For The Wild - February 26, 2020


InTheField: NUSKMATA (Jacinda Mack) on the Gold Rush That Never Ended ⧸160

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00:00:30.000 Welcome to For the Wild podcast, In the Field edition. I'm Ayanna Young.
00:00:36.020 In the Field is a bioregional, place-based storytelling series inspired by my journeys
00:00:42.080 through the temperate rainforests of Cascadia.
00:01:00.000 I feed my people just like my mother
00:01:07.000 Feed my people
00:01:08.920 In this week's episode, we turn north to Sekwepem Territory, around Tehuil,
00:01:15.620 so-called Williams Lake in south-central British Columbia, Canada.
00:01:20.360 Nestled within the Caribou Mountains and the Fraser River watershed,
00:01:24.220 this area is known as one of the birthing waters for salmon.
00:01:30.000 I know so beautiful here it's like the natural village right yeah it's not like a monocrop
00:01:41.240 tree farm plantation this is the juniper yeah got two kinds so we've got this prickly ones
00:01:50.220 low bush juniper and these are so awesome you just like grab a whole handful
00:01:56.460 pull them right off. They're so gentle. Yeah. They're easy. Isn't that amazing? It's just
00:02:01.220 hanging. The other voice you hear in this recording is my dear friend, Nuskumata Jacinda
00:02:08.700 Mack of the Sequepam and Newhulk Indigenous Peoples of present-day British Columbia.
00:02:14.900 My mother's line, my matrilineal homeland is in the Sequepam territory, Sequepam-Uluch.
00:02:20.620 And the most, I guess, recognizable place close to there is Williams Lake. So this is kind of
00:02:25.620 south-central British Columbia.
00:02:28.120 You know, mostly pine forests, lots of lakes,
00:02:30.360 the Fraser River runs central through there.
00:02:32.800 So, of course, we have names for all of these places
00:02:34.820 in our own language.
00:02:36.060 There's lots of different plants and medicines
00:02:37.720 that we still continue to harvest.
00:02:40.120 For many years, Nuskumata has worked with Indigenous communities
00:02:44.160 as an active organizer, researcher,
00:02:47.540 and advocate on environmental protection issues,
00:02:50.040 and continues to consult on mining and Indigenous rights
00:02:53.380 and title in Canada today.
00:02:55.620 At the time of this interview, Nuskumata was leading First Nations Women Advocating Responsible Mining, an organization monitoring proposed and existing mining operations in B.C.
00:03:08.400 It was 2018, four years after one of the most devastating mining disasters in world history struck her territory.
00:03:16.960 In 2014, of course, was the Mount Polymine disaster, where 26 billion litres of mine waste was released into the environment, including into the headwaters of the salmon of the Fraser River watershed.
00:03:28.200 A lot of the work that I've been doing over the last few years has been focused on holding the mining industry to account, calling out Canada and the industry to clean up their practices and to enforce their own laws and, you know, really focus more on community health and protection and prevention in a lot of this.
00:03:45.220 So the area where the disaster took place is a place that we call Yuchnis and Chamekwa, and that's the birthing water of the salmon. It's an interior rainforest in the mountains of the Caribou Mountains, and it's this really special, sacred place. And it's really been a difficult task for us to know that this is going to be part of the landscape forever, and this is part of our children's inheritance. And it's this work for future generations that we do collectively that really brings us together.
00:04:12.300 The 26-billion-liter spill of the toxic waste of copper and gold mining sparked a surge of activism among Nuskumata's community and environmentalists across BC, who have long fought for reforms and strengthened protections within the mining industry.
00:04:30.660 Their cries for justice, however, have not been heard. It's been six years, and Imperial Metals Mining Corporation has yet to pay a single cent in fines or charges.
00:04:43.060 Shortly after the spill, the BC government allowed the mine to resume full operations.
00:04:49.460 Not only this, but Imperial Metals was issued a permit to discharge almost 60,000 cubic meters per day of tailings effluent directly into Quaynell Lake.
00:05:01.440 Taxpayers have shouldered $40 million to subsidize cleanup costs.
00:05:06.160 Meanwhile, heavy metals live on in the bodies of the creatures, the community, and the waters.
00:05:12.300 who continue to carry this toxic burden.
00:05:17.720 We begin here, the front lines of a sacrifice zone,
00:05:22.460 to shed light on the mining industry's ruthless exploitation of communities and ecosystems,
00:05:28.380 and the BC government's green light to do so.
00:05:31.820 And as we will find out, what has happened to Mount Polly is not an exception.
00:05:37.300 It is the lawful rule in a region where there is little to no accountability
00:05:41.440 for the theft of land and lives.
00:06:11.440 There definitely needs to be a shift in how the decision-making process happens.
00:06:34.280 Right now, there's only a permitting, which basically means an allowance for mining to take place.
00:06:39.420 there's been a lot of talk by Canada and British Columbia around upholding the United Nations
00:06:45.140 Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and what we've seen is more just cherry-picking
00:06:50.380 projects to make it look like they're upholding that whereas you know there are so many different
00:06:55.820 battles that are happening across the country and in British Columbia to to protect sacred places
00:07:02.040 to protect clean water and this is for everybody that's not just for Indigenous people we all
00:07:06.000 benefit from this work. And it's insane that we have to fight the government to protect clean
00:07:10.720 water. It's insane that corporations call the shots around Indigenous rights and title by
00:07:16.380 pressuring governments, all of the closed door meetings that happen that people don't even know
00:07:20.660 about how that impacts the future of everybody. There's a lot that can be done. And a lot of it
00:07:26.460 comes down to, you know, local decision making, it comes down to upholding human rights, it comes 0.95
00:07:31.620 down to upholding Indigenous rights and title to make a radical shift away from the way things are,
00:07:37.460 which is so outdated. You know, mining laws in British Columbia are largely from the 1850s and
00:07:42.340 60s, which is a completely different world of mining. There have been so many reports and
00:07:47.140 studies and feedback, and all of this has given direction on how this industry should be shaped,
00:07:53.640 but it has to be put into action. To understand today's mining laws in BC,
00:07:59.120 we need to turn back the clock to the mid-19th century gold rush.
00:08:04.380 At this time, early colonial legislation created a free-entry mining system
00:08:09.400 for the thousands of prospectors traveling west.
00:08:13.540 This allowed any person, 16 years of age or over, to obtain a free miner certificate,
00:08:19.980 giving the holder the right to freely enter onto and stake a claim essentially anywhere,
00:08:24.980 including private property and indigenous territory.
00:08:29.120 Once a claim was staked, the holder obtained exclusive right to conduct mineral exploration, begin development, and collect the profits.
00:08:38.760 It's shocking that apart from minor regulatory and permitting changes, this system largely remains the same nearly 170 years later.
00:08:48.360 Though instead of picks and pans, today's mining companies wield a toolbox of hydraulic shovels and excavators nearly as tall as a football field is long.
00:08:59.000 Notably, to acquire a mineral claim back then, free miners had to visit their proposed site and erect a physical claim post.
00:09:07.240 Today, it's even less onerous.
00:09:10.140 A prospector can simply go online and secure access to the subsurface rights in most parts of the province with a click of a button and a credit card.
00:09:20.040 This and BC's tax subsidies help explain why the province is home
00:09:24.380 to more exploration mining companies than anywhere else on Earth.
00:09:29.620 Peel back the layers of Canada's green veneer to find that 1,300 mining corporations,
00:09:35.600 75% of all mining companies in the world, are headquartered in Canada.
00:09:41.220 People don't see it, and it's out of sight, out of mind.
00:09:43.860 But they're getting bigger and bigger because the ore concentrations
00:09:47.720 are getting smaller and smaller so you have to have a bigger mine to make money and this lasts
00:09:54.160 for thousands of years there's mines that are still polluting and creating waste acid rock
00:09:59.600 drainage from the roman times that's 2000 years ago so it just never goes away and when you think
00:10:05.700 about how much that compounds in the ecosystem then you kind of start to get an idea of the scale
00:10:11.840 of one of these one of these mines and there are thousands of mines and many of them are abandoned
00:10:16.680 because of the poor laws surrounding protection everybody assumes that their health and safety
00:10:22.440 laws that are being enforced when they're not so it just keeps going and going and then when you
00:10:27.180 add to that the complexities of the social and cultural and health impacts that aren't necessarily
00:10:33.280 directly tied to these mines you start to get an idea of the giant that this industry is
00:10:38.840 mining is it feels like this secret untold story it's the biggest story you never heard it's the
00:10:48.260 biggest story you never heard it so is and I I can just say like I came up to this part of the world
00:10:53.720 because I was mortified by old growth logging once I started walking down that logging road
00:11:00.560 the metaphorical logging road and then I started to see logging is bupkis logging is pennies logging
00:11:08.200 is to make accessible for the mines yeah logging's just the brushing before the drills come in
00:11:13.980 it's just clearing a road so you're like well let's make some money off of that so that we
00:11:18.620 can get to the real money and you know you're talking about these nuclear facilities mine
00:11:22.800 sites are the same like people think that you know once the mine's closed and reclaimed that
00:11:27.820 everything's okay and it's like no these sites like mount pauline mine water isn't even being
00:11:33.060 treated now and it needs to be treated forever forever who's going to take care of that imperial
00:11:40.720 metal shares have dropped from over 11 a share to like 60 cents because of the disaster if you have
00:11:48.000 a disaster your whole company is going to go under it's such a predatory model the impacts are
00:11:53.280 forever you need perpetual water treatment with nobody like who's going to be responsible for
00:11:56.960 that the people who live there are the ones who are going to bear the cost which is usually cancer
00:12:01.760 social breakdown folks who are trying to sell their properties after the disaster couldn't
00:12:06.500 get any nobody wants to live in a contamination zone right so you have all of these other ripple
00:12:12.120 effects that aren't gauged in an environmental assessment or a corporate model because they're
00:12:16.840 just completely discounted and the money you know they don't even have to put money up beforehand
00:12:21.580 no it's like oh we'll take care of it if something happens trust us if you connected mining up with
00:12:26.660 all of the other industries and how they're connected the first way that they're all
00:12:30.280 connectors it's all part of this extractive colonial system based on growth you have mines
00:12:35.340 that provide all of the raw materials to run these other industries for creating and building heavy
00:12:41.360 equipment right to do other big extractive processes mining depends on other extractive
00:12:46.660 industries to operate like hydroelectric dams to run their big super gigantic shovels you know
00:12:52.800 that are as big as a building to put them into these gigantic 220 ton dump trucks and you think
00:12:58.520 of a five ton truck and then think of a 220 ton truck so everything's super scale you've got these
00:13:04.260 gigantic rubber tires the rubber comes from you know tropical rainforest the amount of diesel that
00:13:09.140 goes through in a day on one mine site so you've got fracking and you've got pipelines that's a
00:13:14.300 connection with pipelines you've got them in the headwaters so then you're also adding to the
00:13:19.840 the threat and the sickness that fish farms are also putting in the water on salmon and so all
00:13:26.060 of these things are intertwined into this super extractive industrial crazy brain gold fever you
00:13:32.860 know mining is at all costs and underwrites almost every other law in british columbia especially
00:13:38.480 because it was the reason that british columbia was colonized was because of the gold rush
00:13:42.400 british columbia was say that again british columbia was founded because of the gold rush
00:13:47.340 the gold rush brought in the people it brought in the road building it brought in the infrastructure
00:13:53.400 it brought in you have the miners you have the saloons there were so much organized crime that
00:13:59.840 was brought in that became the basis for Canadian government in British Columbia so this relationship
00:14:06.020 this colonial relationship with mining goes back to the very foundation of the colonization of our
00:14:11.480 lands introduced smallpox to devastate the complex trade networks of the indigenous people because
00:14:17.800 traders were coming in through indigenous territories and having to pay tariffs because
00:14:21.720 of the Indigenous law, and it's documented by academics and others using government laws
00:14:27.680 that smallpox was deliberately introduced and that this genocide was an act of biological
00:14:33.500 warfare against Indigenous people, thinking that it would kill all of us, to eradicate
00:14:39.180 this Indian problem from the land. 0.87
00:14:41.420 But all it did is it took all the strongest people and became the new bloodlines for what 0.53
00:14:45.460 is now rising up in these Indigenous renaissance, who these young people who are out there that
00:14:50.800 haven't gone to residential schools haven't been scooped up or relearning their languages or
00:14:54.520 reconnecting with the land and knowing that the land is still there our land is still here the
00:14:58.880 land hasn't gone away and what is in the imagination the colonial mindset is that
00:15:03.580 indigenous people have been displaced from our lands and there were so many laws to keep us off
00:15:07.760 of our lands to break that connection the residential schools were to you know kill the
00:15:12.780 indian save the man i think like within our very genetic code it's just in us our bodies are made
00:15:19.180 of this land that's where we're receiving our connection to this land and you know for people
00:15:24.340 who have never felt that connection or have never had a spiritual connection to the place simply
00:15:29.180 can understand that and they have no uh idea of who they are or where they are this is the system
00:15:36.140 that we're having to deal with i'm speaking english the other languages that i know before
00:15:40.460 english is french spanish and portuguese and saying i just need to learn dutch and i'll have
00:15:44.560 all of the five biggest colonizing languages on the world covered but I still can't speak fluently
00:15:49.700 my own languages but I'm learning and so the more and more I learn out of my language the more
00:15:54.740 beautiful it's revealed to me the beauty of this world and the power and so the more that I learn
00:15:59.320 my language the more I'm connected to the land that I'm from so it's all these different fronts
00:16:03.600 of what's going on and trying to navigate through it while trying to decolonize my own life and heal
00:16:09.000 my own life because I'm still dealing with the impacts of the colonization that happens around
00:16:14.980 me. My mother, my grandmother, my great-grandmother all went to residential school. We're still
00:16:19.580 dealing with that in our families. Our communities are still dealing with that and trying to heal
00:16:23.360 from that, but we're aware of it now. We've named it.
00:16:39.000 Voices of all who've traveled this road
00:16:52.220 Echoed from a mineshaft in the night
00:16:57.720 White lines speak of deep underneath
00:17:06.580 Where the veins of a river run dry
00:17:12.520 Singing
00:17:15.120 One aspect I've savored most from the journey of recording in the field
00:17:21.520 has been to share traditional food with people from their homelands.
00:17:25.900 Whether harvesting berries with Wanda
00:17:27.660 or filleting a salmon with Dune on the banks of the copper,
00:17:31.780 each taste has been a conduit for tender, joyful connections
00:17:35.680 that contain the marrow of deep traditions and foodways.
00:17:40.160 These moments have also given me the opportunity to get into some,
00:17:44.840 let's say, passionate kitchen table chats over a very large cup of coffee.
00:17:50.840 We've been rumbling, but I want to go back to the gold rush mentality
00:17:57.240 because most people, they've heard about the gold rush.
00:18:02.240 They have some romantic idea.
00:18:04.500 there's so many places i've seen gold rush museum gold rush look at the cute little town
00:18:09.080 yeah like old sacramento oh old sacramento like the sierras the sierra foothills it's all this
00:18:15.340 really cute scene and it's sold as a tourist attraction yeah yeah it's this totally skewed
00:18:22.540 revisionist history the insta wealth the american dream it's that gold fever and the gold fever is
00:18:30.260 the sickness actually i was writing something down the other night i was flowing i know i was
00:18:34.640 late i was like way too tired and i was thinking about how i oh i started putting this uh presentation
00:18:42.440 together and it was about how gold fever imagining a future wikipedia entry for gold fever um in the
00:18:49.740 future that it becomes known as the human extinction virus gold fever that insatiable
00:18:56.020 agree um that that's what gold fever really truly is and that gold has been responsible for you know
00:19:03.480 more war and destruction in the history of human existence than anything else look at the
00:19:10.640 connections between organized religion and the pursuit of gold and the military might that these
00:19:16.560 like the catholic church the crusades that the rococo period after you know the discovery you
00:19:22.540 so-called discoveries of north and south america all of the gold and silver that came out of
00:19:27.420 south america and the indigenous people who are sacrificed for it 0.94
00:19:30.940 you know how to hit blood diamonds it's like dirty gold dirty gold dirty gold it's all tainted
00:19:37.340 i think i think um people are really unaware that it's still happening when you think oh
00:19:43.420 well what does gold mining look like in 2018 yeah a huge huge huge machine that's one thing
00:19:50.620 what it looks like looks like you know ridiculously large mega oh yeah super scale super
00:19:58.900 super scale extraction and people who've never been on a mine site but they've seen lots of
00:20:03.260 pictures of you know placer mining historic placer mining so people really have no idea of
00:20:10.660 the scale they have no idea that most of it is waste management it's just a big waste site
00:20:15.940 you know decapitating mountains and and it's and the the waste sites these companies can
00:20:24.060 bankrupt once they've extracted that's like oh now we're gonna walk away from cleaning up the 0.99
00:20:29.120 waste okay you have toxic bullshit in a open pit of plastic that doesn't last forever it rains 0.97
00:20:38.020 yeah weather happens erosion erosion they're not accounting for climate change in any of their 0.99
00:20:43.700 plants and now they're wanting to go into deglaciated areas to mine and you know what
00:20:49.540 was so frustrating is i've gone around to so many people well why don't salmon come back
00:20:53.220 and scientists we don't know we don't yeah we don't know yeah we don't what do we okay we know
00:20:59.700 mining we know ocean acidification yeah we know oil spills climate change glacial melt we it's
00:21:06.920 like we agricultural and human waste runoff how much data do we have to collect that's yeah
00:21:13.380 that's totally the other piece is just like death by studying like it's like well we'll get another
00:21:19.800 study it's like you don't need another study we don't need another study oh my god that just
00:21:25.400 drives me crazy because i'm just like you know what your answer is we had all kinds of traditional
00:21:31.660 youth studies and you know all of the interviews around salmon just to document it wasn't that
00:21:37.260 people didn't know that it was just that it needed to be documented in this western colonial whatever
00:21:41.520 right and so people were like we need data we need scientifically proven whatever and it's like
00:21:48.620 do you really or do you already know what the answer is but you're just afraid to actually
00:21:52.940 take a position on it yeah we miss getting baseline data a long time ago so it's okay fine
00:22:00.040 let's get this let's get baseline data but we know already there are multiple reasons why the salmon
00:22:07.700 aren't coming back yes and we're going to wait until we can show a proven decline from this
00:22:12.980 why are we not coming out with precautionary approach to make sure that we're doing no harm
00:22:17.300 first of all and then figure out what the impacts are drives me bonkers people don't want to be the
00:22:22.820 bad guy and they don't want to believe that what they're doing or the industry or whatever's putting
00:22:26.660 food on their table is harm anybody because i think people generally want the same things in
00:22:32.020 life who want to be safe and secure and be able to provide for their families and when you put
00:22:39.020 a lot of guilt on the table for destroying the watershed and our way of life it becomes very
00:22:44.640 very defensive and that's the fragility piece that comes in from having such privilege forever
00:22:49.060 you know how much that hurts my feelings it's like do you know how much death and you are
00:22:55.120 murdering entire ecosystems like the whole thing is in collapse like you're saying right and it's
00:23:00.440 It's just like coming to terms with that reality is just too much, I think, for some people.
00:23:06.220 And they just don't want to believe that they're part of the problem because they can say, well, we really believe in this science.
00:23:14.640 We believe in the leadership that this company would never do that.
00:23:17.760 They're good people.
00:23:19.160 It's not the people.
00:23:20.320 It's not the individual workers.
00:23:21.500 It's just the whole systemic piece that is just completely messed up.
00:23:26.200 I've thought back on this conversation many times.
00:23:29.220 meditating on the thorny question of our individual responsibility and how we navigate
00:23:35.140 and make choices within the lethal anthropocentric logic of this system. At times I imagine the beast
00:23:42.400 of resource extraction as a swirling vortex, a spiraling thrashing gyre so insurmountably large
00:23:50.080 that it might swallow the earth hole. And yet I still want to ask what would free us to be
00:23:58.000 and act within the truth of this urgent time to be unmoving in our politic even in the eye of the
00:24:04.860 storm a small piece of this for me at least has been to invite the hard to hear truths into my
00:24:11.580 head and heart so that they begin to move and make home in my being these places are the last
00:24:19.080 living libraries on earth where i live it's a miracle to see a salmon and i live on one of the
00:24:26.580 most the most promising river in all of california for coho where i live used to have salmon so thick
00:24:33.740 you could walk across in their back huge salmon that are the size of men holding them up okay
00:24:39.160 that wasn't that long ago there's less than four percent of all old growth redwoods left
00:24:43.900 there hardly are any salmon i mean we know this extinction crisis we know this but to see it
00:24:49.340 and to see the insanity and to be with dune in the copper river delta he said he hardly caught
00:24:55.200 any silvers and the kings didn't come back. And to hear Ernestine talk about the abundance of
00:25:02.000 Southeast Alaska, you know, because she's from Southeast and to see how that abundance is
00:25:06.760 literally being choked. What I saw, one of the things that I noticed when I went to Alaska was
00:25:11.760 that I feel like where they are now, they're just starting to feel the pinch of the impacts
00:25:18.320 from you know where they are is where we were here 30 years ago so i i tell them like you have
00:25:25.840 you have a buffer because you're so far north but you're not you're not yet but it's still
00:25:32.040 you know unless you make some radical changes or just halt things put things on pause for now
00:25:38.980 and that 30 years isn't going to take you 30 years after 30 years is going to take you probably five
00:25:43.740 years oh yeah the way things are going with the extreme fluctuations in the weather and
00:25:48.520 the glaciers i give them 10 years and also the drought like people go oh california is the
00:25:54.640 wildfire state with the drought okay no no no the fires through bc there's drought in the
00:26:02.500 north most rainforest in alaska the creeks are drying up the salmon can't get up the creeks
00:26:08.360 because there is no water. This is not compartmentalized to one southern state. Wake up.
00:26:14.560 Despite the continued pollution of the Fraser River watershed,
00:26:37.900 it still supports more salmon runs than any other system left on the planet.
00:26:43.160 Stretching 1,375 kilometers southwest from a dripping spring in the Rocky Mountains to the Pacific Ocean,
00:26:51.580 this river sustains seven species of salmon, rainbow trout, giant sturgeon, and more than 300 species of migratory and resident birds.
00:27:01.160 The dynamic, bountiful river basin has sustained First Nations community for thousands of years.
00:27:08.320 Some of its traditional names include Latako in the Dakhel language
00:27:13.200 and Stalo in the Halk Omelem language.
00:27:17.620 When I visited Nusk Mata's home, we walked down to a particular spot along the river.
00:27:23.740 Surrounded by native edible plants, this area, now frequented by tourists,
00:27:29.420 had once been an ancient fishing ground for her people.
00:27:32.200 Yeah, the river is the thing that connects us all here, you know, within this whole watershed, this bioregion of all the tributaries, all of the salmon, all of the interconnected species, you know.
00:27:48.040 I think that's probably why I feel so grounded in my work to come here, because it's back to that center for me.
00:27:54.380 I followed Nuskumata further out onto the rocks where her family used to catch salmon from the crystalline, free-flowing waters.
00:28:03.040 As I sat there, the water braiding with the rocks, Nuskumata's stories reminded me that we are all vitally connected by the intricate lattice of water's chosen path.
00:28:15.460 Downstream, people in Vancouver dine on fresh seafood, watching ships move across the wide mouth of the Fraser towards the ocean.
00:28:23.300 While upstream, a community wrestles with the risk of drinking, bathing, and eating from contaminated waters.
00:28:30.180 And this is something that we had said 20 years ago here.
00:28:33.400 You know, like when I was a teenager, late 80s, early 90s, we were told then, don't eat the eggs from the salmon that you catch.
00:28:41.360 This was, you know, over 20 years ago.
00:28:43.800 And we were like, why?
00:28:44.680 And I said because of the mercury contamination, it settles in the eggs.
00:28:49.080 okay so we can't eat the eggs but these are the eggs that are going to become the salmon
00:28:54.500 so are we should we even be eating the salmon if we can't be eating the eggs and so you think of
00:29:01.640 the amount of contamination and the bioaccumulation right in not only in the salmon did everything you
00:29:07.080 know the salmon died it goes back to the earth what is the toxic load of the land nothing is
00:29:12.500 assessed in an cumulative way so you have on the Fraser River watershed you have mines dumping
00:29:17.600 waste, you have pulp mills dumping waste, you have partially treated sewage that's dumped into the
00:29:23.380 river, all the agricultural fertilizer runoff, and then you have all the runoff within the larger
00:29:28.520 watershed from overlogging and clear cuts, which contributes to warmer waters, which is harder
00:29:34.000 on salmon. The Fraser River is just like one gigantic sewage pipe to the ocean. And how is
00:29:40.680 that impacting other species? Like somebody had posted something online yesterday of all of these
00:29:46.880 birds that just dropped dead on this beach a whole bunch of them had just fallen out of the sky
00:29:51.640 and then they don't talk about how the exploration companies also pollute oh yeah they break down
00:29:57.080 through groundwater you know you have all of your um your waters and your lubricants and whatever
00:30:02.640 to run the drills that often gets down into the wells and that are capped that are there
00:30:08.580 self-monitoring mining's all self-monitored so it's like ripe right conditions for corruption
00:30:14.360 and what about all the wealthy people in vancouver who want to catch their salmon on the weekends i
00:30:20.100 mean like do you just they not know like what i don't think so wealthy white people in the towers
00:30:25.000 of vancouver in their glass buildings yeah the fraser river goes through there right it does
00:30:29.340 i think part of it is that they don't know or they they don't have an immediate connection to
00:30:34.680 it that's the storytelling piece to get people connected into how they're being impacted
00:30:38.860 so you're really passionate about kinder morgan well you should hear about mining
00:30:45.120 because there are there are thousands of mining sites in bc it's one pipeline
00:30:50.840 you need to learn about the next piece when i was down at the protecting mother earth conference and
00:30:56.620 listening to all of the conversations around getting off of fossil fuels and you know renewable
00:31:01.560 energy i'm like you have to clean up mining because there's more mining that's going to
00:31:05.560 be required for rare earth materials and more copper and like I'll tell people you're being
00:31:10.280 impacted whether you understand it or not.
00:31:35.560 Keep disappearing, like Leonard and Bowie, and the ice caps here.
00:31:46.180 And we're left with this ignorant bliss, when we find a good thing, we can't hold on to it.
00:31:59.420 The golden age, it sure was great
00:32:05.180 The sun was so pretty we couldn't look away
00:32:12.540 Now I can't see my brother, my sister or mother
00:32:19.540 Through the rose-colored glasses of my own newsfeed
00:32:27.540 And the sermon I'm giving
00:32:29.360 In this new algorithm
00:32:32.720 It's falling on deaf ears
00:32:36.560 Cause the choir already believes
00:32:41.620 Tell me where are our heroes
00:32:44.580 Are they stuck at the wall
00:32:47.800 Cause we got some real villains
00:32:51.040 To stop before they kill us
00:32:54.920 All the golden age
00:32:58.780 It's ours to save
00:33:01.540 I hear the bells ringing
00:33:04.380 Are you awake?
00:33:24.920 the amount of rhetoric spewed at conferences and beyond and commercials and the future and
00:33:32.760 techno fixes and the renewable energies okay that is literally i see it i'm like oh my gosh
00:33:38.700 this is just the next wave of industry this is just it's the next wave of industry of factories
00:33:47.340 of it's not less energy intensive no people think oh it's a solar panel somehow that's less energy
00:33:54.280 intensive to create or there's no oppressed people that are having to make the thing that
00:33:58.620 waters all over the world being poisoned but um and that's just a deeper level of like
00:34:03.740 this resilient this this false resilient community being sold to even good activist people like i
00:34:11.180 interviewed so many amazing activists that talk about energy freedom yeah and they talk about
00:34:17.940 just transition it's like yeah but where's the mining talking about transition that's right
00:34:23.040 When I was down, when I gave my talk down in Miss Kali, I had mentioned about that and saying, like, you're missing a piece of the conversation if you're not talking about mining.
00:34:31.640 I mean, of course, forestry underpins it all because that's what clears the roads.
00:34:35.260 But you've got your big hydroelectric dams, right?
00:34:38.440 You've got Site C, which a lot of people are saying is, you know, they're just going to sell off the water or use it for fracking, which would make sense where it is because that's in the big fracking zone up there.
00:34:48.320 and then you have your fish farms and then you have your pipelines right and then the mining
00:34:55.480 and then agriculture on top of that because you've got to think of all the runoff right
00:34:58.960 so within just the Fraser watershed you've got all of these super industrial practices that are
00:35:06.440 just not being considered together in one conversation no you know people are wanting
00:35:12.140 to just transition where are you on mining or is that even on your radar because it's not yeah how
00:35:19.240 is it a just transition if your land is being poisoned exactly so that somebody else somewhere
00:35:24.360 else can have a just transition all of those those huge tires you know they're like 75 000
00:35:29.540 each we don't have rubber in our territory this is coming from the jungles junk you know where
00:35:35.760 is the fuel coming from to run those big mega trucks probably being fracked somewhere from
00:35:40.960 somewhere um you know what about all of the the big jumbo hydroelectric shovels well they're coming
00:35:46.800 from big electric dams the forestry cleared the roads to get them in there and all the water from
00:35:52.340 the watersheds you've got from all the headwaters is where all the big gold mines are because of
00:35:56.320 the way the geology works so all of this is going into the river that impacts the salmon that impacts
00:36:01.720 the killer whales so it's just ripple effect constantly there is no way to continue getting
00:36:07.420 out of it i mean unless you want to start eating like petri dish food which is the direction we're
00:36:11.740 going going down to southern california where a lot of my family lives there's million dollar
00:36:16.740 houses right next to an oil rig you know people like are breaking out with asthma and like have
00:36:20.640 all these issues like uh you literally you have your million dollar fake looking tuscan mansion
00:36:26.440 with this offshore drilling and then an oil patch that was wetland why would you have asthma like
00:36:32.600 What is meant by a clean energy future if it necessitates a permanently polluting, predatory industry, and moreover requires that industry to expand many times over to meet consumer demands?
00:36:47.080 We must be clear that this new industrial revolution, painted green, carries existential consequences for the millions of at-risk species of Earth, ourselves included.
00:36:59.420 Replacing the world's 1.2 billion vehicles with those powered by batteries would in part require an 8,840% increase of current global lithium production.
00:37:13.640 And by 2035, the current global demand for copper, an essential material in electric systems, is estimated to spike by 43%.
00:37:22.980 It will be areas of rich natural resources, from the high-altitude lithium reserves in the Andes Mountains to the deep-sea mineral deposits in the waters of Papua New Guinea, that become tomorrow's sacrifice zones for a techno-utopian Green New Deal.
00:37:39.880 My hope is that this conversation will challenge us all to broaden the scope of a just transition to include all communities of life on the front lines of metal and mineral mining, and all those downstream.
00:37:53.920 What could our purpose and identity become outside of the imperialist framework of consumption and domestication?
00:38:01.800 And this has been the conversation, this has been the battle with Indigenous people since contact. 0.53
00:38:06.660 is this completely different worldview around how to live in this world well in potlatching culture 0.70
00:38:13.240 on the northwest coast you would only ever acquire wealth or more than what you needed
00:38:17.760 to redistribute it to the community you would never acquire personal wealth for your own personal gain
00:38:22.820 that would be breaking the law and like actual physical wealth it was metaphorically held in
00:38:30.360 the potlatches of how many times you fed the people that's where your status came from was
00:38:34.780 how much you provided for your wider community so that's written in our laws and within our language
00:38:40.940 so we've got these completely different world views this completely different spiritual
00:38:45.400 connection where there is no spiritual connection in the dominant yeah i was thinking about this
00:38:50.880 the other day and i was like i gotta write this stuff down when i was pregnant with my son i
00:38:55.680 didn't do this consciously but i was eating as much traditional food as i could and so his body
00:39:02.060 is made up of salmon and deer meat and you know medicines and berries and everything that is
00:39:09.380 here while i was pregnant i was drinking soap and juice every day and so our bodies are physically
00:39:15.160 made up of this land and it's the same genetic code as it always has been so that our physical
00:39:20.400 vibrational spiritual however you want to describe it connection to this very land
00:39:25.340 this land actually built our bones and our blood and our flesh it always shocked me when i was
00:39:31.140 younger that people could just grow up somewhere and then just move away forever and never come
00:39:34.960 back it's just not in my world view to do that it's like this is home forever and it always will
00:39:41.120 be for my bloodline we're not going to leave we're not going to go anywhere and that's been the whole
00:39:45.180 that's what the indian problem is the indian problem they actually call it the indian problem
00:39:48.760 in canada is that we survived we're still here and that we still are maintaining this connection
00:39:54.680 with the earth and you know i was thinking about it last night of how to describe it i was thinking 0.68
00:39:59.100 of a play you know maybe something that kids could do if you had this indigenous woman that
00:40:06.420 represents the earth mother the mother you know and her basket is filled with everything that
00:40:11.660 you would ever need you know with your food and the clean water and all of the ceremonies that
00:40:16.120 keep you connected to the land we still have a lot of that a lot of it is getting lost but a lot
00:40:20.940 of it's still amazing there's ways of regaining that knowledge through ceremony and through you
00:40:25.640 You know, just being on the land itself and learning the language, it's all in there.
00:40:29.920 So you talk about these living libraries, and within Indigenous cultures,
00:40:33.840 the language and the ceremonies and the knowledge of the land and the food that we eat
00:40:37.980 gives us information and access to these libraries as well.
00:40:41.340 So when we can't go out on the land, because there's mining and there's no trespassing
00:40:46.420 and no hunting science everywhere, roads are gated,
00:40:49.160 and it becomes harder and harder to maintain that taste for the land.
00:40:52.620 i have a niece that came out um from ontario born and raised in ontario her whole life she's
00:40:57.360 nicole came to bella coola for the first time she doesn't like anything there's like five things on
00:41:02.540 earth that she likes to eat she doesn't like anything she's super super fussy she tried deer
00:41:07.120 meat for the first time and her eyes lit up like a christmas tree she couldn't get enough of it and
00:41:11.580 i was like that's your body recognizing what you were made up of it was just instant recognition
00:41:17.000 you know they want to learn how to hunt they really want to learn how to hunt so it's like
00:41:21.660 okay well you need to be here in the fall right so we're harvesting certain things it's like we
00:41:28.640 can't do that till fall time it's that connection with the land because it's like we know that we're
00:41:34.220 still in the place our birthplace and we still have this connection in that because we have this
00:41:39.240 close relationship with the land even though it's harder and harder to maintain we know that at a
00:41:45.440 very deep level we as indigenous people descend from the strongest of the strong of our ancestors
00:41:51.000 yeah so that blood is running through us and it's not even a choice their job was to survive
00:41:56.620 just make it through just survive get through this survive through the smallpox you know a
00:42:01.260 genocide that happened so yeah like i think what happened is you just concentrated all the warrior
00:42:06.060 survivor blood you know you think of after in europe after the plagues went through what the
00:42:10.880 state of society was at that time right the sickness the trauma so that's what our communities
00:42:17.080 have gone through you know and then the residential schools and boarding schools in the united states
00:42:20.780 the 60s scoop in Canada, you know, forced sterilization, medical experimentation,
00:42:26.780 all of these things. It's just like, oh, thing after thing. And now the big thing in Canada
00:42:30.300 is, you know, the amount of children that are in care. There are more children that have been
00:42:34.720 taken into foster care than were ever in residential schools. Do you think the foster
00:42:39.920 schools are just like, you know, 2.0 residential schools? Yeah. Because it's still this patriarchal
00:42:46.380 system where the underlying belief is that indigenous people aren't truly human aren't 0.95
00:42:51.180 truly civilized don't know how to be parents are totally messed up because we're just degenerate
00:42:57.340 oh no this is this is totally systemic it's really exciting when i see young people who are really
00:43:03.280 stoked to learn their language and they're speaking out against colonization and they're 0.94
00:43:06.920 doing these amazing creative things to say you know what i don't buy that bullshit story anymore 0.96
00:43:12.680 and it stops with me this trauma this cycle this you know sickness stops with me because i'm doing
00:43:20.440 everything i can to learn and so you see this people organizing that's really exciting because
00:43:25.900 that's what needs to happen right and to get these young people fired up where they're raised
00:43:30.180 where it's just not even acceptable they wouldn't even entertain the idea like i asked my son when
00:43:35.140 he was going to school here in williams lake because i went to high school in williams lake
00:43:37.780 and it was very very racist when I went and I asked him how the racism was and he was just like
00:43:43.560 oh I don't know if if there was something directly directly at me he was like I wasn't
00:43:51.720 really aware of it I'm like well you'd be aware of it my son is the first generation whose parents
00:43:58.320 didn't go to residential school I'm the first generation he's the first generation whose 0.99
00:44:03.120 parents didn't go the work that indigenous grandmothers are doing are coming from this
00:44:08.600 intense place of love that's why it's powerful that's why they're powerful you know it's it's
00:44:14.300 a love story and when I was in Alaska I was saying you know like every love story there's heartache
00:44:18.400 it's this underlying love people like don't you ever want to quit I'm like yeah like every day
00:44:23.720 like every single day I want to quit and I heard this one this one speaker and she was saying that
00:44:29.660 people would ask her that she goes oh I do but I do I quit every single day at five o'clock I quit
00:44:34.320 and then I'm with my family and I'm doing the things that feed me and then I start again the
00:44:38.780 next day knowing that I can quit at five o'clock every day otherwise I would burn out and go crazy
00:44:43.460 you're having to fight on so many different levels you're having to experientially live it
00:44:48.240 you can't get away from it you drive down the road and oh yeah you know I'm driving on the
00:44:54.480 freeway and I'm like oh there's a mine truck there's a mine truck yeah that one's got you
00:44:58.100 know the big rod for the rod mill that's going to crush up the rock oh that one is hauling
00:45:02.780 concentrate back to Vancouver that's a big piece of mining equipment going up I see it everywhere
00:45:07.340 I see the word capitals n-o-w I think notice of work that's mining you know like I see stuff
00:45:13.840 everywhere and I'm just like I can't unsee it once you know right this machine is broken
00:45:23.080 We're just moving through the motions
00:45:28.620 But you can't tell the ocean when the tide shall come in
00:45:35.360 And it's coming in
00:45:37.880 Yeah, yeah
00:45:39.340 How long can us people keep kicking the wall?
00:45:58.840 What is it made of? What is it standing for?
00:46:04.240 What will it give of? What will it fall?
00:46:09.340 There's so many different parts of the work that needs to be done.
00:46:17.980 You might not be out there at the front of that march getting arrested, but you're going
00:46:22.840 door to door in the community getting signatures for a petition, and you're looking after
00:46:26.400 the kids while there's a meeting going on, or you're slogging through government meetings
00:46:31.680 or doing public events.
00:46:34.400 There are lots of different strategies, they're all threads of the same fabric.
00:46:38.680 indigenous communities too you have people who think that oh if you go to a government meeting
00:46:44.740 then you're a sellout they're being played in this divide and conquer and they're like oh you're so
00:46:50.000 colonized and it's like well then maybe we need to address that what solutions are you bringing
00:46:55.280 you know and getting over this whole internalized colonization internalized divisions within the
00:47:00.340 communities that's a really key piece and you know we're talking about free prior informed
00:47:04.820 consent moving into this age of consent now away from consultation what are we doing in our
00:47:09.680 indigenous nations to ensure true decision making within the nations and i was asked the other day
00:47:16.020 by cbc radio you know well isn't that going to put a halt to every single industrial project out
00:47:22.260 there and i just said that's really oversimplifying it that's fear mongering and there's a lot of work
00:47:28.360 that has never been done and so now it's time to get down to work and now indigenous people
00:47:33.700 have fought their way court after court battle all of these things getting our own agencies to
00:47:39.360 take care of our own children to take care of our own health services all of this stuff
00:47:42.540 that is all trench work you know we're in this position that we're in because it was bought and
00:47:48.800 paid for with the blood sweat and tears of every generation after that's had to deal with the
00:47:54.100 trauma and the ongoing colonization with this gold rush that never ended it just changed clothes just
00:48:00.240 changed appearances it's got a new storefront you know they just keep such a low profile and they
00:48:04.720 try to yes very low very low profile you won't see imperial metals not polymine on any social
00:48:10.120 media platform you won't see them doing anything other than working directly with government
00:48:14.200 and directly within the industry itself yeah they don't reply to anything they don't need to engage
00:48:19.720 with the public because they get all of their permissions and authorizations and permits from
00:48:25.040 the government fossil fuel companies they have social media they're hooking up with coca-cola
00:48:30.560 oh yeah they're out they're sponsoring events bp for instance like i saw a commercial on youtube
00:48:36.960 for bp and they had all these famous musicians and they're like bp and they're like singing
00:48:41.640 you know and they're like bp the way to the future whatever go to disneyland right an old gold mine
00:48:47.740 you know like new gold mine yeah mom is the word when after the montpally disaster happened the
00:48:53.880 government of british columbia wanted the first nations to sign non-disclosure even oh gosh the
00:49:00.600 government on behalf of the mining company and so like you have right now british columbia people
00:49:06.220 going what consent do you know how much time that's going to take reconciliation do you know
00:49:12.840 how much that's cutting into our bottom line and so everything has to operate at the speed of money
00:49:17.080 they want to do it in like a year two years or less for these major oh yeah major projects that
00:49:23.600 couldn't totally wipe out entire populations of human and non-human alike talk about no concept
00:49:31.400 of deep time and in British Columbia one of the big things is this whole system called professional
00:49:36.080 reliance so rather than having ministries that are responsible for you know maintaining the
00:49:42.300 integrity and making decisions around environmental protection like the administrative environment
00:49:47.800 has turned over all monitoring of the water coming off the mine site,
00:49:53.960 all monitoring of the impacts over to the mine.
00:49:57.180 And then they're like, oh, well, yeah, we checked in with them
00:50:00.400 and it looks legit, so we're going to go with that.
00:50:03.980 These 2,000-plus abandoned mines, many are the headwaters of rivers.
00:50:10.720 What will it take for the B.C. government, the U.S. government,
00:50:14.640 what is it going to take to first get these companies or somebody somebody's got to be
00:50:20.840 cleaning this up yeah what are we going to do about that some of the things that are happening 1.00
00:50:24.960 right now in the different channels and partners that i work with is there's the indigenous
00:50:30.360 guardians initiatives that are happening in different communities around doing all of that
00:50:35.840 monitoring being part of the compliance being part of the land use planning having areas that
00:50:40.780 designated as indigenous protected areas where there are just no-go zones right and so that's
00:50:45.500 where I think it's really important for people to be engaged locally and what I've seen from after
00:50:51.120 the Mount Polly disaster was that local people became so discouraged and angered and silenced
00:50:58.020 or just completely ridiculed or harassed everything that was happening on the land
00:51:04.760 in the community, in the public, online, it just completely traumatized people and people
00:51:12.620 withdrew to protect themselves. The aftermath of the Mount Pauly mine disaster reminds us of the
00:51:20.640 toxic social and environmental legacy left behind on the mining industry's destructive path.
00:51:26.980 An expert panel predicted that there will be two such tailing pond failures every 10 years in BC,
00:51:32.940 like ticking time bombs, threatening the heart of living, breathing ecosystems.
00:51:39.220 Nuskamata warns that constant vigilance and community oversight is required over not only
00:51:44.800 active, abandoned, and decommissioned sites, but also new sites in the exploration phase,
00:51:50.840 on the frontier of mining expansion. While traveling in so-called Hanes, Alaska,
00:51:55.960 I witnessed the turning gears of this predatory model, as Constantine Metal Resources,
00:52:01.640 a Canadian mining company, invaded the pristine headwaters of the Chilkat River
00:52:07.320 to quantify the copper, zinc, gold, and silver content of a mountain.
00:52:13.200 This new mine site, in the unceded territory of the Chilkat Tlingit,
00:52:18.600 could begin operations shortly, despite a majority opposition from Native and non-Native Alaskans.
00:52:25.380 And the road into Haines, for the last two years, has totally been reconstructed.
00:52:30.500 I mean, they are chopping down the mountains and they're like, oh, for the tourist.
00:52:34.800 Really? Not for the gigantic haul trucks? Not for the gigantic shipping, you know, out the oar?
00:52:39.960 It's the bald eagle sanctuary. Most bald eagles anywhere.
00:52:43.580 Most grizzly bears in the continent in the Kulani right there.
00:52:47.760 I mean, this area is just unreal.
00:52:49.940 And they're just chopping, chopping, chopping the mountains.
00:52:53.420 Grinding, grinding, grinding for the road.
00:52:55.540 Big excavator. Boom.
00:52:56.680 dunking these excavators in the effing river creating new road on the river the department
00:53:01.980 official wildlife who's supposed to be protecting the salmon allowed for this road construction 0.98
00:53:06.120 during the peak months of salmon spawning to make the road for tourists i'm like this is bullshit 0.90
00:53:14.920 and they have so many machines massive massive project you know millions of dollars obviously
00:53:19.540 i'm just like oh my gosh once the road is in it's it's classic project splitting this is what they
00:53:25.340 do in mines where they'll just incrementally get bigger and bigger and bigger beyond the original
00:53:30.320 footprint of what they ever proposed to get the approval on a 10-year life 15-year life it's
00:53:35.760 going to provide this many jobs or whatever right and then incrementally it gets bigger and bigger
00:53:40.560 to the point that it's well beyond the capacity or the design like Mount Polly and it it bursts
00:53:46.580 yeah it's maddening it's maddening I've seen the road I know what you're talking about up in Haynes
00:53:51.240 If a mine doesn't come into your town, maybe you want to look at all other communities that have had this
00:53:57.080 and try to see what's happened to them to see if it's a good idea for your community.
00:54:00.900 There's no way that your community will not go down the same path.
00:54:05.260 Yeah, your community will not be the exception.
00:54:09.260 How far will we go to mine ourselves out of the climate crisis
00:54:13.120 in order to maintain a luxury-driven consumerist culture?
00:54:17.120 Are we willing to sacrifice more of the Earth's remaining intact ecosystems and watersheds, still turning with the primordial hum of life in the name of modernity?
00:54:29.340 Inhabiting these questions, in part, demands an honest investigation into the true cost of our individual material footprint.
00:54:38.220 While I hold and acknowledge the larger systemic forces at play in contemporary waste regimes,
00:54:44.240 it's also my sense that we shouldn't abandon the thoughtfulness of our material experiences
00:54:49.680 wherever possible. When we fail to acknowledge our interconnectedness, we've cast not only the
00:54:56.300 weight of our material burden, but also the psychic burden onto the affected people and places
00:55:01.760 and creatures. So I invite you to feel into your embodied experience of the metals,
00:55:08.080 fossil fuels, papers, plastics, that pass through your hands on a day-to-day basis.
00:55:14.800 Is there a way to remain effective in the world while drastically reducing or abstaining from
00:55:20.220 such consumption? How can we reclaim the concept of abundance from the grip of mass resource
00:55:26.740 extraction and return it to the arms of the earth it's facing this mythology this romanticized gold
00:55:35.240 there's no reason to mine any more gold it's all for vanity it's all for most of it's for jewelry
00:55:41.380 you know if people can just stop buying gold even if you have gold just stop buying it and be aware
00:55:48.960 of your language around gold you know oh treat you like gold it's the gold standard it's you know
00:55:53.600 where it's this highest value and it's like actually clean water is worth a heck of a lot
00:55:58.280 more can you imagine how our world would be transformed if everybody had access to clean
00:56:02.120 water on the whole planet if everybody had clean water how that would change the world
00:56:07.760 this is the most fundamental thing other than air and so when we as indigenous people are being
00:56:13.300 criminalized for wanting to protect clean water that protects everybody it's so outrageous
00:56:18.620 but it's the accepted norm in this industrial military capitalistic complex that we're in
00:56:26.500 so shifting these systems is huge huge huge work but it's doable we have to believe that we can do
00:56:33.360 it but be skeptical enough that it motivates us to take action in our own lives we can't just wait
00:56:39.960 for someone else to do it because everything that we don't do burden gets passed on to our children
00:56:43.520 so what path are we clearing for them what work are we doing to prepare for them that's why
00:56:49.520 telling the truth is so revolutionary not subscribing to this murder culture and actually
00:56:55.080 working from a place of love is revolutionary people have like love how corny is that and it's
00:56:59.880 like if you don't truly understand what i'm saying that's the problem and if you haven't
00:57:06.940 found your love story with the land yet that's what we need to help you find because that's
00:57:10.900 what's going to shift people and I think also just thinking about my unborn grandchildren
00:57:17.300 that is a huge motivator for me what am I going to what is my inheritance going to be
00:57:22.320 that I'm building up now for them you know so it's life work and sometimes just go stop and
00:57:29.720 go pick berries go to the river go to the river this tastes delicious oh good
00:57:35.620 I think it's balsam. I know the name. It's it's Milan's which means the medicine bar
00:57:50.320 I wish I would have done.
00:58:20.320 When was the last time you swam in the ocean?
00:58:30.780 When was the last time you sailed the sea?
00:58:35.580 It's still there, getting dirtier every day.
00:58:39.980 And if it could speak, I'm sure you'd hear it say.
00:58:44.340 Quit filling me with plastic, killing my critters, drilling for oil, I won't live forever.
00:58:50.320 Nah, no one lives forever, nah, nah, nah, yo.
00:58:54.440 Soska left the other day, not minding his business. 0.59
00:58:57.280 Chillin' with Kamish, pushin' his limits.
00:58:59.640 Watchin' on street, overhead through the Eagle.
00:59:01.920 Another sunny day, not surrounded by people.
00:59:04.380 Talkin' about the land, so what, Mugulu?
00:59:06.720 Runnin' through the hills, dancin' on hoodoos.
00:59:09.200 Catchin' swell, fishin' trout early spring.
00:59:11.620 Harvestin' the goodies, doin' our thing.
00:59:13.720 Watchin' out for that smoole, coverin' our tracks.
00:59:16.180 Pickin' with cocaine, shiverin' us a laugh out the river. 0.82
00:59:19.120 We all want to be healthy. We want to be happy. We want, you know, clean water and food and to
00:59:28.740 have an enjoyable life and to have that available for future generations. And I think that if we can
00:59:33.740 base our work around those values and those principles and be open to learning,
00:59:39.220 to be open to new systems, to be open to sharing power, that's what's going to change the world.
00:59:44.960 this love story it's what we do every day it's the decisions that we make it's our
00:59:49.780 our intention and our awareness and our commitment to action and I think that it's really important
00:59:56.520 for people to get out there and to have those experiences on the land to put that time and
01:00:02.200 commitment into learning where they're from to upholding and protecting these beautiful wild
01:00:07.720 places or to restoring places that have been impacted we can't abandon these places that have
01:00:13.120 been, you know, polluted or who have been harmed, just like we wouldn't abandon a family member
01:00:18.720 who needs our support and who needs our attention. And so if we can have those values guide our work
01:00:25.720 and to be creative and to try things and to really be bold, we don't have time to be careful
01:00:32.120 and cautious. We have to be really bold in our actions. And I think people know deep down what
01:00:37.160 they need to do and finding that bravery and that inspiration. All you have to do is spend a bit of
01:00:42.560 time and out there in the wild on the land or even if you're in the city to really see that
01:00:47.880 the planet needs us our children need us so it's really an honor to be able to do this work and to
01:00:53.880 come at it from that perspective I think shifts things a lot and takes back that power and that's
01:00:58.700 an incredible thing I'd like to take a moment to extend my deepest gratitude to Nuskumada
01:01:05.860 Jacinda Mack for generously opening her home to me and offering her time, open spirit, and
01:01:12.640 honest reflections for the making of this episode. It has been such an honor to learn from this wise
01:01:18.780 woman, artist, musician, mother, and meet along the path as we weave ancient and new worlds into being. 0.97
01:01:27.140 Since this interview, Nuskumata has left First Nations women advocating responsible mining
01:01:32.120 and join the team at Maddie Lee in Northern BC,
01:01:36.420 an Indigenous-led team that has regained control and occupation
01:01:40.000 of their traditional lands in Gitkasan territory on the Skeena River.
01:01:45.400 To learn more about their work in Indigenous systems change,
01:01:48.740 ancestral governance, and cultural revitalization programs,
01:01:52.580 please visit maddielee.com.
01:01:55.240 That's M-A-D-I-I-L-I-I dot com.
01:02:02.120 We also request that you consider supporting local and indigenous communities on the front
01:02:06.320 lines of metal and mineral mining, those working to radically transform the mining industry
01:02:11.320 to preserve the wildlands and watersheds of sacred lands everywhere.
01:02:18.140 As a starting point, check out First Nations Women Advocating Responsible Mining, Fair
01:02:24.360 Mining Collaborative, Salmon Beyond Borders, BC Mining Law Reform, and Mining Injustice
01:02:30.980 Solidarity Network.
01:02:32.120 Lastly, wherever this podcast reaches you, we encourage you to get more involved in local mining, resource extraction, and land defense issues.
01:02:41.640 Here are a few pressing projects we've been following that we hope you'll take the time to learn more about.
01:02:47.760 First, as mentioned earlier, the Palmer Project.
01:02:51.280 A proposed copper, zinc, gold, and silver mine is sited at the headwaters of the Chilkat River on unceded Chilkat Tlingit territory.
01:03:00.520 Second, the proposed open-pit copper and gold pebble mine in Bristol Bay, southwest Alaska,
01:03:07.940 threatens the world's greatest sockeye salmon run and the lifeways of local residents and indigenous communities.
01:03:15.160 Third, Imperial Metals has recently applied for a five-year permit in the Skagit headwaters
01:03:20.920 that, if approved by the B.C. government, will see the building of an access road,
01:03:26.180 surface trenches, drill pads, and exploratory pits up to 2,000 meters deep amid sensitive
01:03:32.800 populations of grizzlies, bull trout, and bald eagles. Finally, on February 23rd,
01:03:42.520 Tech Resources withdrew its application to build a $20 billion Tech Frontier Mine,
01:03:47.900 the largest ever open-pit tar sands mine sited on Diné and Cree territory in so-called Alberta.
01:03:55.260 This win is a direct reflection of the tireless work
01:03:58.800 spearheaded by indigenous-led campaigns and frontline communities.
01:04:03.940 We know all such victories are temporary while industries exist,
01:04:08.620 so we must be non-negotiable in our solidarity with these wild places
01:04:12.580 and those who are most beholden to their defense.
01:04:17.620 Please visit our website at forthewild.world
01:04:21.340 for a full list of links, resources,
01:04:24.440 and action points.
01:04:31.800 Thank you for listening to For the Wild podcast
01:04:34.520 in the Field Edition.
01:04:36.140 I'm Ayanna Young.
01:04:37.400 The music you heard today was
01:04:39.400 Jug in the Water by Carrie Morin,
01:04:41.520 Dirty Water by Compassion Gorilla,
01:04:44.000 Ghost by Lynx and the Servants of Song,
01:04:47.200 Fauna Lingua by the Malamin Collective,
01:04:50.240 Golden Age by the Mina Birds,
01:04:51.780 and This Machine by the Honey Tongues.
01:04:54.440 I'd like to thank our podcast production team,
01:04:57.300 Aidan McCray, Carter Lou McElroy, Erica Ekrem, Aaron Wise,
01:05:02.860 Francesca Glaspell, Hannah Wilton, March Young, and Melanie Younger.
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