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00:35:45.920and we're back yeah actually speaking well i guess we have them speaking of france but
00:35:53.780i wanted to ask you what you not just your thoughts which i think you can assume but what
00:36:00.760what reaction you saw when the paris opening ceremonies last year had the beheaded marie
00:36:07.420Antoinette in the conciergerie I saw I saw some backlash to that which I was glad to see
00:36:15.620uh I thought it was just crass um a bit and just super tacky you know it's just um I thought that
00:36:23.540the whole thing was supposed to be like a celebratory event but yeah let's like um go back
00:36:28.700to like something like quite distastefully bloody that happened in our past that you know was0.75
00:36:33.960basically an act of judicial murder i mean if russia ever allowed to host it again what they're0.71
00:36:39.160going to do they're going to have like the the romanovs being like shot in the window exactly
00:36:44.720it's like it's like it's the fact that marie antoine that was executed publicly does not0.50
00:36:55.100make it any less of a murder than than the shooting of nicolas the second in his family
00:37:01.280you know it's just a judicial wiping out by you know it's it's not it just didn't seem appropriate
00:37:09.860it's like if in the London ones we'd had I don't know if we'd had the beheading of Anne Boleyn
00:37:16.740I was going to say actually like Jack the Ripper and his victims you know it's not on the par isn't
00:37:21.800it it's like murder is murder it's getting rid of someone for whatever reason um it I just didn't
00:37:28.100think it was appropriate it just didn't seem there's like so many nice things that they could
00:37:31.780have had but you know no they chose not to and I yeah I just thought it was a bit grim a bit tacky
00:37:39.660they can be really tacky with the like general use of media though you know you should see the0.92
00:37:45.320websites the French use it's still like geocities whenever you go on French websites it's just like
00:37:52.080what the yeah i i um in my day job i work for a public library in canada and so we order books
00:38:01.740in french language and there's such a difference between books that are just english books
00:38:05.940translated to french or books from france the books from france are all so like children's
00:38:11.080books they have the weird most disgusting illustrations and they're all just like the
00:38:15.580story of the happy poo and his voyage in the toilet and then he dies just like the most
00:38:21.640bizarre things i'm like france is a strange place if this is what if this is what they're producing
00:38:27.280for their children to read like i don't know what i just think it's weird that when you look at
00:38:34.960french books they often look awful like they're like i don't know and this has been going on for
00:38:44.060a really long time it's like ai they look like not even ai they're not even that good they just
00:38:50.120look like someone just got a picture of something you know when people take um posts on you know
00:38:54.600when people like uh publishers like really crack publishers will sort of bring out editions of
00:39:00.300Wuthering Heights or something yeah but there's no relation whatsoever to Wuthering Heights and
00:39:06.260everyone laughs at it on social media that's what French books are all like it's like why is there
00:39:12.460a picture of an iron on the front cover of a tale of two cities that sort of thing it's like this is
00:39:22.360this makes no sense why have you got some spoons on war and peace we don't know and then yeah that
00:39:31.980it's just awful i've got yeah i've got a lot of french books and most of them are okay but some
00:39:37.460of them it's just like whoa why did you go with that font nice yeah really grim so that was like
00:39:43.500the whole the whole opening ceremony is like parts that I found charmingly strange but the
00:39:48.220Marie Antoinette concierge especially after I did my research like I just re-watched that's why I
00:39:52.600brought it up I re-watched the Olympic opening ceremonies a few weeks ago and I was just like
00:39:56.340oh that's because I remembered I didn't remember what palace it was that they were and I'm just
00:40:00.960like that one like they're there like the place where she spent the devastating last days of her
00:40:07.340life and then you've got that and then they're playing this heavy metal song you've got like
00:40:11.060fake blood like I know that that like that was a choreographer or somebody like designed that
00:40:17.540the olympic committee or somebody in general to your knowledge how is Marie Antoinette thought of
00:40:23.880in France in general they seem to be sort of just distantly affectionate you know they don't hate
00:40:32.940they don't really it's like a just a general sort of it's not even nearly how we regard
00:40:41.500Anne Boleyn in this country though there isn't that same sort of you know people in this country
00:40:48.640genuinely kind of like really love Anne Boleyn um I'm I don't um I'm not really a Tudors person
00:40:58.320and um yeah i mean you've you'll see her image on staff um but it's not like she's not as present
00:41:07.820i think perhaps as people think she's going to be if you go to paris you can think oh is there
00:41:13.440going to be loads of marie entoinette stuff that there isn't you know which might be one of the
00:41:17.140reasons why you know chinese visitors or whatever get there and they're really disappointed like
00:41:21.260where's all the marie entoinette stuff there's not much um there isn't that same sort of like
00:41:27.160real it's not like when you go to like like berlin and there's queen louise stuff everywhere or
00:41:34.720salzburg and there's mozart stuff everywhere or austria and there's empressisi you know um or i
00:41:42.200suppose scotland we have mary queen of scots um it's not like that it's she's not that prevalent
00:41:49.000in their social media then she doesn't pop up in adverts all the time or yes it's kind of it's
00:41:55.400kind of odd and maybe it is because of this sort of sense of well lads we did fuck up a bit there
00:42:00.880didn't we yeah i heard from i know i just know from again just your social media that you post
00:42:07.000videos and pictures sometimes from versailles you've obviously been to versailles oh yeah yeah
00:42:12.600i've heard from one of my listeners who went there that they found that she wasn't as present in
00:42:18.220Versailles as they would have thought is that yeah experience as well uh well yeah I think um
00:42:26.380might I mean I've been going to Versailles I've been a lot I mean the first time I went was in
00:42:33.0601989 and uh the last time was a couple years ago when I lived in the town for a month um to do my
00:42:40.220research um so I spent a lot of time just wandering and by about the second week I was just walking
00:42:45.900past the chateau not even looking at it like just like oh yeah just walk past the palace
00:42:50.640whatever you know um which was quite the privilege um and um yeah i always think of
00:42:58.300versailles being kind of like they seem to zone things a lot in the palaces and stuff so you know
00:43:05.480they'll have like it's particular themes so fontainebleau they try and really sort of lean
00:43:09.300it towards napoleon versailles i think they prefer to lean it more towards louis the 14th
00:43:14.980it's the 14th world if you like and Marie Antoinette's part is you know her main apartments
00:43:24.500obviously you can see her private apartments upstairs and then you know but really if you
00:43:29.740really want the Marie Antoinette stuff it's like in the petit train on um out in the gardens um so
00:43:35.960it's not really yeah she's not like everywhere it's just contained in those particular areas
00:43:43.860but there's louis the 14th everywhere you know it's it's his palace it's his yeah it's very much
00:43:50.820but then you know there's sort of little these little bits downstairs because um you know they
00:43:54.860have got like um the apartments of her aunts um downstairs and they're gorgeous um and the
00:44:01.900dauphin's apartments and the dauphin's apartments where her children lived um but they're kind of
00:44:06.860like set up as they were during uh louis the 16th's parents residence yeah but it's not like
00:44:14.080a big marie entoinette fest when you go there you know it's which i kind of wish it was but yeah
00:44:21.980i feel like i'm just i'm from canada if you i feel like what i would have expected is if you
00:44:29.940go to prince ed rhode island and of green gables you cannot escape and of green gables every store
00:44:35.880every pub every like it's just everywhere it's a it's the braids it's the hat it's
00:44:41.640angry gables land puffsley everything carriage rides it's everything
00:44:47.240and they have so many tourists especially from asia who go there because that's what they want
00:44:53.100they just want so i would imagine those same tourists would come to versailles or come to
00:44:57.260paris and just expect marie antoinette world and to not get that is interesting but also feels
00:45:03.260very French they would be like tourists want this who cares like yeah I mean that's very French
00:45:08.680isn't it they just yeah I mean I mean they've even I mean I suppose that says something because
00:45:14.260in the conciergerie uh pretty much the first time I ever went they had the Marie Antoinette cell
00:45:21.120with the Marie Antoinette model sitting yeah and the replica of the fleur-de-lis wallpaper and the
00:45:28.340guard like a model guard and it just set up as it would have been when she was in there and that
00:45:34.220was every single time I went after that that cell was there and then the last two times like um I
00:45:41.040went to Paris um the year before so about six months before lockdown started um and um it had
00:45:52.100gone it'd been replaced by you know an information display um and that was still there the last time
00:45:58.380i went which was two years ago and um they and i just found that really interesting that this
00:46:06.800had been such an integral part of the conciergerie experience this like the fake cell and
00:46:11.140yeah but but they always they were always honest about the fact that this is not actually where
00:46:17.820her cell was this is just a cell that has been made to look like Marie Antoinette's cell and
00:46:23.860it's been like this for decades so we're just going to carry on with this you know and and
00:46:28.940gradually I think things started being taken out to make it look less tacky and finally they just
00:46:35.220went you know what this was never her cell so it's not herself so we're going to just put a display
00:46:39.860about the French Revolution in this area and we don't have a Marie Antoinette cell anymore we're
00:46:45.600just going to make clear that the little room to the side of the chapel which is the memorial like
00:46:51.440it's got the memorial to her in there um this is actually all the remains of her actual cell um
00:46:57.560and i found that actually quite interesting and i sort of like okay marie entoinette vanishing from
00:47:03.140the stuff that's associated with her now um that i thought i think it's an interesting decision
00:47:10.020i will say that the conciergerie shop is still the best place to buy books about the french
00:47:15.260revolution and Marie Antoinette it's got the most it always has been just the most awesome books
00:47:19.240it's just incredible but so you know that's still good but yeah it's kind of like people go to the
00:47:24.640concierge you're expecting to see where she spent those last days they're going to be really
00:47:30.260disappointed because that it hasn't been like that for a while and other places where she
00:47:35.220had more presence she seemed absent you know like there isn't that much of her in the Louvre
00:47:41.880you know I think they have a little room now and that's only been a recent development and before
00:47:48.460her stuff was kind of scattered but now they have a Marie Antoinette room and it doesn't even have
00:47:52.760that much so it's it's interesting that you know and Fontainebleau you know it's got like a couple
00:48:00.400of rooms and a bed chamber but that but then they they kind of I think they kind of prefer to
00:48:06.340position the bedchamber is like josephine's bed rather than the nets um but that it was marion's
00:48:12.360bedroom so it's kind of things like that where they almost just sort of i don't know she's just
00:48:18.540maybe they think it i don't know it because i mean obviously people go there wanting that stuff
00:48:23.680it's kind of been kind of taken away and yet versailles will you know because they have their
00:48:30.960policy of um reacquiring art they still do that so obviously they got that lovely duplessis
00:48:38.240portrait a couple years ago like two three four years ago um of the young marie entoinette when
00:48:44.480you know in the first year that she was living in france oh the one the one that she didn't like
00:48:48.700that one yeah yeah she didn't like any of her paintings so like absolutely none um no that's
00:48:55.160not true but you know it seems to be the general trend um but they have got it on display and it's
00:49:00.420but it's not in one of the rooms like most of their paintings are it as part of the the room
00:49:05.380decor and that one i thought i can't really remember actually i think it's um when you're
00:49:10.420coming out of the hall of mirrors and it's just in its own little alcove and it's on display on
00:49:16.300its own as a new kind of acquisition um which i thought was interesting but at some point it'll
00:49:21.320probably get moved into a bed chamber or something i suspect i don't know yeah i always think that's
00:49:27.740kind of sad because you know I really want to see the Marie Antoinette stuff even if no one else does
00:49:32.100but apparently I don't know I don't know if I am hoping at some point in the future I can make a
00:49:37.860trip to to Paris and to Versailles and all I would want to see would be the Marie Antoinette stuff
00:49:42.980well exactly yeah I mean I'm always kind of been I've been thinking for years actually about doing
00:49:48.820tours of it um I'm just not well organized I have ADHD so I'm just not organized at all um but yeah
00:49:56.380so at the moment i just take my boyfriend around he's quite interested like so i haven't been to
00:50:02.080see the exhibition yet because um i'm gonna i was well we're going for my birthday and
00:50:07.420next week it's my birthday next oh my god my birthday is next week happy really with it
00:50:14.000thank you um so yeah we're going for my birthday because i love going to stop with mark because
00:50:20.060he doesn't really know anything about stuff like that but he loves hearing about it so
00:50:24.720we're just going to go all around I'm going to talk to him about every single thing and he will
00:50:30.640listen because he's very well trained that sounds like the perfect boyfriend for you I'm very happy
00:50:37.500you have so much I one of the reasons I started my podcast is because I want to talk about all
00:50:44.200this stuff and I'm like no one in my life is interested so I'm just going to talk to the
00:50:49.300internet and I found lots of people who are interested oh my god that is so cool I should
00:50:55.000I'm just not organized enough to have a podcast plus I'm just like socially awkward and um yeah
00:51:02.120my my sleep schedule but you've got all of your books I mean like this is how you're sharing
00:51:07.860you're not I don't need to have to actually literally talk to someone I'm so happy that
00:51:15.200you had this conversation with me because honestly I told you at the beginning like I'm so like
00:51:21.080Marie Antoinette just in the brain I'm like I can't I need to have a conversation about her
00:51:27.240with somebody who gets it who knows all these things and just from your social media and stuff
00:51:32.940and like we had like we like we've messaged each other a few times but I was just like I would
00:51:36.680I need to have this conversation with you I need to like work through my feelings about all this
00:51:41.800but I want to say and remind everybody your book Marie Antoinette Teen Queen to Guillotine available
00:51:46.740now yes yes it is now available um I don't know when it's coming out in um on the other side of
00:51:55.940you know there are ways that we in North America can acquire books yeah the Americas yeah but um
00:52:05.360I'm I mean I've just sent out a load of books over to Canada and America um that were all
00:52:11.780ordered via my fiance's website so that's the link that I'm primarily using for that for pre-orders
00:52:18.560um and it has been okay like Rommel let us do it so I don't know because I was like oh my god am I
00:52:26.780gonna be able to send these or not so so the good news is um I don't know I can't speak for Amazon
00:52:32.640or my publisher or anyone else but if anyone in the Americas um wants to order them directly from
00:52:38.740me i can actually make sure they're sent to them whether they get to them who knows but that part
00:52:45.280it's it's possible it's possible that i can actually get them to you so that's actually
00:52:50.480really good news because i've been hearing i mean all sorts of do me things about oh you won't be
00:52:54.600able to send them to people and stuff so actually yeah i can actually send them um i don't actually
00:52:59.620know when it's officially out but at least then i can get them to people yeah and i'll put the
00:53:05.620you don't I'll put the link to to that when I post this episode so everybody can can get them
00:53:10.900are you signing them is that true yes I am signing them in French and in gold pen even
00:53:18.680and that's that's so Versailles yeah gold pen and they can't obviously people don't see this
00:53:25.020but I didn't realize until I got them that the end paper it's like pale pink
00:53:32.060pale pink and the actual book itself is pink and they've never done that for me before
00:53:38.240I when I first honestly like I love I just want to say your books are mostly or they're all with
00:53:43.540pen and sword and I am a real fan of every time I'm trying to research some obscure person from
00:53:50.660British history the one biography that exists is from pen and sword so I respect their books a lot
00:53:54.680but I've never seen one from them look this good yeah it's a beautiful book yeah my uh Mark my
00:54:01.100fiance actually designed it oh yeah we they have like a the I just didn't want the usual designer
00:54:08.300because they just do like kind of traditional history books um and I had a very definite idea
00:54:13.220of how I wanted my book to look um and Mark is incredibly good at design um he isn't a designer
00:54:20.880um but he designs like this is his um this just happens to be on the table I'm not plugging it
00:54:26.200because he's done this in Edinburgh but he designed like his flyer for Edinburgh he does
00:54:31.620like he just does it just does amazing um so I asked him to do this um and this is yeah and this
00:54:39.740is this is what he came up with for my um my book and I just I love it so much luckily the publisher
00:54:46.080absolutely loves it so um all my books going forwards I mean I've got covers for them online
00:54:52.740um but I'm going to quietly let those drop off the ground yeah um because he's going to be
00:54:58.720redoing them so all my books are going to look kind of cool like this and I think like you know
00:55:05.100the exhibition the V&A exhibition it's Marie Antoinette style and I do think the aesthetic
00:55:09.520and the look is so much of her story and her image so I think having a book that looks so
00:55:16.540appealing it just seems appropriate for her you don't want to have one of these boring covers
00:55:20.720for a Marie Antoinette book like no yeah I mean so many of them just look so boring
00:55:26.780um and I just thought no I want to lean into that whole you know uh the film Marie Antoinette kind
00:55:34.520of vibe with it so it's got the back cover is like it's bright pink um everybody should look
00:55:41.160at the cover but even just the title teen queen to guillotine like you know that this isn't going
00:55:45.260to be a boring biography yeah it wasn't ever meant to I mean the sort of books I want to write
00:55:50.420are you know like those really old-fashioned kind of biographies that were written like novels
00:55:55.420and you know and we all used to devour them when we were kids you know we found our grandmother's
00:56:01.160houses and there'd be like really trashy like books about like ambling and shit like that and
00:56:05.640it would be like you know and i mean nowadays people certain historians whom i will who who
00:56:13.020we've messaged each other about yeah yes um well you know would obviously say that these people
00:56:18.600are terrible and we shouldn't be reading their books but um you know they just gave us so much
00:56:23.720enjoyment and there was such a a window into history and these lives of these incredible0.89
00:56:29.620people and it doesn't matter that they were like really overdramatic and you know a bit ridiculous
00:56:35.240um and a little bit trashy perhaps they were just so entertaining and history should be it doesn't
00:56:41.760have to be dry i mean yeah you know if you no one i'm not expecting anyone to use my book to
00:56:48.620research an essay or you know that's not what it's for i mean you could because it's you know
00:56:56.160it's not made up so yeah and it's stuff is you know it's it's a book about my answer net i mean
00:57:02.820you know it does what it says on the tin basically but that's not its primary function what i actually
00:57:08.420wanted to write was a really cool biography that people could like take on holiday and read yes
00:57:13.700exactly perfect and as a person who has read this book I will say that is how it is it's like
00:57:19.060readable it's like there's other biographies I read and I have to kind of pause and stop and
00:57:23.660then be like oh let me just like I don't know look at these footnotes or whatever yours is
00:57:27.560just like you just devour it it's it's very readable so your goal achieved oh yeah I mean
00:57:34.780that's basically what I want I just want people to like kind of read it and then and kind of think
00:57:38.760oh this is like clipping along at a good pace yeah it's really good I'm really enjoying reading
00:57:42.780this I've got like I can totally visualize all this like crazy shit and like these mad clothes0.94
00:57:48.320they're wearing and what the fuck's going on and um and you know actually like because I mean I was0.95
00:57:55.360a novelist first so I kind of try and also my degree is actually in art history so the visual0.91
00:58:01.360elements the portraits the art uh what really you know the bones of the books that I write so
00:58:08.600I'll always talk about the portraits and um you know and the decor and how people looked and stuff
00:58:15.380because I just deal with things in a very visual way um and um yeah so I just wanted people to be
00:58:22.640able to like visualize things and just get really into it um but also it just not to be heavy I just
00:58:28.600doing one to be heavy and obviously i write a lot of books about people getting their heads chopped
00:58:31.760off apparently that's my thing um so um yeah i mean it's hard i mean i mean i suppose that's
00:58:39.860the problem with writing history books like they always end with someone's death yeah yeah and
00:58:44.960that's that's the thing that i find in i mean i found in your book like it's fun to read as you
00:58:49.340go along you're not just like little did she know this was the last time she would ever see her son
00:58:53.800like i hate when books do that where it's like no she didn't know that so don't tell me that like
00:58:57.840you want to be there with her she doesn't know what's going to happen next but yes it's always
00:59:02.360so hard to write the end because it's such a tragic ending but yeah so i was looking through
00:59:06.780earlier because i was signing loads of copies and getting them ready to send out and um i hadn't i
00:59:12.280mean it's been a really it's been over a year since i turned it in and for editing and stuff
00:59:18.100so i haven't i just completely forgotten it and i actually read the last line um when you know
00:59:23.720spoilers she gets guillotined at the end guys i'm really sorry um and i read that last line
00:59:31.860that i wrote and i was just like oh what did that was that's actually really well and i i really put
00:59:38.280that well that's actually really sweet because you know i don't know if you remember the last
00:59:42.640i don't remember specifically is this gonna be a spoiler i mean we we all know the end of the
00:59:48.500story it's fine um hang on I was just like oh in a heartbeat the noise and roar of the crowd
00:59:56.940and brightness of daylight all faded away to nothing and Marie Antoinette was at peace at last
01:00:03.100and I was just like oh did I write that oh sad isn't it
01:00:09.620that's actually like oh it's actually quite quite lovely yeah that's a really nice way of putting it
01:00:16.820you know because we felt i think when i when i wrote that it felt like being on such a roller
01:00:22.580coaster and it was just all this stuff happening and it was just getting worse and worse and worse
01:00:28.540it was like a fly trapped in the spider's web where it's just the more it struggles the worse
01:00:33.640things get and um and it yeah and then i just i just thought well how would i feel you know and
01:00:41.840it was like honestly the thought of as she's dying i mean she must have just thought thank0.86
01:00:50.640fuck for that i know i was just thinking yeah exactly she had been wanting to die for a while0.89
01:00:57.160just because like just get me out of this just yeah it was yeah and she was free she'd finally0.99
01:01:03.980escaped and it's i don't know she's so let down by people like if her mother was still being alive
01:01:09.240like none of that would have happened none of it well so much just like the you know unsung
01:01:15.240villain of the whole her whole life was really smallpox and just how it kept killing off
01:01:19.740crucial people that just really pivoted the king um anyway just the i agree i think if her mother
01:01:28.940had been around things would have been different but it's like 750 things had to all go wrong
01:01:34.100in order for this to be the result and they all did yeah she was so unfortunate but um
01:01:42.320yeah but at least she got to try curry she found it a bit too spicy didn't she yeah but I just love
01:01:49.180the fact that every so often I do think of this I thought of it earlier today just pops into my
01:01:54.100head sometimes like Marie Antoinette had curry like how cool is that it's like it's one of those
01:02:00.400unexpected weird things yeah you just don't you know you sort of think oh yeah when was curry
01:02:07.280invented oh when we had when that had curry you know and we know what she thought of it and i
01:02:12.880just think that's i just think that's wonderful i think it's really neat i love those yeah just
01:02:17.760those humanizing details which is like oh that was a person and she didn't live that long ago
01:02:22.380in the grand scheme of things yeah no i mean because we've got photos of um empress marie
01:02:29.240Louise who was like a great niece um who was married to Napoleon and there's photos of her
01:02:35.460and that's it's just that's just insane to me you know there's photos of guys who are
01:02:41.860I mean really old they were they were old at the time but you know guys who fought at Waterloo
01:02:46.680there's like photos of them as old men it's just like it's not that long afterwards I mean
01:02:52.300if Marie Antoinette had lived a full span of life and I'm not sure she would have done because I
01:02:58.040think she was actually really quite sick yeah but yeah and i think that might have always have
01:03:03.180happened then i mean it it's possible that she could have been maybe still alive in the 1840s
01:03:12.960and we would have had photos perhaps maybe when would i think people have photos then we've got
01:03:20.200photos of like a reasonably like early early photos but yeah well and even marie louise i one
01:03:26.960the things i read suggested that she apparently looked a lot like marie antoinette so to have
01:03:31.960photos of her it's kind of like okay people who knew marie antoinette and saw her said there was
01:03:37.040a resemblance and we can see a photo of her so you can kind of yeah i just find it yeah it's just so
01:03:43.680interesting but yeah it just wasn't that long ago really in terms of generation and um yeah it's
01:03:54.080just so in i just find it so interesting it's just such a weird so weird poor thing but um
01:04:01.200yes so the next book should be next year so hopefully i mean i just want to thank you again
01:04:09.180thank you so much like i know you don't do podcasts usually but i really feel honored that
01:04:13.260you joined me for this conversation i'm so happy to have this conversation with you i think like
01:04:17.900the listeners too we're all in withdrawal we're all in marie entonette withdrawal after like going
01:04:21.980through all these episodes for so long and so i think your book is a great thing that if people
01:04:26.480want to really dive in and learn even more details than what i was able to cover oh everybody should
01:04:32.100read it everybody should read it but also just also everyone should follow you on social media
01:04:35.220because you're constantly even when i was doing the podcast you post about some portrait i hadn't
01:04:39.740seen before i'm like wait what's that portrait and then suddenly i had to put that in my podcast
01:04:42.960because every portrait has a weird story i know i love all that i used to just post constantly
01:04:49.700about her portraits um so i've been delving out those the old research and stuff and just like
01:04:55.460sticking them on my sub stack because i don't i can't think of anything else to talk about
01:04:59.300because i too just think about it 24 7 basically yeah um so yeah that's uh i mean i do more post
01:05:08.120i do more podcasts if people let me do them at like three o'clock in the morning
01:05:12.920the time zone looks so great for me yeah the secret is just north american people
01:05:17.600yeah I just won't do any more UK ones because if people expect me to do stuff during the day
01:05:23.460it is not happening like I sleep until like one o'clock and then I get up and I roam around
01:05:30.960drinking coffee and shouting at my cats and then around about midnight I come to life and yeah so
01:05:39.540it works out so because usually when I'm interviewing people from the UK for me it's
01:05:43.960like okay i'll wake up at 6 a.m and for them it's like three in the afternoon or something like that
01:05:48.440like that oh my god i wish i'd known because there's no way you would have had to do that
01:05:53.040seriously no this is perfect perfect for me too yeah but yeah thank you so much for taking the
01:05:58.660time to talk to me um and everyone should read your book and order it from you and i'll i'll
01:06:06.120message you when this episode is going to come out just so you can know if you want to share it and
01:06:09.880stuff but yeah again thank you so much thank you so again you can follow melanie burrows on
01:06:20.080substack she's on instagram she's on threads all of her accounts are called madame guillotine but
01:06:24.520it's mme guillotine is where you can find her and then also her book marie antoinette teen queen to
01:06:29.940guillotine is available to buy the best place to get it as she said is probably from from her
01:06:35.560fiance's website, which is markburrows.co.uk. I'll put a link to that in the show notes as well.
01:06:41.280So you can get your personalized signed copy in French with her gold pen. Even just look at,
01:06:46.300go to the site to look at this book. It's a beautiful looking object. And again, I'm so
01:06:49.980grateful to Melanie, both for writing this book that really helped me with my research and also
01:06:54.340for joining me for this conversation. And I promise we're moving into our next era on vulgar
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