Culture Study Podcast - Nicole Kidman's Resting Rich Face

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00:01:12.620 If you had to give someone a syllabus

00:01:15.520 to fully understand the work of Nicole Kidman,

00:01:20.100 what are like three to five texts

00:01:22.940 that would be on that syllabus?

00:01:24.820 Not Moulin Rouge.

00:01:26.460 Oh.

00:01:26.920 I'm sorry.

00:01:27.920 I don't like it.

00:01:29.080 Oh, I love it.

00:01:29.680 It's doing too much.

00:01:31.060 It's so bloated.

00:01:32.660 It's so bloated.

00:01:33.540 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:01:34.340 But also, I think that it needs to be on there to understand kind of her wackiness. 0.99

00:01:41.340 Yeah. 0.99

00:01:41.920 This is the thing.

00:01:42.400 She's wacky, and she feels at her core like a musical theater girly. 0.62

00:01:48.300 Yeah.

00:01:49.080 And, like, I don't know.

00:01:50.340 I think for me, the biggest through line with Nicole Kidman's career is just like her work ethic.

00:01:55.040 Like she's never not working.

00:01:56.960 I'd say Eyes Wide Shut.

00:02:00.240 I'd say The Hours.

00:02:03.000 I'd say Big Little Lies.

00:02:05.880 And I want something bad in there.

00:02:08.060 So what's the one with, why did I want to say Hugh Hefner?

00:02:11.080 Hugh Grant.

00:02:11.860 What's that one?

00:02:13.800 Hugh Grant?

00:02:14.780 Who is she?

00:02:15.880 Hugh Jackman?

00:02:17.240 No, Hugh Grant and Nicole Kidman did a show together.

00:02:20.340 The Undoing.

00:02:21.580 Oh, right.

00:02:22.980 Right.

00:02:24.120 It was horrible, but you have to see that to know her full.

00:02:28.120 Wasn't that like pandemic era?

00:02:30.180 Am I misremembering?

00:02:31.480 There are like so many, so many limited series that came out during the pandemic that blend together.

00:02:36.340 And half of them starred her.

00:02:43.420 This is the Culture Study Podcast, and I'm Anne Helen Peterson.

00:02:46.760 And I'm Sam Sanders, podcaster and big fan of Anne Helen Peterson.

00:02:52.180 Can you tell us about your new podcast?

00:02:54.700 Yeah, so long-time listeners have been hearing me make a show called Vibe Check with my dear friends Saeed Jones and Zach Stafford for quite a while.

00:03:03.680 But in early October, I launched a new entertainment and culture interview show in partnership with KCRW, and it's called The Sam Sanders Show.

00:03:13.520 uh every week we are on the radio on podcast feeds and on youtube full video and so far i've

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00:03:31.600 this week i'm talking with the two stars of the fx hit show english teacher i really like it

00:03:38.660 It's really fun.

00:03:39.860 Oh, also Monet Exchange, also Roy Wood Jr.

00:03:43.620 It's fun.

00:03:44.660 You know, I've been doing interviews for a long time, but doing them all in person in

00:03:49.220 front of cameras, it's a whole different vibe.

00:03:52.500 It's a whole different vibe.

00:03:52.740 I was just going to say, I was going to say this whole new world of like essentially,

00:03:57.800 you know, like Trevor Noah's podcast is like this too, where you are doing like an interview

00:04:04.120 the way that like you know old school interviews like television interviews while also trying to

00:04:09.920 think about how does this work without the video too like you have to be catering to these two

00:04:15.860 different audiences which i think is really interesting it is and it's it's like i realize

00:04:20.820 the hardest part is like the first 30 seconds yeah because what youtube wants in the first 30

00:04:26.020 seconds is not what a radio listener wants in the first 30 seconds so right now i write three intros

00:04:30.800 a week. And I read one in front of the guest with a teleprompter. We're doing teleprompter

00:04:35.640 too. It's a whole new world. It's a whole new world. But I like it. It's a fun challenge.

00:04:40.100 And like, now I can say I can do video and I can read teleprompter.

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00:04:54.740 It is a write-off.

00:04:56.000 But like, wow. Our set's really fun and festive. It's a blue cloud sky.

00:05:00.800 uh lots of green plants um colorful chairs so I'm trying to go big bold colorful geometric shapes

00:05:09.020 like I love shackets shirt jackets yes that have things on them that make me feel like a

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00:05:33.240 it's not a fun word but it works it's the future it is it is okay so we are very excited to talk 0.56

00:05:41.920 all things nicole kidman and so back to this syllabus question i would add either days of

00:05:48.880 thunder or far and away to get a sense of why she and tom cruise ended up together and how people

00:05:56.400 felt about her like the foundation of her star was very much like just another like beautiful

00:06:04.400 blockbuster co-star in the early 90s and then i would also add to die for which came out in 1995

00:06:13.260 it's a gus van stand film and she plays like that it's it's a crazy film but also i think was the

00:06:22.860 first film that's suggested to people that like oh she's an actress right and she she's going to

00:06:30.660 surprise us and she does over the course of her career she is surprising again and again and again

00:06:37.400 and again oh yeah well and then it's like she'll do the surprise and everyone's like that's not

00:06:41.100 gonna work and then before you know it it does like she was lucille ball and everyone's like why

00:06:45.260 and then she got an oscar nomination yeah she's she's not effing around an emmy nomination oh 0.99

00:06:51.200 Sorry, Emmy nomination, Emmy nomination.

00:06:53.280 So she can like, she can pull off.

00:06:56.080 No, it was an Oscar nomination.

00:06:58.400 Really?

00:06:58.720 She was Lucille Ball and Aaron Sorkin's biographical drama Being the Ricardos.

00:07:03.420 Wikipedia says it got her her fourth Academy Award nomination for Best Act.

00:07:07.860 That was a movie?

00:07:09.240 This is the thing.

00:07:10.140 Everything's a movie these days.

00:07:11.400 Everything is so muddled.

00:07:13.280 I'm like, was that a movie?

00:07:14.620 Was that a limited series?

00:07:16.280 Was that on Netflix?

00:07:17.780 I do a podcast on video.

00:07:19.360 Everything is blended.

00:07:21.200 It's all blended.

00:07:23.500 So I think we also should, at the beginning,

00:07:27.260 kind of put some of our positionality up front.

00:07:30.380 What is your overall feeling about Nicole Kidman?

00:07:34.160 You know, I was trying to think about her

00:07:36.960 and what she represents in a larger and wider context.

00:07:41.440 And all that I could come up with that helped me

00:07:44.740 treat what she's doing kind of with any modicum of respect 0.93

00:07:48.180 was just to tell myself she's woman nicholas cage nicholas cage is always working to the point where

00:07:56.440 you think he owes somebody money he does owe people money though right he has gambling debt

00:08:01.260 he has gambling debt no and like he overspended all these different like wild acquisitions yeah

00:08:06.960 whereas i think i mean nicole kidman is doing just fine she's doing she's incredibly wealthy

00:08:12.560 Keith Urban also doing just fine like they have a ton of money totally but like in the same way

00:08:17.980 that like nothing Nicolas Cage does no matter how bad it is will make me think less of him as an

00:08:22.820 actor yeah nothing Nicole Kidman does that's horrible will undo the hours will undo the

00:08:30.240 amazing performances like yeah my respect for her never diminishes even though these roles are

00:08:34.720 ridiculous yeah ridiculous yeah and the other thing I just want to say is that we got clusters

00:08:40.660 of questions we got so many questions and they really were all around why does she work like 0.98

00:08:45.820 she has gambling debt um another one and we'll get to this is about her wigs and that is also

00:08:53.280 to do with her her appearance and i think that like we should also declare here that it's really

00:09:01.140 difficult to talk about women and aging in hollywood in a way that feels right like i think

00:09:06.580 most of us feel like oh what other people want to do with their bodies is their business

00:09:11.280 to some extent but at the same time what she has done with her face also affects the way that she

00:09:18.940 acts on screen and it affects what people watching her think they need to do to their faces as they

00:09:26.220 age yes like she is if not a role model a possibility model yes and she expands the

00:09:32.980 overton window of what we think we can do with our faces right and i'm not sure how i feel about

00:09:36.900 that yeah and we'll get to that question too we have a really an interesting way of thinking about

00:09:42.300 that so we're going to jump into the questions the first one comes from elizabeth and is a good

00:09:47.800 way to kind of get at the whole the whole everything about her okay this might be a 0.82

00:09:54.700 overly basic question but i find myself confused by the turn that nicole kidman's career has taken

00:10:01.100 lately. Given her recent roles in that bizarre-looking movie with Zac Efron and also The

00:10:08.400 Perfect Couple, I found myself legitimately surprised when I remembered that she won an

00:10:12.920 Oscar for playing Virginia Woolf in The Hour years ago. Have her career choices always been a little

00:10:19.740 all over the place and I didn't notice? Or does this say something about where Kidman is in her

00:10:25.340 career now or something else entirely about actresses getting older gaining more producing

00:10:31.500 or career power oh there's so many places to go with this i think that we don't know what to do

00:10:38.680 with actors who actually really love to work it's true it's true we like we want these superstar

00:10:46.980 movie actors to feel mysterious and like they only come out of their hole when it's time to

00:10:53.340 get the Oscar nomination yeah and what if Nicole Kim is just like I'm a union employee baby I'm

00:10:59.940 just going to work like I'm SAG I'm working you know yeah I also I also wonder and I wonder this

00:11:07.800 a lot I think something happened during COVID a lot of really big stars yeah stop letting their 0.99

00:11:15.240 publicist and teams run shit and now they run their own shit and you can tell by how unhinged 0.97

00:11:20.360 celebrities instagram accounts have gotten like a few weeks ago i saw sarah paulson post one of 0.99

00:11:25.780 those i do not give meta permission to use ai to take my likeness like one of those bullshit 0.55

00:11:30.840 little things that you post that your grandma posts sarah paulson and other celebrities posted 0.60

00:11:35.920 it which reveals to me that like no one lets their publicist run it anymore and no one lets

00:11:40.480 their team be in charge so it might be a thing where it's like nicole kidman is just saying i'm

00:11:46.100 in charge of my career and it's North Star and I'll do what I want and like there's no one on

00:11:50.520 her team that says pump the brakes so Nicole Kidman is 57 years old and I think she's at this

00:11:58.620 really fascinating point age-wise and you can see this in a lot of her films where she has

00:12:05.800 younger male co-stars and romantic relationships where I think she understands like I can push

00:12:13.060 some buttons here and people still want me to do this because they're fascinated by what happens

00:12:19.200 when you see an older woman with a younger man on screen and so i think she's taking advantage of

00:12:24.360 that interest she also has like incredible access to any role that involves like a rich 1.00

00:12:33.980 white lady being challenged in her power totally right like and that's what the perfect couple 1.00

00:12:41.160 secrets like yes she always has always secrets always secrets yeah and the other thing i would 0.82

00:12:46.880 add is that a lot of younger stars okay there's two options i think you can take as a star in

00:12:53.380 hollywood right as you get to this all this age and we'll talk about this a little bit with like

00:12:57.580 thinking about reese witherspoon who has really diversified like a lot of stars as they age

00:13:02.940 in hollywood they're like okay i gotta start my production company i gotta do that yep like i

00:13:08.840 gotta start a baby line like Jessica Alba yeah and Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard sell diapers

00:13:14.500 and also have this whole like podcast empire right wild to me yeah and I think what Nicole

00:13:20.660 Gidman has done so I'm like I actually just like to work uh I like that better I like that better

00:13:26.340 because I feel like when these celebrities do the like diversification and I want to say Ryan

00:13:30.180 Reynolds is the most egregious of it like the mobile ads owning the soccer team it all feels

00:13:35.520 like a money grab it feels like a money grab especially when they have like a tequila line

00:13:39.800 i'm just like the tequila line i hate it like i'm i love nicole kidman no matter what because 0.92

00:13:45.360 she has no fucking tequila line and i do think like there is a fair criticism that hollywood 0.95

00:13:54.160 does not necessarily make roles for women this age where they can also be like interesting 1.00

00:13:58.060 but i think that's what they clearly do she's getting all of them if reese weathersman wants 0.99

00:14:04.400 those roles she could have them and and then the other thing is that younger stars often step back

00:14:10.880 a little bit when they're having kids and nicole kidman's kids that she has with keith urban are

00:14:18.260 older now so she's not like taking that step back that's why she's working so much she's like

00:14:23.340 there's roles let's do it yeah it's also like in what other industry do we ask someone who's at the

00:14:31.340 top of their field why they work so much let's question the question yeah and we have to

00:14:37.460 historicize this a little bit too because classic hollywood if you were a star on contract you were

00:14:43.440 putting out like three or four movies and sometimes they were good sometimes they're what we remember

00:14:48.820 and sometimes like carrie grant put out so many stinkers katherine hepburn stinkers you can still

00:14:54.880 watch them because their star power is there yeah and that's actually how i feel about a lot of the

00:15:00.060 Nicole Kidman kind of like second tier stuff like I still want to watch her even back in the day like

00:15:04.880 if you go and look at how many albums Aretha Franklin released yes like 40 something she was 0.98

00:15:11.300 just always in the studio and she would sing anybody's song she covered everybody's fucking 0.95

00:15:15.380 song like and it's just like we've gotten out of this mode where people just get to work there's 0.91

00:15:21.620 kind of this like erafication of superstardom like you have to have an era now and Beyonce's

00:15:28.020 in this era and taylor's in that era and this album is like a milestone and a seminal work and

00:15:32.500 it's like what if it's just an album you know yeah just an album part of the question that we

00:15:37.300 haven't attended to yet is has her work always been this varied and weird for lack of a better

00:15:43.880 word and the answer is yes yeah like yeah you look you look back like around the time she was doing

00:15:49.660 the hours she was also doing a bunch of weird stuff like birth um which one was that birth is

00:15:56.640 the one where she gets in the tub with a 10 year old like i'm trying to remember the plot is like

00:16:02.540 she's in love with someone who takes the form of a 10 year old's body and it was very controversial

00:16:08.440 at the time but she was like it's a movie about love um and i say weird like very affectionately

00:16:14.300 as in she's doing movies that are different that are indie that are not a big paycheck she's doing

00:16:20.080 it because she wants to work with various auteurs yeah um and then also doing like big blockbusters

00:16:26.300 because i think that also is fun yeah you gotta do it oh i also feel like you know so much of what

00:16:31.060 she's doing right now is just like rich white lady caught up in a murder plot and also she has

00:16:36.660 secrets some of that's her and just some of that is just like where the industry is moving yeah

00:16:41.800 like yeah a lot of this is just like the white lotus industrial complex yeah and i think a lot

00:16:47.720 of the media that we're consuming right now because there's so much of it so there's so

00:16:50.700 much prestige tv that's just like rich white people behaving badly yeah that's us wanting it

00:16:56.640 and there's a theory or a thesis somewhere in there about our reaction to late stage capitalism

00:17:02.080 and income inequality etc etc etc but it's not all nicole kidman no she didn't create this you

00:17:08.620 know what i'm saying she's just a player in it she like i think she is embodying some of the

00:17:15.780 conflicting ideas about wealth and whiteness and privilege yes like that's in her star image right

00:17:23.420 now yeah and it's and and like emphasis on whiteness like yes these shows by design are not

00:17:31.820 meant to be too diverse because it complicates a lot if it is a racially diverse like cornucopia

00:17:40.960 because part of what you love about these shows 0.89

00:17:44.240 is that you can hate them even more 0.98

00:17:47.100 because they're rich and they're white. 1.00

00:17:49.700 If they were rich and Latino or rich and black 0.98

00:17:54.160 or rich and disabled, you'd be like, 1.00

00:17:57.860 can I hate them this much? 0.97

00:17:59.580 But they're rich and they're pretty and they're white. 1.00

00:18:02.080 Fuck them. 1.00

00:18:02.800 Yeah, it makes the melodrama much more straightforward. 1.00

00:18:06.820 I am thinking about something like Big Little Lies.

00:18:08.760 you have a character of color usually a woman but not always who who is present if only to show 0.94

00:18:15.340 like all of the various microaggressions that these horrible white people like man like towards 0.85

00:18:22.000 zoe kravitz it's like exactly oh no like yeah yeah yeah like we are allowed to hate them more 0.99

00:18:29.620 because these shows are as white as nicole kidman's skin alabaster i would say alabaster 0.78

00:18:38.000 i want to quickly i want to quickly go to like back to 2000 so she 2001 she's in the others

00:18:45.500 which is one of my favorite nicole kidman movies have you ever seen it i don't think i have it is

00:18:51.420 about it's like a ghost story and it's about uh living in the channel islands during world war

00:18:57.120 ii and she thinks her house is haunted it's so creepy i love it i'm gonna watch it so that's

00:19:03.840 from 2001 then she's in the hours right and so many lauds for this movie like incredible prestige

00:19:10.780 wears like the the um prosthesis on her nose which is very famous and then she's also being

00:19:17.600 virginia wolf i actually like it's fine for me yeah i remember when the whole cast went on oprah

00:19:24.580 when they were campaigning such an emotional episode and oprah hammed it the hell up did

00:19:31.220 Wait, did Nicole Kidman wear the nose on Oprah?

00:19:33.820 No, she would not have.

00:19:35.380 I don't know why I want to imagine that.

00:19:38.040 She didn't.

00:19:38.960 But I remember that episode of Oprah being like,

00:19:40.840 this is a big deal.

00:19:42.140 This is a big deal. 0.75

00:19:43.160 It's a classic example of the Oscars awarding pretty people 0.98

00:19:46.440 for pretending to be ugly.

00:19:48.600 Oh, yeah. 0.83

00:19:49.420 Oh, yeah. 0.85

00:19:50.080 They love that.

00:19:51.880 So then after that, she's in Dogville,

00:19:55.500 a Lars von Trier movie,

00:19:56.740 which is a very experimental film.

00:19:59.660 There's no other way to talk about it.

00:20:01.220 The Human Stain with, it's an adaptation of a Philip Roth book with Anthony Hopkins, which like kind of disappeared, but it's an interesting movie.

00:20:09.080 And then she's in Cold Mountain. 0.99

00:20:09.680 Well, she's like almost a little bit black. 1.00

00:20:11.480 Is that one? 1.00

00:20:12.020 Yeah.

00:20:13.180 Someone in that movie is passing and I can't remember who it is.

00:20:19.440 Yeah.

00:20:20.980 Oh, man.

00:20:22.120 And then she's in Cold Mountain, which is like a giant prestige movie that, you know, I really like.

00:20:30.420 I think some people think it is doing too much

00:20:33.240 and that she's doing too much

00:20:34.280 and that Renee Zellweger is certainly doing too much 0.98

00:20:36.780 in that movie, but yeah, so like that's, 0.99

00:20:40.080 and then she's in Birth, the movie

00:20:41.360 where she gets in the bathtub with the 10-year-old,

00:20:44.980 but like that's an example of how varied.

00:20:47.860 Wait, Jude Law was in Cold Mountain?

00:20:50.240 Yes, he's very hot in that.

00:20:51.300 Jude Law was in an American Civil War drama?

00:20:54.540 Jude Law?

00:20:55.800 I have to suspend disbelief. 1.00

00:20:58.060 He's so British. 0.53

00:20:58.660 so there's jude law playing an american soldier and then nicole kidman playing her love interest

00:21:05.100 i mean it just gives you a you know people people often critique her accent that she doesn't do

00:21:10.200 an american accent well and i think the way she does an american accent just signifies this like 0.95

00:21:15.960 somehow like high posh do you know what i mean like american posh oh totally she's also just

00:21:21.380 doing at this point a nicole kidman accent yes like she has her own lane it's it's her voice you

00:21:27.140 know which again similar I think in some ways to like Cary Grant where like Cary Grant's voice was

00:21:33.660 not it was neither here nor there it was neither British nor American necessarily exactly okay all

00:21:39.040 right these next two questions are about the middle of her career the first one comes from

00:21:43.100 Amar and Melody's gonna read it is to die for low-key the best thing Nicole Kidman has done

00:21:49.020 if not what is so I feel like you're not gonna argue for this since you haven't seen to die for

00:21:54.340 I think it's great.

00:21:55.880 What do you think is low-key the best thing she's ever done?

00:22:00.240 Oh, man.

00:22:01.360 I remember being really enthralled with the way she played Alexander Skarsgård's wife in Big Little Lies.

00:22:12.840 And I remember there was this scene where they're going back and forth between violence and sex in their oversized rich person closet. 0.68

00:22:22.520 and I was like damn they're both working yeah they're both working she in the first season of 0.99

00:22:31.220 that show was the best at the second season was mad but she really did well in that first season 0.93

00:22:35.660 I really enjoyed it there was a depth to that performance that was really cool I wrote about

00:22:41.600 her after the episode where I think it's that episode and also she there's like a couple of

00:22:48.960 moments in therapy where she is doing a ton of like quiet like silent face acting and there was

00:22:56.600 this discourse on twitter at that time that was like oh my god can you believe nicole kidman is

00:23:01.000 a good actress that was what yeah i know right that's wild but i think big little lies is one

00:23:09.380 of my favorites it's good i love it's so beautiful it's just like beautiful to watch i love her in

00:23:16.060 moulin rouge okay okay i think she's so sad like this is at the so this the conversation at that

00:23:24.060 time do you remember this she and tom cruise had broken up and yeah it was spoken but unspoken that

00:23:30.780 she there had been like a pregnancy loss around that time um maybe right before they got divorced

00:23:39.440 And so they're part of the conversation was like, she's so sad because Tom Cruise blindsided her and she lost a baby.

00:23:49.140 And like, this is her triumphant return.

00:23:52.340 So I can't think of that movie without also thinking of like those conversations at that time.

00:23:58.740 Yeah. Yeah.

00:23:59.840 So I love that. And I love the others, which we've talked about.

00:24:03.320 I love her. Maybe I just really love Zac Efron and his tighty whiteys in the paperboy. 0.95

00:24:08.480 but I love her in the paper boy that's a fucked up movie that I really like um did you watch their 1.00

00:24:14.240 newest one together I haven't I haven't have you seen it I have it was one of those ones where I'm 0.90

00:24:20.460 like I will have this movie on while I spend two hours looking at houses on Zillow it was a Zillow

00:24:27.680 movie and it worked fine as a Zillow movie yeah um and then I'm trying to think if there's anything

00:24:35.380 else i really like i like her in far and away as well all of those to me are like movies where

00:24:41.280 she's doing something um very different from the other movies and but but i do agree that like with

00:24:48.380 this question ask her that her best role is not the one that she's won the oscar for to my mind

00:24:54.080 agreed agreed i would also argue that like when she gets tv right it's as good or even better than

00:25:01.340 her in movies yeah yeah she's good on tv yeah no she's like she could be a soap star um she has 1.00

00:25:09.360 more charisma i think than a traditional soap star but she could play that role oh totally

00:25:13.780 okay another question this has to do with some of what i referenced about the tom cruise breakup so

00:25:21.060 this comes from allison how did nicole kidman end up with tom cruise in the first place

00:25:27.940 I'm asking as a young millennial who just cannot figure out their dynamics, what did they even talk about?

00:25:34.740 This one's all you because I can't speak to it because it confuses me as well.

00:25:38.360 It confuses me as well.

00:25:39.860 Tom Cruise used to be a normal.

00:25:41.600 This is what people, sort of normal.

00:25:44.780 Like he used to be not Tom Cruise now.

00:25:47.360 He, you know, he's been involved in Scientology for a very long time.

00:25:50.860 But Tom Cruise of like the 80s and early 90s, first of all, I think he was, there was no bigger movie star on earth.

00:25:59.320 Like he was impossible to turn away from.

00:26:02.860 And if you get on like a set with Tom Cruise, she was so young.

00:26:06.840 She's in her early 20s.

00:26:08.520 Yeah.

00:26:09.800 And you're playing a doctor who falls in love with a NASCAR driver, which then becomes the top grossing film of the year.

00:26:18.380 Global sensation.

00:26:19.300 and i'm sure there was like a fair amount of publicity encouragement there and i like don't

00:26:25.100 you think tom cruise i mean we saw like the the really blown up version of this in his courting

00:26:29.240 of katie holmes but like he could be charming i could see him being very charming but in like a

00:26:34.040 way that would kind of make me a little bit nauseous he'd be like here's my candlelit dinner

00:26:39.500 that i made for you on this hill you know what i mean like like he would have the plane do a little

00:26:45.740 smoke sign in the air being like nicole date me like all that he would do that yeah yeah i'm like

00:26:52.160 what did they talk about i think i mean what does anyone talk about when they're 22 i don't know

00:26:56.600 yeah also once you have kids you just talk about kids and they had kids yeah yeah they they adopted

00:27:01.540 two kids yeah um yeah i don't also there are so many marriages where the couples don't talk about

00:27:07.820 anything like or talk to each other or talk to each other yeah yeah no i but i think that that

00:27:15.020 was like it was a young marriage that um it was his second marriage but for her she was very young

00:27:20.860 and it would be easy to be caught up in that romance they really weren't married for that long

00:27:25.440 how long was it like i think they got married in like it was 11 years yeah that's not that's

00:27:31.300 forever in hollywood i mean but ultimately like in the span she's been married to keith urban i

00:27:38.320 think for longer at this point see that one's more confusing to me than her and tom cruise oh

00:27:42.300 No, but they're both Australian.

00:27:43.520 They met at like a fancy Australian people party.

00:27:46.300 And now they're just like, we're Australian together.

00:27:48.400 We're Australian.

00:27:50.400 Wait, did she do...

00:27:51.760 Wait, was she in the movie Australia?

00:27:54.140 Yes.

00:27:55.060 Oh, that one was so bad.

00:27:57.860 Oh, my God.

00:27:58.980 It was very, very bad.

00:28:02.380 And they wanted it to be a hit.

00:28:03.960 They were pushing that thing.

00:28:05.400 And it was just like, no, it's not going to happen.

00:28:05.900 It was a hit.

00:28:06.780 It was a global hit.

00:28:08.680 What?

00:28:09.660 Yes.

00:28:09.980 Because it was a musical that was released on Thanksgiving weekend with Nicole Kidman and Hugh Jackman.

00:28:15.480 And Hugh Jackman.

00:28:16.540 Yeah.

00:28:17.640 Also, think about the Australian audience for a movie entitled Australia with two Australians.

00:28:22.840 They're all going to see it.

00:28:23.840 Directed by an Australian. 0.99

00:28:28.060 Miss Australia or no. 1.00

00:28:32.920 Back to the present.

00:28:34.320 This is a little bit more on the recent roles.

00:28:37.180 Hannah's going to ask us this question. 1.00

00:28:38.540 why is nicole kidman always the actress cast as the character of an older white wealthy woman 1.00

00:28:44.840 with a secret there are so many talented actresses in that age range who could add a different flavor 0.90

00:28:50.680 to that character trope but i feel it's always nicole is it the blonde hair her specific wealth

00:28:56.900 looking beauty what is it by extension is there a specific beauty expression that wealth enables

00:29:03.320 that nicole has why is she so good at looking comfortably rich other than probably being that

00:29:09.960 in real life so what do you think there like i part of it's her cheekbones part of it's how 0.88

00:29:16.460 regiment her body is and has it's always been right and i think that it resembles what 1.00

00:29:21.400 a lot of really wealthy white women um try to how they try to design their bodies i would say 1.00

00:29:30.600 I think these roles work for her because she has rich lady plastic surgery. 1.00

00:29:35.460 Yeah, that too. 1.00

00:29:36.040 She has rich lady face. 1.00

00:29:37.500 And I think that had her face aged the way the rest of our faces did, she wouldn't look rich enough. 1.00

00:29:44.440 Yeah.

00:29:45.160 She looks so wealthy because the face is pulled like that. 1.00

00:29:48.280 Her best friend is Naomi Watts.

00:29:50.500 They were classmates.

00:29:51.760 They've been best friends forever.

00:29:52.760 which is why it's kind of weird that she is she stars in the perfect couple with leave shriver 0.67

00:30:00.300 who is naomi watts's ex-husband yeah but i'm sure i guess it's friendly um we hope naomi watts is

00:30:08.520 now with billy crud up happily married uh i think like naomi watts even has not had the same work 0.75

00:30:18.040 as Nicole Kidman and doesn't she looks different if she were to play this role I think she would 0.99

00:30:24.620 like it would it would feel different oh she would whereas that polish and even in something 0.99

00:30:30.440 like pretty little lies where big little lies big little sorry pretty little liars is the is 1.00

00:30:38.400 the teen mystery show which is also little liars big little lies she has bangs which in some ways 1.00

00:30:46.620 covers the frozen forehead yeah and and makes her more sympathetic does that make sense

00:30:55.960 oh it does well also it's like i think a lot about the way hollywood has fully embraced body

00:31:03.500 modification to the point where they want you to know it's modification like when kim kardashian

00:31:09.440 snatches the waist that much she wants it to look abnormal so you know that she could do it

00:31:14.320 yeah when these rappers especially get the humongous veneers that don't look real

00:31:20.140 the point is they don't look real yeah yeah and there's something nicole kidman does with her face

00:31:25.320 like you see the plastic surgery and it's almost like she wants you to see it it's almost like she

00:31:31.080 wants you to know that like oh yeah this is this is the way that my characters would present

00:31:38.100 themselves and modify themselves IRL yeah I think it's also she's tall she's very tall

00:31:45.280 and that skin something about that skin just says I'm so wealthy the sun can't find me uh-huh like 1.00

00:31:52.140 I'm so rich uh-huh yeah the sun can't find me like this is a woman who always if she goes out 0.99

00:31:58.640 in the sun there's like one of those giant sun hats you know like it's just like flopping all

00:32:04.300 over the place yeah yeah but it's like i think of her body and i think of her face i live in la

00:32:09.100 it's like it is odd to see a very wealthy woman of a certain age who hasn't had work done yeah

00:32:16.640 you know yeah and that allows her to step in as that character with ease oh yeah is there someone 0.95

00:32:26.620 else that you'd like to see play that wealthy white lady that would be interesting 1.00

00:32:31.780 i would want to i keep waiting for like carrie washington's like big second act she's been 1.00

00:32:40.980 doing this thing where she's like involved in politics now and i'm like sure fine but okay 1.00

00:32:45.100 um i want her to do all of the rich white lady stuff but like be the black lady in the cast who 1.00

00:32:50.820 calls out the racial awkwardness like shondaland style like i want shondaland monologues yeah in 1.00

00:32:57.420 these white prestige rich dramas delivered by kerry washington while she's married to the hottest

00:33:01.980 white guy so you want like uh a continuation of scandal that's deep like that's not in a political

00:33:11.220 world yes but they've now gone to vermont and now it's big little lies in vermont and it's her and

00:33:16.940 fits and she's like no one else will speak the truth but i will yeah kerry washington had some

00:33:23.760 invisible babies she's very effective at not um publicizing her pregnancies or her births i yeah

00:33:29.940 i didn't know oh my god like i'm not talking about like they she like fake pregnancy i'm

00:33:34.100 talking about she actually had babies but like she wants it to keep them very private um good for her

00:33:39.580 yeah i'm trying to think if there's anyone else that i would be interested in that like is

00:33:43.780 jennifer lawrence going to age into this particular type of role or is she like too cool girl i don't

00:33:49.740 know i'd expect more i she does this thing where you know that energy when ok cupid was ascendant

00:34:01.160 and like if you were a woman on ok cupid you had to say that you liked the boston red sox 0.86

00:34:06.200 that's jennifer lawrence but how does that age like how how does that know that last movie she

00:34:15.620 that I hated it so much 1.00

00:34:16.820 it was just made for men 1.00

00:34:18.080 what was that movie 1.00

00:34:18.920 where she was just 0.99

00:34:19.560 topless the whole time 1.00

00:34:20.460 it was made for men

00:34:21.620 straight men

00:34:22.380 like Nicole Kidman 1.00

00:34:23.840 makes shit for women 1.00

00:34:24.600 and gay men 1.00

00:34:25.300 Jennifer Lawrence

00:34:26.200 makes content for straight men

00:34:27.300 yeah

00:34:27.940 and like

00:34:28.640 unless that changes 0.65

00:34:29.760 she'll just be doing

00:34:31.000 what she's doing

00:34:31.660 which is like 1.00

00:34:32.280 rom-coms for horny teenagers 0.93

00:34:34.400 which is fine girl 1.00

00:34:36.300 make your money 1.00

00:34:37.080 it's not for me

00:34:38.860 we're gonna talk about hair now

00:34:40.480 so this

00:34:41.000 we're gonna

00:34:41.820 delicate territory

00:34:43.060 but

00:34:43.700 But we got so many questions about this that we have to talk about it.

00:34:47.840 This comes from Haley.

00:34:49.940 Nicole Kimmon is objectively one of the most beautiful women in the world. 1.00

00:34:54.300 And so I need to know why they keep putting her in these ridiculous wigs.

00:34:59.900 And I'm not even necessarily mad about it, but I just, I'm confused.

00:35:04.740 So I'm not a good wig spotter. 0.99

00:35:07.600 But with these, you kind of, it's impossible not to spot her. 0.53

00:35:09.980 I know, but like Julia and Margulies.

00:35:11.580 In the undoing, in the undoing.

00:35:13.700 It was so big.

00:35:14.680 I did not know that Julianna Margulies was wearing a wig in The Good Wife, which is like now one of the most famous, like a very high profile bad wig.

00:35:26.540 Melody even said, like, was there a Nicole Kidman bad wig TikTok that was going around?

00:35:31.300 Like, how does everyone know about this?

00:35:34.400 Or is that why are we getting so many questions about it?

00:35:37.280 And, I mean, one reason why movie stars now wear wigs, especially on television productions, is because it's cheap and it makes consistency between shots very easy.

00:35:48.900 Oh.

00:35:50.620 Because if you're doing hair every day, that's hours to staff that you're paying a lot of money.

00:35:54.320 Yeah, and especially if you have volatile hair in any capacity.

00:35:58.820 Once that humidity hits, once the curls come out.

00:36:01.340 yeah yeah and if you and if they're supposedly like they're shooting on the beach and her 0.62

00:36:07.820 character has hair that looks like at every hour of the day that she has put in giant hot rollers

00:36:14.700 and let them sit like for many hours yeah so that's not going to stay you would have to spend

00:36:20.300 a lot of time doing that and also you would have to shoot in much more i think sequence which

00:36:26.240 oftentimes is much less cost effective and netflix is i get it they they they are cheap

00:36:34.060 yeah i also think that like the best celebrities become cartoon characters and like what i mean by

00:36:41.440 that is that they have certain visual cues that you always expect from them and that as soon as

00:36:45.660 you see it you know it's them yeah and it's talking about nicole kidman red curly hair oh it's her

00:36:51.280 spot her a mile away and it's like become this iconic characteristic you know she's not always

00:36:56.880 a redhead when she's like in real life she's been blonde a lot recently yeah yeah but i do think

00:37:01.920 that like that curly red hair is like part of her iconography and she knows that and so like

00:37:08.260 of course in shows like the undoing but yeah play it up the show's bad anyway play it up

00:37:13.080 okay so one of her first movies which is a crazy movie with um let's see i want to remember the

00:37:20.920 name of it it's like a thriller on a boat with billy zane it's called dead calm uh it's a sam

00:37:28.780 neil she's like married to sam neil and billy zane comes and like he's a castaway and he boards the

00:37:37.700 boat and then like they spend the rest of the movie like trying to fight him off it's really

00:37:41.760 scary uh okay and in that movie and then he's a great villain he's a great villain wow and and 0.96

00:37:49.580 the early like tom cruise era she had like aspirational perm incredible curls like you know 1.00

00:38:00.220 the kind of curls that like like went over to one side like i think of them similar like mariah 0.79

00:38:05.540 carrie had similar curls like this sort of perm you know what i mean yeah i think it's coming back

00:38:10.940 in style i hope so i love that men are getting perms now do you know about this what yeah yeah

00:38:17.560 yeah like teen boys um oh my goodness you know what at least they're grooming praise be

00:38:24.080 uh but so that to me i think it depends on where like how nicole kidman imprinted on you 0.79

00:38:33.400 in terms of like what she looks like because she has had this incredibly straight 1.00

00:38:37.900 hair that maybe is given some like loose beachy curls to give it some body 1.00

00:38:45.000 but the other thing i'll say is that women as they age their hair gets really crazy

00:38:51.200 like their hair really women as they age their hair thins it breaks a lot um like just going

00:39:00.240 through perimenopause and menopause does things to your hair that are not always under your

00:39:05.600 control even if you have a lot of money and so maybe it's partly that too like i you know if i

00:39:11.680 if i were a star i would get so bored with people doing my hair it's hours that you don't get back

00:39:18.940 and it damages your hair i mean there are so many black women stars of note they'll talk about oh 0.99

00:39:25.720 yeah i'm always wearing a wig so i can protect my hair yeah and not have that shit fried and dyed 0.98

00:39:31.780 and heated every day yeah i get it protect your hair protect your hair just put on like think 0.57

00:39:38.500 much because someone can style your wig while you're not wearing your wig exactly you save so

00:39:44.480 much time you save so much time we're pro-wig i say this as a bald man yeah like free yourself

00:39:50.960 yeah okay and then our last question this is super i love this way of talking about this

00:39:58.480 so this comes from elizabeth throughout my life i have been told that i look like nicole kidman

00:40:05.840 I don't think I will get told that anymore, because despite being 13 years younger than her, I look older than her.

00:40:14.020 I haven't done, and don't think I want to do, Botox or anything besides sunscreen and basic skin care like face wash, lotion, etc., even though I could afford to.

00:40:25.460 How do I deal with this?

00:40:27.520 I honestly would love some non-shaming conversation around what it means that older people don't look old anymore.

00:40:34.960 I was looking at pictures of Audrey Hepburn in her 50s and early 60s recently, and it was so comforting.

00:40:42.700 Do I have to change my expectations forever around what older women will look like? 1.00

00:40:48.560 What does it mean that I'm going to get old and they never will? 1.00

00:40:53.520 It means that as long as there have been movie stars and really rich people, they get paid to look better than we do.

00:41:00.840 They get paid to look better than we do, and we don't get to look like them.

00:41:04.960 that's not our job and we're not paid that way i used to in my 20s get compared or people would

00:41:11.180 say you look like this basketball player that basketball player and i was like one kind of

00:41:14.780 racist two i don't play basketball and then i got into my 30s and i stopped getting that

00:41:19.720 and i was just like okay fine like i don't keep my body that way i'm not a basketball player

00:41:27.120 right and so it's like question the question dear listener you're saying how bad should i feel that

00:41:35.240 as i age i will no longer be compared to nicole kidman that's i don't feel bad at all yeah not a

00:41:41.980 lot of us look like nicole kidman and that's okay i do think this question of though like that we

00:41:47.960 don't have examples like very visible examples or prominent examples of our most valuable most

00:41:56.960 prized people who are considered the most beautiful of those people aging yeah the people that are

00:42:03.100 often held up as like oh look at them like they aged gracefully it's like helen mirren and judy

00:42:09.160 dench and both of those women already reached the point of people understanding them as beautiful as

00:42:17.300 they are before our current moment of much more aggressive plastic surgery yeah and i do think

00:42:27.700 it's worth thinking about like what it means that 50 years ago the most one of the most beautiful

00:42:36.500 women in the world audrey hepburn was very visibly aging right well and then like you compare it now

00:42:43.880 to someone like emma watson who is very young and perfect skin she's she's she pushes anti-wrinkle

00:42:51.100 products she pushes anti-aging products at like she's 34 right now she's been doing this since

00:42:56.240 before then i mean this is connected to the sephora kids who are already thinking about

00:43:01.520 fine lines and wrinkles in their teenage years the pressure's higher the pressure's higher you're

00:43:06.200 right yeah and like just this idea that like you could always you should always be maintaining

00:43:11.980 but that at some point like there's going to be like the the stars stay the same age and you keep

00:43:19.040 getting older but i don't know that there's also the fact that like there's always a new crop of

00:43:24.700 stars who are our new ideals of beauty and our new ideals of body and that also makes me feel

00:43:32.720 like oh i'm getting older i think the the more interesting question is how do we each individually

00:43:37.500 come to terms with the fact that we are that we do age and our bodies die yeah well and how do we

00:43:44.800 how do we accept the fact that like part of the reason that those really rich and famous people

00:43:53.300 look the way they do is because they sacrifice things that for instance i don't want to sacrifice

00:43:58.080 right every famous man now has an incredible eight pack and humongous arms and you know what 0.98

00:44:06.080 they work out four hours a day and only eat chicken and broccoli i don't want to fucking do 0.51

00:44:09.780 that they don't like fish that has been cooked in like pam exactly yeah and so it's like i want to 0.84

00:44:17.520 be healthy but like i've made peace with the fact that i'll never have abs because i know that like

00:44:24.100 in actuality abs like that aren't a natural state of being yeah it's not natural so i have to remind

00:44:31.480 myself that like the extreme versions of beauty that celebrities present to us is in fact not

00:44:37.360 natural even though they wear it so organically it's not natural yeah your body aging naturally

00:44:44.060 that is natural that is actually the norm you know we have to remind ourselves of that no and

00:44:48.800 i think there's a way that we can talk about those choices that stars have made and that other people

00:44:53.780 in our lives who aren't stars have made that doesn't say oh my gosh they're so gross like 0.64

00:44:59.600 then that's often women is like oh they're a monster like it's a grotesquerie in some way 1.00

00:45:05.220 and be like that's a decision that they made they're also just like looking for job security 0.55

00:45:10.060 it's part of the job requirement you know like they have to look really pretty so i like i like

00:45:15.680 i look at nicole kidman and i'm like who and what told her that she couldn't have wrinkles on her

00:45:21.460 forehead to be a beautiful successful actress and i think too about the sacrifice that she's made

00:45:27.940 like you know acting is clearly so important to her and she has made sacrifices in her instrument

00:45:36.260 right her face is her instrument yeah and it's dexterity it's range in order to look a certain

00:45:44.000 way in a publicity still oh yeah i'm also convinced that like a lot like i'm convinced

00:45:49.440 that so many celebrities male and female are always just a little bit hungry and let me tell

00:45:55.220 you one thing i never want to be hungry i eat all i'm nibbling all the time i'm eating all the time

00:46:01.520 and then i will keep my little beer gut because you know what i like food and i like beer yeah

00:46:07.100 and like you just gotta taylor swift talks about this a little bit in her documentary americana and

00:46:12.340 like how being around models all the time in some ways she internalized this idea that like okay

00:46:18.320 if i want to look like that with my frame like just being hungry a little hungry all the time

00:46:24.620 or actually teaching your body to ignore its hunger cues, right?

00:46:29.960 Oh, my God.

00:46:30.620 That's rough.

00:46:31.760 That that's what you have to do in order to be successful.

00:46:34.280 And now she's like, oh, I like to eat and I like to be strong

00:46:37.820 and I can do this incredible feat of athleticism in my shows, right?

00:46:41.460 Totally.

00:46:42.240 And my thing now is like I like to always be a little bit full.

00:46:45.100 That's what I want.

00:46:46.220 I want to always be a little bit full.

00:46:48.780 You know, to me there's no better feeling than like a natural hunger cue arriving

00:46:54.180 and then satiating it yeah buddy i'm hungry and i listened to my body and now i'm full

00:47:01.600 oh yeah i have two fruit bowls on my kitchen counter and i don't believe in having fruit

00:47:06.800 in them because that means fruit flies because i never eat them in enough time but for a very

00:47:11.200 long time i had both fruit bowls just full of individually packaged rice krispie treats

00:47:15.980 and do you know what feels good when you're just like i'm hungry we're not hungry enough

00:47:20.360 a rice crispy treat so good and when i'm feeling frisky i'll spread some nutella on the rice

00:47:27.740 crispy treat it's amazing there it is a perfect food sorry this is gonna sound counterfactual

00:47:35.320 but i ran the chicago marathon a little bit ago and congrats they had rice crispy treats at the

00:47:41.700 end yeah perfect food that was like this there's i'm i've never been happier in my entire life

00:47:47.860 uh what role would you like to see nicole kidman in what type of role moving forward i want to see

00:47:57.560 her 0.99

00:47:58.180 do a soap opera just like go full soap like daytime soap or like i want her in 1.00

00:48:08.780 a white version of like Empire 1.00

00:48:13.720 where she's Taraji P. Henson.

00:48:18.880 And it's like a country music family.

00:48:21.440 Oh, oh, like in Nashville. 0.96

00:48:24.280 She would be like the Connie Britton role in Nashville. 0.56

00:48:27.100 But as crazy as Taraji's character in Empire.

00:48:29.960 Yeah.

00:48:30.760 What if she was just Taraji in Empire

00:48:32.660 but the rest of the show was the same?

00:48:35.860 I would love that so much.

00:48:37.780 I would love that so much 1.00

00:48:40.160 Just like this incredibly tall white lady 1.00

00:48:42.700 With what's his face 0.99

00:48:48.660 What's that man's name

00:48:49.700 What is his name

00:48:51.120 Terrence Howard

00:48:52.080 He's a little shorter 0.99

00:48:55.720 So she would just tower over him

00:48:57.980 Tower over him

00:48:59.120 I want to see that

00:49:00.380 I want to see that so badly

00:49:01.720 I would like to see her do 0.98

00:49:04.960 Like a Kelly Reichardt movie 1.00

00:49:06.600 like a very understated yeah like some of those roles that michelle williams takes sometimes

00:49:12.420 where it's just like oh it's me in my dog at a hot springs in oregon and nothing really happens

00:49:18.800 would allow her to give her like a little bit of um that just some face acting time um okay

00:49:26.000 okay yeah oh she's tied to slow cinema okay okay what's her biggest movies uh uh old joy 0.89

00:49:34.900 oh showing up 1.00

00:49:36.360 that trailer annoyed me

00:49:37.760 because I was like

00:49:38.240 what happens in this movie

00:49:39.500 nothing it seems

00:49:40.520 nothing happens

00:49:41.500 in these movies

00:49:42.240 there's also like

00:49:44.440 First Cow

00:49:46.620 did you see that

00:49:47.540 Wendy and Lucy 0.99

00:49:48.320 Certain Women 1.00

00:49:49.320 Meeks Cut Off 1.00

00:49:50.600 is another 0.55

00:49:51.180 but yeah

00:49:52.020 she's like very 0.95

00:49:53.060 very slow

00:49:54.240 and so I think

00:49:55.200 like a movie

00:49:55.780 that's just

00:49:56.460 Nicole Kidman 1.00

00:49:57.140 basically 1.00

00:49:57.680 that would be

00:49:58.960 interesting to me

00:50:00.040 yeah

00:50:00.980 and then

00:50:02.520 what else would I put

00:50:03.420 I was gonna say

00:50:04.180 like i keep coming up with ideas and i'm like oh no she already did that she's done so much

00:50:08.460 she has done so much but another like a kind of like a screwball comedy would be funny like her

00:50:13.660 and george clooney maybe oh yeah or even her like in something resembling oceans 11 oceans 12 oh

00:50:22.340 yeah oceans like that like she's the mastermind of the criminal syndicate or she could be like

00:50:28.600 the matt damon who's kind of weird but like really good at locks yeah like that sort of thing like

00:50:33.940 i want her to like lean into like supporting character weirdness that would be i would like

00:50:39.580 that as well i also what has she done with steven soderbergh i feel like they could make magic

00:50:43.700 yeah i mean he he loves genre films too so like they could figure out like okay whether it's a

00:50:49.640 heist or like some sort of like a screwball he can do screwballs pretty well too like something

00:50:57.040 like that that would be really interesting yeah sam okay nicole listen to us we got you listen

00:51:03.880 to us i don't know wait she's not gonna take our advice because she already has the next 10 years 0.57

00:51:07.240 of her career already option it's all it's all there it's all there it's all there this has been

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00:53:18.860 I had to look up

00:53:30.800 far and away because

00:53:31.760 I thought it was the

00:53:34.260 I thought it was the movie

00:53:36.880 about geese

00:53:37.700 what's the movie about geese

00:53:40.460 like the documentary no about the hold on it was like a 90s movie about geese fly away home oh my 0.98

00:53:50.500 god no similar to fuck what is it fire and away far and away no fire away home no potato potato 0.99

Culture Study Podcast - November 20, 2024

Nicole Kidman's Resting Rich Face

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