Witches of Scotland - February 03, 2021


EPISODE 20 - EXCLUSIVE - JOIN THE PETITION TO PARDON, APOLOGISE AND OBTAIN A NATIONAL MONUMENT

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00:00:00.160 Hi, I'm Clare Mitchell QC. Welcome to the Witches of Scotland podcast.
00:00:05.220 I'm a lawyer who specialises in miscarriage of justice cases and we're bringing you this podcast
00:00:10.120 because we want to tell you about the women who were accused, prosecuted, convicted
00:00:15.240 and ultimately executed as witches in Scotland.
00:00:18.780 I'm Zoe Vendetotsi and I'm a writer who's always had an interest in the witches
00:00:22.780 and I feel that this dark mark against Scotland needs a reckoning.
00:00:26.500 The campaign Witches of Scotland wants three things.
00:00:29.600 Firstly, a pardon for all those convicted of witchcraft.
00:00:33.120 Secondly, an apology for all those who were accused as witches.
00:00:37.420 And finally, a national monument in recognition of all those who were affected by this terrible miscarriage of justice.
00:00:44.420 Over the forthcoming weeks, we'll be talking to a whole host of experts about the history and the modern day connections to the witches of Scotland.
00:00:51.420 hello and welcome to this special episode of the witches of scotland podcast we are bringing this
00:01:01.000 to you today to give you some exclusive and really pretty exciting news from our camp claire yes what
00:01:08.360 we want to let you know is that the petition has now been lodged at the scottish parliament asking
00:01:14.780 for people to sign up if they agree with the idea that we should have a pardon and apology
00:01:21.380 and a national memorial.
00:01:23.620 What I thought we would do, Zoe,
00:01:25.140 is just read out the petition
00:01:27.100 so people can hear what it is we're asking folk
00:01:29.600 to get involved with. 0.99
00:01:31.540 I launched the Witches of Scotland campaign
00:01:33.260 on International Women's Day 2020.
00:01:36.140 The campaign has three aims.
00:01:37.960 To obtain a pardon for those convicted as witches
00:01:40.160 under the Witchcraft Act of 1563.
00:01:43.560 To obtain an apology for all those accused
00:01:45.920 and to obtain a national monument
00:01:48.120 to remember those killed as witches.
00:01:51.380 Since March 2020, Zoe Venditotsi and I have been raising the profile of the campaign by our podcast, which can be found on the website www.witchesofscotland.com, which was set up to support the campaign.
00:02:05.580 When standing in Princess Street Gardens one day, I reflected on the fact that there was no female visibility in public spaces, no statues to name women recording things that they had done.
00:02:16.240 I then looked at the Norr Loch which sits below the Castle Esplanade where 300 or so people were
00:02:22.040 killed as witches. Not only is history not properly recording what positive things women do
00:02:27.320 but their history is also erased by not properly recording their story. I have a particular interest
00:02:33.380 in Scottish legal history and the people who were caught up in the accusations of witchcraft
00:02:37.780 so I decided to start a campaign to restore these people, mostly women, to their correct place in
00:02:43.680 history as women and men, not witches. Between 1563 and 1736, the years when the Witchcraft Act
00:02:52.220 was law, there were four relatively defined periods of satanic panic, which resulted in
00:02:57.180 approximately just shy of 4,000 people being accused as witches. As with elsewhere in Europe,
00:03:02.780 the vast majority of those accused, some 85%, were women. Confession to allegations of witchcraft
00:03:08.940 were routinely obtained by torture, both physical and mental. The stripping and pricking of women
00:03:14.580 was common, as was sleep deprivation. Most confessed, and that was used as the basis for
00:03:19.620 their conviction. Of all of those 4,000, academics estimate that approximately 2,500
00:03:25.800 were executed. The method of execution was by way of strangulation and then burning at the stake.
00:03:32.260 In comparison to elsewhere in Europe, where witch trials also took place, Scotland had approximately
00:03:37.680 five times the number of cases than elsewhere in Europe during this time. Alas, at finding and
00:03:43.400 killing witches, we excelled. The reason for each of the aims is separate but interrelated. 0.76
00:03:49.260 Firstly, the aim of getting a pardon is to write, insofar as is now possible, the terrible
00:03:54.280 miscarriage of justice that was suffered by the people who were convicted and executed as witches.
00:04:00.060 It is universally accepted that such allegations and subsequent convictions ought not to have
00:04:05.500 happened. We cannot overturn the convictions, but we can restore these people to history to remember
00:04:10.880 them as people who were so wrongly dealt with by our criminal justice system and not as witches.
00:04:17.380 Secondly, the aim of getting an apology is to obtain a public statement of regret for those
00:04:22.000 who were accused, including those who were not convicted. A pardon can only be granted to those
00:04:27.220 who were convicted, but many had their lives irrevocably damaged by an allegation of witchcraft.
00:04:32.880 Scotland's most famous accused woman, Lilius Aidey, was accused of witchcraft and died a month into her remand in custody,
00:04:40.460 most likely having suffered greatly by torture in order to try and obtain a confession.
00:04:45.300 She, and many others, deserve acknowledgement and apology.
00:04:48.920 The third aim is to obtain a national memorial to all those affected by the witchcraft trials.
00:04:55.020 Throughout Scotland, there are local memorials raised by people in their area to memorialise women remembered by them.
00:05:00.900 I believe that it's appropriate for a national memorial to be built to remember the history of all people who were affected
00:05:07.120 and to serve as proper reflection of the story of women and men in Scotland.
00:05:12.700 In passing the historical sexual offences, pardon and disregard, close brackets, Act 2018,
00:05:19.920 the Scottish Parliament set a precedent for righting historic wrongs and for pardoning those who were convicted of offences,
00:05:26.260 including when those affected were no longer with us, to benefit personally from the pardon.
00:05:31.480 This petition has the same desires.
00:05:34.020 Recently, the Scottish Parliament stated its intention to pardon minors convicted during the 1984 miners' strike.
00:05:40.700 The Justice Minister made it clear that the pardon was to affect not only the living,
00:05:45.100 but those who had died suffering a miscarriage of justice.
00:05:48.260 The aim of that pardon is to issue a collective and posthumous pardon.
00:05:52.240 Again, the same is sought for those convicted as witches.
00:05:55.760 The only muted criticism which has met the campaign is that what happened to those convicted witches happened a long time ago
00:06:03.020 and that there's no need to pardon them or memorialise them now.
00:06:07.060 We don't think these criticisms bear any great weight.
00:06:10.500 History still records these people as convicted witches.
00:06:14.060 Justice demands that this is put right.
00:06:16.620 History should properly reflect what these people were.
00:06:19.720 Innocent, vulnerable people caught up in a time when allegations of witchcraft were widespread and deadly.
00:06:26.620 Further, as the Black Lives Matter campaign has shown, in particular the response to the removal of statues,
00:06:32.700 people passionately care about the fact that their history is properly recorded and that they are properly represented in the world.
00:06:40.560 Academics have explained that the almost universal rationale for accusations of witchcraft,
00:06:45.200 having been and continue to be made against women in particular is that women as the weaker sex
00:06:50.660 would be more susceptible to the devil's charms the underlying rationale that women were inferior
00:06:55.980 to men alas women in scotland and worldwide are still discriminated against not yet achieve
00:07:02.320 parity in many ways including the workplace in wages etc misogyny remains an ever-present issue
00:07:08.900 for women worldwide writing this wrong by pardoning and memorializing these women and men would be a
00:07:14.800 mark against such views. As for the view that money could well be spent elsewhere, we do not
00:07:19.960 think that the cost of an apology is significant. The work done in relation to previous pardons
00:07:24.900 provide an immediately transferable template with which to legislate this pardon. Whilst a memorial
00:07:30.340 may be of some cost, it is in the most worthwhile cause to record the history of Scotland's women
00:07:35.980 and men. Other countries have, over the years, pardoned and or memorialised those who were
00:07:42.240 convicted of witchcraft, the following list not being an exhaustive one. Salem, who had a total
00:07:47.820 of 19 convictions, 15 women and four men, have pardoned all those convicted and have a memorial
00:07:54.380 garden which is a bench dedicated to each person who was killed. Norway has the beautiful and
00:08:00.300 haunting large-scale memorial in Finnmark which memorialises the 91 people killed as witches there.
00:08:07.100 Germany has a significant number of memorials throughout the country.
00:08:10.240 the support for the campaign has been significant both at local and international level the witches
00:08:16.600 of scotland campaign has engaged with groups who have obtained memorials such as the witches trail
00:08:20.900 and curis we have engaged in public discussion with the edubra civic trust through the witches
00:08:26.120 of scotland podcast we have reached thousands of people who have listened to the views of academics
00:08:30.500 writers notably sarah sheridan whose book where are the women inspired that same question in
00:08:36.180 Prince's Street Garden. Artists who seek to memorialise women killed as witches. Filmmakers
00:08:41.680 who want to record the stories of women killed as witches. Authors who have highlighted the need
00:08:46.320 for memorialisation. The campaign has generated responses from artists and musicians who have
00:08:51.700 begun their own memorialisation projects. We have significant support from the public online who
00:08:57.260 have commented, shared, liked and listened to our campaign many thousands of times over.
00:09:03.020 we believe a pardon apology and memorial are necessary as a reckoning for all those who
00:09:10.080 suffered this terrible miscarriage of justice and in this belief we are supported by many
00:09:15.440 thank you for listening to our petition if you agree with what we say please do go online
00:09:22.260 and support the petition we will of course supply links to it on twitter instagram on the website
00:09:28.600 etc so that you can do that and also please if you could share this with other people that you
00:09:34.580 think might be of a like mind and would also support the campaign please do it's now an
00:09:40.540 opportunity for all of us to have our say and it would be really really great if we would have a
00:09:46.400 large positive response to the petition please do share because not everybody uses social media
00:09:52.780 so if you know people that are not podcast listeners it doesn't matter if you know people
00:09:58.140 that are of a like mind and they're not at all interested in twitter or whatever please do point
00:10:03.860 them towards the scottish parliament website though where they can add their names to the
00:10:07.640 petition because as claire says it's very very important we prove that there's a big groundswell
00:10:11.980 of support behind this for it to be successful and now we're delighted to bring you a poem which
00:10:17.920 witches of scotland commissioned the poem is written by a young poet maybe known to many
00:10:25.180 online as lenny sorus she has written this poem which is called in memoriam and it's about the
00:10:31.900 fight for justice for the people convicted as witches of scotland in memoriam they tried to
00:10:41.380 tack your spirit hen destroy that which they couldnae control so you spoke and the world
00:10:47.080 didnae listen hen, smoothest 0.89
00:10:49.020 madam that burned in your soul 0.99
00:10:50.820 your deed, but never gone
00:10:53.220 hen, there's them that still carry
00:10:55.060 your name, there's them
00:10:57.080 that mind criminals, biding in courts
00:10:59.520 heeds that should hang heavy
00:11:01.060 wi shame, old Nick
00:11:03.320 didnae ken ye for Eve hen
00:11:04.940 ye had but your ain eyes to see
00:11:07.340 the rang was nae yours
00:11:09.560 the guilt was misplaced
00:11:11.020 your innocence plain as can be
00:11:13.320 but they took 0.97
00:11:14.960 muckle mere than a life hen
00:11:16.720 A conal snuffed out in its prime 0.52
00:11:19.080 A state-sanctioned murdery innocent folks
00:11:22.400 Punishment lacking a crime 0.96
00:11:24.360 Your soul's now at peace with the earth, hen
00:11:27.840 Sleep and be one with the sky
00:11:30.680 Wheels screave your name
00:11:33.060 And books they cannae burn
00:11:34.500 Write a legacy never to die 1.00
00:11:36.720 But we willnae just beg o' your pardon, hen 0.97
00:11:39.960 Those days have long ceased to exist
00:11:42.520 We new demanded justice
00:11:44.960 For all those like you
00:11:47.440 lying gone, but eternally missed.
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