Vulgar History - Women Trapped In Towers, part 1： The She-Wolf of France

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to vulgar history of feminist women's history comedy podcast my name is ann

00:00:21.400 foster and this is season four and it's been a minute but here we are all together again to

00:00:28.740 talk about some scandalous women from history and so I just want to just bring up one thing

00:00:36.700 because I got I got a comment I don't get many comments you're all very um keep your thoughts

00:00:42.300 to yourselves and I respect that but I did get one anonymous comment from someone who said that

00:00:46.800 I talk too quickly and to that person I would just like to share that you know in most podcast

00:00:54.040 apps there's a way where you can slow down how someone is talking so that's a great option for

00:01:01.460 you and otherwise if you think i talk too quickly then don't listen to my podcast because this is

00:01:06.880 how my voice works um so welcome welcome everybody i like to have a theme a theme per season and this 0.95

00:01:16.880 season's theme is women trapped in towers and the assholes who put them there that's how i'm 0.98

00:01:25.080 gonna say it women trapped in towers and the assholes who put them there so by towers i'm 0.99

00:01:31.800 talking about prisons jails we've talked in other episodes about how oldie time rich women didn't go 0.98

00:01:38.960 into like prison so much as it was just like being an unwelcome house guest for like 32 years or

00:01:45.260 whatever mary queen of scots my queen so we're going as per usual in one of these seasons we're

00:01:53.020 going to go kind of um chronological which i find helpful to me just to try and keep track of who is

00:02:01.620 who especially because there's a lot of people this season named edward and so this way we can

00:02:07.520 be like oh remember the guy from two episodes ago his grandson you know so we can just like see

00:02:11.440 everything all in order and let's just get into it um today we are talking about margaret margaret

00:02:23.100 of anjou my sources are wikipedia which i just need to say is where i start with everything

00:02:32.140 because that's where i'm just like what's the birth date what's the death date what are the

00:02:37.000 like subject headings like is there a wikipedia like which is not to say if someone doesn't have

00:02:41.420 a wikipedia page i'm not going to research them but it's just like if they do i'm just like oh

00:02:45.120 thank god because that points you towards other sources you can get sort of a broad picture of

00:02:49.120 them i know some people do they still would hate on wikipedia because it's like anyone can write

00:02:54.660 anything like don't use it for your like class projects or whatever but anyway i'm not ashamed

00:02:59.820 to say i use wikipedia and i also um give them a monthly donation because they're very helpful

00:03:06.040 they could use a lot more women um being written about in wikipedia and that's an issue for another

00:03:14.200 day so i also looked at an article from history extra and if you don't know bbc history extra is

00:03:21.720 a magazine and it's also a podcast and i they write really they get great historians to write

00:03:29.800 about like the articles that i often read in their magazine are concise and is often sort of

00:03:35.860 from someone who wrote a book about this but this is i'm kind of giving the major points of it so

00:03:39.480 this is an article by hmm does it not say who it's by i want to give somebody a shout out sarah

00:03:48.920 gristwood yeah so she's the author of the book blood sisters the women behind the war of the

00:03:54.140 roses and this article is called the power behind the throne women in the wars of the roses and i

00:04:02.020 also used her book so uh there's a podcast called in our time colon history and they did an episode

00:04:09.120 about margaret of anjou i also looked at an essay from rebecca star brown.com she's another historian

00:04:16.280 whose stuff is very readable fun to read there's a book called the shadow king by lauren johnson

00:04:22.300 which is great it's about henry the sixth who is the husband of margaret of anjou and actually is

00:04:29.640 an interview with her that I heard that made me interested in reading more about Margaret of Anjou

00:04:36.040 and then also the book She Wolves by Sarah Castor so Margaret of Anjou was born on March 23rd 1430

00:04:47.340 now I need to let you know that this episode there's a lot of French names people names place

00:04:55.480 names there's going to be at least one other episode like that this season and I uncontrollably

00:05:01.160 like to say those with a French accent so again if that bothers you then there are other podcasts

00:05:06.680 for you to listen to but that's going to happen here and we just all need to be okay with that

00:05:10.840 Margaret was born on March 23rd 1430 at Pont-à-Mousson in Lorraine so this is before France

00:05:19.200 was one place it was like all these little kingdoms that we now consider France that are

00:05:23.900 basically kind of where france is now but they're all their own little things so lorraine was one

00:05:27.960 of these places it was in fact a fief of the holy roman empire east of france ruled by a cadet branch

00:05:35.260 of french kings the house of valois anjou and she's margaret of anjou remember margaret was the

00:05:43.580 second daughter of good king renee which is a name i haven't done tons of french history reading but

00:05:50.980 renee is a name that feels not like someone who would live in 1430 so that makes me like him even

00:05:56.220 better here's my cat making an appearance for season first appearance of season so her father

00:06:01.120 is called renee aka good king renee literally he was called that who was the duke of anjou and king

00:06:07.500 of naples sicily and jerusalem and if you're like wait that's a weird assortment of things to be

00:06:12.780 king of like naples sicily and jerusalem are not necessarily super close to each other and also if

00:06:19.340 you're like that's a familiar congregation of places it is because guess what good king renee

00:06:25.780 is a great grandson of joanna of naples from season whatever i did that before and her mother

00:06:32.540 was isabella the duchess of lorraine and through them margaret of anjou could trace her lineage

00:06:39.620 back to powerful women like empress matilda who we talked about on the podcast before and eleanor

00:06:44.920 of aquitaine a woman who i will talk about on the podcast i'm sure but honestly her story is very

00:06:50.260 confusing to me and i need a lot of time to figure it out so her mother isabella of lorraine fought

00:06:57.720 wars on behalf of her husband good king renee so good king renee was imprisoned and while he was

00:07:04.540 imprisoned isabella ruled the duchy of lorraine by her own right and then also margaret of anjou's

00:07:12.300 grandmother good king renee's mom was yolanda of aragon who ruled the duchy of anjou as regent

00:07:18.060 for her son while margaret was a child repelling english military presence and supported the

00:07:22.540 disinherited donfin again i don't know a lot about french history and we're really talking

00:07:26.940 about margaret who becomes a person in spoiler english history but basically what we're looking

00:07:31.580 at here is her mother and her grandmother both ruled lorraine or lorraine and or anjou on their

00:07:38.220 their own right so she would have seen them growing up role models for her as we will see

00:07:43.880 she did not hesitate to take power when when she thought it was an option margaret of anjou had

00:07:52.180 five brothers and four sisters as well as three half-siblings from good king renee's relationships

00:08:00.700 with mistresses when good king oh again um let's see oh sorry this is just going back over that

00:08:07.440 So when Good King Rene was taken captive by enemies, Isabella fought for his return while she was ruling.

00:08:14.100 And at that point, Margaret was raised by her grandmother, Yolanda, who had previously ruled as well.

00:08:20.480 So she like was direct contact with these cool women.

00:08:23.520 When Margaret was 12, Good King Rene was returned. 1.00

00:08:27.280 And so she would have seen in this like early childhood era, both how decisive and powerful women can be in positions of power,

00:08:36.560 but also how precarious that power can be for men like her father, who was, quote, title rich, 0.99

00:08:42.140 but power poor. So Good King René was the king of these places and also the Duke of Anjou, but

00:08:49.560 he didn't have a lot of political power. He just kind of had titles. So her mother Isabella took

00:08:57.920 care of Margaret's education and may have arranged for her to have lessons with the scholar Antoine

00:09:04.120 de la salle who taught her brothers so margaret was getting like a good education for a girl i'm

00:09:11.140 gonna guess not every girl was getting education to this level but isabella was into that

00:09:15.360 in childhood margaret was known as la petite creature the little creature which i guess is

00:09:24.460 like a positive thing to say in french as a child she was interested in hunting as well

00:09:31.140 margaret was described as beautiful and furthermore quote already a woman passionate and

00:09:37.420 proud and strong-willed so like quite a force of personality as a young person so when she was 14

00:09:44.660 in 1444 she was betrothed to henry vi of england who was at the time 21 and i think as we've seen

00:09:52.260 in numerous episodes of this podcast that's one of the better age gaps you can find the whole

00:09:58.120 marriage was part of a broader attempt at peace between England and France so Henry VI um if

00:10:07.560 you've watched which I've talked about on the podcast before I'm just remembering there is a

00:10:13.920 multi-part British miniseries called the hollow crown that does all of the Shakespeare plays with

00:10:19.060 kings in the titles one of those plays is Henry VI and he is played by Tom Sturridge

00:10:26.420 and it really made me feel for henry the sixth and get what he's all about i think i'm gonna

00:10:32.180 yeah i'm gonna explain what henry is like but basically his grandfather was henry the fourth

00:10:37.700 who was like a great king and his father was henry the fifth who was like the great king or whatever

00:10:43.460 and he became king as a baby and was not he was a pacifist and not uh super decisive as a person

00:10:51.400 so this marriage was part of a broader attempt at peace between england and france two countries

00:10:58.280 at war so often so henry himself couldn't be married to one of the french princesses

00:11:04.760 because technically he considered himself the king of france and that would be awkward because

00:11:10.500 if he married a princess that would be like him saying that there is a french king who is not me

00:11:16.000 so he anyway just got awkward so he couldn't do that so his team was trying to find a young woman

00:11:21.520 who wasn't a princess but who was french and also was royal and around the right age to start having

00:11:28.080 children which meant margaret of anjou so some of her other family relationships she was like very

00:11:35.820 it's that complex family tree of like everyone's related to everyone some of her other family

00:11:41.640 relationships included her aunt marie was the wife of the french king is how i wrote that

00:11:48.980 but i guess not the queen because technically henry was the anyway her aunt was married to

00:11:56.040 the french king her cool grandmother yolanda had supported the french king during some of

00:12:00.240 these like dark times of war with england and although good king renee wasn't wealthy or

00:12:05.220 powerful he was well liked so for all these reasons she aged 14 was officially married to

00:12:11.580 henry by proxy so the sort of marriage where like a woman would have or probably a man in england

00:12:17.780 like stood in for her there and they had a ceremony and then she would have married a man standing for

00:12:21.480 henry in france and they like hadn't met each other so they were married by proxy and then she

00:12:27.080 stayed home with her mother isabella so she's technically queen of england slash france but

00:12:33.280 uh was just just living with her mom for several more months while more paperwork was settled for

00:12:38.520 her to actually uh move over she was finally sent over to england but was too seasick to take part 1.00

00:12:46.200 in the celebrations for her arrival seasick and i put in brackets or whatever sick like she just

00:12:51.640 was not doing well understandable um the predicted turnout for her arrival and procession was so

00:12:58.920 large that an inspection of roofs and balconies was ordered due to the expectation the spectators

00:13:03.740 would climb onto the roofs and balconies to try and watch her progress but she was sick so there

00:13:09.180 wasn't anything to see so their in-person marriage was held april 23rd 1445 and at which point she's

00:13:16.700 crowned queen of england oh sorry they were married on april 23rd and then she was crowned queen of

00:13:21.340 england on may 30th by the archbishop of canterbury literally a teen queen so note

00:13:30.020 henry who is more interested in religion and learning than in military matters was not a

00:13:36.840 successful king i do not mean to say he's not a successful person or human being but like to be

00:13:42.040 king of england in 1445 this was not the disposition personality or interests that

00:13:47.700 would have been most successful he had reigned since he was only a few months old like his

00:13:52.400 father died very young when he was very young and his actions his whole life had been controlled by

00:13:57.260 protectors um men who were effectively his region even though he was now an adult he was a pacifist

00:14:05.580 leading a country during a precarious wartime period micromanaged by ambitious men who didn't

00:14:11.400 want him to have any more power and it was just not a good scene for him or for margaret to enter

00:14:18.060 into so shortly after the coronation her dad good king renee entered negotiations with i guess the

00:14:25.920 protectors attempting to barter a lifetime's alliance and a 20-year truce between england

00:14:31.020 and france in exchange oh my god it's complicated um what he wanted was for henry to abandon his

00:14:39.280 claim to Anjou uh that didn't happen and actually there was the loss of Maine which was a place in

00:14:49.620 France basically just some paperwork stuff happened Margaret at this point uh she corresponded

00:14:56.440 with the French king regarding the agreement attempting to act as a mediator which was not

00:15:01.000 successful but she was 14 years old and there was a lot of people doing a lot of stuff she probably

00:15:05.500 didn't have that much sway so because of this whole thing the loss of maine okay so maine had

00:15:14.320 been controlled by the english but then it went back to the french question mark anyway the loss

00:15:20.540 of maine was regarded by the english public as a betrayal and it was very unpopular and they were

00:15:26.620 which made them even more likely to mistrust margaret due to her french origins because

00:15:31.180 if you've been at war and then like someone comes from the other country to be like i'm 14 and i'm

00:15:35.140 the queen like i don't know that's why they were suspicious the reputation of margaret's marriage

00:15:42.500 suffered as a result although she herself was not openly blamed for the loss of maine which again

00:15:48.100 was a place in france did you know that i did not but as long as she did her job and birthed an heir

00:15:54.640 soon it would be cool and probably people would get over it but guess what that did not happen

00:15:59.900 in the early years of their marriage margaret and henry spent significant proportions of their

00:16:06.780 time together by choice what they enjoyed each other's company how unusual they shared an

00:16:14.920 interest in education and culture and in 1448 so age 18 she was granted license to found queen's

00:16:23.280 college in cambridge um there's little evidence in those early years that she was doing any public

00:16:29.620 political efforts other than that initially trying to be the mediator for that thing um

00:16:35.220 let's see so most of her surviving letters from this early-ish period

00:16:40.600 they pertain to stuff that would have been expected for a queen to do mediation intervention

00:16:46.520 matters on which she had been asked to act such as the arranging of marriages um these were

00:16:53.000 expected and important parts of the role of a noblewoman or queen um but so of these things

00:17:00.880 she did that was apparently cool for her to do some of them were successful others were regarded

00:17:06.060 as bad bad ideas for instance in one occasion she recommended a man named alexander manning

00:17:14.080 to the role of jailer at newgate um so she like gave him a reference uh shortly after he got the

00:17:20.260 job of jailer he turned the prisoners loose in an active protest at his rumored neglect

00:17:25.660 rumored dismissal for negligence and then he was jailed himself wait so he she recommended him for

00:17:31.240 the job um he was not good at it he heard that maybe he's gonna be fired so then he just like

00:17:37.220 let the prisoners out so oops but the thing is years were passing and rumors swirled about why

00:17:46.440 these two young people were not having babies yet like the whole point of her being there was to

00:17:51.820 have heirs to that was the point so here's the thing henry was known to be extremely pious like

00:18:00.760 to the point even after marriage he potentially didn't want to have sex because that is how pious

00:18:06.260 he was he's kind of a monk type person um or potentially like in bridgerton maybe they didn't

00:18:15.540 know how sex works and how to conceive a child and if neither of them knew then like what are

00:18:23.000 you gonna do there are also rumors that henry's evil advisors were always around ensuring the

00:18:28.340 pair didn't have a baby because they didn't want there to be an heir for some reason um

00:18:34.460 so they were not having children this became increasingly problematic as the years went by

00:18:40.260 it was potentially because henry did not want to have sex with her it was potentially because

00:18:45.080 they did not know how to have sex but also the main advisor getting in margaret's way

00:18:50.580 was richard the duke of york so these two did not get along margaret persuaded henry to recall

00:19:01.440 richard like to remove him from his post as governor of france and banish him to ireland

00:19:06.180 um apparently and this is where i'm just like i like you margaret uh apparently she repeatedly

00:19:14.460 attempted to have him assassinated during his travels to and from ireland once in 1449 and

00:19:20.100 again in 1450 good for her um because if she didn't like him i bet he sucked so but then in

00:19:27.920 1450 richard the duke of york returned from ireland and was readmitted as a trusted advisor

00:19:32.560 i'm not sure why but just because everyone's allegiances were just coming and going and

00:19:37.400 changing and someone liked him and so they let him do that so we're now into margaret versus

00:19:43.360 richard round i guess three at this point like she tried to assassinate him twice which makes

00:19:48.420 me feel like maybe he tried to assassinate her first drama um but this time richard came out on

00:19:54.640 top because for some reason well i mean he came out on top of this battle because and we know

00:20:02.680 this because henry suggested richard should be named his heir which is wild because richard was

00:20:07.140 older than him margaret was like what are you doing and within a few months then she

00:20:12.420 gained control over him so he's just this person who was just kind of passive and people just

00:20:16.840 but he was the king so you had to convince him to side with you

00:20:20.160 um and then i think richard went back to ireland again there's just a lot of coming going for like

00:20:28.920 two years after that there were a bunch of military failures that resulted in england losing most of

00:20:33.780 its french lands and some loyalists to richard were like hey richard want to come back and take

00:20:41.860 over we kind of need you to lead the armed forces and Richard was like I got you so he was very

00:20:51.240 popular with like the common folk so he raised an army at Shrewsbury while Henry and Margaret

00:20:57.040 assembled forces in London and these were forces to be clear against each other like Richard was

00:21:01.860 trying to take over being king there was a standoff south of London Richard presented a list of

00:21:07.780 grievances and demands that included the arrest of a person named Edmund Beaufort, the Duke of

00:21:14.160 Somerset. We're just going to call him Somerset because there's going to be other Edmonds, I think.

00:21:23.320 So who was this person? Edmund Beaufort, Duke of Somerset. So he had, when Richard was away,

00:21:29.000 Somerset had kind of slipped into that power void and had been Henry's main advisor in tandem with

00:21:34.260 margaret there were rumors that they had an affair um shakespeare certainly thought so not

00:21:39.600 that he was born for another 200 years did they have an affair who cares um but richard said they

00:21:45.840 did and people were like really not liking margaret and they were ready to think she was like

00:21:49.480 this sexy french woman having affairs

00:21:51.560 so then the king agreed to arrest somerset but margaret was like please don't do that

00:22:00.860 um and like it's just back and forth like henry's just like so easily his loyalty just keeps changing

00:22:09.340 who he's loyal to so 1453 um margaret age 23 somerset's influence had been restored richard

00:22:18.900 was again on the outs and plus finally margaret was pregnant finally so either someone had

00:22:27.440 taught them how to well this is part of the thing where people like oh maybe she had an affair like

00:22:31.220 if they were married for almost 10 years and had no children and then suddenly she did people like

00:22:36.060 oh maybe she must have had sex with someone else and maybe she did or maybe just finally someone

00:22:40.080 explained to them how babies are made or maybe if you know the story of um catherine de medici

00:22:46.860 there was a thing where she didn't have children for a long time but it turned out that was because 0.99

00:22:50.740 her husband's penis was weirdly shaped and so you had to like have sex with him and this like 0.99

00:22:56.080 unconventional unusual position which the king's mistress taught her how to do and that's a story 0.99

00:23:03.040 for another day but anyway this is i'm sure a great relief to lots of people margaret was finally

00:23:08.040 pregnant but unfortunately um due to a combination of continued military losses

00:23:15.960 which is what happens when your king is a pacifist during war um her husband one just other

00:23:23.040 emotional situations henry went into a deep depressive state before the baby was born

00:23:29.200 so what was his deal i mean we don't know some people have suggested schizophrenia

00:23:38.160 or other mental issues but it sounds to me just like really severe depression of someone who had

00:23:46.220 this kind of shitty life where people are always telling him what to do he had to be a war king

00:23:52.240 when he wanted to just be like a little monk guy he was described as having no energy and he existed 0.99

00:23:58.660 in effectively uh like a catatonic stupor like sort of a waking coma not reacting to anyone

00:24:06.360 so he was like that when his heir margaret's son edward was born in 1453 and then there was a whole

00:24:15.860 thing about um a king needs to be like this is my son hi this is my son like publicly but like he

00:24:23.280 couldn't do that so there's a whole thing about like is it his son and also when the king is in

00:24:28.720 basically a catatonic stupor uh there was a big thing about like well who's going to be in charge

00:24:34.060 of literally the country because we're still at war margaret argued that she should take over

00:24:39.820 the way her mother and grandmother had when the king had been indisposed but of course Richard

00:24:45.880 was still there and he'd been sort of one of the managers when Henry was a baby king so he was like

00:24:53.780 I know this job like just let me do it and simultaneously while Henry was still in his

00:25:00.820 depressive coma like state Richard Duke of York gained a very important ally also named Richard

00:25:06.800 which was richard neville the earl of warwick who we're going to just call warwick is it

00:25:13.160 is it warwick anyway we're going to call him warwick now because there's a multiple multitude

00:25:20.180 of richards warwick was super influential very powerful and also very rich with warwick's help

00:25:27.760 richard was named as regent was named regent as protector of the realm in 1454 margaret was

00:25:35.260 excluded completely from having any power at all and edmund beaufort somerset was detained in the

00:25:41.140 tower of london um while many of richard's supporters spread rumors that edward was not

00:25:46.720 really the king's son but the son of somerset after a year henry emerged from his depressive

00:25:53.480 state he publicly acknowledged rich edward as his son which was important and he removed richard as

00:25:59.940 being in charge because like he's the king and he's back and he tried to um undo everything

00:26:05.160 Richard had done to make it like there was never a lost year at all but lots had changed during the

00:26:10.620 time he was unavailable and he wasn't able to just take everything back to how it was before

00:26:14.780 um he was also mad when he heard that Margaret wanted to take over and Richard wouldn't let her

00:26:20.360 because he liked his wife Margaret now because of their very convoluted family tree like the

00:26:27.500 were wars of the roses aka the cousins wars just like when i was watching the hollow crown

00:26:33.940 the british series about it i made myself a murder board like i bought a bulletin board thing

00:26:41.500 little cards and i made cards and i attached them to string to just be like who's the father of who

00:26:45.940 who was killed by who like i can't keep track of this whole story um but basically the family tree

00:26:53.560 is everyone is really closely related to everyone so richard duke of york was you know how he tried

00:26:59.360 to take over being king he like he kind of had a reason to think that he was a credible claimant

00:27:05.020 to the english throne because of who his ancestors were which were the same ancestors as henry

00:27:09.660 um and by the end of his kind of one-year period as fake king there were many powerful nobles and

00:27:16.320 relatives prepared to back him as king because he'd been basically not so secretly planning to

00:27:22.760 take over as king ever since his days as baby henry's regent henry was a gentle person but

00:27:28.140 had also been groomed by richard and others to be very trusting and pliable and not to stand up for

00:27:33.540 himself but margaret had not been raised like that she saw what was going on and she was like

00:27:38.680 hell no but from now on henry was more like post coma henry was more fragile and prone to mental

00:27:45.920 health based crises which meant just this power vacuum that Richard and Margaret were eternally

00:27:53.760 trying to fill so May 1455 just over five months after Henry VI recovered from another

00:28:01.700 bout of mental illness like aka depressive fugue state um Margaret called for a great counsel

00:28:11.920 of all the kind of like advisors and she specifically did not invite Richard or Team

00:28:18.320 York. Richard was very mad about that and soon soon he and his troops were marching to face off

00:28:25.380 against Margaret's troops or slash Henry's troops aka the Lancastrian troops. This was the Battle

00:28:33.020 of Northampton in 1460 at which point Henry was taken prisoner by Richard just like it happened 0.58

00:28:41.900 to good king renee so now margaret's just like her mom king slash husband in jail and she needs 0.89

00:28:47.400 to take over and then as my notes say battles battles battles with margaret stepping in as 0.99

00:28:54.100 the leader of team lancastrians um as a woman though she was thought to only be able to act 1.00

00:29:00.540 through deputies um although fun fact 30 years earlier her grandmother yolanda a powerful

00:29:09.660 protector to joan of arc they had been friends had worn silver armor and led her own troops

00:29:14.840 against the english so again margaret has like role models to look up to in this situation

00:29:19.360 um so this is kind of like unknown because of how long ago it happened and who was writing

00:29:25.940 the records but did she actually lead troops or did you just tell people to go be troops because

00:29:31.440 time and again reports would speak of margaret's lancastrian forces rather than of henry's

00:29:36.700 um at the second battle of alban st alban's one reporter seems to suggest that she was actually

00:29:44.420 literally there fighting maybe she was maybe she wasn't but she was certainly in charge

00:29:50.360 an anecdotal report of a speech once credited to margaret is as heroic as the one that elizabeth

00:29:58.180 the first did where she was like i'm a might have a body of a weak woman but i'm like stronger like

00:30:04.760 a man or whatever she said so margaret apparently said um i've often broken the english battle line

00:30:13.100 i've mowed down ranks far more stubborn than theirs are now you who once followed a peasant

00:30:17.380 girl joan of arc now follow a queen i will either conquer or be conquered with you she might have

00:30:24.380 said that in french i don't know so but as you know a strong independent woman and also a french

00:30:31.720 women in the middle of a french english war she became a scapegoat for many things for instance

00:30:38.160 richards like he'd been spreading the rumors that edward was illegitimate um that henry wasn't the 0.85

00:30:45.680 father that she was basically like a whore etc there were rumors you know people wrote vulgar 0.95

00:30:53.440 ballads about her and her power waned because of sexism um anyway so at the second battle of 0.94

00:31:04.420 st albans which i think i just mentioned so she defeated the york forces led by warwick

00:31:13.080 roick and she recaptured henry her husband who had been in prison at this point for literally a

00:31:18.620 year um being in prison guess what triggered another bout of mental health issues for this

00:31:23.220 fragile man he was allegedly laughing and singing as a battle raged around him

00:31:27.900 the king had promised so there's two um york guards who had been guarding him and he promised

00:31:34.620 them immunity because i guess they became friends but margaret was like no and she had them both

00:31:39.260 executed is alleged that she put these two men on trial with her eight-year-old son prince edward

00:31:44.960 in charge of the trial and a real sort of like cersei joffrey vibes moment um and she allegedly

00:31:53.080 asked fair son what death shall these knights die prince edward apparently replied their heads 0.94

00:31:58.480 should be cut off despite the king's pleas for mercy because henry had zero power except for

00:32:03.580 being king um at around this time richard died in battle question mark um presumably or of

00:32:16.780 whatever dysentery and the new head of team york was his son edward who was young and also hot

00:32:26.700 so at the battle of towton hot edward defeated the lancastrian forces deposed henry and named

00:32:34.620 himself king edward the fourth so i mean it's quite a change but he failed to capture henry

00:32:44.000 and margaret and so they fled to scotland during the first part of the reign of hot edward

00:32:48.680 lancastrian resistors so like supporters of henry and margaret continued mainly under margaret's

00:32:55.340 leadership because henry was just like not equipped for that um so there's some nobles

00:33:00.120 still loyal to them in the northern parts of england and wales even though hot edward was now

00:33:04.540 the king just for the record hot edward is the one who married elizabeth woodville and in the

00:33:10.560 white queen he is really hot and in the hollow crown really hot um so then what happened so

00:33:22.160 during this time of resistance margaret teamed up with the scottish okay so the scottish king was a

00:33:28.540 baby a lot of baby kings um called james because scottish kings are always called james

00:33:34.120 so there was baby king james of scotland's mother was called mary of gilders and she became friends

00:33:41.680 with margaret so mary was still mourning her recently dead husband and was the regent for

00:33:46.660 king baby james because scotch kings always named james so mary offered refuge for margaret and was

00:33:52.980 very helpful helpful to her in this time you know women helping women mary gave a number of scottish

00:33:59.280 troops to help margaret slash lancastrians mary and margaret also organized a betrothal between

00:34:06.120 margaret's son prince edward and mary's daughter margaret the names in this are just like an

00:34:12.120 unending cycle of the same names in return for her support mary asked for the town of berwick

00:34:19.900 on the anglo-scottish border which is like i'll help you but can i like literally have a town

00:34:25.360 um margaret was like no that's not something i'm willing to give you

00:34:30.880 and so relations between the two gal pals deteriorated um exacerbated by the increasingly

00:34:38.800 friendly alliance between hot king edward and duke philip of burgundy i'm not sure what he's up to

00:34:45.960 but it all has to do with alliance things so edward hot edward tried to put a stop to mary's

00:34:54.440 support of margaret by proposing marriage to the widowed queen hot edwards this is pre-elizabeth

00:34:58.880 woodville era so hot edward proposed marriage to mary in scotland mary was like no oh here we go

00:35:07.300 mary's uncle duke philip of burgundy was her uncle um pressure her to call off the engagement

00:35:14.580 anyway in 1462 mary paid the lancastrian royals to leave scotland and made peace with hot edward

00:35:23.260 she also hinted at the possibility of marriage between her and him but that never happened

00:35:29.500 so margaret was just like well why am i supposed to peace out of scotland apparently

00:35:35.320 she headed to her homeland france where she made an ally of her cousin king louis the 11th

00:35:44.600 um and then in a shocking surprise twist it seems like he kind of mediated this but she

00:35:51.960 allowed a meeting with edwards or hot edwards former supporter warwick remember work he was

00:36:00.240 one who um he was working with richard duke of york against margaret back in the day but here's

00:36:08.180 what happened warwick had been um also supporting hot edward like he's fully on team hot edward

00:36:13.920 but then he switched sides because he was like hot edward i found you the perfect woman to marry

00:36:19.040 and edward was like oh sorry i can't guess what i secretly married elizabeth woodville who is maybe

00:36:24.320 a luxembourgese water witch in a secret sexy marriage warwick was so mad about that um

00:36:32.320 he wanted revenge against edward for that and the whole enemy of my enemy is my friend and so

00:36:38.460 in this wild and interesting plot twist that actually happened um so warwick and margaret

00:36:45.400 teamed up so to cement this new wild unanticipated alliance warwick's daughter anne neville was

00:36:52.920 married to margaret's son edward the prince of wales margaret insisted the work returned to

00:36:58.060 england to prove himself before she followed just to be like are you just like double crossing here

00:37:02.300 like you know are you just pretending to be on my side so he did he went back to england

00:37:08.400 and with his help guess what happened team lancastrians emerged victorious um they put

00:37:16.720 king henry vi back on the throne and hot edward was now sent running off into the wilderness so

00:37:22.180 this is just like the king switcheroo it's like it's henry and then he's in a coma and then it's

00:37:27.980 richard and that's henry again and then edward takes over but then guess what henry takes back

00:37:32.300 over again except he has nothing to do with it and like just wants to be a little monk guy

00:37:36.260 wandering the desert so then margaret her son prince edward and her daughter-in-law and neville

00:37:44.160 were ready to follow warwick back to england but the tables had turned back in favor of team hot

00:37:50.540 edward warwick was defeated and killed by hot edward in the battle of barnett in 1471 so henry

00:38:00.700 had only re-been king for six months um by the end of which he was like categorically insane

00:38:08.860 because i just feel so badly for him this just like was not the life he wanted but it's like

00:38:14.720 you're the son of the king and here you go do this stuff like poor him honestly

00:38:19.400 so margaret was forced to lead her own army she's like no problem i've done this my mother did this

00:38:26.340 my grandmother did this at the battle of tewkesbury on may 4th 1471 at which her forces

00:38:35.280 were defeated and her 17 year old son prince edward was killed the circumstances of his death

00:38:43.040 have never been made clear it is not known whether he was killed in the actual fighting

00:38:47.240 or if he was executed after the battle because he was henry's heir etc so she was captured

00:38:55.800 hot edward relegated her to the tower of london and this is where we get to our season theme 1.00

00:39:01.000 women in towers and the assholes who put them there was hot i word an asshole i mean probably 1.00

00:39:06.820 but not the biggest one in this story so she sent to the tower of london which at that point was 0.99

00:39:12.800 just like a castle not a prison um when she heard the outcome like when she heard that the battle

00:39:19.580 had lost and her son had lost um she attempted to flee capture with her daughter-in-law ann neville

00:39:24.680 but they were apprehended three days later by sir william stanley at which point she learned of her

00:39:29.540 son's death and she had to be bodily dragged from where she was hiding four days after that she came

00:39:36.760 face to face with edward she reportedly screamed abuses at him don't blame her well he responded

00:39:42.580 mildly that she would be treated honorably in other words she had no reason to fear her execution

00:39:47.300 in fact she was sort of like a prize of war or what do you call it she was in the king's retinue

00:39:54.580 when he entered london victoriously to be like guess what i'm back king again um and she was

00:40:00.680 sort of paraded around as a prisoner um and remember how the people of england did not like

00:40:06.260 her they still didn't um so as she was forced marched through the city streets she would people

00:40:12.420 hurled obscenities at her while mud and debris was flung at her and remember how when she first

00:40:17.340 arrived they were like everyone's so excited we have to make sure the roofs are strong enough to

00:40:21.120 stand for all the crowds that'll be there and now they're just throwing mud at her

00:40:24.720 um so she's taken to the tower where she was informed that guess what her husband had died

00:40:34.760 now also he was almost 100 assassinated because they just had to stop being like you're the king

00:40:41.500 now you're the king like so she begged to be given custody of his body but it was instead

00:40:46.220 displayed to the public so there could be no question henry had lost york had won and the war

00:40:51.760 was over asterix not really so in terms of like women in towers so her stay in the tower was

00:41:01.400 brief, roughly six weeks. After that, she was quietly moved to Wallingford Castle and put in

00:41:07.600 custody of Alice Chaucer, the Dowager Duchess of Suffolk. So Alice was the widow of Margaret's

00:41:16.140 one-time most trusted counselor, William de la Pole, Duke of Suffolk, who had been assassinated

00:41:22.320 21 years before. Alice had also served as her chief lady-in-waiting. And in fact, like their

00:41:29.500 history goes all the way back she's one of the people who is chosen to escort margaret as a

00:41:34.020 teenage bride back in 1445 um by this point margaret just for the just so you know she's 41

00:41:39.540 years old what a life she's lived honestly that's basically my same age and i've never led an army

00:41:49.040 in battle so more about alice why am i telling you so much about alice because maybe later this

00:41:56.320 season does well become interesting and important and pertinent so alice's husband had died

00:42:01.880 her son john de la pole was married to hot edward's sister elizabeth

00:42:08.160 um so she was just like a woman with a good instinct for survival like she knew kind of

00:42:15.240 which team to be on when so at this point alice so margaret is 41 alice was in her 60s and she

00:42:22.200 was now the prison guard of her former like boss and she's paid five marks a week i don't know if

00:42:29.140 that was a lot or not so for the next four years these two women lived in wellingford castle without

00:42:34.540 disturbance um and unfortunately without having left any clue as to what was going on between

00:42:40.680 them probably a lot of stitching um i don't know music playing book reading alice died in 1475 and

00:42:51.840 margaret's fortune turned dot dot dot in theory so she had just been like a prisoner effectively

00:43:00.220 um with her sort of friend alice but basically while she was there what had happened is that

00:43:06.240 under the kingship of hot edward england had decided to launch an invasion of france

00:43:12.440 partially because they were still just really mad about margaret and she was french so they

00:43:20.280 were attacking where she was from um but let's see so england had little appetite for war even

00:43:28.520 with france hot edward didn't really want to go to war with them so he instead negotiated a peace

00:43:33.600 settlement um that included some various terms and one of them is the return of margaret to france

00:43:40.660 in exchange for a ransom so they're like we'll give her back to you if you pay us money and they

00:43:45.800 were like sure i don't know why they wanted her back but cool um margaret was of no value in

00:43:53.580 england and she posed no threat to england abroad so her release meant little to hot edward

00:43:58.140 by 1475 when she was released so to margaret it meant the chance to return home where her father

00:44:04.660 good king renee still living um let's see oh she was of no value in england but she was still of

00:44:13.560 some value in france oh i see so france wanted her that's why they were willing to pay money

00:44:17.260 so she landed in france in january 1476 by march she was forced to sign away any inheritance or

00:44:23.500 right she might have to lorraine through her deceased mother or anjou bar and provence through

00:44:28.540 her father in return for signing this she received a pension of 6 000 crowns from her cousin

00:44:33.640 who is the king to live on which provided her with just enough comfort until her death

00:44:39.680 um and it let the king with a better chance to absorb those territories into like france

00:44:45.500 so let's see margaret had an older sister called yolanda both of them survived all of their

00:44:52.960 brothers um and none of them had an heir so oh okay so her son like everyone's dead it's like

00:45:06.920 who's going to inherit Lorraine, the place that they were from.

00:45:10.680 So the Duchy of Lorraine and its title passed to Yolanda, Margaret's older sister,

00:45:14.840 who passed it along to her oldest son. 0.89

00:45:18.900 But Margaret's actions angered Yolanda and the two quarreled, 0.98

00:45:22.100 souring what was never a close relationship.

00:45:25.600 So Margaret turned to good King René and wrote to him to request

00:45:29.140 she be allowed to make her home at his court in Provence.

00:45:33.120 Permission granted, she lived with him and her stepmother, Jean de Laval,

00:45:36.400 for the next four years good king rene passed away in july 1480 at which point marguerite was

00:45:44.480 finally and completely without any family members alive whatsoever per her cousin's plans anjou

00:45:51.860 was absorbed into france provence passed to a cousin and bar passed to her sister yolande who

00:45:58.220 again passed off to her son margaret uh chose to return to anjou where she went to move into a

00:46:06.020 place called the chateau de suzay um owned by a man who had faithfully served her father

00:46:12.020 his name was francis de la vignorise and there are passing rumors of a romance between the two

00:46:19.360 but i mean it's there's not any like factual reasons to think that and well it's nice to

00:46:26.640 wish that margaret had some like romantic love in her like later years um we don't know that for

00:46:33.360 sure but you know what i think so i think she she got her groove back so let me see so so she's

00:46:43.540 living in suze and then her health began to fail shortly after her 52nd birthday in 1482

00:46:52.500 you know what she's like the stress of her life of course she wrote her will that august although

00:47:00.300 she had little to give away since she had like inherited nothing and she passed away on august

00:47:04.740 25th 1482 she was interred in angers cathedral alongside her parents and then like literally

00:47:11.440 everybody french who died ever um her remains were removed and scattered by revolutionaries

00:47:17.660 during the french revolution there's a lot of um looting of tombs and throwing around of bones in

00:47:24.600 the french revolution so margaret is a major character in william shakespeare's history plays

00:47:33.100 um she's she appears in henry the sixth part one and two and three as well as in richard the third

00:47:39.060 she's the only character to appear alive in all four plays but due to the length of the plays

00:47:44.400 many of her lines are usually cut which sucks because honestly if you watch the hollow crown

00:47:49.040 she is the best character she's played by um sophie okanito amazing every moment she's on

00:47:55.640 screen i'm just like more please so shakespeare portrays margaret as an intelligent ruthless 0.97

00:48:02.400 woman who easily dominates her husband which is like correct that is what she seems to have 0.93

00:48:08.620 been like um in henry the sixth part two shakespeare shows her having an affair with somerset

00:48:14.640 and mourning his death by carrying around his severed head and you know what that is the first

00:48:21.960 of twice this season of vulgar history i'm going to tell you about a woman who had allegedly carried

00:48:27.940 around the severed head of her dead lover fun fact let's see in henry the sixth part three 1.00

00:48:34.460 she personally stabs richard duke of york in the battlefield good for her and then becomes suicidal

00:48:40.320 when Edward is killed in front of her and she and then I forget if it's in I don't know because 0.90

00:48:46.660 the holocron like combines everything but she shows up I think Richard III and she's basically 0.60

00:48:50.900 just this like witch who's just like everything is terrible you're all gonna die um and everyone's 0.88

00:48:57.100 like crazy we don't listen to you and then it turns out she's right about everything a very

00:49:00.800 Cassandra moment for an actress what a role honestly you get to play all the things um

00:49:07.880 um yeah so shakespeare has a return to royal court in richard the third oh yeah in her first

00:49:14.780 appearance in that play she dramatically curses everybody for their roles in the downfall of the

00:49:19.400 house of lancaster and all of her curses come to pass um as the nobleman she curses are betrayed

00:49:24.680 and executed and each character reflects on her curse before his execution being like oh she was

00:49:29.860 right um her prominence in shakespeare so what i said before like a lot of people cut her parts

00:49:37.660 out of the plays which is a bad idea because then you're just left with a lot of men in the play

00:49:41.580 which makes it much more boring but in more recent years um some people have reinterpreted the play

00:49:48.760 to make her be in it more so an adaptation called Margaret of Anjou by Elizabeth Schaefer and

00:49:56.500 Philippa Kelly was performed in 2016 in London by by Jove Theatre Company so in 2018 the Royal

00:50:05.380 exchange theater in manchester premiered queen margaret using all the lines spoken by margaret

00:50:09.900 over the four plays with additional material by playwright genie o'hare and the thing is she's

00:50:16.540 known as the she-wolf of france and that's like an insult because well the whole like they didn't

00:50:25.040 english people didn't like france and they're like who's this woman who's like leading armies

00:50:29.440 and whatever but honestly nothing i've read made me makes me think like she's a villain at all but

00:50:33.940 She's like very much like a major woman villain of British history.

00:50:40.540 Apparently, not to me.

00:50:42.800 I quite enjoy learning about her.

00:50:45.780 So we're going to give her her score.

00:50:48.680 How exciting is this?

00:50:49.640 We haven't scored anyone in such a long time.

00:50:52.440 Now, I thought about changing some of the categories,

00:50:57.180 but I'm like, no, I have to keep a consistent category

00:50:59.220 so we can keep comparing where everybody falls

00:51:01.920 and just get this master list of people in order.

00:51:03.940 of scandaliciousness the first qualifier is scandaliciousness which is just like how 1.00

00:51:10.360 um much of a gossipy good time was her story and frankly like there was the rumors of oh did she

00:51:18.560 have an affair it was her sudden illegitimate and whatever but like that was made up like 0.91

00:51:24.020 it was not based on anything she wasn't like running around tits out or whatever 1.00

00:51:27.820 and i i'm gonna give her a three for scandalousness because it were the rumors but 1.00

00:51:34.700 she herself didn't really do anything in a scandalousness sort of way scheminess

00:51:39.580 was great so if we look at um the scheminess of her like first just like loki subtly like 1.00

00:51:46.400 take control over her husband the coma king and now she kept like kicking richard out she tried 1.00

00:51:52.820 assassinate him twice i just remembered that um then she's like leading armies she was just 1.00

00:51:58.520 then like making the alliance with mary in scotland like i'm gonna give her an 8.5 for 0.85

00:52:03.920 scheminess because no i'm gonna give her a 9 for scheminess because she was just like

00:52:10.520 unrelentingly like she got it done scheminess wise her significance is like she was not the 0.96

00:52:18.520 mother of a kung which inevitably gives people some significance points she was significant 0.90

00:52:26.160 because she's a majorly significant figure in the cousins war era like she was leading battles like

00:52:33.420 she was without her i don't know this all have gone on really differently so that does give her 0.90

00:52:38.900 quite a bit of significance i'm gonna give her a six for significance the sexism bonus is how

00:52:47.420 much did the patriarchy bring her down and frankly i don't know it's tricky like you know

00:52:56.320 she was sold off in marriage at age 14 but that's kind of like that happened to everybody um and

00:53:01.880 her husband wasn't terrible but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck to be sold off in marriage at age 0.99

00:53:05.280 14 then people like the whole shield for france the whole like oh is she a french whore like 0.98

00:53:13.460 people treated her badly because she was french so this is like a sexism slash xenophobia bonus 0.99

00:53:18.780 um then the fact she's leading armies made people be like is she a witch whatever like 0.97

00:53:24.860 there's there's bullshit there i'm gonna give her an eight for sexism bonus so where does that put 1.00

00:53:32.040 her 17 26 so this puts her that's the same score as lady ann stanley and askew ethel fled lady of 0.98

00:53:43.960 the martians and francis howard tits out so we're starting off strong this season of vulgar history

00:53:52.340 now i think that i wanted to bring up in this podcast is that in this hiatus between episodes

00:54:01.580 i've been reading and learning lots about the world and history and what history gets written

00:54:10.280 and who is writing it and stuff like that and my research i don't know expertise or interest is

00:54:19.520 very much in women in british history medieval slash renaissance period that's just kind of

00:54:27.540 where I'm coming from that's what I just that's what I know the most about and I was like oh should

00:54:32.720 I like try and make the show be about like more uh different countries and different um nationalities

00:54:40.760 of people and stuff and I'm like I don't there's so many people who are doing that work I don't

00:54:45.000 need to like come in here and like do it badly so what I wanted to do is to take this opportunity to

00:54:50.700 highlight uh some some people who are doing this work and i think is so worth knowing about

00:55:00.040 so there is an author named alok ved manan who is on instagram they describe themselves as author

00:55:11.220 performer speaker fashionista who is has a master master's degree in sociology and also in gender

00:55:19.200 studies and so if you go to alok's instagram page there's a link there for book reports but

00:55:25.340 also if you just follow them on instagram you're going to get all the new ones that come out so

00:55:29.440 basically it's incredible i love i love these book reports they do so it's kind of like based on

00:55:37.060 these deep dives that they're doing like alok is doing the work and i just want to share the fact

00:55:42.800 that the three can find it so for instance um stuff like how men define nature to oppress women

00:55:51.100 the invention of the sex binary um it used to be illegal for women to wear pants a history of

00:55:57.540 cross-dressing laws women with mustaches gender and imperialism so what they are is sort of like

00:56:02.940 a slideshow on instagram of a book that alok has read and kind of relates the main facts in that

00:56:09.640 and i've learned so much about the history of just of queer people of intersex people of

00:56:16.580 non-binary people and how that's not like a new thing that's just happening and there was really

00:56:21.220 um alok i first discovered them as a guest on laverne cox's podcast the laverne cox show which

00:56:27.040 is so good also but there was a thing i'm going to paraphrase but alok basically said like not

00:56:33.320 seeing people who are like and so who who remind them of them in the world today as much than so

00:56:45.420 they find comfort in reading history and finding people like them and just as a reminder they're

00:56:51.360 like this like there's always been people there's always been all kinds of people in history and

00:56:54.760 they've been celebrated in different cultures it's not always been like what it's like now

00:56:57.800 with all the awful anti-trans legislation and stuff going on and I just really connected with

00:57:04.300 that um in the sense of finding people finding comfort in reading about things and people in

00:57:12.300 history and just kind of feeling as part of this like long human race that's always had all kinds

00:57:17.020 of different people in it and we're not like we're living in this bizarre moment now of pandemic era

00:57:24.220 and people have lived through stuff like this before and i find comfort knowing that like the

00:57:30.580 human race just keeps going and so anyway i'll put a link to alok's instagram in the show notes and i

00:57:37.140 super encourage following them just to get to learn more about this history that is not

00:57:42.860 not as readily available um but again like alok is doing the work to bring these stories to light

00:57:51.080 and I think that's so great and I think that's so important and I think it's a good

00:57:54.760 good to be well-rounded in your knowledge of especially if you're into history just like

00:58:01.920 one of the other things I've been thinking about in this Hayuda's time is who wrote the history

00:58:09.240 that I've read and what you know we've talked about this on the podcast like who was like you

00:58:13.580 know people writing about Cleopatra who just like thought she was awful the same way as people

00:58:17.120 writing about Margaret of Anjou like history is written by the victors and so it's like there's

00:58:21.160 so many people who are forgotten and even the people on this podcast who are often lesser

00:58:26.340 talked about women from British royal history like at least there's something written about them

00:58:33.020 there's so many people who it takes such a deep dive to find anything about them and sometimes

00:58:38.600 there's just nothing you know like even in this story like we don't know what Margaret and Alice

00:58:42.660 were doing for those like several years together in the castle because there's no written record of

00:58:46.620 it like even the women we look at who are like this is the princess of whatever it's like she's

00:58:50.260 probably born in this year we don't know like there's so many people whose stories we don't know

00:58:54.220 and i think it's important to try and if we can't learn specifically about them then to learn what

00:59:00.920 the world was like and imagine what it was like for people who were not royals and not nobles um

00:59:08.060 yeah so that's my that's my recommendation for today and there's going to be more episodes

00:59:15.420 it's coming because season four is here it's happening it's real we're live we're loving it

00:59:21.760 and we're gonna learn about some more women trapped in towers ask us who put them there oh

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Vulgar History - May 05, 2021

Women Trapped In Towers, part 1： The She-Wolf of France

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