Vulgar History - International, part 23： Hortense Mancini's Sisters (pt 6⧸6)

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Vulgar History. My name is Anne Foster and this is a feminist women's 1.00

00:00:16.980 history comedy podcast. I tried to start the episode by saying something different and then

00:00:21.300 I got totally messed up so I really just have to say those words in that order and that's what

00:00:25.040 we're going to do. So this week is sort of like bonus features, which many of you might know

00:00:31.240 when people would get movies on DVD or on Blu-ray disc, a lot of people still do. But I just know

00:00:40.040 there's some youths listening who've maybe only ever watched things on streaming. I don't know.

00:00:44.320 Anyway, when movies are not on streaming, when you buy a disc, there's special features, you know,

00:00:49.240 like behind the scenes documentaries about the costumes or the making of or whatever.

00:00:53.220 And so this is kind of like a bonus feature for the Hortense Mancini five-part special.

00:01:00.280 This is Keeping Up with Les Mesorinettes, because I can't, it just feels like a plot.

00:01:07.440 I don't know, it's like sometimes in a book at the end, it's kind of like, and here's

00:01:11.620 what happened to this person, and here's what happened to this person.

00:01:13.640 It's like loose ends, and I can't not tie up the loose ends when they're so fabulous

00:01:18.300 and interesting.

00:01:18.960 So this week, keeping up with Les Mazarinettes, the references for this are Wikipedia, The Affair of the Poisons by Anne Somerset, Love and Louis XIV by Antonia Frazier, and The King's Mistress by Elizabeth Goldsmith, as well as a website called PartyLike1660.com, who had an article about Marie Mancini.

00:01:39.840 So a hundred years ago, when we did Hortense Manchini part one, I talked about Cardinal

00:01:45.200 Mazarin and the Mazarinettes were his seven nieces. And then I'm going to include in this

00:01:51.060 episode, um, Philippe, who was his one nephew because he was a cool guy. And I consider him

00:01:56.560 like an honorary Mazarinette, like in the babysitter's club, how Logan is the boy

00:02:01.200 babysitter. So who are the Mazarinettes? Where do they come from? So we're going to talk about

00:02:05.860 their parents and grandparents. I mean, on the one side, the Mezzarin side. On the Mezzarin side, 1.00

00:02:14.460 the grandparents were Pietro Mazzarino and Hortensia Bufalini. Pietro moved to Rome from

00:02:20.980 Sicily. Hortensia was from Rome, and Hortensia's family, the Bufalinis, were a noble family

00:02:27.060 originally from Umbria, who had moved to Rome in the Middle Ages, which I think is just,

00:02:31.520 I love that as a clarification where it's like, okay, so like 100 years ago, because this is

00:02:36.240 the Renaissance. So Hortensia was the goddaughter of her husband's employer, Filippo I, Colonna.

00:02:44.300 That's the grandparents. Then they had children, and the children were Cardinal Mazarin and his

00:02:48.480 two sisters. So the two sisters were the mothers of the Mazarinettes. So they were Geronima, who

00:02:54.300 is the mother of the five Mancini sisters, and also Philippe, and Laura Margherita, the mother

00:02:59.740 of the two Martinozzi sisters. It is unclear which sister is older because both were like

00:03:05.040 maybe born in 1608 or maybe not. So similar age, presumably. Laura, and I think in Italian,

00:03:13.340 it's like Laura. So Laura Margarita married Count Hirolamo Martinozzi, and they had two daughters,

00:03:21.620 Anna Maria and Laura. There's a number of Lauras in this story. So that's the two Martinozzi

00:03:29.080 sisters. Geronima married Baron Lorenzo Mancini, who was a necromancer and astrologer. So that's

00:03:37.120 a whole other story that we're not, I'm not going to dive all the way into this like rabbit hole of

00:03:41.180 who they were, but just know he was cool. And so they had seven children who survived. There were

00:03:47.340 other children. There was like three children who died in infancy. So they're surviving children,

00:03:52.320 the ones we're going to talk about today. Laura, that's the third one. Paul Jules.

00:03:56.780 oh actually no Paul Jules died as a young man I think in battle so we're not actually talking

00:04:01.920 about Paul Jules so Laura Olympia Marie Philippe Hortense and Marianne so to keep track the seven

00:04:10.980 Masernettes like we have two Lauras one Anna Marie one Mary Ann and one Marie and although

00:04:18.160 full disclosure Marie's full name was Anne Marie so it's a bit like the wives of Henry VIII in the

00:04:23.800 sense of like, you've got multiple Anne's and Catherine's, but they're all very different. And

00:04:28.440 once you get to know them, you'll remember who is who. We're gonna go one at a time. Oldest to

00:04:33.880 youngest is the order we're going to go in. So first up is the two Martinozzi sisters. They just

00:04:40.680 because of who the fathers were, I guess, like the two Martinozzi's were blonde, whereas the

00:04:45.540 Mancini's had brunette hair, almost all of them. And also the Martinozzi sisters were apparently

00:04:50.940 pliant, or they were, like, obedient, but I mean, compared to the Mancini's, like,

00:04:57.560 a lot of people would seem tame by comparison. Anyway, so the oldest of all the Mezzanets is 0.98

00:05:03.340 Anna Marie Martinozzi. So she and her younger sister, Laura, along with her cousins, other,

00:05:10.560 Laura, and Olympia were the first wave of Mezzanets to head to France. So kind of the oldest siblings 0.96

00:05:16.020 went first, and then the younger ones came after. And they headed over shortly after the death of

00:05:20.620 the Mancini sister's father. So Cardinal Mazarin had summoned them all over there so that basically

00:05:26.720 he could arrange advantageous marriages for them to sort of like make his legacy be stronger. And

00:05:32.040 I love that that's where this all started because he's... Cardinal Mazarin, side note, I have said,

00:05:37.380 I think in the last two episodes when I'm talking about the Patreon, that I will have or have done 0.97

00:05:41.960 so this asshole Cardinal Mazarin. And I'm here to say, no, I did not end up doing that. Mostly 0.92

00:05:47.380 because his story was just not interesting to me. And this whole podcast and the Patreon podcast,

00:05:53.780 it's all just about me having a good time. And if it's not a fun story for me to read about,

00:05:58.640 it's not going to be fun for you to listen to. So like, whatever. He was just kind of a guy

00:06:02.240 who was Italian and then went to France and then kind of rebranded himself as French,

00:06:06.420 became very powerful in the French royal court, and then was like, to cement my status,

00:06:12.240 cycle, arrange these advantageous marriages. Little could he have ever dreamed that his nieces

00:06:18.800 would all become super scandalous iconic legends. If they were all at the Martinot seats, maybe they 0.99

00:06:25.880 would have, but that's not what it was like. Anyway, so the girls came to France. And so

00:06:31.000 Cardinal Mazarin was kind of, well, he was their uncle, but kind of like a father figure. And then

00:06:37.900 And by this time, Louis XIV was the king.

00:06:40.040 He was a boy king because his father had died.

00:06:42.000 So his mother, Anne of Austria, was helped sort of oversee the Mezzarinettes as well

00:06:47.080 because Anne of Austria and Colonel Mezzarin were work colleagues.

00:06:50.620 So she was sort of like a stepmother type figure to them.

00:06:53.500 And they were just kind of like training them. 0.94

00:06:54.980 Like, here's how you etiquette.

00:06:56.560 Here's how you speak French, I assume. 0.98

00:06:58.600 And they just kind of waited for the girls to age up to be old enough to get married. 1.00

00:07:02.740 In fact, Queen Anne personally took care of the girls' education. 0.57

00:07:05.900 Yeah, so the two mothers of, like, there's Laura Margarita and there's Geronima are the two 0.98

00:07:14.780 Mazarinet moms. So Geronima, just kind of like, whatever. She's just like, this is cool,

00:07:20.880 whatever. But Laura Margarita was more ambitious for her daughters. Anyway, so Anna Marie is the 1.00

00:07:28.760 Mazarinet we're talking about. So when I said they were waiting for them to be old enough to

00:07:32.080 be married. I mean, 16. So she was married at age 16 to Armand de Bourbon, the Prince of Conti.

00:07:38.420 She and her husband had two sons, Louis Armand and François Louis. Her husband died two years

00:07:45.440 after the birth of François Louis. So she was like a hot young widow. She acted, okay,

00:07:53.060 as the godmother by proxy to Louis the 14th son, Louis. I'm not even going to count how many people

00:07:58.780 in the story called Louis. So the issue is that,

00:08:02.080 What I mean by godmother by proxy, and this took me a minute to figure out for myself.

00:08:05.420 So Louis XIV had a son called Louis.

00:08:07.940 Presumably, that would be Louis XV.

00:08:10.060 So the actual godmother was Henrietta Maria of France, but she was in England being busy

00:08:16.840 being married to Charles I, and she was the mother of hot Charles II.

00:08:22.140 So in her absence, Anna Marie was the godmother by proxy.

00:08:26.400 So she just did godmother stuff like while Henrietta Maria wasn't there.

00:08:31.060 Anna Marie, we don't know a lot about her.

00:08:33.240 She died age about 35 in Paris.

00:08:37.580 So for all of them, I'm going to let you know who their kids were

00:08:39.560 and if anything interesting happened there.

00:08:41.320 So her son, Louis, did not have children.

00:08:43.980 He died age 24, and his title passed to her second son, François Louis,

00:08:47.600 who became François Louis de Bourbon, Prince of Conti,

00:08:50.800 who was nicknamed Le Grand Conti.

00:08:53.660 And he was a famous, sexy person who had many lovers

00:08:56.220 and was a famous libertine.

00:08:57.600 and in a story that again i'm not going in this rabbit hole but apparently he and his wife marie

00:09:02.440 therese de bourbon were named monarchs of poland at one point so this guy le grand conti had

00:09:09.480 multiple affairs with people of various genders most notably with louise francois de bourbon the

00:09:15.980 wife of louis the third prince of conde oh my god i can't even french history anyway lots of affairs

00:09:23.400 various people, various genders. But apparently from this affair, he maybe fathered a person

00:09:30.240 called Marie-Anne de Bourbon. So I love that the scandalous genes went like directly straight to

00:09:36.880 him. Mazarinet's the next generation. So Anne-Marie's descendants via Le Grand Conti include

00:09:43.720 Louis-Philippe I, king of the French, the present-day pretenders to the throne of France

00:09:48.480 and Italy, and the kings of Spain and Belgium. So the other Martinozzi sister was Laura. So that

00:09:56.180 was also their mother's name, but this is also her name. And there is going to also be other

00:10:00.020 Laura, but we'll get to her later. So Laura Martinozzi, also part of the first wave of

00:10:05.180 Masarinets to take on France. She was also married off age 16, literally on her 16th birthday to 0.65

00:10:10.900 Alfonso d'Este, the Duke of Modena. Now you might recognize the name Modena for reasons that I will

00:10:17.940 explain in 30 seconds. So it was a wedding by proxy. So I guess he wasn't, her husband wasn't

00:10:24.920 actually there, but they were just like, she's 16, let's just seal this deal, even though the

00:10:28.200 groom is literally not here. So these two had three children, two of whom survived infancy,

00:10:32.980 one of whom was Mary of Modena, who became the teenage second wife of James II of England,

00:10:39.600 who you may remember from the story of Hortense. So Laura's husband died seven years after their

00:10:45.140 wedding. And so she was also a hot young widow, which is also just like, Colonel Mazarin was like,

00:10:51.600 let's get these advantageous marriages. And the marriages are like so short lasting. Anyway,

00:10:56.360 so after her husband died, Laura became regent of Modena, which is an area in modern day Italy,

00:11:01.660 while her son was a little baby. So she was a regent. Her son is Francesco d'Este, the Duke

00:11:07.600 of Modena. And then when he got old enough, she discontinued her regency, but also he fell under

00:11:13.040 the influence of his half-brother Cesare, who I guess was no good. And seeing this was happening,

00:11:18.900 Laura moved back to Rome to hang out with her mother, Laura Margarita. Her son Francesco had

00:11:24.120 no children. And we talked about her daughter, Mary of Medina, in the Hortense episodes. But to

00:11:29.380 recap, she wanted to join a convent, but instead she was married off to James II, who was old and

00:11:35.100 cranky, who was king of England for, I want to say, three years before James was overthrown by

00:11:41.680 his adult daughter, Mary, and her husband, William, aka William and Mary. And so Mare of Medina,

00:11:47.880 along with James, just peaced out of there, went back to France, and she had a very nice time

00:11:52.120 hanging out with all of her French relatives. Where Mary was popular among the courtiers,

00:11:57.380 James was considered a bore. Clearly, all the charisma went to Charles in that set of two

00:12:02.480 brothers. So after James of England, the husband of Mare of Medina, died, their son, James Francis

00:12:10.380 Edward became, quote, king of, quote, England at age 13. So like the actual king or monarch of

00:12:17.120 England, I'm not sure who was exactly, but it was William and Mary, then Mary died, then it was just

00:12:20.420 William, then it was Anne, like, this whole strand, like the stewards were not, that's not happening

00:12:26.800 vis-a-vis being king. Anyway, so that's the Jacobites, you might know from the TV show

00:12:32.220 Outlander. So they're named after James, this James. So Mary represented him. So it's kind of

00:12:39.660 like a regency scenario, although he was like not actually the king, if anything.

00:12:44.480 And then Mary of Medina stayed in France, her daughter died of smallpox, and then Mary died

00:12:50.700 of breast cancer in 1718. Via the children of Mary of Medina, Laura Martinozzi was an ancestor

00:12:58.160 of all the Bonnie Prince Charlie descendants. So that whole situation came from her side of things.

00:13:03.980 So moving on to the Mancinis, as per the book Love and Louis XIV by Antonia Frazier, I'll just

00:13:14.400 read a little quote here to get you ready because the Mathernets are here and it's amazing. Quote,

00:13:20.580 with their intelligence and their Roman looks, the Mancinis were very far from being the 1.00

00:13:25.120 contemporary ideal, at least in theory. It's not so much that they were dark, although it was 1.00

00:13:29.520 female fairness, which was constantly praised as representing perfection. It was more the 0.87

00:13:33.460 Mancini's general disdain for conventions. Bear in mind, this was an era, this is me talking,

00:13:39.040 the quote is done. This was an era where it was once written by a woman, modesty should be the

00:13:44.840 lot of women. Your sex obliges you to obedience. Suffer much before you complain about it. And 1.00

00:13:50.260 the Mancini's were kind of like, no thanks. That is not how we're going to live our lives. So 1.00

00:13:56.540 the oldest Mancini is Other Laura. So when she moved to France, like they all rebranded with 0.91

00:14:03.700 French names when she moved to France. So Other Laura became Laure Victoire when she moved to

00:14:09.800 France. But I'm still going to call her Other Laura because that's how I wrote her about her

00:14:13.740 in my notes. So yeah, there was a whole thing. Who's she going to marry? She was married to

00:14:19.640 Louis de Bourbon, the Duke of Merceur. And her husband was the son of the Duke of Vendôme,

00:14:25.000 who was himself an illegitimate son of Henry IV of France. So, you know, quite a prestigious

00:14:31.640 husband. So she was married at age 15, so I guess they're just like, you know, speeding things up

00:14:37.940 here. Because she had married a legitimized prince of the blood, other Laura was referred to as

00:14:43.280 serene highness. However, she had a lower rank than that of her cousin Anna Marie, the princess

00:14:49.020 of Conte, because she had married a legitimate prince, not a prince of the blood. And these two

00:14:53.380 seemed to get along. Laura and Louis, they were enamored of each other. They had three sons in

00:14:59.980 quick succession, the eldest of which became a famous commander in the wars of the Grand Alliance

00:15:04.320 in Spanish succession. Other Laura, however, so she married age 15, had three sons and then died

00:15:11.360 age 21 as a result of childbirth to her youngest child, Jules César, who is named after Cardinal

00:15:19.680 Messarin, whose name was Jules. So other Laura died two weeks after his birth, probably from

00:15:24.900 that thing we've talked about before in the podcast, where doctors didn't wash their hands

00:15:28.140 between touching corpses and delivering babies. And Jules César also died in infancy.

00:15:35.380 She was buried in Paris, and her husband retired from public life to become a cardinal. And because

00:15:40.500 he was a cardinal and she was dead, they're like, well, I guess neither of us can raise these

00:15:43.560 children. And so they ensured the children's upbringing to other Laura's youngest sister,

00:15:49.900 Marianne, who we'll get to later, but this is bananas because Marianne was actively

00:15:54.360 eight years old at this point. Then she became the guardian of these children who were effectively

00:16:01.280 her same age. One might say, were there not several other Masaronettes who were, you know, 1.00

00:16:07.880 at least 12? There were, but I don't know. They chose Marianne to be their guardian. Anyway,

00:16:12.600 and we'll talk about Marianne last because she's the youngest. Next, this is a juicy one.

00:16:19.240 Olympia Mancini, who renamed herself Olympe when she went to France. Okay, Olympe. She was a famous

00:16:27.440 charmer. She was very charismatic, very beautiful in a much more politically motivated, ambitious 0.99

00:16:34.700 way than Hortense or Marie. Like Olympe was like, if she was in Little Women, she would be Amy

00:16:41.640 march but i would say like crossed with like lydia bennett from pride and prejudice she is just like 1.00

00:16:46.620 out there making things happen she's ready to seize every opportunity that came her way like 0.99

00:16:51.720 she wasn't even content to wait for the cardinal and her mother to figure out her husband she was

00:16:56.000 just like here's what's happening i'm gonna marry the best person i'm gonna have the most amazing

00:16:59.820 life i am a limp i'm amazing so i love these descriptions that people write about the comparative

00:17:06.800 beauty of people from oldie times because like what does this even mean like we can see portraits

00:17:10.860 of her. They're all lovely. So Olympe was considered to be one of the less beautiful

00:17:17.280 of the Masarinettes. So like the others, like she had sort of a dark olive complexion, dark hair. 0.79

00:17:23.680 Her eyes were black and vivacious. Her figure was plump and rounded. She had that stylish

00:17:28.160 fubs sort of look. Okay. She had owl-like eyes and a long thin nose, which earned her the nickname 1.00

00:17:34.620 the snipe like okay so the mazernes just like blew into town and louis the 14th who is like

00:17:41.680 their same age like of course he was just like what is happening these these children are also

00:17:46.040 beautiful and in fact he was first connected with olymp before he and marie had their whole love

00:17:51.620 connection um there was rumors that they had maybe even slept together before he got together

00:17:56.300 with marie who i don't think he ever slept with and so they were great pals slash maybe lovers

00:18:01.380 They danced, gambled, and laughed together.

00:18:04.160 And even though he was the king and he was like at the,

00:18:06.740 just the beginning of his sort of absolute tyrannical reign of things,

00:18:10.900 like people weren't allowed to like talk back to him,

00:18:13.420 but he let Olymp do it because he just liked her so much and she was so charming.

00:18:17.380 She was married at the ripe old age of 19 to Prince Eugène Maurice of Savoy.

00:18:23.880 Savoy being a place where Hortense went for a while.

00:18:27.000 But before agreeing to this match,

00:18:28.800 Olymp demanded that she be allowed to remain at French court,

00:18:31.380 because she loved it there. And, in fact, she was appointed superintendent of the Queen's

00:18:37.800 household, which was the highest-ranking woman, lady-in-waiting job, to Louise, Louis XIV's wife.

00:18:45.840 So that gave her authority over and above all of the other ladies at court, with the exception of 0.86

00:18:50.120 the royal princesses. Even so, even though Lou was married, he continued to visit her apartments,

00:18:55.500 which became a social center for all the court. The Queen was jealous of how much attention he

00:19:00.800 paid to Olympe. This is like, you can tell she's Hortense's sister. Like, I think there's at least 0.56

00:19:05.240 one or two more Mazarinettes who just like start hosting salons. This is like what they do. 1.00

00:19:11.340 Olympe was, by nature, an intriguer, or as we say on this podcast, a messy bitch who lived for drama. 1.00

00:19:19.040 So she became involved in numerous intrigues at court. And I only know about the ones that they 1.00

00:19:23.920 mentioned in the books I looked at. I'm sure there's lots of other ones that nobody wrote down.

00:19:27.000 so she became really good friends with henrietta ann of england who was the sister of hot charles

00:19:37.160 ii and then she married louis the 14th's younger sibling who is prince philippe who like if you

00:19:46.060 listen to this deep dive episode then you know you know all the backstory of this podcast but

00:19:50.500 on this podcast we understand prince philippe to have been a trans woman and that's all discussed

00:19:57.680 in the episode where the chevalier day on episode where maya dean schools us all on this topic so

00:20:03.660 anyway so henrietta sister of charles ii wife of prince philippe and besties with olymp so but

00:20:13.580 olymp is just there just like causing drama she's like season one cheryl blossom from riverdale 0.98

00:20:19.380 she's just like out here like she's like blair waldorf she's just like let's make life interesting

00:20:24.560 and me the most interesting person so anne of austria louis the 14th's mother who had sort of

00:20:31.000 raised the mazarinet she had arranged her education etc was concerned about louis spending so much

00:20:36.700 time around beautiful women including olymp despite her like long nose or whatever what

00:20:42.860 happened next is that louis then moved on so he and olymp are like great pals like not just like

00:20:50.080 maybe lovers but also sort of like besties in the sense of like confidants but olymp became upset

00:20:55.200 when louis moved on to a woman called louise the story has both a louise and one million louis

00:21:02.360 so yeah olymp wanted to be the only person that louis had entire trust in like she had managed

00:21:08.380 she gained that. But Louise had also been working for a long time to become his mistress slash lover 0.95

00:21:14.860 and Olymp was not into that. And then we get into some of the intrigue examples. So Olymp and her

00:21:21.380 lover, the Marquis de Vard, arranged for an anonymous letter to be sent to the queen informing

00:21:26.440 her that Louise was Louise's new mistress. But the plan failed because the letter was never

00:21:32.520 delivered. There's so many, so many people just like living for the drama here. Louis became aware

00:21:39.320 of the letter, but he never knew, or he didn't know at this point who had written it or why,

00:21:43.320 and the queen never got the letter. But then, a few years later, like three years later,

00:21:48.580 Olympe had a falling out with her friend Henrietta of England after Henrietta had sent away Olympe's

00:21:56.280 lover for insulting her. And so Olympe, in revenge, told the king that she could show him letters

00:22:02.880 proving that Henrietta had been disloyal to him and that also the Louise's honor had been

00:22:08.840 compromised. So Louis went to Louisa and then Louise revealed it had been Olympe who wrote

00:22:16.480 the original letter. Louis was pissed. This is all so high school-ish, just like the passing of

00:22:21.820 letters. Anyway, so Olympe's lover, the Marquis de Vard, was imprisoned because he had been

00:22:27.300 involved in the letter writing scenario. And Olympe was, she was not like her job of mistress 0.88

00:22:33.360 of the bedchamber not taken away, but she was informed that she would never be Louis' confidant

00:22:37.760 anymore. Like he'd be polite to her because of her like standing, but they would never be besties

00:22:44.180 again. And in fact, by the end of that month, she and her husband had been made to feel so unwelcome

00:22:48.940 at Versailles that they left to go hang out in Champagne, apparently with a widow Clicquot,

00:22:54.520 I'm gonna guess. But then, one year later, Louis invited them back. He was over it. And he was

00:23:00.360 like, you know, I hope you're gonna be on your very good behavior. And she's like, you know,

00:23:03.400 I won't be. And she was not. So, for instance, in order to keep an eye on what was happening,

00:23:08.960 she arranged for her husband's serving men to seduce Louise's chambermaids

00:23:13.000 to provide her with spy info on what the king was up to.

00:23:17.920 Louis found out about this, not impressed.

00:23:20.760 She also was heard to make mocking remarks about Madame de Montespan,

00:23:24.820 and so who is Louis' lover, right?

00:23:28.440 Oh, I'm not up on my French intrigue, although I'm much better than I used to be.

00:23:35.860 She was, yeah, Madame de Montespan, very famously lover of Louis XIV,

00:23:42.780 Anyway, Olympe insulted her. Louis was mad about it. And so she was banned from accompanying the

00:23:49.000 court on its trip to northern France. There are also rumors that even though, so her lover,

00:23:54.120 the Marquis, had been freed from prison, but he was instructed he was never allowed to

00:23:59.420 reenter Paris. But then there's rumors that maybe she had had a super secret sexy meeting with him

00:24:03.560 near Paris. So she was just burning bridges, like not like Hortense in like a self-sabotaging way. 0.85

00:24:10.480 This is just in like a living for drama, relentlessly way.

00:24:15.140 And now we're just going to take a break for a word from our sponsors.

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00:27:14.980 it now. And we're back. So yeah, and then one day her husband died. Died of just, you know, fever

00:27:24.780 and various symptoms. Although he did apparently proclaim as he was dying that he had been poisoned

00:27:30.120 so people are like poisoned could he have been poisoned by olymp and so it's like she had such

00:27:36.800 a bad reputation people were just kind of like assumed she had killed him even though she probably

00:27:41.480 didn't because she had kind of no reason to like he was cool with her taking lovers um he was cool

00:27:47.220 with her like lives her drama personality his death didn't really she's already independently

00:27:51.820 wealthy so it's not like she needed to kill him to inherit money so like why would she have to i

00:27:56.360 don't know. Maybe she did. I don't know. Anyway, this is all happening at around the same time as 0.99

00:28:01.460 the affair of the poisons. The whole thing with la voisin from last year's Halloween super special.

00:28:08.120 And so I believe la voisin herself had mentioned Olymp's name. So a warrant went out for her to

00:28:14.600 come in for questioning slash arrest about maybe having poisoned her husband. But because Louis,

00:28:20.880 okay the motives are kind of shadowy here for some reason louis um gave her a heads up that

00:28:30.120 this was gonna happen because i don't know if he just thought she's so rich and powerful it would 0.91

00:28:34.520 be embarrassing for him if she was publicly arrested so anyway she was just like hanging

00:28:39.040 out overseeing a gambling session in her paris salon when her brother-in-law marianne's brother

00:28:45.960 or sorry marianne's husband came by and was just like guess what louis gonna probably arrest you

00:28:51.180 you might want to flee and so she did um she grabbed a great quantity of jewels and cash and

00:28:56.620 lived with her best friend the marquise de louis and just like headed out of town but the evidence

00:29:03.920 was not super strong that she had murdered her husband if she had stayed she probably like there's

00:29:10.560 a good chance it could have been acquitted but she ran so there's a question like did louis is this

00:29:15.360 like four-dimensional chest did he like tip her off to run because then she would just be out of

00:29:20.080 his hair and she could never return even though i don't know anyway because no the guy in charge

00:29:25.240 of this investigation had a grudge against olymp because years prior she had laughed at him when

00:29:30.860 he fell off of his horse while out hunting and also when he had suggested marrying one of his

00:29:35.820 children to one of her children she was just like no gross so like potentially this was just a

00:29:41.240 vendetta so because she left like she's never put on trial and so I guess she was never convicted

00:29:46.220 but she was just never allowed to return to France so what did she do she's another 0.82

00:29:52.340 Mancini sister just like hanging out around Europe being amazing first she went to Brussels

00:29:59.260 and at first like the regular people on the street didn't they thought she was a witch I 0.73

00:30:03.720 don't know if that's again because of her big owl eyes but didn't matter because the rich people

00:30:08.800 liked her and they welcomed her into their like aristocratic circles so the duchess of modena

00:30:13.520 and i double checked the dates and i'm pretty sure this is not the mazarinet duchess of modena i think

00:30:19.740 she's already dead remember she died super young so it was like the next duchess of medena but

00:30:23.200 anyway the duchess of medena liked her and so she settled in comfortably um olem took a new lover

00:30:28.440 the prince of parma and she just hung out there for a while she would write back to france every

00:30:34.280 now and then being like can i return to france and louis at this point i'm sure he's getting

00:30:38.100 letters from her, from Marie, from Hortense. It's just like, oh my God, these Masarinets,

00:30:42.220 just like, what are they up to in Europe? He refused to let her return. So she eventually

00:30:48.180 went to Madrid where she became friends with the young queen, Marie Louise, who was a niece,

00:30:55.440 Louis XIV. So she was the queen there because she'd married the king there. She was not the queen,

00:31:01.260 like she didn't inherit it. Anyway, she's like a young teenage girl. When Louis XIV heard about

00:31:06.480 this he was appalled at the thought of his naive young niece being under the influence of olymp

00:31:11.140 which is you know like fair like if anyone if any young people i knew were hanging out with an olymp

00:31:17.520 type character i'd just be like oh you know be careful so he got his spies to keep eyes on the

00:31:22.440 situation just to see to make sure marie louise did okay anyway and this might have been her

00:31:30.440 intriguing she's intrigued too hard or could have been she's framed from this i don't know 0.91

00:31:33.860 Anyway, so what she did was, actually, she didn't do anything.

00:31:38.180 Maybe she was intriguing too hard, and that made people frame her for something else,

00:31:41.780 but the reason why she was ordered to leave Spanish court was because the king of Spain

00:31:47.840 had some issues with premature ejaculation, which apparently prevented him from consummating

00:31:54.860 his marriage, and he claimed that this was happening because Olympe had bewitched him.

00:32:00.900 So, like, fine.

00:32:03.860 And Olymp was like, really? Really? So she got her friend, the Imperial Ambassador, to delay things so she didn't have to leave right away. She did eventually leave, and that was kind of the reason.

00:32:14.240 Note, before she left, the queen, the young teenage girl, she died after having some symptoms that kind of looked a bit like the symptoms of being poisoned. And there were rumors that maybe Olymp was behind it because they knew she was on the run for maybe having poisoned people.

00:32:28.940 oh i didn't mention also that guy who fell off the horse he um was overseeing the investigation

00:32:34.300 where they're like oh we probably can't convict her for the murder of her husband so they just

00:32:38.300 started adding more charges like maybe she tried to poison louise or maybe she like murdered some

00:32:43.620 of her servants so she's got a bit of a reputation as like maybe a poisoner but i mean it seems like

00:32:48.900 clear that she did not poison this young woman and given the sense of like she was never accused

00:32:55.740 of it um and she's allowed to stay in spain a bit longer which if if anyone there really thought she

00:33:02.280 had poisoned her that probably wouldn't have happened anyways then she went back to brussels 0.99

00:33:05.700 where she lived out the rest of her life enjoying an eminent position in brussels society hosting a

00:33:11.380 salon where she had many visitors from her versailles era lots of french friends she died

00:33:16.860 in Brussels, age 70. So her children were Louis Thomas, the Count of Soissons, Philippe, the

00:33:26.000 Abbot of Soissons, Louis-Jules, the Cavaliere of Savoy, Emmanuel Filibert, the Count of Durie,

00:33:33.880 Prince Eugène of Savoy, who is a famous general, Princess Marie-Jeanne of Savoy, Mademoiselle de

00:33:40.400 Soissons, Princess Louise Filibert of Savoy, Mademoiselle de Dreux, and Princess Françoise

00:33:46.480 of Savoy. So those are all the children who she left behind when she ran off from her gambling

00:33:52.420 gun that time. So that's Olympe. I mean, I did as deep a dive as I could, being a person who

00:34:00.480 doesn't speak French. But yeah, there's some good stories to tell you. Not enough for a whole

00:34:06.460 vulgar history episode but certainly she's up there like she's got a scheminess of 10 for sure 1.00

00:34:11.700 next in age order is marie mancini who we've talked about quite a bit in the hortense episodes 1.00

00:34:17.100 we'll just kind of quickly go over what you know and then let you know a few other details so she

00:34:22.060 was born um and her given name was anna maria but they changed name to just marie when she went to

00:34:28.160 france apparently her mother heronima was told by an astrologer when marie was born that marie

00:34:35.640 would cause trouble, which is part of why Hieronymus demanded when she was dying that

00:34:39.640 Cardinal Mazarin should shut Marie up in a convent and keep her there. And remember,

00:34:43.780 she and her mother had this very fructious relationship, which is part of why Marie

00:34:50.420 had this disordered eating, which made her really slim. And in this fubs era, that's not what people

00:34:55.680 want it to look like. She was also the darkest of all the girls, I guess. Darkest hair, most tan 1.00

00:35:01.720 skin. She also had a very

00:35:03.660 wide mouth. So just like she didn't 0.70

00:35:05.720 look like what the

00:35:07.660 common accepted 0.77

00:35:09.100 feminine beauty was of the era 1.00

00:35:11.680 which is part of why her mother also didn't like her. 0.95

00:35:14.300 And then, so

00:35:15.300 Louis XIV was her first great love but they could not

00:35:17.700 be together. After Louis was married

00:35:19.740 to Maria Teresa of Spain, Marie

00:35:21.560 was exiled so as not to tempt him

00:35:23.520 and she married the Italian prince Lorenzo

00:35:25.900 Onofrio Colonna

00:35:27.260 who remarked after their wedding night he was surprised

00:35:29.640 to find her still a virgin.

00:35:31.720 because he had not expected to find innocence among the loves of kings.

00:35:35.440 So, like, the fact that people knew that she and Louis had had kind of a thing,

00:35:39.500 she just sort of, he assumed that they would have had sex, but they had not.

00:35:43.080 They had three sons, Filippo, Marcantonio, and Carlo, each born a year apart.

00:35:49.420 After the birth of the third son, relations between Marie and her husband got really shitty,

00:35:54.260 we talked about that in the other episodes, so eventually fearing, rightfully,

00:35:58.340 and her husband was going to murder her, she left Rome accompanied by Hortense. Then there was the

00:36:03.540 thing where Hortense published her memoir and then someone published a false memoir claiming to be

00:36:09.420 that of Marie and so she got revenge by writing her own actual memoir, making her and Hortense

00:36:15.960 some of the earliest women in France to publish their own memoirs. So she traveled around, did not

00:36:21.940 return to Italy until her husband's death in 1689, and then spent a further decade traveling Europe.

00:36:27.300 there's lots and lots and lots of details about her in the um the book the dual memoir about them

00:36:33.640 the king's mistresses by elizabeth goldsmith so if you want to know more about marie that's where

00:36:38.660 you can get all the details about this era of her life traveling around it was just a lot of like

00:36:43.600 trying to get louis to intercede louis not interceding her being in a convent her leaving

00:36:48.540 and then going being another convent anyway eventually she went to madrid where she

00:36:54.760 or olympic bit i don't think at the same time she went to madrid and then kept traveling again 1.00

00:36:59.980 without much money um like hortense because of the whole like marriage dissolution she was

00:37:04.860 dependent on old noble friends she did not see louis again and died just a couple of months

00:37:12.320 before he did in 1715 apparently at the time that she died her hair was nearly all white

00:37:19.920 you can see on her face that she'd been through a lot which she had she was 76 when she died so

00:37:28.240 a lot of years spent traveling understandable her face looked older given that she aged like a

00:37:36.560 normal human person white hair so she's buried in pisa at the church of the santo sepulcro

00:37:42.520 or tanz mancini comes next chronologically and please listen to the previous five hours of

00:37:48.880 podcasts to learn more about her. We have to stand. So next H-Wise is Philippe, Honorary

00:37:56.280 Mezzanet, Philippe Mancini. I don't have a lot of info on Philippe, although there is a rumor

00:38:05.360 that potentially Philippe Mancini had been pimped out by his uncle to deflower Prince Philippe.

00:38:16.220 Let's see. So Cardinal Mazarin re-established the Musketeers, the Muscuteurs du Roi, a military unit that are the same thing that they write about, that was written about by Alexandre Dumas in the story, The Three Musketeers.

00:38:32.000 philippe was awarded the position of leader as a captain lieutenant

00:38:36.260 but then after cardinal mazarin died jurisdiction of the musketeers passed to louis the 14th

00:38:42.960 who replaced philippe with d'artagnan from the three musketeers book but philippe i'm sure didn't

00:38:51.340 mind he was not interested in war and rarely accompanied the musketeers in battle so he as a

00:38:57.400 young man frequented the salon of paul scarron and scarron's young wife became friends with

00:39:03.760 marie mangini so everyone's just friends philippe is just like in these same social circles

00:39:08.440 um in 1660 philippe was nominated to be duke de nevers by his uncle with a prerogative to strike

00:39:15.700 coins but the parliament refused to register this new creation in 1676 i guess mazarin tried that

00:39:22.800 again and when mazarin died oh sorry i'm not sure what happened in 1676 because mazarin was already

00:39:28.740 dead by then anyway philippe was never officially given that title when mazarin died um philippe

00:39:34.440 inherited just a little bit of the colossal wealth because like if mazarin had liked him better he

00:39:39.400 would have given him more but mazarin was like a horrible person who just played everybody against

00:39:44.900 everybody else and he liked hortense the best and that's who got most of the stuff including the

00:39:48.440 house. But as we know, Philippe helped Hortense escape her abusive husband by providing her with

00:39:55.620 horses and an escort to help her travel to Rome, where she took refuge with their sister Marie.

00:40:00.540 He was a knight of the order of the Holy Spirit, lived to be 66 years old. His wife was Diane

00:40:06.560 Gabrielle de Ma de Tiang, who is a niece of Madame de Montespan, Louis XIV's mistress,

00:40:12.960 and they had six children, including Diane Gabrielle Victoire Mancini, Philippe-Jules

00:40:18.840 Francois Mancini, Diane Adelaide Philippe Mancini, and Jacques Hippolyte Mancini, who

00:40:28.080 married Anne-Louise de Noël. Their only child was Marie-Diane Zephyrin, who married Louis-Éricle

00:40:36.000 de Polignac. And I'm telling you all these names because these ones are ancestors of Albert II

00:40:41.300 of Monaco through the grandson, Jules-Francois Armand de Polignac. And then finally, the final

00:40:47.620 mesornet is Marianne, who has big youngest child energy. Like not only had her parents

00:40:53.960 given out of names or fucks when she was born, like the fact that two sisters are called Anne 0.95

00:41:00.360 Marie and Mary Anne, but she was, you know, she would not be ignored. Youngest child energy,

00:41:06.560 very strong here so she came in the second wave of mazarinet because she was so much younger like

00:41:11.860 the oldest i think was 15 and she was like six when this whole mazarinet thing all started and

00:41:19.180 so the last mazarinet as she's referred to here so she became the spoiled darling of the french

00:41:24.640 court and of her uncle who's greatly amused by the literary six-year-old's verses and funny jokes 0.99

00:41:30.900 She was considered a wit and a beauty.

00:41:33.880 So Karnemazor really, like, Hortense was his favorite,

00:41:37.540 but he referred to Marie Marianne as the wittiest and most vivacious of the sisters.

00:41:43.720 So according to a contemporary, she was said to be quite divine, having infinite appeal.

00:41:47.460 She was self-possessed, excelled at dancing and plays.

00:41:50.960 She also loved poetry.

00:41:53.340 So it's like, if you ever read The Best Christmas Pageant Ever,

00:41:56.240 which is a children's book from, I think, the 70s,

00:41:58.500 it's about this family called the Herdmans and they're all just like kind of these cool badass

00:42:05.140 kids and it's like the younger you get just kind of like the more cool they get and it's because

00:42:11.680 the older one teaches the younger one and then teaches the younger one so by the time you get

00:42:14.760 to the littlest one who in that book is called Gladys she's like the most awesome of all of

00:42:19.420 them so I think Marianne like first of all she just like learned from the example of all the

00:42:24.740 other Mazarinettes. But secondly, I think also by this point, all the adult figures in all of

00:42:30.020 their lives had kind of stopped micromanaging. And also she was the youngest when Cardinal Mazarin

00:42:35.400 died. So she had less time to be abused by him. And then of course, when she was eight years old,

00:42:42.000 she became the guardian of other Laura's three sons who were her same age. So she was like

00:42:48.740 their playmate slash guardian okay both men i guess she did a good job of raising these children

00:42:55.400 who are her same age they both became soldiers um one of them eventually gained fame as a general

00:43:00.420 so she was 13 when carl mazarin died the night before he died the famous field marshal turin

00:43:07.360 came to his bedside to ask for marianne's hand in the name of his nephew godefoy maurice de la

00:43:12.780 Tour d'Auvergne, the Duke de Bouillon.

00:43:15.760 And about a year later,

00:43:17.680 so I guess Colonel Mazarin gave that permission as he died,

00:43:21.660 because a year later,

00:43:24.200 so when she was 14, I guess, 14 or 15,

00:43:27.140 those two got married in the presence of King Louis XIV. 1.00

00:43:31.580 So all the Mazarinettes all married off. 0.97

00:43:33.740 Like, Mazarin's whole plan has happened. 0.95

00:43:35.360 And they all got, like, on paper,

00:43:38.020 at least wealthy and influential husbands,

00:43:40.280 even if at least two of them were horrible.

00:43:42.780 her husband so Godefroy good I don't know how you'd say that in a French accent was apparently

00:43:49.780 a good soldier but a bad courtier and an even worse literary man so Marianne 15 years old like

00:43:56.100 remember she loves courtly things she loves dancing she has poetry she loves literature

00:43:59.380 so she was really left on her own to pursue her political and literary interests such as

00:44:04.460 establishing a small salon at her residence and yeah so she became the patron of lots of writers

00:44:11.460 literary people like again you can see like she's not exactly the same trajectory as Hortense but

00:44:16.580 you can see the similarity in um these siblings like if you put Marianne and Olymp together you

00:44:22.100 get kind of like Hortense but even though they fundamentally had nothing in common she and her

00:44:27.420 husband had a harmonious marriage he loved her and was tolerant of her love affairs at one point

00:44:33.880 her family wanted her to be incarcerated in a convent but he refused to do that because he

00:44:38.940 just like loved her so much. On one occasion, she herself took refuge in a convent out of fear for

00:44:44.780 his family after a particularly public love affair. Godfrey himself asked her to leave the convent and

00:44:49.880 return to him. So he's like, okay, husband. She also, Marianne, got caught up with Lavoisin

00:44:56.260 and the affair of the poisons. So what happened is that Adam Lesage, who was like Lavoisin's kind

00:45:04.480 arrival testified that marianne had come to see him and the way that he did his like fortune

00:45:10.060 telling is people would write things on a piece of paper then he would like burn that piece of

00:45:13.440 paper and that would make the thing that they wrote happen and so he said with marianne he'd

00:45:17.860 gotten her to write her desires on a piece of paper um and she had written down i want you to 0.94

00:45:22.360 kill my husband so i can marry my lover vendome who would actually come with her her lover and 0.92

00:45:30.600 at a massage, claimed she'd come to him several times afterwards wanting to know if he could do 1.00

00:45:34.780 it or not. Everything I've just said, it's just like, this doesn't sound like a husband that she

00:45:38.940 would really want to get rid of, really. Anyway, so she was summoned to come in and testify in the

00:45:42.920 case. Unlike her sister, she did not flee the country. But instead, she went full fredigant

00:45:47.860 on this in the most spectacular way. So everybody was really excited because she was a famous

00:45:52.740 mesor in it. And I think after going through all these stories, you understand why. It's not just

00:45:56.980 like Hortense was so notorious and famous, but like Marie also was like a limp, just like what

00:46:03.080 everyone is up to. It's like, oh my God, another Mezarinet scandal. Everyone's so excited.

00:46:07.540 So people are just like, but I wonder what she did. Like no one knew what she was being accused

00:46:10.840 of doing. There was a rumor that she maybe poisoned her servants who knew too much about 0.87

00:46:14.800 her infidelities, but then they were like, but everyone knows about her infidelities. So like, 0.99

00:46:18.000 why would she kill them? Anyway, so she arrived to testify with her husband on one arm and her

00:46:23.700 lover Vendôme on the other arm, like just big, fredigant energy. Remember when she walked in

00:46:28.520 with the 300 witnesses? Similar effect here. She was just like, oh, you think I wanted to

00:46:34.180 murder my husband so I could be with my lover? Guess what? I'm here with my husband and my lover,

00:46:38.820 who both love and support me. So she had like supporters waiting outside.

00:46:43.800 I just pictured it sort of like the Free Britney movement type, just like a really positive crowd

00:46:48.200 outside. It was just like, you're our queen, we love you. She entered the chambers and then took

00:46:52.800 off her gloves to show off her hands. I didn't mention this, but the one sister had the long

00:46:57.040 nose, the one sister has the big eyes. And her big thing was she had really little hands and feet, 1.00

00:47:02.800 which were like, I guess along with a fubs physique was really what you wanted in a woman. 1.00

00:47:08.040 So she just took off her gloves to be like, look at these hands to show off, you know, her great 1.00

00:47:13.560 feature. When they began asking her questions, she responded in a laughing and disdainful manner.

00:47:19.800 and I think she also made a statement at the beginning being like let the record show

00:47:22.840 I'm not here because like the magistrate called me in I'm just here because the king

00:47:26.820 asked me personally so like bring it on so what her version of events was she said yes she had

00:47:33.820 seen Lesage and she explained like she and Vendome went there together and they had just written just

00:47:39.340 kind of like joke questions down for fun and Lesage seemed to burn them but a few days later

00:47:43.800 he still had the papers and gave the note back to her and she's like oh my god how did you do that

00:47:47.500 how's that magic trick work so she got him to perform the trick again so she wrote a piece of

00:47:52.100 paper and then he burned it but he never gave it back this time so she sent a servant girl to get

00:47:56.520 the paper back but this anyway he wouldn't get the paper back so that's her version of like the like

00:48:02.320 badgering him to try and get stuff anyway she told us out of the story and then when she finished she

00:48:06.860 was like messieurs is that all you have to say to me and then on being told she could leave she said 1.00

00:48:12.140 truly, I would never have believed the clever man could ask such stupid things. She went outside 1.00

00:48:17.960 to rapturous applause for her fans, who were all just adoring the way that she refused to be

00:48:22.800 intimidated, like they love a Masarinet moment. Imagine, you know, with all the stuff, like

00:48:27.800 getting to be there for a Masarinet epic moment. And she's really proud of how she had done.

00:48:32.560 She started recounting like all the witty things she remembers saying, because remember, even as

00:48:36.680 a child, she was known for telling like witty jokes. She claimed that one of the things she

00:48:41.680 had said was when someone asked, have you ever seen the devil? She claimed to have replied,

00:48:45.160 yes, I've seen him. And he looked just like you. Epic. And honestly, her husband Godefroy,

00:48:51.000 just like, I love this relationship for her. He was so proud of how she'd done. He asked the king

00:48:56.060 if he could write a, like a transcript of the whole hearing so he could distribute it around

00:49:00.500 Europe so everyone would know how funny she was, but the king refused. So like, why would you ever

00:49:05.220 murder this husband. So she was not convicted, but she was ordered to leave Paris, which she did,

00:49:12.300 but in kind of like a Caroline of Brunswick move, like she turned her departure into like a

00:49:16.340 triumphant parade with like all the fans cheering as she left. She was able to return to Paris in

00:49:22.300 the royal court a few years later. And like, just because of like how fearless she had been,

00:49:28.680 her funny jokes like she was admired with by the other aristocrats but the king had just like

00:49:35.520 turned against her like louis by this point like you know that he's not doing well and he's just

00:49:39.180 like anti mazarinettes when they're clearly the coolest people he ever met so in 1685 he banished

00:49:45.960 her to the provinces once more i didn't write down what for but i'm sure just like probably

00:49:49.780 saying a joke and think how sensitive this guy is so she was banished to the provinces for five

00:49:54.500 years. Finally, he was allowed to return permanently, but she was just like, I choose to not hang out

00:50:01.460 at royal court. Instead, she presided over her salon, like the queen that she was, visited by

00:50:07.300 poets and artists, just like having a nice time. So she lived to be 65 years old, and her children

00:50:13.100 were Louis-Charles de la Tour d'Alvergne, Marie-Elisabeth de la Tour d'Alvergne, Emmanuel

00:50:20.640 Théodose de La Tour d'Alvergne, Eugène Maurice de La Tour d'Alvergne,

00:50:26.400 Frédéric Jules de La Tour d'Alvergne, and Louise Julie de La Tour d'Alvergne.

00:50:31.960 So I don't have any interesting them being the ancestors of anyone, but just, you know, 0.99

00:50:36.760 the Masarinettes, the next generation Masarinettes got it done. So yeah, that's just my, I don't know, 0.97

00:50:43.840 it's not quite a super special, it's kind of like an epilogue to the Hortense saga.

00:50:46.600 just keeping with the Masaronettes. Fucking love them. I don't, I don't know, this won't be 0.97

00:50:52.300 official, but I'm going to score them as a group, which I would say, and unofficially as well, I

00:50:59.260 would put Godefoy in the Lady Jane Seymour Memorial Award for Outstanding Supporting

00:51:03.240 Performance, because like, so unofficially, I'm going to put him in here, because I didn't do

00:51:08.200 technically a whole Marianne episode, but like, he was cool. So, Scandaliciousness of the Masaronettes 1.00

00:51:13.860 as a group 10 scheminess of the measure nets as a group like olymp is a 10 marianne a 7 some of the 0.98

00:51:21.860 others a 3 i think it's gonna have i don't know olymp was just like real i don't know i'm gonna

00:51:28.320 give it a 6 overall the significance of the measure nets to society of the time pretty major

00:51:34.440 like marie with writing the book like for including or tons like everything she did 1.00

00:51:39.300 all of them having the salons just like showing that like you can be a tits out woman and just

00:51:44.480 like do your own thing and it's amazing I don't know the significance I'm gonna say a six and

00:51:51.800 the sexism bonus um they were all married off as young teenagers for I don't know but they like

00:51:59.080 did cool stuff too this is I'm just gonna give them a standard five for sexism

00:52:03.260 so the mesronettes as a group what is this um 27 i'm gonna put that on my list but i'm gonna

00:52:12.480 put it in brackets because it's kind of like you know because this is a super special not a real

00:52:19.280 episode so thank you all for listening next week we're gonna be talking about someone new

00:52:25.200 but thank you for sitting with me these last six episodes i would have thought that

00:52:32.720 Sailor Moon hairdo would lead us down this dramatic road we've all been down so thank

00:52:37.840 y'all for listening um if you have feedback or comments you can contact me at vulgarhistory.com

00:52:43.200 or send me a dm on instagram at vulgar history pod where i also post pictures and things polls

00:52:48.740 and the stories etc i'm also on twitter at vulgar history you can support me in the podcast at

00:52:54.400 patreon.com slash ann foster writer where we have the bonus episodes oh i told you i wasn't doing

00:53:00.060 Colonel Mezarin, but that's because I'm going to be doing Louis XIV. So that's maybe by the time

00:53:05.900 this comes out, that will be on there for you to listen to. So there's also Louis XIV. And keeping

00:53:11.700 with the French theme, I also think by the time this comes out, the next episode of Vulgar Peace

00:53:16.500 Theater will be there where myself, Alison Epstein, Lana Wood Johnson are talking about

00:53:20.540 the Hugh Jackman Les Miserables movie. Just really getting all my French stuff out. I hope you could

00:53:28.020 tell how much I enjoy pronouncing all these French names. And oh yeah, if you go to the

00:53:34.380 vulgarhistory.store, like literally vulgarhistory.store, we've got new merch there from the

00:53:41.820 whole thing. We've got the Hortense's Salon, t-shirts, shot glasses, various things. And then

00:53:47.200 also the Mezrenettes merch, which just says like Les Mezrenettes. There's sort of like an astrological

00:53:53.840 inspired feminine silhouette on it because i don't know marie wrote a book about astrology

00:53:59.120 their father was a necromancer like it's just like i like to represent them as our nets

00:54:03.300 such icons i'm so glad i learned about them thank you all for listening to vulgar history 0.99

00:54:08.640 and i'll talk to you next week so keep your pants on and your tits out 0.97

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International, part 23： Hortense Mancini's Sisters (pt 6⧸6)

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