Vulgar History - May 24, 2023


Mary, Queen of Scots: Part One: Birth of a Queen

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00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to Vulgar History, a feminist women's history comedy podcast. My name is
00:00:16.940 Anne Foster, and this is a very special episode. So this season, we're looking at the story
00:00:23.120 of Mary Queen of Scots. It's a season called There's Something About Mary Queen of Scots.
00:00:27.300 and this is the first episode where we're actually talking about Mary Queen of Scots
00:00:30.500 herself in a direct way. We've previously talked about her grandmother, Margaret Tudor,
00:00:35.140 her mother, Marie de Guise, her mother-in-law, Catherine de' Medici, and today we're talking
00:00:39.440 about Mary herself, or beginning a long journée of discussing the whole situation of Mary Queen
00:00:46.540 of Scots. And I do want to say, because she's kind of like a big name, and so some people
00:00:50.600 might be listening to this, and this is your first time listening to Vulgar History or whatever,
00:00:53.940 So just so you know, what's, what's going on? My name is Anne. Hi. And what this podcast is doing
00:01:00.860 is talking about the stories of women in history in a way where there's jokes. We have a nice time.
00:01:08.180 There are some, some strange seeming to you, maybe a newcomer inside jokes that like,
00:01:13.680 if you listen to other episodes, you'll get it. But anyway, like I'm going to swear,
00:01:17.300 I'm going to talk very conversationally. That's the deal. That's what this podcast is about.
00:01:21.160 There's so many other podcasts that tell stories of people, including the story of America
00:01:26.340 of Scots in a very like historical scripted way.
00:01:30.560 And if that's what you want, that's not what I'm giving you.
00:01:34.100 I'm here to have a casual chat.
00:01:36.720 And I also see this podcast as kind of a dialogue.
00:01:39.640 So even there's a couple of things I'm going to bring up in this episode that in previous
00:01:43.080 episodes this season, I got some facts not quite right.
00:01:45.660 And so I welcome well-intentioned corrections, especially of historical facts that I just
00:01:51.320 like flat out get wrong.
00:01:52.860 And I'm going to mention some of those in this episode.
00:01:54.940 Anyway, I hope you're here for a good time because I mean, Mary Queen has got the story.
00:02:00.760 It's famous.
00:02:01.680 And what's interesting about it is she's always been a person or she's for a long time been
00:02:04.940 a person I've been interested in.
00:02:06.200 You should also know if you're a newcomer to this podcast that the TV show Rain, I consider
00:02:10.320 to be the finest television series ever made.
00:02:13.040 So I'm going to be mentioning that as well a lot.
00:02:15.080 and honestly it was that show that first started me kind of learning more about mary queen of scots
00:02:20.100 because the whole story there's so many people in it it's just less it's like a historical
00:02:24.600 enthusiast there's other stories that are more straightforward to understand like um i feel like
00:02:29.120 the story of i don't cleopatra or something or if you even the story of henry the eighth and his
00:02:34.640 six wives like there's a narrative there that you can distill in a bridge to explain it pretty well
00:02:41.600 Mary Queen of Scots' story and why I've held off doing it on this podcast for so long, even though
00:02:46.240 she's a person who is of great interest to me, is that it is so complicated. There's like we're in
00:02:51.380 multiple different countries, like there's so many characters. And in this episode, episode one,
00:02:57.040 we're going to be focusing on the early years of her story, which is, I have to say, from just my
00:03:03.120 past research I've done, and then in researching this podcast as well, I realized it's something
00:03:06.960 that I hadn't really dived into a lot. And it's not a thing that people tend to dwell on when
00:03:12.120 you're retelling her story in things like movies or biographies, because stuff happens certainly,
00:03:18.100 but it's kind of like the next part of her story is where things kind of get more, I don't know,
00:03:24.440 like there's an impression that things get not more interesting, but more kind of like
00:03:27.760 hella novella adjacent. But I'm going to say it was like that from the beginning for sure. But
00:03:33.480 Anyway, I was preferring this podcast and I'm like, I have a story, blah, blah, blah.
00:03:36.920 But I was looking back at like past things I've written about Mary Cream of Scots.
00:03:39.840 And I have like a sentence or two being like, yeah, she grew up in France and then she came back to Scotland.
00:03:43.560 So it's like, thanks past me for not really delving into this.
00:03:47.160 But also, you know what?
00:03:47.920 Thanks past me.
00:03:48.860 Because since the last time I researched this, there's more books have come out that really tell her story in new and interesting ways.
00:03:55.120 And it was really, I was just sending messages to a friend of the podcast and frequent collaborator, Lana Wood Johnson,
00:04:02.900 and being like, oh my God, Lana, did you know this?
00:04:04.480 Did you know this?
00:04:05.060 And Lana, Mary Kuno Scots is also one of her girls.
00:04:07.700 That's also a person in history.
00:04:09.380 Like she's read and reread the classic
00:04:11.240 Antonia Frazier biography of Mary Kuno Scots over and over.
00:04:14.320 And there's details I was saying Lana
00:04:15.360 that she also didn't know.
00:04:16.560 Like, so this is the story.
00:04:18.560 And I'm gonna be telling this from a point of view
00:04:20.340 of explaining everything.
00:04:22.200 Because even to people who know the story,
00:04:25.060 like myself, like a refresher is useful.
00:04:28.200 But also I have been reminded by two different people
00:04:31.500 actually have messaged me in the last little while last few months listeners members of the
00:04:35.920 tits out brigade new listeners just so you know the fandom of this podcast it's called a tits out
00:04:41.020 brigade and they are a brigade and they're impressive and great people and welcome now
00:04:45.780 you're one of them if you're listening to this you're in the brigade anyway so two tits of brigade
00:04:49.440 members separately messaged me just to say like they're enjoying the podcast obviously i mean
00:04:54.220 that's why they're in the brigade but also i haven't ever done an episode about queen elizabeth
00:04:59.840 the first for instance I did a whole season previously about Lady Jane Grey and Elizabeth
00:05:03.960 appears there here and there she's popped up in a couple other episodes too generally just being
00:05:09.160 mad that somebody got married without her permission but these people were saying like
00:05:12.280 yeah actually I don't know this like they don't didn't know the story of Queen Elizabeth so they're
00:05:15.760 kind of coming at it sideways from me inserting her as sort of a tertiary character in these other
00:05:20.320 people's stories and one of them mentioned that they kind of don't really know the story of Anne
00:05:24.180 Boleyn either and I was like you know what I can't assume anyone listening to this knows any facts so
00:05:29.160 I'm just going to try to explain everything. And I hope that it's, you know, if you do know this
00:05:33.180 story really well, especially I know people in Scotland who like know the story really well and
00:05:38.360 the place names and the pronunciations, like please know I'm doing my best. And yeah, so this
00:05:43.660 is part one of numerous episodes about Mary herself, because I thought I was going to be
00:05:49.180 able to cover twice as much in this today's episode as I was able to, because there's a lot,
00:05:54.780 there's a lot this is going to be numerous episodes and I wanted to let you know also
00:05:59.220 so I always do my best to cite my sources when I am doing these episodes so if you want to
00:06:06.760 read more about this so I got my facts from a variety of places including wikipedia.com
00:06:14.260 a website that I don't know now in the age of like chat gpt I feel like I feel like the way
00:06:19.400 that people are like oh wikipedia the information's not good don't use it as a source it's like yeah
00:06:23.100 like anything like any source it's like fallible and it relies on the information that's given to
00:06:28.320 it by people but like it's then like vetted versus chat gpt which i've heard or seen people have been
00:06:34.360 using for like historical research and chat gpt is like inventing fake book names and like getting
00:06:41.040 main facts wrong anyway you know what wikipedia.org i respect them i give them a monthly donation
00:06:47.700 and I'm not gonna hear any slander about them not being good. I like them as sort of like a
00:06:53.260 first line of defense. And I just a lot of what I use them for in this was just like fact checking.
00:06:57.280 I'm like, wait, who's that one? Wait, who is this person called James? Reader or listener.
00:07:02.340 Like in the Mary Queen of Scots Wikipedia page, there are 44 mentions of the name James,
00:07:07.780 and they're not all about one person. There's a lot of people in this story, all called James.
00:07:12.040 So this is where I'm just like, he's the Earl of what? Wait, who is that? So fact checking is
00:07:15.760 why I was using them. The main books. So there's a book that a listener sent to me, and I'm so
00:07:20.500 sorry, I don't have your name offhand. It's somewhere in my messages, but I super appreciate
00:07:24.100 this. It's somebody who, I forget if they're like either in Scotland or they visited Scotland and
00:07:28.360 they saw that this book was in the gift shops and it's called Mary Was Here, where Mary Queen of
00:07:32.240 Scots went and what she did there. It's a publication put up by Historic Scotland. So
00:07:36.520 it's sort of like a large gift book with lots of pictures in it. And it like goes castle by castle
00:07:41.700 and also retelling the story of Mary Queen of Scots.
00:07:43.920 And that's so, it's such a lovely book.
00:07:45.720 And thank you so much to that person
00:07:46.800 who like couriered that to me.
00:07:49.040 There's also a book called Embroidering Her Truth,
00:07:51.040 Mary Queen of Scots in the Language of Power
00:07:52.980 by Claire Hunter,
00:07:53.900 which is a book all about textiles and embroidery
00:07:56.980 and Mary Queen of Scots.
00:07:58.060 And that's going to be something, pardon the pun,
00:08:00.320 that's going to be woven throughout the whole story 1.00
00:08:01.880 because she was a big embroiderer 0.97
00:08:03.520 and textiles are a big step part of this story.
00:08:06.000 So that's a recent-ish book.
00:08:07.420 I think it came out last year in the UK
00:08:09.820 and it's just coming out in North America soon.
00:08:11.700 I also looked at a book called Daughters of the North, Jean Gordon and Mary Queen of Scots by Jennifer Morag Henderson, which talks more about other parts of Scotland besides just Edinburgh where Mary went. And then also the biography Mary Queen of Scots, The True Life of Mary Stewart. Sometimes it is different titles. Sometimes it's just called Queen of Scots. Sometimes it's called Mary Stewart. Anyway, it's by John Guy, G-U-Y. And that's the book that was, I guess, optioned. And it was the basis for this Saoirse Ronan, Mary Queen of Scots movie.
00:08:39.700 anyway it's like a very thorough biography of Mary Queen of Scots and my first correction like
00:08:46.720 we're getting into the the story Christina that's our editor Christina Lomagui can you put a time
00:08:51.980 stamp to say actual discussion Mary Queen of Scots starts at however many minutes this is in case
00:08:57.840 people want to just like skip right there anyway so my first correction is in the episode I believe
00:09:03.660 the Mary Marie de Guise episode and that's Mary Queen of Scots's mom there was a some incorrect
00:09:09.280 information given in that episode about who was the first king of Scots. In that episode,
00:09:15.760 we said that it was Robert the Bruce. And that is incorrect. I was corrected by two different
00:09:21.860 Scottish people. And I'm here to explain to you better about the history of monarchy in Scotland.
00:09:27.940 And this is, it ties into the whole story. Because you know, Mary Queen of Scots is called
00:09:31.620 Mary Queen of Scots. She's not called Mary Queen of Scotland. So it's always been a role that's
00:09:37.180 monarch of the people, not of the land, which is a distinction that is important. So according to
00:09:44.120 tradition, the first king of Scots was Kenneth McAlpin, who founded the state in 843. So like
00:09:53.340 the year 843. And originally this was the kingdom of the Picts, which became known as the kingdom
00:09:59.260 of Alba in Scottish Gaelic, which later became known in Scots. Scots being its own language,
00:10:05.720 which is different from English, but kind of sounds like English with a really strong accent
00:10:09.380 the same way that, I don't know, like German kind of sounds like English with an accent.
00:10:15.560 Anyway, so Scots and English during the kingdom of Alba started calling it Scotland. And Kenneth
00:10:21.720 McAlpin, first king of Scots. And then, you know, England, I said this out loud as just like
00:10:29.560 thinking to myself in a previous episode where it's like, was England and Scotland just kind
00:10:32.880 always at war? Yes. Listeners, yes. Because they share a land border that it's not like there's a
00:10:40.580 river. It's not like it's too different. Like, it's just like now you're in Scotland, now you're in
00:10:44.240 England. It's like, of course, that would kind of go back and forth where exactly the border is.
00:10:47.820 And there'd be fighting. Kenneth MacAlfman, first king of the Scots. And then England took over for
00:10:51.940 a while. But then in 1306, Robert the Bruce, he successfully won the land back from England.
00:10:59.240 and then his grandson was okay robert the bruce had a daughter called marjorie great name love
00:11:10.800 the name marjorie is that not a taylor swift song title anyway so robert the bruce had a daughter
00:11:15.860 called marjorie marjorie married basically there's a whole thing about like the stewart
00:11:21.500 family she married someone who was a stewart and then that kind of like combined the bruce family
00:11:26.980 with the Stuart family. And so then the first Stuart monarch was Robert the Stuart in 1371.
00:11:33.680 So Robert the Stuart was the grandson of Robert the Bruce. So there's a thing about the Stuart
00:11:40.300 dynasty kind of started with a lass, started with a woman and that woman was Marjorie. And then later
00:11:46.600 people are going to be like, it started with, it went in with a lass and it went out with a lass
00:11:50.400 and the the lass or girl which i think lass is scott's word for girl was marjorie the daughter
00:11:56.960 of robert the bruce so it's like robert the bruce had a daughter called marjorie marjorie married
00:12:00.900 a guy and then their son was actually her spouse was walter stewart the sixth high stewart of
00:12:09.460 scotland so marjorie and walter had a baby and that baby was king robert the second of scotland
00:12:16.700 the first Stuart monarch. Okay. And I'm just going to say now, hot take. Based on what I've
00:12:21.760 been reading, the Stuart dynasty was a disaster, top to bottom, T to B. There was, and I don't mean
00:12:28.560 them personally doing things that were disastrous. It's just like, I think there's kind of a curse
00:12:32.780 because shitty things just kept happening to like almost all of the Stuart monarchs. So Robert the
00:12:41.700 Stuart. He was like in his 40s or 50s when he came to power. So he couldn't rule, quote,
00:12:47.560 vigorously, because I guess maybe he had some illnesses or things. And then his son, also
00:12:53.000 called Robert, suffered lasting damage in a horse riding accident. So he also wasn't able to rule,
00:12:57.740 quote, vigorously. And then there was a series of regencies, like a bunch of just like a boy
00:13:04.660 king i think it was yeah five boy kings happened and so when you have a boy king then someone
00:13:14.600 needs to be the regent right someone needs to do the like day-to-day ruling type stuff and enter 0.85
00:13:20.520 the scottish asshole lords who we've mentioned before in the marie de guise episode if you 0.70
00:13:26.560 haven't heard those episodes yet just know there's these men who are the nobles of scotland 0.99
00:13:32.600 and they're just like this amorphous blob of just suck they're just they're the scottish 0.73
00:13:37.700 and they got more and more power because every time the new king ended up being a boy because 1.00
00:13:44.060 the dad died then they were like oh well you know the king is a child so like we the asshole lords 0.97
00:13:49.560 we need to rule in his debt so they just kind of like over like generationally just acquired more 0.97
00:13:53.720 and more sort of power and influence so yeah they just kind of usurped power from the crown
00:13:59.620 And then when that boy king, like these five boy kings, when they were adults, they would try to attempt to address the issues created by having been a boy king, but then they would die leaving the next boy king.
00:14:11.740 And it just like kept happening. 0.98
00:14:13.860 So the powerful nobility became increasingly intractable, a word which here means assholes. 0.99
00:14:20.700 Then we have James I. 0.95
00:14:22.440 So he attempted to, you know, straighten this out, curb the disorder of the realm, and he was assassinated.
00:14:28.820 and then there's james the second this is of scotland james the second of england whole other
00:14:34.680 guy years later james the third king of scots was killed in a civil war between himself and the
00:14:41.120 nobility the civil war was led by his son james the fourth so james the fourth he like did an okay 0.86
00:14:49.500 job of suppressing the asshole lords and like trying to be like okay like i'm gonna be the king 0.97
00:14:54.500 and I'm going to have some power here. Let's go. He was the one who was married to Margaret Tudor, 0.99
00:14:59.640 the sister of Henry VIII. But then James IV died in a battle. And then Margaret Tudor
00:15:05.620 kind of stepped up to be regent for this next boy king. But eventually she was unseated by
00:15:11.400 the asshole lords. And that boy king, the son of Margaret Tudor, was Mary Queen of Scots dad, 0.99
00:15:17.180 James V, or as I'm going to call him, J-5. So J-5 married a French woman whose name was
00:15:25.100 Marie de Guise. He also, prior to that, and during that, I'm going to say, had a whole lot
00:15:31.820 of illegitimate children. So Mary Queen of Scots, numerous half-siblings, several of whom they're
00:15:37.680 going to come up in the story, but Mary Queen of Scots was the first legitimate child, like born 0.90
00:15:41.380 to the wife of J5. And here we are, she's born. So Mary, she was born on December 8th, 1542 at 0.96
00:15:49.840 Linliscoe Palace in Scotland. And so I was telling you about that book that was written by like
00:15:54.460 Historic Scotland. And it talks about all the palaces and like where, where Mary went and when
00:15:59.000 and she went to so many different places. I feel like one of her legacies is just to the tourism
00:16:05.560 industry of Scotland because she went to so many places and every place can be like American Scots
00:16:10.520 was here. So if you're there, if you visit there, one of the places to visit would be
00:16:14.720 Linlithgow Palace. So that is where she was born. It was snowy because it was Scotland
00:16:19.880 in December. And I'm not going to like architecturally describe all the palaces because
00:16:24.640 there's like 75 characters to tell you about also. But Linlithgow is notable and it recurs.
00:16:30.380 So I'm just going to tell you what's up with it a little bit. So Marie-Claire Scots' mom,
00:16:34.360 Marie de Guise was born and raised in France, very French person. She loved, she was also from
00:16:40.560 the de Guise family who were like wealthy and powerful. And Marie de Guise, she liked French
00:16:44.700 architectural style. She liked French fashion style. And so she had redesigned Linlithgow
00:16:50.720 Palace, which was already kind of like built in like kind of a quasi French style, but she had
00:16:55.000 redesigned it in the manner of a French chateau. So this was one of her, her fave places to go.
00:16:59.780 Like she did not want to be in Scotland, but if she was going to be there, she's going to make
00:17:03.200 it feel like home to her. And just a moment to pause and talk about her de Guise family,
00:17:08.440 because they're very important. And if you haven't listened to the Marie de Guise episodes yet,
00:17:12.480 here's what's up. So the de Guise family, one of the most powerful noble families in France,
00:17:17.420 it comprised of a lot of very powerful men, which some of these were her uncle, some of these were
00:17:25.700 her brothers, all under the leadership, like the matriarch of his family was Marie de Guise's mom,
00:17:31.840 Antoinette de Bourbon, who was very powerful and good at what she did and like really allowed this
00:17:40.100 family to just like rise and rise and rise and keep flourishing. I was going to almost do an
00:17:44.420 episode about Antoinette de Bourbon, but it wasn't a vulgar history episode because she just like did 1.00
00:17:48.980 great. There's not any sort of drama when she was faced with a challenge, like she met it and
00:17:54.400 overcame it. It's a good way to live your life, but like not a vulgar history type story.
00:18:00.160 So Mary Queen of Scots is born in Linlithgow Palace.
00:18:03.440 Her mom, Maria de Guise.
00:18:04.920 Her dad, J5, not on the scene for her birth because he was off fighting the English.
00:18:10.620 There's a whole thing, and long-time listeners of this podcast know,
00:18:14.580 I'm not here to share you the stories of battles and paperwork of treaties,
00:18:21.960 but there's some that I'm going to have to describe to you in this podcast
00:18:25.280 because otherwise the story won't make any sense.
00:18:27.100 So just know, if you picture geographically, we've got like England, Scotland is to the
00:18:33.120 north of England, and then France is like to the east of that.
00:18:38.000 They're all kind of close together.
00:18:40.260 And so the Scots considered England the old enemy, and old is spelled A-U-L-D, which is
00:18:47.200 the word in, I'm going to guess, Scots language.
00:18:50.040 So because England and Scotland had been at war on and off for hundreds of years, right?
00:18:56.260 Scotland was an ally of the French. French was an ally of Scotland. And the main thing they had in
00:19:02.440 common was Scotland and France both just hated England. And so France kind of saw like Scotland
00:19:08.000 could be kind of like little France, like France could maybe kind of make that be France. And then
00:19:13.920 once they had that, then they could maybe take over England. Whereas England was like, we could
00:19:17.360 take over Scotland and then we can take over France. So England and France, much bigger, more
00:19:23.180 powerful countries. Both have their eyes on Scotland. And so Scotland, they're allied with
00:19:29.800 the French against the English, basically. This is why Mary's dad, J5, had married a French woman,
00:19:35.740 Marie de Guise, just to kind of like keep that alliance like clear in everyone's minds. And so
00:19:40.080 just for contrast, England at this point, like the 16th century, had a population of around 3.5
00:19:46.180 million. Scotland had a population at this time of around 850,000. So England is much bigger.
00:19:51.760 There's more people there, more population density.
00:19:54.660 At this point in Edinburgh, which was the largest Scottish town in the like south, the lowlands of Scotland, there's about 13,000 people there, which was about one fifth the population of London.
00:20:06.900 So England was just like a bigger place.
00:20:08.960 France, also a bigger place, more people.
00:20:13.120 But Scotland was just located in this really useful spot that both England and France kind of wanted it, wanted to take over.
00:20:21.760 And let's talk about Scotland in this era for a minute, because that's also important. I mentioned
00:20:25.980 the lowlands before. So between about a third and half of the population lived in the Highlands,
00:20:31.540 which is like towards the north of Scotland. If you think about things like Outlander,
00:20:36.920 the TV show, like that's the Highlands. So about a third to a half of the population lived there,
00:20:43.860 wearing their kilts, speaking their own language, having their clans. And then the rest of the
00:20:50.220 population, so two-thirds-ish, lived in the more prosperous and cosmopolitan lowlands region.
00:20:56.820 So the king, J5, was advised by the Asshole Lords, aka technically the Scottish Parliament.
00:21:02.660 And this was meant to represent the whole country, but it did not. So the Highland clans,
00:21:09.020 as you may know, again, from Outlander, which is like 200 years set after this, or like the movie
00:21:15.640 musical Brigadoon. So the Highland clans considered themselves separate. And there was an unspoken
00:21:21.520 rule that the Highlanders and the Lowlanders just kind of like didn't fuck with each other. They 0.98
00:21:26.160 just kind of like ignored each other. And that's how we could all just get on with our days. So
00:21:31.260 many Highlanders spoke Gaelic or Gallic rather than Scots. And this added to just kind of the
00:21:37.360 cultural differences. So while Scotland is, is it a kingdom? Is it a country? All one thing.
00:21:43.300 there's the king of scots but there was a real division between the lowlands and the highlands
00:21:48.600 so again mary just being born and she's a little baby j5 is off fighting the english and speaking 0.63
00:21:57.420 of the english the king at this point of england was goddamn henry the eighth who i feel needs no
00:22:02.680 introduction but just so you know henry the eighth he had six wives the musical six will explain that
00:22:08.440 whole story to you. And if you're familiar with Henry VIII's deal, so at the point that Mary was
00:22:14.200 born, he was between, he was currently single. He was between his fifth and sixth wives. So
00:22:20.580 Catherine Howard had been executed 10 months before Mary Queen of Scots was born. And seven
00:22:24.980 months after Mary Queen of Scots was born, Henry VIII married his sixth wife, Catherine Parr, who
00:22:29.900 I talked about in a previous episode in a previous season. So this is like late career, Henry VIII.
00:22:36.760 And he had spent most of his adult life really hating Scotland, hating the Scots, the Scottish
00:22:43.740 people. He didn't like how they allied with the French. He wanted to conquer Scotland so that he
00:22:50.760 could then take over France and have like one big sort of like empire that's like where France is
00:22:57.200 would be under his domain. Also, that was like his big goal. Anyway, so that's who the king is of
00:23:03.040 that at this point j5 mary's dad lost a battle he was upset um because of that um because it was
00:23:09.080 like a pretty major loss and then he heard like he was not on the scene as mary queen scott's
00:23:14.160 being born but then like a messenger or whatever came and told him that his wife had a baby he's
00:23:18.240 like great but then he found out that it was a girl and he was just like no oh no because just
00:23:25.240 you know this is like a sexist misogynist patriarchal culture and the son would just be
00:23:29.860 like easier to there'd been so many boy kings and it hadn't been like great but like i was used to
00:23:34.140 that but like a girl queen he's just like well that's it then for this dynasty and this is where
00:23:40.780 he allegedly said it will end as it began it came from a woman and it will end in a woman or it came
00:23:47.200 from alas and it will end we alas but which he means the stewart dynasty started with marjorie 0.91
00:23:53.200 and i guess he was saying like well now that this daughter has been born god damn it the dynasty is
00:23:57.360 going to end au contraire but that's spoilers and I'm really trying to be mindful in this episode
00:24:02.900 and all the American Scots episodes to not let you know what's going to happen next because I'm
00:24:07.400 coming from a place and a lot of the biographies I read are also coming from a place where you kind
00:24:11.520 of assume that a reader might know the story so you just kind of want to tie things to what happens
00:24:16.420 in the future but a lot of you don't know the story and I want you to like be as shocked and
00:24:20.620 appalled by the plot twist as possible so we're going to meet lots of people and I'm not going
00:24:24.800 to tell you what way to think about them and maybe they're going to be okay maybe they're not
00:24:29.380 i'm just going to try and be like really in the moment here anyway so james to him he's just like 0.97
00:24:34.880 well fuck this steward dynasty that's done the end and then he died of illness um his symptoms 0.98
00:24:41.920 included marvelous vomit and a great lax aka diarrhea so probably dysentery from drinking 0.99
00:24:50.100 water with poo in it as so many people died of before we, we, the human race knew to not 0.95
00:24:56.320 shit near your water source. So J5 himself, he had become king aged 17 months when his own father 0.98
00:25:03.620 had died. And now he like in a Stuart way was leaving a new baby monarch. The asshole lords 0.75
00:25:11.480 were just kind of like, yes, we come to expect this. Anyway, so you think 17 months old is young 0.99
00:25:16.640 to be a monarch guess what American Scots six days old and she is now the queen so like let's go
00:25:23.680 so Mary herself she was named Mary after her mother so her mother is Marie de Guise but like
00:25:30.480 the Scots an English version of Marie is Mary and also this is an era in time in which people
00:25:36.160 really just spelling even within a document I think you just kind of like how are we going to
00:25:41.240 spell is today. I don't care. So she's named Mary after her mother, which long time Titswood
00:25:46.720 Bigot members will know there is a vulgar history bingo card. You can find it in my highlights on
00:25:50.660 Instagram. Maybe I'll put on the website too. Anyway, one of the spots in the bingo card is
00:25:54.940 when a woman names her daughter after herself, because I just love it. I appreciate that. I
00:25:59.680 think it's been so much in history where a man names his son after him. So when a woman names 1.00
00:26:04.260 the daughter after herself, I think that's great. And I feel like let's bring it back.
00:26:07.760 she's also named mary because her birthday was december 8th which is a day celebrated by the
00:26:12.820 roman catholic church is the day that the virgin mary had been conceived and her mother was a big
00:26:18.820 old catholic so too was scotland a catholic nation that becomes important later so as she was six
00:26:28.100 days old obviously they had to find someone who was an adult to like be in charge of running
00:26:34.280 everything, aka a regent. And so I think largely because of the succession of boy kings and the
00:26:45.000 ascension of the asshole lords, monarchy in general as like an institution in Scotland 0.93
00:26:49.220 was not as strong as in other countries. Like in England, Henry VIII was like had kind of ultimate 0.98
00:26:54.480 power. Over in France, the French king had like so much power and influence. But in Scotland,
00:26:59.340 it was kind of like the monarch and or regent had to keep a delicate balance of the constantly 0.99
00:27:03.940 scheming asshole lords. So who kind of saw themselves, there's like, anyway, they just 0.98
00:27:09.480 kind of saw themselves as kind of like co-kings. And you couldn't just tell them what to do because 0.97
00:27:14.260 then they would assassinate you as they had in the past done to previous kings. Anyway, so they're
00:27:18.380 like, who's going to be the new regents? Of course, all the asshole lords are like me, 0.99
00:27:21.280 like all of them and then infighting. So one candidate for the role of regent is a guy called 0.99
00:27:28.060 David Beaton, who is a Catholic cardinal, and he had been friends with Mary's dad, J-5.
00:27:34.340 And David Beaton, like, I know I just was like, I'm going to let you discover for yourself. He
00:27:38.940 sucks. Just know he sucks. And if you know the musical Break a Dune, I don't know how much of 1.00
00:27:44.420 a niche reference that is. I'm a big theater kid. So to me, it's not. But there's a song in that
00:27:48.600 where there's a character in it called Harry Beaton who runs away. And there's a song where
00:27:52.080 they're kind of yelling in this echoey way. They're like yell singing Harry Beaton. So every
00:27:59.000 time I have the name David Beaton in my notes, I have a written note like David Beaton. Anyway,
00:28:05.700 he sucks. So one of the things he did was he faked a will because like J5 died and no one thought he 1.00
00:28:11.800 was going to, which it's like, you know what, given like the previous five monarchs of Scotland,
00:28:16.100 maybe you should have written a will. You're going off to war, like write a will. Anyway,
00:28:20.560 he hadn't. But David Beaton was like, oh, he totally did write a will. And when, you know,
00:28:25.580 he left everything to me, including I should be the regent and the king or something. Everyone
00:28:30.940 was like, no, fuck you. You're obviously lying. And he was, but he had like a faction. He was 1.00
00:28:37.200 kind of like the most powerful Catholic asshole Lord. And so like the Catholics were like, great 1.00
00:28:41.860 him. He gave me the regent, even though he sucks. The other option for regent was a Protestant 1.00
00:28:46.960 person named James Hamilton, the Earl of Arryn. And we're going to call him Arryn because he's
00:28:54.380 going to be in this a lot. And as I mentioned before, 44 different people named James. So Arryn
00:28:59.680 was actually next in line to the throne after Mary, because his, like, even though J5 had had
00:29:07.220 all these illegitimate children, like that's not how things worked for King of Scots. Illigitimate 0.74
00:29:11.080 children couldn't just like, wouldn't be named the next king. So Aran, his paternal grandmother
00:29:17.080 was the eldest daughter of James II. So basically he's like a distant relative. He has descended
00:29:23.240 in a roundaboutsy way from the Kings of Scots. And so he was chosen as regent, Aran. And basically
00:29:32.360 everybody supported him because David Beaton sucks. Marie de Guise did not support him, 0.99
00:29:37.320 but we get into that in the Marie de Guise episodes and one of the reasons she did not
00:29:41.540 support him was he was protestant and she was catholic and she's like i feel like if we choose
00:29:44.940 a protestant region this country is going to become protestant and that's like the number
00:29:48.060 one thing i don't want to have happen note about aren he also sucked like there's no good options 0.89
00:29:52.620 here so here's some descriptions of him from like biographies so he was weak vacillating cowardly
00:29:58.920 and he throughout his life would switch back and forth between being catholic and protestant just
00:30:04.060 like a little greebly worm depending on like what would suit him better so he's not like i'm
00:30:09.540 protestant and this is meaningful to me he was just like i'll choose whatever religion i need to
00:30:14.760 like get some more power or whatever so again another reason why marie de guise didn't want
00:30:19.800 him because he sucked and marie de guise is a great source for just like a great quote 0.97
00:30:25.560 she is responsible for the quote where is your god now john knox which is available on merch 0.97
00:30:31.780 at velgerhistory.com slash store. But here's another great Marie DeGuy's quote. She described
00:30:36.200 Aron as a simple and the most inconstant man in the world for whatsoever he determined today,
00:30:41.940 he changeth tomorrow. So he would just change depending on whatever. This will happen. Henry 0.98
00:30:48.820 the eighth down in England. He's like, great. Here's my plan. I propose you send baby queen
00:30:53.920 Mary Groom Scots to England. She'll grow up here. And then Henry the eighth at this point had a 1.00
00:30:58.860 five-year-old son who was called Edward. And he was like, well, we'll send Mary here. She can marry
00:31:02.940 Edward when they come of age. And then they'll be kind of like co-monarchs. And eventually that
00:31:07.840 will lead to England subsuming Scotland and all being one big country. Thank you so much.
00:31:13.580 Marie de Guise was like, fuck you, no. And then she used her cleverness and beauty to usurp control 1.00
00:31:19.620 from the asshole lords. Again, that's all in her episode. Can't get into that here. We've already 1.00
00:31:23.960 been talking for a really long time. So knowing that Henry was just kind of like really excited
00:31:28.120 to invade scotland some more she moved baby mary from linlithgow to a castle called sterling which
00:31:34.120 was better fortified like it'd be harder for you know people to come in and try and kidnap her or
00:31:38.360 whatever sterling is a castle which you can visit still today in scotland it's a fortress at the
00:31:42.780 top of a steep rock and it's also near enough to the coast that like ships could get there so like
00:31:47.480 if france was going to come and help out like they could easily reach her there so anyway well
00:31:51.760 actually no she said i'm going to do this and aren who was like technically in charge was like
00:31:55.080 not gonna let you do that and she was like watch me and she did and so at this point as she's like
00:32:00.780 going to sterling another guy comes on the scene who unfortunately matters and his name is matthew
00:32:06.800 stewart the earl of lennox we're gonna call him lennox for short so lennox was the head of a minor
00:32:12.800 branch of the stewart family every goddamn person in this story has the surname stewart because of
00:32:18.740 all the like stewart was a family before they were the monarchs but then also all the kings 0.97
00:32:23.780 of having illegitimate children. It's just like the last name of everybody. Anyway, Matthew Stewart
00:32:28.020 was a French subject. He was also one of the asshole lords. So should something happen to 0.99
00:32:32.520 Aron, he had a claim to maybe be a good regent next to. He also had a sort of scheme that he was
00:32:39.500 like, and if I can like seduce Marie of Guise, then I can marry her and then I'll be the regent
00:32:44.540 and maybe kind of the king and I can take over blah, blah, blah. And Marie of Guise was like,
00:32:49.700 whatever this guy's useful and so she got him to provide uh bodyguards and when you think
00:32:55.720 bodyguards you think like maybe one guy maybe like 10 guys lennox provided 2500 cavalry and
00:33:01.600 1000 infantry and that was who escorted marie de guise and baby mary to sterling and to safety 0.99
00:33:07.500 guess what they got there safely so then the asshole lords are just like scrambling scrambling 0.99
00:33:12.420 Aaron, like the greebly little guy he is, agreed to work together with David Beaton because I don't 1.00
00:33:20.500 care, but whatever. All this put together means that Mary got to be crowned as queen at a little 0.99
00:33:27.200 coronation for a baby, a little baby coronation, a little baby crown. So Marie de Guise, she's 28
00:33:32.580 years old. Gorgeous. I didn't mention that in this episode yet, but she is. And people mentioned 0.95
00:33:37.380 that she's really charismatic as well. She's like six feet tall. And I mean, I don't mean like she's 0.54
00:33:41.580 like she like literally was six feet tall she was so tall for a woman in that era and time and place 1.00
00:33:46.080 gorgeous beautiful so smart like every scheming asshole wanted to marry her or get her to marry 1.00
00:33:52.640 their son or marry themselves to the baby or have their son marry baby mariko scots it's just like 1.00
00:34:00.480 a woman and her daughter and everyone was like if we can marry either of them we the men will have 0.98
00:34:05.180 so much power and take over scotland um but marie de guise just she played them off each other 1.00
00:34:10.500 masterfully. Again, we talked about that in the Marie Diggies episodes. So one of the guys who 1.00
00:34:15.100 wanted to marry her was Lennox. Another guy who wanted, who's like a main sort of like guy who
00:34:20.740 wanted to marry her was named Patrick Hepburn. No relation to my cat, whose name is Hepburn.
00:34:26.560 No relation. I just really want to emphasize. So Patrick Hepburn was the Earl of Bothwell.
00:34:31.780 And he was a shitty person who had been exiled by J5 to Denmark for being quote, unruly. So like, 0.97
00:34:40.500 Like, I don't know if Denmark was previously, like, how for a while England would send prisoners to Australia.
00:34:45.720 Like, was Denmark just the place you just, like, send people to?
00:34:48.400 I don't know. 0.96
00:34:49.080 Anyway, he was just, like, newly back in town being like, what's up, fellow Scots?
00:34:52.700 And eventually he spread a rumor that Marie de Guise was choosing him, which was not true.
00:34:58.700 But Lennox heard the rumor, believed it, and he was so mad that he switched teams entirely.
00:35:03.820 He suddenly decided to team up with Henry VIII.
00:35:06.940 he went to england and then he married henry the eighth's niece who is called margaret douglas who
00:35:12.760 we've spoken about in a previous episode in a previous season the women trapped in towers
00:35:16.720 season and they're gonna have a son who's gonna become important later on so i just wanted to
00:35:21.180 let you know who he was and how he sucked anyway wars are happening england and scotland
00:35:26.000 mary is a literal toddler and she's kept safe in sterling castle but the people around her had a
00:35:31.900 plan where if things kind of if she got real like they would maybe take her off to like the highlands
00:35:36.280 where she could maybe be better hidden if needed. Scotland did not do amazing in these battles.
00:35:42.760 Everyone blamed Arryn because he probably was to blame. Meanwhile, Marie de Guise was popular
00:35:48.220 and she managed to get a seat at the table with the Asshole Lords and her French relatives, 0.97
00:35:53.240 the de Guises, helped out with war stuff. And also I love this detail I hadn't read before. 0.78
00:35:57.720 They heard that she didn't have any good wine on hand and so they sent her good French wine
00:36:02.180 from France, which God knows she needed at this point. Anyway, David Beaton is still on the scene
00:36:08.080 and he's just being like Catholic. And there's a guy who he decided to execute by, what do you call
00:36:16.760 it? Like when you like light them on fire, but he also put like gunpowder in the fire. So it's
00:36:20.920 really dramatic. But the guy who he burned was actually really popular and also nice. And like
00:36:26.420 even the Catholics liked him. So it was a pretty shitty thing to do. This made people upset, 0.90
00:36:31.360 especially the protestants and so he got himself assassinated by a group of asshole lords from his 0.95
00:36:38.180 own hometown including a man named norman leslie who i'm just mentioning he doesn't come up in the 0.94
00:36:43.140 story again i don't think but i i'm not descended from norman leslie but there is the surname leslie
00:36:49.180 in my heritage and i like to think that maybe someone who i'm descended from was involved in
00:36:55.660 killing this shitty guy and now we're just going to take a break for a word from our sponsors 0.85
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00:40:32.020 And I like this detail, too.
00:40:32.900 So David Beaton, they came in, they, like, captured him in his house.
00:40:36.020 And then before they assassinated him, they forced him to listen to a long-winded sermon.
00:40:39.800 They're just like, blah, blah, blah. Protestantism is great. Blah, blah, blah. And then he was stabbed and his naked body hung from the castle walls by knotting sheets together to make a rope. I share these details just to say, this is what it was like in Scotland at this time. Like the asshole lords were just like stabbing people. A bunch of them after this, like kind of stayed in his home and then they kind of barricaded themselves in there. 0.98
00:41:05.120 they had anyway the french eventually got them and captured them and sent them off to france
00:41:09.800 and one of those people was john knox who we're going to talk about later anyway so he's dead 0.93
00:41:16.360 david beaton he was the chancellor and so the also lords are like shit we need a new chancellor 0.78
00:41:20.460 because we just killed that one and so as the new chancellor they chose a man who was the earl of 0.76
00:41:24.880 huntley aka george gordon and i think you understand why i'm going to refer to him solely
00:41:29.800 by his nickname which was cock over the north so cock over the north was extremely influential
00:41:36.820 and important and we will talk about him in later episodes in more detail but just i just want to
00:41:43.380 let you know that this is when he's on the scene in this context he was a catholic and all the
00:41:47.640 people in the northern bits of scotland like the highlands and also other parts in the north
00:41:51.620 saw him as kind of like their leader like kind of not their king but it's kind of like you know
00:41:57.340 Game of Thrones. Ned Stark was kind of like in charge of like Northern Westeros. It's kind of
00:42:02.540 like that vibe. But Cocker the North, cooler than Ned Stark. Anyway, so Henry VIII died and his son
00:42:09.680 Edward became boy king over there. So many boy kings in this story. He's like, so much has been
00:42:15.100 going on. Like when they first were like, he should marry Mary. He was five. Now he's nine.
00:42:17.860 And then two months later, the king in France died, leaving the new king in France was an adult,
00:42:24.860 Henri II, who is the husband of Catherine de Medici, who we've talked about before in previous
00:42:31.480 episodes. And so the De Guise family, Mary's maternal family were like super powerful and
00:42:38.460 they were like heavily advising the king. And they were like, you know what? You should have
00:42:42.660 your son, the French Dauphin, which is the word for like heir to the throne in France. The De Guises
00:42:47.600 were like, you should marry the Dauphin to marry Queen of Scots, our baby niece. And around the
00:42:52.580 same time goddamn john knox is here so david beaton had been assassinated by the asshole lords 0.99
00:42:59.960 for like burning a man so the burned man had been one of john knox's mentors john knox was 0.99
00:43:05.400 described as one of his bodyguards so john knox was one of the people who like stayed in the
00:43:09.480 castle after the assassination and they were captured by the french and then he along with
00:43:12.720 these other guys were forced to row in french galleys which was like their version of prison
00:43:17.520 for 18 months, which is big Jean Valjean energy from Les Miserables. Anyway, but then it's just
00:43:23.880 like England, France, Scotland, like who's allying with who and when and where and why. But at this
00:43:28.380 point, for some reason, the English arranged for his release. And so he went to London. And this
00:43:33.380 is because England, Edward is the new king, Protestantism is happening there. And they're 0.56
00:43:37.980 like, well, these guys are Protestants, these like Jean Valjean guys. All right, John Knox goes to
00:43:42.780 England. The person who mediated his release was a young secretary named William Cecil, who's going
00:43:49.080 to become important later. John Knox got a job as chaplain to the boy king of England. I regret
00:43:56.100 to inform you, John Knox is going to come up numerous times throughout the rest of these
00:43:59.600 episodes. Anyway, more wars are happening. Mary, age 4.75, like four and three quarters, had to
00:44:05.600 be carried away at one point to um inch my home priory a remote spot on an island in the lake of
00:44:13.220 mentis which just seemed like a safer place for her to be there for a while and there's these
00:44:17.900 beautiful trees there and apparently those trees can date back to her time there and so you can
00:44:22.140 picture just this little you know almost five-year-old mary just being like i don't like
00:44:26.120 everything is chaos but it's nice here i guess so then aren still there he made a deal with the
00:44:32.240 French king in which Aron was named the Duke of Chatelheru and he was promised a bride for his
00:44:39.400 son who we're going to call Aron Jr. because his son is also called James. And then also plans were
00:44:44.860 finalized to marry Mary Queen of Scots to the French Dauphin Francis who was one year younger
00:44:49.380 than her and so you know at this point it's like thank god she's going to France. Scotland is just
00:44:53.640 like who wants to be there at that point. So to get ready for this international move Mary was
00:44:58.640 moved to Dumbarton Castle, which used to belong to goddamn Lennox, but had been confiscated from
00:45:04.020 him when he switched to Team Henry VIII. While there, she caught either the measles or smallpox,
00:45:09.300 which is just like, fuck, what are we going to do if she dies? But she did not. She got better. 0.99
00:45:13.200 And so one day in late July, Mary, aged five and a half, kissed her mother goodbye and boarded
00:45:18.160 the Royal Galley of Henri II. So the journey was rough. There's something like they got on the ship
00:45:24.740 and actually they had to stay on the ship for a week before the ship could even set sail because
00:45:28.860 the journey was so rough. But this is where we learned that Mary Queen of Scots had a superpower 0.98
00:45:33.560 that I share, which is iron stomach, which is I do not get carsick. I do not get seasick. I don't
00:45:42.260 know why I'm so lucky, but I do not. And neither did she. Everyone else on the ship was like
00:45:47.240 puking their guts out and she was fine. And so who else was on the ship? Well,
00:45:51.580 she was accompanied by her own court including four friends whose names were all mary so they
00:45:58.140 were four girls her own age all called mary i saw rumor that they all had to change the names to
00:46:03.400 mary so they could have the same name as her but it's just no it's just everyone the same name
00:46:06.900 the four marys i'm not going to get into them too much now because they're going to have their
00:46:10.860 episode later they were daughters of some of the most noble families in scotland beaten seton
00:46:16.320 Fleming and Livingston so Mary Fleming is one of the Marys she apparently when they were like stuck
00:46:23.880 in the ship for a week and they couldn't leave like she she's got an attitude I like she's got
00:46:28.560 some personality she's just like get me off the ship they wouldn't let her anyway so the also
00:46:33.040 coming along was a governess so Mary Fleming is one of the four Marys her mom Janet is also the 0.54
00:46:38.940 governess to Mary Queen of Scots I just need to let you know that Janet Fleming was gorgeous she
00:46:44.880 was curvaceous and vivacious and like just know that she's gonna people in france are gonna be
00:46:52.120 very interested in her also on the ship was one of mary queen of scots's illegitimate half siblings
00:46:58.740 a brother whose name is james stewart which is also the name like again lots of people called
00:47:05.720 james had to think of a nickname and the first one that came to mind is james stewart jimmy
00:47:09.540 stewart the hollywood actor from it's a wonderful life and vertigo so i'm gonna just always call
00:47:14.400 this guy, Hollywood icon, Jimmy Stewart, by which I mean Mary Queen of Scots is a legitimate half
00:47:19.740 brother. So he was older than her. He's 17. She's five. He was going to Paris to go to university.
00:47:25.620 So Mary eventually arrived. So Henri II and Catherine de' Medici at this point had,
00:47:31.160 I think, four children. So Mary was five. Frances, her like child fiance was four. And then there's
00:47:37.580 also girls. There's Elizabeth. There's Claude, a younger brother named Louis, who would sadly die
00:47:42.520 of measles before his second birthday. And later, four more children joined the nursery. Charles,
00:47:47.440 Henry, Marguerite, aka Queen Margot, who we've done an episode about. And then another son also
00:47:52.360 called Frances. So basically, she's just, she's coming over and she gets to grow up in the royal
00:47:57.600 nursery with the princes and princesses who were like of similar age. That's nice. So Mary at this
00:48:03.040 point, she spoke Scots and almost no French. So she was, it became a French immersion situation.
00:48:09.540 And in fact, the four Marys were sent away because they didn't want her to have too many Scottish people around her.
00:48:15.920 They wanted her to be surrounded by basically French people only.
00:48:18.860 So the four Marys were sent off to a convent school elsewhere. 1.00
00:48:21.760 But don't worry, they're going to come back. 0.58
00:48:24.140 Her governess, Janet, became a mistress of the king because she was gorgeous. 0.68
00:48:30.720 She was fubs and gorgeous.
00:48:32.540 She ended up having his child.
00:48:33.980 And at that point, she was sent back to Scotland and Mary got a different governess who was not sexy. 0.56
00:48:39.540 But yeah, she was deliberately, deliberately severed from her native culture and encouraged 0.52
00:48:43.940 to form new attachments with her new French acquaintances because she was being sent to
00:48:47.820 France to be the queen of France. Presumably she would live in France the rest of her life.
00:48:51.400 So Francis, her boy fiance was known to be frail and sickly. And so she quite astutely,
00:48:58.820 like this little five-year-old Mary, she figured out like she needed to sort of compensate because
00:49:03.980 the two of them were to become a team. She knew they're going to get married when they got older. 0.99
00:49:07.580 so she had to kind of like mask his deficiencies and be like oh what my husband meant to say was
00:49:12.740 this and she was good at it she grew very close with him they they delighted in each other they
00:49:17.820 got along super well again he's just one year younger than her so they're similar age their
00:49:21.900 delight in each other caused one observer to remark that dauphin cares for her and loves her
00:49:25.800 like his sweetheart and his wife and that it is easy to judge that god caused them to be born
00:49:30.380 for each other and if you've watched rain the tv show like mary and francis like i ship it like
00:49:36.820 those two together. So yeah, she's just like growing up in France. Two years later, like she's
00:49:42.040 just in France growing up. I'm going to explain her education stuff in a minute, but she didn't
00:49:46.180 see her mom for two years. Marie de Guise came to visit because her dad had died and she wanted to 0.97
00:49:51.080 just kind of like check in and see what's going up in France. While she was visiting though, a plot
00:49:55.080 was uncovered to assassinate Mary Queen of Scots, which is one of those guys from the David Beaton
00:50:01.400 assassination. Like these guys, not John Knox, a different guy. So this guy came to France with
00:50:06.620 a plan to assassinate Mary by poisoning her, by kind of like getting in cahoots with the chef.
00:50:12.700 He wanted to poison her favorite dessert, frittered pears. But then he was found out,
00:50:17.820 the guy was discovered. He fled to First Ireland and then to Scotland, but he was caught, sent
00:50:21.740 back to France for trial and execution. So again, the first, like the season one, episode one of
00:50:27.060 Rain starts with someone tries to poison her. So like, accurate. Anyway, so that all happened. 1.00
00:50:32.280 she didn't die marie de guise wound up going back to scotland also during the same time so marie
00:50:36.600 de guise had had we talked about this in the other episode but she had had a son with her first
00:50:41.000 husband who is in france and that son died while she was visiting so sad anyway um in her absence
00:50:47.420 marie mary queen of scots her new mentor was her mother's brother charles or as i call him uncle
00:50:54.120 charlie the cardinal of lorraine he was the boldest and most experienced politician at henry's court
00:50:59.660 Her other uncle, Francis, Duke of Guise, also helped out in a mentor sort of way.
00:51:05.080 And he's sort of like a surrogate father and she would always love him the rest of her life.
00:51:08.640 Like she really looked up to him and had a really close relationship with him.
00:51:12.120 When she was 11, Uncle Charlie came up with a plan to declare her of age, which usually that would be when she's 15 or 18.
00:51:21.520 You know, it's like you want to be like, she can be queen now, so she doesn't need a regent anymore.
00:51:24.600 Because they wanted to dismiss useless Arren and name Marie de Guise as the regent.
00:51:29.340 and the French king agreed. And then this happened. So at this point, Mary, she wasn't in the nursery
00:51:34.180 anymore. She had her own household. She was in the midst of various growth spurts. She needed lots of
00:51:38.440 new outfits. She wanted to keep up with all the trends, like getting monograms sewn onto her
00:51:42.660 dresses and stuff. And at around the same time, so when she was like a tween age person, she fell
00:51:48.840 seriously ill for the first time we know of. Like she'd had measles before, but this was like
00:51:53.180 startling to people. So Mary in general, it's sort of given me Empress Cece energy. She's very
00:51:58.860 athletic. She loved to go horseback riding. She was like playing tennis. Like she's very athletic 0.55
00:52:04.260 and like seemingly quite healthy, but she had this health crisis. And so this recurs in her
00:52:09.320 life. So I'm going to talk about it for just a minute. So often this was triggered by anxiety
00:52:14.160 or stress. And sometimes these periods would, not periods, not like menstrual periods, but these
00:52:20.980 like attacks for lack of a better word. Sometimes they're less for days, sometimes for weeks. And
00:52:25.300 afterwards she would bounce back like almost right away. So potentially, like her later
00:52:30.180 descendant George III, the husband of Queen Charlotte, some people theorize she might have
00:52:34.520 had a condition called porphyria, which is like a thing that lies dormant most of the time but can
00:52:40.400 be triggered. And when it comes out, the symptoms would be similar to what she had, which is like
00:52:45.300 vomiting, abdominal pain, overwhelming depression, and crying and mood swings. So we're going to talk
00:52:51.840 about her health in other later episodes but like periods of stress i think she would like because
00:52:57.180 of the stress she would like lose her appetite not be able to eat porphyria can be triggered by
00:53:01.180 like fasting or not eating enough and so then she would get this these these things would happen
00:53:06.000 doctors obviously useless the mood swings of it all later in her life mary would wear an amethyst
00:53:11.520 ring that she believed had properties like magical properties like people believe in crystals and
00:53:16.800 stuff now, like that this could help her melancholy, her mood swings. She got really
00:53:21.300 seriously sick at this point. I think she also, this is maybe not a porphyria attack, but I want
00:53:26.140 to talk about that. At this point, it sounds like it might've been sweating sickness. Um,
00:53:29.760 and she was ill for months. Her fiance, Francis also got this at the same time, but both of them
00:53:34.840 recovered. So her education, she was really well educated and this really switches depending on
00:53:41.740 where we're talking about on this podcast and what country or whatever. But in this era,
00:53:46.280 the French king was really into education, including for girls and women. So she's educated
00:53:50.900 basically identically to Francis, the dauphin. So the other princesses did as well. They're all
00:53:57.980 schooled together. So she learned Latin, Greek, Italian, Spanish. Her education was overseen by
00:54:03.640 Catherine de' Medici, Diane de Poitiers, who is the mistress, the very influential mistress of
00:54:08.240 the king, and her uncle Charlie. And it's not like they were there directly tutoring her,
00:54:12.060 but they helped choose her tutors and things like that. It was noted when she was 12,
00:54:17.000 one of her assignments was to deliver a speech, not a prepared speech, but just like one that
00:54:21.160 she made up on the spot. In Latin, she had to present it to the king, to Catherine de Medici
00:54:25.700 and to her uncles, but she got to choose a topic. And the topic she chose was a defense of the
00:54:30.460 education of women. So that speaks to her interests. And so she studied the classics,
00:54:34.540 but she was much more enthusiastic about French poetry. In fact, she became patron to a poet
00:54:40.460 named Ronsard she helped him to publish the first edition of his works and he she supported other
00:54:45.680 French poets as well and the poets she supported like they were loyal to her throughout her life
00:54:49.920 they sent her verses providing emotional reassurance during some of her bleakest and
00:54:54.740 most anxious moments her hobbies included singing dancing playing the lute the clavichord and the
00:55:00.500 harp and she was talented like she was fine at all of these things but where she really excelled was
00:55:04.760 at dancing. And the king saw that she was really good at dancing. So he hired a Italian dancing
00:55:10.020 master to help train her up even more. And she sought out every opportunity to perform dancing
00:55:15.880 whenever there was like some sort of party because and she was really good. Everyone said
00:55:19.140 she was really good. She also loved embroidery. She had a personal embroiderer who like embroider
00:55:25.060 her outfits and stuff. But this person taught her. Catherine de Medici encouraged this interest
00:55:30.020 because Catherine de Medici, and I didn't know this, so I didn't mention it in her episodes. 0.98
00:55:33.540 She herself was a skilled embroiderer. She'd been trained back in her days when she was at a convent
00:55:38.700 in Florence and the convent she happened to be at, Catherine de' Medici, as a girl was one where the
00:55:44.060 nuns were famous for their needlework. Mary also loved making preserves like marmalade. So she 0.69
00:55:51.220 specialized in making a kind of French marmalade and to do so she put on an apron. She'd boil 0.99
00:55:56.380 quinces and sugar with powder of violets in a saucepan for hours before laying out the slices
00:56:01.040 of crystallized fruits. The four Marys also helped out with this like jam hobby. And in fact,
00:56:06.660 like a play kitchen was made in their apartment so they could play and pretend like they were
00:56:11.020 cooking and housekeeping. And they like to pretend to be servants or like peasant women 0.99
00:56:15.500 organizing their domestic routine and doing their own shopping. And that continues throughout their 1.00
00:56:20.200 life. But we'll talk about that in another episode. But they do like disguises, let's just say,
00:56:24.680 some of which include pants so mary loved animals she loved pets she wanted as many as possible
00:56:31.080 around her um she loved dogs especially terriers and spaniels at one point she had 16 dogs and
00:56:36.960 kitchen staff were given just standing orders to save table scraps to feed her dogs she also loved
00:56:42.700 she was a horse girl again like the cc vibes are here so she wanted to ride horses but she was a
00:56:47.400 kid she couldn't fit on a horse so she rode ponies um and then as she got taller she rode horses
00:56:53.180 she also enjoyed falconry which is like where you have a falcon and you train it to like you wear
00:56:58.740 like the leather glove and it lands on your arm and it flies away and comes back she had her own
00:57:02.840 pet falcon and apparently she took to this really quickly um she was able to cast off and reclaim
00:57:08.680 on her own without help from the falconers and there's the royal diaries series of like children's
00:57:14.060 books from like the early 2000s and the one about mary queen of scotts on the cover i think she's
00:57:18.260 doing falconry. Let me know if I'm right. She also loved hunting, which was just a thing all
00:57:23.240 the rich people like to do. Crucial detail. So Catherine de Medici had the habit of when she
00:57:30.120 went out hunting or horseback riding, she would wear like trousers inside of her skirts so that 1.00
00:57:36.000 she could ride a stride. Like instead of, you know, ladies and oldie times in some societies 0.99
00:57:40.400 had to ride, sit sideways on the horse. Like that's how Empress Cece would ride. But Catherine 1.00
00:57:44.540 And Medici just rode horses in what I would call the normal way with like your legs spread apart
00:57:49.900 and the horse under you. And to do that, you would wear pants. Mary Queen of Scots did this as well.
00:57:55.500 She loved horseback riding with pants under a skirt. She also learned to play tennis and golf. 1.00
00:58:00.240 In fact, playing golf in France, it was a tradition that the French military cadets would
00:58:04.920 carry the clubs for royalty. So the word cadet, which means younger brother or younger son,
00:58:10.180 traveled with Mary when she would later return to Scotland. She pronounced cadet caddy with her
00:58:16.580 accent. And that is golf. Now people have a caddy. That was her. Remember that episodes from now
00:58:23.100 when we're doing significance because she popularized golf. I just like this detail.
00:58:27.520 At one point, the king had bears, like literal bears sent for the entertainment of the royal
00:58:33.600 children. I don't know what he thought would happen, but the bears damaged the home of a
00:58:38.620 neighbor and it's like yeah maybe don't like bring bears to your castle mary was like her mom
00:58:44.200 beautiful she everybody complimented her and it's not in like a fake way because she was so important
00:58:49.940 she was like very lovely to the aesthetic standards of the era she had very pale sort of
00:58:57.160 peaches and cream complexion which was like what people wanted in this time and place she also had 0.61
00:59:02.040 red hair that she wore in a way that i keep seeing described as crimped so in like very tight curls
00:59:07.500 And if you look at the portraits of her, like along the hairline, like it's really, it looks
00:59:12.080 like she has a perm. 0.65
00:59:13.740 So either she had really curly hair or the Marys helped her do that more in a future 1.00
00:59:18.500 episode. 0.68
00:59:19.180 She's also very tall, like her mom. 1.00
00:59:20.820 Her height was probably like her mom, like somewhere between five foot 10 and six feet
00:59:24.620 tall. 0.99
00:59:25.220 And in this era and place and time, a five foot four woman was considered tall.
00:59:29.300 So she was just like striking, stunning, red hair, pale skin, super tall, really graceful
00:59:35.280 and elegant. 0.95
00:59:35.720 and people who met her were just like oh my god she's gorgeous so she was also trained in spycraft
00:59:41.600 so how to write secret letters using ciphers um not to leave letters around where anyone could
00:59:47.420 find them that being said she was also like she had people advising her namely her uncles and
00:59:52.760 she just like trusted them so she was very trusting is this gonna be a problem later on
00:59:58.260 we'll see but for instance as an example of her just like trusting and doing what she was told 0.99
01:00:02.980 She would like sometimes send her mother just blank pieces of paper, but with her signature at the bottom so that other people could write on it what it was supposed to say, which is kind of could be dangerous when you're an asshole Lord's scenario. 0.98
01:00:15.360 But I don't think anything bad ever came of that. 0.97
01:00:17.340 But it just shows that she's kind of like very trusting.
01:00:19.880 Also, when she wrote, I found this endearing.
01:00:21.840 She often started out writing very neatly on the first page, but by the second or third page, she began to rush.
01:00:27.120 And if you look at her embroideries, it's similar.
01:00:29.680 Like, I think she just liked to get stuff done quickly.
01:00:32.880 Anyway, so she was really highly educated.
01:00:35.260 Her uncles had wanted that.
01:00:36.440 The king had wanted that.
01:00:37.740 But joke's on them.
01:00:38.820 Because in so doing, they taught her how to think independently and to question what they
01:00:43.000 told her and also how to debate really well.
01:00:45.140 She learned how to argue a case and spot the strengths and flaws in the reasonings of others. 0.99
01:00:49.280 So they're like, oh shit, this isn't a pawn anymore. 0.99
01:00:51.620 This is like an intelligent, glamorous person. 0.99
01:00:54.380 So she got married when she was 15 and Francis was 14.
01:01:00.680 So they were married at the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, and like everyone in town showed up,
01:01:05.340 kind of like how there was just the coronation of Charles III in England. It's just kind of like
01:01:09.700 there's a procession, there's a carriage, and just like the streets are lined with people who
01:01:13.400 just like want to see a spectacle. And in fact, knowing that the king had arranged the marriage
01:01:17.320 ceremony to be largely outdoors, there's kind of like a stage set up outside with an awning over
01:01:22.280 it. So the ceremony was preceded by months of negotiation between Scottish asshole lords, 0.99
01:01:28.460 led by Hollywood icon, Jimmy Stewart, Mary's half brother. And in fact, he was there. He 0.99
01:01:35.400 witnessed the wedding. He was among the crowds outside of Notre Dame. And he had been hanging
01:01:39.760 out. Remember, he was going to university in Paris. He had been spending his time with English
01:01:44.180 and Scottish exiles who were all kind of like, we like being Protestant. We don't like having 1.00
01:01:48.960 French Catholic troops in Scotland. And he was just kind of like, I don't know if I'm a fan of 0.90
01:01:53.040 this wedding I'm watching that's Catholic. Anyway, Mary looked incredibly amazing. She wore a white
01:01:59.700 dress, which was an unconventional choice because in France in this time, white was the traditional
01:02:05.140 color for mourning, not for like celebrating. But here's the thing. She knew white was her color.
01:02:09.980 She knew she looked good in white. And so she's just like, fuck you. My wedding dress is going 1.00
01:02:14.420 to be white. She wore her hair long flowing free, which was also unconventional. So her white gown
01:02:20.320 had a long train like she had her long flowing auburn crimped hair she also had a purple velvet
01:02:25.760 over mantle which is kind of like a cloak embroidered in gold with the arms of scotland 0.92
01:02:30.580 and her white dress was covered with uh jewels like little diamonds on her head she wore a crown
01:02:36.820 ablaze with diamonds emeralds sapphires and pearls so just picture this outside also on a sunny day
01:02:41.780 just the way the light would catch her it would just look like an angel i also want to note that 0.60
01:02:46.020 her very impressive crown during the wedding banquet became too heavy for her to wear and so 0.89
01:02:50.220 an attendant had to just like hold it on above her head for her which is like a power move anyway
01:02:56.220 so they got up on the stage and so there's the sort of like awning slash tent outdoor wedding
01:03:02.560 venue was a blue silk canopy decorated in the fleur-de-lis done in gold thread and it was like
01:03:08.980 a really happy time for her that morning she wrote a letter to her mother that said that she was one
01:03:13.520 of the happiest women in the world in scotland her mother arranged celebrations including
01:03:18.540 processions bonfires were lit everyone's like whoo a queen got married yay like people just like a 0.94
01:03:23.440 to celebrate and then in a section that i have in my notes called goddamn paperwork i really truly
01:03:29.900 don't want to have to tell you about treaties because that's not the sort of history that i'm
01:03:33.320 personally interested in and i'm bad at explaining it but this is an important one so the degesis
01:03:38.380 were like so in control of so much stuff right now they're so influential and so they basically
01:03:45.240 this document was prepared by them that said basically scotland belongs to france now if
01:03:50.060 mary dies without having any children then francis like her husband will take over and the like 0.98
01:03:55.220 french royal family will be in charge of scotland scotland is now little france the asshole lords 0.96
01:04:00.440 and for once i'm like yeah i can see this we're mad about this because they scottish independence 0.52
01:04:06.940 was and is like fundamental part of like scottish nationalism they were just like no we don't want
01:04:13.340 Scotland to be mini France. Arran, in fact, joined with the Protestants to oppose this. Like everyone
01:04:19.420 in Scotland was like on board to be like, no, we don't like this. But even just the existence of
01:04:24.700 the document and hearing about it made the asshole lords even more determined to maintain their own 0.99
01:04:28.420 rights and privileges. Because remember, there's not a powerful king or queen in Scotland. Like 0.99
01:04:33.560 they were just like, this is why there can't be one because they'll do shit like this. Anyway, 0.99
01:04:37.880 meanwhile, in England, so last time we checked in there, Edward had been the boy king, he died.
01:04:42.500 And then he, Jane Grey, was the queen for nine days.
01:04:46.000 And then the next monarch was Mary I.
01:04:48.960 She died after a short period of rule.
01:04:51.480 And then she was succeeded by Henry VIII's only other legitimate child, Elizabeth I,
01:04:57.800 who was at this point 25 years old.
01:04:59.860 So like Mary was 15, Elizabeth is 25.
01:05:03.900 So they're both young women, but she's adult aged.
01:05:07.860 Crucially, Elizabeth chose as her chief minister a guy named William Cecil.
01:05:12.500 Who we mentioned before, he was the one who helped negotiate John Knox's release.
01:05:16.460 William Cecil, going to be really important in this story.
01:05:18.920 So remember that name.
01:05:20.640 But here's the thing.
01:05:22.040 The De Guises were like, wait, the Queen of England is this 25-year-old Elizabeth?
01:05:26.560 Like, this is like a great opportunity for us, the De Guises.
01:05:30.020 So because basically all of France was like, we don't accept her as Queen of England.
01:05:35.200 Like, no thanks.
01:05:37.020 And I'll explain why.
01:05:40.040 So some people, Catholic people in this era, felt that Elizabeth was illegitimate.
01:05:47.540 Like she was literally an illegitimate child of Henry VIII is what some people believed
01:05:51.000 because she kind of was and she kind of wasn't.
01:05:54.140 So the thing is that Mary, Queen of Scots' claim to the throne of England at this point
01:06:00.500 was like compared to Elizabeth's, her claim was at least as strong as hers, potentially
01:06:05.020 stronger.
01:06:05.480 So Mary's claim would be through her grandmother was Henry VIII's sister.
01:06:10.040 And if Henry VIII had died without any children, then like, who are you going to go to next?
01:06:15.120 And Mary Queen of Scots was like a good candidate in that sort of like family tree sort of way.
01:06:19.880 And so Catholics thought that Elizabeth was illegitimate because.
01:06:24.540 So Elizabeth I was a daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn.
01:06:28.740 So Anne Boleyn and Henry VIII had gotten married while Henry VIII's first wife, Catherine of Aragon, was still alive.
01:06:34.840 The Pope and the Catholic Church did not recognize Anne Boleyn as Henry's lawful wife
01:06:39.300 because Catherine was still alive and they didn't believe in divorce.
01:06:43.140 So Henry, like this was fine.
01:06:45.940 Like Elizabeth was born like nine months after Henry and Anne got married.
01:06:49.160 But then later Henry turned on Anne Boleyn.
01:06:51.800 He divorced her and then executed her.
01:06:54.600 And when she was executed at that point,
01:06:55.740 Elizabeth was literally declared to be illegitimate by an act of parliament
01:06:58.860 in a clause that had at that point never been repealed.
01:07:02.200 so and then henry the eighth died you know years later and the whole thing is like there's a there's
01:07:08.420 a case for why one might consider elizabeth to be illegitimate if you were a catholic person who
01:07:13.420 didn't want her to be the queen whereas mary queen of scots like there's nothing illegitimate about
01:07:19.120 her claim whatsoever like there's no it's direct line from like king to queen to whatever so the
01:07:25.660 de guises were like great so they they in france just proclaim mary was queen of england scotland
01:07:31.680 in Ireland. And it's not like they were like, oh, because she's illegitimate. They're like,
01:07:35.120 she's Protestant and we don't want a Protestant queen. But they're also like, but what we can say 0.91
01:07:38.920 is she's illegitimate and we don't want an illegitimate queen. Like that was easier to
01:07:42.560 sort of defend. So Uncle Charlie ordered. So the like heraldic arms of England, it's just sort of
01:07:48.680 like that thing that looks like a shield. So they made like a new heraldic arms that was like
01:07:54.400 part France, part Scotland, part England, just to be like, it's all one country now.
01:08:00.100 And they had to put on all the like dishes, the like plates, and also all the furniture that Mary and Frances had. This was like a very provocative thing to do. And then an English guy was visiting France. He saw this and he was just like, oh, Jesus. He drew a picture. He's like, this is what they have on their plates. And he went and told William Cecil. And William Cecil was like, ooh, I can use this for my own scheming reasons. And apparently his drawing of like this heraldic plate was like William Cecil. He kept it in his files for like decades because he's just like, oh, that's treason.
01:08:28.400 The de Guises didn't stop with just plates. Letters and official documents were sent out to the rulers of Europe, like other countries.
01:08:35.880 They were being like, hey, guess what? Francis and Mary are the king and queen of Scotland, England and Ireland.
01:08:42.240 Don't worry about it. That's just happened.
01:08:44.440 By that summer, when Mary was like making her way to church, people would be like, you know, make way for the queen or whatever to like get people to get out of the way.
01:08:52.520 And they started yelling, make way for the queen of England.
01:08:54.680 like what was happening was not subtle there was no you couldn't confuse what was happening like
01:08:59.460 they were literally being like oh she's the queen of england and we everyone in france thinks that
01:09:04.000 now in rain the tv show there was a scene where mary and francis went to uh justin tournament i
01:09:09.000 think and she showed up wearing like red and gold which were like the colors of england and i was
01:09:13.740 like herman my pills like it was very again rain accurate in that sense so but like just saying
01:09:20.640 she was the queen of england isn't enough to like make that be true so the degizus went to the pope
01:09:25.860 to be like make this official please but the pope was like no and why was the pope like no 0.95
01:09:31.800 because he was pals with spain enters the chat so the king of spain at this point is goddamn philip 0.91
01:09:40.060 who was the one who's married to mary the first and was a shitty husband to her anyway so the 0.91
01:09:46.420 pope was bros with philip of spain and philip of spain wanted spain england to get along for like
01:09:52.720 various reasons one of which was he wanted elizabeth to marry him so the pope wouldn't
01:09:57.700 make this official and then eventually this is just all kind of getting weird and so eventually
01:10:01.740 the king of france was like the degueses are going to be like too powerful here so he's like
01:10:06.700 uh let's make france and spain be friends now to like challenge england which he did by so remember
01:10:14.180 mary had grown up with the french princess and princesses one of them was called elizabeth they
01:10:18.300 were like best friends like her and elizabeth they would make marmalade they would play act
01:10:23.140 being peasants anyway they elizabeth was married off to philip in spain and we're going to talk
01:10:28.600 about her and that marriage in a future episode so mary's bff shipped away very sad fun fact that
01:10:35.460 marriage is the marriage being celebrated in the pilot episode of rain the tv show anyway so
01:10:40.680 basically the degeezes and mary had to like u-turn they had to be like oh let's stop
01:10:45.480 calling you queen of england because yeah that didn't work as i mentioned before when mary was
01:10:52.420 stressed her illness her like chronic illness would trigger and so it was around this point
01:10:58.940 that she had what is seems like a porphyria attack um because she was like trapped between
01:11:05.520 what her uncles wanted and what the king wanted and she's just like i just want to like make
01:11:09.320 marmalade and like vibe out do some dancing and then at a jousting tournament her father-in-law
01:11:15.640 the king got a splinter in his eye that went to his brain and killed him so he died well he died
01:11:22.380 slowly actually he was just like gruesomely injured mary and francis watched day and night
01:11:27.160 by his bedside for 10 days and then he died of a massive stroke so mary five months short of her
01:11:32.620 17th birthday was now the queen of france and so it was time for coronation but it's like they
01:11:38.080 just had the wedding which was like
01:11:39.320 happy and nice but I was just kind of like this pretty bleak coronation of a boy king. This
01:11:44.340 occurred at Rims, the holiest city of France and traditional spot for coronations. Mary watched as
01:11:50.840 a spectator because the ceremony for queens was held separately and often later like for instance
01:11:55.540 Catherine de' Medici hadn't been crowned until two years after her husband. So Mary was just kind of
01:12:00.380 like watching this happen which is too bad because she was kind of the star quality. Francis was like
01:12:06.140 she loved him and he was sweet and nice, but like he didn't have that like it factor. But also note
01:12:11.420 like the reason why the coronations were separate for kings and queens is the queen of France was a
01:12:15.700 dependent of the king, not the partner of the king. She was a consort and if he died, she wouldn't
01:12:21.580 take over. Like she, this was really showing like the king is in charge and she's just the wife of 0.92
01:12:26.780 the king. So for this event, Mary sat with Catherine de' Medici and the remaining princesses
01:12:31.880 who were all wearing black, which was weird in that time and place. So black was the color in
01:12:37.320 Italy for mourning and Catherine de' Medici was from Florence. So she was wearing the color of
01:12:43.840 Italian mourning black, which was weird. And Mary was like, I look better in white. So she, and also
01:12:49.380 white is like the color of mourning in France for royals. And so she wore white and this made her 0.65
01:12:54.320 stand out. She was described by someone who saw this as a dove amongst crows. Speaking of birds,
01:13:00.160 The coronation ceremony lasted for more than five hours and ended on an exhilarating note when
01:13:05.780 hundreds of songbirds were released, comma, in the cathedral. Not outside of, but inside of.
01:13:13.140 History does not record how they were shooed out afterwards or who cleaned up the inevitable poo
01:13:17.840 they would have left. Anyway, so now Francis is the king and Catherine de Medici is stepping up, 0.53
01:13:23.480 taking more control. So like the Degezes are still there, but Catherine suddenly has more power. 0.95
01:13:29.240 and so she just kind of like sat back and let the degeezes like be too ambitious to make everyone 0.94
01:13:34.620 turn against them which they did anyway mary was doing poorly her health was poor for basically a
01:13:41.820 year so she had fainting spells i don't know if this is the porphyria maybe some people thought 0.94
01:13:46.100 maybe she had tuberculosis um she was just kind of like low energy couldn't keep food down fainting
01:13:51.240 all the time and you know because stress is like always a factor and when she gets ill what was 0.91
01:13:56.740 stressing her now that she was queen of england and it was goddamn scotland so back in scotland 0.80
01:14:02.000 her mother not doing great bob her mother was having a rough time of things because elizabeth 0.94
01:14:07.740 the queen of england now her right-hand man cecil were just like really pouncing on this opportunity
01:14:14.700 to try and like take over scotland and part of their strategy was like well you know england is 0.96
01:14:19.940 a protestant country that like asshole lords want scotland to be a person country so like let's work
01:14:24.940 together maybe so marie de guise was like that's not how anything works like can you please just 0.99
01:14:31.380 like let me have more power the asshole lords were like uh no marie de guise was becoming 1.00
01:14:35.880 increasingly unpopular she like raised taxes and stuff which like she had to do in her defense but 1.00
01:14:40.940 you know that's not ever a popular thing so the asshole lords turned against her fully led back 0.76
01:14:45.820 i called the earl of argyle who was a protestant who owned huge amounts of land in gaelic speaking 0.92
01:14:53.800 the Gaelic-speaking highlands, where royal control was the weakest, as well as other areas.
01:14:58.500 He was the only noble with a resource as to muster a full-size army on his own,
01:15:02.720 like without Marie DeGeese helping out. And the one who joined his team is Hollywood icon,
01:15:07.660 Jimmy Stewart, Mary's half-brother. And then just things are spiraling. John Knox returns to
01:15:13.560 Scotland from where he'd been in exile in Geneva. Why? I don't care. And he teamed up with these
01:15:18.400 guys. He's like, oh, I smell like there's an incel, you know, Avengers activating and I need
01:15:23.500 to be part of it so his whole thing was he was a preacher who gave speeches being like women are 0.92
01:15:28.040 terrible everyone should be protestant and everyone's just like woo like they like he was
01:15:33.380 really charismatic as a speech giver people he was like very persuasive anyway everyone got really
01:15:40.440 excited now that he's there and he got everyone really mad and church buildings were ransacked
01:15:45.860 in acts of civil disobedience people just like trashing like catholic stuff because they're all
01:15:49.800 like, woo, we want to be like Protestant incels like John Knox. And then Aaron and his son Aaron
01:15:54.900 Jr. joined this like mob as well. They switched back to being Protestants because they're just 0.99
01:16:00.360 like dweebs. Remember that guy I talked about before, Patrick Hepburn, no relation to my cat 1.00
01:16:05.840 Hepburn. He was one of the guys who tried to marry Mary's mom and spread a rumor that actually she
01:16:10.920 was going to choose him, even though it wasn't true. So he had died and his adult son, James
01:16:15.480 Hepburn took over as Earl of Bothwell. And he, to his credit, in this instance, was one of like
01:16:23.300 three asshole lords still loyal to Maria de Guise. We're going to call this guy because for his name 0.98
01:16:29.220 too is James. We're going to call him Bothwell, which because he's the Earl of Bothwell. He was
01:16:34.440 remember his dad, there was a whole thing. Wasn't he sent to Denmark for being unruly? Bothwell is
01:16:38.760 very much like that as well. He just kind of like does his own thing. He's got like maverick
01:16:43.500 unconventional styles. He used guerrilla tactics against Hollywood icon Jimmy Stewart in a
01:16:50.300 successful way. Marie de Guise was like, this guy's helpful. He's like chaotic. But as long
01:16:54.860 as he's like on my side, I can abuse for him. And she trusted him. So she got, Marie de Guise got
01:17:01.660 Bothwell to send a letter, like to hand deliver a letter over to France to Mary, just to like
01:17:05.780 reassure her, like everything's fine. Stop being sick, please. Bothwell got like detained on his
01:17:10.120 way to deliver that letter with just like some stuff in guess where Denmark but we'll talk about
01:17:15.640 that later anyway so he brought this letter to Mary and they met and that's what I'll say about
01:17:22.020 that anyway so she didn't feel better Mary because like everything is how well Scotland is still 0.99
01:17:27.100 terrible for her mom the asshole lords rode to Edinburgh deposed Marie of Guise and replaced her 0.97
01:17:31.740 with themselves they were like you know there won't be a regent as long as Mary is like not 0.99
01:17:35.880 in scotland the people in charge of scotland are going to be 24 asshole lords which is us marie 0.97
01:17:41.580 de guise fought back she never stopped fighting she mustered 3 000 french troops to fight back 0.98
01:17:47.020 she wanted the de guises her like french family to like help her out but like they're just getting
01:17:52.680 outnumbered because by this point elizabeth slash england slash cecil were teamed up with the 0.92
01:17:57.520 asshole lords as well and then there was kind of a little negotiation a little treaty happened 0.98
01:18:02.560 And Hollywood icon Jimmy Stewart represented the whole Asshole Lords team in these negotiations.
01:18:07.980 It was like a negotiation between the Asshole Lords and with England.
01:18:11.380 And at the end, this treaty was done up saying, I think this is called the Treaty of Edinburgh. 0.50
01:18:15.780 And the treaty said that basically England supports an independent Scotland.
01:18:20.340 Asterix, kind of.
01:18:21.860 So it basically just said like England and Scotland were friends now.
01:18:24.880 Back in France, the de Guise power is diminishing.
01:18:27.380 The uncles were busy.
01:18:28.280 They were too busy trying to save themselves and their power to help their sister in Scotland,
01:18:31.780 which is part of why they didn't send help to her when she needed it.
01:18:36.180 Mary Queen of Scots is just like there, like being like, oh my God, my mom.
01:18:39.480 And her mother also, like side note, was really ill at this point.
01:18:42.860 Everything was encased in Scotland.
01:18:44.460 She was upset, obviously.
01:18:46.180 She demanded France send more troops to Scotland. 0.97
01:18:49.240 She confronted her uncle Charlie, just like blaming him correctly for fucking everything up. 0.98
01:18:54.340 She burst into tears and took to her bed. 0.96
01:18:56.500 She does a lot of, there's a lot of crying in this story because she is frustrated a lot.
01:19:01.780 So this was happening, and then the treaty happened.
01:19:04.400 So also involved in the treaty were Spanish King Philip, Catherine de Medici, making this horrible treaty.
01:19:09.840 So the treaty also included that France recognized Elizabeth as rightful queen of England,
01:19:14.440 Frances and Mary would drop their claim to the English throne, and French troops would evacuate Scotland.
01:19:20.100 Mary and Frances had not been consulted about this, and, like, she refused to sign off on it.
01:19:25.860 Her mother died shortly after negotiations for the treaty had begun,
01:19:29.140 and but the fact that mary refused to ratify this document bred further distrust and ill 1.00
01:19:34.560 feeling towards her from the asshole lords but she's just like my mom just died this is a fucking 0.99
01:19:40.100 nightmare she was grief stricken her portrait was painted around this time to send to england 1.00
01:19:45.080 because amid her grief and like illness and everything she's just like i need a plan i need
01:19:50.060 to like because she saw everyone was like always switching teams and who they supported so she's
01:19:54.220 Like, if I can get Elizabeth on my side as, like, relatives, because they were, like, cousins, as just, like, sister queens, like, two women in a men's world, like, maybe we can be friends.
01:20:03.940 And the way we're going to do that is by exchanging portraits.
01:20:06.240 So she had her portrait sent to Elizabeth, and they started being pen pals, basically.
01:20:11.280 Then Francis, her husband, fell ill initially.
01:20:15.880 Like, he just, like, collapsed.
01:20:16.880 And he'd always been kind of, like, a guy with some illnesses, but he, stuff with his ear was happening.
01:20:22.000 It's like, oh, it's an ear infection.
01:20:23.100 And that's what I had heard before, like he died of an ear infection, but it was more like that was like a secondary visible symptom.
01:20:28.340 But it soon became clear that something else is happening, probably a brain tumor.
01:20:32.420 So he had violent seizures.
01:20:33.940 He became unable to move or speak.
01:20:35.880 Mary and Catherine were both at his side to like care for him.
01:20:40.280 Obviously, they fought about who could be there with him.
01:20:43.000 And eventually they both were.
01:20:44.220 They nursed him together.
01:20:45.560 They tested his food to make sure no one was trying to poison him.
01:20:48.700 And unfortunately, he did die.
01:20:51.400 Francis died December 5th, 1560, one month before his 17th birthday and a week before Mary turned
01:20:57.840 18. So he and Mary had been besties. They've been close companions for more than 13 years.
01:21:04.640 They've been raised together, like knowing they would be married. So they were like
01:21:07.740 raised as an inseparable unit in preparation for their joint monarchy. And now he was dead. She was
01:21:14.480 18 years old. Her mother had died. Her best friend was off in Spain. She was a widow and she was 18
01:21:19.740 years old. So Mary kept a vigil that night over his dead body, and Catherine de Medici called a
01:21:25.180 secret meeting in which she was named regent for the new French king, which was Francis's 10-year-old
01:21:30.360 younger brother, Charles. So Mary, she did the customary thing, which was just basically to go
01:21:35.700 into a black shrouded room for 40 days, which she did wearing her white mourning clothes.
01:21:40.340 A contemporary chronicler wrote, she was brooding over her disaster with constant tears and passionate 0.88
01:21:45.260 and doleful lamentations she universally inspires great pity because she was in a really shitty
01:21:50.900 situation like she stuff in scotland was not doing great but here she was no longer
01:21:55.340 she didn't have any power in france the de guises were falling from power it's just kind of like
01:22:00.540 what is she gonna do like she doesn't have she doesn't have a william cecil there to like tell
01:22:05.180 her to help her out in 1561 which is when this is the poet ron sard the one who she was the patron
01:22:11.800 of, wrote tenderly of seeing her walking at Fontainebleau, which was the property where she
01:22:17.440 was. He described her mourning, her white mourning gown blowing around her like a sail. So yeah,
01:22:22.480 she was 18 years old, an orphan, and now a widow. She had no place in Catherine de Medici's plans
01:22:27.580 because she and the de Guizas were like, what if we marry Mary to Charles, the new boy king? But
01:22:32.640 Catherine de Medici is like, fuck no, I'm not going to let the de Guizas get power again. Like 1.00
01:22:37.240 you just got too carried away with it. Fuck you. So then the de Guizas were like, okay, well, we 1.00
01:22:41.280 need to marry her to somebody so they tried to betroth her to don carlos who is the son the only
01:22:47.720 son and heir of philip in spain but remember spain philip was was working with catherine
01:22:53.720 medici and so she blocked this plan and so that didn't happen either if you'll remember on rain
01:22:58.320 don carlos did appear on rain in a very memorable sequence in a sex dungeon but that's all i'll
01:23:06.260 leave that at that anyway the degizus were just like they'd lost so much power they ended up 0.93
01:23:10.840 leaving royal court and they just went off to like live in their own castles by themselves and 0.94
01:23:14.800 just, I don't know, whatever. And Mary is just like, what am I going to do? And what she decided
01:23:20.480 to do was to go to Scotland and next week we'll start talking about what that was like. So I can't
01:23:31.140 believe I thought I was going to be able to talk about Scotland also in this episode. There's too
01:23:36.160 much Fran stuff to get to. I have a couple of housekeeping announcements to tell you. And you
01:23:41.020 know how podcasts say that or like meetings are like, Oh, let's do some housekeeping. And I would
01:23:44.700 just like to say housekeeping is important. It is like, you know, often has been women's work,
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