Vulgar History - Marie Antoinette (part three)： Reputation's Never Been Worse

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00:00:30.000 Hello, and welcome to Vulgar History, a feminist women's history comedy podcast.

00:00:41.800 My name is Anne Foster, and this is Marie Antoinette Month, which is what I'm calling

00:00:46.100 this series of podcasts about Marie Antoinette and her world. We're actually in the midst of

00:00:50.320 talking about Marie Antoinette herself. This is part three of a Marie Antoinette season.

00:00:54.660 She would call it part trois, or I guess maybe part drei, because German was her first language.

00:01:00.440 But this is part three.

00:01:01.400 So if you're tuning in, welcome.

00:01:03.300 But also, you'll get a lot more context if you listen to part one and two beforehand.

00:01:07.160 Although maybe you're just a big fan of the events of this episode, in which case, welcome

00:01:11.200 French Revolution aficionados, because that's what we're getting into today.

00:01:15.860 In part one, we were talking about Marie Antoinette, her childhood growing up in Vienna and what

00:01:19.760 that was all like, ending with her marrying the Dauphin of France.

00:01:24.660 Part two ends with that Dauphin becomes the king of France, making her the queen of France.

00:01:29.040 And, you know, she was living her Jojo Siwa early 20s life, just trying to discover who

00:01:35.100 she was and what kind of person she wanted to be and what kind of fashions she wanted

00:01:38.300 to wear.

00:01:39.140 And the fact that she was the queen of France during a time of massive economic crisis made

00:01:44.680 that not go great for her in terms of her personal, her PR, not great.

00:01:51.440 And this episode, we see what happens next.

00:01:53.180 So we ended last time with the affair of the diamond necklace situation, which also if you listened, so last Wednesday we had the episode of this podcast. And then on last Friday, I played a bonus episode, which was revisiting an older episode of the podcast about the affair of the diamond necklace, just getting more in depth about that whole thing.

00:02:12.200 So now we all know about the affair of the diamond necklace and how that affected Marie Antoinette's reputation.

00:02:19.300 She's really in her reputation era right now.

00:02:22.480 However, unlike Taylor Swift, for instance, she doesn't have an international fan base who are going to be there fighting for her to restore her.

00:02:31.500 If she went on a tour, Marie Antoinette, I don't know that it would be selling out arenas at this point.

00:02:37.680 So previously on, the affair of the necklace, much of which predicated on her wearing these very filmy sort of nightgown like nap dresses that people in the trial thought like, you know what, Marie Antoinette wore these fuck dresses and so therefore we think she wanted this necklace and therefore we think it was reasonable that the Cardinal of Rohan thought that that was really her meeting him in the garden that time. 0.84

00:03:01.360 This makes no sense to you if you didn't listen to part two of The Affair of the Dumb and Necklace, but just go with it. 0.95

00:03:06.040 Just go with it.

00:03:06.840 Like, it's just a previously ungly moment.

00:03:09.040 Also in the previous episode, Marie Antoinette and her husband, who is King Louis XVI, but on this podcast, we call him Barry,

00:03:15.180 because he was, before he was the Dauphin, before he was the King of France, he was the Duke de Barry.

00:03:20.340 And that's what people called him growing up, and it just suits him.

00:03:22.780 And there's a lot of Louys in this story, and that's what we're calling him.

00:03:25.420 They finally consummated their marriage after seven years after her brother did sort of an intervention and explained literally the birds and the bees to them.

00:03:34.940 Hater Nation, which is what we call everybody at Versailles who hated Marie Antoinette, hated Barry, thought that somebody else should be the king, like maybe them.

00:03:44.120 So Hater Nation includes Barry's two younger brothers, Provence and Artois, includes his cousin, Ryan Phillippe, whose real name is, his name is Philippe, the Duke of Orleans.

00:03:57.040 He, we call him Ryan Phillippe from Cruel Intentions because that's his name on this podcast.

00:04:01.620 So Ryan Phillippe is the cousin and he's kind of like, if Barry didn't have any sons and if his brothers didn't have any sons, then Ryan Phillippe would be who the next king is.

00:04:09.020 so he feels like he's so close. And he's just really cosplaying as like a poor working class 0.95

00:04:13.000 person to make everybody like him. His plan, his hope, Ryan Phillippe from Cruel Intentions, 0.98

00:04:18.580 is that the poor people of France will kind of rise up behind him and support him and he can

00:04:23.200 become like the king, but in sort of a parliamentary system like England has, where it's not ultimately

00:04:27.840 powerful tyrant king, but it's sort of like a constitutional monarchy and he would be the king

00:04:32.820 of that. So he's, he's working against Barry and the way that people are really ruining Barry's

00:04:37.840 whole kingship is by going after his wife, Marie Antoinette, who is such a notable public figure

00:04:44.900 that that's kind of the easiest way to attack him. You still see this today, really, with when

00:04:49.120 you're trying to attack somebody, it's just like, well, insult the wife, basically. And so other

00:04:53.900 notable members of Hater Nation include Barry's aunts, Adelaide, and I think the other one's

00:04:59.240 called Victoire. Maybe there's a third one also called Sophie, but they're just the aunts. They

00:05:03.200 are leading voices in Hater Nation because they just haven't liked Marie Antoinette this whole

00:05:07.300 time, everyone's against her. And these years of secretly leaking stories to the pamphlet

00:05:15.440 tabloid press is really paying off because as they saw with the affair of the diamond necklace,

00:05:21.040 Marie Antoinette's reputation is pretty terrible. And let's see what happens next. So actually,

00:05:25.500 speaking of the affair of the diamond necklace, I wanted to mention some hat details I didn't get

00:05:30.580 into before. Oh, actually, we're going to be talking about so many hats in this episode.

00:05:35.140 And this hat info comes from a very important book that I read that is called Queen of Fashion, What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution by Caroline Weber, which has so much interesting fashion-based information in it.

00:05:46.520 My other references for this episode and the other episodes are Marie Antoinette, The Journey by Antonia Frazier, In the Shadow of the Empress, The Defiant Lives of Maria Teresa, Mother of Marie Antoinette and Her Daughters by Nancy Goldstone, and also Marie Antoinette, Teen Queen to Guillotine by Melanie Burroughs, which is just coming out in October.

00:06:02.580 so I got an early copy of it and it's a great book and everybody should read that too if you

00:06:07.040 just want to read about our girl Marie Antoinette so there's so many amazing hats in this episode

00:06:13.680 if you want to play along at home maybe make a list of the hats and after the episode send me

00:06:19.140 message ranking which hats you like better than other hats I think that'll be a fun task for you

00:06:25.120 to do another task for you to do if you want to get bonus extra credit in podcast listening

00:06:29.000 is to, in the past episodes and this one too,

00:06:31.860 just write down how many people's names come up

00:06:33.800 who we've talked about previously

00:06:34.820 in this season of vulgar history,

00:06:36.840 because it's a lot.

00:06:37.800 So hat number one enters,

00:06:40.020 it has to do with the affair of the necklace.

00:06:42.040 So Marie Antoinette, one of her many enemies,

00:06:45.880 and it's like a one-sided enemy.

00:06:47.600 It's not like, this one, there's a bit of back and forth,

00:06:50.220 but a lot of the people who hated her,

00:06:51.800 a lot of her enemies,

00:06:52.900 she didn't even know they were her enemies.

00:06:54.500 She was just like vibing out, doing her thing,

00:06:57.140 wearing her outfits.

00:06:58.340 And these people, you know, just like anyone, any public figure, there's haters and you just don't know who they even are.

00:07:03.300 But then there's some people who she personally, actively did not like herself.

00:07:06.720 So this is Marie Antoinette's, a person she did not like for good reasons, was the Cardinal Rohan, who was a guy who he is a prince of the blood.

00:07:17.280 So he is one of those people who's descended from not the last king of France, but like the king of previous king of France's brother or whatever.

00:07:23.760 And he had been badmouthing her for ages.

00:07:25.500 So it's like very rich of him to be like, oh my God, Marie Antoinette's being so mean to me.

00:07:29.600 Where it's like he was actively spreading propaganda about her like so-called orgies

00:07:33.340 and whatever. Anyway, he got tangled up in this whole thing and he was sent to prison.

00:07:38.840 The prison he was sent to, the Bastille. Guess what? That's going to come up in this episode

00:07:42.800 in a major way later. So he was this rich guy who was in the Bastille. And because he was on

00:07:50.180 And the other side of Marie Antoinette, like the people, like the common people, like the

00:07:55.780 Ryan Phillippe people at his mall, the Palais Royale, they were all sympathetic to him.

00:08:00.180 They thought that he had been fooled and tricked by Marie Antoinette.

00:08:02.940 So people felt so badly for him during his prison era.

00:08:06.100 So people in the Bastille prison were understood to sleep on straw on the floor, which some

00:08:12.600 of them did and some of them didn't.

00:08:14.280 He did not.

00:08:15.380 But people thought that he was sleeping on the straw on the floor.

00:08:17.060 And so we're still in an era where there's not Instagram, there's not TikTok. What we have is

00:08:23.200 our heads and the things we put on our heads, which are sometimes hats and which are sometimes

00:08:28.220 poofs, which are just like big wigs with like stuff in them. If you think of Queen Charlotte

00:08:34.840 from Bridgerton, like that would be a poof. So we've got poofs, we've got hats. If you're making 1.00

00:08:40.300 your list of hats, I would say hats and poofs all go on one list altogether. So the poof hat squad, 1.00

00:08:46.120 We're like, this is what I was talking about.

00:08:48.320 Rohan, he's in prison.

00:08:49.320 We feel so bad for him.

00:08:50.320 So we're making a new hat and it's called in French, but I'll give you the translation.

00:08:53.600 The cardinal on the straw is the name of the hat.

00:08:56.300 So it's a hat in the shape of a cardinal's hat with red ribbons to show that he's a cardinal.

00:09:01.040 But it was like a cardinal's hat on top of a straw hat.

00:09:04.740 So to show like a cardinal on the straw.

00:09:07.680 So that's a hat.

00:09:08.720 So people are just like, that's how they show that they're up to date with what's happening

00:09:12.100 in the world and the news and what side of things they're on is vis-a-vis.

00:09:16.120 what shape their hat was in.

00:09:17.560 I know our girl, Rose Burton,

00:09:19.660 Marie Antoinette's personal dressmaker,

00:09:21.780 and Leo, Marie Antoinette's hair guy,

00:09:24.560 I'm sure they were getting it on the Cardinal on the Straw hat trend as well.

00:09:28.400 So everyone's just being like,

00:09:29.460 oh, it feels too bad for him, Cardinal on the Straw.

00:09:31.960 Little did they know, due to his rank of Prince of the Blood,

00:09:34.560 he actually got a private suite.

00:09:36.500 So the Bastille prison was like a castle

00:09:38.960 that just was being used as a prison.

00:09:41.060 And so he, in his private suite,

00:09:43.280 he was eating oysters and drank champagne

00:09:45.200 and had as many visitors as he wanted and like he was doing just fine thank you very much anyway 0.97

00:09:50.900 he was found innocent in his trial innocent by virtue of Marie Antoinette's fuck dresses and so 0.99

00:09:56.880 Marie Antoinette's husband Barry was just like this this is outrageous this guy like slandered 0.99

00:10:02.340 my wife this guy is like a shitty guy hate this guy like I've always hated this guy and so he's 0.98

00:10:07.920 just so mad at how he just like really fucked around with Marie Antoinette's reputation and 0.99

00:10:11.320 Barry, say what you will about him as King of France. He is a wife guy and he's there for 0.97

00:10:16.620 Marie Antoinette. So he used his King powers to exile Rohan from France. Cause it's like,

00:10:22.600 well, he's found guilty by the court, but who cares? You're exiled from France. And this made

00:10:28.160 him look, well, it's like, that's a nice wife guy thing to do for your girl. It did make the

00:10:33.660 everyday people of France who are like on the precipice of the French revolution every second

00:10:39.320 end of every day, think that Barry is kind of a tyrant and a despot, especially because they

00:10:44.760 all sided with Rohan in this. So ultimately, the whole thing, the whole affair made everybody

00:10:50.620 just hate Marie Antoinette so much, even more. They're like, oh, she's literally a whore 1.00

00:10:55.600 because she wears the fuck dresses, et cetera. I keep mentioning this, but that's a crucial part 1.00

00:11:00.120 of why people thought she was a whore. But they weren't keeping up. They were keeping up with 1.00

00:11:03.440 their hats, but they didn't know. Marie Antoinette, by the time of the trial of the affair of the 0.55

00:11:08.160 necklace. She had not even been wearing the fuck dresses for like a year. She had changed because 0.99

00:11:13.660 she was now 30 years old. And I remember when I turned 20 years old, a very long time ago,

00:11:20.920 and I had this whole crisis of like, oh my gosh, I'm no longer going to be a teenager. I'm going

00:11:25.320 to be 20. I need to change my style. I can't wear like my hair and Sailor Moon buns anymore. I just

00:11:30.240 remember that was a specific thing. I thought I was like, I can't have whimsical hairstyles.

00:11:34.460 I'm going to be an adult I'm now going to be 20 that is not true and I do still wear

00:11:39.200 Sailor Moon buns and I'm a lot older than that but Marie Antoinette was facing this thing that

00:11:43.960 a lot of people face when you turn like a new decade and she turned 30 and she was like no 1.00

00:11:48.120 more fuck dresses no more flower crowns like she's out of her Coachella vibe and she's into a new 0.98

00:11:53.880 girl boss mode so she's wearing more structured dresses she's like I'm a mom at this point I 0.99

00:11:59.740 think of three she has three kids two or three kids and so she's just like I'm in my mom era 1.00

00:12:04.120 She's going to wear fur. 1.00

00:12:05.320 She's going to wear velvet.

00:12:06.600 This is her new thing.

00:12:08.500 So she's just wearing more serious structured dresses. 1.00

00:12:11.860 And she also made all the women at Versailles aged 30 or older do the same. 1.00

00:12:16.760 Nobody can wear fuck dresses unless you're under age 30. 1.00

00:12:20.000 Or the color pink. 0.99

00:12:22.320 She was just like, we're all, this is our new vibe.

00:12:25.360 This is what's happening.

00:12:26.760 It's our new mature era.

00:12:28.680 So part of this change, she turned 30 and she was a mother.

00:12:32.220 And, you know, her whole 20s, we've talked about her Jojo Siwa era.

00:12:35.940 She didn't have a role. 0.71

00:12:38.100 She didn't know what she was supposed to even be doing. 1.00

00:12:40.300 She didn't have children.

00:12:41.380 The whole point of being a queen was to like have these children. 1.00

00:12:43.660 So she's just partying and have a nice time. 0.99

00:12:45.560 But now she has a role. 0.96

00:12:46.340 She's like, okay, I can just do this like motherly job that I was hired to do basically. 0.99

00:12:50.760 But also she'd had numerous pregnancies.

00:12:54.300 Her skin had begun less, less of the like peaches and cream complexion she had as a young girl.

00:12:59.540 and so she found that these lighter like macaron type colors now kind of washed her out she needed

00:13:04.500 to wear a bolder more jewel tone also her hair was thinning out so she'd had thinning hair issues her

00:13:11.700 whole life really going all the way back to when she was a teenager and they um realized that she

00:13:16.460 she pulled her hair back with this headband so she had like traction alopecia on her hairline

00:13:20.480 she had this five head so they really you know leo and her whole squad like really worked on 0.94

00:13:25.420 having like protective styles for her and whatever but they were still as much as she had like the 1.00

00:13:29.180 poofs were like wigs like her whole her own hair was being like back homed and like frizzed which 0.99

00:13:34.380 is kind of like a perm they used to do and then just like with the childbearing and everything

00:13:38.560 the stress of her life um her hair was thinning and so she had like bald patches and so leo her

00:13:45.940 hairstylist hairstyles to the stars invented a new hairstyle for her called le coiffeur d'enfant

00:13:52.100 the the child's haircuts i don't know if that means like the haircut of someone who's had child

00:13:57.060 or if it's kind of like a cute like page boy if it's like you know Audrey Hepburn with a shorter 0.50

00:14:01.140 hairstyle anyway so she had this new short hairstyle and all the the ladies copied it

00:14:05.320 as well which is the which is so interesting about the whole thing about like everybody 0.99

00:14:09.540 hated her like the regular common peasant people hated her because they thought she was this like 0.95

00:14:14.720 shopaholic asshole and the people in Versailles all hated her because they were jealous of her 0.97

00:14:20.140 and they didn't get what she was doing and yet everyone still looked to her for fashion they 0.97

00:14:26.200 well I still want to dress like her so it's interesting but and you know what like people

00:14:29.760 could dress like her and she's just like they can if they want but like her whole vibe now is just

00:14:33.740 like I'm a mom like all she wanted like back when she was a little kid she liked hanging out with

00:14:38.360 her younger siblings and then when she was a teenage princess in France she'd like hang out

00:14:42.660 with the children of her like um entourage like she always wanted to be a mom she's always a very

00:14:47.280 maternal person now she finally is and so she just wanted to shower her daughter and her son with 0.50

00:14:52.280 attention. Oh, and this is where she has, yeah, so she had two kids. Now she has three kids. This 0.87

00:14:57.200 is the birth of the third kid who is another son. His name was Louis Charles because every royal son

00:15:02.180 had to be called Louis first name, but his middle name was Charles. And so there is some discussion

00:15:07.620 in the various biographies that I read as well as from the haters at the time about who is the

00:15:12.020 father of Louis Charles because he was a lot cuter than the other kids, which doesn't mean he has a

00:15:16.740 different father, but it could mean he has a different father who's like a more handsome

00:15:20.020 person. So some people thought there had been rumors for ages now that she was having an affair

00:15:24.880 with her brother, her husband's brother, Artois, who's Barry's younger, charming, hotter brother.

00:15:31.320 And Artois' real name was Charles. So everyone's like, ooh, did she name the baby after the secret

00:15:35.460 baby daddy? It's like, if that was, if she had gotten knocked up by her husband's brother,

00:15:40.260 she wouldn't name the baby after that person. She has some sense. Other people thought that

00:15:46.260 maybe this baby, the timing of it, it might've been her new close friend, Axel von Fersen,

00:15:52.000 who is this Swedish dreamboat who came into town and just like got her in a way that nobody else

00:15:57.060 did in a really loyal and legitimate way. And he liked her and she liked him. And the various

00:16:02.160 biographies I read are just like, were they fucking? Were they not fucking? I don't know, 0.99

00:16:05.440 but they certainly loved each other a lot. And the timing of Louis Charles's birth could be dated to

00:16:10.620 when Axel von Fersen was around, but it could also be dated to a time when she was spending a lot of

00:16:15.800 time with Barry. So whoever the baby daddy is, she has a new son and she's so happy because all

00:16:20.700 she wanted was to be a mom. And now she has the heir and the spare. And also her daughter, Marie

00:16:24.400 Therese, and her new child, Charles, was her favorite. Well, she loved all of her kids, but

00:16:30.340 he was like the cutest one. And like a lot of people when they have a new baby, they like really

00:16:33.860 don't own the new baby, but he was so cute. And she called him her choux d'amour, which means her

00:16:38.220 little cabbage of love, which is a French thing people say. And so she was just hanging out with

00:16:42.880 her kids. At this point, the kid's governess is Gabrielle de Polignac, her bestie, the dark hair

00:16:49.020 one, the Elizabeth Taylor one, who we did a whole episode about. So Gabrielle de Polignac is the

00:16:53.320 governess. So she's just there with her bestie, with her kids in Petit Trianon, which was her

00:16:58.060 little like private enclave on the grounds of Versailles where they could just like hang out 0.95

00:17:02.640 and not have to be watched every second of every day by like the Perez Hiltons of their time. 0.76

00:17:07.480 Axel von Fursten hung out with them a lot there because he was welcome. And that's another one 1.00

00:17:12.560 of her close friends um barry her husband the king also came there because he wanted to flee

00:17:18.220 his responsibilities and he didn't like being king either it was a nice time for everybody in this

00:17:22.900 era at petite trianon so she started dressing this different way and it's not that she didn't

00:17:27.540 care about fashion anymore like she couldn't not like this was her role and this is also kind of

00:17:31.940 who she is like she's just interested in like whimsical interesting new things very in a very

00:17:37.380 artistic creative way like i could see a modern day marie antoinette type person having a nice

00:17:42.260 time going to like art school, you know, and just like having like really cool Halloween costumes.

00:17:46.860 Anyway, so for instance, around this time, in all the newspapers or the pamphlets or whatever,

00:17:51.580 whatever, shout out to Peru, the South American country. Allegedly at this time, people from Peru

00:17:57.460 let me know, did this happen? I feel like it didn't. But allegedly a mythical beast had been

00:18:02.680 found there called the Harpy, which was a two horned monster with bats wings and a human face

00:18:07.580 and hair. And Marie Antoinette was so into it. I feel this is kind of like the La Boo Boo of the 1.00

00:18:12.420 time. People were just kind of like really interested in this kind of like ugly yet cute

00:18:16.340 monster. And Marie Antoinette was all into it. She was the Lisa from Blackpink. As Lisa from 1.00

00:18:21.220 Blackpink is to La Boo Boo as Marie Antoinette was to the Peruvian Harpy. And so she got her 0.82

00:18:26.340 bestie Rose Bertin to create this like ribbon. So it's not like she's wearing like fully a La Boo Boo

00:18:32.580 Harpy on her. She doesn't have a little plush toy. There's not like a little face of a La Boo Boo

00:18:37.560 on her but she has um this ribbon print that was printed with this design that was like abstract 0.68

00:18:42.800 triangles and the abstract triangles were meant to represent the horns wings and fangs of the

00:18:49.160 peruvian harpy and soon hats and dresses were all adorned a la harpy with these with these ribbons

00:18:55.160 on them but while she was just having a nice time um with her new hobby of labubu ribbons and it's

00:19:02.440 like everything she does is being so under uh microscope and it's like everything she does like

00:19:07.840 the haters are just like how can we turn this to make this make her look terrible and so the harpy 0.98

00:19:12.180 was known to be gluttonous that was the thing it did it like flew around on its bat's wings just

00:19:16.500 like eating children or something like that and so pamphlets of course started circulating

00:19:21.060 illustrating marie entoinette as a harpy she's the harpy of france or whatever you know who

00:19:26.840 financed some of these just just as a reminder of just like everyone every size the worst her

00:19:31.820 brother-in-law, Provence, like Barry's younger, dirtbag brother, like the people closest to her

00:19:38.020 were the ones who were like, not just like financing and probably just like spilling the

00:19:43.400 details. It's like, Oh, you know, she likes this ribbon. It represents the harpy. Like,

00:19:46.140 what can we do with that? Like, how can we make her look terrible? It's just, 0.97

00:19:48.700 I've made so many comparisons in all these episodes, but it's really, it's giving like

00:19:51.740 Britney Spears this family, just like people who are closest to you and should be the ones who

00:19:57.660 are looking out for you or actually the ones betraying you. And she like Britney Spears didn't

00:20:01.280 realize the extent of it at this point. She's also one of the reasons that the pre-French 1.00

00:20:06.740 revolutionary peasant people, why it was kind of easy to make them hate her was because of how much 1.00

00:20:13.120 money she spent on stuff. And everybody in the royal family spent a lot of money on stuff. It 0.99

00:20:16.900 was not just her, but she was just this public face of it all. Anyway, so she was still spending

00:20:21.820 around the same amount of money on her clothes, which is like, yeah, maybe more than she should

00:20:27.160 have been spending, but everybody was spending more than they should have been spending. Barry

00:20:30.240 and his brothers were spending way too much money on like renovating their numerous houses.

00:20:34.800 Anyway, but this led to challenges. So her maid of honor was a woman called Comtesse Dosson. 0.77

00:20:40.240 So she was the one whose job, she's kind of like house manager. She's the one who's responsible

00:20:43.960 for paying off Marie Antoinette's many suppliers' bills. Marie Antoinette was always spending more 1.00

00:20:48.920 than like what her budget should have been. And it was up to the Comtesse Dosson to file a petition 0.58

00:20:54.220 for an increase in money like from, I don't know if it's from the government or if it's from

00:20:58.380 Barry himself. I think it's from the government. So the whole thing about like our tax dollars

00:21:02.620 are being spent on this. Anyway, so she had to pay off these bills. She didn't have enough money. 1.00

00:21:06.340 So she had to ask for like, can we have an increase in Marie Antoinette's allowance? 0.96

00:21:09.840 So July 1786, Comtesse Dusson put in this petition for an increase in money from Marie 0.93

00:21:14.500 Antoinette. Unfortunately, this was two weeks after the acquittal of Rohan in the affair of

00:21:18.800 the necklace. So it was bad timing in that it kind of seemed to confirm that Marie Antoinette

00:21:23.960 was such a shopaholic that she was spending all this money on clothes and things. And it just

00:21:29.620 made it even seem more obvious, like, yeah, she probably would have wanted that ugly ass necklace. 0.98

00:21:33.540 And at this time, we're going to get into a lot of talk about France's deficit in this episode, 0.98

00:21:42.200 and also everyone's favorite thing, tax laws. But I'll make it interesting. So France was in

00:21:49.060 gargantuan debt, not because of Marie Antoinette's outfits that she was buying because of various

00:21:56.180 wars that they had been fighting for the last quite a long period of time. So including France

00:22:01.580 had helped to fund the American, like the Patriot side of the American revolution. And so who had

00:22:07.000 won? And like, that was so great. You know, there's all the hats everybody got to celebrate

00:22:10.440 that. And so France hoped to like, now they could have a new trade partner, the United States of

00:22:14.440 America. Like maybe this will help. Like maybe the Americans are going to like trade with us

00:22:17.780 france and buy all of our like exports all of our like products that we export but this did not

00:22:22.040 happen because the americans were also poor and the amount the small amount of money that people

00:22:26.800 had in america they didn't want to spend them on like french silk and like luxury chocolate or

00:22:31.720 whatever and these were like the main exports of france in fact people in america although they

00:22:36.380 had divested from the british monarchy were still buying most of their supplies from england to get

00:22:41.080 just kind of more like basic you know like costco brand items and france is like trying to sell the

00:22:46.640 name brand stuff. So that didn't help. Meanwhile, in the previous episode, we talked about how

00:22:53.000 France had all these debts. So they had gotten money from other countries by pretending that

00:22:58.220 they weren't bankrupt and that they pretending like they could pay off these debts. And the

00:23:01.880 reason they'd gotten those loans was because previous financial minister of France, Jacques

00:23:06.940 Necker, the father of Jermaine de Stael, who I did the episode about, she loved him a lot.

00:23:12.440 We talked about that in that episode. So Jacques Necker did this creative accounting where he made it seem like France wasn't super in debt. So the other countries would give them a loan. But now those loans were being called in to be repaid and France couldn't pay them.

00:23:26.720 So the new French minister of finance was named Cologne.

00:23:31.180 And Cologne was also living an expensive, luxurious, kind of not really like reading the room type life.

00:23:39.420 So he, for instance, he lived this, he liked to have, he had a really tacky sense of style.

00:23:46.580 So all of his properties were just like gold plated or whatever.

00:23:49.580 Like he liked to have maximalist tendencies to really like showcase how rich he was at all times,

00:23:53.820 which didn't go over well with the peasants um he also chose to have a portrait of himself done by

00:23:59.860 painter elizabeth vijay le brun who we've talked about on this podcast she was known to be marie

00:24:05.060 antoinette's favorite painter um and he was rumored to actually be her lover and so just knowing that

00:24:10.740 he was painted by the same person who painted marie antoinette made people think like oh so

00:24:15.480 that must mean they're all friends that must mean he's friends with marie antoinette in fact

00:24:19.220 She did not like Cologne because he was a longtime friend of her enemy, Madame du Berry, the previous king, Golf King Louis XV's former mistress, Madame du Berry.

00:24:30.900 And Cologne was besties with Rohan, the Affair of the Necklace guy.

00:24:35.180 So Marie Antoinette didn't like him at all, but people thought that they were friends with each other.

00:24:38.920 Anyway, he was so well known for his ostentatious ways that Rose Bertin and all the other hat manufacturers started selling the Chapeau à la Cologne,

00:24:47.780 which was a hat that made fun of his ostentatious ways so it was a hat that just had like you know

00:24:53.140 so many accessories on it it's kind of like jewels and ribbons and lace and just like so much that it

00:24:57.960 was like over the top um including the harpy pattern to connect him to marie antoinette so

00:25:04.140 that's hat number two just for all the people tracking the hats in this episode i think or did

00:25:08.260 i miss one i think it's hat number two anyway so cologne not the visually the face of the brand

00:25:15.040 do you want at this time? And he also had this impossible job of trying to balance France's

00:25:19.280 debt. So he was like, we need a plan to sort this out because we don't have any money.

00:25:25.840 And this is the crisis. So he's, he's, you know, looking at what's going on in France.

00:25:31.080 And he's like, what about if we increase our revenues by taxing the nobility and the clergy?

00:25:37.940 So up until this point, the only people who paid taxes in France were everyone else. So not

00:25:44.040 rich people and not the clergy who were like the people who were the richest in all of France.

00:25:50.920 The only people paying taxes for like the angry mob of peasants. So he's like, yeah,

00:25:56.360 what if we just like increase our revenue by taxing the nobility and the clergy equally with

00:26:01.000 the commoners? So just make a land tax. Anyone who owns land will just pay a certain amount of tax.

00:26:04.780 So in the history of France as a kingdom, the aristocracy and the church had never

00:26:10.280 been taxed before. But it's like, yeah, this is a great way to make money. It's really interesting.

00:26:15.820 People talk about that today. Why don't we tax our billionaires? Wouldn't that pay off some of

00:26:20.040 our debts and provide much needed social services? A similar concept, which was taken just as well by

00:26:27.140 the billionaires of that era as it is by the billionaires of our era. Although Barry, the king,

00:26:33.220 was like, this makes sense. I like this plan. Let's do it. But even though he's the king and

00:26:37.840 He's like an absolute monarch.

00:26:38.840 He couldn't just change tax laws on his own.

00:26:41.180 This had to go through the Parlement of Paris, which is sort of like the Supreme Court.

00:26:45.560 And this is the same place that had only just recently been the people who judged the affair

00:26:50.080 of the necklace, who had just found Rohan not guilty.

00:26:53.000 So Barry is like, they don't like the monarchy.

00:26:55.540 They're not going to side with me on this.

00:26:57.920 So we need to get somebody else to like rubber stamp this new tax plan.

00:27:02.120 So Cologne was like, well, what if we just like sidestep them entirely and call for this

00:27:07.080 other thing?

00:27:07.840 We can call for an assembly of notables, which is a group of handpicked regional officials.

00:27:13.900 And that would be a way that they could, if they approved it, then it'd be okay.

00:27:17.480 So Barry's like, great, do it.

00:27:19.320 So they convened the assembly of notables at Versailles, February 22nd, 1787.

00:27:24.640 And the notables arrived and, you know, they've been told like France is in this, like, we're in this debt.

00:27:31.880 We have all this, you know, we're struggling.

00:27:34.200 um you know we need to increase taxes because of the imminent financial collapse but the notables

00:27:39.560 arrived at Versailles which is where Barry lives and all these people live all these rich people

00:27:43.140 and they're like huh couldn't help but notice that you have like all these home renovation

00:27:47.840 projects happening and everyone's wearing these various hats and poofs all the royals seem to own

00:27:53.460 numerous houses like so many horses uh it's the even though France was in debt um Versailles didn't

00:28:02.180 look like it. So the notables were like, doesn't really look like you need to change the tax laws

00:28:07.900 actually. And also the notables, the assembly of notables was assembled by people from

00:28:12.360 land and nobility or the clergy. So these are the people who would have to have their taxes

00:28:16.440 increased. So they showed up at Versailles and they're like, it looks like you guys are killing

00:28:19.680 it actually. We don't want to pay taxes. And they got really mad about it. In fact, they opposed

00:28:25.800 the proposal so vehemently that Barry was forced to veto the plan and actually fire Cologne.

00:28:32.180 Cologne became known as Monsieur Deficit for his attempts to raise taxes.

00:28:37.480 So really, the haters are all just the rich people, really.

00:28:42.280 The people in, the haters are like manipulating the peasant people in France to hate Marie Antoinette and to hate Cologne and stuff.

00:28:49.400 But really, the haters, it's just, I don't know.

00:28:52.380 I just figured that out for myself.

00:28:53.720 Maybe you just did too.

00:28:54.700 You probably figured it out two episodes ago.

00:28:56.480 Anyway, so Cologne is fired.

00:28:57.600 And so there's not one kind of like main minister anymore for Barry.

00:29:02.180 to turn to for help. And he is somebody who, as we talked about in the first episode,

00:29:07.380 is neurodivergency coded, probably. He's somebody who he can get really easily overwhelmed. He can

00:29:16.660 get really easily overstimulated. And he has this like paralyzing inability to make decisions,

00:29:23.260 especially when he's feeling stressed out. So he needs people around him to help him and to help

00:29:28.140 him make these decisions. And there's not a minister around. So he's like, Marie Antoinette,

00:29:31.000 will you help me out? And she's like, sure, sure. I'm in my mom era and I can be your honorary mom

00:29:36.160 now as well. So Ambassador Mercy, who's this guy who's still on the scene, he's one of the main

00:29:40.700 people we hear, we know about what happened from. He was the Austrian ambassador sent by Marie

00:29:47.120 Antoinette's mother, now dead, the mother, not Mercy. Ambassador Mercy is still there and he's

00:29:51.600 kind of like looking out for Marie Antoinette as kind of her honorary dad. So he reported that Barry

00:29:55.920 came to Marie Antoinette in tears every day. He was so overwhelmed and didn't know what to do.

00:30:00.980 He was not able, he's truly not able to function. So Marie Antoinette, just to keep up with what's

00:30:05.120 happening, she's 32, you know, she's been two years out of flower crowns. She's in her mom

00:30:09.500 era, mother of three. And she is at a point in her life where she is capable of helping him out.

00:30:15.460 And maybe she would have been before, but remember he used to not turn to her because he had that 1.00

00:30:19.140 tutor before who was like Austrian women are all bitches. Don't, don't listen to Austrian women or 1.00

00:30:23.980 whatever. So she's like, yeah, finally, yeah, I can be the Maria Teresa to you. Like I do have

00:30:30.320 some knowledge at this point. You know, what she had was just like a real willingness to want to

00:30:35.440 help. And so she also was just, she confided in Ambassador Mercy who, you know, she was in contact

00:30:42.200 with as well. She was just like, Barry is a no fit state for this. Like he was struggling. He was

00:30:47.520 not doing well mentally physically and so she stayed by his side she was like the queen but

00:30:54.000 she was also his wife and she was also kind of unofficially like his minister and so she took

00:30:58.220 as much control of the situation as she could because she saw that barry was not capable of

00:31:01.940 doing this at this point but there's only so much that she could do um because the crisis was so

00:31:08.320 massive and like decades long and like how much could she help out she hadn't been like iced out

00:31:14.320 of government stuff until now. She didn't, she did not know a lot about finance, but she just

00:31:19.480 wanted to help. Okay. Somebody had to, so she stepped up. So she brought in a new person to

00:31:24.380 be the new minister of finance. Cause she's like, someone has to do this. He's not me.

00:31:27.960 So this is a guy who was her trusted ally, Etienne Charles de Loménie de Brienne.

00:31:32.520 And the role that he took over was prime minister, which there had not been someone in that job for

00:31:37.100 a long time, actually. And so the ministers, the other ministers were mad that they brought in

00:31:41.900 someone to be the prime minister. And they were like, it is the queen who governs. And she was

00:31:46.640 present visually. Like she arranged policy meetings. She sat in on these meetings with

00:31:52.140 the king. Sometimes when he wasn't up to it, like she would attend in his place. She was there doing

00:31:57.100 stuff because no one else was. Like Barry was not able to do it. And then the ministers were just

00:32:02.120 like, oh, she's not the king. It's like, yeah, the king is like in his room, like not able to

00:32:07.560 talk right now. Anyway, so she did her best to understand the issues and she did her best to

00:32:11.640 advise her husband. But the issue is just, there's no money. There's no money coming into France.

00:32:19.020 This is the crisis. And even the weather was working against her and them and everybody,

00:32:26.900 France at this time. There had been bad storms before. Remember there's that horrible hail

00:32:31.240 storm we talked about before. So now there's yet more severe storms followed by drought

00:32:34.960 and then excessive cold so the trifecta of just like things that fuck up your farms so this room

00:32:40.740 the crops forced the price of bread which we've talked about numerous times this podcast people

00:32:45.720 in France are serious about their bread it was like the one thing that no matter how poor you

00:32:50.320 were at least you had some bread but now there's not even bread for people so the price of bread

00:32:54.540 reached record highs and I saw recently wait I think I took a screen capture of it yeah so

00:33:01.700 I saw on the thread. So Alyssa C. Davis posted on threads. What she says is which hunts weren't

00:33:07.680 random. Economist Emily Oster found in a 2004 study that which trials surged during crop

00:33:13.100 failures and economic crisis, hard times needed scapegoats. And so I saw that and made me think

00:33:18.380 of Marie Antoinette because there's so much crop stuff happening and she is so much the scapegoat

00:33:24.200 in this situation. Like she does not control the weather, but everybody's so hungry and so mad.

00:33:29.420 And you can't just blame like in today's world, we can blame like, oh, you know, climate change, like the billionaires, like all these horrible corporations.

00:33:37.180 And back then, it's like, who are they going to blame?

00:33:40.140 Like God, the more people starved and the more the cops were shitty, the more people turned on her because they had to blame somebody.

00:33:47.000 And actually, that makes me think of something else that I wanted to share with you.

00:33:49.560 I've been trying to formulate how to describe this.

00:33:51.520 The way that people turn on Maria Antoinette and the way that she became the face of this whole economic crisis is similar.

00:33:59.120 What the comparison is that I thought of is earlier this year when there's that whole like space flight and Katy Perry went on.

00:34:06.540 It was like the Jeff Bezos is whatever it's called, the Blue Origin space flight.

00:34:11.660 And so it was like just these this group of women went up in this like little space tourism trip.

00:34:16.520 Lauren Sanchez being one of them, Jeff Bezos, now wife. 0.62

00:34:19.100 It was maybe part of her bachelorette party. I don't know.

00:34:21.120 But this whole thing happened. And then Katy Perry was part of it. And she went up and she talked about like, yeah, I'm going to go up in full glam. And she did. And then she spent all her time up in space, like promoting her like tour that she's doing or her new album that flopped. And she like Katy Perry has been having quite a year. But the in terms of just like people turning on her and the spaceflight really made people turn on her.

00:34:44.140 And she really became the face of space tourism and kind of like Amazon and like Jeff Bezos

00:34:50.080 and everything where it's like, if everyone was just like, yeah, let's go get Katy Perry. 0.99

00:34:54.420 Let's like cut off Katy Perry's head. 0.51

00:34:55.900 It's like, okay, you could, but like Katy Perry didn't cause this. 0.96

00:34:59.600 She's maybe benefiting from like everything that's happening with like billionaires not

00:35:04.000 paying taxes and big businesses and everything.

00:35:06.320 We were like, Jeff Bezos like shut down Venice for his wedding. 0.71

00:35:10.100 like and people are making fun of Lauren Sanchez for like the dresses that she wore to that wedding

00:35:14.380 where it's like Lauren Sanchez is not the cause of this Katy Perry is not the cause of this but

00:35:18.600 it's so people just always want to find I just mean humanity you see this over and over and

00:35:24.000 again but it's just like can we blame a woman for this and what we see with this is that Maria

00:35:28.740 Antoinette gets blamed for so much stuff where it's like did she in this situation she's certainly 0.97

00:35:32.920 trying to help but like her spending habits and her fashion and stuff like those were uh those 1.00

00:35:38.440 were part of the financial crisis,

00:35:40.700 but that didn't cause the financial crisis.

00:35:42.980 Like financial crisis,

00:35:44.120 it's like go back a hundred years.

00:35:45.700 It's like Louis XIV taking everyone to Versailles,

00:35:48.280 like the making everybody

00:35:49.660 have to get new outfits every day.

00:35:51.060 Like it was the society

00:35:52.540 that she was brought into from away.

00:35:54.380 This wasn't even her style in Vienna.

00:35:56.560 Anyway, that's what I was thinking.

00:35:57.540 I was like, yeah,

00:35:58.420 which we'll see in later episodes 0.87

00:35:59.800 when Marie Antoinette really becomes, 0.99

00:36:02.100 she's already is a scapegoat, 0.97

00:36:03.340 but when she's in later episodes, 0.95

00:36:05.280 imprisoned and things like that,

00:36:07.220 I think I'll draw back to these comparisons again, because it's kind of like, if you have a scapegoat, and you capture the scapegoat, and then you kill the scapegoat, the problem is still there. So then you just choose a new scapegoat, I guess. Anyway, so here's what's happening. There's no bread. Everybody's hangry. So Barry is just like trying to, he's like, we need more money. And the only way we can get money is from just taxes. Like, that's it. Like how it was like, no one's going to lend us money again.

00:36:31.300 So August 6th, he tries to impose attacks on stamps and on land, but the Supreme Court, full of haters, they oppose this. Actually, they oppose this so much that they were disrespectful to him. They were hating on him. And so he sent them into exile because they were so disrespectful to him.

00:36:46.960 And then violent protests against Barry sending the Supreme Court away, like nearly through the city into the French Revolution. So Barry allowed the Supreme Court to return like this is this is the how close we are to the French Revolution happening.

00:37:01.000 And then the Royal Treasury ran out of money.

00:37:03.640 The economy collapsed, companies went bankrupt,

00:37:06.400 many French people, as well as the foreign bankers

00:37:09.460 who had lent the money before

00:37:10.680 lost their life savings and incomes.

00:37:12.760 It was an economic disaster

00:37:14.840 and people were looking for a villain. 1.00

00:37:17.800 And Marie Antoinette was already so hated, 0.91

00:37:20.040 but because she had been very influential

00:37:21.700 in the government, the one time in her life

00:37:23.380 she's influential in the government

00:37:24.400 was during this time of trying desperately

00:37:26.400 to stave off this economic collapse.

00:37:28.200 so they knew that she had been there they knew that she had been like in these meetings and so

00:37:32.740 now France was officially bankrupt and she not any of these finance ministers not Jack Necker

00:37:38.620 she got the blame so one of her ladies-in-waiting Madame Campan who later wrote a memoir wrote

00:37:44.400 her ostensible interference drew upon her from all parties and all classes of society and 0.72

00:37:49.140 unpopularity the rapid progress of which alarmed all those who were sincerely attached to her so

00:37:55.200 one of the biggest critics of Marie Antoinette and of Barry was Barry's cousin, Ryan Phillippe

00:38:00.860 from Cruel Intentions. So Ryan Phillippe, his whole goal, as I said at the beginning, was he

00:38:05.920 wanted to get Barry kicked out of being king. So he, Ryan Phillippe, could be the new king in a

00:38:10.760 new sort of like constitutional type thing where there's like a king, but also like a legislative

00:38:15.620 body. He just wanted to be king, Ryan Phillippe, effectively. And so he actually joined the Supreme

00:38:20.800 court um to declare barry's actions like trying to impose these taxes illegal and marie antoinette 0.92

00:38:27.180 and barry were just like fuck this guy honestly um and they both agreed to have ryan philip be 0.97

00:38:33.420 exiled for being insubordinate which just made um the peasants and people like him even more and hate 0.99

00:38:40.300 barry even more so like marie antoinette's sort of unpopularity had been sort of fomenting it had

00:38:47.220 been like building up slowly from the time she was queen until now but then now it's just like

00:38:52.860 with the economic collapse and with her involvement in it like all of the time that the hater nation

00:38:58.620 had been spending like making paying for these pamphlets and stuff like really paid off because

00:39:02.740 now it's just like it's an unstoppable train of hatred for Marie Antoinette there's no there's no

00:39:07.700 turning this around like once this narrative has been set like I don't know what she could have

00:39:11.260 done at this point to turn this all around. And Barry, uh, shut down completely. So he was not

00:39:19.080 able to, to have meetings. He's not able to talk to people. He just, as he sometimes does,

00:39:25.500 like he just gets overwhelmed and he, he just shut down entirely. Similar vibes to, um, Henry

00:39:32.540 the fourth, if you're familiar with early medieval Tudor history, um, the wife of Margaret of Anjou,

00:39:38.720 He also similarly was, became king, even though he didn't really have the personality or temperament

00:39:43.740 for it. And he like would just shut down. And this just left Marie Internet even more to just

00:39:48.060 become like the public face of Marquis in general. She kept like living her life because what else

00:39:54.440 can you do? She went into Paris to the Ryan Phillippe mall to like go see the opera. But

00:39:58.980 one day she came to the opera and someone had left a note like on the door of her like box where she

00:40:03.040 sat that said, tremble tyrants, your reign must end. And at the opera, people would hiss at her

00:40:09.620 or ignore her completely. And finally, her bodyguard was like, it is no longer safe for you

00:40:15.220 to go to Paris and make public appearances. You were so hated. Yeah. And that's where she used to

00:40:20.480 go to just like have a nice time. She couldn't go to the mall anymore. P.S. At the mall, the number 0.99

00:40:26.880 one bestseller in all the bookstores was the memoir of Jean de Lamont. From the affair of

00:40:31.960 the necklace who had escaped prison and was now living in England. And I think Cologne

00:40:36.260 had bankrolled her memoir because he also hated Marie Antoinette. So everybody hated her. They're

00:40:41.700 reading this book about how Marie Antoinette was this lesbian lover with Jean de Lamont

00:40:45.460 and all this stuff. And just adding to the bad timing of it all was Rose Bertin, who everybody

00:40:51.880 knew had been Marie Antoinette's dressmaker for a long time. She staged a fake bankruptcy to try 0.57

00:40:58.880 enforce all of her clients to pay her what they purchased on credit because her business was 1.00

00:41:02.640 entirely run on credit. She wasn't actually bankrupt. She just wanted some more people

00:41:07.920 to pay her because she was annoyed at them or something. But because of her connection to

00:41:12.380 Marie Antoinette, everybody, it didn't take much for people to assume like, oh, 0.74

00:41:15.900 Marie Antoinette bankrupted her. It must be Marie Antoinette who caused this bankruptcy of this

00:41:19.720 woman. And then this became the latest hat trend, a hat called the savings account. 0.97

00:41:25.280 So it was like a hat. This is like metaphorical. It's a hat. And the top of the hat had been sliced off to sarcastically indicate how the national treasury had a bottomless amount of money. So it's like the hat. So the hat is like topless, but it's as though it's bottomless. I don't know. People were into it. Like this was like hilarious to the people of the day.

00:41:45.660 All of this, the financial collapse, and also just Rose Burton's, how she kind of burned some bridges here.

00:41:54.300 Marie Antoinette not being able to go to Paris anymore. 0.81

00:41:56.280 She just started spending less money with Rose Burton.

00:41:59.340 There was another seamstress she started working with a bit more as she entered a new frugal era. 0.97

00:42:04.300 For the first time, she paid to have existing dresses redone rather than purchasing new ones. 1.00

00:42:10.880 And Rose Burton was like, I'm not going to mend your dresses.

00:42:13.920 like you can take this to some other person so marie antoinette was like doing you know like

00:42:18.660 people do now like people trying to do now it's just like take your old clothes and just like

00:42:22.020 tailor them a bit and like instead of buying a new outfit every day but when marie antoinette

00:42:26.440 needed like a new major event outfit like she would still go to roseburton of course for instance

00:42:31.940 a new major portrait had been painted was being painted of her at this time it takes a long time

00:42:37.380 to paint a portrait um by elizabeth vige le brun so this was a painting that marie antoinette i said 0.91

00:42:43.240 like what can she do to repair her reputation and what she kind of the only move she had at

00:42:48.020 this point was to remind everybody like look I'm a mom I'm a mom now isn't this sympathetic

00:42:52.520 please it's like when people today celebrities sometimes who are in a scandal suddenly pictures

00:42:58.660 come out of them at the pumpkin patch with their cute children you're like oh look they're a mom

00:43:02.320 anyway so she was working this new painting she was wearing this red dress um and it's a painting

00:43:08.980 of her with her children. So she had had a fourth child. I didn't mention that. It was a daughter.

00:43:14.040 Her name was Sophie, but she died in infancy. Sophie was probably born prematurely, just like

00:43:19.520 the timeline of everything that happened around her birth. Like Marie Antoinette, when she went

00:43:24.220 into labor, she was like, she didn't believe it was for a while. And Barry was actually out of

00:43:29.020 town at that time. And like Barry would not have been out of town if it was near her due date. So

00:43:32.780 probably Sophie was born prematurely. She had lots of illness type things and she died very young.

00:43:37.560 So the painting was going to be a picture of Marie Antoinette with her four children and Sophie would be in this like bassinet.

00:43:43.220 But then Sophie died while the painting was being done.

00:43:45.360 So now it's a painting of Marie Antoinette with her three children and then this empty bassinet, which makes it even just emotional in a different way.

00:43:53.020 Really. So not just is she a mother, but she's a grieving mother.

00:43:56.760 So this portrait is going to be displayed at the Paris Salon.

00:44:00.500 And so the last time Elisabeth Viget-Lebrun had presented a painting of Marie Antoinette at the Paris Salon, it was the fuck dress portrait.

00:44:07.560 which led to riots, etc. So the Paris Salon was like, okay, well, we're just going to mark off

00:44:14.180 the wall where this painting will go, but we won't put it out until the last possible minute

00:44:17.600 just to try to avoid the riots. But this backfired on them because people, like the wall, everyone

00:44:23.420 knew where the portrait was going to go. And so somebody wrote, here is Madame Deficit and stuck

00:44:28.780 that on a label on a wall where the painting was going to go. And that nickname stuck. So like

00:44:33.620 Cologne had been Monsieur deficit. Now Marie Antoinette is Madame deficit. Part of this 1.00

00:44:38.020 painting too, if you look at it, and I talked about this with the author of the biography of

00:44:45.640 Elizabeth Vigée Librand, Jordana Pomeroy. In this portrait, there's Marie Antoinette with her

00:44:50.460 children. It's really done in the style of like a Madonna and child type painting from classical

00:44:54.340 art history. And in the background of this painting, there's a jewelry box and it's open

00:44:58.880 and it's empty. So it's kind of like Marie Antoinette also not wearing a necklace in this

00:45:03.000 painting so it's really like this portrait is showing like these are the jewels of my life not

00:45:06.600 literal jewels my children that's what I value which is true of her and that's what she's trying

00:45:11.680 to indicate so she just continued because of the hatred um just because of the ongoing scandal she 0.94

00:45:17.980 retreated from public view she stopped spending as much money which meant giving less money as

00:45:22.200 gifts to her friends which made her realize how many of her friends were shady people who only

00:45:26.260 hang out with her for money so she started spending time with somebody who was actually

00:45:29.560 nice to her, which was Barry had a sister called Madame Elizabeth, who had been like a young girl

00:45:36.100 when Marie Antoinette first came to France. And they hadn't spent that much time together,

00:45:40.760 but they bonded. They liked each other. And Madame Elizabeth was very, I would say like

00:45:44.600 nun adjacent. She was very frugal. She dressed very simply. She probably would have become a nun 1.00

00:45:51.220 is her kind of vibe. And so Marie Antoinette was spending more time with her and like they were 0.99

00:45:56.080 getting along and so it's a real like it's not even like a clean girl aesthetic it's like it's

00:46:01.040 even less it's just like a nun girl aesthetic it's just like very plain um and then people

00:46:05.700 the haters if Miranda not dressed very ostentatiously they would just be like how

00:46:10.440 could you dress so ostentatiously like we're in a financial crisis and she started dressing really

00:46:14.040 plainly and the haters were like how dare she dress plainly she's not dressed grandly enough

00:46:18.920 she's the queen and that's inappropriate so um you know nothing she did was correct because people 0.95

00:46:24.220 just want to hate her. Meanwhile, the guy who was her ally, who she brought in as Prime Minister,

00:46:29.300 Brienne, wasn't fixing the financial crisis because guess what? No one could. And with the

00:46:34.360 people in the streets, they really liked Jack Necker because the last major thing Jack Necker

00:46:39.120 had done, if you'll recall, is he magically made it seem like France wasn't in debt with his

00:46:44.400 creative accounting so they could get loans from other countries. And that kind of left,

00:46:48.580 kept France going for a while, but did also kind of lead them to this point now. So was that a good

00:46:53.420 thing he did? I don't know. But the people, the French Revolution type people were just like,

00:46:59.500 bring back Jack Necker. He can solve this. If anyone can, he can. He's our man. And so Marie 0.99

00:47:04.200 Antoinette was like, you know what? The people want Jack Necker back. So Barry, I think that's

00:47:08.280 what we should do. And Barry is like, whatever you want, babe. And so Jack Necker was reappointed

00:47:13.780 to be the finance minister. He triumphantly returned to Versailles to work his magic.

00:47:20.660 And people were really excited about that.

00:47:22.420 The mob was thrilled about it.

00:47:24.780 They went for parades with busts of him.

00:47:27.040 I don't know where they got busts of Jacques Necker from.

00:47:29.220 Maybe they had them from before.

00:47:30.880 They also carried little mannequins of Ryan Phillippe through the streets of the mall,

00:47:36.040 just being like, we're happy about this.

00:47:37.460 This is all great.

00:47:38.560 They burnt effigies of Brienne, Marie Antoinette's friend, the former finance minister.

00:47:43.280 One of the reasons why they were really into Jacques Necker was that he was into the whole like Rousseau of it all, like the whole enlightenment, like liberty, equality, which was really, really trending lately because of the American Revolution, which had very recently just wrapped up successfully for the revolutionaries.

00:48:03.280 solutionaries. But so Jacques Necker was like, okay, let's sort this out. And he's just like,

00:48:07.820 this is even worse than last time I was here. I don't think I could even pretend to have money.

00:48:14.720 There's truly no money coming in. We are truly a bankrupt nation. And so he advised Barry to call,

00:48:22.100 like they couldn't do, like the assembly of notables hadn't helped. So it's like,

00:48:25.400 and we knew that the Supreme court wasn't going to help. So it's like option C is we call the,

00:48:29.720 we summon the estates general to ask for emergency financial relief. The estates general is like,

00:48:36.780 it's the French version of a national assembly. So it's three, there's the three estates. So the

00:48:42.180 first estate is the clergy. The second estate is the aristocracy. And the third estate is everybody

00:48:47.780 else. The mob, let's say. And so this is like, this is not a group that meets regularly. The

00:48:54.140 last time that they had met was 16, 16, 14. And now we're in like 1788. So it's really a last resort

00:49:03.860 type thing to call. But this is kind of like another sort of thing, like we'll call these

00:49:08.440 states general. And if they agree for the emergency financial measures, maybe that would be taxes or

00:49:12.940 whatever it would be. But like, this is a way that we can maybe try and fix this crisis by calling

00:49:17.660 this group of people together. And so at around the same time, the Berry called for the states

00:49:21.760 general. This connects back to the whole America revolution of it all because America had recently

00:49:27.060 released their constitution. A thing that happened, oh, it's some significant date. We're going to be

00:49:33.020 talking about that later on the podcast. But anyway, the constitution had been written. This

00:49:37.820 outlined the structure of rights and responsibilities of this brand new system of government. And people

00:49:42.520 in France were really hype about this. Like the Ryan Phillippe type people were excited about it.

00:49:46.940 The mob was excited about it. Like all the kind of like Rousseau enlightenment type people were just

00:49:51.440 like this is it like we love this concept of constitution let's have that for france now too

00:49:57.180 let's like not just i'll be ruled by this king like let's also have people like we the people

00:50:02.000 etc etc so the estates general was meeting and the third estate was like this is our chance guys

00:50:07.440 we're gonna like make a constitution this is our chance axel von furssen rantonette's hot swedish

00:50:13.400 friend slash maybe lover wrote in 1788 nobody speaks of anything but the constitution it's a

00:50:19.680 delirium. People were really excited about the American constitution, thinking like maybe France

00:50:24.200 could have a similar thing. And then Barry announced that. So remember what he wants is

00:50:28.940 to raise the taxes of the clergy and the aristocracy. And the estates general is the

00:50:33.560 clergy, the aristocracy, and everybody else. So he knows from the assembly of notables fiasco

00:50:38.260 that the clergy and the aristocracy are not going to vote to increase their own taxes. He knows that

00:50:42.620 it's the third estate. That's who is probably going to vote for this. So he decided to double

00:50:48.840 the amount of people invited from the third estates there'd be even more of them so the

00:50:52.280 votes would count more and also it would reflect their majority in the general population also at

00:50:56.620 this point barry thought naive sweet little baby that the third estate had this instilled reverence

00:51:04.620 for the monarchy and he thought they would support them so he brought in even more people from the

00:51:09.000 third estate for this meeting and so this is the group that is coming the we've got the clergy we've

00:51:15.640 got the aristocracy and then we've got this third estate like mob type people who are all coming

00:51:21.200 and they're like it's like yeah technically we're here for emergency financial reforms but since

00:51:25.360 we're here anyway let's just like declare a constitution and start a new kind of government

00:51:28.820 so they knew that they would never have like the mob type people knew they would never have a

00:51:32.980 better chance like this they wanted to like the americans who they'd help support they want to

00:51:37.720 seize the initiative and just like drive home like their point they're like france needs to

00:51:43.100 have representative government. It is up to us, the third estate, we're going to make this happen.

00:51:47.980 And so everybody shows up at Versailles, May 4th, 1789. Every estate has their own outfit.

00:51:53.180 So the third estate, they're wearing plain black hats and somber coats, very basic,

00:52:01.900 not flashy looking. The second estate, the aristocracy, were wearing their jeweled,

00:52:08.680 magnificent finery. And then the clergy had beautiful robes, like in the movie Conclave.

00:52:13.100 And so in the past, seeing like the way that you dress meant who you were and it meant how you should be treated. So being dressed elegant and fancy in the past sort of meant that these people were treated with absolute respect. But the third estate was just like proto mob. And they're just like, no, we're all the same. We've read Rousseau. Like, let's get this done.

00:52:33.080 So actually, among these people, and everyone's dressed in these different ways, some of the noblemen, some of the aristocracy who were like vibing with the ideas of the Constitution and American Revolution, like Ryan Phillippe from Cruel Intentions, cosplayed as third estate people.

00:52:51.520 They came dressed non-flashy. They came dressed in their most plain outfits. And in fact, Ryan Phillippe from Cool Intentions had recently, he was really riding this whole like, I am like you, poor people, whole thing. He had made a great show of selling off expensive pieces from his family's art collection. And the money he raised would go to help the people after this really hard winter they'd just all gotten through. So like, nice of him, but also makes himself look good. Two things can be true.

00:53:17.280 And so he, as opposed to Marie Antoinette and Barry, the king and queen, they showed up the way that they're supposed to at this, where everybody's like, the fancier you're dressed, the more respect you should have.

00:53:29.120 And they were the absolute most fanciest dressed people there.

00:53:31.700 Barry, they're in full monarchy drag.

00:53:34.400 Barry is wearing this gold jacket to show you that he's the sun king.

00:53:39.560 Marie Antoinette is wearing a silver dress, which shows that she's the moon that supports the sun.

00:53:44.700 Both were wearing the most precious diamonds that they owned.

00:53:47.700 In the Royal Collection, he had a diamond-encrusted sword,

00:53:50.960 diamond buttons on his jacket, and diamond buckles on his shoes.

00:53:53.920 And on his hat, he was wearing what is now known as the Hope Diamond,

00:53:57.200 which is one of the hugest diamonds ever that's also got a cursed history.

00:54:02.260 Marie Antoinette was wearing a huge diamond on her head and no necklace 0.96

00:54:06.180 because she was just like, no necklaces.

00:54:09.200 And see, for the necklace, she's just like, I need to make it known.

00:54:11.760 I don't like necklaces. I don't wear necklaces.

00:54:14.360 I'm not wearing a necklace.

00:54:15.680 And so it had been raining when this procession started.

00:54:18.200 Like they're processing on like carriages in these outfits,

00:54:20.620 except for I assume the people, the third state are walking. 0.71

00:54:23.300 It had been raining, but then the sun broke through the clouds,

00:54:25.560 making the king and the queen and their diamond-encrusted gold and silver outfits

00:54:28.720 just like glitter and looks sort of like amazing.

00:54:31.160 And yet the crowd was not calling out good things to them.

00:54:33.640 They're calling long live Ryan Phillippe,

00:54:35.620 the guy down there wearing the black coat.

00:54:37.940 Marie Antoinette at this procession looked pale and upset.

00:54:41.680 she was pale and upset uh not just from the way the ryan philby was being greeted but from other 0.93

00:54:48.320 things we'll talk about in a minute but also from gynecological things she had had these four

00:54:53.580 childs and there is some some damage had happened to her inside parts from these births and this 0.60

00:54:59.400 continues with her for the rest of her life so she's like ill as well just so you know anyway

00:55:04.340 so while the royals were like and everybody was out in this parade some members of the mob were

00:55:10.380 just like they'd heard so much about Petit Trianon Marie Antoinette's like little enclave

00:55:15.520 where she had her like fake sheep farm but also like this little castle she lived in that she 0.67

00:55:20.760 had redecorated and all the rumors were that she had redecorated it in this like trashy cologne 0.79

00:55:25.100 type way with like gold and diamonds and just like this is why the country's in debt because 0.82

00:55:29.940 of her home renovations so some people snuck into Petit Trianon so they could be like ha ha look it's

00:55:34.440 all like trashy but they went and they're like oh it's actually tasteful yet elegant and you know

00:55:39.480 they're disappointed. Anyway, the Estates General and its formal convocation the next day.

00:55:44.780 The third estate made their first big move in a hat-based moment. When Barry was present,

00:55:50.320 everyone was supposed to take off their hats because he's the king. But the third estate

00:55:53.560 kept their hats on. This was a big deal. And it's kind of like, what's going to happen? What's he

00:55:58.220 going to do? But Barry, he was just like, okay, so he took his hat off. And that made everyone

00:56:03.000 else take off their hats. And that kind of like calmed down this hat-based quasi-drama.

00:56:07.740 A person who is present, not sure why, Gouverneur Morris was there.

00:56:14.080 If you're marking off on your sheet, for those of you who are following along, people we've talked about in previous episodes,

00:56:18.380 Gouverneur Morris is a surprise stealth supporting character in so many episodes of this podcast season. 0.97

00:56:24.500 If you don't know, if you didn't hear the other episodes, he's like an American founding father who just like went to France to fuck around. 0.87

00:56:30.380 And he wrote some interesting diaries while he was there. 0.97

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00:59:22.800 and we're back. Anyway, what he wrote about Marie Antoinette was that, remember we talked

00:59:28.720 way back in the early episode, she has this resting bitch face. She just does. That is why 1.00

00:59:33.020 I do too. Lots of people do. But for people who didn't know that she was ill, that she was going

00:59:38.240 through this like tragedy that I'll tell you about in a minute. Anyway, Gouverneur Morris was just

00:59:42.140 like, her face seemed to say like for the present, I shall submit, but I will have my turn. So people

00:59:47.600 just like the way her face sat made people confirmed the terrible things people thought

00:59:51.780 about her. So these days, generals started meeting and it's just like, you know, a bunch of men

00:59:56.420 meeting for like politics stuff. They're just like, I want this. So it went on for like a month

01:00:01.920 and a bit and nobody could agree on anything, obviously. On June 17th, the third estate

01:00:07.400 declared themselves Francis' only legitimate legislative body, the Assemblée Nationale.

01:00:14.080 So they were doing their thing. They're just like, we're going to make a constitution.

01:00:17.520 We're going to start a new government. You're with us or you're against us.

01:00:20.880 So the Assemblée Nationale, previously known as Third Estate, invited the other two states to join them in drafting a constitution. And on June 20th, the Third Estate was locked out of the Great Hall, just for not following the rules or whatever. And in response, the Third Estate were like, okay, well, we need to have a meeting. Let's make a constitution. Where is there a space big enough for all of us? Tennis court.

01:00:43.680 So then they went to the tennis court at Versailles and they swore a solemn oath that is known as the tennis court oath to not disband until they had forced the monarchy to accept a constitution based on the principles of representative government.

01:00:56.700 So this is like revolution adjacent, but it's like American revolution style.

01:01:01.080 Nobody's cutting off anyone's heads at this point.

01:01:03.420 It's American revolution style.

01:01:04.420 So Barry, a man who really requires every day to be exactly like every other day and to be able to prepare as much as possible for anything he's going to do, was not prepared for this.

01:01:16.440 Especially because he and Marie Antoinette were in the midst, while this was happening, while East East General was happening, their son was dying.

01:01:22.940 That was what I was talking about before when I said Marie Antoinette looked sad and whatever.

01:01:27.440 So their older son, the Dauphin, seven years old, and he had been ill for a very long time, like most of his life.

01:01:32.980 he had what was described as tuberculosis of the spine which as far as i can tell just means

01:01:40.220 tuberculosis has spread into other parts of the body he is a sick little guy and this is so tragic

01:01:47.840 for both of them marie antoinette and for barry it would be for any parent but we're talking with

01:01:52.360 them and they were both marie antoinette was very very very close to her children her children were

01:01:56.320 so important to her they were to barry as well like they spent all this time as a family and

01:02:00.100 petite tree and all like much closer than a lot of other royals were to their children anyway so

01:02:05.360 when there was the procession when they were dressed as like the sun and the moon and stuff

01:02:09.100 they their son was too ill to like attend but they kind of laid him in the castle where he was staying

01:02:15.800 they put him on a sofa in the window so that he could like watch the parade go by and when his

01:02:20.240 parents passed by that place like they knew he was there and he was waving and both of their eyes

01:02:24.140 filled with tears knowing he was there. So he died, this little guy, a seven-year-old, on June 4th,

01:02:30.200 one month after the Estates General started, two weeks before the tennis court oath. So when he

01:02:35.160 died, Barry and Marie Antoinette retreated to mourn at their chateau in Marley. But the day that

01:02:43.260 the boy died, actually a delegation appeared, I think, which is some people from the Estates

01:02:48.240 General. I don't know if it's the third estate necessarily. Like that day, the day that the

01:02:51.200 little boy had died. Some people came to see them and they were just like, we need, we demand the

01:02:56.240 king to address our demands. And Barry was forced to receive them. And he said, are there no fathers

01:03:01.260 in the assembly of the third estate? Which is like so sad and just really shows how people didn't see

01:03:09.800 Barry and Marie Antoinette as people. And in this context, they were representing the monarchy,

01:03:14.540 but also it's just like, can we take a week? Can we give them some time? No, they couldn't.

01:03:20.360 So he and Marie Antoinette had to return to Versailles after only a few days of mourning for their son.

01:03:25.600 Marie Antoinette suspected that the long, like, even in those two days away from Versailles,

01:03:29.940 she knew that Hater Nation at Versailles was working against her and Barry, especially Ryan Phillippe.

01:03:36.140 Her suspicions were correct.

01:03:37.700 These things were all true.

01:03:38.580 And so Marie Antoinette encouraged Barry to take a hard line against the third estate,

01:03:42.380 encouraging him to disband the estate's general quickly before the members began a full-on rebellion.

01:03:46.900 and but Barry is not good at making decisions when he's stressed out and could he be more

01:03:53.980 stressed out like with the amount of things are all happening to him simultaneously

01:03:57.280 Jack Necker suggested maybe they could compromise with the rebels and Barry was like okay that's

01:04:02.740 what we'll do and so when he was like okay we will compromise some other members of like members of

01:04:09.020 the clergy and as well as 47 noblemen were like we'll join the national assembly now as well it's

01:04:13.840 like a real thing. Let's do this. Ryan Phillippe was, of course, one of those noblemen to join

01:04:18.540 this new national assembly. So the atmosphere back in Paris, because remember Paris is whatever,

01:04:23.640 like a few hours carriage ride from Versailles. So they just hear the rumors of what's happening.

01:04:28.620 They're not at Versailles. They were worried that the king was going to dismiss the estates

01:04:31.820 general rather than accept the constitution. People really wanted Ryan Phillippe to be the

01:04:37.320 new king. People were cheering on the streets, Ryan Phillippe forever. And when Barry heard about

01:04:43.060 this, he was like, okay, maybe, maybe they are closer to a revolution than I thought. And so

01:04:48.920 he called for a strong military presence in Paris to maintain peace and order, which we see in

01:04:54.540 today's world as well. Does a strong military presence maintain peace and order, or does it

01:04:59.460 just cause kind of more riots and more upset? In this case, more riots and more upset. So he heard

01:05:05.600 that, like it was revealed to Barry that several, like lots of people from the French guards, like

01:05:10.880 from his army, intended to side with a national assembly.

01:05:14.580 And so Barry summoned soldiers to Versailles. 0.99

01:05:17.180 So like foreigners and mercenaries, 0.99

01:05:19.060 30,000 soldiers were summoned to Versailles 0.96

01:05:20.860 and to Paris to like bring peace and order.

01:05:24.360 Jack Necker disagreed with this strategy

01:05:26.560 and then he was fired in the middle of the night.

01:05:29.440 And this made everybody in Paris even more upset

01:05:32.000 because they all love Jack Necker.

01:05:34.420 They were so mad that he was fired.

01:05:36.500 The King Kong and the military, they were like,

01:05:38.500 we think he's going to separate the public ville.

01:05:40.880 And so this is where people who supported the third estate started to wear cockades, which we've talked about in other episodes. So this is where the cockades were invented. Legend has it. So a cockade, if you don't know, it's like, if you think about the French revolution, they have those like pins that are made of ribbons that are like red and white and blue. It's that. But initially they were green because legend has it. The first cockade was a leaf.

01:06:04.260 So Camille de Moulin is a person we've talked about on the podcast before.

01:06:08.320 He gave a very affecting speech at around this time.

01:06:12.080 He was in Ryan Phillippe's mall and he snatched from a tree, like a leaf off of a tree in the mall.

01:06:17.320 While inciting, he climbed on a table.

01:06:19.080 He's just like, everybody, let's like get guns and let's like go up and fight the royals.

01:06:24.320 And so he grabbed a leaf and like pinned it to himself.

01:06:26.780 And so at first people started wearing leafs or like green little ribbons until they realized that green is the color.

01:06:32.360 of um artois which is barry's younger brother who is very unpopular that was his like the color of

01:06:39.020 like his team his like servants so they're okay not green so then they switched to red and blue

01:06:44.160 because those were the colors they liked um the royal family's colors were white so they liked

01:06:50.360 that this would be different from the royal family's colors coincidentally red also the

01:06:54.520 color of ryan philippe's servants and stuff so they all kind of match him their sort of leader

01:06:59.380 at this time foreign troops arrived and they're wearing cockades because just everyone does i

01:07:03.800 guess they were in black cockades and the people in paris were suspicious and paranoid and they

01:07:09.280 decided to as camille de moulin had encouraged them to to arm themselves with weapons so they're

01:07:15.120 like where are we going to get weapons from so the people in paris the mob type people just were just

01:07:21.340 they went running and just like looting anywhere that they knew there were weapons so like gunsmiths

01:07:26.380 stores, armorers, shops, the supplies for the royal soldiers, like they just broke into these places

01:07:32.260 and stole weapons and gunpowder. July 14th, a mob of 50,000 people forced its way into the main

01:07:38.680 armory for the French guards, who were the troops responsible for protecting the king and keeping

01:07:43.740 public order. 50,000 people. And they went and they broke in and they took out all the weapons

01:07:49.480 and all the ammunition stored there and redistributed those to all the people in the street,

01:07:53.120 including cannons um to civilians so the stockpile of guns there's so many that they had to get

01:07:59.520 volunteers to get rid of them all they're like wasn't even enough people to give them all to

01:08:02.760 there's so many guns so they were now an army really the mob and they're like you know what

01:08:08.220 we need more guns so they headed to the bastille prison so quick facts on the bastille which i

01:08:15.220 mentioned earlier that was where suspects in the affair of the diamond necklace had been held and

01:08:19.280 And that sort of increased its notoriety as like sort of a, because people and the mob sided with

01:08:24.580 Rohan and Jean de Lamotte. And so they felt like, oh, this is a place where like people are held,

01:08:29.440 who we actually support. And prison reform had been a popular topic for a while among the like

01:08:34.700 Enlightenment people, writers of the time. And the Bastille prison was seen as just like a symbol

01:08:39.820 of just like a despotic king about like a tyrant, about like everything that was wrong and horrible

01:08:44.640 with the monarchy. There were only seven prisoners actually in the jail on this day. There had

01:08:49.740 previously been eight prisoners, but one of them had recently been transferred. The person who's

01:08:54.360 transferred, the Marquis de Sade, which is where the word sadism comes from. And maybe we'll do

01:08:59.420 an episode about him later. Anyway, Marquis de Sade had used to, up until very recently, he would be,

01:09:05.480 you go for his exercise on the top of the towers and he would yell at the crowds from the top of

01:09:09.500 the towers. And then also when they wouldn't let him there anymore from his cell window.

01:09:12.440 and he was yelling the authorities plan to massacre the prisoners in the castle. So he's

01:09:17.040 really riling people up as well. The governor of the Bastille was a man named Delaunay. And he knew

01:09:22.800 like when people started stealing guns and weapons, he's like, I feel like they're going to come

01:09:26.860 here. And so let's protect our, the Bastille. And so he had recruited 32 additional Swiss soldiers

01:09:33.060 in addition to the 82 soldiers who were like his usual guards at the prison. So the prison had like,

01:09:38.320 I guess a moat or it had a drawbridge. So he pulled up the drawbridge and closed all the

01:09:42.300 entryways. Nobody could get into the Bastille because he knew that the Bastille was like

01:09:46.280 unpopular with the revolution type people, but he also knew there was weapons that people would want.

01:09:50.500 And he also knew that this is the only remaining like royal stronghold in central Paris. They had

01:09:55.800 also just received 250 barrels of gunpowder, which people knew about, and they wanted to go there and

01:10:00.980 get. So that morning, 900 people started off the day assembling outside the Bastille. Delaunay,

01:10:08.420 the governor, he let two of them in to negotiate, but they couldn't reach a compromise. The

01:10:13.080 revolutionaries wanted the guns and the gunpowder to be handed over, but Delaunay refused to do so

01:10:19.540 unless he got authorization from Versailles. And so they took a break from the negotiations and

01:10:24.340 then they were just about to renew the negotiations later on, like at 1.30 in the afternoon,

01:10:27.780 But the crowd outside was impatient and angry, and they just started storming the Bastille, pushing towards the main gate.

01:10:34.380 And so the guards at the Bastille, like everyone's kind of confused, not sure who's on what side.

01:10:38.980 It's a really confined space.

01:10:40.560 And so this chaotic fighting kind of broke out.

01:10:42.960 The two sides, both with guns, started firing at each other.

01:10:46.500 So that's like the next two hours.

01:10:48.200 3.30 p.m.

01:10:49.380 Royal forces came.

01:10:50.540 So people who had been in the French army, but had switched sides to the revolutionary

01:10:55.540 slash third estate army, third estate side, came to reinforce the crowd.

01:11:00.440 They brought with them trained officers as well as cannons.

01:11:04.100 So they discovered their weapons were not strong enough to damage the main walls of

01:11:07.560 the fortress.

01:11:08.980 So then they began to fire their cannons at the wooden gate of the Bastille.

01:11:13.540 By now, 83 people in the crowd had been killed and another 15 had been wounded and would

01:11:19.260 later die.

01:11:20.160 Only one of the Bastille guards

01:11:21.320 have been killed in return.

01:11:22.340 So at this point,

01:11:23.720 the Bastille is defending itself

01:11:24.760 as best as it can.

01:11:25.940 Delaunay attempted to negotiate a surrender.

01:11:28.480 He threatened,

01:11:28.940 they have this 250 pounds of gunpowder.

01:11:31.560 He's like,

01:11:32.080 like, I will blow up. 0.98

01:11:33.480 Like, we will like suicide ourselves 0.98

01:11:35.760 if his demands are not met.

01:11:37.880 Like, you guys need to surrender

01:11:39.200 or we will blow us all up.

01:11:40.960 In the midst of this,

01:11:42.060 of Delaunay's kind of a glass-ditch attempt,

01:11:44.200 the drawbridge suddenly came down.

01:11:45.980 Revolutionaries were able to get in.

01:11:47.440 Delaunay himself was dragged outside

01:11:49.160 into the streets and was killed in a purge style by the crowd the same way in a few weeks ago the

01:11:54.640 princess lemball episode like he was just ripped limb from limb by the crowd um three officers and

01:11:59.960 three soldiers were also killed during the course of the afternoon and then delaney's head was put

01:12:04.100 on a pike um and it was paraded through the streets which just is a thing people did from

01:12:09.380 then on quite a bit in the french revolution the swiss guards who he had called in to to like back 0.94

01:12:14.280 up his people were not wearing their regular uniform coats and so they were mistaken for

01:12:18.780 Bastille prisoners and they were actually able to escape. And the guns and gunpowder were seized

01:12:24.740 and the seven Bastille prisoners were set free. Who were those seven? Well, four of them were

01:12:30.900 counterfeiters slash forgers. One was, quote, a madman. One was an aristocrat who had been found 0.99

01:12:37.120 guilty of incest and actually had been put in jail because his family had asked to be held there

01:12:40.960 because he was such a danger to them and their family. And then also a man who had attempted to

01:12:45.320 murder Madame de Pompadour by anonymously sending her a box of explosives. So these people just

01:12:51.740 disappeared into the streets and we don't know what happened to any of them again. So they were

01:12:55.060 freed. And meanwhile, 50,000 people with muskets, like that's too many people, like the army, 0.72

01:13:02.900 like ordinary police could not tamp down these people. And also the ordinary police had like 0.88

01:13:06.880 joined their side anyway. So, but they, the mob realized like, oh, we're an army. We have the

01:13:12.780 power of an army. And so we need to have a general. We need an experienced, competent general to lead

01:13:17.980 our army. How about this guy, the Marquis de Lafayette from the musical Hamilton? So he had

01:13:24.100 been in America during the American Revolution. He was now in France and he had been friendly.

01:13:28.740 He'd gone to Versailles. He'd visited with Marie Internet and with Barry and everything,

01:13:32.320 but he had fought with George Washington and Thomas Jefferson in the American Revolution.

01:13:36.680 And he, so his whole thing is he's just like writes to people. I love a constitution. He

01:13:41.660 supported Ryan Phillippe from Cruel Intentions. And he's like, let's just do this revolution,

01:13:45.440 but in like a gentlemanly type way. And so he became the commander in chief of the National

01:13:51.120 Guard of Paris, which is kind of what this army turns into. Ryan Phillippe is just like,

01:13:57.540 this is great. My whole plan of becoming the new king is working out great. So he was paying for

01:14:04.240 outfits for everybody, for army outfits, getting everybody guns so that they would support him as

01:14:10.300 their new king or whatever his goal was at this point. And so because he had Ryan Phillippe and

01:14:14.640 Lafayette on the national guard, these are two like very popular guys among the mob. So more

01:14:20.240 and more people were defecting from Barry's army into this new army. And Barry knew that Ryan

01:14:26.100 Phillippe was really leading this whole thing, um, which is true. And he was, so a lot of things

01:14:32.260 happening very quickly. We know that this is not how Barry best thrives. So when the day had

01:14:39.180 started, like remember, this was just the 14th, like when the 14th had started, he just was doing

01:14:44.120 his regular thing. He's a guy who likes his routines. He went out hunting and he has this

01:14:48.080 diary that he keeps where often all that he writes is how many things he shot or not while he was

01:14:52.980 shooting. And so all that he wrote about this date, July 14th was rien, which means nothing,

01:14:57.980 which just means didn't shoot any deer today. That's all he recorded. Anyway, but what he did

01:15:02.020 do that he didn't write in his diary. So once he heard what was happening in Paris,

01:15:06.300 the French revolution breaking out. He hurried back from his hunting and called a council meeting

01:15:10.620 Versailles to be like, tell me what to do because he's again, not a great decision-making and he

01:15:15.580 likes to have other people help him. So the whole royal family's future was now in peril. So it

01:15:20.980 wasn't just his advisors there with him. His brothers were there, Artois and Provence. Marie

01:15:25.800 Antoinette was also in this meeting. And so they all agreed that they weren't worried that like

01:15:30.640 the monarchy itself was going to be overthrown entirely, but they were worried that Ryan

01:15:35.420 philippi was going to have a coup and take over himself so barry ultimately like after getting

01:15:40.220 opinions from everybody he's like okay i'm going to withdraw our troops from paris um but which

01:15:46.640 is what the assembly the national assembly had wanted this is part why the war broke out because

01:15:49.880 they were so mad about the troops having been sent into paris so he agreed to get rid of them

01:15:53.380 but it was kind of like two days too late really people in paris wanted barry to come to paris and

01:16:00.760 congratulate them on their, on whatever they're doing. Um, and Marie Antoinette was like, okay,

01:16:06.500 what about instead of you going to Paris to probably be murdered? What if we as a family

01:16:11.000 escape to the border of the Habsburg Netherlands to this place called Metz where members of Marie

01:16:17.140 Antoinette's powerful family lived and they can work from there to squash the revolution from

01:16:21.500 a safe distance where they would be protected. And Artois, which is Barry's, uh, younger hot

01:16:27.200 brother was like yes like i agree that's what we should do because he knew like artois and marie

01:16:31.760 antoinette were kind of the two most hated people in the royal family and they both knew like if they

01:16:36.400 like they would be at the most risk of being torn rim from limb from limb by the mob but barry is

01:16:41.620 just like oh you guys i don't know i don't know what to do so while he was just like not able to 0.91

01:16:47.380 decide what to do marie antoinette just started packing up her shit just like she assumed that 0.51

01:16:51.760 they were gonna flee and so she packed up her jewels because that's what you need not because

01:16:55.700 of like i need to look pretty but because of like these are valuable and we can use these to like

01:16:59.920 pay for army or troops or ships or whatever um but the other barry's other brother provence

01:17:04.960 was like no if we escape that's just that's like we're surrendering to the coup that's like giving

01:17:10.220 legitimacy to ryan philippe and once he's in place as the new king it'll be impossible to

01:17:16.100 take it rid of him so eventually barry's just like what to do what to do and he decided that

01:17:21.960 okay, Artois, his younger brother, and then also the Duchess of Polignac, the governess of the

01:17:27.940 royal children, Marie Antoinette's bestie, they could both flee with their families because he

01:17:33.340 knew that they were like top targets of the mob. Marie Antoinette was the one who got to call

01:17:38.840 Gabrielle Polignac and her husband to her rooms. And so she told them, quote,

01:17:42.300 there is yet time to rescue you from the fury of my enemies. If they attack you,

01:17:45.860 it will be much more because of hatred for me than for you. Do not be a victim to your affection

01:17:50.120 into my friendship. And the Polonyaks didn't want to go. They didn't want to abandon her, 1.00

01:17:53.900 but she begged them to go and absolutely save their lives by letting them, getting them to

01:17:59.800 leave at that point. But Barry was like, I'm going to stay in Versailles. I will go to Paris and I

01:18:05.380 will compromise with the revolutionaries. Marie Antoinette is just like, what the fuck are you 1.00

01:18:09.380 doing? Like they will never let you return. Like they are going to marry you. And he's like, 0.99

01:18:14.460 this is what I've decided to do and I'm going to do it. And so it became generally known that

01:18:19.120 Barry was leaving to Paris, like everybody in Versailles kind of learned that this is what his

01:18:22.960 plan was. So there was a panicked exodus. People just like fled Versailles, like servants and lots

01:18:28.560 of people. Cause they're like, Oh, this is it. Like we're fucked and we're all going to be

01:18:32.180 murdered. So I'm going to run away. So like until Marie Antoinette didn't even know which of her 1.00

01:18:36.440 servants had left and had stayed until the next morning when she called for them. And she was 0.99

01:18:40.480 told that their room, their rooms were empty. The doors were locked. Madame Campon, her lady in

01:18:45.120 waiting who did stay, wrote terror had driven them away. Understandably, understandably, 0.74

01:18:50.420 Marie Antoinette did not flee. She knew that Barry needed her. He could not survive without

01:18:55.400 her there to support. She also didn't send her children away because if she had and news of

01:19:00.760 their departure had been disseminated, then it would sound like this was an attempt to subvert 0.89

01:19:05.700 the revolution because like her son, her one remaining son is now the Dauphin and he's the

01:19:11.000 future king and stuff. So Barry remained. Her new friend, her new close friend, Madame Elizabeth,

01:19:17.940 Barry's sister, also remained. She refused to abandon her brother. The aunts, who cares about

01:19:21.920 them? Guess what? They also stayed. And so did Barry's brother, Provence. And so the next day, 0.97

01:19:27.360 this is like a day, July 14th, Bastille, a couple more days. Now it's July 17th. And Barry went to

01:19:32.980 Paris. So he was escorted by Lafayette and the National Guard. And he went to make this speech

01:19:39.240 to congratulate the people of Paris on their revolution, I guess.

01:19:44.000 So he had a prepared statement that he read with a sad and anxious look.

01:19:48.200 And he said that he indicated his readiness to do everything in his power

01:19:51.660 to quiet their minds and restore tranquility to the city.

01:19:54.560 And then the mayor of Paris handed him a red and blue cockade,

01:19:58.720 the symbol of the revolution.

01:20:00.620 And Louis, or Barry, pinned this to the top of his hat on top.

01:20:04.020 Here he has a white cockade on,

01:20:05.260 because that's like the royal family has a white cockade.

01:20:07.860 It's like white cockade, red and blue on top of that.

01:20:10.460 And that is how the tricolor red, white, and blue cockade was born.

01:20:14.780 Lafayette described it as a fusion of the people mixed with the monarchy.

01:20:18.740 It's the red, white, and blue.

01:20:20.200 So then he stepped, Barry stepped out onto the balcony to show everybody,

01:20:23.160 hey, it's me, I'm wearing a cockade.

01:20:25.340 And people yelled at him for the first time in ages,

01:20:27.720 vive la roa, like long live the king, et cetera.

01:20:30.380 And this, it said, these shoes work like a tonic on him.

01:20:34.020 The king breathed again.

01:20:35.540 This is Madame Campagne writing.

01:20:37.460 The king breathed again at that moment and with tears in his eyes exclaimed that his heart stood

01:20:41.340 in need of such shouts from the people. And he was still alive. He went back to Versailles. His

01:20:47.800 family assumed that he would be murdered. They were so happy to see him. Like they all came

01:20:52.140 rushing down to embrace him all at once. And then it's kind of like things like in any sort of

01:20:57.540 series of intense crisis, there's quiet moments. And now it's a part where this is kind of like,

01:21:01.960 okay maybe everything's gonna be fine type moment um what happens fashion wise as i'm sure you can

01:21:07.080 imagine hats and also outfits the red white and blue becomes everything so like women are wearing

01:21:13.200 like a red white and blue dress um people were like you know that serious season of sex in the 0.99

01:21:17.660 city where carrie wore like really big fabric flowers for all people are like huge like the

01:21:21.960 rich wealthy like versa type people are wearing like huge cockades it's just like oh cockade it's

01:21:26.560 so cool right now everyone's doing this um even the aunties ordered red white and blue ribbons

01:21:31.620 to trim their dresses with they ordered a bunch of cockades for themselves and you're like wait

01:21:36.280 why are like the royal family wearing their cockades like why are Versailles people and

01:21:39.800 it's because it's hater nation because a cockade is like an anti-Marie Antoinette fashion statement 0.80

01:21:44.880 and even in the midst of everything that's happening the aunts and other members of

01:21:48.860 hater nation still hate Marie Antoinette and they're like we will side with the revolutionaries

01:21:53.500 because that's against Marie Antoinette that's how much we have always hated her so by now it

01:21:58.080 have been two months since Marie Antoinette's son had died. And so just because of societal

01:22:03.420 cultural rules, she stopped wearing her black morning colors. She could wear color again.

01:22:08.160 She did not wear the tricooler. She would have been very easily able to get her hands on some

01:22:14.700 of the three color hats and cockades because Rose Bertin was like making banks, selling 1.00

01:22:22.000 elegant cockades from her store, the Grand Mogul. There was a new trendy color,

01:22:28.700 Pantone's color of the year, Foulon's blood. So it was a shade of red named for a 70-year-old

01:22:34.340 nobleman called Foulon who had been murdered by revolutionaries. So everything's getting

01:22:38.660 pretty grisly in Paris. Marie Antoinette did not wear Foulon's blood color. She did not wear the

01:22:44.040 tricolor. She also, there's a trend to get necklaces or earrings set with stones from the

01:22:51.080 Bastille like Bastille stone like which is like rock it's not like jewels anyway she did not get

01:22:57.460 Bastille earrings there's also of course a hat called the bonnet a la Bastille which is like a

01:23:02.860 hat shaped with like towers on it like the Bastille hats like white satin towers there's also a

01:23:08.260 hairstyle slash poof called the coiffeur a la nation which is like a hairstyle with like

01:23:13.880 tricolor ribbons in the hair these are all the trends that are happening and for once the trends

01:23:18.340 are happening and Marie Antoinette is not starting them and she's also not following them.

01:23:21.880 She's dressing with consistency and she's dressing in a way like at the parade at the

01:23:27.880 Estates General. She's just like, I'm the queen and I'm going to dress like the queen. And like,

01:23:31.680 let's just, everyone's dressing the same and that's kind of fucking things up. So let's just

01:23:36.000 like restore queenly dressing. So she started wearing diamonds every day. Like she had been 0.99

01:23:42.060 in the petite train on clean girl era for a while. And then she got into her like mother era and then 0.53

01:23:46.720 the like dressing simply first time since all of that she started dressing very queenly with lots

01:23:52.000 of jewels um these jewels were communicating her role as queen to represent to remind everybody

01:23:58.740 that like a gap existed between her and them but the lines have been blurred partially by her 1.00

01:24:04.180 because when she started wearing the fuck dresses like the casual dresses everybody could dress like 0.99

01:24:08.660 that or even with the poofs like she started she's wearing the poofs and then like the actresses were 1.00

01:24:13.100 wearing the poofs and it was hard to tell what anyone's station was in life and she was just

01:24:16.400 like let's make these stations very separate again but it's like you can't unring that bell

01:24:21.040 so there was this um these sort of older times vogue magazine type things almanacs that came

01:24:27.540 around in a 1789 issue of one of these it presented a headdress called the bonnet of the three united

01:24:33.440 colors which it was explained it's like here's how it looks in here so you can make it for yourself

01:24:37.680 but it also explains this represents how in france we no longer have class distinctions

01:24:42.060 um everyone's the same in France now so it was like a white helmet shaped bonnet with a huge

01:24:47.680 cockade on it as well as it featured a golden sword like on this headdress the sword represents

01:24:53.280 the aristocracy and then a blue spade which represents the third estate and so the two of

01:24:58.100 together make a cross so it's like the three estates all together in a bonnet um there's

01:25:02.660 also the pouf a la tricouleur the pouf with a cockade in it and suddenly women were also wearing 0.96

01:25:09.420 um fuck dresses again like this became a way for women to differentiate themselves like the 0.88

01:25:15.680 women of the like new france to show like we're different from the silk and velvet and fur 1.00

01:25:21.820 that the royals wear so olden days vogue suggested wearing your long fuck dress you're like white 1.00

01:25:27.420 muslin gown called the chemise a la constitution maybe you can embroider it with little red white

01:25:32.660 and blue bouquets wear it with a wide red sash and then you look like the patriot that you are

01:25:37.500 And this is around the same time that previous vulgar history subject Theroyne de Maricor was on the scene being a notable revolutionary with her outfits.

01:25:49.280 So she wanted women to be able to join the National Guard. 1.00

01:25:53.040 And because they weren't allowed, she made her own like faux uniform out of like she wore this blue coat, a white scarf and a red cap on her head. 0.88

01:26:01.180 Which it kind of harkens back to Marie Antoinette when she would wear the androgynous masculine riding clothing that people thought was kind of.

01:26:06.820 So scandalous at the time. And even Theroyne de Mericourt's outfit made its way into olden times vogue as an outfit for a woman patriot. In August 1789, things are happening quickly. The assembly, the new governing body of France, founded on tennis court, they declared absolute freedom of the press. And this just led to even more shitty pamphlets and articles coming out about Marie Antoinette because there's no law against it anymore.

01:26:33.280 There's already there had already been so many when there was law against it. Now there's no law. So she just becomes even more this like everyone is united in hating her. That's kind of what's bringing together all of Paris. So the rumors were the usual ones we heard before about she's this like insatiable nymphomaniac who has all these orgies. She's all these lesbian lovers. There's also rumors that she was secretly running the government.

01:26:58.240 um and also remember the whole thing about like she was from austria and she was not trusted she 0.85

01:27:02.960 was the austrian um as the aunties called her when she first showed up so there was rumors that

01:27:09.820 because her brother was the holy roman emperor that like she was secretly um running france and

01:27:15.440 she was going to um allow austria to invade she had red hair if you i forget that sometimes because

01:27:22.560 all the paintings she has like the powder in her hair so it's gray or white but she had red hair 0.98

01:27:26.820 People knew she had red hair. 0.88

01:27:29.140 Madame DuBois used to call her carrots, and everything was coded. 1.00

01:27:32.940 Anyway, because Mary Antuna had red hair, she was compared to the famous evil redhead 0.70

01:27:37.880 person, Judas from the Bible, a famous traitor. 0.82

01:27:41.560 All people with red hair are traitors, apparently. 0.76

01:27:44.200 The aunties were, of course, paying for these pamphlets still, again. 0.95

01:27:48.860 Cartoons came out showing her as a harpy, showing her as the ostrich. 0.63

01:27:53.400 There's this one cartoon of her. 0.99

01:27:54.720 I think it's more of an ostrich because she's like the ostrichian, which technically means like the woman from Austria, but also sounds like the ostrich bitch. 0.96

01:28:03.360 So there's this cartoon of her as an ostrich stomping all over the newly released Declaration of the Rights of Man, which is a document that Thomas Jefferson in town from America had helped Lafayette and the others to write. 0.95

01:28:18.260 So all the stuff I'm talking about, this is like around the same time that Thomas Jefferson is in Paris.

01:28:24.000 We did an episode about, two episodes about Sally Hemmings, who was with Thomas Jefferson at this time.

01:28:29.400 So this is around the time that they all left because they were like, nothing good is going to happen here.

01:28:34.180 And the winters are cold.

01:28:35.520 And let's just go back to Virginia.

01:28:39.200 And I have, you can listen to those episodes later to learn more about what happened and how macaroni and cheese was invented and things.

01:28:45.520 That's the timeline of all this happening.

01:28:48.480 So people just like were hating Marie Antoinette.

01:28:52.780 it's like they hated her at the beginning of this episode they hated her midway through

01:28:57.000 the whole like madame deficit now they hate her even more like hatred of marie antoinette is just

01:29:02.560 like building to an extent like that no one could have ever seen coming it's bananas so there were

01:29:11.400 calls within paris for them to invade versailles to capture the king bring them to paris and

01:29:16.800 imprison or kill marie antoinette lafayette who's the head of the national guard is like he's like

01:29:22.480 no, I'm just here for like the declaration of the rights of man

01:29:24.620 and for like constitutional, you know,

01:29:26.540 like let's write constitution, not like murdering the queen.

01:29:30.560 So he was so cool with the people at Versailles to some extent.

01:29:34.120 So he's able to warn Barry's bodyguard,

01:29:37.300 a man called the Comte de Saint-Priest,

01:29:38.920 that this attempt was coming,

01:29:40.420 that people are going to come to Versailles to try and kidnap them.

01:29:43.680 So Saint-Priest only had 800 bodyguards in his squad.

01:29:48.220 So he arranged for a thousand more people

01:29:49.980 to be transferred from Flanders to Versailles.

01:29:52.200 This unit arrived September 23rd, 1789.

01:29:56.000 Two days later, Axel von Fursten shows up as well.

01:29:59.840 And when this guy shows up, like to me in this story, I feel the relief Marie Antoinette

01:30:03.960 must have felt to just be like, oh, thank God.

01:30:06.480 Like this guy knows what's going on.

01:30:07.700 This guy gives good advice.

01:30:08.760 He's also hot.

01:30:10.080 Maybe my lover, maybe my child's father.

01:30:12.540 Thank God he's here.

01:30:13.460 Like someone with sense.

01:30:15.180 So she was very relieved to have him there again.

01:30:17.540 um some priests noticed that Axel von Fursten continued to enjoy free access to her apartments

01:30:23.680 and a frequent rendezvous with her at Petite Trianon so he had use of the of an apartment

01:30:28.800 at Versailles and so this is where people who think that they were lovers which I honestly

01:30:33.920 don't know what I think I want them to have been because I want her to have had an experienced

01:30:42.320 skilled lover with her if that's what she wanted because Barry was not that and Axel Von Fersen 0.87

01:30:49.000 like before they got caught up with each other was a fuck boy and would have some certain skills 0.84

01:30:53.900 there's a new tv show coming out I don't know when it's called the Von Fersens and it's about 0.86

01:30:59.120 Axel Von Fersen and his sister and I don't know what his sister was about maybe I need to do an

01:31:03.320 episode about her but it's a Swedish tv show coming out soon exciting in the movie the Sofia

01:31:08.140 Coppola movie he's played by Jamie Dornan in his screen debut. Anyway, Mary Internet's got 10 days

01:31:13.980 with her hot boyfriend, and then everything goes to hell. So the problem begins when these 1,000 0.99

01:31:19.060 people come from Flanders to be their backup soldiers. And so as so many things in this story,

01:31:26.560 what happens is like, well, etiquette demands that we do this. So let's just do it, even though it's

01:31:31.300 maybe not a good idea. So tradition dictated that the Flanders people had to have a party in their

01:31:37.740 honor by the local army people. And so the bodyguards that Saint-Priest was in charge of,

01:31:44.300 they hosted a banquet October 1st for 200 officers of the Flanders people. I guess there's two units.

01:31:50.960 Anyway, a bunch of the Flanders soldiers were invited to this party and it was held in the

01:31:55.660 great theater of the palace, the only room large enough to hold everyone. I guess the tennis court,

01:31:59.840 not an option. There's a lot of wine because they're French people and they're having a nice

01:32:05.680 time. And Marie Antoinette and Barry were not there. It was just going to be like soldiers

01:32:09.560 only party. But the troops kept yelling, vive le roi. We want to see the king and queen.

01:32:14.760 And so one of the commanders went and were like, Barry, like Marie Antoinette, I think it would

01:32:19.720 be great for the morale if you guys came out and said hi. And Marie Antoinette thought like, oh,

01:32:23.660 I'll bring out the children too, to really bring home like, look, you're protecting us. We're a

01:32:27.140 family. I'm a mom. And so they came out and people to like, they came out into the lake where the

01:32:34.600 party was happening and the troops are so happy to see them um people are clapping they're just

01:32:39.800 like long live the king the queen the dauphin and the troops were all wearing white cockades to

01:32:45.700 represent we brought we support the monarchy or some of them wearing black cockades because that

01:32:49.840 was just like what they wore is kind of like mercenary troops after this party um hater nation

01:32:55.940 like they never sleep they never sleep they're on guard 24 hours a day rumors spread that marie

01:33:02.820 Antoinette had come out in this party. Um, and she encouraged everyone to stomp on tricolor 0.82

01:33:08.780 cockades, um, and yelling about like down with the revolution and stuff. Um, I think people are

01:33:14.800 also like, and it was kind of an orgy also. So everyone was like, Oh, the bodyguards are

01:33:19.560 anti-revolutionaries and the royal family is like triggering this all. So this, this party turns

01:33:25.980 into a huge scandal that everybody's really horrified by. That sounds like Marie Antoinette

01:33:30.080 was stomping on cockades which like we know how seriously these people take cockades and how did 0.81

01:33:35.380 these rumors spread who would have spread these rumors who's at Versailles at that time members

01:33:39.880 of Hater Nation got word to Ryan Phillippe who so Hater Nation themselves Ryan Phillippe other men

01:33:46.640 mostly disguised themselves as peasant women like Rochester and Jane Eyre and they went around to

01:33:53.340 taverns near Versailles and in Paris and just told the story like did you hear there was a party at

01:33:58.120 Versailles and Marie Antoinette was stomping on cockades and just getting everybody really riled

01:34:02.620 up against Marie Antoinette and Barry. And then like these fake peasant women who are actually 1.00

01:34:07.800 hater nation, like got the actual peasant women really upset. And when I say peasant women, 1.00

01:34:13.320 I mean the market ladies who, if you listen to the episodes we did about the French revolution, 1.00

01:34:17.980 like they don't fuck around. They will murder you with their wooden clogs. They are the market 1.00

01:34:22.420 ladies. And they're incensed. They're so mad about this cockade stomping. So October 5th, 0.74

01:34:30.120 the British ambassador in Paris was just like, Oh, what a nice day. He wakes up, he looks at his

01:34:35.220 window and he says, quote, I was much surprised and at first much entertained with a ludicrous 0.93

01:34:40.500 sight of a female army proceeding very clamorously, but in order and determined step toward Versailles. 0.65

01:34:46.200 I do not exaggerate when I assure your grace that there could have been, could not have been less

01:34:50.660 than 5,000 women who, armed with every weapon they could possibly pick up, proceeded on this

01:34:55.040 expedition. But then he says that his enjoyment faded quickly when he perceived they were followed

01:35:00.580 by numerous inhabitants, besides many detachments of the armed bourgeoisie. And in fact, it's market

01:35:07.340 ladies. It's the National Guard. Lafayette is there as well. Although even though he's the one

01:35:12.540 who kind of told Barry like heads up, this might happen. But Lafayette's not really in charge of

01:35:18.080 the National Guard. They basically said, come with us or we will kill you. And so Lafayette 0.99

01:35:22.860 came along as well. So at Versailles, some priest heard that this was happening. Like people,

01:35:28.180 someone wrote out there to tell them like, Hey, guess who's coming? Like tens of thousands of

01:35:31.560 market ladies and also the National Guard. And so he heard eight hours in advance that they were 0.94

01:35:37.440 coming. That's how long it takes to walk there, I guess. Barry was again, just like out doing his

01:35:41.100 normal, like shooting. And they were like, Barry, like return to the palace, like shit's going to 0.99

01:35:45.380 go down. So some priest recommended that Marie Antoinette and the children should be sent out 0.99

01:35:50.260 of town to this real estate, a Rambouillet, about 40 miles Southwest of Paris, which would be easier

01:35:55.920 to protect them because Versailles is kind of more open. And the whole thing with Versailles is like

01:35:59.740 it's open to public all the time anyway, but Rambouillet would be more easy to protect,

01:36:03.560 like more self-contained. And so some priest was like the queen and the kids should go there and

01:36:07.140 Barry can stay here with the bodyguards to, um, to meet the mob and try and like negotiate this

01:36:12.160 down. But, um, half the council, of course, were like, no, we should stay put. Um, the other half

01:36:19.120 of the council was like, yes, we should do this. So again, it's just like very not good at making

01:36:22.460 decisions. It's just like, what should I do? Cause there's no majority, majority of people

01:36:27.220 giving advice. And so the people who said you should just stay, we're like, well, the women

01:36:30.720 probably just want to present you with a petition. It's probably no big deal. So he didn't know what

01:36:35.520 to do. So he's just like Marie Antoinette. And he like went to find her. I think she's in Petite

01:36:38.800 treeing on just like hanging out with her like chickens or whatever. And she was like, what do

01:36:43.460 I think we should do? I think you and I and our children should get the fuck out of here. But he's 0.99

01:36:48.600 like, I'm staying. So she's like, well, then I'll stay because I can't leave you alone. And so Marie

01:36:54.820 Antoinette, Barry, their children, like they just stayed at Versailles because that's what they're

01:37:01.680 like, maybe this will go okay. And so the market ladies, these like hangry women coming down with 0.98

01:37:07.940 like weapons. And the, the market ladies had like pikes and like, I don't know, I feel like 1.00

01:37:12.900 sharpened brooms and like switchblade knives and their own wooden clogs and like makeshift weapons. 1.00

01:37:18.660 And then, but they were there with the national guard who had like all the guns they had gotten

01:37:21.880 from the Bastille and other places. And they were just like walking. It's a real sort of zombie vibe

01:37:26.740 where you're just like, this bad thing's going to happen in eight hours because they're walking

01:37:31.960 pretty slowly. So at Versailles, they're just like waiting, waiting to happen. So a member

01:37:38.680 of the national assembly who is at Versailles that evening said of Marie Antoinette, everyone

01:37:44.620 except Marie Antoinette seemed terrified. Marie Antoinette, according to this person said,

01:37:49.280 I know that the people have come from Paris to demand my head, but I learned from my mother

01:37:53.200 not to fear death. I shall await it with resolution. So this is really where the like

01:37:57.760 Maria Teresa Marie Antoinette's mother jeans are really kicking in for her so it had been raining 1.00

01:38:03.500 also so these like zombie market ladies are walking there for eight hours in the rain just 1.00

01:38:08.460 like gone starving furious um so they arrived at around seven o'clock that evening they announced

01:38:15.780 their presence at Versailles by shouting we shall bring back the queen dead or alive and so this is

01:38:20.160 another like in terms of hating of Marie Antoinette like they came to Versailles because they heard

01:38:25.720 that she stomped on cockades and they wanted to murder her. They weren't like the market ladies 0.99

01:38:31.280 and the national guard. They're not like down with the monarchy. Let's have a constitutional

01:38:35.320 democracy. They were like, fuck this woman. She stomped on cockades is what is motivating them. 1.00

01:38:41.700 So a note from Lafayette came just shortly after these first market ladies arrived. And what 1.00

01:38:47.620 Lafayette, who was in this march, remember, but he'd sent this message secretly ahead. So he wrote,

01:38:52.160 that he was aware that this was happening and he was bringing some other troops from the National

01:38:58.800 Guard to protect the royal family. So he advised the royal family, like, just wait until I get

01:39:03.960 there. Like, and I will protect you because this is all kinds of fucked up. So the royal family's 0.99

01:39:12.240 like servants, helpers locked the gates to the palace and then they send out the bodyguards

01:39:17.240 and the Flanders soldiers.

01:39:19.160 So at around midnight,

01:39:20.540 so this happened,

01:39:21.700 they locked the gates 0.99

01:39:22.320 and then the market ladies

01:39:23.220 and their attendants,

01:39:25.500 those National Guard members

01:39:26.520 couldn't get in.

01:39:27.640 Lafayette and the National Guard

01:39:28.860 themselves arrived at around midnight,

01:39:31.020 like the good National Guard.

01:39:33.160 And so at this time,

01:39:34.700 Lafayette went to speak to the king

01:39:37.320 and he's like,

01:39:37.760 you can trust me.

01:39:38.460 I give you my personal guarantee.

01:39:39.840 I'm loyal to you.

01:39:41.280 My troops are loyal to you.

01:39:42.480 And so the royal family trusted him

01:39:44.880 and then they just went

01:39:45.800 to their separate bedrooms

01:39:47.020 to sleep for the night. Lafayette stayed awake all night, posting sentries, and he didn't lie

01:39:53.100 down to rest until five o'clock in the morning. But as much as Lafayette thought he had taken care

01:40:00.060 of everything, he had not because when market ladies are on the scene, nothing's going to stop

01:40:04.400 them. So he went, by the time he went to sleep, it's like people knew, like the market ladies,

01:40:09.900 knew he'd gone to sleep. And then when he was asleep, the mob reassembled. And then as dawn

01:40:14.660 broke. The soldiers who Lafayette had said guard the royal family broke that promise and opened

01:40:22.820 the gate. And so at this point, the mob enters Versailles and they're storming it. And they know

01:40:27.860 the way around because remember Versailles was open to the public. The market ladies were there 0.97

01:40:31.320 all the time anyway. So they were looking in every room to try to find Barry and Marie Antoinette. 0.99

01:40:36.220 They called them the baker and the baker's wife for bread-based reasons. So royal guards were

01:40:42.240 there, the Royal Guards trying to stop them. The Royal Guards were attacked with muskets, 0.99

01:40:46.720 daggers, and broomsticks. Two soldiers were killed in this first melee. Their heads were

01:40:52.320 put on pikes and carried around, which is just like, that's just what you do in this time and

01:40:56.060 place. Some people claim Ryan Phillippe himself was in the mob, dressed in his cosplay as a

01:41:03.100 regular person, leading the way to Marie Antoinette's bedroom. I would not doubt that,

01:41:09.660 But I also think he might want to stay out of a mob that could quickly turn murderous against him.

01:41:16.400 But certainly the people there were Ryan Phillippe's supporters.

01:41:19.520 And Marie Antoinette was absolutely their main target.

01:41:21.940 So the mob broke through the doors.

01:41:23.300 So like to get to her room, it's like, there's like an outer room, then an outer room.

01:41:26.880 There's like a series of doors you have to get through to get to her bedroom.

01:41:29.640 So the mob broke through the first door and massacred two of her bodyguards.

01:41:33.680 And they screamed, the queen's apartment. 0.81

01:41:35.280 We've come for the queen's skin so we can make ribbons for our cockades. 0.99

01:41:40.520 And at that morning, there was four ladies-in-waiting on duty. 0.78

01:41:44.600 One of them was the sister of Madame Campan, who's one of the memoirists who we know all these things from.

01:41:50.240 So Madame Campan related what her sister did.

01:41:53.160 So upon hearing these cries of like, we will skin Marie Antoinette to make cockades of her flesh, Madame Campan's sister flew to the place from which the tumult seemed to proceed.

01:42:04.820 She opened the door and beheld one of the bodyguards holding his musket across the door and attacked by a mob who were striking at him.

01:42:10.940 His face was covered with blood. 0.99

01:42:12.180 He turned around and exclaimed, save the queen, madame. 0.83

01:42:14.460 They are come to assassinate her.

01:42:16.400 And so Madame Kempen's sister ducked back through the door, slammed it shut, pulled the bolt up against it.

01:42:22.100 And then she did the same with the next room into the queen's inner rooms. 0.99

01:42:25.780 Marie Antoinette was asleep in bed, but she woke up the queen to say, get up, madame. 1.00

01:42:28.960 Don't dress yourself. 1.00

01:42:29.780 Go to the king's apartment.

01:42:31.440 She didn't have time to dress at all.

01:42:33.500 So she's got up in her nightgown and headed out.

01:42:35.260 So there was a secret passageway who way, way back when she and Barry were first married

01:42:41.460 and they were trying to like figure out how sex worked.

01:42:44.180 There was a whole thing where like Barry would have to walk all the way across in front of 0.94

01:42:48.940 public people to get to her room.

01:42:50.800 And like that gave him so much stress and anxiety that he couldn't like sexually perform

01:42:54.480 or whatever.

01:42:54.940 So they made a secret sex tunnel between Marie Antoinette's room and Barry's room. 0.97

01:42:59.500 And so she was, okay, let's go through the secret sex tunnel.

01:43:02.080 so they that's how she escaped from her bedroom from the mom so she like ran down the hallway

01:43:09.200 with my sister and other people to Barry's other end but his door was locked from the inside and

01:43:15.520 he was so afraid that it was like someone's trying to break in it took her 10 minutes to convince him

01:43:18.920 to open his door on that side but he did and a legend has it that overnight this is when Marie

01:43:26.020 Antoinette's hair turned white from the shock. She was 33 years old and she'd had hair issues 1.00

01:43:32.680 for a while. And she certainly had white hair later on, but I think she might've had graying 1.00

01:43:37.480 hair before this. Anyway, if her hair turned white, I don't, that would be completely understandable

01:43:41.920 from the shock and horror of all of this. So she was gone. They couldn't even see that there even

01:43:47.180 was a secret sex store. So the market ladies got into her room, she's gone. And what they did, 0.98

01:43:51.660 she was not there, but they had so much fury and hatred for her that they just trashed her room.

01:43:56.180 They like stabbed her bed, broke her mirrors, just taking out all their fury. Like they blamed

01:44:02.420 Marie Antoinette for everything that was wrong with the country and wrong with their lives.

01:44:06.120 And if she wasn't there to murder, then they were going to just like destroy her room,

01:44:10.400 which represented her. Meanwhile, so Marie Antoinette is, she made it to Barry's room. 0.72

01:44:15.220 Her children also were made there at their governess, who's no longer Madame Polignac.

01:44:19.960 it's this new person. Madame de Tourzel is the new governess, and she does a great job. I want

01:44:26.260 to talk about her more in the next couple of episodes. Anyway, so Madame Kempan wrote about

01:44:30.520 this. The queen saw her children again. The reader must imagine this scene of tenderness and despair.

01:44:36.080 So at this point, she's got the one son and the one daughter. She's there with her husband. They're

01:44:39.920 all alive. Lafayette woke up by now, and he got some soldiers who he trusted to calm down the mob

01:44:47.620 a bit and prevent further massacres of the bodyguards. He, Lafayette, was allowed to go

01:44:52.880 to Barry's rooms to personally protect the royal family. Saint-Priest, the head of the bodyguards,

01:44:59.480 wrapped him. So Lafayette is there with them. And then Saint-Priest, the head of the bodyguards,

01:45:04.380 put on a disguise, like a fake jacket. I don't know who he took it off of. And then he snuck

01:45:09.720 inside of the royal suite as well. And he described Barry in that room in a state of

01:45:15.400 stupefaction which is difficult to describe or even to imagine so barry was just having one of

01:45:20.480 his like overly stimulated like shut down type moments but he's alive so but there's still people

01:45:28.160 outside so they're safe in this royal room they've got guards who they can trust but the mob is like

01:45:31.880 still there so the people outside demanded to see the king um on the balcony and so he went out and

01:45:38.680 then they demanded to see the queen so marie antoinette went out as well lafayette went out

01:45:42.680 onto the balcony to try and calm them down. But the crowd was just yelling, to Paris, to Paris.

01:45:47.900 They just wanted the king and queen to come back with them to Paris. There were even some musket

01:45:52.420 shots fired from the courtyard, which apparently shockingly struck nobody. And when Marie Antoinette

01:45:58.680 was standing in the balcony, one onlooker recalled that her courage and just her nobility,

01:46:04.780 and remember her whole thing, her perfect posture, the way that she could stand so elegantly.

01:46:08.400 people found that she just looked so impressive that it did kind of calm people down a little bit

01:46:13.140 and eventually the royal family agreed to go to paris because they really had no choice and so

01:46:17.560 they're like okay we'll come with you to paris and when marie antoinette saw sam priest like

01:46:23.880 through this whole this whole situation like now they had to go to paris she saw him and she said

01:46:28.680 oh monsieur sam priest why did we not go away last night and he said it was no fault of mine

01:46:34.080 And she said, I know that well, like this was their chance to escape and they did not.

01:46:40.180 And now they know that.

01:46:42.140 So royal carriages were prepared, which like takes a while.

01:46:44.740 They have a lot of stuff to bring.

01:46:46.080 And the royal family set off in the early afternoon in this like wild procession.

01:46:51.260 So it was like the royal family in their carriages, but also market ladies, the national guard

01:46:56.240 carrying heads on pikes, like just bananas, wild procession.

01:47:01.700 As well, the procession included huge supplies of grain from the storerooms, which that was part of the market ladies thing was they had believed rumors that Versailles had secret amounts of grain and bread that they were keeping to intentionally starve the people of Paris, which it's like not really, but they were keeping a lot of grain and bread there to feed themselves.

01:47:19.880 So they're taking that with them to Paris as well. This was a 12 mile journey, which moved extremely slowly because of the amount of people who were there who were walking. So again, it's like eight hours to get into Paris usually takes a lot shorter. And so Lafayette and the other soldiers are like ostensibly guarding the royal family. But, you know, a lot of people are still want to mess with them.

01:47:41.500 Like mob members swarmed around and clung to the carriage wheels.

01:47:45.720 I don't know if they're just like going around in circles or just kind of like slowing it down or whatever.

01:47:51.280 The severed heads of the two bodyguards were carried on pikes at the head of the procession just outside the window of the king and queen's carriage.

01:47:58.300 And the mob was cheering. We are bringing back the baker, the bakeress and the little baker boy.

01:48:03.480 Anyway, Marie Antoinette was reported as making a point of speaking calmly to the people outside of the carriage during this whole thing, just trying to reassure them the king has never desired anything but the happiness of his people.

01:48:18.360 Many evil things have been told to you about us.

01:48:21.240 They were said by those who wish you harm.

01:48:23.480 So she was saying these things.

01:48:24.520 Barry was still nonverbal at this point.

01:48:27.500 At one point en route, the procession stopped at this one town where there were hairdressers who they forced to style the dead guard head's hair into powdered poofs and then held these like up to Marie Antoinette's window.

01:48:41.200 I guess it's kind of like, I think it ties into the whole like baker and his wife flower thing, maybe hearkening back to when she was wearing her like flower covered poofs and people were starving for Brad. 0.98

01:48:54.180 they're just like, this is anyway, they just wanted to fuck with her. Um, and they held up 0.98

01:48:59.240 these heads on pikes of her actual bodyguards. When one person lunged too close to her in the

01:49:03.680 carriage, Marie Antoinette said, somebody get that sans culotte away from me. This was meant 0.91

01:49:09.220 as an insult, but you might know if you know what the French revolution from this podcast or other

01:49:15.020 things, the revolutionaries called themselves sans culotte, which means not wearing culottes,

01:49:22.000 which doesn't mean they're not wearing pants. It means they're wearing long flowy palazzo pant

01:49:26.640 trousers, not little knickers, not little culottes. So Marie Antoinette actually, by saying,

01:49:31.400 get that sans culotte away from me, inspired them to start being like, we're going to own that

01:49:35.780 ourself. You know, like taking a phrase that people used as an insult, but turning it into

01:49:39.560 a thing of pride. So like, again, the trendsetter Marie Antoinette, she, she popularized sans culotte.

01:49:46.620 In one of the characters behind was her bestie, Axel Von Furson, who was coming along just to

01:49:51.920 support her, really. The aunties were also there. Provence, Barry's younger brother was there and

01:49:57.280 other members of the royal household. Axel Von Fursten later recalled, God keep me from ever

01:50:02.560 again seeing so afflicting a sight as that of those two days. It was a traumatizing time for all.

01:50:09.660 And so as for Marie Antoinette, like it had been 48 hours of terror, absolute mayhem. She was

01:50:16.720 convinced she was going to die for most of it. And this only really solidified her determination

01:50:22.060 to pursue the strategy that she'd been trying to get Barry to do from the beginning of this 0.68

01:50:26.940 unrest situation, which was to get the fuck out of there, to withdraw, to raise an army somewhere 0.63

01:50:32.920 safe, to get her family to help out and to return with sufficient force to reestablish Barry 0.97

01:50:37.720 on his throne as the king. And next week we'll see how that goes for her. So yeah, this is,

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Vulgar History - September 24, 2025

Marie Antoinette (part three)： Reputation's Never Been Worse

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