Vulgar History - French Revolution： Witnesses (part 5)： Lafayette's Later Years

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00:00:30.000 Hello and welcome to Vulgar History, a feminist women's history comedy podcast. My name is

00:00:44.060 Anne Foster and this is part two of a two-part episode. Last week we had special guest, friend

00:00:52.160 of the podcast, frequent collaborator Alison Epstein was on and we're talking about the

00:00:56.560 Marquis de Lafayette. Last week ended in a cliffhanger and this week we're gonna we're

00:01:00.920 gonna see how how this guy's story turns out and you might notice this is a women's history podcast

00:01:06.700 we're talking about a man and that's because gender has no binary. We mostly talk about women

00:01:12.100 on the show but when a man is imbued with this much tits out energy I can't not do it and so

00:01:19.200 we're continuing the saga of the Marquis de Lafayette and enjoy hearing the second part of

00:01:25.200 right and this is where i was like why would you not be fighting out in the streets laughing at

00:01:37.660 this is your bread and butter you love this but you know he is he's bros with the king he's bros

00:01:42.980 with the king he he's doing more than honestly could probably be expected for most of the nobility

00:01:48.220 by trying to find a middle path so like i'm not i still feel comfortable loving him in this situation

00:01:54.360 but it is like okay um so 1789 continues things are still getting worse and worse um there is

00:02:03.760 again with uh the modern day parallels there's a women's march um the the palace in paris uh to

00:02:11.100 protest the price of bread because this is what let them eat the farming and the grain and you

00:02:16.860 know what i honestly the price of groceries like this is all like very 2024 yeah yeah yeah so

00:02:24.620 lafayette um goes over to the palace when this is happening like in his capacity as head of the

00:02:30.260 national guard chief of police and he sees this giant mob of people coming at the king and he

00:02:36.360 decides what he's going to do is sort of try to stage this like almost like a play almost to get

00:02:44.080 to calm people down so he brings the king and marie antoinette onto the balcony of the palace

00:02:49.460 just to show that like hey i me the marquis de lafayette cool revolutionary guy member of the

00:02:55.820 national assembly i like these people i think they're pretty cool they're bros with me and he

00:03:01.340 famously kisses marie antoinette's hand on the balcony in front of the angry crowd to like try

00:03:07.040 and bring the tensions down that's not gonna do that no it doesn't but he like made a big

00:03:13.960 deal of it and all of the history books mention it and he really tried she hated him so she didn't

00:03:20.340 enjoy this i don't think he liked her very much but he was trying to be like can we all just be

00:03:25.220 friends and get along at this point are we are you gonna explain at some point why they hated each

00:03:31.280 other or can you now i think they hated each other because he had overthrown a king and was this big

00:03:38.520 like liberal guy who was fighting with the people to like pass the declaration of the rights of man

00:03:44.000 and she was sort of not into that i also feel like they're just two really loud personalities

00:03:49.800 like you can't have two people as charismatic as marie antoinette and lafayette in the same room

00:03:55.120 and have them get along i don't think so i think some of it's just interpersonal but some of it is

00:03:59.920 yeah he is actively uh trying to take away power from the french crown to like find this centrist

00:04:06.480 path and she's she's not loving that okay okay so that brings us to 1790 when lafayette is still

00:04:16.300 trying to like smooth things over with everybody bless him he tries this for a really long time

00:04:21.320 he uh there's the scene on the champ de mars which is like a center square in paris where he

00:04:28.440 takes an oath in front of the mob to be forever loyal to quote the king and the national assembly

00:04:35.520 and i'm like bro you can't that doesn't it doesn't mean anything you can't do that

00:04:40.580 it's like i swear to be loyal to the revolution and the monarchy at the same time bro it's

00:04:46.880 no and again it just feels like a real 2024 thing to be like you know there's issues on both sides

00:04:53.080 exactly sort of yeah but yeah yeah and just like in 2024 the people hear this and they're like ah

00:04:59.440 a royalist we found one he loves the king and hates the revolution fantastic we have no nuance

00:05:04.840 of this right right right but well i mean i know he's good at sword fighting etc but like they're

00:05:09.420 not going after him not yet not yet no now they're just like we're suspicious of this man

00:05:15.240 don't trust the cops basically yeah yeah french version a c a b yeah yeah yeah yeah a m a b 0.71

00:05:22.720 all marquis are bastards um i know you'll get into this in your marie and twinette episodes 0.98

00:05:31.140 but uh 1791 is sort of where things start to fall the fuck apart for the monarchy and everybody else 0.99

00:05:37.760 um and in like the summer of this there's a a sequence of events that's called the the flight

00:05:44.840 to varennes which is basically when uh louis the 16th marie antoinette who are now like hiding in

00:05:52.040 the tuileries palace in paris trying to stay out of the way of the revolution decide that they're

00:05:57.040 going to try to escape and they're going to get out of the country i think they're going to austria

00:06:01.620 or wherever um marie antoinette's habsburg's family are at that point yeah and so they like

00:06:08.920 sneak out in a carriage under cover of darkness and they're like headed for the border basically

00:06:13.840 and this all happens right under lafayette's nose as chief of police basically he's supposed to be

00:06:20.940 sort of watching them and making sure nobody gets away so this is like really bad news for him

00:06:27.080 because people already think he's a royalist and now it looks like he's letting the king and queen

00:06:31.040 escape um he sets off with like a bunch of national guardsmen soldiers and catches them

00:06:37.460 and brings them back so he's like doing his job but it's sort of too late at that point the escape

00:06:43.940 attempt already has people think that he's an enemy of the people and like the big names of

00:06:49.620 The French Revolution, the Dantons, the Robespierres are like, you're a traitor, an enemy of the people, and we hate you, and you hate the revolution.

00:06:56.380 It's like, okay, please calm down.

00:06:58.240 He brought them back.

00:06:59.640 But that goes on.

00:07:01.360 And then literally like two, three weeks after that, there is another protest in the middle of Paris where one of the revolutionary groups is trying to like collect signatures on a petition to abolish the monarchy.

00:07:16.340 That's how you get things done.

00:07:17.940 That's how you do it, a change.org petition.

00:07:20.440 But there's also like a big group,

00:07:22.240 there's a crowd of like 50,000 people there

00:07:24.600 trying to get signatures and also protesting and yelling

00:07:27.340 and I'm sure singing revolutionary songs and whatever.

00:07:30.860 And Lafayette, who's in charge of like

00:07:32.420 keeping things together under public order, 1.00

00:07:35.820 is like, shit, this is a mob of 50,000 people. 1.00

00:07:39.460 I don't know what to do. 1.00

00:07:40.880 So he tries to calm the crowd and it doesn't work.

00:07:43.560 Things get out of hand.

00:07:45.320 And then Lafayette orders the National Guard

00:07:47.160 to fire on the crowd of civilians

00:07:49.700 and about 50 people die.

00:07:51.360 And it's bad.

00:07:52.660 It's bad.

00:07:53.920 Like, he's in a very bad position

00:07:55.660 and I get that.

00:07:56.460 But yeah, also, yikes.

00:07:57.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:58.340 Yeah.

00:07:59.200 But this is,

00:08:00.300 that's the beginning of the end 0.56

00:08:01.880 for the revolution being like,

00:08:03.240 let's let this guy stay around.

00:08:05.140 So to his credit,

00:08:07.060 he knows that.

00:08:08.140 He's like,

00:08:08.740 ooh, I should get out of Paris.

00:08:09.880 That went really, really badly

00:08:10.940 and I shouldn't be here right now.

00:08:12.460 So he goes home

00:08:13.280 and like tries to keep his head down.

00:08:15.780 but uh the french revolution is getting progressively more violent this is getting

00:08:21.980 into like the period of the terror 92 92 93 we're like when is the guillotine invented

00:08:29.340 i don't know when it invented but i think it's around this period and it's gonna really start

00:08:35.000 getting used in like 93 okay so 1792 in august is when like the mob of civilians storms the palace

00:08:48.100 and arrests the king and queen and abolishes the monarchy so at this same time uh an arrest warrant

00:08:55.200 is issued for lafayette as enemy of the people he's so intertwined with the king and queen at 1.00

00:09:01.280 this point that they're like oh we'll get the king and his asshole barquee as well fuck that 0.99

00:09:05.340 and he um says goodbye to his wife and kids and dips out of town he's like i gotta fucking go 1.00

00:09:13.340 they're gonna kill me they're burning effigies of him in the streets of paris so it's a great 0.97

00:09:18.360 time to get out of town i to his credit he read the room yeah now the room was very loud to be

00:09:27.440 there yeah no you would think but no in a few weeks ago when we did the um madame du barry

00:09:33.740 episode she was just like everything's fine don't worry about this like i was gonna go to england

00:09:39.020 and then come back and then go to england and then come back it's like oh what's this revolutionaries

00:09:43.400 rolling the decapitated head of my lover towards me in my home she's like oh that's fine my jewels

00:09:49.160 went missing i'm gonna post pamphlets describing them and giving my address like lord yeah no he

00:09:54.920 he read the room to his credit 0.98

00:09:57.420 he took this seriously in a way that she did not so yes good for him so he fucking ran for it 0.92

00:10:07.480 uh late 1792 and headed for austria i was gonna say america no okay no that would have been smart 0.86

00:10:14.700 honestly and he probably should have done that because everybody in europe knows who he is

00:10:21.380 he's the most famous dirtbag marquee revolutionary hero ever like yeah yeah so he is immediately

00:10:30.420 like the second he gets across the border into austria he is captured and sent to prison as

00:10:36.860 ironically a member of the french revolution there he's arrested for his involvement in

00:10:42.520 overthrowing the french monarchy which like well this is like an era you know what not not different

00:10:50.280 from today in the sense of like misinformation and whatever but that was like everything was

00:10:55.200 being communicated via letters you know that take like a while to get to the other place so everyone

00:11:00.320 would just be confused of what was going on and who was on what side probably you know like the

00:11:05.060 thing is though if you're the emperor of austria and you hear about this guy marquis de lafayette

00:11:10.420 who's um swearing his allegiance to the national assembly and the king the one you're going to be

00:11:15.280 worried about is oh he's selling his allegiance to the national assembly that must be a revolutionary

00:11:19.340 like he's trying to walk this middle road in a way they get both sides pissed off at him so like 0.78

00:11:26.540 he can't win really whatever he's doing here he was the chapel rhone of his time 0.99

00:11:32.060 he was hot to go and by go i mean get the fuck out of paris it's on fire 0.99

00:11:38.100 now i don't know exactly um but i believe that the australia is where marie antoinette is from 0.98

00:11:45.900 So I think they're especially cautious about anyone who is maybe on the revolutionary side due to Marie Antoinette having been arrested by the mob.

00:11:54.880 So the Austrian emperor, who is, I think, her brother.

00:11:57.900 I think so.

00:11:58.760 Who I think does not send very much help to her.

00:12:01.560 So I'm not sure how useful they are.

00:12:04.120 I don't know.

00:12:04.720 But I think he's also the guy from the movie Amadeus.

00:12:07.380 Yes.

00:12:08.960 Anyway, so Lafayette arrested in Austria.

00:12:12.000 Okay.

00:12:12.600 Yes.

00:12:12.880 And so he's arrested as like a prisoner of the state. And this is 1792. And he stays in prison from 1792 until 1797. He's in prison for five years, but not executed. So not executed. No, because you like you could put him in prison, but you can't be mad at that guy. You can't be mad at that guy. He's so charming.

00:12:35.020 Yeah.

00:12:35.540 So he gets moved from prison to prison throughout these years.

00:12:38.960 He's transferred all over the place.

00:12:41.040 And throughout all of this time,

00:12:42.800 he's writing letters to his buds from the American Revolution

00:12:46.940 being like, hey, excuse me.

00:12:48.580 Do you remember when I gave up all of my money

00:12:51.300 and all of those ships and six years of my life

00:12:54.000 to fight in your revolution?

00:12:55.040 Could you please help me get out of prison?

00:12:58.300 Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, 1.00

00:13:01.340 any of y'all fuckers? 1.00

00:13:02.880 And they didn't do shit. 1.00

00:13:04.260 they didn't do shit um there was like a diplomatic crisis between France and America at the time 0.99

00:13:11.820 because France was diplomatically problematic for everybody they're in a revolution no one 0.98

00:13:16.660 wants to like do trade deals with them so yeah yeah it was a bad time um the one person who did

00:13:24.020 try to help Lafayette break out of prison during this time Angelica Schuyler from the

00:13:30.120 up to musical hamilton work um she's renee elise goldsberry exactly right yeah what yeah i love it

00:13:40.520 she married an english guy um yeah as noted in act two of hamilton and moves to london and she

00:13:49.560 like she knew lafayette because everybody knew lafayette she was yeah you know up in the um

00:13:54.860 founding father boardroom with everybody else and she like paid a doctor to come and look at him and

00:14:01.180 then like sneak him into a carriage and go off in the middle of the night they got caught and he got

00:14:05.560 sent back so it didn't work but like go off angelica i love that good for her you know she 0.51

00:14:11.960 tried that was a good plan it's more than fucking george washington did yeah and lafayette didn't 0.95

00:14:17.820 name his kid after angelica schuyler this is where i get real fucking indignant about george 0.96

00:14:23.020 washington as a lafayette girly i'm just like he loved you so much and you did nothing nothing 0.83

00:14:29.400 this is where i don't remember the years exactly but i feel like george washington was busy being 0.97

00:14:34.920 like a bitch and just being like i don't want to be president oh i don't like living in new york 0.97

00:14:41.840 man i just want to be in my like slave plantation man like he was just busy whining and not and 0.99

00:14:49.100 being president and not wanting to be president and has martha washington is just revolutionary

00:14:53.540 karen is just like i hate it here too me like yeah he was not in a mental space to help other

00:15:04.080 people george washington was busy having a pity party for two yes yes he was so throughout all

00:15:11.020 of this this is sort of the french revolution happens off screen well well he's okay he's in

00:15:18.500 jail yeah he misses the rest no but this is good because you know i'm gonna get into other episodes

00:15:23.780 that'll talk about meanwhile the revolution like you really set us up beautifully for like how it

00:15:30.040 happened and why and that's probably you know in future episodes i'll talk about like this next

00:15:34.920 part of the revolution i know you will get into all of that so my notes do say meanwhile the rest

00:15:39.900 of the revolution happens we don't exactly but like to lafayette it's just like meanwhile he's

00:15:45.940 in prison i don't know whatever like it sucks and because he's in prison for five years and nothing

00:15:51.840 happens i asked you if we could take a sidebar into my favorite part the french revolution and

00:15:55.780 you said yes so i'm gonna hold you to it and talk briefly about the french republican calendar my

00:16:00.980 favorite thing i don't think you asked me if you could do that i think i asked you if you would do

00:16:05.620 that i think we simultaneously were like but we're gonna talk about brumaire right it's so

00:16:10.500 fucking weird and i love it so it's my favorite thing too okay okay so like 1793 into 1794 the

00:16:19.260 french were like you know what our old calendar is too royalist if the names of the months have

00:16:25.960 like roman emperors in them and all of monarchist history uses those dates you know what we're gonna

00:16:32.680 do is we're gonna make an entirely new calendar starting right now we're going to change the

00:16:38.500 length of the months or to change the length of a week we're going to change the name of every day 0.79

00:16:43.320 and every month just to fucking make it impossible for historians in the future to know what's going 0.87

00:16:48.020 on no but did they start with zero were they like we're in the year zero now yes they started the 0.94

00:16:52.600 calendar over yeah amazing because this is a new age of liberty or some shit like that it's my

00:17:00.200 favorite thing when i was doing my history undergraduate degree i don't remember what

00:17:05.260 class this was in or in what context but they i just remember maybe it was just learning about

00:17:09.480 the french revolution but they're just like okay so like this happened and it's like the 15th

00:17:13.380 brumaire brackets may 3rd like everything had to be like this this happened on this day brackets

00:17:18.600 here's the actual day yeah like this fake ass calendar that didn't last it lasted like 10 years

00:17:23.940 but like it's 10 years in which so much history happened that it shows up all over the place

00:17:29.500 it would just be so complicated in the time also if you're trying to do like trade with another

00:17:35.540 country it's like okay when is the ship when is the shipment of grain coming well could you send

00:17:39.480 it on the 77th of brumaire like i'm sorry what is that france like i'm gonna come and visit you 0.53

00:17:45.720 could you like book me a hotel room for like oh my god yeah and yeah i love the goofy ass names

00:17:53.840 that they gave to everything because everything is perfect everything is goofy every month is

00:17:59.020 named after like this sort of weather that they have in france during that month so like brumaire

00:18:04.700 means like the sort of foggy month and then there's like germinal which is the month when 0.86

00:18:09.820 the cherry trees start to blossom i'm like fuck france they rename into the days of the week

00:18:16.400 so that it's like primi-di, du-di, tri-di. 0.97

00:18:20.700 That's one day, two day, three day.

00:18:22.940 That's how they renamed the days of the week.

00:18:25.680 So how many days of the week?

00:18:27.720 Because it's not seven days, 30 days in a month.

00:18:30.420 It's 10 days in a week.

00:18:32.620 Yes.

00:18:33.660 For reasons.

00:18:34.700 I would accept that if...

00:18:36.480 There are 30 days in each month.

00:18:39.560 So...

00:18:39.800 Okay, okay, okay.

00:18:40.840 It's actually a very reasonable system

00:18:42.300 if anybody else was using it,

00:18:43.760 except they need to have every four years an extra day and then every couple of months an

00:18:49.760 extra day too because the math doesn't work out yeah yeah um not to give any credit to napoleon

00:18:57.280 at all but this reminds me of i was at work i think we were like what i think we were talking

00:19:05.440 about like how americans use different measuring things from like any other country in the world

00:19:10.220 yeah like because other countries are metric american not um and then we're like how did

00:19:16.420 that come to be and then just looking back at it on like wikipedia.com slash weights and measures

00:19:21.620 or whatever anyway so like all different countries used to use all different kinds of weights and

00:19:25.960 measures and there was napoleon who was like let's standardize the metric system napoleon

00:19:31.740 when i want to have like 500 pounds of grain you in like tunisia know what i mean by that

00:19:42.600 yeah like let's and i was like that makes so much sense for like because there's in this era

00:19:47.680 there's so much international commerce and trade and stuff for like the first time

00:19:52.680 i know and so it's like for france at this time to be like let's change the calendar days

00:19:58.640 my own one other fun fact about this calendar that i love is that every day of every month

00:20:07.340 is assigned its own little plant so that you could get calendars where every day had a drawing of a

00:20:14.860 little herb in it and that was the day like i'm looking at the french revolutionary calendar right

00:20:20.400 now and i don't know what the fuck day today is but like yeah the sixth we're recording this on 0.96

00:20:25.520 october 6th and so like the sixth day of the 10th month of this fucked up calendar was the day of 0.96

00:20:31.720 rosemary it's just so cute it's so cute and like artists out there listening like if you make a 0.69

00:20:38.700 french revolutionary calendar i will order one sometimes they have little animals one of the

00:20:44.480 days is the day of the otter this is also like a real group project vibe of like make a calendar

00:20:54.300 and you kind of choose 12 kids in your like grade five class and they're like it should be like this

00:21:01.180 and then one kid is like no but there should be a plant for every day it's like no but there

00:21:04.580 should be some of those animals like and every idea is accepted well yeah because we're all

00:21:09.840 equal under the revolution no bad ideas yeah i love this i love there was something in one of

00:21:18.900 the books i was reading from my carolina brunswick book that did mention sorry the only month i know

00:21:23.040 was brumaire i just wanted to say brumaire but it mentioned something one of those dates i was like

00:21:27.060 brumaire my favorite month of the year there's like the months are like pluvias which is the

00:21:38.320 rainy month or prairie the month where you can go out into the fields it's just so goofy and also

00:21:46.380 like just in terms of like this is the french revolution it's happening like primarily in

00:21:50.660 paris i presume how do you communicate this to somebody way up in some other rural area like 0.99

00:21:57.260 by the time it's like hey guess what we're calling this month this now they'll be like the fuck we 0.99

00:22:00.980 are what the fuck are you talking about what it's august no no no it's not 0.98

00:22:09.780 oh my god oh they're fun this is great and um listeners i am ellison has a link here in this 0.99

00:22:19.920 document of the names of the days of the week. I will put that link in the show notes so people

00:22:25.320 can just really get into this because it's a personal highlight to me of this whole era.

00:22:30.100 Yeah. For anybody who's born on what I think is June 25th, which is the day of tuna, I am so sorry.

00:22:41.300 Oh, that's fantastic. This is great. Okay. Okay. Back to timeline.

00:22:45.580 so so lafayette was in jail from the pre-medium

00:22:51.040 for five years however you communicate that in this calendar yes but one nice thing happened

00:22:59.980 while he was in jail uh two years after he'd been arrested and it's that his wife is the best wife

00:23:06.060 of all time remember when i said they were the cutest they are the cutest no and i'm excited to

00:23:11.780 hear that but i was just imagining also he writes a letter to somebody and then she writes back

00:23:17.020 being like hey that's it's not called august anymore here's here's a matrix and he's like 0.93

00:23:23.640 adrian you sent me a letter and it said at the top brumaire what the fuck is this i leave y'all 0.70

00:23:30.280 alone for 12 months and she's like no but no it's actually been nine months don't worry about it we 0.95

00:23:36.980 change the length of the month yeah yeah and today is actually the day of the tuna and he's

00:23:42.940 just like what is happening am i having a breakdown yeah because you know like at the top of a formal

00:23:49.720 letter you like write the date oh that's so funny i hadn't thought about that yeah yeah i wonder what

00:23:54.980 it was like to tell him that but they popped in letters all this time marie adrian and lafayette

00:24:01.540 And then in 1795, Marie Adrien said, you know what? Fuck this. No one's going to help my husband. I'm going to go help my husband. And she and her two daughters, Marie Antoinette and Anastasie, rode to Austria from France, mid-revolution, and talked to the emperor of Austria and said, you should let Lafayette go. He didn't do anything wrong. He's fine. 0.99

00:24:23.960 And the emperor said, no, he is a revolutionary and a danger, and we are not going to let him go. And so Marie Adrien said, okay, can we stay in prison with him then? I miss him. He's my husband. And the emperor said yes.

00:24:39.080 and so one day in 1795 they open the door to lafayette's prison cell and his wife and daughters

00:24:45.460 come in and they're like we're gonna stay with you for the rest of this bestie because we love

00:24:49.300 you so much and it's just they're they stayed there for two years after that together just like

00:24:55.260 living their little family life in prison and it's just like also he was rich so like this is sort of

00:25:02.100 like power of london-y prison where it's not like yeah he's not living underground in a cell it's

00:25:06.680 not horrible it's just like yeah no i was gonna say this very much reminds me of um at the tower

00:25:11.440 of london there's uh there's these apartments and it was walter raleigh and his wife best

00:25:16.640 throckmorton um and it's like he was in prison that they just made these apartments and it was

00:25:21.700 just like a nice room with like a fireplace it was like literally apartments it wasn't like

00:25:25.920 a small it was fine i don't think they were like super nice because they were mad at him

00:25:31.120 but like they were okay you could bring a kid yeah it was like a tiny house like you can live

00:25:37.160 there like there's rooms it's there's beds yeah but that's badass i love that i love that we've

00:25:43.920 had a couple you know i think of like lady catherine gray who was like in prison next

00:25:47.820 to her husband and they like snuck to see each other stuff but this is like i'm going to stay

00:25:52.220 with my jail husband and and he's like i would really rather you didn't go in prison and she's 0.99

00:25:58.040 like fuck off i'm coming in prison i love you don't worry about it she's great she's great um 0.99

00:26:02.900 you mentioned the two daughters but what happened to george washington lafayette 1.00

00:26:06.100 he i believe let me check my notes i wrote a child die no he's still alive he's fine i think

00:26:11.960 he's like off at like army school or something probably he was in america at this point he was

00:26:16.340 doing a little america tour oh george washington lafayette yeah i think he was in america when the

00:26:21.560 revolution broke out and he was like perhaps i should not come back right now which good call

00:26:25.300 This family has scents, and that's so rare.

00:26:30.000 It really, really is.

00:26:31.840 We love them.

00:26:32.240 I could just have, like, still just memories of the Madame du Barry of it all.

00:26:36.200 But, like, these are people making good decisions.

00:26:38.720 They're reading the room and going, oh, this room is bad for me.

00:26:42.020 Perhaps I shouldn't stay in that room.

00:26:44.080 Yeah.

00:26:44.400 Yeah.

00:26:45.980 Yes.

00:26:46.820 Okay, so, like, family jail time, two years, yes.

00:26:49.500 Yep. And then by like 1797, the most of the French Revolution has sort of blown over. The new directorate, which is like the provisional government, is in place. People are no longer guillotating each other every day.

00:27:04.960 Who's in charge?

00:27:06.860 that's a great question right now basically nobody like okay some some nobody politicians

00:27:13.620 who no one remembers their names it's sort of like a parliament situation there's not a king

00:27:18.280 but we're not we don't have an emperor yet this is the in-between this it's just kind of like okay

00:27:23.020 just a group project just like a bunch of people this is like okay we killed all of the revolutionaries

00:27:27.640 during the terror so let's like take a look around who's left we killed all the aristocrats

00:27:32.740 we killed all the royals we killed past revolutionary leaders like yeah oh no what do

00:27:38.340 we do so whose left is like soldiers mostly right mostly yeah so lafayette gets released um 0.93

00:27:45.660 under the advice of one of the french generals who's kind of sort of running things at this

00:27:52.120 point becoming more and more powerful gives me no pleasure to report that this general

00:27:56.480 is none other than

00:27:57.840 Napoleon Bonaparte

00:27:58.920 who helps get

00:27:59.680 Lafayette out of prison.

00:28:01.540 Oh!

00:28:02.420 I know.

00:28:03.440 I was like,

00:28:04.180 no, not Napoleon

00:28:05.160 doing a thing

00:28:05.760 that's helpful for my boy.

00:28:07.180 I hate it.

00:28:08.540 This is,

00:28:09.400 well, 0.98

00:28:10.160 well, Napoleon did

00:28:10.840 one good thing in his life

00:28:11.700 and this was it.

00:28:12.340 One good thing.

00:28:14.140 So Lafayette gets freed.

00:28:15.540 He's 40 years old

00:28:16.500 at this point.

00:28:17.280 I'm sure he feels like

00:28:18.060 he's 95 years old,

00:28:19.420 but he is 40.

00:28:21.220 Wow.

00:28:21.680 He's lived the life of,

00:28:22.880 it's like sometimes

00:28:23.520 in other episodes

00:28:24.220 of this podcast,

00:28:25.000 all this stuff happens.

00:28:25.700 I'm like,

00:28:25.900 and then she died she was 21 and it's like what i thought she was like 76 yeah okay so he's a lot

00:28:33.600 he's 40 yeah yeah okay so he goes home um no actually he doesn't go home i lied because

00:28:40.640 still france is sort of like a mess and he's not super welcome in france even though he's not

00:28:45.580 arrested in austria so i think he moves in to like the french consulate in hamburg for like a

00:28:52.440 couple of years because he's sort of like a man without a country a man without a home

00:28:56.140 but yeah he's hanging out his son comes home they're all they're all together they're doing

00:29:01.100 the best they can um yeah and then i think this is where like his his charm and his pleasant

00:29:07.640 demeanor would people would be happy to have him as a house guest and stuff like exactly he's he's

00:29:12.580 charming he's not causing any problems he just wants to be left alone at this point he's fresh

00:29:17.140 out of prison. Just give me a minute to catch my breath. And he gets two years to catch his breath

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00:32:29.140 So they're still they're still doing this calendar.

00:32:31.580 OK.

00:32:31.780 Oh, yes.

00:32:32.240 Yes, yes. 0.95

00:32:32.680 uh so this is when napoleon says this shitty little directorate government is actually not 0.83

00:32:40.360 giving me personally enough power let me seize power through the coup de brumaire so named

00:32:48.040 because it is a coup in the fake month of brumaire thank you i'm so glad that's why that's the one

00:32:53.980 month i know yes so napoleon is not quite emperor yet but he's sort of like acting emperor

00:33:02.580 he's taking charge of things he's like oh no one's gonna be in power i'll be in power

00:33:07.240 that's right there's there is sort of like a power vacuum like there's yeah like who's in

00:33:12.680 charge is a really good question no one until napoleon says i can do that yeah yeah okay so

00:33:18.240 he steps into the vacuum um everything's super crazy at this point you know it's um politically

00:33:26.080 unstable everyone's freaking out we just had a revolution what's going on and lafayette uses 0.99

00:33:31.460 this moment to be his sneaky little asshole self and so he puts on the disguise and gets a fake 0.98

00:33:36.600 passport and sneaks back into france and he's like great i could go home now no one's paying 0.99

00:33:41.000 attention to me um his fake passport uses the name moitié which is one of his 11 names so it

00:33:47.520 wasn't actually very good disguise but he tried um he went back to like chavagnac lafayette where

00:33:58.320 his family home was and just sort of like moved it and it's like great i'm gonna try and mind my

00:34:03.120 business um napoleon reaches out to him and says hey you're the guy who's in all of the history

00:34:09.600 would you like to be involved in the new government that i'm making do you think that

00:34:14.480 would be helpful and can we be meeting we'll meet on the 13th broom air

00:34:18.360 and lafayette's like i still don't get that i don't know what that is i missed that

00:34:23.820 yeah i was absent that day yeah um lafayette refuses all it all offers to serve in politics

00:34:33.180 rightfully another man who reads the room and was like do you remember six years ago when they were

00:34:37.980 burning me an effigy in the streets i don't think i should be in politics right now please yeah i

00:34:42.760 would like to be removed from the narrative thank you he sure would um napoleon then decides to

00:34:51.160 declare himself uh the first emperor of france and takes power for life this is 1804 um lafayette

00:34:59.820 as a citizen of france or still this rich important guy was allowed to vote and he voted no

00:35:05.660 he said no thank you this is he's on the right side of history yeah yeah but napoleon did it 0.97

00:35:11.540 anyway the bullshit of this the hypocrisy of this just they're like we're getting rid of the monarchy 0.98

00:35:17.380 and in its place monarchy but with a different emperor it's even worse emperor for life 0.99

00:35:25.680 colonialism as well as monarchy it's just baffling to me yeah yeah just the way we talked about this

00:35:34.360 listeners in the rochelle episode you explained all of the like permutations of government that

00:35:38.720 happened and then it's like then it was monarchy again then it was napoleon's like relative and

00:35:42.980 it was like royalty again and it was like this other guy like it gets crazy we don't need to

00:35:47.260 get into that because lafayette's not up in that business i hope yeah actually he probably is

00:35:51.800 what am i saying he's he's always up in that he's up in all the business um so 1804 napoleon is the

00:36:00.600 emperor i have in my notes just um remember to laugh at napoleon for losing the haitian revolution 0.99

00:36:05.360 in 1803 because they kicked his ass and fuck him so we're gonna be we're gonna be um later 0.97

00:36:12.620 the season talking more about haitian revolution which has got a lot of yeah there's some it's 0.99

00:36:19.340 important um it connects a lot of the stuff they're talking about but also it's just like a

00:36:23.340 real positive energy really satisfying story of napoleon said let's bring back slavery and haiti 0.68

00:36:30.320 said let's bring back kicking your ass and it worked yeah yeah no it was it's an interesting 0.96

00:36:36.500 time and it's in the context of this sort of like revolutionary period it's the haitian 0.99

00:36:42.360 revolution was i believe the only successful revolt by enslaved people in ever i think so by

00:36:49.540 like black enslaved people anyway it's an incredible story yeah and and a good part of

00:36:56.320 it is the fact that it like is against napoleon so which makes it even better

00:37:01.880 okay um so all of this lapad is trying to stand just to keep his head down um 1807 sadly

00:37:12.080 marie adrian passes away due to old-timey illness um her last words were she's sweet

00:37:18.480 which is i am all yours because they are the cutest little babies it's so rare in history

00:37:28.180 like not just this podcast but like history to have just like a nice couple they love each other

00:37:33.580 so much and are like good to each other it's so rare yeah and you know it's real because she like

00:37:42.080 you don't go to prison for a guy you kind of like yeah that was oh they're just relationship goals

00:37:49.420 is the lafayette and the fact that we don't have a biopic of their marriage is so infuriating to me

00:37:56.860 we got another josephine napoleon movie but where's my adrian lafayette movie where's this

00:38:04.120 where yeah okay um i don't know if you want to talk about the napoleonic wars i don't really

00:38:13.540 they happened during this time i just want to know about what lafayette's up to he is up to

00:38:19.300 mourning his wife and removing himself from the narrative and napoleonic wars are just kind of

00:38:24.880 happening in the background and he's just like you know that that one scene in i want to say

00:38:30.500 the second twilight movie yeah she's just like sad and like the seasons just pass and she's just

00:38:35.680 sad that's lafayette that is what's happening yeah like brumaire turns into like yeah and he's

00:38:45.740 just like sitting you know just sad yeah the thing he does do is uh he kind of like makes his house

00:38:51.700 the unofficial american embassy for any americans who are visiting france during this time so like

00:38:57.740 he gets to hang out with his friends

00:38:58.940 and that's probably good for him

00:39:00.080 during this time of sadness.

00:39:02.020 And just remembering their good times

00:39:04.260 when he was 18

00:39:05.160 and they were all revolutionaries together in America.

00:39:07.640 And he's still got his three kids.

00:39:09.820 So they take care of him.

00:39:12.680 So blah, blah, blah, Napoleon, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:16.800 He's emperor until 1815

00:39:19.280 when he gets deposed 0.96

00:39:20.340 and sent all the fucking way to St. Helena 0.99

00:39:23.160 and he's out of the picture, thank God. 0.79

00:39:25.440 so the next kind of interesting thing that happens in lafayette's life is in 1824 which is if i'm

00:39:33.860 doing the math right in my head roughly the 50th anniversary of the american revolution starting

00:39:40.380 so this is like his big victory lap this is when he goes back to america and is like gonna go on a

00:39:47.720 tour of the new country and see how things have gone since he helped found this country and i

00:39:52.300 love this for him because he is welcomed 0.98

00:39:54.340 like a goddamn hero. 0.99

00:39:56.980 There are crowds 0.99

00:39:58.440 of people

00:39:59.040 slogging the streets to see him.

00:40:02.680 There's parades.

00:40:04.360 There's so much incredible merch

00:40:06.180 made with his face on it during this tour.

00:40:08.420 You can get Lafayette tea towels

00:40:10.320 and Lafayette plates and

00:40:12.160 Lafayette thimbles.

00:40:13.880 They went nuts. 0.97

00:40:16.660 He toured the whole

00:40:17.960 country all over with his son

00:40:20.040 George Washington Lafayette.

00:40:22.300 They were there for like two years. He met every single important American person who was alive in 1824. His Wikipedia page at this point is just like all links for all the people that he saw. I think he met Andrew Jackson at this point and fuck Andrew Jackson, but whatever.

00:40:40.300 this is this is when um to overlap with the previous vulgar history episode is where he 0.98

00:40:45.640 went obviously to monticello to hang out with thomas jay and that's where like he would have

00:40:51.240 been like oh sally hemmings yes i remember her from like when we were hanging out in that house

00:40:54.920 in paris like this is interesting i see there are some like mixed race sons of sally hemmings and

00:41:01.320 who look exactly like thomas jefferson okay okay okay you remember i'm like for the abolition of

00:41:07.000 slavery but like okay okay i see what's happening here tj i i'm no i'm no dummy but he saw sally

00:41:14.380 and so that was you know they i think they he was so nice i like to think that he and sally

00:41:19.540 would have been happy to see each other i think he would yeah he would have remembered her for

00:41:24.180 sure like hey sally remember those good times before i went to prison those were fun days

00:41:28.720 yeah he is uh 68 years old at this point by the way so that that between his 40s and his 60s that

00:41:36.240 was um avoid napoleon years and now he starts to get into like the the aftermath of it all

00:41:43.400 okay so um lafayette returns to france after his big celebratory american tour in 1825 0.76

00:41:51.240 and in 1830 and there was another fucking revolution this is the part that's so confusing

00:42:00.880 to me i know in the and we went through all this in the rochelle episode but it's just like the 0.93

00:42:06.580 turnover rate of like astonishing who is in charge it's just like it's a monarch it's a

00:42:12.100 napoleon it's a monarch it's a like it's just right france is never not revolutioning they

00:42:18.900 love a revolution at this point the 19th century in france is just a revolution every three years

00:42:24.340 it's it's just they're like you know my my parents told me about the revolution they did

00:42:28.560 that's not like fun let's do one now let's do that yeah for the new generation okay so there's

00:42:33.160 a new revolution and what is the result wait who was in charge after Napoleon stopped um I don't

00:42:39.920 know if this was I think it was Louis the 18th so after Napoleon was defeated then it went to

00:42:47.260 back to a monarchy wait Louis the 18th because Louis the 16th was executed and out of respect

00:42:55.120 for his son Louis who was killed in prison they made that one who was never actually king the

00:43:01.420 17th and they skipped to the 18th okay as I was thinking like we we've missed one okay yeah you

00:43:07.160 know that was that was baby casualty is this Louis the king is this Philippe Egalité no that's a

00:43:16.760 different person that's a different one okay because he also wanted to be king okay this one

00:43:21.700 is not as important to the story he's the one who is bridging napoleon and charles x who's the one

00:43:28.280 that was actually in power like at the very start of the 1830 revolution because he came into power

00:43:36.000 and everyone fucking hated okay god thank you for knowing all this because it's such a mess 0.51

00:43:43.960 i can't believe that lafayette like american revolution french revolution and then he lived 0.96

00:43:49.580 long enough to be into these like the next winter revolution like yeah i'm sure he came back he's 0.82

00:43:54.120 like what the fuck is happening in the house of commons this is insane he's just like what can i 0.72

00:43:59.980 live one year that is just like normal can i just have one normal year where there's not like 0.99

00:44:05.760 unprecedented times he wanted a precedented time at some point yes okay okay so he came back so

00:44:12.740 1830 charles x is king and no one likes him including lafayette lafayette's like take a 1.00

00:44:19.020 Look at this asshole. 1.00

00:44:20.080 What? 1.00

00:44:20.560 He's an ultra-royalist, like, kind of trying to crack down on free expression and, like, no one can assemble.

00:44:27.840 Everyone has to do exactly what I say.

00:44:29.780 And so Lafayette, who by this point I think is in his 70s, is just, like, giving shady toasts at dinner parties, being like, 0.99

00:44:37.560 to France and everybody except for Charles X, who fucking sucks and I hate him. 0.99

00:44:43.060 Which I love because I love a drama queen. 1.00

00:44:45.660 But in 1830, the people of Paris get fed up with how much Charles X sucks.

00:44:51.320 And they sort of take to the streets and start building barricades as the people in Paris are want to do.

00:44:57.920 But this is not Les Miserables.

00:44:59.860 No, this is the one two years before where things actually happened.

00:45:03.500 Okay, but there are barricades.

00:45:04.980 But there are barricades, yes.

00:45:06.340 Okay, yes.

00:45:07.320 So Charles is like, oh, the people want to kill me. 1.00

00:45:09.740 I'm going to run the fuck away. 0.99

00:45:11.580 And he gets out of town. 0.98

00:45:12.960 And then the revolution of 1830, uh, which is also called the July revolution.

00:45:18.380 This lasts for like a week or two.

00:45:20.380 Wait, they, they're no more Brumaire.

00:45:22.700 No, we're back to July.

00:45:24.600 Did that, did that go away when Napoleon left?

00:45:27.300 I believe so.

00:45:28.080 Yeah.

00:45:28.740 Okay.

00:45:29.580 Okay.

00:45:30.000 Yeah.

00:45:30.200 It lasted through the revolution in the empire. 0.96

00:45:31.760 And then the Kings came back and they're like, we can't fucking do this. 0.99

00:45:34.540 This is silly. 0.99

00:45:36.640 Which is true. 0.92

00:45:37.940 And yes.

00:45:39.180 Okay.

00:45:39.460 So barricades.

00:45:41.680 yes wait so okay this is where it all goes off off yeah it's a runaway train this whole

00:45:50.540 decade so who gets put in charge after this 1830 revolution this is louis philippe which

00:45:57.860 is philippe egalite philippe egalite who people will know he was bros with chevalier de saint

00:46:04.120 george oh wait no i'm so sorry this is a different philippe we are about six years after that yeah

00:46:09.140 this is this is the citizen king this is just another king okay yeah i just like that the one

00:46:14.540 guy he was like he was cool saint george's friend philip um was just like i'm i'm not like the other

00:46:21.960 aristocrats i'm cool i'm not philip like prince i'm like philip egalite and it was memorable to

00:46:29.260 me that he changed his name no that's cool okay so this is a new guy who yes but before we get to

00:46:34.840 this i want to tell you my favorite part about the july revolution of 1830 which is that 70 year

00:46:41.100 old lafayette took to the barricades with his musket and was again named the head of the

00:46:50.540 parisian national guard and fought in the streets in the july revolution because he hated charles 0.99

00:46:56.360 so fucking much this man was joe biden's age and he said i'm going for it fuck this man 0.99

00:47:03.940 i'm picturing him just like you know like people may be helping him climb up the barricades he's 0.99

00:47:10.820 just like oh you know i just got my hip replacement on the wait list i i got it i got it yeah they're

00:47:18.340 like he's a little old but he's got the spirit let him go yeah oh my gosh lafayette legendary okay

00:47:25.580 okay so this is his okay he's on the streets and then the king now is louis philippe who is often

00:47:32.240 called the citizen king which is why i got confused with philippe egalite because his

00:47:36.480 whole thing was i'm not like the other kings i'm a cool king i like you people because he saw what

00:47:41.580 happened to charles and was like oh i better not be like that let me be a liberal king who's buds

00:47:46.520 with the people blah blah blah um louis philippe asked lafayette if he wanted to um come work in 0.99

00:47:54.080 government and lafayette said thank you but i am retired please leave me the fuck alone 0.97

00:48:00.260 and he went home so um this because it comes up the 1832 revolution is the lamest revolution 0.89

00:48:12.080 it's just like people are still kind of pissed off about louis philippe so there's a bunch of

00:48:16.980 little skirmishes throughout like the 1830s because people are just like we had one revolution

00:48:22.000 let's have 10 more why not like what's kind of like once you've done one revolution it's easier

00:48:27.840 to do a second one

00:48:28.900 and then to do a third one.

00:48:30.480 Yes.

00:48:30.680 Like you kind of know what,

00:48:31.660 there's people around

00:48:32.360 who were there before,

00:48:33.660 like they know how to build

00:48:34.480 the barricades,

00:48:35.500 like people,

00:48:36.860 people know what's up.

00:48:38.060 But this,

00:48:38.480 this time Lafayette

00:48:39.420 stays out of it. 1.00

00:48:40.820 Stays the fuck at home. 1.00

00:48:41.520 He's literally 75 years old 1.00

00:48:43.040 during that one.

00:48:43.780 Yeah.

00:48:43.880 So he's decided,

00:48:44.860 actually I'm done now.

00:48:46.660 Yeah.

00:48:47.040 And nothing happens

00:48:47.960 in that revolution.

00:48:49.180 It's failed.

00:48:50.800 Louis-Philippe stays king

00:48:51.860 probably because Lafayette

00:48:53.460 was now there

00:48:54.200 being amazing

00:48:55.140 because every revolution

00:48:55.980 he fights in

00:48:56.680 seems to work.

00:48:57.840 but yeah you know well he just chooses the good ones to he does i don't know the ones he chooses

00:49:03.900 happen to be successful is that because he's there or is that because he um just chooses

00:49:09.960 the good ones i don't know but hard to say but correlation so he uh lafayette passes away of

00:49:19.080 pneumonia in may 1834 at age 77 which is way longer than i thought someone like him was going

00:49:26.600 to live based on the way his story went but he didn't quit the amount of revolutions and battles

00:49:34.660 and then the jail time and the yeah the emperor of it all the enemies of napoleon it's like a

00:49:40.660 whole thing and he made it 77 which is amazing and he was buried um next to marie adrienne

00:49:50.200 their graves are next to each other and it's adorable and also if you look at a picture

00:49:55.140 of lafayette's tomb they just have all of his first initials and then de lafayette at the end

00:50:02.400 because there's no room so his tomb says m j p y r g dumatier and it's adorable

00:50:08.460 that's what there is space for yes yeah and so that is the many revolutions of the marquis de

00:50:16.440 lafayette he is known as the man of two revolutions i think technically he had five but whatever

00:50:22.640 close enough yeah yeah no i was like definitely more than two um but two that were especially

00:50:28.740 well known two ones that are named after countries yeah okay so we're doing this like

00:50:34.440 i have the scale and we can't we can't change the categories so we'll just because then i'd

00:50:42.120 have to retroactively change everyone's score and like we just stick in categories yeah yeah

00:50:45.800 yeah so i think like it's not a surprise like sexism bonus is zero like i'm just going to

00:50:52.000 fill that in first because literally he had every privilege imaginable every single one of them he

00:50:57.880 is the the privilege so truly nothing culturally or societally was holding him back at all no but

00:51:06.480 except for all of his money during the french revolution but i refuse to count that

00:51:10.540 fair fair no it's like oh poor him who's rich um okay so the first category we're going to

00:51:16.020 actually scored him on is scandalousness and i think because scandalousness is a lot of looking

00:51:23.980 at like people of the time and how did they see him and where he was in like america and also in

00:51:28.340 france like him going to america was so scandalous like he had to sneak away and stuff and it was

00:51:34.040 like treason so the people in france would have seen that as scandalous and then during the

00:51:38.660 french revolution him i feel he was very scandalous as a person but he was so charming that no one

00:51:45.460 stayed mad that long that's the thing i think he was scandalous but he wasn't considered scandalous

00:51:51.000 because he would just come in and say hey don't worry about it i'm so charming forget about it

00:51:56.740 and just smooth everything over and he also was like scandalous politically but in his personal

00:52:04.180 life he's the least scandalous person he just loved his wife he was a wife guy yeah he never

00:52:11.720 had any like personal scandals it was all like revolution-based scandals like i think to his

00:52:18.460 father-in-law he was yes 10 out of 10 very scandalous and that like he's so this might be

00:52:24.940 like a medium score because like to some people like he was put in jail for like

00:52:30.920 it's not nothing but it's not a super high score because like even when he like ran away to america

00:52:37.400 fought in the war came back

00:52:39.220 the king was like I can't be mad 0.99

00:52:40.780 I can't do that at you you scoundrel 0.98

00:52:42.840 yeah yeah well and that's where 0.95

00:52:45.220 the privilege comes in as well

00:52:46.960 yeah yeah

00:52:47.980 so I don't know like a five

00:52:50.360 I don't know I'd give him a six

00:52:53.200 maybe okay

00:52:54.640 because it was certainly a much more

00:52:57.020 scandalous life than like most

00:52:58.860 or perhaps and any other

00:53:01.000 men of his rank were up to

00:53:02.380 like he was

00:53:04.160 he was always up to something

00:53:06.560 speaking of scheminess okay this is where i want to give him higher scores because this man had a

00:53:12.680 scheme always yeah if it was a military scheme or a political scheme there was never i mean there

00:53:18.960 was a small time when he was sitting at home not getting actively involved in things but up until

00:53:23.960 he was 73 years old and he's like let me go and state myself in the national guard to lead a

00:53:29.740 revolution like he didn't win there's like big schemes in the form of like war plans and you

00:53:38.020 know battlefield stuff that all the schemes of like all the battles he won in the american

00:53:42.160 revolution but then there's like smaller like more personal schemes like running away to get

00:53:46.940 the warship like going with the guy as far as marseille and then back through the woods and

00:53:51.100 then like i'm gonna wait till after they service the ship that like there's also the half escape

00:53:55.120 from prison with angelica schuyler's physician yeah like there were all kinds of things yeah

00:54:00.540 well and even he was trying to do a scheme by writing to all his friends in america they just

00:54:03.840 didn't meet him halfway he's even trying to do a scheme by naming his baby marie antoinette like

00:54:08.600 he was up on it and the schemes were not all good like going with kissing marie antoinette's hand in

00:54:14.000 front of the crowd not a good scheme but a scheme nonetheless nonetheless yes yeah yeah so i think

00:54:20.540 this is a high score but i will let you as as his ultimate fan decide the number i would give him

00:54:27.640 an eight i think i want this should be his highest score for sure yeah

00:54:34.500 and then the final category for him is significance actually i take it back this

00:54:42.000 might be where he's where he's strong because he's sort of like guided two countries into

00:54:47.700 revolutions that fundamentally reshaped how they are today so yeah i mean he's he was there for

00:54:57.100 everything we don't call him the forrest gump of the 19th century for no reason so and he wasn't

00:55:02.140 just there he was like he was instrumental in the american revolution happening and because the

00:55:07.680 american revolution happened like that fundamentally changed world history yeah like without uh the

00:55:14.040 guns and ships would they have won without him at battle yorktown would america have won the

00:55:18.820 revolution i don't know yeah maybe not it was touch and go for a lot of that yeah he's very

00:55:24.080 significant there and then i don't know in he was right there for so much of the french revolution

00:55:30.000 stuff it's like napoleon is like a more significant figure in terms of like yeah global history but

00:55:38.640 Lafayette was there for all that stuff and he was

00:55:41.100 he was trying to slow it down

00:55:44.700 and he didn't succeed but if he

00:55:46.900 hadn't been there to slow it down

00:55:48.300 I think he's less significant in the French

00:55:50.920 Revolution honestly just because it probably

00:55:52.840 would have ended up the way that it did had he

00:55:54.880 not been there and just maybe even faster

00:55:56.540 but you can't deny that he shaped

00:55:59.060 the way it went

00:55:59.620 yeah I

00:56:02.720 think this is a high score I think this would be

00:56:04.820 a 9 I think a 9 is fair because

00:56:06.940 Napoleon would get the 10

00:56:08.020 and i don't want them to share that score no and we're never listeners we have done uh so this 0.84

00:56:15.240 asshole napoleon episode i'm never going to do a actual vulgar history episode no he doesn't deserve 0.83

00:56:20.140 that no allison did i get the same score that i always get for all of my people and 0.82

00:56:27.500 so the score that you got is 23 um just to remind you of the other people we've talked about

00:56:34.120 empress elizabeth of russia has a 23 perfect lola montez has a 23

00:56:41.880 catalina de araso 23.5

00:56:45.240 richelle 26 so okay she will yeah that tracks i have a type and and it's 23

00:56:55.500 23 and me the ellison epstein exactly that so just like i'm putting in the scores um so

00:57:06.600 six eight nine zero i love i love that everyone you talk about is a 23 it's like a little

00:57:15.260 neighborhood a little neighborhood of just little dirt bags um oh i think oh christopher

00:57:22.060 marlo 22.5 there we go fabulous so someday i'm gonna get a 34 and it's gonna blow your mind

00:57:34.400 it's gonna i don't know if we can't i don't think so either because they're either significant

00:57:40.520 or they're scandalous but they're never two things no they're never more than two things

00:57:45.640 i do want to mention we do have the there's two categories i want to consider for um adrian

00:57:51.080 there's the lady jane seymour memorial award for outstanding supporting performance

00:57:55.440 and then there's also the next higher level the jeweled tortoise award for legendary friend

00:58:00.520 behavior okay i know what i would say but i'm i'm biased so i would put her in the jeweled tortoise

00:58:09.380 i think okay i would too because she's she's a legend like the going to jail yeah is

00:58:18.180 that's what like i think she was like such a good like partner like supporting person in his life

00:58:25.000 just sort of like they loved each other so much and they were best friends but then where she 0.95

00:58:30.580 takes it to a jewel tortoise level is where she's just like fuck this i'm tired of being away from 0.99

00:58:34.420 my husband i'm just gonna take my children and go be in jail with him yeah it's that's like that's 0.99

00:58:40.300 love babes no like that's the david rizzio level yeah of commitment to your person

00:58:47.540 that's like so good they're just good for each other and the wrong kind of wife for the marquis

00:58:54.900 de la fayette would have been like oh what was me my husband is off to get another revolution

00:58:59.620 and she was like no that's just what he does i'm here for him i love this about him it's just

00:59:04.880 they're perfect for each other it's so nice it's so rare to have a nice love story on this podcast

00:59:11.600 sometimes i'm like oh what do i have scheduled for like coming up the week of you know

00:59:16.840 valentine's day and it's always like oh no it's yeah it has never yet worked out to be a nice

00:59:23.560 story because there's almost never a nice story but this one is like their love story yeah and

00:59:27.960 lafayette wow allison thank you he really connects things in such a like part season seven part one

00:59:37.560 the american revolution stuff to part two the french revolution stuff and then anyway he saw

00:59:43.520 Not everything. So he's a very good context historical person. If you want to like, what happened between 1770 and 1820? He saw all of it. And it's incredible and very efficient of him to do that.

00:59:57.020 yeah and he was like in the midst of all of it because you know sometimes i look at people who

01:00:02.000 were like born in you know 1927 and they died in 2006 i'm just like my god like the way like the

01:00:08.880 world that they saw and how it changed but it's not just like he saw it it was like he was there

01:00:13.200 in it yeah all of it it's incredible like charging his way to the front of all of it yeah age 73

01:00:21.080 yeah life did not happen to him no he happened to life yes it's like celine dion

01:00:29.180 the shoes do not wear me i wear the shoes exactly i think that's the first marquee

01:00:36.900 at celine dion comparison i've ever heard but i support it there's and all of the french

01:00:44.860 revolution stuff i'm hearing just i keep thinking back to the we haven't talked about this but i

01:00:49.520 want to now um the olympic opening ceremony yes yes the unhinged france-ness it was the most

01:01:00.940 france of anything i've ever seen it made me think like the context of the two so far french

01:01:11.520 movies that i've made you and lana watch for vulgar based theater i was just like oh those

01:01:15.080 are not aberrations that's just what france does this is what their media is like it's just like

01:01:21.040 headless marie antoinette's like death metal music like the the phantom of the opera in a fencing

01:01:31.140 mask running around the rooftops and then finding the barricades from les mis insanity just at any

01:01:41.400 moment a man could have come out and taken his secret second arm out of his coat and waved it

01:01:46.520 around and said in fact i am the wizard that's a that's a vulgar piece his vulgar piece theater

01:01:52.260 deep cut it's not a deep cut i tell everybody about it it's those opening ceremonies it just

01:01:59.380 like hearing like just you explaining the french revolution and everything i'm just like france

01:02:03.320 has always been like this the most this is this is the spirit of this nation like born in the

01:02:12.540 bosom of fredigant and just just revolutions decapitations forever yeah like people watch

01:02:22.700 the front those opening ceremonies and we're like oh i didn't care for that oh that was weird i was

01:02:26.160 just like that was the best thing i've ever seen in my life that was made just for you and your

01:02:31.820 queen margot loving heart although i will say there was a part where they were like they talked

01:02:37.880 about how there's not as many statues of women as men in france and so they're like and so we

01:02:41.860 created these statues and we're going to donate them to france and every time a woman came up i'm

01:02:45.380 like rochelle and it kept not being a statue of rochelle and that's the one thing i missed

01:02:51.060 there was no oh although there was the part where that one woman was wearing sort of a french flag

01:02:56.460 dress and she was singing the Marseillaise and I'm like that's Rochelle that's Rochelle she was

01:03:01.760 present that's the that's the spirit of Rochelle is in that one but honestly every time a statue

01:03:06.320 came up I'm like who's it gonna be is it one of my girls and it was none of my girls

01:03:12.180 but still um Allison so you tell everybody about your book that you have coming up

01:03:22.720 yes um my new book is coming out in february february 25th it is called fagin the thief and

01:03:30.900 it is about what it says in the title which is a retelling of oliver twist from fagin's point of

01:03:36.760 view i love it very much i'm very excited to share it with people and it is coming up alarmingly fast

01:03:44.060 so and it is available for pre-order and pre-orders are so important it's a way like

01:03:50.940 everyone's going to read it anyway so it's just good to pre-order it first because the more people

01:03:56.000 who pre-order it the more bookstores are like oh people are interested in this book and the

01:03:59.620 bookstores buy more copies for other people to serendipitously find it absolutely also if you

01:04:05.240 did not pick up let the dead bury the dead in hardcover it is coming out in paperback probably

01:04:09.240 by the time you hear this episode so it is now easier to put in a bag lighter to carry around

01:04:14.900 still got it same beautiful cover on it i was gonna say is it a different cover but no it is

01:04:20.560 the same one the same cover what's a lovely cover that's good and you can just you can just make it

01:04:24.160 paperback size it doesn't need to change entirely yes and your first book tell people about your

01:04:29.560 first book too in case people have never heard of you before hi to welcome to new listeners um my

01:04:34.260 first book is a tip for the hangman it is a kit marlowe spy story which is why i was on this

01:04:39.460 podcast to talk about kit marlowe um that one's available as well wherever you buy your books if

01:04:44.580 here in North America? There was, um, every now and then I download the TikTok app and look at it

01:04:52.980 to see if anyone has sent me any messages and then I watch them and then I delete it again

01:04:56.940 because I don't care for it. But anyway, somebody had made a video of like her book haul and she 0.70

01:05:02.760 was just like, I get all my historical fiction recommendations from vulgar history. And so then

01:05:06.700 she was holding up, she's like, I got this and this. And then she's like, and I got this. It's

01:05:09.440 by Alison Epstein. Like I've heard her on the podcast so many times. I'm so excited to read it.

01:05:13.680 and it was your first book.

01:05:15.360 It was Gift of the Hangman.

01:05:16.540 My first book.

01:05:17.020 I know.

01:05:17.300 I was just like, aw. 0.99

01:05:20.220 So yes, you are a vulgar history celebrity.

01:05:24.280 I promise.

01:05:26.320 I'm so happy to have you back on.

01:05:28.520 And Lana will be on in the new year

01:05:31.780 because we're going to be,

01:05:33.300 she'll be talking about Maria Teresa

01:05:34.640 when we get to the like-

01:05:36.120 Oh, her fave.

01:05:37.240 Yeah.

01:05:38.040 No, exactly.

01:05:38.720 Like she's going to explain the Habsburgs, 0.72

01:05:40.560 much like I brought you on

01:05:41.780 to explain the French Revolution.

01:05:43.420 Thanks for not bringing me on to explain the Habsburgs because I cannot.

01:05:46.580 I can't either. 1.00

01:05:47.400 That's why she's going to be on.

01:05:48.400 But yeah, just for people who are wondering where my semi-regular co-hosts were all really busy.

01:05:56.040 And just writing a book.

01:05:57.540 No big deal.

01:05:58.700 Yeah, MBD.

01:06:00.500 And Allison, so tell people also your sub stack and how they can follow you there.

01:06:06.780 Yes, that is the social media I'm most active on now that Twitter has gone to hell.

01:06:12.040 um you can find me on substack if you search dirtbags through the ages it is a bi-weekly

01:06:17.500 substack where i talk about the weird wild and shitty people in history and why i love them

01:06:22.360 there is a marquee de lafayette newsletter up there even though he is not shitty he is just

01:06:27.500 weird and wacky and i love him so i made an exception to count him in here well and that

01:06:32.380 was part of like i knew he was your guy and you wrote the substack and i know you're busy but i

01:06:36.080 I was like, I bet Allison could just talk

01:06:38.920 off the top of her head about Lafayette.

01:06:41.020 This is not asking you to do any extra work

01:06:43.260 because I know you're very busy.

01:06:44.720 There was no additional research done for this episode.

01:06:47.700 This was one of all the things that I love about Lafayette.

01:06:50.380 Let me write them down and double check the dates.

01:06:53.960 That's perfect.

01:06:54.560 So thank you so much for joining me on this podcast.

01:06:56.440 I'll let the listeners know that next week

01:06:59.060 we're going to be having our Halloween special

01:07:01.860 and it's going to be an appropriately gruesome

01:07:05.960 French Revolution era story with another special guest, but people will find out what that is next

01:07:12.340 week. Thank you, Alison. Thank you, Anne. So Alison gave you all the info about how to follow

01:07:25.860 them on Substack and special order, pre-order, pre-order her new book. And I'll just tell you

01:07:32.980 some stuff about me. So first of all, I did a guest appearance on a podcast called Ye Old Crime

01:07:39.560 Podcast, where they discuss the funny, strange, and obscure crimes of yesteryear. It's a delightful

01:07:45.060 series if you're into historical true crime type stuff. And so they have an ongoing series where

01:07:51.460 they invite people like me, other podcasters on to, it's called Can You Crack the Cramp Word,

01:07:57.480 which are all victorian slang terms and that's what the show is like i i came on and i talked a

01:08:04.600 bit about vulgar history and how i started the show and things and then i was given some

01:08:09.520 some obscure victorian slang terms i had to see if i could guess what they meant and you'll have

01:08:15.220 to listen to ye old crime podcast to see how i did and also i'll just let you know that

01:08:22.640 there's lots of ways you can follow me and this podcast and keep up with what's up so i'm on

01:08:29.920 instagram at vulgar history pod and i'm also on threads at vulgar history pod and i have a patreon

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01:08:53.400 on, including a new, um, Patreon only podcast, casual podcast is what I'm calling it. And

01:09:00.380 what that means is I can record them and then post them right away. Um, and Christina,

01:09:05.240 our longtime editor, Christina Lallagy is not involved in this one because, um, it's,

01:09:10.280 I don't want to put the pressure on myself. I just like making it be loosey goosey and free

01:09:14.740 casual. And so what this is, it's called Anne is Writing a Podcast. Sorry, fix that. What it's

01:09:21.860 called is it's called Anne is Writing a Book, Rebel of the Regency, for I am writing a book

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01:10:38.060 And you can listen to all of our previous episodes, which are all a good time.

01:10:41.580 I think the more, the less we like a movie, the more fun the podcast is.

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01:10:49.400 And there's also episodes on there at that $5 a month level of So This Asshole where 0.53

01:10:53.760 we talk about Medram History, who are terrible.

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01:10:58.700 Lafayette, not a So This Asshole candidate because he was cool.

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