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00:00:18.320 hi everyone it's ann from the vulgar history podcast and this is a special drop here in your

00:00:34.620 in your regular vulgar history feed i wanted to give you a taste of something that i've started

00:00:38.540 doing on patreon which is a new patreon only podcast series called ann is writing a book

00:00:44.540 colon, Rebel of the Regency. And so what this is, is just, it's casual updates for me. Just

00:00:49.840 as I'm working on writing this book, I'm writing a book about Carolina Brunswick, the subject of

00:00:54.660 the first ever episode of Vulgar History. It's really exciting to be working on this book and

00:00:58.700 it's consuming most of my waking thoughts and time. And I just wanted to be able to share kind

00:01:06.980 of what this journey is like with all of you. I mean, the reason I was able to sell a proposal

00:01:12.200 to write a book was largely because of the support of you, the Tits Out Brigade. I mean, 0.68

00:01:17.340 a random person being like, hey, can I write a book about Carolina Brunswick? I don't know how

00:01:20.940 that would do. But I was like, hey, can I write a book about Carolina Brunswick? I have these

00:01:24.140 listeners. They're the Tits Out Brigade. They're all going to want to read this book. They all

00:01:27.460 love Carolina Brunswick. And that was part of why I was able to convince

00:01:30.540 Hannover Square Press to publish this book. Anyway, so I really wanted to bring you along

00:01:35.100 on this journey of writing the book. And also, selfishly, or just self-servingly,

00:01:41.080 I want, I need, I need to be talking about all this stuff that I'm finding out.

00:01:45.340 And I need to talk about it with people who know what I mean. You know, I have lots of

00:01:49.340 supportive, loving people in my real life. But if I tell one of them like, oh my God,

00:01:53.240 this is just really giving me like Rochelle with all the Napoleon content. You know, people who,

00:01:58.300 who are in my life, who sometimes listen to my podcast, don't necessarily have a, you know,

00:02:03.440 encyclopedic memory of all the episodes I've ever done, but you all do. And I really want to be able

00:02:08.280 to make these connections with somebody who gets what I'm talking about. Anyway, so what you're

00:02:11.900 about to hear is one of the episodes of this Patreon podcast and is writing a book. This one

00:02:17.160 happens to have special guest star, Alison Epstein, who we were like planning to record about Lafayette

00:02:23.140 anyway. And I was like, can I also record this extra thing with you? Because there's so much

00:02:28.480 Napoleon Bonaparte content in this book and I am kind of losing my mind. And who can I talk about

00:02:32.780 except Alison about a topic like that? Anyway, so this podcast, it's usually just me, but for a

00:02:37.500 special treat. You can hear me and Alison. And to hear more of these, Anne is writing a book,

00:02:43.620 Rebel of the Regency episodes. You can join my Patreon for free because this is the thing,

00:02:48.420 like with this book, I want as many people as possible to read it. And the Tits Out Brigade,

00:02:54.240 I want as many of you as possible to hear my thoughts and stuff about writing the book. And

00:02:59.020 so I've made this content. This podcast is free on my Patreon. So if you want to hear more episodes

00:03:03.900 of this, you can join my Patreon, which you go to, I mean, go to patreon.com slash Anne Foster

00:03:09.780 writer, or like open the Patreon app on your device and look for Anne Foster and you'll find

00:03:16.200 it there. And you just join at the free level. And then you can hear more of these, these episodes

00:03:21.840 as I, so many things I'm looking forward to recording and just like yelling about to people

00:03:27.160 who get what I'm talking about, which is all of you. So anyway, enjoy this. This is me yelling

00:03:32.020 about how mad I am that I had to learn about the Napoleonic Wars with a friend of the podcast,

00:03:37.380 Alison Epstein. Hello, and welcome to Anna's Writing a Book, Rebel of the Regency. And for

00:03:46.760 the first time on this podcast spin-off, I have a guest, and it's Alison Epstein.

00:03:51.260 Hello. Happy to be a guest.

00:03:53.560 I'm really happy. And also, this is necessary because I was going to do an episode of Anna's

00:03:58.840 writing a book where i just yelled about napoleon and how i'm mad that i have to i've borrowed a

00:04:04.220 book from the no i think i purchased a book that's called like the history of the napoleonic wars and

00:04:07.920 i'm so mad no you spent money on that i'm so mad i have that now not as mad as i am that i had to

00:04:18.300 look up what are wigs and tories but these are the sacrifices i make for our heroine carolina

00:04:25.620 of brunswick but anyway there's so much napoleon and then we were recording something else today

00:04:29.120 anyway and i'm like wait i can bring on allison for this napoleon stuff to torment me with napoleon

00:04:34.280 but also i've been told this is quality napoleon content so i'm well i would say it's napoleon

00:04:39.440 adjacent content it's kind of like in rochelle it's napoleon relatives content okay they're all

00:04:46.760 also named napoleon oh you can explain that to me when we get to all of them i'm just like why

00:04:52.140 um but also you have some context i believe you have some dates of when he did things or was made

00:04:58.760 emperor or something like that in my notes i have vague napoleon adjacent timeline business okay so

00:05:06.920 you can contextualize some of the stuff and this is technically if if i was paying for any of this

00:05:11.640 this would be a business expense this discussion because you're officially a consultant right now

00:05:16.380 i hate that my job is now napoleon consultant but i support this that's how you're gonna be

00:05:22.940 in the acknowledgments um no okay i might say thank you allison for explaining the french

00:05:27.620 revolution to me that might be what i say there we go because that also has to do with it turns

00:05:32.180 out everything was happening all at once i had just kind of thought of caroline was like bopping

00:05:35.620 around doing her own thing meanwhile other things were happening in the early 1800s but in fact

00:05:39.940 they're all connected. And I have to learn about why and how. So, okay. The first Napoleon

00:05:46.940 mention in my book and listeners, what I have done is brought up the draft of my book and I

00:05:52.680 did control F Napoleon. And I'm just going to walk all the Napoleon of it actually. And if you could

00:06:00.660 in a classic Alison and Anne recorder podcast way, if you could keep a tally of how many Napoleon

00:06:07.660 adjacent people we mention all together. I have a post-it right here for the purpose.

00:06:13.700 Amazing. Thank you. Um, and I might need that number from my book later. So I appreciate that

00:06:18.260 also. Okay. So the very first, let's see, where are we? We're in, I don't know, Caroline's in

00:06:26.940 England and she's in England, whatever. So her father, so Carl Wilhelm Ferdinand, and I want to

00:06:36.080 let you and the listeners know for anyone who didn't follow along with my travel blogs um

00:06:41.860 the only way that i'm interacting with anyone in the world right now by the way allison is by

00:06:46.260 creating content for the internet i am a hermit you have been creating so much content and there

00:06:52.640 has been so many more alpacas in it than i expected so the alpacas i i think when we were

00:06:59.800 leaving there i told my sister i'm like this is the best day of my life and it's true and it's true

00:07:06.080 huh i did i was imagining i'm like oh man hurting like walking with two trained alpacas

00:07:13.780 was like okay you know my alpaca um raffaello he did he was just sneaking leafs we're walking

00:07:21.940 through like a forest path and he was just like like if i like release the like leash a little

00:07:28.800 bit he would just be like eating all the leaves at face level he was just can you imagine hurting

00:07:34.240 12 000 untrained llamas that was the thing i was like okay i feel pretty good i feel like

00:07:40.320 pretty competent at like leading this one alpaca and then i was just like 10 000

00:07:45.580 but they are i'll tell you one more alpaca thing so they're very much a herd

00:07:51.440 animal they like to be in a pack is that why they're called alpacas

00:07:55.240 yes um this is this is anna's writing a podcast a podcast that is not fact-checked

00:08:04.240 so yeah so my sister was with the other alpaca whose name was marshmallow which was appropriate

00:08:12.800 because they're both white and so fluffy when you touch them they feel just like a ball of like

00:08:16.820 alpaca yarn like i was just like they just it just grows off of them like that just like this

00:08:20.660 beautiful fleece um and it's called fleece not fur anyway so the guide was like zoe this like

00:08:27.660 cool 18 year old german girl um she was like yeah no uh marshmallow prefers to be in the lead and 0.50

00:08:34.800 indeed marshmallow was just like i'm the leader and he was walking with such a prideful posture

00:08:40.240 just like i am the leader of this gang of two alpacas and three humans so and then rafael i

00:08:46.220 was happy to be bringing up the lead just eating leaves constantly and at one point we passed

00:08:50.900 another group of people with alpacas and zoe was like oh sometimes they try to like join the other

00:08:56.040 group because they're like oh there's the pack but marshmallow i think was confident enough in

00:09:03.540 his leadership he's like no this is my pack although there was one point where we were by

00:09:07.820 a lake and zoe was like the alpacas might want to go in the water and in fact marshmallow did he

00:09:12.920 just like strolled and just stood in the water my sister's trying to be like come on come on 1.00

00:09:17.940 and marshmallow's just like no just chilling in the water and i thought 10 000

00:09:22.580 he was just standing there and would not budge um raffaello was just like took the opportunity

00:09:31.320 to just eat grass i love them the chaos of 10 000 just all standing in bodies of water feeling like

00:09:41.020 we're not going to peru today so there are two at the place they also had two llamas who i did not

00:09:46.100 see but zoe described them she's like llamas she's like she described them as she said this

00:09:50.700 literally is like two alpacas and a trench coat because llamas are just big but they're they act

00:09:57.660 exactly like the alpacas do and she said one of the llamas likes to go in the lake and and he will

00:10:03.680 like submerge himself and come back up and i was like that would be so heavy like all the fleece

00:10:10.680 on a llama drenched in water and she's like well they're pack animals you know they're used to

00:10:15.260 carrying luggage so it's like okay so he's just carrying his own heavy self so it was honestly a

00:10:23.500 dream come true like actually um when i was looking at brown swag and i was like what are

00:10:29.460 some activities we could do i was like alpaca farm we're in i told my sister i'm like guess what

00:10:36.300 we're doing um okay no alpaca is in this story tragically alas in this book though there are

00:10:43.320 numerous donkeys Caroline really likes to ride a donkey but we're not talking about that today

00:10:48.040 so her father Carl Wilhelm Ferdinand who in Braunschweig everyone we talked to use all

00:10:55.240 three names he's a three name he's Sarah Jessica Parker of the time Carl Wilhelm Ferdinand great

00:11:02.480 beloved hero of Brunswick um he was like a war hero and it's sort of one of those sad stories

00:11:08.860 where like all he wanted to do is like be a nerd and read books and like go to university

00:11:12.560 but they're like you're the king you have to lead armies constantly for decades he's like okay but

00:11:17.600 he was really good at it anyway so the at this point i don't know what year it is but whatever

00:11:24.180 early 1800s king frederick william iii of prussia declared war against napoleon and his army

00:11:30.700 yes do you know what year that is it is 18 between 1804 and 1812 i don't know what year but it's in

00:11:39.720 there okay this is the part where everyone in europe's declaring war on napoleon well and this

00:11:45.440 is where i was confused with this is why i had to get the book because i'm just like is this not

00:11:49.140 so it's not just one long war it's a bunch of mini wars it's the war of the one through six

00:11:55.020 coalitions i think and they all happened within like 10 years and i can't tell those apart either

00:12:00.200 that's just europe's fighting napoleon yeah the coalitions that's the thing it's like this country

00:12:04.960 and this country are fighting napoleon and then it's like that first country and this two other

00:12:08.700 countries are fighting napoleon and i'm just like so it wasn't just consistent okay so um so they're

00:12:14.440 like okay we're going to war who's going to lead the war oh carl wilhelm fernand the best war leader

00:12:19.840 and he's like dudes i'm 71 years old and they're like yes you're still alive so let's do it so he

00:12:27.100 was appointed commander of the prussian forces um and then the prussian forces were defeated

00:12:33.820 Her father was badly wounded, left nearly blind, and when I, Carl Wilhelm Ferdinand reached out to Napoleon, requesting that Braunschweig could remain neutral in this battle, Napoleon agreed. 0.56

00:12:45.000 But only if KWF retired from the Prussian army. 0.63

00:12:48.480 And he was like, no, I'm 71 and I'll never stop.

00:12:51.880 Kind of Joe Biden vibes.

00:12:54.740 Anyway, Caroline, she loved her dad.

00:12:57.040 She was, he was a girl dad.

00:12:58.860 and she wrote quote as long as he could use his limbs and vital air was in him he would defend

00:13:04.280 his king and country so she was like proud of him not giving up foreshadowing of her not giving up

00:13:10.160 there's some sort of quote that she said at one point that's like a brunswicker never

00:13:13.620 accepts defeat and when i was in brown shrug i was like she said this is that like a phrase here

00:13:18.640 and everyone was like no could be though it's a good one maybe it was 200 years ago anyway her

00:13:28.400 father got sick because of his wounds um and eventually he died basically so so long story 0.99

00:13:36.240 short napoleon killed her father yes yes and fuck him very much for that that's napoleon adjacent 0.99

00:13:42.540 person number one napoleon yes yes exactly oh god i'm gonna read you this is very much the first 0.99

00:13:52.580 draft of my book okay i'm going to read you a direct quote from my book that i'm like you are

00:13:58.440 a writer i'm just writing and i'm going to go back in and like change it but oh god this is

00:14:03.700 ideas first words bad draft i get it yeah exactly so i'm going to read you a little quote um so

00:14:14.140 we haven't discussed the napoleonic wars in this book so far because caroline was not interested

00:14:19.960 in the minutiae of military strategy and this is a book about caroline but much like the wigs and

00:14:24.760 the tories worming their way in a few chapters back it is now unavoidable to get into the napoleon

00:14:30.040 of it all this is chapter 10 i was so sad when i had to read it you made it 10 whole chapters

00:14:36.440 that's pretty good i know it's it didn't really overlap with her life until her father died okay

00:14:41.500 so her father died and then her brother reedrick aka the black duke oh we love a sassy nickname

00:14:51.040 for a dude in a book he is great her so outside of the like the museum i visited there there's

00:14:59.860 two statues of men on horses and one is kwf and the other one is the black duke um and he's very

00:15:07.600 recognizable as i soon learned because every building i went in there was so many portraits

00:15:12.000 of the black duke he wears this beret and he has these like mutton chops mustache and his beret

00:15:18.360 is black and has skull and crossbones on it in silver so you know i love a character building

00:15:24.040 hat bless this man oh i you know what i'll tell you right now so the black duke his well actually

00:15:29.560 i'll tell you why he became the black duke so he was in charge of brunswick because the dad had

00:15:34.540 died. Anyway, Napoleon wanted to take over all of the German duchies, which he did. And so he took

00:15:41.880 over and invented a new kingdom of Westphalia. This is 1807. Ruled over by his brother, Jerome.

00:15:49.100 So this is my question for you. And I don't know if you know. Napoleon's siblings. Is this a

00:15:55.920 situation where it's kind of like when Oliver Cromwell died and his useless son took over 0.69

00:16:01.840 and he wasn't as good at stuff as him.

00:16:04.860 Were Napoleon's siblings bad at being leaders?

00:16:09.700 I don't think they were famously bad at it,

00:16:13.480 but no one's talking about his brothers

00:16:16.360 and the things they're doing.

00:16:18.300 They're kind of just also present,

00:16:20.300 being in charge of things like Spain and Westphalia.

00:16:24.040 So I get the impression that they were sort of just like,

00:16:27.100 oh, my brother gave me a kingdom.

00:16:28.680 Let me do whatever he says with it.

00:16:31.840 I was trying to think of a comparison. And the only one I could really think of is like, if Napoleon is like Kim Kardashian, the brothers are kind of like Kendall. It's kind of like, oh, okay, you're, you are also here.

00:16:47.000 You also have brown hair. So I guess, um, yeah. But the first time I learned about this was when my sister and I were in the museum and Brownschweig and we're just like, oh, you know, we're like, oh, the black Duke recognize him now, like pictures of like various other people who recognized.

00:17:00.940 and then it's like why is there a portrait of napoleon here she's like oh that's his

00:17:05.220 that's his brother jerome jerome bonaparte dollar store napoleon so he was put in charge of

00:17:13.800 westphalia which included brown track so um and this is where i think you'll relate a lot to the

00:17:19.940 black duke who developed a raging hatred of bonaparte and just the french in general um and

00:17:25.920 he was just like okay gotta wait for the right time to avenge my father's death and reclaim

00:17:29.820 my homeland okay and then we've got the fifth coalition um there's so many basically this was

00:17:38.860 his opportunity and he's like can i join you the fifth coalition i i don't have a country but i'm

00:17:44.240 the black duke and can i and they're like yes if you pay for your own legion he's like i shall

00:17:49.200 so he mortgaged his principality i don't know if that means house or like i think that means

00:17:56.740 brunswick anyway so from that money he paid for his anyway and but he's like okay i'm calling upon

00:18:04.520 anyone who hates the french please join me and let's make a new legion and so volunteer everyone

00:18:09.060 in europe was like yes you called 2 000 volunteers arrived and they had all come from like different

00:18:15.840 armies so they had different colored jackets um but they're like well we all have to match because

00:18:20.580 otherwise it'll be confusing in the battlefield of who is who so they're like okay well what's

00:18:23.880 the easiest color that we could all dye all these colors black so they all dyed their jackets black

00:18:29.300 but also black represented the mourning of their country and so this legion became known as the 0.63

00:18:35.720 black brunswickers and that is why he their leader became known as the black duke that's so metal i

00:18:42.180 love that oh my god it is their their saying was victory or death fabulous never compromise always 0.98

00:18:50.580 be as goth and intense as possible absolutely yeah and remember they they all had the skull 0.64

00:18:55.640 and crossbones on as well yes so the black topic ass prince i love him he is great he's great there's 0.77

00:19:03.880 a part later in the story where he like flees to england um and then he they're like okay you the 0.90

00:19:09.000 black brunswickers like can become like satellite members of the british military and carolyn is

00:19:14.140 like it was so sad he had to cut off his mutton chops and change out of his black into a red coat 0.94

00:19:19.260 and I'm like is that Caroline because he was hot um anyway so I wrote Friedrich's regiment

00:19:29.540 filled with righteous fury um descended upon Germany and briefly uh reclaimed control of

00:19:37.580 Braunschweig and this is why he is the national hero of there and his grave he's in the same

00:19:43.260 crypt as where Caroline is buried and she's got this beautiful like it's like a coffin I guess

00:19:48.920 you would say but it's covered in like red velvet and there's like a crown on top and it's very like

00:19:53.520 elegant and lovely looking and then his in the back is covered in black velvet

00:19:57.520 with like silver tassels all over it two black flags crossed on top of it like on the ground

00:20:05.700 right under like a window and i was told by my tour guide like she had to unlock the crypt to

00:20:10.780 let us in she said it used to be open to everybody but too many people in the 21st century would go

00:20:17.180 down there and go to the black duke's grave and like pull off like one little thread as a souvenir

00:20:21.300 because people still love this guy that's amazing honestly i want to be so famous that they have to

00:20:28.980 lock my crypt so people don't keep tomb raiding me because they love me so much that's amazing

00:20:34.900 200 years after you live yes yeah and everyone there just calls him the black duke um anyway

00:20:42.720 but he's not dead yet so anyway so he briefly reclaimed it but then napoleon's forces were 0.90

00:20:47.860 like the hell you do and then the black brunswickers like fought their way they like fled but like in

00:20:53.360 a fighting way because there was napoleon troops everywhere so they held off the attacking armies 0.95

00:20:59.540 and made their way to england so again so jerome napoleon would be the second napoleon got him and

00:21:07.460 And then, oh yeah, and then also I'll just mention Napoleon himself.

00:21:11.160 Like when he, when was he made emperor?

00:21:13.740 Do you have that date?

00:21:15.120 The first time or the second time?

00:21:16.720 When was there the big coronation event?

00:21:20.980 The first time.

00:21:22.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:22.960 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:23.220 So he had this big coronation event and goddamn Prinny was like, I need to have a party that cool. 0.98

00:21:30.680 He's like, when I, but, so he was made regent, but there's not like a coronation when you're a regent because your father is incredibly ill. 0.95

00:21:37.460 um so he was yeah incredibly it's in bad taste to celebrate your ascension to the regency

00:21:42.740 while your father is dying like please be chill sir but he was like he's like oh but i gotta be

00:21:47.860 as cool as napoleon so anyway so he had like a big party and didn't invite caroline that was

00:21:52.680 the next napoleon mention oh yeah yeah he had been impatiently waiting to hold his own napoleon

00:21:59.260 level coronation and was determined to show up the french emperor with a luxurious party of his

00:22:03.340 own anyway but he didn't let caroline attend because they were estranged and he also didn't

00:22:08.000 let their teenage daughter charlotte attend because she was more popular than him and she 0.99

00:22:11.720 didn't want he didn't want her to take the attention away from him because he is a bitch 0.98

00:22:16.160 let's see so the next uh napoleon was defeated by wellington's troops when was that do you have that 0.97

00:22:24.680 i do that was 1815 yeah so everyone celebrations were held across london windows were lit with

00:22:32.820 candles people took to the streets and joy yay monarchy is restored in france i don't know i

00:22:37.420 guess they're just happy napoleon was defeated i don't think they're like yay monarchy is restored 0.98

00:22:41.240 who is no that was a that was a fuck napoleon party is what that was absolutely okay so then 0.98

00:22:47.680 eventually caroline leaves england um and part of the reason why she couldn't leave england until 0.98

00:22:54.260 now was because of wars yeah oh no but i have one more thing so the treaty of amiens was in like the

00:23:04.060 early 1800s and that was a period where england and france decided agreed to not be at war with

00:23:10.960 each other and it lasted for like a year just i hate that i know that you know the treaty of

00:23:16.120 amiens oh is that not common knowledge oh yeah that thing that ann foster in particular is so

00:23:21.000 interested in reading about no but here's where it pertains so because the war was on pause that

00:23:27.760 meant that the dock workers became were all fired or like they didn't need as many dock workers in

00:23:33.460 london because there wasn't ships coming and going all the time and so this one particular dock worker

00:23:39.160 he and his wife had just had a baby and now they couldn't like pay to have a baby because he was

00:23:44.900 of work because of the piece um and so but they were like well apparently caroline of brunswick

00:23:51.640 we've heard that she's really cool and maybe like she could like petition on our behalf to like get

00:23:56.640 a new dock worker job for you so his wife uh which is like a thing that she did do she was very

00:24:03.660 philanthropic so this is while she's still in england anyway so the guy is the doc the unemployed

00:24:09.800 dock worker's wife um and their young toddler son i don't know why she took the toddler son with her

00:24:15.500 but anyway she like walked wait some great distance to caroline's house i guess just to

00:24:22.160 look like really like fontaine and les miserables as possible to just be like oh please i'm so poor

00:24:27.660 like when do you take mercy on me and my starving little child anyway so they went to caroline and

00:24:33.920 caroline was like starving little child you say what if i don't know caroline adopt him and that 0.69

00:24:40.300 became willie austin she's so predictable as soon as you said toddler child i was like she's gonna 0.98

00:24:47.120 steal that child isn't she she did and that's so that's willikens willie austin who like she raised

00:24:53.780 for the rest of his life and that was the one the delicate investigation was like is this seriously

00:24:57.660 caroline's child did caroline have a secret baby that's that baby and we can owe that all to

00:25:04.060 napoleon for making the dock workers unemployed okay so the anyway eventually she got to leave

00:25:10.380 england and she went to she had permission to go to brunswick and so that is where she went and she

00:25:15.660 arrived there and everyone in in germany was just like napoleon's gone we're so happy 0.90

00:25:20.360 um anyway so she went back and she went to she stayed with the black duke who was like in charge

00:25:28.580 there again um everyone is just like happy to be there but eventually she was like oh right i

00:25:34.220 remember now why i hated living here and i wanted to leave so then she left um brunswick okay and

00:25:40.940 this is where we're getting into the napoleon adjacent people because at around this time

00:25:45.240 And my guess is that she, like, Napoleon had, like, been responsible for, like, stealing her homeland, killing her beloved father, but she hated Prinney and England so much that she flipped around to being, like, a stan for Napoleon.

00:26:02.600 She was like, Napoleon is my guy now because...

00:26:06.400 Because he also hates Prinney, so...

00:26:15.240 because they're like, you'd think that he killed her,

00:26:18.800 like because of what he did to her homeland and to her father.

00:26:21.960 It's like, why would she ever like him?

00:26:23.300 But it's like, but more so.

00:26:25.800 It was a way to...

00:26:27.320 It's whatever's going to make my husband the maddest

00:26:29.900 is what I'm going to do.

00:26:31.360 Yes.

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00:29:00.160 Okay, so in Strasbourg, France,

00:29:02.180 she encountered this guy,

00:29:04.800 Françoise Etienne Christophe Kellerman.

00:29:07.380 who had been a hero of the French side of the wars,

00:29:09.580 fighting on Napoleon's side.

00:29:11.360 In fact, he had led the French troops at the battle

00:29:13.420 that her father died in.

00:29:16.420 And people were like,

00:29:17.560 this is going to be awkward.

00:29:18.520 But she's like, no, it's chill.

00:29:19.660 It's cool.

00:29:20.160 I like Napoleon now.

00:29:22.280 So when she arrived,

00:29:24.500 he was called upon to do a ceremonial review

00:29:26.720 of the 8,000 troops lined up to greet her.

00:29:29.280 And they were all like,

00:29:30.080 what's she going to do?

00:29:31.200 But she was gracious to him.

00:29:33.160 Yeah.

00:29:33.380 So now she just like loved French.

00:29:34.640 She loved Napoleon.

00:29:35.420 and then she like she was making her basically to italy across europe and so everywhere she went

00:29:41.180 though she met the local like dignitaries and they hosted a dinner for her included

00:29:44.600 attending a dinner alongside napoleon's wife empress marie louise

00:29:48.980 person number three yeah so this is after he dumped josephine he married marie louise i don't

00:29:57.880 know much about her um my recollection is that marie louise was the boring one but that might

00:30:03.640 be unfair to marie louise well and she might be boring but um the two women hit it off to the 0.65

00:30:10.300 that they sang duets at the post-dinner celebrations which i imagine is like karaoke 0.99

00:30:15.560 yes absolutely yeah so but marie louise could be boring but also caroline had a real knack of just 0.99

00:30:23.680 like people liked her they like to spend time with her she had enough personality for two people 0.99

00:30:28.060 it's fine exactly so marie louise was there um and then wait why do i have my next napoleon oh

00:30:36.880 yeah i just have right there i have a footnote napoleon was in exile in elba at this point so

00:30:42.800 marie louise is just kind of being like oh my husband's in exile i don't know i'll just go to

00:30:47.860 dinner parties i guess and then she goes to naples which is ruled over by king joachim dash napoleon

00:30:58.060 um who had been a marshal in napoleon's army and was now married to napoleon's sister

00:31:02.780 carolina there we go joaquin isn't that the same name as jerome yeah there's only four names

00:31:11.640 they're all napoleon because joaquin phoenix played napoleon right it's true i will not

00:31:18.120 watch that movie but i'm told it was bad as are many things joaquin phoenix does lately

00:31:24.860 so she went to naples and britain had been like don't go to naples they're like on napoleon side

00:31:32.420 and she's like go to naples because they're on napoleon side great so she went there um and they

00:31:37.540 they all hit it off with each other so anyway this was described by somebody the four months

00:31:44.940 in naples is a time of continuous fete and rivalry caroline uh recommended her favorite dark

00:31:52.440 so caroline was blonde um she had blonde eyelashes blonde eyebrows she came from a family of

00:31:58.340 people who are very blonde um in like targaryens from game of thrones type way

00:32:06.300 and i saw numerous portraits of this family and is startling um and the blondness is like the

00:32:14.460 targaryens due to inbreeding anyway but caroline so like she was in her goth phase she was dying 0.92

00:32:21.460 her hair dark because to be like the black duke to be like the black duke to be like because she

00:32:28.300 was in italy she wanted to fit in there you go she also liked to draw her eyebrows on very dark 0.77

00:32:33.460 it's just like any blonde pop star has a dark hair phase like she was just like i'm not blonde 0.97

00:32:40.880 anymore now i have dark hair so i'm a hot topic of it all yeah you're right it is her and the black

00:32:47.740 anyway so she also really always like buying presents for people so she ordered 50 bottles

00:32:54.480 of her favorite dark hair dye as a gift to napoleon's sister 0.99

00:32:57.700 um which is a thing called collie's chemical cream i bet you that thing had so many poisons 0.97

00:33:07.000 in it i know i was gonna say it's like contains arsenic mixed with cocaine um but queen carolina

00:33:14.680 so there had been somebody had written this like book that pretended to be caroline's memoirs but

00:33:20.220 it wasn't her memoirs it was this irish guy had been hired by prinny to write

00:33:26.200 memoirs to make caroline look bad that's actually incredible yeah

00:33:30.980 yeah i forget if i have acquired that yet there's another book that i have acquired um thank you

00:33:39.660 the internet archive but um anyway so when caroline got to italy a lot of people had read that and

00:33:45.040 they were so excited to meet her because she was like so scandalous they thought they kind of knew

00:33:47.820 her life anyway queen carolina napoleon's sister apparently kept a copy of the memoirs on her

00:33:53.360 bedside table oh besties yeah so they're friends they're at a party and then napoleon's yes okay

00:34:05.440 napoleon's mistress countess waluska who is polish um and i was like wait a minute i remember her

00:34:14.960 because one of rochelle's lovers was napoleon's like illegitimate polish son there you go anyway

00:34:21.540 so countess waluska had visited napoleon in exile on elba at some point and then she arrived at a

00:34:28.320 party caroline was attending so caroline was just like oh my god napoleon's mistress

00:34:31.840 is um that's on allison's tally sheet i'm so excited it is anyway so she arrived um not

00:34:39.680 bearing news but she arrived simultaneous to when the news arrived that napoleon had escaped from

00:34:44.440 elba seven days before this party and joaquin and king caroline were like had were suspected of

00:34:54.040 having known that he was going to do that because that was like caroline was his sister and so

00:34:59.040 basically they had known that he was going to do this so just count as valuska arrived at the party

00:35:04.300 it was like guess what it happened and everyone at the party's like oh my god napoleon is freed

00:35:08.380 and carolina was like yes napoleon was freed and i was involved i helped carolina was like yep that

00:35:15.280 was me i'm friends with them i also knew he was gonna do that number one napoleon fan carolina

00:35:20.100 did you hear that for me i'll say it louder for you number one fan so not many believed her but

00:35:26.700 there was this um there was this javert type spy who prinny had hired to follow caroline and he

00:35:35.200 became like obsessed with caroline but and he believed all of her weird stories and he was

00:35:39.340 like oh my god this is great for my for my spy diary caroline helped napoleon escape so he was

00:35:44.740 like investigating like what was her involvement in napoleon's escape um so then the napoleon will

00:35:53.680 tell people what so he escaped from elba and then what yeah he escaped from elba and he came back

00:36:00.020 to france because elba is like 12 miles away from france he could have swam this if he wanted to

00:36:06.060 and he showed up and said hi guess what i'm gonna be emperor again and this was called the 100 days

00:36:12.440 because he stayed emperor again for exactly 100 days and he got some of his old followers back

00:36:19.180 and started trying to like go back the way things were.

00:36:21.980 And every single country in Europe said, 0.98

00:36:24.780 absolutely the fuck not. 0.99

00:36:26.260 We are not going to do this. 0.97

00:36:29.000 And so they challenged him at the Battle of Waterloo in 1815

00:36:32.660 and said, hey, guess what?

00:36:34.340 We're going to defeat you.

00:36:35.360 And they did.

00:36:37.060 And Napoleon was then sent into exile

00:36:39.520 significantly farther than 12 miles away,

00:36:42.640 like off the coast of Angola in Western Africa.

00:36:46.100 Wow, that's where St. Paul is.

00:36:48.740 Yes.

00:36:49.180 um so during these 100 days it was kind of they didn't know it was going to be 100 days no they

00:36:57.260 didn't call it the 100 days until it had been 100 days so it's just like oh my god no plane's back

00:37:02.400 in power so the whole thing is like joaquin and carolina were expected that naples was going to

00:37:07.040 like be on his side and support him and then britain was like uh the princess of wales is

00:37:12.140 in naples she should probably not be there because we're going to be at war with them soon

00:37:16.260 so a frigate was sent to fetch her and remove her so and she's like that's cool i'll just like

00:37:23.760 travel around whatever and have a nice time um she out got her so at this point she had her

00:37:31.940 boyfriend bartolomeo pergami six foot five described as having mustaches from here to london

00:37:39.700 here being italy um he had he was super hot super tall and she got him when she was like

00:37:47.880 ceremonial processing she got him to wear an outfit that looked like joachim's outfit

00:37:52.700 and to sort of like impersonate joachim why not yeah that's what she did and so napoleon is just

00:38:01.060 like doing yeah so during these 100 days tragically this is where the black duke died

00:38:06.560 in combat r.i.p to a real one yeah at the battle of cotter cotter bra which is like shortly before

00:38:14.660 wellington um defeated him at waterloo so he like almost made it so close and then the next

00:38:22.180 napoleon thing because guess what we're not done napoleon's done but caroline's not

00:38:27.200 so involvement points escape and then next yeah two days after the black duke died um was waterloo 0.73

00:38:36.340 no yeah yeah it makes me so sad i love him okay so then caroline is yeah so so she lives in italy

00:38:46.640 for a while and then she's just like chilling in italy having a nice time and then she decides

00:38:51.160 to go on this like grand tour basically because she it's very relatable she's like in her 40s and

00:38:57.660 she had never been able to travel and she's like i want to see all the sights i want to go to all

00:39:01.460 the places and she was just going all the places um and on route she's like wait our ship she's 1.00

00:39:08.160 like in the mediterranean this is my chapter eat fuck pray um eat wait eat pray fuck oh you 1.00

00:39:16.960 helped me with this pray fuck certainly yeah because the alternative is eat fuck love and 1.00

00:39:22.880 that's just redundant at that point yeah yeah yeah so so she's going on her fuck tour of the 0.99

00:39:27.200 at a trinium and she's like oh my god we're going to pass by elba so then she's ship captain stop 0.84

00:39:32.500 in elba so she could like see napoleon's former exile house because she's like a super fan

00:39:37.180 yeah and then she was described as running out of the house holding a billiards queue

00:39:42.560 i love her i don't relate but i do love historical looting i think i should rephrase don't take that

00:39:51.100 of context i don't love historical looting but i love white on white looting yeah yes

00:39:57.300 um this kind that's hilarious yes yeah and then later she had like can i put down the billiards

00:40:04.260 cue as the sixth napoleon adjacent person yes okay great um but also in a thing that i think

00:40:09.600 you would appreciate as well caroline was really into like flipping villas at this point she would 0.96

00:40:14.440 just like move to a villa and like fix it up and then like move to another villa and in one of her 0.97

00:40:20.380 village she was designing a billiards room presumably to display this queue prominently

00:40:26.820 anyway so her boyfriend bertolomeo pergami his more of his family started living with her

00:40:32.420 including his mom who caroline got everyone calling madame mayor um like mrs mother

00:40:41.540 and she did that because that is apparently what napoleon called his mother we're putting

00:40:47.740 ghost of napoleon's mother on the list yeah okay and so now we're into 1817 and she gets to rome

00:40:58.140 and she was provided housing at the villa ruffanella a property owned by prince lucien

00:41:04.960 bonaparte younger brother of napoleon because i don't even know that one there were surprisingly

00:41:12.180 more napoleon brothers than i ever expected there was like a dugger amount of yeah they just keep

00:41:19.000 showing up yeah so that's like as far as i've got in my writing thus far um one actually that's the

00:41:26.480 latest napoleon mentioned like how could there be more at this point but i feel like there will be

00:41:30.440 more at some point he doesn't die until 1821 so there's still time he and then his nephew becomes 0.89

00:41:35.960 emperor whatever the fuck so and then rochelle fucks him and then like part two of this discussion 1.00

00:41:41.640 we're having is the Rochelle episode because that's that's where everybody else comes in 0.98

00:41:47.780 all the other Napoleons but yeah but actually so Napoleon died 1821 Caroline also died 1821

00:41:54.060 Rochelle born 1821 to pick up the mantle of Napoleon love I will just say as well so when

00:42:02.360 Napoleon died um Prinny somebody came and was like Prinny your bitterest enemy has died

00:42:11.320 meaning napoleon and prinny said is she i hate him so much that's my least favorite story about 0.95

00:42:18.660 him because it combines him being a dick with him thinking he's funny and i hate it and it also 0.90

00:42:25.200 includes napoleon that's it's three things i hate yeah well yeah but that was this was like when i 0.99

00:42:33.260 was going through the the fuck tour era and i'm just like okay napoleon's wife napoleon's mistress 0.95

00:42:39.500 napoleon's brother i'm just like this is this is too many bonapartes i can't i don't want this in 0.84

00:42:46.380 my book why is this happening i didn't know we got eight bonapartes including the bonapart pool cue

00:42:52.300 so oh thank you eight too many it's too many yeah it's it's writing this book is you know a journey

00:43:01.800 as you well know as a person who has written books um but every day it's just like okay what

00:43:07.480 because this draft i'm doing i'm going like chronological order so sometimes it's like a

00:43:11.420 fun chapter like caroline goes to tunisia to ride a donkey somewhere to rescue the white slaves

00:43:20.080 um and then such a lot where it's just kind of like oh caroline and the next chapter is just

00:43:28.360 like prinny is awful and i'm like so mad and i like go to bed and i can't go to sleep because

00:43:32.040 i'm like so mad at prinny and the next day it's just like something charming like you never know

00:43:35.020 But the day when I was just like, I'm gonna I was like, I like, tragically open like the Napoleon Wikipedia page. And I was like, no, no, it's awful. Because the amount of words that they spend on all of the coalitions is just disproportionate to the amount that I give a fuck. I just want the date and the fact stop telling me about the maneuvers.

00:43:56.160 oh my god it's so much stuff actually where i found some good stuff about the black duke which

00:44:01.940 i needed to because there's not a lot of english language sources about the duke of brunswick as

00:44:08.180 it turns out incredibly was this roblox wiki because there's this there's this like roblox

00:44:18.280 game where you do the napoleonic wars i guess okay and it's like guys i assume guys who are very

00:44:28.560 interested in the minutiae of war maneuvers and so there's like a page about all the battles and

00:44:34.040 what they did so you can like program it and make your little roblox guys do the battles

00:44:39.000 anyway there's a page i'm glad these people have hobbies there's a page on there about the black

00:44:43.980 brunswickers and about the black duke and it had some information that i was trying to find so

00:44:48.080 will that be in the bibliography of my book stay tuned i hope so um roblox wiki well and at first

00:44:56.200 i was like wow this is just a wiki about the napoleonic wars i wonder why the pictures all

00:45:00.260 look like little legos and it took me quite a while to realize like oh this is a wiki about a

00:45:07.300 roblox video game that is doing the napoleon i don't understand exactly but it was helpful to

00:45:13.720 incredible i love this um anyway thank you for walking through with me this that's eight too

00:45:20.400 many no i think i'm okay the billiards cue seven too many bonapartes for my liking but caroline's

00:45:28.620 like spite fandom i do appreciate i do love that for her if i don't love it for you because then

00:45:37.120 you have to read about Napoleon yeah he's just like you know how big his tomb is it's so yes

00:45:46.940 it's like so big it's like a whole house it's like it's so unnecessary yeah France anyway this

00:45:55.580 is still very confusing but we're going to be talking about the French Revolution in the next

00:45:58.360 thing we're recording so let's go anyway thank you Allison thank you Patreons who are listening

00:46:04.020 to all this um i promise my book has exactly that much bone apart in it and no more it has

00:46:11.820 more roblox than it has been the napoleon the napoleon content of my book is i would say less

00:46:18.040 than one percent of the full amount of the book oh look honestly like i don't know what was worse

00:46:24.520 the day i looked up the napoleon wikipedia page or the day that i looked up the wigs and tory's

00:46:29.900 Wikipedia page. I was just like, I could have happily and I had happily been living my life

00:46:35.720 not having to understand either of those things. And then one day I did. But you know, I grew as

00:46:40.560 a person. Anyway, thank you, Alison. We're gonna go record something else now. Bye. Bye.

00:46:49.520 So that is a taste of my new spinoff podcast series and is writing a book colon rebel of

00:46:55.680 the regency and i do want to say i called the series that because hopefully i'll write lots

00:47:00.060 of other books and then it'll be a spin of pockets and is writing a book colon whatever my next book

00:47:04.220 is about maybe it's going to be about lola montez who knows anyway so if you want to hear more

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00:47:16.040 is on my mind as i'm working on writing this book which is like again consuming all of my time 0.93

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00:47:26.680 appearances on this podcast because she is she's basically a co-author on this book the first 0.98

00:47:32.260 episode one of the episodes of this and is writing a book rebel of the regency heparin jumps up and

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