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00:00:58.280a feminist women's history comedy podcast. This is a Halloween super special, and I am Anne Foster.
00:01:05.560When I was thinking of people to talk about for these Halloween episodes, again, you know, it's
00:01:11.720a shame I've already done Elizabeth Bathory, but I feel like that's a good one to re-listen to
00:01:17.160if you haven't in a while, because the whole Lady Dracula angle, I mean, spoiler, she wasn't1.00
00:01:22.780actually that but she has that reputation last week we looked at a an alleged witch elizabeth
00:01:29.040woodville and this week we are looking at mary shelley who wrote the famous genre inventing
00:01:38.860horror slash science fiction book frankenstein and if that wasn't enough reason to make this
00:01:45.420a halloween special the fact that she was literally like the original goth queen she
00:01:51.360was hanging out in old graveyards going on dates with her boyfriend and we'll get into that like
00:02:00.220at her mother's gravesite she was goth queen but as we are gonna learn in this episode she's also
00:02:06.980the mom friend of her group she was surrounded by chaotic people like the most chaotic people
00:02:17.060she could have been surrounded by growing up where she was at that time like that includes both her
00:02:22.060parents and her stepmother and she was just sort of like is the eye of the storm a pertinent
00:02:29.500metaphor that's what i keep thinking of it's like everyone around her was the storm and she was in
00:02:34.600the middle of it just being like making sure everybody you know had dinner and drank water
00:02:40.280and like got naps when they needed to so she's the goth queen mom friend and that's who we're
00:02:45.880looking at today. So my major source for this episode is a biography that came out in 2018
00:02:55.040called In Search of Mary Shelley by Fiona Sampson. It's such an interesting and unusual biography
00:03:02.720because Fiona Sampson is a poet mostly. And she writes this biography, which is again called
00:03:10.300in search of Mary Shelley. She's trying to find where Mary is in the existent records of her life
00:03:17.300because a lot of times the people around her would sort of subsume her. So anyway, it's a very
00:03:22.080interesting and unconventional biography. Super recommend. Link in the show notes in search of
00:03:27.960Mary Shelley by Fiona Sampson. I also looked at Wikipedia because Mary Shelley is famous enough
00:03:34.180to have some, like an actual entry there. Always a treat for me on this podcast. So Mary Shelley
00:03:41.280was born. Mary Wollstonecraft Godwin was her name at birth in Somerstown, London in 1797.
00:03:51.020Her father was a philosopher, novelist, and journalist named William Godwin. And her mother
00:03:56.340was Mary Wollstonecraft, which here we go. I really can't talk about Mary Shelley without
00:04:02.880talking about Mary Wollstonecraft because this really helped shape a lot about what Mary Shelley
00:04:07.760got up to. So Mary Wollstonecraft was an English writer, philosopher, and advocate of women's
00:04:12.400rights. She is regarded as one of the founding feminist philosophers. She wrote many sorts of0.99
00:04:18.880things, but is best known for her 1792 work, A Vindication of the Rights of Women, in which she0.87
00:04:25.580argues that women are not naturally inferior to men, but appear to be only because they lack1.00
00:04:31.020education. A shocking thing to say in 1792. Tragically still shocking in 2021. Mary Wollstonecraft
00:04:39.020suggests that both men and women should be treated as rational beings and imagines a social order
00:04:43.780founded on reason. Maybe that will happen one day, who knows. Mary Wollstonecraft, not just a notable
00:04:50.340feminist writer, but also personal life scandalousness. She pursued a relationship with1.00
00:04:56.880a married writer, Henry Fuseli, Fuseli, and even suggested a co-living arrangement with him and
00:05:02.900his wife. His wife was like, no thanks. And he dumped her to escape the humiliation. She fled
00:05:08.580to France where the French revolution was underway because she was a fan of revolution.
00:05:14.640And I just, as a, as a choice, I mean, I have so much respect for the choice of like, she,
00:05:20.260she threw herself at this man. He was like, no thanks. And she's like, okay, I'm just going to
00:05:24.380go from England to France and the revolution. Cause that is how embarrassing what just happened
00:05:30.240was. Like I can relate. So, and she was in France and it was cool being in the revolution. She
00:05:35.540had stuff there, but then when the revolutionaries took over, all foreigners were suddenly forbidden
00:05:42.620to leave France. She tried to leave France because a lot of her friends she'd made there were being
00:05:48.240executed but she was stuck there but you know silver lining she fell in love with an american
00:05:54.820named henry imlay with whom she had a daughter named fanny imlay left her because he didn't
00:06:01.840like how maternal and domestic she became when she had a child like he thought she was going to
00:06:06.260be this like tits out what she was but he thought she was going to just be this sort of like0.95
00:06:11.860unconventional um scandalous person and she probably thought she was going to be too but0.98
00:06:18.120she had a daughter and she's like, guess what I want? Domestic life. So he left her because he1.00
00:06:22.680didn't want that. But Mary Wollstonecraft, just like, oh, she needs just like friends. She needs
00:06:29.500a little sex in the city gang brunch to just be like, look at your choices. So she followed him1.00
00:06:36.420back to London. I guess France let her leave. He rejected her again. And she attempted suicide in
00:06:45.180her depression. She did not complete suicide, kept writing and became close to Henry Godwin,
00:06:53.580who she knew before and thought of sort of like a brother, but then I guess they fell for each
00:06:58.100other. She became pregnant and then they got married. So their child would be legitimate
00:07:04.740because that would be good for the child's life in the society in which they lived.
00:07:11.060And that child was Mary Shelley, who is not Mary Shelley yet. She's Mary Wollstonecraft Godwin. So it's that thing where women in English history name their daughters after themselves, which again, I've said this numerous times in this podcast, bring that back. I love, I love a mother naming her daughter the same thing as her.
00:07:30.560but tragically, Mary Wollstonecraft died shortly after Mary was born. She died of that sort of
00:07:39.020infection you get where the doctor didn't wash his hands before dealing with her after birth,0.95
00:07:45.060et cetera. So tragically preventable had doctors at this point believed in handwashing,
00:07:51.600which they did not. A friend of mine who is a gynecologist told me they used to like go from
00:07:56.720dealing with like corpses to like shoving hands up in vaginal areas, delivering babies. And women1.00
00:08:03.580died a lot of the time of infections. And they were like, can't be my fault. So it sucks because
00:08:08.400she was this amazing revolutionary person, this iconoclast. And then she died in this awful way.0.97
00:08:14.280And we know a lot about her dying because her husband, William Godwin, wrote a whole sort of
00:08:19.400tribute to her explaining the minutiae of how she died in childbirth and all the scandalous
00:08:24.980details of her life one i'm just going to mention this this is like on par with mary toft level
00:08:30.660distressing medical information so trigger warning this this whole episode trigger warning
00:08:36.900suicide sorry i already mentioned it once and trigger warning birth awful things and trigger
00:08:45.960warning Lord Byron and trigger warning a lot of babies dying. So just know that. So a thing that
00:08:58.220happened that we know about because William Godwin wrote about it is that Mary was given to a wet
00:09:03.300nurse for breastfeeding. And Mary Wollstonecraft was just like slowly dying. And the doctor was0.95
00:09:08.980like let's just keep her constantly drunk and i'm not sure and the biography i read about her by
00:09:16.100fiona samson it's also not sure if that was just to sort of like make her not be suffering so much
00:09:21.380because she was drunk all the time or if it was trying to be like maybe this will like clean her
00:09:25.440system somehow so she was just drunk on wine all the time she had just given birth and so her0.99
00:09:30.280breasts were full of breast milk and so puppies came to suckle at her lactating breasts which1.00
00:09:36.340is just Mary Toft level nightmarish, this dying woman. So William Godwin saw all this happen to
00:09:43.720this woman who he loved and wrote about it. And then unfortunately, he published it. Well,
00:09:49.220not unfortunately, he published it. But unfortunately, when he published it,
00:09:52.640this kind of wrecked Mary Wollstonecraft's reputation for a long time, because he talked
00:09:57.160about how she had lovers and things. And so Mary's dad, not really great with predicting
00:10:04.200the consequences of his actions. This left William Godwin alone, a widower to raise newborn baby
00:10:12.440Mary, as well as Fanny, remember her, Mary Wollstonecraft's daughter from the French
00:10:16.820Revolution. So he published the book about a year after she had died, kind of wrecked Mary
00:10:23.780Wollstonecraft's reputation, but Mary, I'm just going to call her Mary Shelley. Like she's Mary
00:10:28.100Godwin for now, but there's other people's name changes in this and it'll get confusing. So Mary
00:10:32.980Shelley, the little baby who would become Mary Shelley, she would grow up reading these memoirs
00:10:38.100of her mother's death and also all the books her mother wrote, which included a lot of travelogues
00:10:43.400and diaries and personal things. And William made sure to bring up Mary to cherish her mother's
00:10:47.680memory. There was a gigantic portrait of her hanging in the middle of their room as well.
00:10:52.620So there was like a family graveyard as well. Mary, I believe, learned how to write, how to
00:10:57.720read and write by tracing the letters on her mother's grave, which is like, well, how many
00:11:02.000letters were there. Well, her mother's last name was Wollstonecraft. So all of the letters.
00:11:06.780Mary's earliest years seem happy. Her father, you know what? And I respect this of him,
00:11:14.040William Godwin. He's just like, I can't do this by myself. So he turned to female family friends
00:11:18.540to help him out with what seemed to be an unusually hands-on parenting approach for this era.
00:11:25.620when mary was four he got married to the girl next door who was a single mother named mary
00:11:34.140jane claremont mary jane claremont is an interesting person as well which there's i
00:11:40.580need to stay on track but just know that she is there's a lot of people in this episode i'm going
00:11:44.580to want to talk about but i'm going to try and stay focused on mary shelley she is our goth queen
00:11:49.940mom friend, heroine. But just know that her stepmother, Mary Jane Claremont, was
00:11:55.940quite a character. Mary Jane Claremont had a daughter named Jane, who was eight months
00:12:02.540younger than Mary and also son Charles, who was five. Who were their fathers? Who knows?
00:12:08.460But she had these two children. And it seems like Mary Jane Claremont just kind of like saw,
00:12:14.040potentially moved into a house next door to William Godwin with the intent of marrying so
00:12:19.160that they could both help each other out and that she could sort of elevate herself in society
00:12:22.760so they got married mary and fanny got two new siblings so now it's three girls and one boy
00:12:29.020and eventually mary jane and william godwin had a son who was named william also just to keep
00:12:35.720everything confusing so so what's that jane mary fanny name mary fanny three girls two boys is
00:12:45.040just a whole house full of people, this little Brady Bunch situation. Yeah, so in Descending
00:12:51.000Order, the children in this blended family are Fanny, Mary, Jane, Charles, and then baby William.
00:12:57.320Seemingly, Mary Jane preferred her children to Mary Shelley and Fanny in a sort of Cinderella
00:13:03.180scenario where she was looking for her children more than she was her stepdaughters. And perhaps
00:13:09.160this is part of why Mary Shelley chose to become bookish and precocious and clever as people still
00:13:16.880do now and have for a long time as a way to just deal with a constant chaos of their personal life
00:13:22.920and not knowing how else to have control over anything. So she became very precocious, very
00:13:29.940bookish, very clever. Her father would like bring her out at dinner parties of intellectuals and
00:13:34.220stuff. And he loved that about her. He loved that she was his clever girl. And so this was also her
00:13:39.940way to get her father to love her. We're going to see this psychological issue throughout her life
00:13:46.200story. She received little formal education, like not school school, but her father tutored her on
00:13:52.800a variety of subjects. He often took the children on educational outings, little field trips, and
00:13:58.960they had access to his library and to the many intellectuals who visited him, including the
00:14:03.460former vice president of the united states aaron burr from hamilton um mary although again she
00:14:10.280didn't go to school school she received an unusually advanced education for a girl of the
00:14:14.760time she had a governess a daily tutor and read many of her father's children's books on roman
00:14:19.800and greek history by the time she was 15 her father described her as singularly bold somewhat
00:14:26.160imperious and active of mind her desire of knowledge is great and her perseverance and
00:14:31.680everything she undertakes almost invincible. And if you're wondering, but like, but what does she
00:14:36.440look like? She had pale skin and light sort of red gold hair that as she got older turned more0.94
00:14:43.320like brown, which I think is suiting with her goth persona that she would develop later on.
00:14:49.480She gives me feelings of Lady Jane Grey a little bit, just sort of being a bit of a like know-it-all
00:14:55.900style teenage girl. Mary also had health problems, which were potentially caused and or exacerbated
00:15:03.740by the stressful home situation of a stepmother who hated her. Again, the Cinderella scenario.0.99
00:15:09.920She was sent away to boarding school for six months because again, if it was because of her
00:15:14.800health in her early teens, she developed what might be like an eczema sort of skin condition
00:15:20.320on one arm and hand. It might have also been psoriasis. Like it got so bad that she was at
00:15:26.760times unable to use her arm or her hand and wore a sling. So like, I'm sure at this time they were
00:15:33.420like, is this leprosy? So she went off to school and her skin cleared up, which sort of suggests
00:15:39.100that potentially a psychological causation of this issue, but also it could just be that they
00:15:45.700were living in like a place with a lot of pollutants, London in the early 1800s. They
00:15:51.820were like above a printing shop. I think they're above like her father's printing shop. So
00:15:55.020potentially just allergens. Anyway, her skin cleared up and she came home and then her skin
00:15:59.760got bad again. And so she persuaded her father to send her for fresh air, not a boarding school,
00:16:03.940but to stay with family friends in the Scottish countryside, which is what she did. And she went
00:16:10.140to the Scottish countryside twice. She did two sort of extended stays there. And in between those
00:16:16.200two extended stays, so by this time, she's 16 years old. And in this era, she met the radical
00:16:25.040poet philosopher slash fuck boy, Percy Bysshe Shelley. He was married already, and also the0.97
00:16:32.620father of a young child. But Percy idolized Mary's father's radical beliefs, which had alienated him
00:16:40.720from his wealthy aristocratic family. They wanted him to be, you know, a lord or whatever. And he
00:16:46.140wanted to donate large amounts of the family's money to help the disadvantaged, which is like
00:16:51.080a cool thing to do. He also was not into monogamy or the conventions of society like Mary's parents.
00:16:59.440but because he had sort of alienated his rich family, he had difficulty gaining access to the
00:17:04.460money until he inherited his estate. Like his family wouldn't give him money until they died
00:17:09.080because they didn't want him to waste it on projects of quote, political justice.
00:17:14.500So he had met Mary's dad because that was like his hero. He loved William Godwin's writing. He
00:17:20.360loved his like radical style. And so he sort of promised like, I will, he had lots of debts,
00:17:27.080sorry, William Godwin had a lot of debts. And Percy Shelley was like, I could pay off your
00:17:31.560debts. But then eventually it became obvious that he could not because he didn't have any money
00:17:35.680himself, even though his family was rich. And on top of that, Mary and Percy began meeting each
00:17:41.560other secretly at her mother's grave in the churchyard of St. Pancras Old Church. And they
00:17:47.160fell in love like two little goths that they were. Mary's stepsister Jane, remember her eight months1.00
00:17:54.020younger so mary had like light hair light skin jane was like of a darker haired thing anyway jane1.00
00:18:01.100bffs helped facilitate these meetings so she would pass the letters back and forth she would also
00:18:05.820quote unquote chaperone which whatever that means on june 26 1814 mary shelley and percy shelley
00:18:14.180again not yet married declared their love for one another as percy announced he could not hide his
00:18:19.860ardent passion, leading her in a sublime and rapturous moment to say she felt the same.
00:18:26.180Remember, of course, she's 16, he's 21, and also married and the father of a young child.
00:18:31.360On either that day or the next, Mary and Shelley had sex for the first time, which was her first
00:18:37.920time having sex with anyone. And allegedly this happened in the churchyard. Some people think on
00:18:44.860her mother's grave and i feel like that sounds possible so mary was attracted to percy shelley
00:18:51.860she loved his wild intellectual unearthly looks and she would call him the elf because he was
00:18:57.900sort of like fragile and sort of effeminate percy seems to have been attracted to mary's
00:19:05.040intellect which was like her main like she wielded that but she was also very pretty but
00:19:10.640he was also attracted to who her parents were and the fact that like she was a child of william godwin
00:19:14.700and Mary Wollstonecraft, he was just like, yes, please. So they fell in love with each other.
00:19:21.040Mary assumed her father would approve because that was in line with his stated Phyllis,
00:19:24.680like his published concept of free love. Her parents had both been into free love.
00:19:30.720They only got married for like legal reasons. But in fact, he was not, he did not approve of this
00:19:36.720match of the guy who had like pretended he was going to fund him and that didn't,
00:19:41.020who was married and his own teenage daughter. So it's sort of the thing of like, William Godwin
00:19:48.520believed in free love and things, but not when it comes to literally his own teenage daughter,
00:19:53.260who he loved so much because she was like the smart one. So with the help of Jane,
00:19:59.460Mary and Percy ran off together to France. Jane also came along at around this same time,
00:20:05.180like at around the same time they ran off to France. Mary's childhood writings were all
00:20:10.060destroyed. So we don't know if Mary did that herself to just be like, I'm making a new chapter
00:20:14.480in my life, like burning the journals like people still do today. Or if William did that because he
00:20:19.620was like mad at her. But that's why we have to sort of piece together what were her early years
00:20:24.360life because all for juvenilia is gone. Even she had a box of treasured papers, including letters
00:20:32.600exchanged with her father while she was at school and in Scotland. But when they were in France,
00:20:38.000she left this box in a Paris hotel room and it was never found. Although stay tuned for more about
00:20:43.360that. So this is the squad. We've got Mary, we've got Percy, we've got her stepsister, Jane.
00:20:51.740Jane's mother, Mary Jane, chased after them to try and force Jane to return home for the sake0.98
00:20:57.680of her reputation. But Jane did not. But also again, like the stepmother, it's just like,0.99
00:21:03.580fuck mary whatever but like jane has to come home anyway if you didn't already think that this trip0.95
00:21:09.800sounds like it probably wouldn't go well like in fact it didn't go well three bankrupt people0.98
00:21:15.160mary also got horrible seasickness and she had that her whole life she liked to be in places
00:21:20.740but she was not a good traveler also she was 16 and pregnant none of them knew what they were
00:21:28.460doing and they ran out of money so they traveled to paris and they had intended to go to switzerland
00:21:32.760but they couldn't afford to get there except for by walking there so they ended up hired a donkey
00:21:39.200walking there with a donkey which is like big nativity vibes with the whole teenage person
00:21:45.340named mary who is also pregnant but as they traveled they read works by mary's mom who had
00:21:51.420written about being in france and stuff they kept uh mary and percy kept a joint journal like a
00:21:56.320travelogue, continued their own writing as well. Jane was not a gifted writer, but wanted to be.
00:22:04.100She also just really wanted to be involved with everything. So for instance, at night,
00:22:09.300sometimes she would ask to sleep in their bed with them. I don't think in a sexual way,
00:22:13.300but just because she didn't like being left out of stuff. Anyway, eventually lack of money forced1.00
00:22:18.100them to turn back and go to England. So penniless. They returned to England. Mary was again surprised
00:22:24.760by her father her father was still mad at her where she's like but i'm living the ideals of
00:22:29.360you and my mom he in fact refused to have anything to do with her and i think this must have been
00:22:33.520very confusing for her because in her way she was the ultimate like obedient good child and so she
00:22:42.200was living the way that she would have thought her mother would have wanted her to the way that
00:22:47.480she thought based on his writings her father would have wanted her to so she's not like rebelling at
00:22:51.380all. She's doing kind of what was expected of her. And the fact her beloved father wasn't into it
00:22:57.580must have been like very confusing for her. So Mary was 16, pregnant, not married. Percy was
00:23:04.640married, not to her. And he had convinced her in the way that people still do that his other
00:23:11.060partner was this horrible person. So it's not like he's cheating on her. His wife, whose name
00:23:16.020was Harriet. Mary just understood like, oh, you know, like Harriet in this one instance,
00:23:22.080like it's okay. I'm having the affair with Percy because Harriet actually is terrible.
00:23:25.400And also free love is cool. In her later years, Mary would empathize more with Harriet and feel
00:23:32.040very badly for how she acted at this time. But again, she's 16. And then the squad, again,
00:23:38.040Mary, Percy, and Jane moved together into a flat together to avoid creditors. There's something
00:23:44.780about like people who have bed credit like on sunday could do whatever they wanted and they
00:23:49.760couldn't be arrested something like that so percy would spend six of every seven days away and with
00:23:56.780his wife harriet um but then could only see mary one day a week during his like get out of credit
00:24:01.660free day so mary was very upset by this um missed him very much um he also spent a lot of time with
00:24:08.860jane which she was jealous of but i guess mary not having a good time of her pregnancy like she
00:24:13.860wasn't able to go for walks percy and jane almost definitely were lovers as well but percy's whole
00:24:20.960thing was free love so it's not like he was cheating on anyone because like he was pretty
00:24:26.800upfront about like here's my deal here's what's going on percy's wife harriet gave birth to a
00:24:32.920child shortly before mary did which is just kind of like the timing of it is very jerry springer
00:24:40.480show-esque. Because of the free love situation, Percy wanted Mary to sleep with other people too.
00:24:47.720And Mary wanted to want that, but she did not want that. Kind of like her mom. She thought she
00:24:54.120believed in the whole free love situation, but actually she really liked monogamous domestic
00:24:59.380life, much to her surprise. So Percy had a friend called Thomas Jefferson Hogg, who became a friend
00:25:06.760and a confidant to Mary. And Percy was like, Mary, why don't you sleep with him? And Mary was like,
00:25:11.680like, she didn't say no right away because she really wanted to believe in free love. But in
00:25:17.200practice, she only loved Percy Shelley and seems to have ventured no further than flirting with
00:25:21.420hog, particularly because she was pregnant at this time. She gave birth prematurely to a girl
00:25:27.360who she named Clara, but the baby was two months premature, which is like still risky even now.
00:25:31.600And back then, I mean, incubators didn't exist. So Clara died after one month. This obviously
00:25:40.600made Mary super depressed. She was haunted by visions of the baby. And then she became pregnant
00:25:47.600again three months later because she was a fertile teenager. And she gave birth to a second child,
00:25:55.120a boy who she called William, which is the third William in the story. So named after her dad,
00:25:59.620I guess. He was nicknamed Will Mouse. And we're going to call him that just to not confuse
00:26:04.700with her half-brother, William, or her father, also William. So meanwhile, famous dirtbag Lord
00:26:13.280Byron was in London. He wasn't in London very much because he was so scandalous. He'd been
00:26:18.080kind of like kicked out of London or something like that. Jane schmoozed her way, even though
00:26:25.020he was like not really interested in her, but she was just like, but what about having sex with me?0.91
00:26:29.460and she just sort of like kept on it until he did. And then she fell for him. And I think it's
00:26:33.720the sort of thing, there's going to be a lot of armchair psychology in this episode, but I think
00:26:38.840it's like, she saw Mary was with this famous writer. So she was like, what if I'm also with
00:26:42.140a famous writer? But he left and she, Jane was pregnant and she decided to chase him down to
00:26:50.180try and convince him to be with her and to have, to be his mistress. She wrote to him a lot and he
00:26:55.380was like, please go away. And so she was like, but what if, do you want to meet my friend Percy
00:27:00.520Shelley? He's like a writer. I think you two would get along. And Lord Byron was like, I guess.
00:27:05.480So she got Mary and Percy to come along. They were sort of her excuse for visiting him where
00:27:10.540he was in Geneva. So Mary and Percy, baby wheel mouse and Jane all went to Geneva because
00:27:17.520Jane refused to take no for an answer. Kind of like Mary Wollstonecraft, frankly.
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