, you know what we love? Ancient Greece, ancient Rome.

01:36:25.600 Yeah, it is. Yeah. They're drawing all this inspiration from Aristotle and then other guys

01:36:30.360 from Rome as well. Yeah, yeah. It's very much in line. So the Aristotelian unities are the unity

01:36:35.140 of action, the unity of time, and the unity of place. So unity of action is one that's pretty

01:36:41.460 familiar to us even today. It's basically like every play should tell a coherent story with a

01:36:46.280 beginning, middle, and an end, right? Okay, that's fine. So unity of place. This is not in

01:36:55.020 Aristotle anywhere. It was completely made up by the neoclassicists, but they argue that all

01:36:59.920 effective plays must take place in a single location. And then beyond that, you have the

01:37:05.600 unity of time. And that basically suggests that all good plays must take place in the span of 24

01:37:13.200 hours. So these are getting very restrictive, right? And this is where Pierre Cornet is going

01:37:18.880 to get into trouble. So La Cide, this, I'm going to tell you like what happens in this play right

01:37:25.380 now. So it's based on a medieval Spanish myth. And our two, our hero and heroine are two young

01:37:34.420 lovers named Rodrigue and Ximen. Rodrigue and Ximen are madly in love with each other, Anne,

01:37:39.840 but there's a problem their fathers are feuding and they disapprove of the union

01:37:43.960 um and toward the beginning of the play and you have to remember all this is happening in this

01:37:48.760 in the span of a single day right so they're like oh my god it's 9 30 a.m and we're so in love with

01:37:53.800 each other okay at 10 a.m that same day the fathers get into a dispute and she men's father

01:38:00.700 slaps rodrigue's father across the face okay this is an insult that cannot be brooked

01:38:09.720 Rodrigue challenges Ximen's father to a duel 0.99

01:38:13.080 right in front of her and kills him.

01:38:16.580 And Ximen is like, oh my God,

01:38:18.720 the man of my dreams just murdered my father.

01:38:20.760 What do I do?

01:38:21.860 She's very upset about all of this.

01:38:24.160 So that took place at like 10 a.m., 10.30 a.m.

01:38:28.220 Ximen goes to her maid and she's like,

01:38:31.000 oh my God, I have to, what can I do about this?

01:38:34.240 This is terrible. 0.99

01:38:34.880 I need to murder 1.00

01:38:36.880 um 1.00

01:38:38.100 Rodrigue and then kill myself 0.99

01:38:40.560 so one hour ago 0.99

01:38:43.320 madly in love

01:38:44.720 now one hour later literally

01:38:46.880 contemplating murder suicide

01:38:48.240 and so as it happens

01:38:50.540 Rodrigue has been overhearing this entire conversation

01:38:53.180 and leaps out of his hiding place

01:38:54.980 and he's like do it like here's my sword 1.00

01:38:57.300 kill me now kill yourself 0.99

01:38:59.100 let's do it and then She-Man is like 1.00

01:39:01.140 I can't I can't like sobbing into her hands

01:39:03.320 like I can't do this

01:39:04.880 the drama is pretty high right so what you do not know and because i have not told you

01:39:09.680 is that at the same time the moors are getting to and are getting ready to invade seville where

01:39:15.080 this play is set so someone runs in is like oh my god the moors are invading the moors are invading

01:39:20.080 and rodriguez like listen hold that thought like we're gonna get back and sort this out later i

01:39:24.040 need to go defeat the moors really quickly so he aren't you know gets on his armor goes off to the

01:39:29.900 battlefield and single-handedly stops the invasion in like an hour all this happens in an hour yeah

01:39:36.700 and then he comes back and he was so valorous on the battlefield that the moors were like you are

01:39:42.880 the seed which is like i think it's like a bastardized version of the word for lord maybe

01:39:49.620 in arabic i'm not sure um but he's that's where the title of the play comes from so basically

01:39:55.320 at this point then it gets really weird and there's another duel that takes place and whoever

01:40:00.260 wins the duel gets to marry shimen rodrigue participates in the duel he wins and then shimen

01:40:06.540 is like oh my god i love you now like i've always loved you all along and then she marries him the

01:40:13.100 man who murdered her father earlier that day yeah before he defeated an entire moorish army earlier

01:40:18.560 that day and they live happily ever after so that's what happens in the play and it was like 0.89

01:40:24.640 a box office smash audiences loved it but the critics were like this is garbage like all that 0.99

01:40:32.060 shit couldn't happen in a single day that's that's preposterous and how could she marry the band who 0.99

01:40:36.480 literally slew her father in a duel so this leads to like a giant literally three-year controversy 0.99

01:40:42.840 like people are debating this play for three years and in the end the french academics are like they

01:40:48.900 issued a formal verdict and they're like this is not a play we don't know what it is but it's not

01:40:53.480 to play. So that's Le Cid controversy. So what can we draw from this that is relevant to Charlotte

01:41:01.780 Cournet? I think one thing to know is that Cournet is writing about some of the most profound human

01:41:09.740 emotions expressed in their biggest way, right? So it's like the hunger for revenge, the sense of

01:41:17.640 filial duty, my sense of filial duty is so deeply felt that I will murder the love of my life, 0.95

01:41:23.700 right? Or love of country or homeland, right? Lecide is so valorous, he's going to go out and

01:41:30.080 single-handedly take down an army, an invading army. He's superhuman, right, in his valor. So

01:41:37.140 these characters are just larger than life, and they take the kind of actions that can change

01:41:42.880 the course of history in other words it also helps that corne was this just sensational writer who

01:41:50.200 who wrote this burnished flawless verse um there's a very strict way for how you had to write verse

01:41:57.280 at this time as well and is this the stuff um where it's like when you're acting you have to

01:42:02.140 do the specific arm gestures is this that whole thing too it was more before that yeah okay yeah

01:42:08.180 um that's more of like an 18th century conceit but this is more like a declamation almost like

01:42:14.240 you're you're you know that you're giving a speech right because this tragic playwright has

01:42:18.920 given you this like amazing french to deliver yeah they had to write they had to write what

01:42:24.740 was called the alexandrin which was rhyming couplets each line had to be 12 syllables

01:42:30.240 so again extremely restrictive like almost impossible to pull off but these guys that's

01:42:36.700 part of why they were blowing people's minds is they could work wonders even within these

01:42:41.060 constraints so cornet is this amazing writer um who with larger than life characters

01:42:48.180 and that's what's so important about his reputation and that's why charlotte corday

01:42:55.000 wanted people to know that she had him in her family tree so when we talked a bit about

01:43:01.600 charlotte corday getting ready to go meet her maker you know on the scaffold or whatever

01:43:07.600 she and samson the executioner comes in to shear her hair and there are all kinds of different

01:43:13.660 um anecdotes about what happens here but in one of them i love this get ready for this

01:43:20.440 so she has her hair shorn and she just stands up and she goes behold the toilette of death 0.86

01:43:29.460 pause for dramatic effect very long pause and then done by rough hands but it leads to immortality

01:43:45.380 yes charlotte yes i mean metal as hell right yes yes and um so later biographers cite this line

01:43:57.280 And they're like, she could deliver Cornean speeches with complete naturalness, right?

01:44:03.620 So she spoke the way Cornei write it.

01:44:06.200 And she also acted the way Cornei's characters performed because she was this absolute titan

01:44:12.520 who was so steely, so determined to act for the good of her country and all of that.

01:44:18.300 So the relationship with Cornei shaped the way that some people interpreted it

01:44:24.900 and in probably, in many cases,

01:44:26.340 imagined some of her last hours on Earth.

01:44:29.520 So there you go.

01:44:31.600 And can you, I mean, we talked about this a lot

01:44:33.880 in the Madame T episode,

01:44:35.080 but also can you talk about the Madame T Murat waxwork?

01:44:38.880 Sure.

01:44:39.380 So interestingly, to my knowledge,

01:44:41.820 Charlotte Corday herself was never depicted

01:44:44.440 in the Chamber of Horrors.

01:44:46.080 Well, I now understand why,

01:44:47.860 because if it would have been,

01:44:50.140 Madame T would have been in danger.

01:44:51.800 It would have been in danger.

01:44:52.620 Yeah, she was always, you know,

01:44:54.900 She had to be very careful about how she positioned herself during the French Revolution.

01:44:58.900 But yeah, so there's a bit of a controversy.

01:45:02.240 She unveiled her tableau of Jean-Paul Marat.

01:45:06.260 So it's very similar to the David painting.

01:45:08.160 You see Marat lying dead in the bathtub with his, I believe, his right arm dangling over toward the ground.

01:45:15.700 So the compositions are very similar.

01:45:17.500 And Madame Tussauds made several claims about the origins of this tableau.

01:45:25.180 And if you listen to our episode on Madame T, or if you've maybe listened to the season that I did about Madame Tussauds,

01:45:30.940 you know that you better be skeptical because Madame Tussauds made the claim.

01:45:36.020 She was known to tell a fib or three, but she claimed to have visited the crime scene herself

01:45:43.300 and done sketches of Marat while he was still dead in the bath.

01:45:47.980 And then she also claims to have inspired the composition of David's painting,

01:45:52.420 which is kind of a bold claim because it's like,

01:45:54.580 this is considered like one of the most important paintings from this period of history.

01:45:58.920 And the Marat tableau stayed in Madame Tussauds' Wax Museum for the rest of her life.

01:46:07.000 And she lived a very long life.

01:46:08.760 And it also stayed in the Chamber of Horrors well into the 21st century.

01:46:12.400 And I believe it's still on display today.

01:46:14.900 So it's kind of one of the OG attractions.

01:46:17.720 And that was when this is like,

01:46:19.060 this is all circling back to,

01:46:20.400 I know we talked about this in the Madame T episode,

01:46:22.120 but when I was a youth in the early nineties,

01:46:25.400 my family went to London.

01:46:26.640 We went to Madame Tussauds.

01:46:28.200 It was my,

01:46:28.840 one of my favorite parts of the whole trip.

01:46:30.740 And I remembered this,

01:46:33.120 the Chamber of Horrors,

01:46:33.840 obviously imprinted on me,

01:46:36.680 like it did on so many people.

01:46:37.800 And I remember this dead guy in a bathtub.

01:46:40.460 Okay.

01:46:40.820 You saw him.

01:46:41.500 There you go.

01:46:42.400 No, but I didn't know the context.

01:46:44.240 And then when I was researching for just actually for the Madame Tussauds episode you and I did,

01:46:50.160 and then just for the French Revolution, I'm like, oh, that was like,

01:46:52.480 because I was like, that guy, dead guy in a bathtub.

01:46:54.440 I've never seen dead guy in a bathtub.

01:46:56.440 And I was like, oh, that's who that was.

01:46:58.340 Okay.

01:46:58.740 Like it was, it's a memorable, weird, like if she had killed him at the National Assembly,

01:47:03.640 it wouldn't be as famous, I don't think.

01:47:06.580 has this weird

01:47:08.600 shoe-shaped bathtub 0.96

01:47:10.400 with a turban on his head. 0.95

01:47:12.360 It's a startling image. 0.96

01:47:15.160 It's memorable.

01:47:16.620 It's also a great way, I think, to introduce

01:47:19.140 children to a historical

01:47:21.120 event, I guess. You can make an argument, right?

01:47:22.980 Because it is so indelible, and

01:47:24.720 whose curiosity would not be

01:47:27.040 piqued by such an image?

01:47:29.160 Also, for me, just researching this

01:47:31.120 too, I just assumed

01:47:33.340 that he was taking

01:47:35.180 a bath as anyone might i didn't realize that he had this like skin condition and was like

01:47:40.200 working in the bathtub like he was never not in a bathtub like that was interesting to me too

01:47:46.460 tub day you know yeah so what we need to do next is to score to you know put this martyr charlotte 0.99

01:47:55.660 corday um on the scandalousness hall of fame for vulgar history so we need we have four categories

01:48:02.260 and i believe i sent them to you before uh-huh um so everything is on a scale of zero to 10

01:48:08.860 um to cement her legacy here so the first category is the scandalousness which is how

01:48:14.580 scandalous was she seen by people in her life and time and i feel like we need to find an average

01:48:20.920 number of before the murder and after the murder because after the murder she could not have been 0.97

01:48:27.240 more scandalous like a woman who did a murder but before i think she was just living kind she

01:48:32.940 wasn't like she's a quiet kid reading books like she wasn't the sort of person who's like oh my 0.96

01:48:38.340 gosh like all these scandals like she was just very much doing what was expected of a young woman

01:48:42.540 i agree but but she also grew up in a convent right so it's it's almost like that pre-history

01:48:49.280 makes the shock of the assassination even crazy like even more scandalous right yeah i don't know

01:48:57.220 i mean and this the scandal is like very high with the murder of it all yeah yeah i mean i

01:49:02.720 so for me i'm like 10 i yeah i i think 10 makes sense to me as well like she you know she didn't

01:49:11.040 live like a life of ongoing scandals she did one thing but it like could not have been a more

01:49:15.080 scandalous thing yeah but also think about like the implications are so far-reaching and social

01:49:20.900 and cultural and political i mean i mean you have like robespierre stepping things up and then you

01:49:26.920 have all these debates about the nature of gender right and they're like wait that she could this

01:49:31.900 there's no way a woman could have carried it this out herself there must have been some sort of man

01:49:36.620 planning this but so i think i mean it really touched a lot of different nerves it really did

01:49:42.060 it reminds me too of i think i forget if i said this in the last episode but um during the uh

01:49:49.100 when the the women's march and then they went to versailles and they like broke in and whatever

01:49:54.240 there was like rumors after that that it's like well that couldn't have been women that must have

01:49:58.860 been men in dresses because women wouldn't do those things it must have been men in dresses

01:50:04.600 oh my god the back the kind of mental gymnastics the backflips that people turn to make sense of 0.96

01:50:11.700 these yeah yeah just like well women couldn't have possibly done things so it must have just 0.92

01:50:15.820 been men in disguise right and she was just such a big case like the fact that she's like it was

01:50:20.280 just like it was me and it was just me and it's just like that exactly that's like a 10 plus

01:50:26.020 just in terms of like everything cultural understanding of like society at the time

01:50:30.760 yeah and then i love that she was also like dear dad i'm sorry i didn't ask your permission to

01:50:35.800 leave the house don't be mad at me that's what she's sorry about okay the next kind of going

01:50:42.060 and again like it's interesting because she's someone who you know she did one big thing in

01:50:47.020 yeah um so you know it's not just like so the next category is the scheminess like did she

01:50:52.040 how much did she come up with a plan did she execute the plan and i'm just like i've 10 out

01:50:56.500 of 10 okay when you're like buying a fetching hat and but also one thing that is so interesting that

01:51:04.980 came out to me this time too is that she had she was very schemey she had planned out everything

01:51:09.880 but she was also so ready to adapt because the plan changed she wanted to go to the convention 0.98

01:51:14.880 but then she's like oh fuck he just he's not at the convention he keeps his bathroom that's fine 0.96

01:51:18.580 um it's like i'm gonna try and get in there oh i got turned away that's fine i'll dream up a 0.99

01:51:23.740 girondon conspiracy so that i can you know infiltrate his house that way like so so scheming

01:51:30.260 and also um adaptable yeah i admire that in a person just the adaptability of like having you

01:51:38.200 know i want to put this all in the context of the french revolution everyone's killing everyone so

01:51:42.880 it's just like if i support like charlotte which i do um it's like it's not she wasn't living in a

01:51:48.820 society where everyone was like kind and wonderful and she ran up and killed this guy it's like

01:51:52.780 everything was shit everyone was killing everyone and in that context what she did was i feel like 0.74

01:51:59.780 understandable and admirable and just in terms of like having a plan and following through it was a 0.98

01:52:09.680 good plan and she didn't she came up with it by herself like notably yeah you know like but i

01:52:14.540 think she just she read so much of the classics the greek and the romans and she's like what would

01:52:18.420 they you know what would they have done how would the greeks have dealt with this yeah or how would

01:52:23.120 a tragic hero from corneille you know like these are the kinds of huge steps they take yeah yeah

01:52:30.400 well when you're describing the plot line too the fact that the the woman in the play what was her 0.59

01:52:34.920 shemin shemin yeah shemin was like here's what's gonna happen like we're gonna i'm gonna stab you

01:52:41.340 and i'm gonna stab myself and i'm like oh okay like a woman taking action you'll have to see it 0.80

01:52:45.700 but yeah just charlotte her plan everything she's like and i'm gonna leave the bible open to this 0.94

01:52:49.580 page oh my god and i'm going to like pin this my birth certificate to my body because i know i'm

01:52:54.300 gonna be ripped from limb like she couldn't have been more prepared it was 10 yeah 10 out of 10

01:53:00.860 Easy 10.

01:53:02.420 Yeah, yeah.

01:53:03.740 I will also say, too, just to the point of scandalous, 0.94

01:53:07.180 we already agree that she's getting a 10.

01:53:08.860 But I think, like, the controversy actually extends beyond,

01:53:13.420 and you can tell by looking at art history,

01:53:15.520 because the Soviets, for example, were not fans.

01:53:19.520 Broadly speaking, were not fans of Corday. 0.62

01:53:21.620 But then, like, the Nazis were.

01:53:23.540 And there were, like, very different political reasons

01:53:25.680 for why they chose that stance.

01:53:27.360 But I think it's a crime that people continue to debate

01:53:30.860 the ethics of you know even today so yeah yeah no and i'm just as i'm talking through it i'm just

01:53:36.920 like why do i support her so much and it's like well because so like you know i don't condone

01:53:42.720 murder in general go out on a limb but like in this specific context it's just kind of like she

01:53:51.160 was like someone has to do something and here's what i'm gonna do and it's like if if we're going

01:53:55.520 like death for death like how many people did robes pierre kill how many people did marat

01:54:00.400 contribute to dying like she wasn't yeah it wasn't just like some she didn't kill pope francis you

01:54:06.440 know it's not like somebody who's just like completely blameless and she's living in a world

01:54:09.940 like in her city like she saw the the guillotine was like in her city she saw like the the guy who

01:54:16.060 like gave her mother the last rites his head chopped off like it's just like this is what

01:54:19.860 life is like and when you're living in that situation like you gotta take some bold action

01:54:23.760 So real. Yeah. I think also as a woman, right, she had very little ability to express herself politically in the political arena. Right. So it's sort of like, OK, well, I have no fucking voice. So what I do have is a knife and I can I can use that to achieve something politically.

01:54:43.300 yeah like how can i make myself heard like well she she found a way yeah versus like the other 1.00

01:54:49.040 women i've been talking about on the show in the last couple weeks who like would make speeches and 1.00

01:54:52.780 publish pamphlets and stuff and they were continuously dismissed as being like oh this 0.97

01:54:56.880 is weird why are you talking you're a woman like they tried like that didn't affect any change so

01:55:02.780 right the next category is actually we're going to skip ahead and then double back okay so kind

01:55:09.260 of related to this so we have this sexism category which is kind of like this category is there to

01:55:15.040 you know how much more could somebody have accomplished if not for the patriarchy if not

01:55:18.760 for sexism and i think her score in this would be like we were just saying like maybe if she could

01:55:23.660 have been politically involved she could have acted differently yeah but i don't know how much

01:55:27.440 sexism was holding her back it's like she wasn't forced to marry somebody when she was 12 she wasn't

01:55:31.780 like she had more yes yeah i think definitely had more agency i would say that you know it did

01:55:39.920 prevent people from hearing what she was saying in the immediate aftermath of the assassination

01:55:45.700 right she's like i did this for a reason i did this to prove a point like i i killed this one

01:55:51.160 man to save the lives of a hundred thousand right she had a serious message that she was trying to

01:55:55.480 send and people were like okay but like where's your like who is your husband where's your dad

01:55:59.600 who's the guy who like put you up 12 yeah yeah true you know so i don't know i think

01:56:05.180 yeah i might do something like a five i'd be cool with that yeah yeah like it certainly affected

01:56:14.220 her life but like other people who score highly in this category have much more right stuff getting

01:56:21.480 in their way like she yeah and again like she was sort of like this is what my life situation is

01:56:26.900 like this is how i can move around in the world that i'm in and yeah yeah um and then the final

01:56:34.300 category is significance and this is like this is like significance i would say like to the

01:56:39.860 french revolution like she has a significance of like her action kind of gave robespierre an excuse

01:56:44.780 to do what he already wanted to do but it let him kind of speed that timeline up but then the

01:56:48.880 significance to like art history the significance to political history i would say marie antoinette

01:56:55.820 is like a 10 right like yeah that's a 10 for me i think charlotte corday is extremely significant

01:57:02.260 politically culturally etc but i don't know if she's like on the same level as marie antoinette

01:57:08.540 you know so i for for me my hot take would be like eight or like eight or maybe not maybe we

01:57:15.820 want to give her a nine i don't know let's do 8.5 okay okay if we can do 0.5 like if we can bring in 1.00

01:57:23.800 some point fives let's do it so that gives her a total of 33.5 and i just want to see pretty high 0.96

01:57:30.820 scoring it is a high score let me just see where that lands her she's the highest rated of any of 0.97

01:57:37.600 the women of the revolution we've done so far wow and i think that's partially because she was kind 0.57

01:57:42.360 of the most impactful uh-huh well and also because well you know there's a lot of different

01:57:49.060 categories but because she she had the impact but she also had the scheminess like some of the other 1.00

01:57:52.880 women were like, I want to affect change. So I'll write some pamphlets. It's like, well, 1.00

01:57:57.760 that's not a scheme. That's just kind of like a thing you're doing. And I respect it, but that's

01:58:01.700 not what we reward on this podcast. You're not really thinking outside the box there.

01:58:06.500 No. And like the other women too, who are people like, oh my God, women are being revolutionaries. 1.00

01:58:10.680 It's like, yeah, that's like a six or a seven scandalousness, but she like killed Mirai in 1.00

01:58:15.400 his bathtub. Like, no, she's definitely the highest rated. Do you know the painter of this 0.94

01:58:22.680 Ira Adelaide LeBee-Gouillard.

01:58:24.880 Yes.

01:58:25.880 Yeah, so she is a 32. 1.00

01:58:27.420 She's a 32? 1.00

01:58:28.280 Wow, okay. 0.97

01:58:29.120 Yeah, Chocoté 33.5. 0.96

01:58:30.840 So that's their neighbors in this area.

01:58:33.520 Who has the highest score of all time?

01:58:36.080 Of all time?

01:58:37.220 Uh-huh.

01:58:37.700 Of all time is Fredegand,

01:58:40.220 Queen of Neustria,

01:58:41.620 who I don't know if you've heard of.

01:58:42.780 Yeah, I haven't heard that one.

01:58:43.960 She's like a major heroine of this podcast.

01:58:46.220 This is like,

01:58:47.580 I want to say like the 10th century,

01:58:49.320 like proto-France.

01:58:50.780 Uh-huh.

01:58:51.460 She, I named the scale after her, 0.70

01:58:55.580 the Fredigan Memorial Scandaliciousness Scale, 0.79

01:58:57.840 because she was like, 0.95

01:59:00.540 it's like one of Charlotte Corday was queen

01:59:04.080 in a wartime, in like medieval times,

01:59:06.600 and just like killed Marat every five years for decades. 0.99

01:59:10.540 Like Fredigan, like she got it done. 0.93

01:59:12.240 But she also experienced extreme sexism.

01:59:15.200 She did, yes.

01:59:16.280 See, that's amazing to me,

01:59:17.400 because it feels like, yeah, that's amazing.

01:59:19.780 yeah the thing with fredigand is well there's lots i did like three two-hour episodes about her

01:59:26.480 but um because there's a lot to tell but part of the thing with her is just like she always had to

01:59:30.980 be like well i'm actually just the regent for my young son like she could never actually be in

01:59:35.040 charge she always had to be like well this is my husband this is my son like i'm just doing this

01:59:38.740 all for him like she could never and then when she died the grave just said like here lies fredigand

01:59:43.800 mother of kings and it's like oh yes mother of right that's all she was do we know anything

01:59:50.780 about charlotte corday's burial i mean i assume she's just thrown in a pile with all the other

01:59:56.020 bodies that were executed yeah that's probably true i'm sure it was an unmarked grave i mean

02:00:01.940 yeah i don't and i don't know i can't it would be still controversial to this day if france put up

02:00:08.400 like a statue of her or something i guess because it's like uh are we celebrating a murderer yeah i

02:00:14.680 actually don't know that'd be interesting to look into i'm not sure like what the feeling is about

02:00:19.240 she's so memorialized though in artwork i guess and a lot of a lot of women in history are not

02:00:24.760 so like she's got that for her legacy for her artistic legacy she's all over the place so

02:00:30.000 gavin this is like an xx long episode but honestly all the episodes this season are because it's like

02:00:35.040 it's a complicated time to talk about but you know what we have more to talk about so we're gonna

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02:00:51.020 gavin and i feel like personally i need to take a short break but we will reconvene

02:00:56.140 let's do it i also need to plug my computer in so it doesn't die

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Vulgar History - May 07, 2025

French Revolution： Radicals (part 4)： She Killed Him In The Bathtub

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