Vulgar History - Women Behaving Badly, part 6： The Super Secret Spy (Rerelease)

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to vulgar history of feminist women's history comedy podcast i'm your host

00:00:15.900 anna foster and today we are revisiting season one episode six so over the past few weeks i've

00:00:22.680 been re-releasing all the episodes from season one which was six episodes long can you imagine

00:00:27.380 If you imagine me doing a six episode season at this point, I mean, no spoilers, but the

00:00:33.760 next season I'm working on is going to be at least 20 episodes long, each one an hour

00:00:38.700 and a half, but I'll give you some clues as to what that's about afterwards.

00:00:43.000 Anyway, today we are looking at the episode about Lucy Percy Hay, who was a lady spy,

00:00:50.200 which is to me, the coolest kind of spy.

00:00:52.380 Because I like, I like the whole thing about like a underestimated, like women in a society 1.00

00:00:56.580 where they're underestimated using that against people so they can like do sneaky things it's just 0.70

00:01:01.260 it's a vibe it's a it's a trope if you can call like actual people and what they did a trope one

00:01:06.880 of my favorite things so the reason i'm re-releasing this in the previous five episodes

00:01:10.700 has been because season one came out of the gate like i wouldn't be where i am in the podcast

00:01:15.860 without those episodes but uh the audio quality was not as good as it later became and so this

00:01:20.820 is a way to remind you of where we started and also just to make these episodes maybe a bit more

00:01:25.640 enjoyable to listen to. And what's interesting specifically about this episode, I was looking

00:01:32.620 back through my notes just to remind myself about when and where this all took place. And it's like,

00:01:37.160 oh my gosh, there's so much overlap with episodes we later did and stuff that we talked about in so

00:01:41.700 much more detail. Like she was around the court of James I slash six, the son of Mary Queen of

00:01:48.260 Scots, who, you know, Anne of Denmark was there. Like, and then she got involved, like when she's

00:01:53.680 a lady spy when she's doing her spy shit that's because she was working on behalf of charles like 0.94

00:01:58.880 hot king charles ii my shameful crush so it's just interesting to see like this is my first 0.98

00:02:05.380 episode i did set in this time period we've done so much more later so it's really like coloring

00:02:09.120 in the experience i think to listen to this knowing what we know now also i had forgotten

00:02:13.680 that george villiers is involved in the story george villiers who i'm not sure what the release

00:02:20.140 date is but there's that new julianne moore series coming to stars called mary and george which is

00:02:25.960 about the two of them she's the mom and then george villiers is her son and about how she

00:02:30.900 sort of like pimps him out to james king james and how maybe they then murder king james like

00:02:37.060 in this episode i say like oh and then james died and then here's what george villiers did

00:02:40.460 but this is um the tv show suggesting like what if george killed him so anyway george villiers

00:02:46.480 as part of this story. I did a whole, so this asshole about him as well. 0.98

00:02:50.460 I did an interview on a podcast ages ago where one of the questions the host asked me was, 0.95

00:02:54.720 what's one of my episodes that I feel like is maybe under discussed or I'm going to feel like

00:03:00.540 could, you know, I feel like it's more interesting than the amount of feedback I've gotten about it

00:03:06.260 or whatever. And I said this one, and I still think that because, you know, there's flashier

00:03:09.880 things like Mary Toft or whatever. Lucy Hayes story, I think is really cool and really interesting.

00:03:15.160 and i first came across it because she's a descendant of the boleyn family and there's

00:03:19.300 just like every in every generation someone of the boleyn family it was just like the it girl 0.66

00:03:24.180 at royal court also not to mention the fact that she was kind of mentored by tits out francis

00:03:29.800 howard the first one anyway it's a story with so many connections to so many other things like one

00:03:34.880 day somebody might choose to listen to all these like british history episodes of vulgar history

00:03:39.820 in chronological order to see like who was around when who else was around i have sort of a spreadsheet

00:03:44.680 but it gets convoluted. Anyway, Lucy Percy Hay. I love this story. I love to shine a spotlight on

00:03:50.260 it again. And so I hope you enjoy listening again for the first time to the story of this,

00:03:54.900 my favorite, Renaissance era, Lady Spy.

00:04:03.100 Hello, my name is Anne Foster, and this is the Vulgar History Podcast. This is a feminist women's

00:04:09.340 history comedy slash storytelling podcast. And today, I'm really excited about the woman who

00:04:15.660 I'm going to talk to you about, not just because there's going to be an unexpected crossover moment

00:04:21.180 with a previous person who we've talked about on this podcast, but just because this is a woman who

00:04:26.040 so much exemplifies what we've been looking at all season long, which has been the phrase that's

00:04:31.900 become an aphorism, really, which is that well-behaved women seldom make history, which is,

00:04:37.620 as I've discussed in the other podcasts, but maybe you haven't heard them or just you could 0.98

00:04:41.800 use a reminder. The historian, Dr. Laurel Thatcher Ulrich, said this statement in a paper she was

00:04:49.260 writing about Puritan burial rituals or something like that in the 1970s. And instantaneously,

00:04:56.420 it became just sort of a catchphrase for women's history in general. And what she was saying,

00:05:02.600 Laurel Thatcher Ulrich, is basically there's been so many people through all of history,

00:05:06.220 All different genders who we don't know about for various reasons because of their marginalizations, because of who is in power and who is writing things down. But in the Western canon of history, which is what I've been researching mostly to this point, women show up far less than men do.

00:05:26.960 and that is because it was societally the expectation that women would be quote-unquote

00:05:35.240 well-behaved and just kind of stay at home and run the household which was a big job and people 0.99

00:05:40.440 knew it was a big job and you got trained up to do it that's what you're doing if you were a rich

00:05:44.860 and powerful woman and if you were a less powerful woman then you were just working all the time and 0.74

00:05:49.040 raising children and basically to be a good woman in this time and place and the time and place we're

00:05:56.560 looking at today is 17th century England meant that the greatest thing you could do is for no

00:06:01.660 one to write about you when you were alive and for no one to write about you after you had died

00:06:06.060 because you were just so well behaved. You didn't make a ripple at anything, which means that the

00:06:12.020 women who we know about tend to be the ones who did not behave. I mean, quote unquote, behave, 1.00

00:06:17.340 which is what we've been looking at for the past five episodes and for today's episode as well.

00:06:22.300 and we are going to be talking about a woman who was born Lucy Percy who got married and then she

00:06:29.420 became known as Lucy Hay the Countess of Carlisle and she was a spy not just a spy a lady spy what

00:06:37.900 is the distinction I'm making there between the word spy and lady spy nothing really other than

00:06:43.280 just to say that I think it's worth noting that she was a spy who was a woman we tend to hear a

00:06:50.760 lot more about man spies, and I'm happy to talk about a lady spy. She's also literally a lady 1.00

00:06:56.620 with the whole family pedigree, etc. And I'm so excited to do this as a podcast, especially

00:07:04.400 there's several moments here that are going to cross over with characters who we know from

00:07:08.740 previous episodes of this podcast slash people from history in what I'm starting to think of

00:07:14.900 as like the tutor slash steward england expanded cinematic universe i'm so excited when two people

00:07:21.960 or more than two people suddenly a career occur in other people's stories i'm like they were alive

00:07:27.220 at the same time and place mind-blowing to me and there's some great moments like that in her story

00:07:33.320 because she really bridges a bunch of eras that we've looked at a bit so far in this podcast and

00:07:39.840 she's just sort of like on the forefront being amazing throughout all of it. One of the things

00:07:45.940 that strikes me about the story of Lucy Percy Hay is that she was really just like the right

00:07:51.860 person born at the right time to do so much interesting, amazing stuff. To her, she might

00:07:58.860 think like, this is like, you know, there's that, that other aphorism. It's like, may you live in

00:08:04.820 interesting times. And that's like a curse. Because when things are interesting, that also

00:08:09.900 means it's chaotic and a mess. And it's really stressful. This is where I think she was born at

00:08:14.640 the right place, right time. Like, even if she was like, this is a bit much for me. Like, spoiler,

00:08:19.660 at one of the points where she is in the Tower of London, she might have thought like, okay,

00:08:25.280 this is a bit much. But frankly, I think the amount of chaos surrounding her was like,

00:08:31.440 perfect because it allowed her to just thrive in this amazing way. So to really set the scene of

00:08:37.960 what she was born into, we need to go back ways to an incident that I am not going to get into

00:08:47.320 in any great detail, but it's the gunpowder plot. So the gunpowder plot was a thing that happened

00:08:54.220 in 1605 and just to be super quick about it because this isn't this is just some background

00:09:01.660 this isn't the actual story of lucy but it's important background stuff effectively a group

00:09:08.120 of people involving a person named guy fox decided that they wanted to explode the houses of parliament

00:09:15.120 and kill the king and the king at the time was james the first james the first being the son

00:09:22.520 of mary queen of scots and so what the gunpowder treason plot people wanted to do is to blow him up 0.94

00:09:28.880 because they didn't want him to be king anymore they didn't like him they also planned to kill

00:09:34.460 his son the prince of wales who's going to be the next king which was prince henry and then their

00:09:41.600 plan was to take james's nine-year-old daughter elizabeth and make her the new queen but she would

00:09:47.660 be like a puppet and the conspirators would sort of be the ones in charge in a parliamentary sort

00:09:52.720 of setting. And they chose Elizabeth, who was nine years old, despite the fact that there was

00:09:58.920 also a younger son. So they wanted to get rid of Prince Henry because they thought he would

00:10:02.600 probably fight back too much. He wouldn't be a good puppet. Choose the younger brother, even

00:10:07.120 though usually, you know, in this situation, boys became kings before girls became queens

00:10:14.080 because little baby Charles was just a little toddler who just learned how to walk.

00:10:19.400 And because Elizabeth, who 100% I'm going to do an episode about at some point later in the future,

00:10:25.000 was just like really poised and had already done some events where everyone was like impressed 0.94

00:10:29.420 with how much she seemed like a little mini queen, even though she's nine years old.

00:10:33.680 The plan didn't work. They did not expose the houses of parliament. All the people who were

00:10:39.740 involved were arrested and mostly executed. And one of the conspirators who was implicated,

00:10:48.780 but not killed, was the father of Lucy Percy, who was a man named Henry Percy, the ninth Earl

00:10:55.200 of Northumberland. So his thing is, he's got a lot of things going on. Firstly, he was known as

00:11:06.300 the wizard Earl because he did a lot of science experiments and was just a weirdo. So Dorothy and

00:11:13.380 Lucy were both already born when the whole gunpowder scenario happened. Lucy, who's our

00:11:20.180 main character today, so she was born probably around 1600, so like five years before the gunpowder

00:11:24.780 plot. She has a slightly older sister, Dorothy, who was born probably a year or two earlier.

00:11:31.320 And I mentioned Dorothy as well, because the two girls were, they weren't twins, but they were so close in age and their lives were really, really connected all the time. And there really is sort of like Jessica Elizabeth Wakefield situation where Dorothy was very much the sort of like quiet, nice person who kind of the well behaved. And Lucy was just sort of like this 17th century Jessica Wakefield type person who I'm so excited to tell you about.

00:11:59.980 but basically there were these two girls they also had two younger brothers whose names were

00:12:03.700 Algernon and Henry but basically in the year 1605 gunpowder plot happened their father was involved

00:12:12.040 in it but the thing is that he wasn't directly involved in it so he knew he was charged with

00:12:19.520 knowing about it and not notifying the authorities but not of actually having done anything so he

00:12:25.760 wasn't executed. Instead, he was sent to live in the Tower of London, where he was put in jail for

00:12:31.280 16 years. And he was really rich. This is a sort of situation where we've had a couple people like

00:12:39.320 this in the podcast before, where you're a rich person and you're in the Tower of London. It's

00:12:43.220 not like, oh no, I'm in a jail cell and this is miserable and horrible. It's more like, okay,

00:12:48.160 I'm rich. I'm in the Tower of London. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pay off all the guards.

00:12:51.660 I'm going to build this all up. So it'll be like this luxury apartment for myself. I'm going to

00:12:56.420 have servants. I get to go stroll around the grounds every day. And he's the wizard Earl. So

00:13:01.200 he's like also doing his science experiments, etc. So this is the situation. He's off being

00:13:07.160 the Tower of London, just kind of, I don't know, like living his best life. Meanwhile, his four

00:13:13.580 children, so the two daughters, Lucy and Dorothy, and their brothers Elginon and Henry are off sort

00:13:18.840 of, you know, being raised by effectively a single mother, their mother's name, also Dorothy. Oh,

00:13:24.220 side note. So their mother is Dorothy Devereaux, who I need to, just so we get the lineage straight 0.99

00:13:31.240 here, was the daughter of Latisse Knowles, great grandnieces of Anne Boleyn. And so there's some,

00:13:41.300 this family, just like every family, sort of like, again, to take it back to Sweet Valley High.

00:13:45.640 if you've read or are familiar with the sweet valley high sagas which are these amazing books

00:13:50.520 i loved when i was a kid i recommend them heartily to you now i'll put a link in the show notes

00:13:55.320 but basically they're books about how every generation are basically these two twins

00:14:00.340 who are sort of like jessica and elizabeth and it's like what were they like in the roaring

00:14:05.100 20s what were they like during the great fire of san francisco just every generation the same

00:14:09.680 situations kept coming up time after time and they kept not working out right or whatever

00:14:13.600 Sometimes I did. In the Anne Boleyn family lineage, it's like every generation there was some sort of Anne Boleyn type person who was just like amazing and took the world by storm. And in this generation, that person was Lucy. So her father is in jail. Lucy and her siblings are just kind of being raised basically free range, which was the style at the time.

00:14:37.860 if you were rich you just sort of like let your children they go to classes and stuff but their

00:14:42.780 mother wasn't like hands-on with them or whatever and also the thing is that her parents did not

00:14:49.500 like each other very much because the wizard earl was as it turns out a nightmare person and so

00:14:58.340 his wife dorothy she was kind of better off without him basically like she

00:15:04.920 half-heartedly would sometimes like write some appeals to the to the monarch being like can you

00:15:10.100 maybe let him out of jail or whatever but she didn't she was kind of better off without him

00:15:15.120 the two of them were were just sort of really the situation worked well for them basically and so

00:15:22.300 lucy and dorothy would go to visit their father sometimes in the tower of london slash his luxury

00:15:27.420 apartments he had made for himself there and this is kind of what was going on in the world for the

00:15:34.020 first part of everybody's lives so the thing is that lucy and dorothy were sent to court to be

00:15:40.740 uh you know presented as young eligible young women and the thing is they were both gorgeous

00:15:46.260 like sometimes you hear that about people from history and you look up their portraits and

00:15:50.740 without the context of their personality or their charisma you're like okay sure but like

00:15:55.920 with lucy and dorothy especially with lucy you're just like oh man like she is gorgeous and so she

00:16:03.000 totally took everybody by storm they're all just like who is this woman she's amazing she's 18

00:16:08.020 years old we all adore her she was like immediately sort of the queen bee and she fell in love with a

00:16:13.340 man whose name was james hay who is older than her but was also like super stylish he was like

00:16:20.720 he would wear the most interesting outfits and this was a time when both men and women just wore

00:16:25.720 like huge balloon sleeves like lots of colorful things he was just this fashion plate like super

00:16:32.540 popular guy. She was this gorgeous 18 year old woman and they fell in love and she decided she

00:16:37.160 wanted to get married. And her mother was like, sure, whatever, because whatever, but she needed 0.86

00:16:42.580 to get her father's permission. So meanwhile, Dorothy also had a man who she wanted to marry

00:16:47.060 both. No, I think Dorothy actually had married someone. So Lucy and Dorothy went to their father

00:16:52.460 to just be like, surprise. And the wizard Earl was not a fan of what was going on. I mean,

00:17:00.120 dorothy had already got married so he couldn't really do anything about that but lucy he was

00:17:04.640 just like oh i don't want her to marry a scottish person because he was racist against scottish

00:17:10.920 people there's a quote where he said i cannot endure that my daughter should dance any scottish

00:17:16.520 jig and also he just didn't like her choosing her own husband etc so while they were visiting he's

00:17:23.640 like great dorothy can you just like step aside for a minute and dorothy did and then the wizard

00:17:28.280 Earl was like, ha ha. And then he just like grabbed Lucy and kept her and made her stay with him in

00:17:34.320 the Tower of London. Sort of a prisoner. She hadn't been arrested for anything, but basically

00:17:39.400 he just wouldn't let her leave and he was bribing all of the guards. And so she was basically trapped

00:17:44.240 there with him. But get ready for this. Because do you know who else was in the Tower of London

00:17:50.220 at this exact same time? Was Francis Howard. Tits out Francis Howard, yes, from episode two of this

00:17:57.680 very podcast the uh confessed murderess the woman who faked her hymen virginity test when she was

00:18:06.400 trying to get extricate herself from this marriage she didn't want to be in anymore the woman who

00:18:10.900 assembled a team of like six people to murder a man who were getting in the way of her marrying 0.96

00:18:15.680 another man francis howard necklines to her waist she's in the tower of one at the same time when i

00:18:22.780 read that i was just like what is happening so the wizard earl was in the tower of london being rich

00:18:28.600 francis howard also in the tower of london being rich they're both just basically living in like

00:18:32.880 luxury apartments they're like roommate they're not roommates they're like neighbors in the tower

00:18:38.560 of london and the wizard earl was like you know what francis howard is like such a sophisticated

00:18:44.960 gorgeous interesting person i like her so much like he would write letters to his wife being

00:18:50.520 like, you know, who's great? Frances Howard, this woman who is in jail with me. She confessed to 0.93

00:18:55.400 murder. I really admire her. So when Lucy was there, 18 years old, and the wizard Earl was like,

00:19:00.980 okay, I really want my daughter to like, stop being so headstrong and like become like a better,

00:19:05.760 more fancy person. You know who she needs as a mentor is Frances Howard. He got Lucy to spend 0.95

00:19:12.760 time with tits out Frances Howard, because he thought Frances would be a good influence on her.

00:19:19.500 which is just like great this is like passing of the torch from like one it girl to the next 0.57

00:19:29.000 so francis howard wasn't like oh lucy here's like the rules of society and here's how to 1.00

00:19:33.500 be well behaved because that is not the tits out lifestyle that we know and love her for

00:19:37.740 instead what francis howard did was she was like lucy why don't you come here like she learned

00:19:42.560 about lucy and how she wanted to marry james hay and so francis howard would invite lucy to stay

00:19:47.900 with her at her apartment in jail because jail apartments and they would invite um lucy's

00:19:55.220 boyfriend over and the two of them could like make out or whatever and francis howard was like

00:19:59.260 their very godmother it was oh my god i love it so eventually lucy was allowed to leave jail

00:20:08.640 having now learned like from francis howard just all the skills of how to be like the most amazing

00:20:12.860 person in the world and basically and so lucy left jail and she married james hay ta-da she 0.60

00:20:21.820 probably danced a scottish jig probably screaming screw you dad and instead of just being the

00:20:26.560 daughter of this disgraced gunpowder plot person she was this fancy lady and so everybody loved 0.55

00:20:32.280 her even more for this the two of them they wore these amazing outfits like flamboyant gorgeous

00:20:38.040 her personality was written about as much as her immense beauty she was like sassy sarcastic just

00:20:44.820 like living it up James Hay was like the most dapper of all the men there like everybody just

00:20:51.040 worshiped them at this point uh the king had he really liked Lucy's husband James Hay and so James

00:20:58.140 Hay got the job of groom of the stool which sounds like not a great job but in fact is a great job

00:21:05.560 because the groom of the stool means to be, you're alone with the king. Like you're the

00:21:09.420 most trusted advisor. You're with the king when he's at his most vulnerable, e.g. when he's on

00:21:14.100 the toilet. And so only the person who the king likes the best gets to be there. And that's where

00:21:18.520 you get to talk to him and no one else is there to like have their point of view as well. The king

00:21:23.900 was so pleased with James as his servant that five years after the two, after James and Lucy

00:21:30.620 got married, he made James the Earl of Carlisle, which made Lucy a countess. So James was super

00:21:37.740 good, not just at wearing amazing outfits, but also at diplomacy and politics stuff. And Lucy

00:21:45.160 was just like the shining bright star of everything. Everybody just like worshipped and adored her

00:21:52.060 because she was so smart, so witty, and she was so immensely beautiful. Literally every poet and

00:21:59.460 musician she ever met decided, like declared her their muse. And so they all wrote poems and or

00:22:04.880 painted images in tribute to her. At one point, Lucy contracted smallpox. And I want to mention

00:22:11.160 at this point too, that it seems like Lucy had some ongoing medical concerns. And they're the

00:22:17.480 sort of things that today, potentially, physicians might not be able to say what all was going on

00:22:25.580 with her but back then especially they weren't. So there's some one biography I read suggested

00:22:32.040 that she had like quote-unquote hypochondria which just is like like if you think you're sick

00:22:38.140 if you're having symptoms like don't call it hypochondria especially with a woman. Like back 0.99

00:22:45.920 then women's medical concerns weren't understood at all. Psychological things weren't understood 1.00

00:22:50.860 at all like she was clearly having some she had ongoing um chronic illness of some sort in her

00:22:56.780 life and then at one point this turned into or it didn't turn into but she also got smallpox and so

00:23:02.600 she was gorgeous she knew she was gorgeous being gorgeous was like a main part of her personality

00:23:08.000 and so she freaked out that she was going to lose her looks and everybody else freaked out she's

00:23:13.260 going to lose her looks and so she started wearing a mask uh to cover while she was still healing

00:23:18.280 and then she's really scared to take off the mask but she thought everyone would be grossed out by

00:23:22.560 her because she might be slightly less beautiful and so this sort of became a fashion trend i think

00:23:27.940 like she was wearing the mask to hide the scars and then other people started wearing masks too 1.00

00:23:31.380 so she wouldn't feel weird about it like in that scene from mean girls where katie cuts out the 1.00

00:23:37.200 holes in regina george's uh shirt and then regina george starts just wearing a shirt with holes then

00:23:42.920 everybody wears a shirt with holes like Lucy was so she was an influencer basically and you know

00:23:48.980 much to the relief of all of her fans when she finally took the mask off guess what just as

00:23:53.700 beautiful as before not disfigured at all so in 1625 which is so Lucy herself is 25 years old now

00:24:04.620 King James the first died and if you remember from the gunpowder plot the whole thing was they wanted

00:24:11.200 to kill the king and then kill his son and then make Elizabeth the queen. And meanwhile,

00:24:17.280 toddling around was little baby Prince Charles. But what had happened is that in the meantime here,

00:24:22.980 Prince Henry had died. Girls don't take over thrones before boys in this situation. And so 0.67

00:24:29.780 the new king unexpectedly was Charles, who became known as Charles I. And so Charles I,

00:24:36.900 so new younger king he was a big fan of lucy and james because everybody was because they were like

00:24:43.100 the it couple of the world he was also indebted to them because james had been part of the

00:24:48.980 negotiating team that had arranged the king's king charles the first marriage to a french

00:24:54.340 princess named henrietta maria so there was an overall change of staff when it went from king

00:25:03.000 James the first to King Charles the first. And one of the only people that carried over from one

00:25:07.700 king to the other was a man named George Villiers, who was one of King James's lovers, probably like

00:25:18.120 sort of his final lover after the whole Robert Carr situation ended with murder and jail. George

00:25:24.660 Villiers was this. So again, it's the sort of person who you hear like, oh, he was so good

00:25:31.180 looking and you're like, hey, look up a portrait and you see it's like a guy in a wig. And you're

00:25:36.200 like, I guess for a guy in a wig, he looks okay. George Villiers, the first Duke of Buckingham,

00:25:43.120 super handsome looking. I say that objectively because he was a horrific monster, garbage 1.00

00:25:51.980 person he was um awful he was the worst he was horrifying um and he was a lover of king james 0.99

00:26:04.040 the first allegedly and then even though most of the other advisors sort of like were swept away

00:26:09.540 he stuck around because he had sucked up enough to king charles the first that he became king

00:26:13.860 charles the first this advisor as well so george villiers the uh duke of buckingham is one of those

00:26:21.960 guys he got the title because he the king just liked him enough he was like guess what i'm giving

00:26:26.580 you a title hooray everything's amazing okay so he was the sort of guy george villiers first duke 0.71

00:26:33.460 of buckingham who would be like not just like a womanizer but basically serial rapist situation

00:26:41.480 where he would find a woman who he thought looked pretty or whatever or who he wanted or whatever 0.86

00:26:49.040 and so he would go to her house and then bribe all for servants to go away and his servants would 0.97

00:26:55.080 stick around and then he would basically rape her and then sometimes make her be his mistress 0.76

00:27:01.960 was kind of his mo this is what he did and so lucy hay's husband james was sent away to be like 0.97

00:27:12.680 an ambassador somewhere he was sent out of town and while he was out of town george villiers was

00:27:17.320 like, oh, she's like the most gorgeous, beautiful woman here. She's like amazing. And the two of

00:27:22.920 them become involved. And so I don't want to necessarily say that this was against Lucy's

00:27:30.280 will, but also did she consent to this? It's a big old gray area, but basically what happens

00:27:38.240 is the two of them become involved for several years. Buckingham is so powerful at this point,

00:27:46.260 george villiers aka buckingham side note this is what makes it so challenging to me personally to

00:27:51.460 read the books about this because everybody has a name a last name and then also a title

00:27:56.060 and you need to remember not just the person's name but also their title

00:27:59.560 anyway george villiers duke of buckingham was the most powerful person other than the king

00:28:05.460 basically because he was so slimy like again it's just like a little finger scenario he's like a

00:28:11.380 more powerful, grosser Littlefinger. I can't believe that in the course of doing these stories,

00:28:17.280 Littlefinger is like the least gross option. Anyway, so he convinced the king to send James

00:28:25.180 Hay away so that Lucy Hay would be on her own. And then they became involved. And so this could

00:28:31.580 be a situation where Lucy was like, I see how this could be good for me and she's into it.

00:28:36.320 it could be a situation where Lucy is like, well, this is happening, might as well make the best of

00:28:42.160 it. I'm not sure. But basically, the two of them become involved. And because of their involvement,

00:28:48.860 Lucy gets some benefits to her personal life. So she became named Lady of the Bedchamber to the

00:28:58.620 Queen Henrietta Maria. And this is like the woman version of groom of the stool. So it's basically 0.68

00:29:04.080 the highest role a woman could have at court and lucy and henry and maria did not always see eye

00:29:10.780 to eye but they became quite quite close and so george wasn't just like doing a solid favor for

00:29:19.900 this woman who he had forced to become his mistress or who had wanted to become his mistress

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00:31:57.260 two arrives september 24th distributed by realm and we're back george basically wanted to put her

00:32:03.680 there because that meant that lucy could keep an eye on the queen and then lucy could report back

00:32:08.020 to him so he george would know what was going on so he could like scheme better but the thing is 0.81

00:32:14.600 that henrietta maria the queen was like she was no fool she could see what was going on because

00:32:20.900 part of what was going on was also that George Villiers was likely setting up Lucy to become

00:32:26.840 the mistress of Charles I and Henrietta Maria didn't want that she didn't want to be friends

00:32:31.720 with a woman who's gonna who's basically being sort of like sex trafficked to her husband like

00:32:39.160 the whole thing is just like if we just like see this all it's like a snow globe of just everyone

00:32:46.080 is terrible and sort of using each other horribly, but they're all stuck in a snow globe

00:32:54.200 and you have to make do. They're all kind of doing the best they can, except for George

00:33:00.200 Villiers, who's just a gross old monster. So Henrietta Maria and Lucy, like they have this 0.67

00:33:06.900 on again, off again friendship. At one point, Henrietta Maria presented a petition to her

00:33:12.440 husband to get rid of Lucy, which is like very Tracy Flick of her. But Charles also did not

00:33:20.020 take Lucy on as a lover, as far as we know. And eventually Henrietta Maria was like, okay,

00:33:27.160 she stopped being quite so wildly jealous. And she came to become fond of Lucy. And so, you know,

00:33:33.960 this sort of was only good things for Lucy because being the best friend of the queen

00:33:37.480 meant that she got to continue to be just like the gorgeous most popular woman at court um

00:33:43.600 inspiring yet more poets and musicians to write odes to her and to adore her so we're gonna get

00:33:50.080 to the spy stuff real soon but just bear in mind that like this is just lucy hay living her life

00:33:57.100 like she's just like so smart and so capable and so interesting and she's not really given any

00:34:03.180 outlet to use her talents except just like courtly intrigue and she's being like the best

00:34:07.760 at courtly intrigue like she's becoming best friends with the queen she's sleeping with

00:34:14.140 George Villiers she is with George Villiers and she's making a good deal out of it even if that

00:34:21.700 wasn't what she wanted to be doing she's married to James Hay like she's doing well but there's

00:34:27.880 not a lot of opportunities for her to really show what she's made of basically because we've gotten

00:34:36.340 past the gunpowder plot scenario but if you know your british history you know that we are inching

00:34:43.000 ever closer to the whole oliver cromwell overthrowing the monarchy scenario but we need

00:34:50.240 to take just a brief detour right now into the land of the three musketeers literally the book

00:34:56.240 The Three Musketeers. So thanks super much, by the way, to my friend Annika for helping to

00:35:02.220 explain this plot point to me, because basically what happens is there's a character in The Three

00:35:07.560 Musketeers books called Milady de Winter, who is this amazing lady spy. And part of her story was

00:35:16.460 inspired. Alexandre Dumas, the author of The Three Musketeers, found some documents that are

00:35:23.460 explaining some stuff about Lucy Hay. And so he took little pieces of that to make this badass

00:35:28.260 character, Milady de Winter. And the main thing that he borrowed from Lucy's legend is a story

00:35:35.240 that, because there's already a thing called The Affair of the Diamond Necklace, we can't call it

00:35:39.980 that. That's a past episode of this podcast. You can learn about that. That's the whole Jean de

00:35:45.380 Lamont situation. Lucy and George Villiers are lovers, but George Villiers is not monogamous

00:35:54.360 in his being lovers with her. He's also married to someone else. He's just like overall scum of

00:36:00.860 the earth, dirtbag guy. And he also had a huge crush on the French queen who is named Anne of 1.00

00:36:06.460 Austria. And so Anne of Austria was into it. And so she gave George, this is where it gets a little

00:36:14.000 confusing. A diamond necklace, I think. So the French king gave Anne of Austria this diamond

00:36:20.540 necklace that was comprised of 12 jewels. And so in some translations, it calls it 12 studs.

00:36:27.420 So some people think that they're talking about earrings, but I think they're talking about

00:36:31.100 individual jewels on a necklace tied together with a ribbon, because that is how jewelry was

00:36:36.100 put together back then, apparently. So Anne of Austria, like George Villiers, she thought he was

00:36:42.500 so good looking and he was objectively speaking even though inside he was just like a gross

00:36:48.220 monster of a person and so she gave him the diamond necklace her husband had given her

00:36:53.980 but I think that wasn't just like here's a necklace George you can wear it I think it was

00:36:57.620 like here's some diamonds you can like whatever with them I don't know get money for them or

00:37:02.740 something anyway so this part is unclear to me as to what is true and what is just part of the

00:37:09.940 Three Musketeers story. So I'm going to exclude the whole Cardinal Richelieu of it all, because

00:37:14.720 I don't 100% understand what his dealings were in the actual real life story. But in the actual

00:37:20.160 real life story, what happened is that allegedly Lucy was tasked with getting the diamonds back

00:37:27.300 from George to return them to the queen so that the king wouldn't find out that the queen had

00:37:33.280 given them to George. You might need to diagram that out for yourself or something. So basically

00:37:39.360 Lucy, who is just like this kind of bored woman with like these amazing spy skills and nothing to 1.00

00:37:46.080 do with them. She's like, takes on this job to steal these diamonds back from George. So it 1.00

00:37:51.780 becomes this whole sort of like jewel thief scenario where Lucy needs to steal the diamonds

00:37:56.440 back from George without him noticing and get them back to Anne of Austria so that her husband

00:38:01.320 doesn't know that she's given them to George. It's all sort of like she needs to steal the 0.98

00:38:06.640 diamonds from one place bring them back to another place and who knows if it happened or not because

00:38:12.520 this is the other thing about researching a woman in history there's not always a lot written about

00:38:17.820 them but when you're researching a woman who's also a spy who's really good at being a spy a lot

00:38:22.680 of what she did is actually not written down she allegedly was able to return the diamonds

00:38:29.300 back to the queen. And this was all, a similar thing is a major plot point in the novel,

00:38:38.100 The Three Musketeers, which was written like 200 years later. So Lucy's clearly keeping herself

00:38:43.740 busy, what with her lover, potentially other lovers. I want that for her, but who knows.

00:38:49.900 And then she becomes a widow in 1636. So she is aged basically 36 years old and she is super rich

00:39:00.760 because her husband had been super rich. And now she doesn't have, I mean, not that he was really

00:39:05.580 company style that much, but now not just men looking to be her lover, but people who wanted

00:39:11.280 to maybe marry her were sort of rolling in. And this is where things are, um, like if we're doing

00:39:16.780 a countdown to the whole overthrow of the British monarchy. Like it's just getting closer and

00:39:22.000 closer. Like all the little chess pieces are all coming in into the right places. So one of the men

00:39:28.160 who became one of her lovers, allegedly, was a guy named Thomas Wentworth, who was part of the

00:39:34.820 House of Parliament. And so everything was already pretty us or them vis-a-vis Parliament at this

00:39:42.700 point. Effectively, and this is not a part of history I've studied very much at all, but from

00:39:49.540 what I understand, the royal family to this point in England had been very absolute monarchy. Like

00:39:59.040 they got to decide everything and the parliament just kind of like stamped and was like, sure,

00:40:03.120 that's great. But the parliament wanted more and more powers and the king wanted to not give them

00:40:08.540 the powers. And so there were these two factions. So the people who supported the parliament and

00:40:12.360 the people who supported the royal family. And so at this point, Thomas Wentworth, Lucy's latest

00:40:20.280 lover, he had been pro-parliament and then he switched to pro-royals. And that's the other thing

00:40:25.420 that makes this studying this situation confusing is people flip-flopped around quite a bit. But

00:40:32.360 basically being pro-royal family became an increasingly unpopular way to be. And eventually

00:40:38.320 Thomas was arrested and sentenced to death. Lucy kind of saw which way the wind was blowing. And so

00:40:45.620 she just sort of delicately removed herself from the situation. Because if you remember what

00:40:50.080 happened to her father, RIP, the wizard Earl, he died a bit ago, just living his life. Not gross

00:40:58.420 in the same way as George failures, but also just like not a great guy. Anyway, Lucy had seen how

00:41:04.640 her father was sent to jail for 16 years just for being friends with somebody who did something

00:41:09.460 possibly treasonous. So she wasn't going to let Thomas bring her down. So she sort of just like

00:41:16.020 backtracked out of Thomas Wentworth's life is kind of like Thomas Wentworth, what? I don't,

00:41:20.600 I don't know that man, et cetera. And then she took as her new lover, allegedly, I mean, her new,

00:41:26.880 her new companion alleged lover is basically thomas's arch enemy who was a guy named john

00:41:34.500 pym who was on the pro parliament side of things and so at this point like you're just like she

00:41:43.380 can't stop herself and it's kind of amazing so her career as a secret double agent slash spy kicks

00:41:49.840 into high gear she was sharing information from the king to pym and the other parliamentarians

00:41:55.640 at one point crucially she told the them that the king was onto them and he's going to arrest them

00:42:02.480 and her warning them meant that they had time to escape so that was sort of keep that in mind

00:42:08.080 later when we're talking about her significance so her advance warning allowed them to escape

00:42:11.740 the english civil war broke out in 1642 and the parliamentarians were against the royal family

00:42:18.160 And this was like literally a war in England. So Lucy at this point was very much caught in the

00:42:26.000 middle of this whole situation because of her relationship with Pim and because of how she

00:42:30.300 just helped him out. Like she, it seems like she was more on the parliamentary side than the royal

00:42:35.700 side, but she kind of held her cards close to her chest. Like even, even to this day, it's unclear,

00:42:44.740 like literally to historians studying her now like which side her allegiance was truly on and i kind

00:42:50.040 of think she was just team chaos she just liked going back and forth and maybe didn't really have

00:42:55.760 an allegiance either way but basically as the war progressed the pro-parliament side which she had

00:43:03.740 been seemingly a member of for a while like basically both sides thought she was on their

00:43:10.480 side pretending to be on the other side, but she was kind of on both sides, kind of on neither

00:43:14.900 sides. And I mean, she's doing stuff like she was writing letters. She was like housing people for

00:43:21.120 secret meetings. She was like writing letters code. She was using like invisible ink. Like she 0.99

00:43:25.860 was, she was doing amazing stuff and she was like fully involved in the whole thing. And so part of

00:43:32.280 why she was able to do as much as she was able to do, all the men were suspicious of all the other

00:43:36.860 men and no one was really suspicious of the women and lucy was known for being clever and beautiful

00:43:42.840 etc but she was also sort of seen as this sort of like vain sort of um self-absorbed selfish person 0.81

00:43:51.440 you know this woman who wore the mask for so long when she had the smallpox scars that no one really

00:43:55.900 took her seriously which she used to her advantage like all good ladies buys oliver cromwell is this

00:44:04.300 guy who like king charles the first was taken his head was chopped off oliver crummel became the new

00:44:10.360 sort of head of england but not the king and his faction was just becoming more and more sort of

00:44:16.360 like fanatically puritan and that was just not lucy's style at all and so she seems to have like

00:44:21.560 fully decided at this point to become a spy for the team royals and i totally forgot to mention

00:44:28.100 Well before this was all happening, just FYI, like this is even before Lucy was widowed.

00:44:36.140 George Villiers was, in fact, murdered by a disgruntled army officer.

00:44:42.640 So if you're just wondering why he isn't in the story anymore, he basically was killed for being a horrible person.

00:44:50.200 FYI.

00:44:51.200 So English Civil War is happening.

00:44:52.520 lucy is doing stuff like she's raising funds for the royal family by selling jewelry but she also

00:44:59.520 took on a role as sort of a messenger between her her frenemy queen henrietta maria in exile

00:45:06.040 and the royalists who supported their side so with the king being dead at this point oh and side note

00:45:12.840 the children of charles the first were being raised by lucy's sister uh dorothy for a while

00:45:21.440 because she was like a trusted person so dorothy is still like i mentioned before they were so close

00:45:27.080 to each other and they were and there's not a lot of space in this podcast to get into that whole

00:45:30.220 situation there's another book i'll recommend to you that talks about that a bit more but basically

00:45:34.700 lucy every time something tragic happened to her in her life she had a she gave birth to a child

00:45:40.000 who died she fell ill a number of times she always went back to be with her sister dorothy like she

00:45:46.280 and dorothy were like super tight super close and dorothy was sort of like keeping the home fires

00:45:50.500 burning while Lucy was just running around being an amazing lady spy. Anyway, so about two months

00:45:55.960 after Oliver Cormel became the head of the New England, Lucy was arrested for her work,

00:46:04.400 working for the royal family, and she was imprisoned in, guess where, Tower of London,

00:46:08.900 the same place where she had been held by her father when she was 18 years old. But now it

00:46:13.860 wasn't, things were different now. She didn't have like a luxury apartment situation, not like when

00:46:19.340 she was being mentored by tits out francis howard she was just sort of there it was depressing it 0.93

00:46:24.280 sucked and she had had these health problems for a while quote-unquote hypochondria which could be 0.99

00:46:31.980 so many various different health problems that can occur to a woman and being held in a shitty 0.99

00:46:39.060 jail cell in this kind of stressful situation where you might be killed at any point didn't 0.92

00:46:45.460 really help with her health problems. So even in there, even though she was having these health

00:46:50.380 problems, she still toughed it out. She was interrogated, but she never gave up any information

00:46:56.280 because she was tough as nails. She wrote secret letters in code back and forth with the new,

00:47:03.140 with Prince Charles, who was the kind of the figurehead for the royalist cause because King

00:47:08.180 Charles I had been executed. His son, Prince Charles was in exile. And so Lucy was communicating

00:47:13.980 with him. She used her brother as an intermediary and some of the other guards as well, because

00:47:18.620 she was able to charm them. Even the jailers were, who were like, oh, we're totally Puritans. And

00:47:24.060 Lucy was like, I'm also totally a Puritan. And they're like, we totally believe you. And she's 0.86

00:47:28.260 like, can you take this blank piece of paper to this other person? And in return, bring me back

00:47:32.760 a blank piece of paper. And they did. And, but it was invisible ink. And you just like, like in

00:47:37.100 Knives Out, you just put like flame behind it and you can read, read the letters. Is that a spoiler

00:47:42.260 her from Knives Out, sorry. She was in jail for 18 shitty months, but she kept scheming even while 1.00

00:47:48.620 she was in there. And she was released from prison basically on parole at the end of this. She was 0.88

00:47:53.960 actually released to go and stay with her sister Dorothy. The country was still under the control

00:47:58.860 of the parliamentarians, but Lucy was at this point just seemingly, seemingly, I think, I don't

00:48:05.180 know if she was a spy, but she seemed to be supporting the restoration of the monarchy.

00:48:10.160 and so she became an like even though she just got out of the tower of london where she'd been

00:48:14.580 for 18 months and she was having like even worse symptoms she wasn't able to do so much you know

00:48:21.020 like in the field running around lady spy work but she did a lot of work behind the scenes

00:48:26.320 um helping arrange things for people writing letters etc and she was instrumental in helping

00:48:32.000 to eventually restore Prince Charles to the throne where he became King Charles II. So

00:48:38.980 on May 1660 was when the restoration of the monarchy officially happened. And then six

00:48:45.760 months later, Lucy passed away, aged about 60 years old. To learn more about this whole

00:48:54.800 situation, which there's so much I didn't have time to get into here because this is

00:48:59.320 just one little, little podcast, but just trust me, there's lots to know. So there is a book that

00:49:04.020 is called Court Lady and Country Wife by Lita Rose Betterman, which is where I learned a bunch

00:49:11.300 about Lucy and also her sister, Dorothy. And then the book about lady spies is called Invisible

00:49:18.820 Agents, Women and Espionage in 17th Century Britain by Nadine Ackerman. So it's literally

00:49:24.560 about women spies in 17th century Britain. And it talks about Lucy Hay quite a bit, obviously.

00:49:30.940 And it's time to get into the scoring of it all. So Lucy Hay, Scandaliciousness.

00:49:40.300 This is interesting. We've got the 18 years old going to get married. Her father keeps her in

00:49:48.400 jail, mentored by tits-out Frances Howard, gets married, takes a lover, or is taken as

00:49:55.740 a lover, or somehow is able to co-use George Villiers and not be destroyed by him, but actually

00:50:04.220 to use it to her advantage to spy on the queen, then takes the two parliamentary lovers. Her

00:50:11.460 scandaliciousness is pretty high. I have to say, I'm going to give her, I think a seven 0.92

00:50:18.520 for scandaliciousness, for scheminess, flat out 10. I mean, she hatched even more schemes than 1.00

00:50:27.460 we'll ever know about because she was so good at them. She was a spy and we'll never find out what 0.98

00:50:32.400 she did because she was so good at it. I mean, like all of her schemes, like at first it was

00:50:36.360 just sort of like high schoolish stuff just like scheming about like who will be her lover or like

00:50:42.080 spying on the queen and stuff and just like wearing the best outfits etc i want to mention also i in 0.54

00:50:48.320 part of my research i found out that during in around 1620 there was a fashion craze of women

00:50:53.200 dressing sort of masculine to the point where some women even like chopped off their hair

00:50:58.300 in sort of like a 1920s moment like a bob moment like they were wearing like leather like to the 0.58

00:51:05.720 elbow sort of like workman's gloves with her dresses and Lucy Hay was all over it. Anyway,

00:51:11.940 she was amazing. Style is not one of the things, but anyway, her scheminess was unsurpassed. I think 1.00

00:51:17.240 she had countless numbers of schemes and it seems like they were all amazing. Significance.

00:51:23.940 Like all good spies, we don't know exactly how many things she did. We do know that she passed

00:51:30.480 along that message to Pym that made it so that he, so the parliamentarians weren't arrested by

00:51:35.960 the king, which ultimately isn't what she wanted because she seemed to switch sides to the royalists.

00:51:41.880 But if she hadn't passed along that message, the royalists could have been stopped. And then the

00:51:46.320 whole Oliver Cromwell situation might not have happened, which was like a pretty substantially

00:51:52.020 important thing that happened in English history. At the same time, she wasn't like the queen of a

00:51:57.880 country who like took over another country or something, but the significance, I think we don't

00:52:03.880 know exactly what she did, but the behind the scenes significance feels pretty high to me.

00:52:09.220 I'm going to give her a six for significance. And then the last category is the sexism quote

00:52:16.220 unquote bonus, or how much did being a woman hold her back? And this is like similar to some of the

00:52:23.680 other woman we've looked at, I feel like she saw that she's living in this misogynistic,

00:52:29.800 patriarchal culture. And she was like, okay, this is what's going on. And I am going to find a way

00:52:37.620 to like lean into this and twist it around and use it to my advantage. Like she was sort of like 0.61

00:52:42.420 a Scarlet Pimpernel situation where if she just like played up the fact that she was a sort of 0.96

00:52:47.260 like vapid, silly person, nobody would suspect she was secretly this amazing spy. So it's almost 0.82

00:52:52.420 like she used sexism to her advantage i don't know if it was a detriment to her except for the

00:52:58.980 whole father putting her in jail thing when the whole george villiers potentially forcing her

00:53:06.020 to be his mistress i am going to give her a five for the sexism bonus so the total then this looks

00:53:15.560 pretty good for her um let me see 17 28 is her score which actually is the second highest score

00:53:24.140 of the whole season elizabeth bathory got 29 lucy hay 28 uh jean de lamotte 27 francis howard 26

00:53:33.120 and then carolina brunswick and mary toft both tied at a 20 these have been some scandalous

00:53:39.560 of stories we've been looking at this season. So I want to let you know that this is the sixth and

00:53:47.760 final episode of season one of Vulgar History, but don't be sad because season one, like season one, 0.72

00:53:55.160 the theme was Will Behave Women Don't Make History Podcasts. There is going to be season two,

00:54:00.560 numerous more seasons after that, each with their own fun theme, but we're going to take a little

00:54:05.320 break now for the holidays, but I do have some announcements to give you, including the fact

00:54:13.180 that, um, if you join the Patreon, I'm going to be doing, I think between now and the next now

00:54:18.620 in season two, I'm going to be posting some mini episodes. And so they're going to be called,

00:54:23.180 I think they're going to be called. So this asshole, and they're going to be sort of like 1.00

00:54:28.200 five, 10 minutes, just looking at some of the assholes from some of the stories that we've 1.00

00:54:33.400 been looking at this season for instance from this one it'll be like a little look at george 0.90

00:54:37.800 villiers monster human maybe also looking at the wizard earl what was his deal if we're looking 0.98

00:54:44.720 back at some other episodes nathaniel saint andre thirsty bitch who lived for drama basically 0.59

00:54:49.780 there's gonna be short episodes because i'm not i'm not a men's historian there's lots of people 0.96

00:54:54.260 who do that i'm a women's historian but some of these assholes like just explaining kind of what 0.75

00:55:00.040 their deal was, I think sort of helps fill out the story of these women and what they were up 0.86

00:55:05.320 against, but the women, they get the full hour episodes. So this asshole, five, 10 minutes, 0.98

00:55:11.000 many episodes. And so you can find my Patreon, which is at patreon.com slash and foster writer. 0.99

00:55:18.540 There's other places where you can find us. So vulgar history is on Instagram.

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00:55:27.940 this podcast is now on i think most of the podcast apps so it would be awesome if you

00:55:33.860 could subscribe and rate and review as people say on other podcasts and i'm going to be working on

00:55:41.260 the mini episodes i'm going to be finalizing plans for season two coming up pretty soon so

00:55:47.340 if you follow me on social media or on the patreon you can get updates on that sort of stuff

00:55:50.860 i also do lots of writing you can find my writing at ann foster writer.com and then i've also made

00:55:57.080 It's merch. I made a different product for each episode this season. The one for the Lucy Hay

00:56:04.660 episode is just a picture of her. And then just sort of covering her eyes, it says,

00:56:10.540 Lady Spy, because she was just an amazing lady spy. And I love the fact that we'll never truly

00:56:16.840 know everything about her because she was a good lady spy. This is Vulgar History. And my name is

00:56:23.600 Anne Foster. And I'll see you for season two. That is the saga of Lucy Percy. And I'm gonna

00:56:38.160 let you know, because I promised I would tell you some super secret sexy hints about what the next

00:56:44.900 season is going to be. I can't say exactly when it's going to start. Like I'm, I've been on a

00:56:50.080 little hiatus and then i'm getting back into it there's going to be i told you it's going to be

00:56:53.760 at least 20 episodes i've told you before it's gonna it takes place in the 18th century all

00:56:58.880 kinds of different countries all different parts of the world and how they interact with each other

00:57:03.120 because that was a time in world history where people are traveling more between different places

00:57:07.680 so there's a lot of countries to talk about and i'm excited there will be spies in this season

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00:57:30.140 So that when I do this season, I can just straight through to like 20 episodes or 25

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00:58:47.260 of like, cause maybe a lot of information from, you know, books or whatever. It's not just stuff

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00:59:50.620 theater um where i talk about costume dramas with allison epstein and lana with johnson we will be

00:59:55.060 talking about mary and george the thing about george villiers and gay king james because i'm

01:00:02.720 excited that's there and i'm going to be looking at every crowd scene to be like is francis howard

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01:00:11.640 about shitty men, for instance, George Villiers, and also King James. And then also sometimes I 0.98

01:00:16.200 have the after show, which is where I'm talking to somebody and there's kind of off topic stuff

01:00:20.000 I want to get into. Anyway, that's all on Patreon as well. There's some episodes coming up this next

01:00:24.180 block, like new episodes start next week, y'all. And I'm going to have some guests and some of the

01:00:30.160 guests I'm going to be keeping after hours. I should call it vulgar history after dark instead

01:00:34.920 of the after show I call it the after show in memory of the hills after show millennials know

01:00:40.220 what I'm talking about anyway there's some people who are excited to talk about non-podcast stuff

01:00:45.180 and that's another strategy I have for this year for the new upcoming episodes which is to try and

01:00:50.000 focus the podcast on podcasty stuff and if I want to just like kiki with a guest put that into the

01:00:55.280 after show so that people can know what you're going to be getting when you listen to whatever

01:00:59.420 you're listening to anyway yeah next week new content coming out new exciting people to talk

01:01:07.880 to sometimes it's going to be me doing talking and i'm excited for you to hear all the stuff

01:01:11.980 that i've planned coming up the next couple months and behind the scenes i'm working on

01:01:16.500 the super secret really exciting next season it's not like international part two it's like

01:01:23.820 a combination of international in terms of just looking at different countries in different

01:01:28.260 places, which is part of why the research, I really want to, I need the time to do it properly

01:01:32.740 because I'm learning about the history of like all these countries I've never researched before

01:01:36.040 or been to or know about. I might be putting call outs on, in the discord group or on my

01:01:41.280 Instagram stories, just being like, is anyone from this country? Like, can you help me with

01:01:44.660 pronunciation or whatever? Um, anyway, so stay vigilant. So it's gonna be a combination of the

01:01:50.640 international stuff, but with a really focused thesis, like we're doing this stuff. I keep

01:01:54.640 saying like the 18th century, but that's kind of where we are. But it's all centered around one 0.67

01:01:59.560 person and kind of the effect of that person in all these different places. So in that way,

01:02:04.520 it's kind of a combination of international with like the Mary Queen of Scots season or the Lady

01:02:08.960 Jane Grey season. And I think it's going to work really well. And I'm really excited about it,

01:02:13.960 but it's just going to take a lot of work. But anyway, thank you for listening. And oh,

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Women Behaving Badly, part 6： The Super Secret Spy (Rerelease)

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