For The Wild - October 04, 2023


JASON BALDES on Buffalo and Land Rematriation ⧸350

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to For the Wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young. Today we are speaking with Jason Baldez.
00:00:10.740 Buffalo existed from the west coast nearly all the way to the east coast to Florida,
00:00:18.160 from Mexico to the Arctic, from sea level to 13,000 feet in elevation.
00:00:23.720 There really is not a place on this continent where buffalo doesn't belong.
00:00:28.900 And if we can continue to restore buffalo to its rightful places, those places are also going to heal.
00:00:38.440 Jason, an enrolled member of the Eastern Shoshone Tribe, received both his bachelor's and master's degree in land resources and environmental sciences from Montana State University,
00:00:49.260 where he focused on the restoration of buffalo bison to tribal lands.
00:00:53.940 In 2016, he spearheaded the successful effort to relocate a herd to the Wind River Indian
00:00:59.480 Reservation and worked with both the Eastern Shoshone and Northern Arapaho tribes in buffalo
00:01:04.720 management and expansion.
00:01:06.940 He is an advocate, educator, and speaker on indigenous cultural revitalization and ecological
00:01:12.300 restoration, who has also served as director of the Wind River Native Advocacy Center,
00:01:17.880 where he was instrumental in the passing of the Wyoming Indian Education for All Act.
00:01:23.340 He currently splits time as executive director of the Wind River Tribal Buffalo Initiative, the Tribal Buffalo Program Senior Manager for the National Wildlife Federation's Tribal Partnerships Program.
00:01:35.400 Jason sits on the board of directors of the Inter-Tribal Buffalo Council and the board of trustees for the Conservation Lands Foundation.
00:01:46.060 Well, hello, Jason. Thank you so much for joining us today.
00:01:49.980 Yeah, thank you for having me.
00:01:51.200 Gosh, there is so much to talk about and I'm really excited to get the chance to talk to you.
00:01:57.540 As we start, I want to get a bit of background about your journey towards working with Buffalo
00:02:03.860 Restoration. Maybe we could start off with what led you down this path and what has continually
00:02:10.860 affirmed your commitment to the Buffalo? Well, growing up on the Wind River
00:02:16.680 reservation. I was part of a family who hunted and fished and camped. My dad is a retired fish
00:02:25.040 and wildlife biologist. And so as a young person, I got to witness a lot of his work firsthand
00:02:31.660 in protecting fisheries, fighting for water rights, upholding the sovereignty and self-determination
00:02:39.360 of the tribes to restore species that were exterminated like the pronghorn antelope and
00:02:45.200 bighorn sheep. So I was a kid when I witnessed the reintroduction of those species. And then I
00:02:52.160 had the opportunity when I was 18 to travel with my dad to East Africa and witness the wildebeest
00:02:58.800 migration, along with seeing many of the other wildlife species there in Kenya, Tanzania, and
00:03:05.420 Uganda. And the wildebeest was kind of an epiphany for me, realizing that that's less than 5% of what
00:03:14.820 the bison was here on this continent less than 500 years ago actually less than 200 years ago
00:03:20.200 and so I had a newfound maybe appreciation for my home and my community and so when I returned home
00:03:29.760 from from Africa I decided to pursue an education that would give me the academic credentials to
00:03:37.900 moved forward in bison restoration on the Wind River Indian Reservation here in Wyoming,
00:03:45.560 working closely with the Eastern Shoshone, my own tribe, as well as the Northern Arapahoe,
00:03:52.340 who we share this reservation with. We both come from Buffalo people. It was very important,
00:03:59.480 critical for my grandmas and grandpas. And so, you know, kind of taking the lead from my father
00:04:07.480 stepped into a role where I could help the four-legged, the buffalo, as well as the other
00:04:18.100 species that benefit from their presence. Once I finished with my education, I moved into a
00:04:25.980 professional role with the National Wildlife Federation and then a position with the
00:04:31.900 Intertribal Buffalo Council as the representative for the Shoshone tribe, and then starting a
00:04:37.660 non-profit to work closely with the two tribes here to further buffalo expansion on the reservation.
00:04:45.940 Thank you so much for that work. I would just love to continue hearing more about
00:04:51.860 the specific projects you're working on right now, and what are some new developments in the space?
00:04:58.020 Well, the reservation was opened up for homesteading way back in 1906. And this privatized
00:05:09.100 many of our reservation lands. They're no longer really considered part of the reservation.
00:05:14.640 They're considered fee lands or allotted lands. And so I've been able to raise some dollars to
00:05:22.600 reacquire or purchase those properties for Buffalo habitat. And so that's kind of what
00:05:30.020 I've been saying is rematriation, that we're getting these lands restored to the tribes.
00:05:35.900 We're no longer trespassers on these lands, and they will for now in perpetuity belong to Buffalo
00:05:43.680 and ensuring that Buffalo have a place here. So Buffalo restoration is land rematriation,
00:05:51.460 which is a form of reconciliation that people can literally buy into. Help us buy these fee
00:05:58.060 lands back for buffalo habitat that can be returned to the reservation or trust status.
00:06:05.220 And that creates a new future for our people, a reconnection to buffalo, but also a return of
00:06:14.220 some of these lands that were illegitimately taken from our grandmas and grandpas way back in
00:06:19.520 1906 or even before with the Homestead Act or the General Allotment Act that
00:06:26.040 opened up reservations for homesteading. The tribes also recently dedicated a range unit.
00:06:37.000 The Bureau of Indian Affairs is the land managing agency. It's a federal agency
00:06:41.960 that oversees things on reservations and BIA manages our lands and they've divided it into
00:06:50.700 92 range units that have had a priority in cattle production. Despite our successes in conservation,
00:06:58.860 like the very first wilderness area, protection of game or species with the game code,
00:07:06.580 reintroduction of pronghorn antelope and bighorn sheep, and even in the 90s, protection of wolves
00:07:12.440 and bears, predators on the reservation. So there's a history of conservation success stories.
00:07:18.880 And despite all that, the Bureau of Indian Affairs continues to promote cattle production
00:07:28.500 on these range units. And so we've been able to change the priority on a couple of those range
00:07:35.820 units to prioritize Buffalo. Those are now Buffalo Habitat. And so we're raising the dollars
00:07:42.200 through the nonprofit, the Wind River Tribal Buffalo Initiative, to pay for the infrastructure
00:07:49.160 needs of expansion to a larger land base. So there's community, there's leadership support
00:07:58.060 from both tribes to continue building our Buffalo programs. That's very important for
00:08:05.620 the ecological role of this keystone species being restored to the landscape that
00:08:12.220 increases plant and animal biodiversity. It's important in carbon storage and climate
00:08:18.980 resiliency. For the people here, though, it's very important culturally and spiritually.
00:08:24.700 This was the first year in 139 years that the Shoshone tribe has been able to take our own
00:08:31.360 animals from our own lands for our annual Sundance ceremonies. That's very, very important. Last year
00:08:38.420 was the first time for the Arapaho. And so, you know, integrating that buffalo back into the 0.99
00:08:44.600 ceremonies of our peoples here is very important in our healing. What's also important in our
00:08:51.400 healing is being able to eat buffalo again. The nutritional benefits of this animal, highest in
00:08:58.460 protein, minerals, and vitamins, and lowest in fat and cholesterol than nearly every other meat.
00:09:05.720 So nutritionally, it's very important to integrate buffalo back into our diet,
00:09:10.500 into our elder programs, into our school lunch programs. We know that if we feed our children
00:09:16.180 buffalo because it's in our DNA, that this heals us from the inside out. And we have some studies
00:09:23.140 to show that native children eating buffalo will improve test scores and cognitive ability.
00:09:30.100 And so it really is about healing the land as well as healing ourselves from, you know,
00:09:35.860 this effort to exterminate buffalo.
00:09:39.580 You know, we can restore that cultural, spiritual, educational and academic and nutritional
00:09:45.660 reconnection that's so important in our communities today.
00:09:49.780 Yeah, thank you so much for taking us through some of those points. And I would like to talk a bit more about the complexities of conservation and land rematriation and fee title. And maybe even in your response, you could speak to how people can support that effort.
00:10:09.640 Sure. We have to think pretty deliberately about what was imposed on Native people. 0.88
00:10:19.540 You know, for the tribes, not only the two here on the Wind River Reservation, but others regionally and across the country,
00:10:27.760 there's a foundational understanding and interconnectedness and interrelatedness.
00:10:32.620 the importance of wolves and bears, for instance, is a demonstration of the tribes working to
00:10:42.760 protect that animal is because we understand that they have an important role to play.
00:10:49.320 That's a holistic or an ecological worldview. And what was imposed upon us was really this model of
00:10:57.660 exploitation or progress that's based in the idea of manifest destiny, that these things that are
00:11:08.560 here are for the benefit of man. And for much of the country, which has been plowed up or paved
00:11:16.780 over, fenced in, fenced out, it's disrupted the interconnectedness and the interrelatedness of
00:11:23.560 many species, the corridors, the populations of wildlife, the wildland urban interface,
00:11:32.420 even how fire is used, all have come from this colonial worldview. And so this colonial worldview
00:11:42.840 is where we base agriculture, how we have created policies like the prior appropriation
00:11:54.780 doctrine about how water is used, the use it or lose it philosophy. That's not a very holistic
00:12:01.780 model. It's about exploitation of the resource for the benefit and monetary gain or commodification
00:12:11.200 for man. If we think about how we bridge Western science and indigenous science,
00:12:18.740 it brings in these ideas of interconnectedness and interrelatedness.
00:12:24.900 And that's why oftentimes conservation is aligned with indigenous values and belief systems,
00:12:32.620 because it's really to restore the ecological balance that was here prior to lands and
00:12:42.080 communities being colonized. So we're in an era today where we can focus on cultural revitalization,
00:12:51.700 language preservation. We can think differently about how lands are utilized,
00:12:57.460 the importance of buffalo or bison reintegrated into the communities for the healing that needs
00:13:06.520 to take place. This is going to create a better future for our young people. And if we look at
00:13:12.940 reservations, because of that General Allotment Act, many of our reservations are checkerboarded
00:13:19.580 with jurisdiction from the fee title land to the allotted lands to tribal land,
00:13:26.520 even states that are assuming jurisdiction on many of those fee lands on reservations.
00:13:32.840 Our reservations were created to maintain a way of life. And that way of life was disrupted with
00:13:40.860 the extermination of the buffalo when we became reliant upon the federal government for rations.
00:13:46.720 And then there was the boarding school era where our grandmas and grandpas were forced from their homes to go to schools, where colonization and even indoctrination was, you know, very influential on our people.
00:14:02.900 So that's part of the intergenerational trauma that we're trying to heal.
00:14:07.180 And as we bring buffalo back and get them into ceremonies and we get them back into the diet, that's all part of our healing, which is very important.
00:14:17.160 And the Wind River Tribal Buffalo Initiative was established so that we could not only raise money to acquire more land, but also facilitate the cultural, educational, nutritional reconnection of youth and community to buffalo.
00:14:36.040 So for instance, next week, we have a three-day youth camp taking place out here at the Buffalo
00:14:40.680 so that our elementary and middle school and high schoolers are learning about our efforts
00:14:46.520 to protect fisheries and water, our wildlife and Buffalo, and ensuring that our young people
00:14:54.520 are very knowledgeable and grounded in that relationship, those relationships, so that
00:15:01.800 we are creating better leaders for the future. And so the Wind River Tribal Buffalo Initiative
00:15:08.040 was set up to help facilitate that. You can go to the website, www.windriverbuffalo.org.
00:15:17.800 We have a donate button on that webpage, but you can also learn about the effort,
00:15:22.820 learn about the history of the two tribes here on this reservation, as well as see some videos and
00:15:28.800 and some articles concerning or related to Buffalo restoration.
00:15:58.800 I want to talk a little bit more about the differences between buffalo and cattle because
00:16:10.980 I think a lot of people associate buffalo with cattle thinking that they take up the same role
00:16:16.860 in an ecosystem. But as you know, they're actually quite different. So could you explain
00:16:22.300 the varying roles that they have? Yeah. Well, first off, cattle came from Europe and cattle
00:16:29.440 brought a lot of diseases that infected the wildlife. You hear a lot about brucellosis.
00:16:36.180 We hear less about malignant cataral fever and mycoplasma bovis. These are livestock diseases 0.64
00:16:44.740 that are fatal to buffalo, but more often than not, we hear about this brucellosis argument and
00:16:50.840 it is really unfounded. We've been able to mitigate that disease to ensure that animals
00:16:57.520 can be certified as disease-free and ensure that those genetics are supplementing some of our other
00:17:04.740 herds. And so disease often is one that you hear about between cattle and buffalo. But just to make
00:17:12.580 that clarification is important. Buffalo, bison, I use that term interchangeably. Buffalo is a common
00:17:23.940 term amongst tribal communities. Of course, the scientists argue that bison is the correct term, 1.00
00:17:29.940 but the correct term for us is the language, is the name in our languages. And so there's
00:17:37.400 300 plus, 330 plus languages indigenous to this continent. And so buffalo bison,
00:17:45.860 they cannot be replaced on the landscape by cattle. Buffalo have unique grazing
00:17:53.600 characteristics. Their physiological behavioral adaptations make them beneficial to the landscape.
00:18:00.880 They will do patchwork grazing where they graze heavily in certain areas and leave adjacent
00:18:07.060 patches of grass completely left alone. This creates microhabitats for other organisms,
00:18:14.060 but it also keeps the soils from drying out. The same area that cattle would use,
00:18:21.260 they would graze it down and expose the soil and dry it out. Buffalo will also
00:18:29.220 graze on the grasses. They're primarily graminoid feeders, and that's why you have an increase
00:18:35.460 in biodiversity of plants is because they focus on the grasses and leave the forbs.
00:18:42.200 They have the ability to control their metabolism, to slow it down, so they can rely on less
00:18:48.800 favorable forage when needed. Buffalo are also drought tolerant. They need less water than
00:18:55.480 cattle. And buffalo won't congregate in riparian areas. They will go down and take a drink and
00:19:02.620 then they'll move. They actually move about three miles per day if they have the landscape
00:19:09.040 available to them. A buffalo has 22,000 hairs per square inch compared to about 7,000 hairs for a
00:19:19.180 cow. So a buffalo can withstand extreme temperatures, cold temperatures, because of
00:19:26.700 the hair and the fur that they put on. In the springtime, when they lose that hair,
00:19:33.020 it becomes available to many other organisms that need it for their nests. Certain birds
00:19:39.060 need buffalo hair for their eggs to reach the right incubation temperature. You don't get that
00:19:44.500 with cattle. That hair gets carried down into the ground by mammals. It changes the soil chemistry. 0.93
00:19:51.900 Buffalo also have this unique behavior where they wallow, creating these depressions on the landscape that's important for seed dispersal, but also water accumulation and groundwater recharge.
00:20:08.560 These wallows become microhabitats to reptiles, amphibians, insects.
00:20:17.920 And so as it rains and snows, these wallows fill with water.
00:20:23.020 And so that's important for the animals, but it's also important for the soils.
00:20:30.240 You know, they just have a whole host of things that make them beneficial on the land.
00:20:36.280 Cattle cannot replace the hair, cannot replace their grazing style on the landscape.
00:20:42.760 And so that argument really doesn't hold up anymore because we know and can see and witness the influence that bison or buffalo have on the landscape that you just don't see it with cattle.
00:21:00.220 Actually, with cattle, you have a decrease in plant and animal biodiversity because they don't provide those things that I've just mentioned.
00:21:08.100 Mm-hmm. Yeah. I really enjoy hearing the specific examples of how they work as ecosystem
00:21:16.020 engineers. It's really incredible. And there's a quote from migrating bison engineer, the green
00:21:23.940 wave from the National Academy of Science, where scientists explain that, quote, prior to European
00:21:29.260 settlement, 28 to 30 million planes bison roam North America, migrating in vast groups across
00:21:36.160 immense latitudinal and elevational gradients. Overhunting virtually eliminated North American
00:21:42.040 bison such that by 1900, only a few hundred remained, 26. Today, bison occupy less than
00:21:49.080 1% of their historic range. A remnant population of up to 5,500 animals in Yellowstone National
00:21:55.900 Park, which still migrate up to 100 kilometers, is the last truly migratory herd, end quote.
00:22:02.400 Yeah. So I'm wondering, how does the current American landscape reflect the deep influence of buffalo in the past? And what are we losing in their absence?
00:22:14.940 Well, you know, I focused my undergraduate and graduate degrees around tribal buffalo restoration. And for my thesis, it took me some time to come up with, but I recall seeing, you know, my dad pointing out these relic wallows growing up as a kid when we were hunting in the northern boundary of our reservation, hunting elk and deer and antelope.
00:22:39.940 But he would point out these depressions that were on the land that they were made by buffalo.
00:22:47.360 Even though buffalo haven't been there for over 140 years, there is still these depressions that these buffalo created.
00:22:57.420 and so digging in the literature I found some articles about cultural plants foods tools and
00:23:06.080 medicines that were associated with relic wallows in the tall grass prairie further east and there
00:23:14.240 was very little in the literature about high elevation desert plants cultural plants that
00:23:20.420 were associated with wallows. And so that kind of became my research project was
00:23:27.300 going out in the northern boundary of the reservation and measuring
00:23:32.380 cultural plant biodiversity within these relic wallows and comparing that to the plant biodiversity
00:23:40.240 outside of the relic wallows, suggesting that, you know, maybe these relic wallows still serve
00:23:46.860 a purpose in the abundance of these plants. And so I measured plant biodiversity on 75 wallows
00:23:57.480 that randomly sampled from over 100 to measure that. And so the data suggested that there is
00:24:06.940 several plants that still benefit from the presence of these wallows as opposed to them
00:24:12.480 not being there, suggesting that these relic wallows do serve a purpose in cultural plant
00:24:18.200 biodiversity in a high elevation desert ecosystem like we have here. You know, when there were 28
00:24:25.400 to 30 million, that's actually a conservative estimate. We think that there could have likely
00:24:30.780 been 60 million buffalo across the continent. That if there were millions of buffalo, that
00:24:38.040 there would have been equally millions of these wallows. And that would have been very important
00:24:43.920 for the water accumulation, for the microhabitats, what the buffalo did for biodiversity. Now being
00:24:52.680 1% or less than 1% on their former range, we obviously lack those wallows. And you get up in
00:25:01.680 the air on an airplane and you fly east and you look down on the ground, it's carved up into
00:25:09.000 squares and circles that is evidence of that idea of progress or manifest destiny that all of the
00:25:19.540 land is here for man's benefit. There is few places where there is still intact migratory
00:25:27.380 pathways for ungulates to utilize, water bodies that the migrating birds can use. We see a
00:25:39.380 decrease in biodiversity of birds and amphibians across the world. Globalization has really
00:25:48.080 influenced the animal kingdom. And when you have millions of buffalo, you would have also had
00:25:57.300 you know, a 10% die-off rate that would have really been important for the soil.
00:26:06.040 As these buffalo died, were predated upon, or other species utilized as carrion, you know,
00:26:15.820 these buffalo bodies would have disintegrated and provided extensive nutrients to the soil.
00:26:23.140 most of these lands now are being, are turned into monocultures. They're also inoculated or
00:26:31.440 fertilized with synthetic fertilizers and pesticides and insecticides. And so there's
00:26:39.600 just a, you know, a lot of people don't think about the Dust Bowl as also being a result of 0.94
00:26:45.620 the extermination of the buffalo, because if the buffalo was gone, then it made way for these
00:26:51.800 people coming in to utilize those lands for agriculture. These were grasslands that were
00:26:58.120 millions of years old and had been formed over that period of time from the presence of Buffalo.
00:27:05.140 And that was all, you know, drastically disrupted with westward expansion and colonization. So,
00:27:13.320 you know, the landscape is obviously much different today than it was prior to European arrival.
00:27:19.360 And so we're not going to see 30 to 60 million buffalo in our lifetime, but there is plenty of opportunity to restore buffalo to specific landscapes where they can exist and effectively create the ecological change that we need to see.
00:27:39.040 but we have to reprioritize or question what our motive is as a society. Most of it, again,
00:27:47.280 is based on exploitation or commodification or what you can gain monetarily. For us as tribes,
00:27:55.100 it's much more about the interconnectedness and the interrelatedness, the holistic,
00:28:01.160 reciprocal relationship that we have with our food and our water and our land.
00:28:07.320 And so, you know, the hope is that, you know, what we do here on the Wind River Reservation for Buffalo restoration, that there's going to be some lessons learned there that we can apply to other areas, other public lands that belong to all Americans, where we can think differently about what we want to see for our future.
00:28:30.280 what we want to put back that was taken from us and do some restorative justice for the Buffalo,
00:28:40.240 but also the people that depended upon them. And also now that it's, you know, widely recognized,
00:28:48.340 you know, with media like the Ken Burns American Buffalo film with some of the issues around
00:28:54.780 Yellowstone, that the American people are gaining access to a little bit more knowledge
00:29:00.280 and taking that energy and supporting efforts like what we're doing here at Wynn River to
00:29:08.700 reacquire land for buffalo habitat, but also restore this buffalo protected as a wildlife
00:29:16.560 species.
00:29:18.280 And that's going to be able to maybe give us a little bit of hope or give a hope for
00:29:24.020 our young people for the future that it's not as colonial as it once was and that we can actually
00:29:32.060 exercise our sovereignty and self-determination to create the change that we want to see.
00:29:40.100 Yeah, I'm really grateful for all your work and excited to see the shift and really kind of
00:29:48.260 sitting with the complicated place that Buffalo has lived within the quote American imaginations,
00:29:57.920 you know, because they have represented both this odd colonial idea of freedom, you know,
00:30:03.820 thinking of the wide open plains and the land where the Buffalo roam, but also something to
00:30:10.240 be controlled. So I'm just holding that complexity of the belief system around Buffalo and who gets
00:30:20.620 control of them and why, but also maintaining this idea of manifest destiny and the open lands
00:30:28.980 of the American West. And I can only imagine that these ideologies continue to try and control and
00:30:39.160 manipulate the way that bison get reintroduced and yeah who gets to control the fate and the
00:30:46.360 future of them yeah the the western paradigm is is like you say much about control and
00:30:56.080 you can look at cattle as an example of that i believe that you know any intelligence that
00:31:04.180 cattle once had was bred out of them so that they could be easier to handle by human beings.
00:31:12.420 They became reliant upon human beings for, you know, for feeding themselves, for even calving.
00:31:21.720 A buffalo doesn't need our help. The buffalo does just fine on its own if it has food and water
00:31:28.220 and each other as a herd animal. And so, you know, I think actually buffalo are easier than cattle
00:31:36.440 because they don't need as much care. Not that we're trying to, you know, ranch buffalo,
00:31:43.720 but we had to start small in order to grow for them to exist. And so there is a relationship
00:31:51.900 there. I go out and I see the buffalo every day. They're used to seeing me on the side by side,
00:31:57.960 but they are not in any way domesticated. These animals can exist without me being there or
00:32:07.660 checking up on them or doing anything because they are very intelligent. You know, they're just
00:32:14.300 conscious of their surroundings. They know what's going on. There's a millennia old relationship
00:32:20.640 there that native people had, it's in our DNA, that the buffalo have, it's in their DNA,
00:32:29.240 and that's that reciprocal relationship. We aren't trying to domesticate buffalo,
00:32:36.240 but they are well used to seeing me and others. They're visiting them. They know what's going on,
00:32:44.940 But it's not like they're a pet or it's not like they're domesticated.
00:32:52.100 You know, this is a seed population of various genetics.
00:32:58.420 Our herd comes from six different sources of conservation genetics.
00:33:03.720 And once they have a large enough land base to roam around on, they will distance themselves from human beings like any other animal would.
00:33:14.940 And so I think people get confused a bit because buffalo exists in the world as livestock,
00:33:23.600 but it also exists in the world as wildlife.
00:33:27.840 And it's really up to us as human beings to kind of dictate what kind of scenario we want
00:33:35.300 to see with buffalo.
00:33:37.660 And that makes them unique in that, you know, we don't do that with elk or deer or moose
00:33:43.160 or bighorn sheep or pronghorn antelope. Those are wildlife. Buffalo has this interesting
00:33:50.300 way about itself that allows that relationship. And I really truly believe that's because of the
00:34:00.380 genetic memory between buffalo and the native people. And I think that's why people get into
00:34:07.100 bison ranching is because the buffalo is this iconic species, this magnificent being, this
00:34:16.860 great beast of an animal. But it really is up to us as human beings to take care of that buffalo
00:34:27.140 the way that it used to take care of us. And that's why I'm very focused on ensuring that
00:34:33.500 they can be protected as wildlife and exist as such on this reservation. Because growing up with
00:34:40.200 my biologist father, he helped to instill the way buffalo should be treated. And that is like
00:34:48.320 those other species. And so it's very important that we continue to move in that direction,
00:34:55.460 in that paradigm shift. Yeah. And going back to some of what you were speaking to around
00:35:03.740 the restoration and even comparing the domestication of cattle and buffalo,
00:35:11.360 I'm wondering when we allow buffalo to roam freely rather than keeping them contained,
00:35:17.300 how does their migration impact the environment? Well, like you mentioned that green wave,
00:35:23.480 you know buffalo uh would would follow that and enhance it as the seasonal vegetation cover changes
00:35:33.560 throughout the growing season i know buffalo will move about three miles a day they you know do
00:35:41.480 their wallowing they don't have to go to water sources as often as cattle do they will have
00:35:48.380 you know, birds following them. We, you know, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has 0.93
00:35:53.760 listed the ferruginous hawk, the mountain plover, and the burrowing owl as species of concern. And
00:36:02.120 we noticed that those species come back, along with many others, when buffalo are restored.
00:36:10.920 And so, you know, as we put buffalo back on the landscape and they can grow in population,
00:36:16.040 we can anticipate seeing an increase in birds, insects, even mammals over time and the plant
00:36:26.740 community change over time because of their selective grazing. They're pollinating when
00:36:33.000 they walk with their beards. They spread seed when they wallow. And so you would see the formation
00:36:41.140 of these wallows even and trail systems, you know, buffalo doesn't know where to go until it learns
00:36:49.120 that, you know, buffalo doesn't just instinctively have, you know, an urge to, to, you know, get out
00:36:56.980 and go to Yellowstone, which I've actually heard before. They have to learn what's available to
00:37:04.300 them and then they utilize that. And that's why when we started on 300 acres, you know, those
00:37:10.460 animals learned that 300 acres. We've now grown to 2,000 acres. The buffalo have learned where
00:37:17.260 they can go and get water and eat specific plants in that 2,000 acres. It's no different
00:37:23.340 when we expand their habitat. They're going to go and they're going to find out what the
00:37:29.680 perimeter is and they're going to learn what's available to them. They have a homing instinct
00:37:35.020 and so there's been over 40 calves born on this ground where we started and so this is going to
00:37:42.040 always be a place that those buffalo will return to and that's something that I've come to learn
00:37:48.520 and understand as I've spent more time with buffalo is that they have those behavioral
00:37:54.300 characteristics that are innate and and once they learn what they know and what they can have access
00:38:02.380 to, that's what they use. And so just learning from them and watching has been really beneficial
00:38:10.160 and it's been part of my healing as well to be able to spend time with buffalo and get them
00:38:16.800 into the ceremonies and being able to eat buffalo more regularly. It's certainly part of my healing,
00:38:24.380 my family uh and and community members that now have access to to buffalo in the diet and that's
00:38:32.540 only going to increase as we build our population and ensure these animals can exist here protected
00:38:39.240 as as wildlife yeah thank you for sharing about that and i was reading from the wind river tribal
00:38:50.360 Buffalo Initiative. And it says, quote, Buffalo back on the Wind River Reservation signifies
00:38:55.960 change, a return to the beliefs and values held by our grandmas and grandpas. We are helping them
00:39:02.020 so they can once again help us. They are here once again for our nutrition, ceremony, and tradition.
00:39:09.080 The buffalo have been absent from our lives for over 130 years, but the teachings are not forgotten.
00:39:15.320 end quote. I would just love to hear more about how does connection to these modern buffalo also
00:39:23.780 bring about connection to past generations? It certainly does. You know, our ceremonies
00:39:32.140 were outlawed up until 1978 with the American Indian Religious Freedom Act.
00:39:39.080 And fortunately for our tribes here, we were able to keep secret the songs, the ceremonies, the rituals, the protocols, the practices, despite it being illegal for many decades.
00:39:56.320 And so, you know, not all tribes can lay claim to that.
00:40:01.000 Many tribes lost their languages. Many tribes lost their ceremonies. Many tribes lost semblance of who they were.
00:40:11.340 Fortunately for many of the tribes out west, because of the period of time, we were able to hold on to these things.
00:40:20.600 And so as we restore that buffalo to ceremonies, as we provide it again, a relationship again, there is the feeling that our ancestors' prayers are being answered, that there were our grandmas and grandpas who were praying for what we're seeing happen now.
00:40:46.900 and so we feel their presence we don't we don't believe that they're gone we believe that that
00:40:55.540 our ancestors are still here with us and so that part of the healing the songs that can be sung
00:41:03.800 again in ceremony you know that is the the result i think of of many many people's prayers before us
00:41:15.300 coming to fruition in front of our eyes you know today so i i certainly do believe that
00:41:21.620 that our grandmas and grandpas are still with us and it's it's the spirit of the buffalo it's the
00:41:28.760 the spirit of of our people before us that are helping to ensure that this relationship
00:41:37.080 this identity of our people can remain
00:41:41.660 piano plays softly
00:42:11.660 another thing from the wind river tribal buffalo initiative which writes quotes we need healing
00:42:20.360 the evidence of loss of connection manifests as addiction trauma and unhealthy behaviors that is
00:42:26.380 not of our traditional belief systems there is potential for healing and recovery from addiction
00:42:32.400 or trauma and finding inspiration from buffalo and a reconnection to mother earth and our relatives
00:42:38.000 found in nature. And I've read you say, quote, we offer visits to the buffalo herds for individual
00:42:44.440 and groups in recovery. And love to hear if you have any stories to share about these programs
00:42:52.920 that you support or anything that brings you the hope that you've seen.
00:42:59.000 You know, we have the social dilemma of our circumstances in our communities is challenging.
00:43:10.140 You know, we have, I think, 12-year lower life expectancy than the national average.
00:43:16.280 We have high suicide rates, high high school dropout rates, and other problems that is directly attributable to the intergenerational trauma.
00:43:29.860 a lot of people turn to alcohol, substance abuse, even gambling as a coping mechanism to deal with
00:43:40.840 that trauma. And that isn't healthy for us. It's not good for us. It's not
00:43:48.360 ensuring that our people have a foundation to grow from.
00:43:54.340 And even my own struggles with alcohol, I've got over five years of sobriety now that I found my help in Buffalo.
00:44:09.880 I found my help in returning to ceremony and really, you know, submersing myself in this work to help the Buffalo, to help, you know, myself.
00:44:24.340 to help my family, my community from many of these issues that we all face
00:44:29.860 that touch all of our families in some way or another.
00:44:35.640 And if we look across the country at other tribes and the things that they're doing,
00:44:43.420 for instance, the Intertribal Buffalo Council now has a membership of 82 or 83 tribes
00:44:50.680 restoring buffalo for the cultural and spiritual importance. It's very similar. It's also
00:44:58.260 restoring ancestral foods, eating healthier, thinking more holistically about how we treat
00:45:06.980 our bodies, what we're ingesting, how we treat each other, a holistic medicine wheel approach to
00:45:15.060 thinking about our growth and development as human beings. That medicine wheel philosophy
00:45:21.680 is integrated into everything that we do. And it's a very big part of our healing.
00:45:32.080 And Buffalo are really foundational to that. And I don't really know how to describe it
00:45:39.000 other than it's in our ceremonies, it's in the lessons that we learn as we transcend the four
00:45:48.320 hills of life from baby youth to adult to elder. It's in the balance that we find mentally,
00:45:55.520 physically, spiritually, and emotionally. That medicine wheel is kind of the paradigm,
00:46:02.480 is the worldview that our grandmas and grandpas had. And that's what we're trying to
00:46:08.720 help our people with in finding their own healing. And when you find balance mentally,
00:46:15.660 physically, spiritually, emotionally, and you can integrate that medicine wheel thinking and
00:46:22.000 belief system into your everyday life, well, that is part of restoring what was taken from us.
00:46:32.020 and that's foundational to our healing whether it's moving away from alcohol
00:46:38.780 or or substance abuse or any kind of addiction that that we may have or carry and so you know
00:46:47.240 healing myself and finding sobriety and recovery was because of buffalo because of the the work
00:46:56.240 or the platform that it allowed me to work from.
00:47:00.020 And I wanted to be able to share that with anyone else that can relate,
00:47:07.340 tribal or even non-tribal.
00:47:10.040 But because we as Native people carry around this intergenerational trauma,
00:47:16.180 it's very important to include those that are in recovery.
00:47:20.740 And that's why the people that are in recovery, those recovery programs you mentioned, continue to come out to the Buffalo.
00:47:31.580 It's not to learn from me, but it's to learn from the Buffalo, to go sit with the Buffalo and find that healing that we all need.
00:47:41.740 all need. And so it's just an important way to provide that place. And sitting with the buffalo
00:47:53.160 can remind people about a part of themselves that they never knew was there.
00:48:01.860 Beautiful. Along with the buffalo, I also wanted to take a moment and think about the beauty of
00:48:09.040 the prairie you know there's there's so much in a prairie that i think gets overlooked
00:48:15.000 and there's so much vitality that also potentially gets overlooked and so just wondering if you could
00:48:22.480 speak to the beauty you find in the prairie and the the power there yeah there's i think not only
00:48:31.540 about the prairie, but I think about the rivers, the river bottoms, the mountains, the high mountain
00:48:39.500 meadows. Buffalo existed from the west coast, nearly all the way to the east coast, to Florida,
00:48:50.080 from Mexico to the Arctic, from sea level to 13,000 feet in elevation. And so there really
00:48:57.620 is not a place on this continent where buffalo doesn't belong. And I truly believe that
00:49:04.300 if we can continue to restore buffalo to its rightful places, that those places are also
00:49:12.340 going to heal. And it's the plants, it's the birds, it's the insects, it's the other
00:49:20.040 four-legged animals that are out there it's uh it's even it's even the the microbiology the
00:49:27.520 the soils and the microbes that that will all benefit from from buffalo and i hope to see it
00:49:36.780 in my lifetime where buffalo exists you know on hundreds of thousands of acres and populations
00:49:44.520 greater than a thousand, you know, thousands of buffalo on hundreds of thousands of acres.
00:49:51.740 I think that's foreseeable in our lifetime. And for me personally, a lot of this work
00:50:00.340 is so that one day I can hunt buffalo with my kids and grandkids and hopefully my dad.
00:50:07.860 that a lot of this work that I'm involved in wouldn't have been possible without the effort
00:50:15.720 of many who've come before. And for me, my dad is my hero for the work that he did to buck the
00:50:24.340 system, to fight against what he didn't believe in, and to be an advocate for the fish and the
00:50:30.580 wildlife and those that don't have a voice. And so, you know, there's a whole lot of work that
00:50:37.660 goes into getting to that point where buffalo actually exists on large landscapes. That's
00:50:46.600 still a lofty goal in this day and age. I think it's achievable, but we have still a lot of
00:50:55.800 challenges ahead to get to that, to challenge the paradigm, to change the status quo, to
00:51:03.480 challenge others' belief systems, to call out manifest destiny and the notion of progress
00:51:10.540 when needed. Those are challenges that I think are becoming a bit more achievable
00:51:20.260 as people want to see and support a different way of doing things
00:51:26.980 that isn't exploitative but is more holistic and ecological in nature.
00:51:36.380 So I hope someday that I will be able to hunt a buffalo with my kids and grandkids
00:51:43.400 or even more importantly to be able to do that with my dad
00:51:47.760 would be one of the greatest rewards that there could ever be.
00:51:56.440 Yeah, I feel that, Jason.
00:51:59.520 For those of us who want to get more involved and support this effort,
00:52:04.700 what are ways that the everyday individual can support?
00:52:09.200 And maybe for those listening who have a bit more ability to give or support,
00:52:15.180 what are ways that that can happen?
00:52:17.760 Yeah, a lot of our expenses are for land acquisition. And even though our lands were
00:52:24.200 bought and sold for pennies per acre back in 1906, they're now worth about $6,000 per acre.
00:52:31.460 If we had $20 million right now, for instance, we could lock up 10,000 acres of fee land on the
00:52:38.000 reservation that could be put into the land in the trust process. It would be turned into Buffalo
00:52:44.380 habitat. And so that's an extensive request. However, we also need, you know, funding for 0.96
00:52:54.080 providing more jobs, you know, to ensure that we can engage young people and community members
00:53:01.520 to pay for infrastructure as we expand habitat. And so the Wind River Tribal Buffalo Initiative
00:53:08.500 was really set up as a nonprofit to bring in resources from outside of the reservation so that
00:53:15.420 we don't have to rely upon either tribe who have limited resources and definitely don't
00:53:21.760 have money for land acquisition. And so ensuring that the tribes can continue to build our Buffalo
00:53:29.960 program, the Tribal Buffalo Initiative was set up so that we could facilitate that land acquisition
00:53:35.980 to support the tribes in getting more habitat and integrate it into the diet and into the lives of
00:53:44.100 our community members again. For people that want to support this work, please go to the website
00:53:49.720 windriverbuffalo.org. Navigate through there to the donate page and provide as much as you can,
00:53:58.200 $5, $10 or more. It's all going to support the efforts of the Tribal Buffalo Initiative
00:54:05.500 and we're just appreciative of all of the support that continues to grow and build from not only
00:54:13.980 the people here on the reservation, obviously, but also people in the state of Wyoming and also
00:54:20.640 nationwide as well as worldwide. There's interest from other countries and we've had visitors from
00:54:30.300 from india from switzerland from other countries in africa you know there's there's people are
00:54:38.520 conscious of of history and people realize some of the atrocities that happen and supporting
00:54:44.480 the tribal buffalo initiative and getting not only buffalo restored but getting land back
00:54:50.220 is is a real form of reconciliation that that people can literally buy into
00:54:55.520 help us get these lands restored for buffalo and support the efforts of the tribal buffalo
00:55:01.680 initiative to get this this animal integrated back into our lives again oh jason thank you so
00:55:09.480 much for your time and for sharing these thoughts and stories and hopes with us i'm really moved and
00:55:17.740 feel like i want to continue learning more well appreciate the invitation to join you
00:55:24.340 on the conversation today.
00:55:25.940 I think it's really important
00:55:27.000 that people learn about this history
00:55:30.440 and understand how, you know,
00:55:33.220 we can actually effectively create
00:55:35.420 the change we want to see today.
00:55:43.100 Thanks for listening to For the Wild.
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00:56:22.360 I'm gonna keep on until I find it. There is more love somewhere. There is more peace somewhere. There is more peace somewhere.