Vulgar History - The Irish Lady Pirate, Gráinne O’Malley

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00:00:44.420 Hello and welcome to Vulgar History of Feminist Women's History Comedy Podcast. My name is Anne

00:00:49.200 Foster. And this is this year's holiday special. Every year at around this time, I like to do an

00:00:55.240 episode about a person who does just fine. It's a time where some people are struggling. Some

00:01:02.120 people are having a great time. A lot of people are really busy. And it just, it feels to me like

00:01:07.760 an episode where somebody, you know, gets trapped in a castle and then dies in childbirth age 16

00:01:13.960 or whatever. It's like, that's not the vibe. Let's talk about somebody who lived like an

00:01:18.080 okay length life and overcame their problems and things were fine. And it worked out so perfectly

00:01:23.880 because Katie Charlwood, who you might know from Who Did What Now? She's on TikTok. She's on 0.98

00:01:29.840 Instagram. She also has a podcast called Who Did What Now? She does live shows. She and I were

00:01:34.300 talking about doing a collab and I was like, this is perfect because we can come on and talk about

00:01:38.740 a long requested woman from history who is Granya O'Malley, who we talk in the episode and we

00:01:47.980 refer to her by that name because that is her actual name. We explained in the episode why

00:01:53.460 later in history, people started calling her Grace O'Malley, but that is not her name.

00:01:59.000 And we're very much reclaiming her actual Irish name. And so I was really excited to talk about

00:02:04.280 this because we love a lady pirate on the show. There's so many connections with other pirates

00:02:09.320 we've talked about on the show before, like Said El Hura and Zhang Yi Cao. And Grania is just an

00:02:16.020 iconic person she's got a sword she's got a dagger and she just like gets the job done

00:02:20.200 it's fantastic I also loved learning more about Irish history and this story takes place at around

00:02:26.060 the same time as Mary Queen of Scots actually so it's all sort of a time a time and a place that

00:02:30.480 we all know about from the Mary Queen of Scots episodes but what was happening in Ireland at

00:02:35.260 that time and it turns out what was happening was a lot of stabbings being done by this woman

00:02:40.640 anyway i hope you enjoy this episode um yeah i mean this is me and katie charlwood having the

00:02:46.980 best time talking about this iconic irish heroine so i'm joined today by katie charlwood who you

00:02:58.580 all know from who did what now the podcast the live shows the videos the the internet presence

00:03:05.920 the legend herself, Katie. Welcome so much. Hello. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited

00:03:12.840 to tell this story. And I do want to give everybody the opposite of a trigger warning.

00:03:17.480 This is going to be a nice story. This is a person who faces challenges and overcomes them

00:03:24.200 is the vibe. And also a badass. And also a pirate. And also messy as hell.

00:03:30.760 it's everything it's everything but without those things that pop up so often in women's 0.99

00:03:37.060 history where it's like and then also her husband was whatever and then she died in childbirth none

00:03:42.480 of that none of that she just no childbirth death no childbirth no death and childbirth at all

00:03:49.620 none of that in this story I don't think we do have an interesting we have lots of interesting

00:03:55.120 things, but she lives to an okay old age. So that's my reassurance to everybody that this

00:04:00.580 is going to be, uh, yeah, the opposite of a trigger warning. So actually first, can you tell

00:04:06.220 me how we're pronouncing the name of this person? Because some people know her by a different name.

00:04:12.560 And that name is wrong. She says aggressively. Yeah. Her name is Gronya O'Malley. Uh, so Gronya

00:04:21.520 or Granya, because depending on which part of the country you're from, that's the pronunciation.

00:04:27.500 It's just a dialect change. She's also known as Granya Whale, which is her sort of nickname,

00:04:34.280 which means bald Granya. You may notice that I didn't translate into English the name Granya.

00:04:41.920 It's because technically it doesn't actually have a translation. And I'm going to bring this up

00:04:47.620 because the reason that she's called another name is because some English fella, about 300 years

00:04:54.900 after her death, decided that the other name was just easier to say. And so he rewrote her history

00:05:01.880 with a different name. Which is not even in her lifetime. Like this is a woman who was,

00:05:08.860 she's out there. She was famous. She was well-known. She met, spoiler, Queen Elizabeth I. 0.55

00:05:13.920 like this is and that and her name was grania or grania and that was what everyone called her

00:05:21.140 and so that's what we're going to call her yeah and another misconception about grania is people

00:05:26.200 think that she had red hair and like whenever you she didn't have red hair she didn't have red hair

00:05:30.300 see see i knew right so her her dad was owen to dara like o'malley but um his name translates as

00:05:38.380 like as the you know the black one because his hair was black so because they are probably the

00:05:45.840 most purebred Irish in this region you know they all have dark hair because the red hair came to

00:05:51.800 Ireland through the Vikings so it's like she has dark hair and so but like we she's always depicted

00:05:58.560 as being a redhead because that's that assumption of Irish people when Irish people traditionally 0.87

00:06:03.660 would have black hair or very dark brown. That is something that I have come to learn as a,

00:06:09.820 as a Canadian person who grew up mostly just seeing Ireland represented as this kind of

00:06:16.180 lucky charms. And that's where, like when there's people pretending to be Irish, 0.91

00:06:23.520 it's, it's always a red haired person. And so I was just kind of like, okay. And as a red haired

00:06:27.020 person, I'm like, this is great. My people, but I have come to learn, like, I think almost all

00:06:32.180 the Irish people I know have dark hair like I do not know a red-haired Irish person like I don't

00:06:37.600 think that's that's not the stereotypical Irish person is like dark hair pale skin I know one

00:06:43.820 I know one Irish ginger um my kid's dad actually he's funny he's a he's six he's a six foot two

00:06:51.700 redhead he always makes jokes because he's very easy to spot in a crowd because six foot two and

00:06:56.520 ginger. It's very easy to find. Yeah. I was in Scotland this past summer and I was just like, 0.89

00:07:02.760 so many redheads. I'm like, this is my people. No, this is it. This is where I am from. I blend

00:07:07.920 in here like nowhere else. And that's a Scottish thing. That's not an Irish thing. Yeah. That's

00:07:13.020 because it's, um, it's easier to get to Scotland from like Norway and Sweden. So that's where the

00:07:19.080 red hair went to. So yeah. So I want to let everybody know, um, we don't need to get into

00:07:24.280 like the the depths of it but like the history of Ireland um okay uh first the Vikings came

00:07:31.820 and they sort of joined so there's there's this interesting Brehen law which is relevant to this

00:07:38.740 story actually so Brehen law is this whole thing where um the good thing about the Vikings the

00:07:44.580 Norse and the Irish is they have very similar um rules regarding women so women had more autonomy

00:07:51.300 they had more rights and there's a bunch of things like for example the man could have a sheep but 0.72

00:07:59.540 it's the woman who weaves the wool so the woman is more valuable to society because she is the one 1.00

00:08:03.920 with the skill you know and if she wants to divorce you she can literally just shout out a window I

00:08:09.580 divorce you and there you go you're done marriage is over and so there's all this sort of respect

00:08:14.400 So Brehen Law has this sort of concept that if somebody comes to Ireland and they sort of intermarry and intermingle, you have three options.

00:08:26.560 You can either agree to the rules and stay, you can disagree to the rules and leave, or you can disagree to the rules and fight, which you will probably lose.

00:08:38.020 but yeah so that's so first you had the vikings then you had the normans who were the french

00:08:42.960 and then you had england which is which is people are still still pretty pressed about over here

00:08:49.860 still it's still contagious something that came up um when the this is the i forget it's like the

00:08:57.140 second or third ireland-based episode i've done um and what came up in the last episode we were

00:09:02.160 talking about because it was like the 1700s and so i think it's important for people to know that

00:09:07.180 the English were like let's try doing genocidal colonization and let's practice it first in 0.78

00:09:14.120 Ireland perfect it and then take it to the Americas so that was kind of the vibe of England 0.91

00:09:20.700 yeah it's very interesting as well so like when they when they first decided they were going to 0.88

00:09:25.520 like properly try and colonize it right it was Henry VIII who's consistently in a dick measuring

00:09:29.680 contest with the king of France and he's like I'm also going to take Ireland now and he just kind of

00:09:35.900 got what we call the pale which is dublin so he got that bit and he was like yay that's enough

00:09:42.120 to prove that i am lord of ireland and then mary tried edward didn't really do much but mary was

00:09:49.020 like i am going to have um king's county and queen's county and they sent you know their

00:09:55.000 colonists over but they didn't send them any sort of like guards or army or anything they were like

00:10:02.000 just go settle and so they would just get raided constantly and they weren't allowed to like speak

00:10:07.120 irish or intermingle with anybody and so they just ended up kind of being kicked out but then

00:10:12.240 when elizabeth came to power then she was like okay let's get some more planting done and more

00:10:17.400 that's called the plantations and so they would send more people over and then when james

00:10:21.480 i hate him so much james the sixth and first when he takes in takes over like he just really goes

00:10:30.080 to town and that's when the proper sort of proper huge aggressive colonization happens 0.98

00:10:34.780 fuck it i hate james so much this is this is where we're so simpatico because i also hate him 0.99

00:10:46.960 so aggressively much um yeah just when he shows up it's just like fuck this guy so of course 1.00

00:10:53.880 henry the eighth and james i'm like yeah of course those are the guys who are like fucking 0.98

00:10:57.760 things up and like we're still seeing the effects of it now because those guys were the worst so but 0.54

00:11:03.660 ireland was not like i'm gonna it's not like i don't know there's not one king of ireland it's

00:11:09.520 all different like chieftains right yeah there was a high king so you have a high king but then you

00:11:14.120 have all of these other smaller kings and then you've got chieftains underneath that and it's

00:11:19.480 it's a very it's a very progressive system really sort of just everybody had their own little spot

00:11:25.580 and then you would be part of that clan or family as or you'd be part of you know you would

00:11:32.180 you would all be part of this and then other people would be part of that one and you know

00:11:38.160 of course you would have your typical little skirmishes and wars and things like that but

00:11:42.740 all in all pretty chill mainly you were worried about the vikings coming so like

00:11:49.780 mainly chel as a general rule and so it's also interesting to me like i still am like very

00:11:57.740 careful and mindful about like when am i talking about ireland now there's like there's northern

00:12:04.040 ireland and there's ireland but in the past it was all ireland and it was all one thing and it

00:12:09.280 was nothing to do with britain and it was its own situation where it's like it was kind of like

00:12:14.300 england didn't think about ireland for a long time really they were just kind of there doing

00:12:19.480 their own thing, whatever, until suddenly Henry VIII is like, oh, we should go try and take over

00:12:25.140 there a little bit. But so Ireland also, and we were talking about this a bit before we started

00:12:30.520 recording, like in terms of sources for this story, so much of it is an oral history, which

00:12:35.600 is also interesting because so much of like the history of like America, like the indigenous

00:12:40.220 people is an oral history. So because that's how it's storytelling, right? It's a storytelling

00:12:45.140 culture. Well, that's it. You can actually, I'm actually thinking of officially registering as

00:12:49.060 a storyteller in Ireland because I was like oh technically I am one so I might just go register

00:12:54.480 now but the thing about being a storyteller in Ireland is that it's a very serious thing you

00:13:01.460 know especially throughout history because people assume there's this assumption that when it comes

00:13:06.140 to oral history that it's like a game of telephone that people are going to add bits or remove bits

00:13:10.440 as it goes along but traditionally a storyteller a bard they would learn it as it is and they would

00:13:18.200 memorize it to the point there there was no variation um and you see this a lot with a lot

00:13:23.360 of the mythology a lot of the mythology would would come to a point my favorite way to explain

00:13:29.000 this is there's a a story called clanlar which is the children of lyre and they get they're these

00:13:35.160 kids they get turned to swans they're cursed it's a whole thing and it's very completely pagan

00:13:41.540 mythological up until a point and then suddenly there's a monk at the end of the story and it's

00:13:47.640 when christianity came in so these stories were basically as is and then when christianity came

00:13:52.760 in this bit was added on and then that was the official story and it did not change and so oral

00:13:59.980 history it's very much set in stone except you know in your head but it's not it's it's people

00:14:09.740 assume that if you see something written down it's somehow more real when it's like i could

00:14:15.600 write down anything it doesn't make it right like anybody could write something in their diary and

00:14:22.160 you have like that's my whole thing is like it's bias and propaganda and sensationalism

00:14:27.040 it's easy to write something and for it to also be wrong so but oral history is very

00:14:32.820 you know it's a valid point of history that a lot of the times we don't give the credit to

00:14:38.620 and it seems to me and again this is why you're here as a person who lives in Ireland

00:14:44.320 um to explain things but so much of irish history like it was like i i've done a lot of studying

00:14:51.740 about like scottish history english history um and that's all recorded in a certain way and the

00:14:58.000 records you look at are this is how it was recorded but ireland was just like doing their own thing

00:15:02.060 completely different like it's close to england but they're like it's storytelling it's a

00:15:06.720 storytelling culture they've got these chieftains like they really developed such a separate

00:15:10.320 entire culture from what was going on across the water and when it was written down it was

00:15:15.460 typically written in the annals of a monk or a bishop or something and so it's like how we

00:15:21.780 it's how we know that whiskey was in ireland before it was in scotland and it's literally

00:15:26.960 because and i love this because it's a pun because there was a this this chieftain and he drank

00:15:33.760 whiskey and clearly it wasn't made correctly because he died it was at christmas and he dies

00:15:39.280 and he goes it was not um aqua vitae which is the term for whiskey was not aqua vitae that got me

00:15:45.920 but aqua morte and I was like I was like that's a good last words and that was like 60 years before

00:15:52.400 the first recorded instance of of whiskey in Scotland and so it's it's typically through

00:15:58.080 these religious sort of you know like the book of Kells it's sort of manuscripts on vellum and

00:16:03.080 things like that and that is the only way that a lot of things were recorded for a long time because

00:16:08.100 the pagans didn't write anything down the kilts wrote nothing down not a thing saint patrick was

00:16:12.960 burning the pagan books was he did he what books they didn't write anything down feels like you

00:16:20.380 made that up so this is part of where just what i've been like reading pre-reading about this just

00:16:25.300 to be sort of prepared to talk to you about it um when you see that she was born um during the reign

00:16:31.360 of henry the eighth i'm like oh because just at that point ireland was so separate i'm like oh is

00:16:35.980 that what was happening in another part of the world like that didn't matter to her or to her

00:16:39.740 family like who the king was of england but it's good for context it's good for historical context

00:16:45.020 so that we know what's happening at that point it's like oh she's born during a time where

00:16:49.880 all of europe was run by teenagers and it shows so very much so so explain about so her the o'malley's

00:16:58.200 her family and their sort of what their role well they're based in mayo so she was born in

00:17:04.820 and they are a seafaring clan so effectively they were pirates they did trade and things as well

00:17:13.420 but they also like to be a bit of a raid they were actually banned from Galway they weren't allowed

00:17:18.660 to go to Galway to trade um because of all of their like hi-ho hi-ho um stuff on the sea and so

00:17:27.720 they were they were quite like high up they were they were a fairly wealthy clan effectively

00:17:35.960 and the way that inheritance works as well as you're not you couldn't just be born with a title

00:17:44.400 like I know in sort of in sort of British history you could be born as a duke and you could be born

00:17:49.760 as this to become a chieftain you would have to earn that right and like your son or your daughter

00:17:56.420 wouldn't automatically become the chief.

00:17:59.240 It would be whoever was the next best in line.

00:18:02.540 Luckily, Gráinne is a wee firecracker. 1.00

00:18:07.200 And she's, I think because her mum dies pretty young, 0.55

00:18:11.680 I think she must be under the age of 12 anyway,

00:18:16.000 her mum dies.

00:18:17.400 And so she's effectively raised by her dad,

00:18:20.100 even though, because her dad remarries,

00:18:23.000 as they always do,

00:18:24.220 because blended families have always existed.

00:18:25.960 and we act like that's a new thing but yeah he remarries and she has half brothers and stuff and

00:18:31.340 it's like is he going to become the new chieftain no no he is not but yeah they're just a seafaring

00:18:38.400 family they trade and they have um other sort of clans that are loyal to them so it's like one

00:18:47.520 house is loyal to another house and sort of but they're higher up the food chain effectively it's

00:18:53.100 a real sort of like game of thrones type situation yes like um fealty to this yeah yeah exactly and

00:19:01.560 so they're the seafaring family and so i think this is the perfect time to tell the story of how

00:19:05.920 uh she gets her nickname of grania the bald i love this one basically she's like i want to go

00:19:12.160 on the ship with you father and he's he's like ah you couldn't come on the ship with me because

00:19:17.700 your long hair will get caught in the ropes and you know it's just gonna be too dangerous

00:19:23.520 and and to me this is perfect child logic it's like because kids think of the quickest

00:19:29.840 like simplest solution oh my hair's gonna get caught I'll just chop off my hair I like to

00:19:35.660 think of it as that sort of scene from Mulan where she just cuts it with a sword but she

00:19:38.860 probably used scissors but in my head it's like yeah and so she's like she and he's like

00:19:47.520 you know what you got me and she like this is her father trains her to become an amazing

00:19:52.580 seafaring person like because she has these skills so clearly this is where she learned

00:19:57.100 them from her father yeah so she learns from him and she basically goes up the ranks and people 0.99

00:20:03.300 respect her and this is again even though women during this time had you know better rights than 0.95

00:20:10.440 sort of women across the Irish Sea. Sees are hard. Even so, she managed to gain the respect of not

00:20:18.160 only the men like on the ships, but like everyone around her, everyone knew that she was not to be

00:20:24.900 messed with, which I think is just cool. Which really speaks to, you know, in history, there's

00:20:30.640 so much of like, people say what a person is like, but I think when you see how people treated them,

00:20:35.960 then you can infer more of what they're actually like like how is this and so the fact that people

00:20:41.220 that all the men respected her it's like okay well then we know without saying like and she

00:20:45.520 was charismatic and she was smart it's like well she clearly was because all these this is how she

00:20:49.320 was treated by all these like pirate men she's this like teenage girl and they're like you know 0.96

00:20:55.180 what she knows her shit yeah because otherwise mutiny like mutiny happened all the time and if 0.99

00:21:01.160 she didn't if she wasn't worth you know listening to she would be the first person to go overboard 0.99

00:21:07.320 you know what i mean she would have been done and also just the in terms of seafaring in this era i

00:21:13.080 don't know a lot about it but i mean there's it's such a skill set of knowing to be able to navigate

00:21:18.220 to know how to be able to to do all this stuff with the ship like she just like these are like 0.62

00:21:23.200 practical skills that she took to like she clearly was knowledgeable and capable and yeah and they 0.97

00:21:27.780 were trading as well so they were she so her dad would be taken around to like spain they traded a

00:21:32.140 lot with spain so she could speak um french and latin and spanish and of gueliga irish and

00:21:39.920 i like to think that she could speak english but she just chose not to that's my personal thing

00:21:47.900 she probably didn't speak any english just out of spite but um i feel like she could have learned

00:21:53.060 it if she really wanted to well that's an interesting point too about just people being

00:21:57.820 traitors like yeah you need to become fluent in or at least somewhat fluent in these various

00:22:02.520 different languages so you're interacting with different cultures different places like she's

00:22:05.740 getting she's getting such an education on just the world and how things work and it's great and

00:22:12.120 it's cool for dad that he was like you know what she's great and she can come along she cut her

00:22:17.220 hair I love her and she saved his life once which is a wonderful thing so like they get attacked tell

00:22:22.200 that story yeah they basically get attacked on the ship and he's like get below deck because

00:22:26.280 it's his daughter he's like you're a child get below deck and so down she goes or she at least

00:22:33.120 seems like she's going but then as she's watching a guy goes to like stab a dad and she's like

00:22:40.420 no thank you and just leaps out and stabs the guy and i think being stabbed by you know a 12 year old

00:22:46.920 girl is probably not the way this man wanted to go but it did earn her so much respect because

00:22:53.000 everyone's like let's not mess with this one yeah yeah oh she's just i love i love a little 0.99

00:23:00.920 little kid pirate just like doing the thing but because this is the olden days she is of course

00:23:06.300 married when she's a teenager and can you my god can you how do you i'm looking at the name of this

00:23:11.860 man she married and i'm not gonna even try to say donald donald donald donald donald but like this

00:23:20.400 this this the names that come after that no thanks i'm not gonna embarrass myself by trying to say

00:23:25.860 that oh my god uh i'm just gonna say oh flowerty it's probably the easiest sure yeah it's it's it's

00:23:35.380 donald like it's uh it's it's just part of the flower to can and it's one of those political

00:23:41.260 she's like 16 isn't she when they get married or ish something like that yeah yeah still very young

00:23:47.440 and they're like we need political alliances and he's like let me get some of your land because

00:23:52.480 like i didn't mention earlier because like not only did they have like all their sea stuff

00:23:56.480 but they do own land and they do own like sheep and cows and all that kind of thing so they they

00:24:04.140 own other things where they can make money when they're not out at sea you know so it's not just

00:24:09.940 a, you know, all your eggs in one basket scenario. And they're like, hmm, those Flaherties have 1.00

00:24:16.420 huge tracts of land. Why don't we make this alliance and get them together? And so they have

00:24:24.900 this, they have this, um, political alliance marriage. And again, cause it's Brehen Law,

00:24:32.900 if you're married a year or under, it's kind of like a trial marriage. So that if you, if,

00:24:39.080 before the year is over, you're like, I'm done. Like you open up the window and you shout, I

00:24:43.820 divorcee, but like an Irish. And so, and so that's what she does. Like he's away doing something 1.00

00:24:52.540 and she's ruling the house and everybody in the house is like, absolutely. We follow her. Everyone

00:24:59.480 on the lands are like, she's amazing. We're following her. You know, everyone respects her

00:25:05.840 because if they didn't again being a woman she would just be like they'd be like done you know 0.99

00:25:12.740 yeah if they don't respect her like she will stab you so they did yeah and so also like you enter 0.95

00:25:18.700 the marriage with your own property like as opposed to a dowry she enters the marriage like 1.00

00:25:23.760 with it and if she leaves it she still has that so she's independently wealthy but then she also 1.00

00:25:28.800 gained because she was ruling sort of everything so well that she just kept earning money. And so 1.00

00:25:36.840 she actually came out the marriage wealthier than when she went in it. Can't say much about

00:25:40.980 O'Flaherty though. Not so much for him. Poor Doral. Not a great husband. Not a great leader.

00:25:47.780 Terrible temper. Bit of an arse. And she was like, I don't need this in my life. 1.00

00:25:52.860 i think i'm taking some me time adios and then is it's after she leaves him is this 0.64

00:26:00.680 i want to get to the part where she takes the lover is that which one between these marriages

00:26:05.740 haha the one where she kills everybody afterwards oh i think this is actually i think it's after 0.99

00:26:12.680 the second marriage okay so let's do the second marriage then so yeah because she becomes lady 0.81

00:26:19.840 ladies i've forgotten it now lady something she becomes lady something because she has so many 1.00

00:26:26.160 levels and there's one where they okay i'll just tell the story of the lover so she has the lover

00:26:29.860 and the lover gets is it the kidnapped the kidnapped lover this one it's like she finds a

00:26:35.680 love like there was like a shipwreck and then there was only one survivor and then she takes

00:26:40.260 him as a lover oh yeah um there's because the way that her castle is built is it's one of the ones

00:26:49.100 that go around the left so that you have to hold or it's clockwise so that you have to hold your

00:26:56.260 your sword in your non-dominant hand and so they go up and she ends up just like

00:27:01.620 stabbing a bunch of people there's the one where she gets broken into there's a few

00:27:05.760 there's a few of them that she goes what i'm gonna say is she was out here living her life

00:27:13.520 and having a lovely time but the the one that i just this story just stuck with me like she

00:27:20.140 finally took him as a lover some people were mad about it and then they killed him and then she was

00:27:25.540 so mad about it that she um killed the the murderers and this is why she allegedly what i'm 0.99

00:27:31.500 reading right here she got the the nickname the dark lady of duna for these murders yes 0.81

00:27:38.480 that she does so much of this though it's my it's my favorite thing she does so much of the uh 0.76

00:27:44.900 because like there's one where they try and um kick her out of her own castle and she like sneaks

00:27:52.480 in and like she sneaks in and then she just absolutely murders everybody in the castle like

00:27:58.360 every person who invaded she just absolutely destroys them and it's it's just my favorite 0.98

00:28:04.400 I just I love her so much I love how much of an arse it's just because she has so many lovers as 0.98

00:28:10.220 well and she doesn't care because she's like I can do what I want because I am growing your wheel 0.98

00:28:16.820 she's fabulous she has several children one of them I think there's a story about

00:28:21.920 like she had three children with one guy one child with another one but one of the I think it's the

00:28:27.060 her youngest child was born on the ship while she was while she was on the ship yeah tell that story

00:28:31.540 Yes. So her youngest, her youngest son, he is born on a ship and she's like two or three days

00:28:37.660 postpartum. It's not that long at all. And they end up sort of, the ship gets raided. So, you know,

00:28:45.760 people are coming onto the ship and she's like, uh-uh, no, I'm not dealing with this. Grabs a 1.00

00:28:51.600 bloody sword and she just starts taking people on and just starts slicing through them. It's one of 0.77

00:28:57.420 my favorite ones she just completely annihilates everybody on the ship and um another thing she 0.90

00:29:03.460 did as well which is a fun thing for me is on her like in her castle she actually had allegedly 1.00

00:29:11.080 but I think it's true because of who she is allegedly she has this rope that effectively

00:29:17.200 goes from the bedroom so it was attached to the bed the four poster bed which still exists today 0.99

00:29:23.500 by the way and it would go down to the mast of the ship so she could if she had to make if she 0.86

00:29:28.920 had to make an escape she was just gonna jump out the window she's just gonna like zipline basically

00:29:35.760 yeah i think you're only here for the zipline and she's like listen if they're gonna attack me and

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00:32:04.660 and we're back and i think you mentioned before the thing about she had the castle where the

00:32:10.120 stairs were and my understanding of that was like the way that this was built was to make attackers

00:32:16.040 be at a disadvantage like the way that the stairs were the banister or something it's like you'd

00:32:20.740 have to hold your sword in your left hand and most people are right-handed so they'd be going

00:32:24.400 up the stairs but they're holding the sword in the wrong hand so when they get up to the top of

00:32:27.320 the stairs it's easier for her to just like slice through whoever came up yeah yeah so she which is

00:32:32.040 clever like she was just like i'm going to deal with this she's just like i love it i love i love 1.00

00:32:38.860 that she's just slicing people people just try to mess with her and she's just like fuck that 1.00

00:32:43.700 and also part of what the pirate biz for the pirate business that she was like developing and leading 0.97

00:32:49.820 was i read about a similar thing with the pirate um jung yi sao from who is the chinese pirate who 0.99

00:32:55.380 she would have like a protection racket like she would go to different places and just be like hey 1.00

00:32:59.100 if you pay me money i won't attack you and so just like all the different sort of like coastal 0.62

00:33:04.660 towns she would do that yeah she would go up and down um i remember the castle now the castle that 1.00

00:33:08.900 she lay siege to um it used to be called cox castle and they renamed it hen castle and her

00:33:15.420 and her honor so it's like so she sieges it because she was like you're not kicking me out

00:33:19.540 thank you and then she gets and it's just such a i love it i love it so much she's like i'm doing

00:33:26.620 sound effects here no the sound effects are necessary like she's just like i'm looking at

00:33:32.720 um just this this write-up about her and so this is a phrase so some english guy

00:33:38.600 um said that she was nursed to all rebellions in the province for 40 years oh okay so she's just

00:33:46.740 like in england they've heard of her like people have heard of her like decades are going by she's

00:33:51.560 like a middle-aged lady by this time just like killing it yeah because at that point she's 0.99

00:33:55.400 married she marries richard burke is the second fella she marries richard burke or he's called 0.98

00:34:00.920 iron richard and i think i i think during the entire podcast i called him iron dick

00:34:05.820 because i could and um they become lord and lady burke or deburka technically and and that's when

00:34:18.620 sort of because they gain English titles and she's like not really feeling it because that's when 0.99

00:34:27.160 that's the final child that they have so um that's the final child who's born she sieges the castle

00:34:36.360 because they kill the lover and it was the cock's castle that became hen's castle so Grania is like

00:34:42.700 now she's part of this power couple and they're just kind of like simultaneous to all of this

00:34:47.120 Elizabeth is now in power over in England. And so we've kind of got this like, Elizabeth is there,

00:34:53.640 Mary Queen of Scots is on the scene. And it's just kind of these like women in powerful roles.

00:34:58.440 And there's a lot of men who are just like, what is happening? And they're just like,

00:35:01.320 don't worry about it. We got this handled. And she's, but anyway, England is encroaching more

00:35:07.780 on Ireland, basically. And so she's there with her galleys and stuff. And she's like, 0.95

00:35:12.520 ah she's like oh um Lord Deputy let me offer you my my ships and then she gets caught pirating and

00:35:19.920 they're like oh we have to arrest you now and she's like oh okay and so when she actually gets

00:35:28.260 invited to see Queen Elizabeth I she causes such a commotion because they so obviously Elizabeth

00:35:36.280 doesn't speak Irish or Scots or French and she speaks French but she speaks um she doesn't speak

00:35:41.980 Spanish and um but they both speak Latin and so they converse in Latin with one another

00:35:49.120 and so but when they show up they obviously they do a pat down on Gráinne and they're like oh

00:35:55.540 you've got a knife on you and she's like whoops did I and she's like well we shall meet each

00:36:03.240 other because I am the pirate queen of Ireland so we shall meet each other as royals and Elizabeth

00:36:09.020 the slit all right which is i appreciate that i'm not a huge fan of queen elizabeth the first because

00:36:15.260 i think even though i do like messy women in general but she's typically she's she's got so 0.97

00:36:21.460 much praise for stuff that was built before i'm gonna sidebar for a second a lot of what the 1.00

00:36:29.780 reason that queen elizabeth the first gets all of this like praise and all of this right you know

00:36:34.660 being recognized when a lot of the work was done by Mary but they don't want to recognize that

00:36:39.440 Mary did all the work because she's Catholic and that's it and it's like it's like there's a whole

00:36:45.820 reason that Queen Elizabeth I wore Mary's coronation gown even though she was so into

00:36:51.100 fashion herself like because she's showing like haha you know I'm you know legit this is a proper

00:36:58.680 thing look I'm showing respect to the previous it's a whole thing it's a whole thing but anyway

00:37:04.140 yeah so grong is there and she's meeting elizabeth the first and she the handkerchief she sneezes yes 0.87

00:37:10.420 the handkerchief that's exactly so she sneezes into the hanky and she throws it into the fire 0.99

00:37:16.100 and everyone at court's like oh gasp they're like so shocked at this behavior they're like

00:37:24.260 what is this and grong then explains in latin that like oh in ireland it is seen as like if

00:37:30.920 you sneeze that you must that it's the devil and you have to get rid of the evil and so you have

00:37:37.200 to burn it and so you if I kept the hanky it would be you know I could be bringing evil in here and

00:37:43.960 they're all like oh okay that that makes sense yeah that's a perfectly reasonable explanation 0.91

00:37:49.560 do you think she was bullshitting yeah I think she just wanted to cause a scene

00:37:55.540 yeah i think she's just like oh in ireland we like i think people people now i still do this

00:38:02.680 where it's just like oh yeah yeah you know in canada it's like oh that's totally a thing and

00:38:06.280 then people think it's true and it's not but anyway so she just sneezes burns her hanky and

00:38:11.540 then it's like hey elizabeth queen to queen i'm the pirate queen of ireland like it's this iconic

00:38:17.660 meeting it's so cool it's so cool and she's like i promise never to do any other pirating again

00:38:24.880 and all of Elizabeth's advisors are like you sure she met that and Elizabeth's like yeah no

00:38:31.260 I trust her clearly she is a clearly she is loyal to me clearly you know she is my subject

00:38:38.400 and it's like she literally just called herself a queen and did not have to bow to you

00:38:43.540 like everybody else so you sure about that Lizzie? It's interesting because Queen Elizabeth I who I

00:38:51.340 talked about a bunch when i was doing my mary queen of scots series like she was not usually

00:38:56.040 the sort of person to cut anyone a break especially she was a woman consistently just i mean would you

00:39:02.680 think of what she did to the gray sisters like she is such you know she's so paranoid she's yeah

00:39:09.940 vindictive every chance she gets like it's it's there's no chill there's absolutely no chill

00:39:15.960 but then this happens and she's like it's fine it's like how she showed up with a dagger

00:39:22.820 it's so interesting I know it this is like such a mysterious occurrence and it's it's very it's

00:39:32.100 very unlike Elizabeth but I don't know if this speaks I don't know what it speaks to but I'm

00:39:35.820 going to say part of it is just like she's just like this woman is awesome and yeah it's just I

00:39:41.680 think it's just the goal of it all i think because like when you think about everybody else that

00:39:47.060 elizabeth dealt with everybody else regardless of whether they were a king or a queen or whoever

00:39:51.700 there was protocols there was stuff that they were trained to do and although clearly you know 0.94

00:39:57.740 clania had been trained in certain social skills um because there's no way that she could have

00:40:02.860 survived like five minutes at court without it you know especially as you know lady lady burke you 0.92

00:40:07.860 know but for this for her to actually show up and instead of doing what everybody else would do

00:40:16.120 she's the first person to really to really sort of see themselves on an equal footing

00:40:22.220 and also not act like they were not on an equal footing because a lot of the people who would

00:40:29.740 come to see you know elizabeth they would try and you know placate her they would try and sort of

00:40:34.400 cajole and you know catch more flies with honey than vinegar or they would try and like aggressively

00:40:39.820 show their hand where she's just like i'm here hello and it's like that you know like the next

00:40:47.240 if someone else came in and tried that same thing elizabeth would be like you're being executed now

00:40:51.440 but somehow yeah graña came in and elizabeth was just so startled maybe or just charmed she's just

00:40:57.380 like whoa she's like i just feel differently and i i'm okay with it yeah i think like just in this

00:41:02.440 one instance i think also she's like a pirate queen tell me more well you know what elizabeth 0.99

00:41:09.380 she liked a pirate man right like she loved like the the privateer so maybe she's just like i fuck 1.00

00:41:15.100 with pirates and i fuck with this pirate and yeah this is fine i love a pirate and that's her 1.00

00:41:21.220 weakness maybe maybe i'd love to know i'd love to know what was going on in her head about that 0.99

00:41:25.960 because it's the one thing it's an anomaly when it comes to this and somehow grania's just like

00:41:30.860 it's fine but this is also something that like it's in the irish like um storytelling history

00:41:37.260 but it's this is like something that people in england were like and then grania came and she

00:41:41.820 threw her handkerchief in the fire it's like this is documented as well so it's like this is not

00:41:45.500 being exaggerated yeah it's there's so many documents like yeah but it's documented by like

00:41:50.540 so many people that this happened and because as well and when it came to her arrests which

00:41:57.100 there were many um because they were all documented because they were documented by

00:42:02.160 agents of the crown so like um like bingham and like bingham bingham hated hated us so much

00:42:10.400 he really hated her he was one of the um the lord deputies and he was just like

00:42:15.500 i need her gone she keeps like having rebellions like and uh she goes to

00:42:25.800 dine like there's this you know that it's it's like a game of thrones like if someone offers

00:42:31.900 you bread in their house like they can't kill you it's like a whole thing and so they end up

00:42:37.720 like murdering her son and she's like and now I'm coming for you because she was just like I'm sorry

00:42:48.000 like she doesn't even like she didn't even like one of her sons like but she was like okay you

00:42:52.800 killed one of my favorite sons how dare you like no thank you this is not happening like she was

00:43:01.820 just just a wee bit mad you know about this like and so she ends up like getting pardons 0.99

00:43:12.420 like for like the other the son that was involved in her uh helping her you know start little

00:43:19.800 rebellions against the crown throughout the country and so yeah but and she's like she's

00:43:26.040 like 53-ish when she meets yeah queen elizabeth the first which is glorious i'm like yeah i love

00:43:33.700 that you're just like you're like oh you're in your 50s and you're like i'm still doing this

00:43:39.020 and then she's like i'm gonna go mess with the queen well this is what i appreciate too like

00:43:45.020 there's some there's various you know often like victorian era paintings of like the when these

00:43:49.740 two queens met each other and they make them look like young and pretty and it's like no they were

00:43:53.640 both like in their 50s yeah they're both old yeah it's like two middle-aged women who are just kind

00:43:59.960 of like they've lived a life and they're both just kind of like you know what you're cool you're okay

00:44:04.220 it's not two like young ingenues being like oh yes it's like no it's like two battle axes and

00:44:10.200 i like that and like the only and they even die within like months of each other as well

00:44:13.840 like there's only a few months in between their deaths so like when she's what and her what was

00:44:19.780 And it's like 71 when she finally dies, Gráinne?

00:44:23.640 Something like, yeah.

00:44:24.320 It's like, depending on when you think her birthday is,

00:44:26.280 like we're working from this kind of timeline,

00:44:29.160 but like she's in her 70s and she's still pirating.

00:44:32.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:33.640 Until the end, which is just my favorite, favorite thing.

00:44:38.960 It's like, she's still, there's records going.

00:44:42.560 And so there's this old lady pirate

00:44:44.440 sort of going around the coast of Ireland,

00:44:46.740 you know and they say they say that she's here but like Gráinne also there's this whole thing

00:44:53.520 with her in the Spanish Armada right it's like oh she ends up I think it's in Donegal actually

00:45:00.620 where she has to I think I assume it's either Burtonport or Killebeggs where her ship has to

00:45:06.200 get rebuilt because it gets damaged because she's pulling sailors from the Armada out and so she's

00:45:13.500 just like oh yeah come with us you've all get dark here you look like one of us it's fine

00:45:17.380 so and she's she's amassing yeah and the loyalty of the of the sailors that she's got with her

00:45:25.960 um part of what i was reading was saying like there's some sort of relationship where

00:45:29.960 sort of some scottish people would come over and they would sort of have fealty to certain

00:45:34.960 irish families or clans and so she would have these scottish guys who just kind of come over

00:45:39.460 and be her like and they were so loyal to her so it's like but she also learned scots yeah yeah so

00:45:44.720 like like she learned their language which i think is a thing as well where she would just be like

00:45:49.340 she learned spanish she learned scots she was like i want to interact with you so i've learned

00:45:54.640 this you know and i think that would have gained her that extra respect because she took the time

00:46:00.980 to be able to communicate with them when others just wouldn't have you know she was so like when

00:46:08.560 i generally think of pirates i don't think about like the education and the skill but it's like of

00:46:13.820 course that was important and she clearly had that but i like that these scottish mercenaries

00:46:18.400 sort of guys like when she left that first marriage she's like okay and i'm taking these like

00:46:22.820 500 scottish men with me because they are my work like she's just like i've amassed a fleet and

00:46:27.780 there are my guys she had like an army and she had a fleet and she had like a couple of like

00:46:31.580 three galleys and she had and so she just kind of i just love the fact because she was like 0.68

00:46:37.860 eh, husband's not really here that much 0.99

00:46:39.780 and yet still managed to have three kids.

00:46:42.300 Don't, we're not going to question it.

00:46:44.680 We're just going to accept it.

00:46:46.140 And nobody questioned it 1.00

00:46:47.540 because they're like, they're gronias. 1.00

00:46:48.760 Doesn't really matter

00:46:49.360 because she's the one who's important. 0.98

00:46:51.660 And she's going to stab you if she doesn't. 0.93

00:46:54.300 I, when I read that she, 0.53

00:46:56.100 like she lived to age 71, 0.99

00:46:57.640 which for a pirate,

00:46:58.900 no matter your gender, pretty great.

00:47:02.400 She, I was just thinking

00:47:04.220 because I was at the gym the other day 0.98

00:47:06.040 and there's a woman there

00:47:06.980 who is about that age her name is fanula irish name yay i love that i got excited i'm like

00:47:12.160 fanula is the strongest person i've ever seen and she is like five feet tall 100 pounds she's like

00:47:20.980 the first time i started i'm like oh who's this tiny woman and she's lifting the biggest weights 0.78

00:47:24.560 she's like this tiny woman and she's all muscle and i'm like that's how i picture grania now i 0.99

00:47:29.780 picture her just being this like gray-haired lady who is just like so strong yeah i just imagine her 0.99

00:47:36.060 just like picking up a barrel and just like putting it over one shoulder yeah 0.96

00:47:39.140 sword in one hand meat in the other exactly well it's like the the story about when she

00:47:46.220 like had just given birth and then she came out to like kill everybody um one of the the versions

00:47:51.320 that i read people like she came up and she's like oh no poor me i'm just a woman everyone's

00:47:55.040 like oh no it's a woman she's like ha ha i'm a woman with a sword like she could play off being

00:48:00.200 underestimated at times just based on what she looked like i'm a lady stop yeah oh she's so 1.00

00:48:09.040 killer i love like and she like she you said like she was arrested various times but she always got

00:48:14.460 out and then she just how is she commemorated like besides in the stories which i think is a great

00:48:19.980 way to remember her like are there you said that there was like one of the castles there's a museum

00:48:24.580 yeah the castles are still there like they've actually got her bed on display my ex was there

00:48:28.640 with his girlfriend and um and she was like the father of my children we're good friends and um

00:48:34.200 and his girlfriend was like wait that's Granja O'Malley's bed we should take a photo of it and

00:48:37.420 send it to us so she said I was like thanks guys and uh there was like there's a Granja O'Malley

00:48:44.140 museum now um there's statues there's songs uh there's a gin which has the wrong name and so

00:48:52.140 I'm not too happy about that one but like there's there's there's not that many books about it

00:48:57.920 because because of the type of storytelling it is because a lot of the information isn't written

00:49:03.760 down um because a lot of when people write books they write it based on older books a lot of it

00:49:11.840 and so when there isn't that same source material there's just a lack of that kind of thing she will

00:49:19.240 be in my book though plug shameless plug yes no i when i was preparing for this i was like just

00:49:26.880 reading up on various things about you and what you're up to i'm like oh you're writing a book 1.00

00:49:30.500 that's about just like badass bitches from history and grania is one of those people yeah yeah harlots 0.99

00:49:35.780 whores and hussies the bad the title has changed a few times depending on the publisher but um 1.00

00:49:42.280 it's like the lives of the bad women of history and it's effectively women who have been 0.98

00:49:46.000 misrepresented so like uh for a lot of the time like when you read initially when you read about 0.91

00:49:50.540 like grania valley a lot of it's like she's a whore she had lovers she did this she's and i'm 0.99

00:49:56.000 like oh so we shame that now let me tell you how cool she was yeah exactly exactly so yes shameless 0.91

00:50:03.860 plug obviously and when your book comes out we will be talking about it and i'll let everybody

00:50:07.260 know sending you a copy oh hell yeah i'll put a blurb on it so on this podcast we score everybody

00:50:15.300 in four categories which i sent you i think and we'll see how grania fares and i think she's going

00:50:23.460 score quite high in some categories the first category is scandalousness which is how scandalous

00:50:31.480 was she seen by people of her time by the people around her oh oh zero to ten it's a zero to ten

00:50:39.280 no no i know i know but the question is is this in her culture or in the cult or in sort of the

00:50:46.880 anglo-irish sort of british culture like that see because those are two different things because

00:50:52.260 she wouldn't be seen as that scandalous well like a four or five if it was sort of irish based but

00:50:57.600 if you're taking it from like queen elizabeth's side you're probably talking you're probably

00:51:01.460 talking a nine and a half to a ten yeah and i think we can interpret this i think i think i

00:51:09.640 would veer on the side of the nine and a half to the ten because it's like people around her were

00:51:14.540 like yeah this she's a pirate and we respect her and but she was interacting with the british who 0.99

00:51:19.280 were horrified by her yes yes she was in all of the ways she was fighting them she was blowing her 0.99

00:51:25.760 nose into their hankies doing all the stuff she i mean she was all these things that like british 1.00

00:51:31.140 people were just like a woman taking lovers but it's like yeah and she's also massacring people 1.00

00:51:36.940 like she's also leading rebellions like she's everything yeah she's like i've just given birth 1.00

00:51:44.260 let me stab you so i i think let's say a nine let's say nine to sort of average out how high

00:51:52.600 it would be in england with kind of how less high it would be in ireland are you okay with that

00:51:57.020 nine nine is fair nine definitely yeah um i think yeah a 10 would be she'd need to be shocking the

00:52:05.560 people in ireland also but it feels like back then and to today everyone's just like hell yeah

00:52:10.820 graña do your thing no one was too upset with her but also i love that it was a culture where 0.97

00:52:15.440 you could just be like i divorce you bye like yeah basically and i'm taking my shit with me 0.97

00:52:20.040 like but what a what a good situation um the next category is scheminess which is how 0.99

00:52:27.960 10 that's easy of a plan she always had a plan yeah and then a backup plan yeah like when she's

00:52:33.540 she's a sort of arrested in her fifth in her 40s and she's like oh no i am an old lady and her son's

00:52:41.660 like oh i'm gonna have to deal with it and she's like son and he's like oh well i'm gonna have to

00:52:45.860 get her out of this and she's like yes you are and then um and then she's like yeah i'm gonna go all

00:52:51.200 the way to the top in her 50s and she then goes to queen elizabeth and it's like ha ha ha so yeah

00:52:56.140 she is schemey she's schemey she's schemey i mean she showed up to me queen elizabeth carrying a

00:53:01.200 dagger like she's yeah i think like always prepared and she's like if i don't get to

00:53:06.300 stab someone i'm going to at least shock the court yeah well and i feel like also everything 0.98

00:53:12.180 to do with her just day-to-day pirate business like she was coming up with schemes and plans 0.99

00:53:17.220 she was learning scots so that these guys would be loyal to her she was doing all this trade she

00:53:22.340 was innovating different ways for pirates to be like i think yeah no she was always thinking of

00:53:28.560 what to do, and then executing that flawlessly. 0.98

00:53:31.900 A lot of what she did was stabbing.

00:53:34.080 I mean, which I am 100% behind.

00:53:38.520 Yeah, that's what she needed to do. 1.00

00:53:40.560 And that's how she lived to be 71 as a lady pirate in olden days. 0.89

00:53:45.400 So is the secret to long life stabbing? 0.90

00:53:49.320 Okay.

00:53:50.080 It might be.

00:53:51.180 It might be.

00:53:52.180 I'm not sure I would attest the theory, but I am tempted.

00:53:55.140 I'm often tempted.

00:53:55.960 um the next category is significance oh see i think she's very significant like in general because

00:54:06.040 of what she represented then because she still represented the ireland of old

00:54:11.520 and yet she was a part of that sort of anglo-irish because she had to you know she kind of

00:54:20.080 her son ended up as one of the lords and yeah and she showed like how women were like if it wasn't

00:54:31.660 for her like being documented in this way would we have known that anybody else like her existed 1.00

00:54:37.580 because if she existed chances are there were going to be other women who were doing something 0.99

00:54:41.680 similar if not the same you know they would have been you know on ships they would have been taking

00:54:46.360 lovers they would have been sort of holding their own but we don't have that record and so I think

00:54:53.760 that's significant because it gives us an idea of um the culture of the time and I think she's

00:54:59.760 very significant now especially with my argument about reclaiming her name because it's I think

00:55:06.200 she's very relevant because it shows that we can reclaim women's history and give it back to them

00:55:12.000 tell their story as opposed to the very biased saint that has been told for so long so I'm gonna

00:55:18.680 go I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with a nine I'm gonna go with nine and a half nine and a half

00:55:22.100 for nine and a half and I would from what I'm hearing I think also just like her importance

00:55:28.340 her significance as an Irish icon like a person whose name was Irish who was fighting for Ireland

00:55:34.140 like I think that's like through all the all the history of Ireland of people constantly trying to

00:55:39.180 take it over and whatever like she's a symbol of yeah resistance oh yeah yeah she's very much the

00:55:46.100 irish fighting spirit and i appreciate that her story like so much of it sounds like tall tales

00:55:55.260 it sounds like a fake like a made-up story but it's not like she actually was this cool there

00:56:00.020 was this person who is this iconic and that's why the story is survived because yeah she was so

00:56:05.520 notable yeah i think if like here's the thing there's nothing about the story that sounds

00:56:13.100 too out there you know it's like because even if you compare someone like buddhika for example

00:56:20.140 you know there's there's we know that people like this existed and to assume that you know

00:56:27.000 um like fighting jack churchill could do whatever he did and think that's completely normal we 0.93

00:56:33.340 accept that as information but to assume that someone like gronger couldn't do what she did is

00:56:37.640 i'm sorry but that's just sexist no exactly she seems very high the last category i think this

00:56:46.460 might be one in which she might not score high no because this is the sexism bonus this is where we

00:56:52.040 give bonus points this is often like if it is somebody where the story is like she was married

00:56:56.100 at age 10 and she died in childbirth age 12 where it's like sexism really got in her way she couldn't

00:57:01.920 score other things because yeah i don't know that sexism got in grania's way very much because the

00:57:07.600 culture she lived there's definitely a bit but like the culture she lived in it's not like she 0.99

00:57:11.440 married a shitty guy and she's stuck like later on it affected her like when the when she got 0.93

00:57:15.500 arrested and stuff because they got even madder because the fact she was a woman 0.97

00:57:19.240 but like even that but like that's so much later on you know it's so i don't think it really

00:57:27.920 yeah unless you look like the way that she like you were saying how she is how she has been

00:57:33.300 remembered often as this kind of like shocking person because she doesn't fit into the stereotypical 0.99

00:57:37.540 role but at the same point this category is kind of there for those women who were not able to run

00:57:42.900 around stabbing and being pirates to give them some points but ranya i think she's got her point

00:57:47.520 it's a real margaret beaufort category yeah who's still not a good person by any stretch of the

00:57:53.960 imagination but also did have to give birth at like 12 so i feel like and yeah she went through

00:58:00.980 it so sexism i'm feeling like a three i was actually gonna go for a two i was gonna go

00:58:08.040 i'm gonna do some quick math um not um you know what i feel like grania could probably do math

00:58:16.240 in her head she's doing all these like i feel like she could do math i was actually gonna say

00:58:20.220 that earlier i feel like she would have had because if she's trading she'll have to know

00:58:24.000 numbers even in her head like it just seemed like something she would have to the amount of

00:58:30.560 knowledge it's true like i'm thinking about you know i just i'm really getting appreciation today

00:58:35.020 for pirates and how smart and multifaceted they had to be to do okay as a pirate her total score

00:58:42.500 is a 31 which on this show anything above 30 is notable basically i'm just gonna see who else who

00:58:49.860 else is in that category just so you can know where she's fitting um agrippina from ancient

00:58:54.440 rome she's a 31 she's good nefertiti from ancient egypt 31 yeah i love nefertiti yeah so she's up

00:59:02.520 here gania is up here like amidst the queens that's that's beautiful tell everybody like you

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01:06:37.460 i mean try not to stab anyone but sometimes think what ww grania do like what would she do she 1.00

01:06:46.420 she probably would stab somebody but you could also do something else like just like in your 0.96

01:06:51.640 head imagine you're stabbing somebody i don't know i mean happy holidays etc and i mean we'll 0.68

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Vulgar History - December 18, 2024

The Irish Lady Pirate, Gráinne O’Malley

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