00:00:50.340The previous Marie Antoinette episodes, just me talking.
00:00:52.640But this one, I have a special guest, and it will become apparent why soon.
00:00:56.720Special guest, can you introduce yourself?
00:00:58.360Hi, it's me, special guest Alison Epstein, who shows up on episodes where Anne has a wild story she wants to talk about.
00:01:05.060I was going to say, so Alison Epstein, for people, you know, there's probably some people who just started listening just with Marie Antoinette.
00:01:10.060They may not even know what sorts of episodes you come on.
00:07:14.500She really liked like furniture with cranks and knobs.
00:07:17.540She would like a sit stand station. I think like she just like mechanical furniture, a doodad and a what's it. I love that for her.0.81
00:07:26.020Yeah. So she, one of the things that was moved was her favorite mechanical dressing table.
00:07:31.020What, what about it was mechanical? Did it play music?
00:07:36.400I think there's just kind of like bits that were like, Oh, you know, like there's a lid and then the lid opens and then a thing pops out out of there.
00:07:42.440and it's like oh here's your toiletries and here's it's kind of like the oldie times not
00:07:47.900steampunk but just like mechanical furniture version of like sheriff's closet from clueless
00:07:52.440is kind of what i imagine just some i'm hearing you and i know you're probably right but i'm
00:07:56.800picturing the opera singing wardrobe from beauty and the beast and you can't stop me that's what
00:08:00.680this is that's perfect it's perfect it's a yeah it's a dressing table slash opera singer anyway
00:08:05.720so she got her favorite mechanical dressing table you know what keep this in mind her interest in
00:08:09.540doodads and what's-its does come up with the main thrust of our episode. So much foreshadowing. I
00:08:15.080just don't want people to know what's coming who don't know what's coming. Anyway, other new
00:08:18.780furniture was commissioned because like the Royal family was moved to Paris, but at this point,
00:08:22.760it's not like, let's get rid of the Royals. Like they were living very similarly to how they're
00:08:28.060living in Versailles. They still had like their income. They had their allowance. Like they were
00:08:31.320able to buy new stuff. So new furniture was commissioned. There's some characters who we
00:08:35.840talked about in the last episode so to recap for people who heard and for allison who didn't hear
00:08:39.780that so leonard leo was her hairdresser monsieur leonard i love a hairdresser who's plot relevant
00:08:47.920that's excellent oh he does a lot in this episode actually so leonard was he started in theater
00:08:54.280hair and costuming and marie internet went to the theater and she's like you know who i want to do
00:08:58.360my hair the guy who's doing lady gaga's outfits hire me get me chapel rowan stylist and then she
00:09:35.260And what's notable about them also in the context of everything that's unprecedented about Marie Antoinette and her life is that usually when somebody is like the royal family's hairdresser, the royal family's dressmaker, they were not allowed to have other clients.
00:09:47.240Like all you do is, but Marie Antoinette was like, no, keep your regular clients because that'll keep me on trend.
00:09:52.400If you're only serving me, then you won't know the latest cool things happening.
00:09:56.040And so Rose and Leo were like making bang off of this whole situation because it's like they had their shop.
00:10:01.780It's like, Oh, do you want to come by and like get your hair done by the woman who like does
00:10:05.000Kate Middleton's blowouts? Like, yeah, people are going to go to that hairdresser. So again,0.92
00:10:08.980like Tuileries is like Versailles is such a thing. We've talked in depth on this podcast before about
00:10:14.220it, but you know, there was like whatever, every day, 75 people in Marie Antoinette's room helping
00:10:18.860her get dressed in Tuileries. There's like Rose and Leo, which is like substantially less people,
00:10:23.380but still to you and me, it's still pretty glamorous situation. And because of the absence
00:10:28.720of a lot of the other people because marie and johnette's besties princess lambal and the duchess
00:10:34.520of polignac had fled basically so in terms of who's her confidant like it's leo like her hairdresser
00:10:40.640becomes her bestie and they become even more close but also he's not seen it suspiciously
00:10:45.780when he's spending time with her because he's the hairdresser so yeah and in terms of just like
00:10:50.460things kind of like the this is an example extreme extreme example of kind of when things are it's
00:10:58.160hard for people to change their habits. It's hard for people to change with, like a guy just came
00:11:02.200by my house today. He's like, Hey, do you want to change your internet provider? And I was just
00:11:05.260like, yeah, this is going to save me money, but just like, I can't. That takes too much.
00:15:47.400So anyway, so one of them had this ring of Oliver Cromwell's hair and that kind of made Marie Antoinette freak out because of the connotations of like a king being beheaded.
00:15:54.180And that just kind of got her spiraling.
00:15:55.720And then she just had to leave the reception.
00:16:58.060Anyway, so he was really interested in English history and he had always been really taken by the saga of Charles I versus Cromwell and how Charles I behaved.
00:17:05.380Bear that in mind, listeners, for this and future episodes.
00:17:08.620So, yeah, everything kind of went back.
00:17:11.160Things kind of continued, I guess, in this kind of weird status quo, which to them would
00:17:15.000be like, this is so different than usual.
00:17:17.500Instead of 150 people watching me have dinner, there's only 75, where to me, it's just like
00:17:22.620considering how different it's going to get, this is like not that different.
01:02:54.180It's near the border of France and one of the other countries.
01:02:57.480Um, another guy who's involved in planning is the Baron de Britois, who was, he had fled with the Duchess of Polignac, Marie Antoinette's friend, but he was now kind of discreetly representing Marie Antoinette's best interests at the, in the Holy Roman empire.
01:03:14.080And then also another conspirator friendly face, Mercy, the ambassador who was Marie Antoinette's like kind of father figure who is now in the Hague and he like is loyal to her and wants to help.
01:03:26.260So the group was like, we're going to basically do what Mirabeau said, but we're not going to explain it like Mirabeau did.
01:03:33.060So what they want to do is have the royal family retreat to a safe location where the king would, again, summon his loyal countrymen and raise an army.
01:03:41.620We'll worry about that when we get there.
01:11:32.060After two hours of vain attempts and useless efforts by Lafayette,
01:11:37.280barry ordered the carriage to be turned around oh i think vain attempts and useless efforts by
01:11:45.560lafayette could have been his memoir for the four-year period he's in france right now
01:11:49.780yeah but also took two hours for barry to be like oh wow maybe maybe i should turn around
01:11:56.000maybe staying here isn't a good idea so i mean for him two hours seems pretty quick
01:12:02.460Yeah, true. Maybe Lafayette was like, please, please, I want to go to bed.
01:12:10.080Anyway, so, but this whole situation like made Barry clue into the fact that like, oh, maybe the royal family should escape. And then he signed off on the party best plan after this situation. So part of the plan, this is, God, I don't even know how long this episode is going to be. Enjoy everybody because we're just getting to really the meat, the meat of it all.
01:12:29.360so party best plan so part of the plan is that they're going to travel with their his like fancy
01:12:38.740king robes their crowns their fancy outfits all of her glam and her jewels because they're going
01:12:45.500to leave in disguise as i'll tell you who in a minute because they all have fake disguisey names
01:12:49.940yes but what they're going to do is when they arrive in triumph amongst their adoring subjects
01:12:55.900so Barry can give these motivational speeches,
01:12:57.720they will emerge from the party bus in full drag.
01:13:01.500Listeners cannot see me nodding violently
01:13:03.800for the dramatic costume change in the party bus,
01:22:07.920So, yeah, so in my notes I say, Bouye and Axel von Fursten, experienced soldiers and travelers, suggested going on a direct route.
01:22:18.460People with more than one brain cell suggested going on a direct route.
01:22:23.200One of Barry's other concerns besides not wanting to leave France and come back into France was he was worried that if they went to Rims, one of three cities he's ever been to,
01:22:32.360he that's where his coronation was 16 years ago and he was like people might recognize me it's
01:22:36.860like dude like people you're the king of France you're on the currency you're on the money if
01:22:43.340like look up to an image search he is like a wildly distinctive looking person he's gonna
01:22:49.360be traveling in a giant bus full of crowds who are they gonna think he is yeah yeah so you might
01:22:57.060think like well Barry what if when you get to REMS what if you just stay in the party bus and
01:23:00.580They're like, lean your head out like a dog on the highway, but we're going to learn he's,
01:23:04.700he's not able to not do that. So anyway, so part of the route that they had to do because of
01:23:11.720Barry's strongly held beliefs included this weird unpaved road into a town called Varenne.
01:23:20.280I'm just saying that significantly wiggling my eyebrows. Anyway. So then Barry was also worried
01:23:27.740that understandably there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen in this plan and parts of the plan are
01:23:33.300good and parts of the plan are not good. So I don't want to like cast aspersions on every single
01:23:36.920thing that Barry said. He wanted to have small parties of soldiers along the road just in case
01:23:42.840they're needed to like protect and guard the party bus, which I think makes sense to someone
01:23:47.500who's been like almost assassinated constantly for like two years. But also that makes the whole
01:23:53.060thing, even less subtle and more possible that someone's going to notice soldiers lurking.
01:24:01.060Sorry. Crucial to the enterprise was who was going to go where, who got a seat in the party
01:24:05.480bus, which soldiers were going to be where. So in a key role, now this was exciting to me when I was
01:24:11.340watching the Marie Antoinette movie, which again, we're going to discuss on a later episode. I think
01:24:15.680it's like next week or two weeks or something on Patreon. Stay tuned. Anyway, in the Sofia Coppola
01:24:20.780movie, there's a guy in the movie called Choazel. I was looking at the character list to be like,
01:24:25.000which of my friends are in this movie? Which characters? I'm like, Choazel? But this is not
01:24:29.740the one from the movie. Choazel in the movie is like Louis the 15th, like right-hand man helper
01:24:34.440guy. This guy is Choazel, his son. So the Duke de Choazel was chosen. He is the Colonel of the
01:24:42.080Royal Dragoons. And I don't know what dragoons are, but I love that word. I love a Royal Dragoon.
01:24:47.440absolutely they always have good outfits too they have like feathers in their hat they usually have0.98
01:24:51.580like epaulettes and hats it's good so this chauzel was a nepo baby basically he was related perhaps
01:24:59.800not the sun he was related in some way to chauzel from the movie ran out by sofia coppola he was
01:25:04.540young enthusiast enthusiastic he had proven loyalty to the king because he he was rich but
01:25:09.840stayed in france instead of fleeing so like that bodes well he was i i want to emphasize rich um
01:39:28.840And then he, he wrote off into the night.
01:39:31.600I think he's going, we're going to see him again.
01:39:33.360excellent first. He's going ahead to meet them in Brussels or something. So the party bus continued
01:39:38.920on. They only, because they had like a hot plate, they had the onboard toilets. Like they didn't
01:39:43.360really have to stop just at some points they did so the children could get fresh air and also had
01:39:47.780to switch and change horses at every, every various place, but that was all arranged for
01:39:51.320them. Everything's going amazing. At one stop, Barry got out of the carriage and made an effort
01:39:56.460to engage with his subjects like hello hello other french peasants don't you like the king
01:40:05.140isn't he nice and knows about locks what he said actually no what i said is he was talking to the
01:40:13.760passers-by about crops of course he was lovely weather we're having very good for the soybeans
01:40:20.840i am a peasant the coachman intervened imploring him to stay hidden
01:40:26.760sire get in the bus the completely inconspicuous party camper van and barry was surprised and said
01:40:36.660i do not think that is necessary any longer my journey seems to me now to be safe from all
01:40:41.260accidents like he really thought as soon as he's outside of paris everybody loves them and it's
01:40:45.040fine that's not true so at around 2 a.m so we've been on the road for like a half hour
01:40:49.560The horses stumbled and fell, requiring the broken harness to be mended, which is just like a thing that happens when you're traveling in a carriage in olden times.
01:40:57.440So at this point, they were two hours behind schedule because they left late because of like Lafayette came for the bedtime party and the bedtime party went long and they couldn't leave until after that.
01:41:06.820So here's what I wrote. They were behind schedule, but in fairness, this was olden times. So come on.
01:41:12.240One would think you would have some wiggle room.
01:41:15.460No one's like tracking the GPS. You're supposed to be here in five minutes.
01:41:18.620and yet someone is psychologically tracked on gps and that is schwazel so schwazel is further along
01:41:25.780the route and he lost his mind he had been waiting for two hours with his dragoons honestly i would
01:41:32.060be panicking too i was like they got caught they're dead i'm dead everyone's dead yeah yeah
01:41:37.480so he'd been waiting for two hours with his dragoons like as one of the like groups of
01:41:41.080soldiers along the road to like protect them but he was like it's been two hours clearly the mission
01:41:46.660has been aborted they've been caught they didn't get away so he was supposed to wait for marie
01:41:50.420internet's courier to ride up to be like hey here's how it's going but he just decided to
01:41:55.180call it a day he's just like he was what did it say he he proned to chaos this guy it's like this
01:42:01.640is not the guy you have at like meeting point a no this is the guy you give a four-hour window
01:42:08.320on either side just like yeah so he was just waiting and he's like you know what it's been
01:42:13.700two hours. They're clearly not coming and peace out. So he had another like assistant or like
01:42:19.360companion there with him. And so the companion was like, okay. And so the companion went ahead
01:42:23.240to tell the soldiers on the next step on the route, like, Hey, guess what? The plan's not
01:42:26.560happening. They didn't escape. No. At this point, interestingly, also with Shazelle
01:42:32.780was Leo, the hairdresser. So Leo, the hairdresser was like, okay, plans off. I guess I'll just go
01:42:38.540to Brussels with Marie Antoinette's casket of jewels and let them know like she didn't make
01:42:44.040it out, but here's her jewels, I guess. But he, Leo, again, like I'm sure there's so many
01:42:49.460hairdressers who would be great in this situation. Leo, not one of them because he handed over the
01:42:54.580treasure chest of jewels to a soldier. The soldier was found the next day murdered and empty-ended.
01:42:59.080Yeah. Surprise, buddy. That's the most robbable thing you could do.
01:43:05.700Yeah. So this is what, so at this point, the whole plan has fallen apart, but the party bus doesn't know that yet. They're just going through being like, Barry's like, hello, fellow farmers.
01:43:19.260Have you heard about my, the Russian countess I'm driving with? And your whimsically named children?
01:43:25.960so they reached a city called chantry which is about 90 miles east of paris so at this point
01:43:34.460it's 2 30 in the afternoon so it's been like 12 hours of like party bus going so some people say
01:43:40.200like oh my god how could they have stopped the party bus to like go to stop and have a picnic
01:43:45.240or whatever it's like well it's a 12 hour trip and like do you want to be in a party bus for 12
01:43:50.740hours with like two little kids and like port-a-potties on board like that was the least
01:43:56.260of their problems frankly as to why this plan is not a good plan i would propose the pro why this
01:44:01.480plan is not a good plan is that they refuse to leave france or that they didn't leave a year
01:44:06.360and a half ago and it would have been so easy when they could have just left on horses there's a lot
01:44:11.340of things wrong with this plan stopping to take a picnic lunch is not one of those things maybe
01:44:15.600it's one of those things but it's not the number one of those things it's it's long if we've got a
01:44:21.560list of 200 things that's like towards the bottom yeah anyway so it's 2 30 afternoon the exact time
01:44:27.060that Axel von Fursten had told Bouyer that they would be about 35 miles away from there where
01:44:32.220Bouyer and his soldiers were waiting to escort them so anyway Barry again got out of the carriage
01:44:36.000to mingle with the townspeople and was recognized it wasn't necessarily by somebody looking at a
01:44:41.720coin in their hand, looking at his face, looking at the coin in his face, but like, it was basically
01:44:46.160that. But to his credit, um, rather than being, you know, it wasn't like an angry mob attacking
01:44:53.640him. Like they would have in Paris. Instead, people were like, Oh my God, it's the King.
01:44:57.060This is so great. Like, isn't this cool? The King's in our town. This is exciting.
01:45:00.780He's like, I told you they love me. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, so he's feeling confident in them.
01:45:06.180And so at this point he got back into the party bus and he said to Marie Antoinette,
01:45:10.280Monsieur de Lafayette at this moment does not know what to do with himself.
01:57:44.460all these people hissing at him from the windows i'm imagining it's like sinners when the vampires
01:57:51.200are all around the tavern i'm picturing it's like sinners crossed with like the people from
01:57:56.220the opening song of beauty and the beast just oh no it's like the gaston mob it's it's the
01:58:00.980gaston mob it is the gaston mob someone needs six eggs and they're pissed they go to that too
01:58:07.380monsieur sauce is the grocer there goes monsieur sauce with his tray like always
01:58:13.080put him in that song honestly so early in the morning everyone's just right
01:58:19.040no he really is a funny girl choisele it's right there
01:58:22.520so um lafayette's men arrive early in the morning um two of them with orders demanding the return
01:58:30.040of the king to paris because remember sauce has just been waiting to be like i i'm gonna wait for
01:58:34.040instructions i'm a grocer and this is above my pay grade i said i could be temporary mayor for
01:58:39.940one night and this happened he i want him to get some kind of award this season i don't care what
01:58:48.400kind of award it is sauce is just like yeah i love him if you'd had sauce instead of chazelle0.99
01:58:56.440i think everything would have gone differently because sauce can handle his shit he can't he's0.99
01:59:00.380I'm a grocer. However, now I am a jailer of the king and I will do exactly what I have to do.0.99
01:59:06.340Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So Lafayette's men arrive and they're like, OK, we're here to I understand the king of France is here return the king to Paris.
01:59:16.400And Barry is just like, this is the most upset I've ever seen him be. He's like, there is no longer a king of France.
01:59:24.560Oh, it took him this point to realize that.
01:59:26.980and this is so they had this document being like these are the orders saying that we have to return0.91
01:59:31.220you marie internet took the orders threw them on the ground stomped on them i assume and she said
01:59:36.880what audacity what cruelty subjects having the temerity to pretend to give orders to their king0.98
01:59:41.780and the daughter of the caesars who remember her family is descended from the caesars like her mom
01:59:48.000like the habs i think anyway she says i will not allow my children to be defiled by such a
01:59:53.240preposterous document yes beautiful which is a beautiful quote a beautiful quote but the mob
02:00:01.200they move from hissing to chanting apparently um they're saying we will drag them by the feet to
02:00:09.480the carriage okay which just sounds like yeah so their last hope they're just kind of killing time
02:00:15.840just waiting like maybe bouye is gonna come here and find us because bouye was waiting god knows
02:00:20.600wherever he was and he eventually word had gone to him and so he tried to get varenne but he was
02:00:25.500so far away like he was just too far away to get there barry was trying to stall but eventually
02:00:30.600they were forced back into the party bus to go back to paris chazelle um at this point he helped
02:00:36.020barry back into the party bus but i don't know just like helping him step up or whatever here
02:00:40.700you go sir chazelle um like he oh i'll tell you i have like after i have like a breakfast club
02:00:47.300thing at the end of like, what happened to everybody? Where are they now?
02:01:53.640Everyone was just like covered in sweat.
02:01:54.900And then the dirt came up and then sticks to the sweat.
02:01:57.300So everyone's just like, they look like in Mad Max.
02:01:59.880They weren't allowed to close the party bus windows.
02:02:02.780So their clothes, which they've been wearing now for like three days or something like the clothes, just imagine the gross, the sweat, the dirt, horrific.
02:02:10.120So they had gotten, it took them 22 hours initially to get from Paris to Varenne.
02:02:15.400And it took them four days to make their return job.
02:02:20.520Because, yeah, again, people are walking next to them.
02:02:23.860People armed with scythes, muskets, pikes, pitchforks, and sabers.
02:02:28.560And as they passed various cities, people were lined up on the roads,
02:06:50.920So there were various servants on the party bus, in and around the party bus.
02:06:55.360And so those people were taken to prison, mostly for their own protection, because the mob likes to rip people apart.
02:07:02.100The mob is just like a high level of mobbing.
02:07:05.180Marie Antoinette had just enough strength left when they returned to Tilleries to write a single letter before she just collapsed in grief and exhaustion.
02:11:40.800Republic then he was captured confined at Dunkirk escaped set sail for India was shipwrecked on the
02:11:48.380french coast and condemned to death by the decree of the french directory but then napoleon bonaparte
02:11:54.840allowed him to return to france in 1801 not for a single second did i know what your next sentence
02:12:00.500was gonna be well it's like who would have thought that the fight to fran was like the least
02:12:04.500interesting thing that happened to this man yeah when you said shipwreck i was like oh0.86
02:12:09.260fuck i don't know well when i said india i was like wait what anyway so he was allowed to turn0.91
02:12:16.420France by Napoleon. Um, and then when Napoleon fell in 1815, well, up until Napoleon's empire0.98
02:12:24.140ended in 1815, Choiselle just kind of, we don't know what he was doing. He was minding his own
02:12:28.820business, which I think is a good choice for a chaotic person like this. Anyway, eventually.
02:12:33.680So then there was the restoration of the monarchy. He was called to the new house of peers.
02:12:38.460And so he became whatever the French version of a Lord is. Then you and I have done various
02:12:44.740episodes about like all the weird government things that happened in france where it's like
02:12:48.460nonsense of the 1820s yeah anyway during the revolution of 1830 chauzel was nominated a
02:12:55.480member of the provisional government um he afterwards received the post of aide-de-camp
02:13:00.740to the king and governor of the louvre palace okay he died in paris eight years later this guy
02:13:07.680lived a life yeah she was all which you know i appreciate an interesting twisty life story but
02:13:15.340i also am mad that he fucked everything up and he's like the one person that didn't get guillotine0.82
02:13:19.800the one person like him and the ants i would have been okay with them being torn up by them0.96
02:13:28.060imagine the ants getting guillotines and should be like you haven't polished the guillotine enough
02:13:32.500how dare you cut my hair you haven't been introduced at Versailles1.00
02:13:38.960oh god those bitches they lived a long life too anyway um Allison I just have some end of episode1.00
02:13:46.820notes to say but first can you tell everybody about where they can find your excellent sub1.00
02:13:52.400stack and also your books you've written for people who don't know these things about you
02:13:55.540For sure. You can find my passion project, which is my Substack. I write in every other week newsletter called Dirtbags Through the Ages, which is a profile of a person from history who sucks and who I think is fun, told with a lot of swears and a lot of 90s pop culture references.
02:14:16.720it's a fun time. And a lot of puns. I cannot help myself. So you can find that, um, on Substack and
02:14:23.800then you can find all of my other stuff at my website, which is alisonepstein.com. Um, I also
02:14:30.380write books and you can find those books there. Um, my latest novel is called Fagin' the Thief
02:14:35.960and it came out in February. And if you haven't picked it up, um, I would love it if you thought
02:14:41.200about it. I want to mention too, that your book Fagin' the Thief has an excellent audio book with
02:14:44.880a really good narrator voice. Yes. Excellent for listening. If somehow you've listened to two hours
02:14:50.820and 20 minutes of me and Anne and are like, I would like to listen to more things. That's what
02:14:54.620I was thinking. People who've listened to all of this are probably like people who like listening.
02:14:58.100And I think your book is a good listen. It's a great listen. I wanted to mention, so also Alison
02:15:03.300and I and our other friend, Lana Wood Johnson, we do a Patreon special podcast called Vulgar Peace
02:15:08.280Theater, where we talk about costume dramas. We recently covered The Manus of King George and
02:15:13.780coming up soon we i'll have news about when you can listen to our discussion of sofia coppola's
02:15:18.440marie antoinette movie which features i just want to remind you because we've been through a lot in
02:15:22.960the last two plus hours it does not feature this choisele but it features his older relative who
02:15:29.540was like the finance minister dicking lou the 15th or something at first i was like choisele
02:15:33.420is in the movie that guy not that choisele axel von furssen is in the movie though so great looking
02:15:39.980very hunky and i want to mention i also wrote a book it comes out in february it's called rebel
02:15:44.780of the regency the scandalous saga of carolina brunswick britain's uncrowned queen and you can
02:15:49.300get it pre-order you can pre-order it if you're in canada or the united states and at basically
02:15:54.680any bookstore you can get information about that at rebel of the regency.com and if you do pre-order
02:15:59.960it then there's a little form also at rebel of the regency.com you can fill out or if you send
02:16:04.480me like a picture of your receipt then you get some treats you can get a carolina brunswick paper
02:16:09.220doll. You can get a free membership to my sub stack and a free membership to my Patreon. And
02:16:14.540also if you want to read the book, you can add it on Goodreads and Storygraph. And if you're on
02:16:18.400Neck Ellie, you can request it from there. So just like, that's my book. It's coming. I'm excited
02:16:22.600about it. And I'm just trying to think, is there any, did, did Prinny come up at some point? It
02:16:28.940did. Cause Prinny was friends with Ryan Phillippe. Yeah. I am astonished at how many overlaps there
02:16:36.860are between the Carolina Brunswick book that I wrote, which takes place after the French
02:16:41.200revolution and these French revolution episodes, there's a lot of people who, you know, people
02:16:45.320just bopping back and forth, England and France.
02:16:47.620Which seems like a bad time to be doing that, but what do I know?