For The Wild - May 31, 2018


RON FINLEY on Cultivating the Garden of the Mind ⧸79

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00:00:00.000 Hey For the Wild community, Ayanna here, and I wanted to share a few updates before we begin
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00:00:59.260 I want people to be self-sustaining. That's gangster to me. It's because being a gardener
00:01:04.620 is one of the most gangster things you can do. Mother Nature is the ultimate gangster to me.
00:01:17.940 The silence is broken by somebody crying, trying to be heard, never a word.
00:01:26.000 Always the attitude, sort out your own, always alone.
00:01:31.420 Wishing for something the world is denying.
00:01:36.120 Out in the wilderness somebody's crying.
00:01:47.940 Somebody wishing for something to happen
00:01:53.020 Wishing to tell, wishing to help
00:01:56.460 Someone was listening, someone who cared
00:02:00.260 Never despaired
00:02:02.140 Someone to lean on and someone to trust
00:02:06.780 Who needs your assistance and finds your disguise
00:02:10.820 Hello and welcome to For the Wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young. Today we are speaking with Ron
00:02:28.020 Finley. Ron is a creative phenomenon, a gangsta horticulturalist with a strong vision for
00:02:34.560 community gardening and changing culture. Nicknamed the Gangsta Gardener, Ron Finley
00:02:40.680 planted organic vegetables in the parkway in front of his South Los Angeles home and a revolution
00:02:46.480 was started. Ron's belief that gardens build communities has blossomed into a quest to change
00:02:52.280 how we eat. Today, Ron's mission is changing the composition of the soil and communities around
00:02:57.520 the world through the Ron Finley project. When he is not speaking, you can find him in the garden.
00:03:04.120 Well, welcome, Ron.
00:03:05.580 I really wish that we could be sharing this conversation with our hands in the soil in
00:03:10.540 one of the gardens you tend.
00:03:12.020 But that being said, I'm so delighted to have you on the show today.
00:03:15.380 Hi, how are you?
00:03:17.020 So recently, I've had the pleasure of being in dialogue with a number of vibrant farmers
00:03:21.680 working for land liberation and food justice in their local communities.
00:03:25.800 And one of the lessons that really rang true in my conversation with both Leah Penniman
00:03:30.780 of Soul Fire Farm in Grafton, New York, and Malik Yakini, hailing from Detroit, is that every
00:03:36.860 community has their own needs and desires, and every community deserves to actualize their unique
00:03:43.540 self-determined solutions. So your home turf is South Central Los Angeles, and I'd like to begin
00:03:49.840 by asking you to share how your work has evolved in relationship and dedication to your specific
00:03:56.500 community? I consider the whole world my community. I don't set trip. I'm accepting
00:04:02.560 everybody who wants to change this design of what we're dealing with right now. So no,
00:04:08.640 it's not a specific thing. I mean, I literally travel around the world. Right now, I'm speaking
00:04:14.300 to you in the middle of a park in Memphis, Tennessee. We all need the same thing, period.
00:04:21.480 I don't care where you're at. We all need shelter. First and foremost, we all need air. It's
00:04:26.380 the single most important thing to your life that nobody seems to think about because they figure
00:04:30.760 it's here until you need it to me i don't i don't treat this like that i don't treat this like oh
00:04:35.960 i'm over here and you're over there no we all as humans need the same thing yeah absolutely that's
00:04:43.400 a great point so many of us don't think about air or water even at all i'll ask the question
00:04:51.440 around the world, from Denmark to Compton, California. And I'll ask, what's the single
00:04:56.780 most important thing to your life? And people will say, oh, love, my kids, God, my husband,
00:05:04.900 my wife, you know, my cats. But nobody generally, 0.0002 might say oxygen, air. So no, you'll get
00:05:16.540 water and you'll get food, but food and water is not the single most important thing to your life.
00:05:21.440 First and foremost is air, because without that, you don't have anything.
00:05:25.340 What I'm trying to do is just have people think about what we've been taught to value differently.
00:05:30.960 The space that needs to be cultivated with me is the space between your two ears.
00:05:35.280 That's what needs to be farmed.
00:05:37.180 That's the soil that needs to be tended to.
00:05:40.220 That's the garden that needs to be raised, is that space between your ears.
00:05:43.340 Because what we are living right now is something that is not really designed for us.
00:05:48.700 designed for us to be minions for corporations. Is it ever? And thinking about Los Angeles where
00:05:56.280 your project started, I believe, you know, in LA is such a giant metropolis and it's this nexus of
00:06:04.660 money and privilege with the entertainment industry, but it's also heavily dependent on
00:06:09.500 resources from elsewhere. And not only are these manicured lawns and consumptive lifestyles
00:06:15.580 sucking the watersheds of California dry, but the city also owns 26 square miles of vacant lots,
00:06:22.720 which is actually equivalent to 20 central parks. So to think that in this fear, the city
00:06:29.460 reprimanded you for utilizing open space to grow food for and beautify your community is absurd.
00:06:37.060 So I'd love to hear the story of how your projects persevered through the many hurdles imposed by
00:06:42.440 an equitable bureaucracy from the beginning of your gardens and the Bureau of Street Services
00:06:48.760 citation to then the recent crowdfunding campaign that led you to the purchasing of your own land
00:06:54.480 and property? It basically started because what I do is not necessarily, it's not about food.
00:07:02.480 Food is a very small component to what I do. First and foremost, what I do is about people.
00:07:07.980 And that's what people, they take that for granted. Everything I do is about people. When you do things like this, what I've, the undertaking that I have, it's not about you. It's way, way, way bigger than anything you do.
00:07:26.140 They weren't just going to reprimand me. I was going to get arrested.
00:07:31.240 You a lot of times you have to step out of your comfort zone to to show people the difference.
00:07:37.580 And that's what happened with the city. I mean, I kind of embarrassed my city to like, well, you have these areas with the only land these people have is this land that's supposedly owned by you in front of their house.
00:07:49.840 Why can't they grow food instead of putting grass there, instead of people leaving trash on your parkway?
00:07:55.780 You know, and that's the thing with me.
00:07:56.980 I didn't get a citation because people would leave toilets and dressers and couches on my street. 1.00
00:08:02.580 But as soon as I put some agapanthas and some onions and carrots out there, all of a sudden I'm a criminal and I get a warrant for my arrest. 0.94
00:08:09.160 So what this has led me to is, like I said, speaking all over the world on this.
00:08:14.740 And I don't maintain farms.
00:08:16.540 There's only one garden I maintain, and it's mine.
00:08:18.960 You should maintain your own garden, because if you don't, you are still in the slavery system. And that's all of us. I'm not just talking about black people. All of us are enslaved by big ag, period. You know, you ask the child, where does apples come from? And they raise their hand and say from the store, not from my front yard, not from my backyard. And this is all around the world. It's not just the United States.
00:08:39.500 When I spoke to Malik Yakini a few weeks ago, he said something along the lines of, quote, local food tastes great, but it won't end white supremacy, end quote.
00:08:51.420 And I thought about this when I read about your visions for the Ron Finley Project and how your projects for a growing food into freedom.
00:09:03.800 But like you were saying, it's more than that and severing the lines of dependence and encouraging local autonomy and communal reciprocity.
00:09:12.100 So could you tell us more about the goals and visions of the Ron Finley project? And then how is this initiative and your upcoming event to function, invigorating revitalization within your community, but like you were saying, the global community?
00:09:28.100 What we're trying to do is have people understand that the environment that you live in is by design and it's not designed for you.
00:09:37.380 The fact that we all are designers and we are capable of designing the life we want to live and not the one that's been designed for us.
00:09:45.320 So my whole thing is if we just get together and start communicating for one, but then if we grow together, we grow together, period.
00:09:55.960 And that's what I want people to realize, that if we get together and start growing our own food, so now you have neighbors growing food, so now you can trade food with each other.
00:10:06.500 You don't have to grow all the food that you're going to eat.
00:10:08.860 You can do it collectively.
00:10:10.340 That's altering the system.
00:10:11.920 And to me, gardens, they don't just represent food.
00:10:14.980 They represent freedom.
00:10:16.520 Freedom from just that food apartheid, food racism, food injustice, because that's what it is.
00:10:23.520 these areas that are so-called underserved, they're underserved. Why? Because they're
00:10:29.040 underserved. That's the only reason. Why all of a sudden when the complexion of the community 0.99
00:10:33.020 changes, there's cafes and fresh food and juice bars and coffee shops everywhere and everything's
00:10:40.640 convenient. It's the same city. It's the same street. It's the same trees, the same storefronts,
00:10:46.540 but all of a sudden the complexion changes. And I want people to realize all of this is by design. 0.90
00:10:51.980 And I got to address a bunch of mayors like that. You know, it's like these underserved communities are underserved because you're not serving them until it benefits you. But then people don't realize the billions of dollars that are being made from poverty or the delusion of poverty, that we have companies, fast food companies, diabetes centers, these what are these drugstores in our neighborhoods that are making billions and billions of dollars off of people's suffering, off of people's misery.
00:11:19.940 So if there's no money in these communities, how are they making all this money in these communities? 0.74
00:11:25.380 How are the slumlords living in different parts of the community like Beverly Hills and Palos Verdes if there's no money in these communities? 0.99
00:11:32.920 It's a delusion. 0.97
00:11:35.340 Yeah, so you're saying that these...
00:11:38.280 You sound like I shook you. 0.74
00:11:41.240 well i really it touched me the way you explained it how these slum lords living in these served 0.96
00:11:52.020 communities these communities of privilege and they're making the money off communities that
00:11:57.300 are said to have nothing that are said to be in the like you said the illusion of poverty so
00:12:03.940 what you're saying is that the system keeps these communities impoverished but they keep them
00:12:10.280 impoverished because they're actually making money off of it. You're damn right. Yeah. You got the
00:12:16.460 diabetes center. They can get a billion dollars in fines and they can pay it like with one swipe
00:12:21.460 of a credit card. Yes, it's by design and no one sees it like that. When you look at the population
00:12:26.440 like African-Americans, what are we? 13% in the world or something. So how do we have the highest
00:12:31.820 rates of every disease that there is? How is that possible? How are our numbers in prisons
00:12:37.760 more than anybody else's. And we're one of the smallest percentages in the United States of
00:12:44.460 America. It's racist, and it's been racist. It has to change. When you go into these communities
00:12:50.500 also, the rents are higher. The food is more expensive. And it's things like that. If we get
00:12:55.860 a bank loan, we pay more percentages on the bank loan, if you're able to get one. All of this is
00:13:01.440 designed to keep you in a certain place, and it's going to keep you unhealthy, and it's going to 0.99
00:13:05.540 keep you in debt all somebody has to do to see that is open their damn eyes opening your eyes 0.91
00:13:12.200 to both parts that one the system is designed to keep certain people sick and impoverished 0.96
00:13:19.460 on the flip side of that coin the system is actually also making money off that being the
00:13:26.320 case it's a brilliant design it's a brilliant brilliant brilliant design it's just as brilliant
00:13:33.180 is diamond cartels. That's a brilliant design that we need diamonds. Who benefits from that?
00:13:39.000 Who benefits from you having a diamond? I tell people, like, you know, I ask these kids to go
00:13:44.380 to school, what's the most important thing in life? Money. You know, it's like, wow. You know,
00:13:50.080 and they think diamonds are worth something and they're not. We've been taught that they're worth
00:13:55.180 something by brilliant marketing. I put it like this to them. I said, the zombie apocalypse
00:14:00.000 goes down hard okay it's on you and you have carrots in your garden and you have carrots
00:14:07.400 on your fingers which one has value real simple not the one that's been marketed to you has
00:14:13.940 meaning if you have this you're rich you can't do nothing with a diamond in a zombie apocalypse
00:14:20.680 no and i mean the thing with diamonds too that i was learning is that
00:14:27.840 there's actually this fake not so supply and demand but it is it is right they held them
00:14:35.480 they held them back exactly they held them back to make people feel like they're more precious
00:14:39.440 and that they're worth more but it's yeah that's a really good um that's a that's a great metaphor
00:14:45.980 whatever we want to call that but you know i want to get back to this well actually in one of your
00:14:52.220 TED Talks, you spoke about how you weren't interested in living in someone else's manufactured
00:14:58.600 reality. And it really reminded me of the concept of radical imagination, which I was introduced to
00:15:06.340 by Adrienne Marie Brown, who's a social justice and black liberation facilitator. And I really
00:15:12.380 consider her to be one of the great teachers of this generation. And I want to read you a quote
00:15:17.420 from my interview with her earlier this year it says quote the idea that we are actually
00:15:22.640 in an imagination battle we are living inside someone else's imagination for what this world
00:15:29.820 would look like how it would work how power would work inside of it how we would be in relationship
00:15:36.700 to resources we are in this space and if we are in an imagination that created these conservative
00:15:44.260 inhumane conditions, then we need to have a radical imagination that moves us through and
00:15:49.360 out of them. We have to be able to see something beyond this moment, and something about seeing it
00:15:54.940 gives us something to orient towards, end quote. So I'm curious, does the concept of radical
00:16:00.960 imagination resonate with you and the way you approach your work? No, it's not radical to me.
00:16:08.600 You know, they can call it radical because now we're living with their definitions. It's not
00:16:13.660 what I do, I'll get called to colleges supposedly because I'm a critical thinking. I'm not no
00:16:19.420 critical thinker. Thinking is critical, period. You know, the fact that you're, that what we're
00:16:24.600 living, somebody designed it and they didn't design it to benefit us. It's real simple.
00:16:31.700 And everybody that says they work in social justice and food justice, and there's no such
00:16:38.500 thing. It's called injustice. You work in food injustice. You work in social injustice. Okay.
00:16:46.220 And until you fix it, it can't be called social justice because it's not. People should use the
00:16:52.580 right words. Words matter. And so when you say that, every time you say it, you should be letting
00:16:58.300 somebody know I'm trying to change this injustice. Not that it's already just because it's not and
00:17:04.300 It's never been. No, what I do in the scheme of things, because of what we've been taught,
00:17:10.580 I guess you can call it radical. But how radical is it for somebody to grow their own food?
00:17:15.820 Why is that radical all of a sudden? OK, that's how screwed we are, because we're supposed to let
00:17:21.800 them supply our food. Oh, how are we going to feed the world? We don't need you to feed us.
00:17:27.300 Why don't you train us to build our own homes? Why don't you get us the training to grow our 0.98
00:17:31.800 own food. And that's where it needs to go back to. And what are they pushing to all these kids? 0.99
00:17:36.860 Tech, tech, tech, tech, coders, tech. We don't need no more damn coders. We need people to know 0.99
00:17:42.820 how to build infrastructure, know how to build buildings and toilets and roads. That's what we
00:17:47.940 need. We're running out of these kind of laborers. Plumbers are making almost $200,000 a year now. 1.00
00:17:54.820 That's where we need to go. We need to get off of this. Yeah, we need tech, but not to the point
00:18:00.440 where you have infrastructures suffering.
00:18:03.960 Are the tech community,
00:18:05.100 are they going to go back to the wine country
00:18:07.620 in Napa and plant all the trees?
00:18:10.200 Are they going to build the infrastructure
00:18:11.840 back in Puerto Rico?
00:18:14.080 Are they going to go to Houston?
00:18:15.740 No, we need people that literally touch things
00:18:18.660 and know how to build things.
00:18:19.780 We need bricklayers 0.83
00:18:21.160 that not only know how to lay bricks, 0.88
00:18:23.100 they need to know how to make bricks.
00:18:24.780 Who's training these people?
00:18:30.440 Thank you.
00:19:00.440 Thank you.
00:19:30.440 it's really funny when just to hear you say growing food isn't radical it when did it become
00:19:48.020 radical because we think just in the last hundred years how much has changed i think still in russia
00:19:55.780 something like 90 percent of the country's food comes from people's gardens it comes from people's
00:20:03.520 small front yard it's interesting how in some groups things have become radical because that
00:20:10.460 is how screwed we are it shows us that that's how far we've gotten from being healthy humans
00:20:18.560 in their environment and i am also i really resonate with the tech issue because so yes i
00:20:26.540 mean children are being raised from babies on technology and it's all about getting these jobs
00:20:33.240 in tech and and that's fine and well until something actually happens in the physical world
00:20:39.040 and then you're not going to be able just to code something on a computer to fix a bridge that goes
00:20:44.300 out when you can't get home or or what is a hammer which one of these things is a hammer
00:20:49.380 you know it's like that and i mean that's real that's real you know i got i got 26 year olds
00:20:56.040 27 year olds around me that's never used the saw and they think it's a miracle that you can take
00:21:02.380 a pallet and make an anirondack cheer out of it a lot of what we do a lot of what we advocate and
00:21:08.300 teachers, there is no trash. It's only art waiting to happen. It just depends what lens you look at
00:21:15.520 it through. That's why I go back to say the field that needs to be cultivated is that space between
00:21:21.140 your ears, because we value what we've been trained to value. And it's the things that
00:21:26.880 they want us to value. We pledge allegiance to a flag. We don't pledge allegiance to your
00:21:32.940 to your family your neighbors to life itself to we don't pledge allegiance to mother nature
00:21:38.420 why why is this so it's that well i think about the way that you embody empowered creativity and
00:21:47.360 then tangibly act upon these creative visions and dreams for abundance and care of the whole
00:21:54.560 world and it's really inspiring i want to read a quote from you from an article titled
00:21:59.880 the renegade gardener and yes magazine and you write i wanted to beautify my block and my first
00:22:07.740 thought was smell i wanted people to come by and smell lavender and jasmine i wanted to just
00:22:13.960 bombard people's senses with smell that's basically where it started end quote and so i'm intrigued to
00:22:21.600 ask you how you see beauty or gardening as an art form as an antidote for the manufactured
00:22:29.440 monotony and intentionally oppressive design of cities, especially in certain neighborhoods,
00:22:36.560 and how tapping into the beauty, the art, the tangible senses, how that just shifts the entire
00:22:44.400 space. Well, it's like I said, it's amazing what a sunflower can do. It's almost difficult for
00:22:50.920 people to walk and see a sunflower and not smile and not engage, especially when this sunflower
00:22:57.400 might be 10 to 12, 14 feet high. Because people in the city, they've not been exposed to this.
00:23:03.660 And it does. It transforms people. To walk down the street and all of a sudden,
00:23:08.320 you just smell beautiful smells. You see color. I mean, they know what color therapy does.
00:23:14.160 You know, why are these elementary schools and why are they the colors? Why are they just bland
00:23:18.900 beiges and grays? They already know, all the psychologists know what these do to your psyche. 1.00
00:23:25.140 You know, you're in a fenced area, you're in a place with little windows, you know, you're already confined. So a lot of times you look and it's like, wow, these kids, they're already in prison. So when they go to prison, it feels like normal. So it's like, but I have a real simple saying, it's beauty in, beauty out.
00:23:43.980 If you put beauty into a space that has none, that's what you're going to get out of it.
00:23:49.260 It's the same thing that you put into your body.
00:23:51.720 If you put healthy, nutritious, vibrant, alive food in your body, that's what you're going
00:23:57.860 to get instead of the dead things, instead of the chemicals that we are putting into
00:24:02.160 our bodies.
00:24:03.320 And that's what I, my garden in front of my house is one of the biggest social experiments
00:24:08.100 that you could do because it shows how all of a sudden people will see concrete and
00:24:13.680 asphalt and trash. And then you see this, whoa, this is an almond tree. This is a banana tree in
00:24:20.000 the middle of South Central on the street with fruiting bananas on it. It's amazing how people
00:24:25.060 interact with this. I have people that literally go out of their way just to walk by my garden
00:24:31.300 because as they know it changes constantly. All these things are known. I mean, they have studies
00:24:36.680 on all of this. They know how gardens affect people when they're in prison, how these guys
00:24:43.120 have a purpose now and the violence goes down. They have all of this. They know all this. So
00:24:48.300 why don't we have gardens in every school in America, in the world? Why don't we have them
00:24:53.860 in every prison on the planet? Why? Why don't you already know? I mean, and plus you're giving
00:25:00.360 somebody a trade and a life skill. I mean, everywhere you, as far as I'm concerned,
00:25:05.720 everybody on the planet needs to at least know how to grow food just like we know how to breathe
00:25:13.300 just like we know how to walk we should know how to grow food or at least where it comes from
00:25:20.440 we're in this world now that all you have to do is tap a button and they send you a box of food
00:25:25.440 with with how much salt and pepper you should have and and how long you should cook it and
00:25:30.060 there's no effort and to me all of this stuff is making us deaf dumb and blind
00:25:34.560 because we're not using our intuition.
00:25:38.000 We're not using our senses.
00:25:40.160 Absolutely.
00:25:41.100 And I think what you said at the beginning of our conversation,
00:25:44.900 the space between the ears,
00:25:46.860 how that space is being co-opted and controlled
00:25:52.180 so that we do lose our senses,
00:25:55.980 our sense of intuition, our sense of beauty,
00:25:59.320 our sense of smell, our sense of color,
00:26:02.160 all of these things that you've been bringing up.
00:26:04.560 Again, it's by design, and it helps whoever we want, you know, corporate capitalism or however we want to call it, be able to have control over people as just being consumers to keep the system going, going, going, going, going.
00:26:19.680 When you think about it, you think about, okay, you have a child, right?
00:26:23.560 He was given or she was given Similac, which had too much estrogen in it to start with.
00:26:29.580 First thing, you know, has a child, has an infant.
00:26:32.460 Then they go to school.
00:26:33.780 This might be the only meal they get all day.
00:26:35.800 They might get two meals in school, something for breakfast and something for lunch,
00:26:39.980 where it's food-ish.
00:26:41.580 So their brain's not going to develop the way it's supposed to because they're not
00:26:44.520 getting the nutrients that they need.
00:26:45.780 And their mind's not.
00:26:47.000 Their body's not going to develop.
00:26:49.040 but then you keep flashing all of this, these riches in front of them. And if you need this
00:26:55.080 kind of car and you need this diamond and you need, and you should smoke and you should drink
00:27:00.620 and you should do this. And it's like, okay, where am I getting the facility? Where am I
00:27:04.540 getting the money to do all this? Where am I going to do this? So this kid, he can't compete
00:27:10.120 in school. Everybody, the whole college, that's another story with me. You know, you can't compete
00:27:14.760 in life. You haven't been taught any knowledge. You've been educated, which means you've been
00:27:19.620 indoctrinated. So what are you going to do? Because you need these things that they showed
00:27:24.740 you that if you're a successful person, this is what you have. You have this. You're going to go
00:27:28.960 to crime. And where are you going to wind up? In a facility. And that's what's happening in
00:27:33.600 these neighborhoods. I call these schools incubators to the prison industrial complex.
00:27:38.480 Because what is a prison unless you have people in it? We need people in prison. Because look at
00:27:44.400 how many industries prison supports.
00:27:47.840 Think about it, just do a deep dive in your head
00:27:50.780 and think about how many industries incarceration supports.
00:27:55.700 From vehicles to clothing, to bed linen, to food,
00:27:59.760 to electronics, to courthouses, to bailiffs, to judges.
00:28:04.440 I can go on and on and on and on.
00:28:05.920 Do you think they're gonna stop that?
00:28:08.440 You were touching on this earlier, but to dive deeper,
00:28:12.760 How do you see urban nature and gardens and skills intersecting with the atmosphere of state violence in inner cities and the prison industrial complex?
00:28:23.340 What we have to do is let people know that it's a setup and you don't even know it's a setup.
00:28:30.020 You're right in it. But it is a setup.
00:28:32.480 every all the media that you hear the ads drink this hey drink and you got athletes and you got
00:28:39.380 entertainers sponsoring these sodas that you know they know cause diabetes and everything else and
00:28:45.520 if you're cool you'll drink this if you're cool you'll do this people have to have the knowledge
00:28:50.620 of self to realize that they've been played and they need to wake up it's like with me i i tell
00:28:56.600 people i'm not you know people oh are you doing gardens here are you doing gardens i'm like no i'm
00:29:01.240 not doing nobody's garden. Do your own damn garden. I was like, I'll help you, but I'm not 0.99
00:29:06.320 the help. Because if you don't physically know how to do it yourself, you're still in the system.
00:29:11.500 I want people to get out of the system. I want people to be self-sustaining. That's gangster to
00:29:16.640 me. People wonder where that whole gangster gardener came from. It didn't come because I'm
00:29:21.100 some ex-gangster or ex-gang member. It's because being a gardener is one of the most gangster things
00:29:26.960 you can do. Mother Nature's is the ultimate gangster to me. You know, so that's where that
00:29:32.500 came from. Being self-sustaining, that's gangster. And that's what I want people to see. They don't
00:29:39.420 know they're being manipulated. They fall in all these celebrities and rappers and, you know,
00:29:44.740 who's promoting being alcoholics. And you see a lot of them, they become alcoholics from what
00:29:50.540 they were promoting. How much land was taken like that throughout history? How are we going to
00:29:56.580 change that is just that. We have to change it with value of self. That's how it's going to change.
00:30:26.580 I don't need to be blind to the weed's effects inside, breathing easily in all those beliefs that were recently mistaken by the feet and where they're really leading me and being ropes in the deep, in decency, choking how I think, increasingly a host of things that needs to be addressed, within the complex, I'm upholding right sex, I smoke, I confess, to all the moments I forget, stuck upon the crutches of the dumb sects, while at home I finally met with everything I'm eating, stroking pets, but truth be told, I'm still coping with his death.
00:30:55.040 Oh shit 0.99
00:30:56.720 I miss your dad 1.00
00:30:58.400 Rest in peace
00:30:59.200 Rest in peace
00:30:59.980 Draw the card to so many
00:31:01.500 So observing
00:31:02.380 Treating them a sea
00:31:03.580 Like a sketchy merchant
00:31:04.800 Lurking in the liminal between
00:31:06.600 Skeptic asserting
00:31:07.920 Two extremes
00:31:08.760 Furthering with ease
00:31:10.080 From the clutches of these learnings
00:31:11.820 Soul controller
00:31:12.360 But the discipline was covering
00:31:13.780 Aiming to be preserving the peace of me
00:31:15.440 Within the digital
00:31:16.300 And 33 just turning
00:31:17.740 Swerving from a beast
00:31:19.660 Blinded by the song
00:31:20.900 Of what it really means
00:31:22.060 Speaking like the quote
00:31:23.680 Goes to deep
00:31:24.300 With the emotional esteem 1.00
00:31:25.680 Fragile like existence is to deceive 1.00
00:31:28.140 There's always help being dope
00:31:29.820 I just can't cope with the means
00:31:31.900 With all we do and everything we chose to be
00:31:34.220 And so I believe the esoteric creed
00:31:36.360 Such a term is way too much for me
00:31:38.040 I'm just a speck of dust that speaks and reads
00:31:40.800 It strikes and buffing the TCs
00:31:42.760 With interpretations of the stimuli I receive
00:31:45.500 So out of the pretense that we're being unique
00:31:48.240 What makes me different to any other human beings?
00:31:52.620 you briefly mentioned college and said that you weren't going to get into that right then
00:32:12.320 but i'd love to give some space for that your idea on college and is that something that you
00:32:21.160 You really want to go?
00:32:22.280 I really do.
00:32:23.120 You really want to go there?
00:32:23.840 I really would love to.
00:32:24.720 You really want to go there?
00:32:25.420 Yeah.
00:32:25.720 Yes.
00:32:26.180 Yes, please.
00:32:27.520 Okay.
00:32:27.940 So it's real simple.
00:32:29.360 You've been trained to go to college.
00:32:31.040 I want them to go to college.
00:32:32.000 I want them to go to college.
00:32:32.920 For what?
00:32:33.780 Okay.
00:32:34.200 Did you go to college?
00:32:35.760 I did.
00:32:36.380 I have to admit it.
00:32:36.940 No, did you?
00:32:37.620 I did.
00:32:38.940 Okay.
00:32:39.400 So are you doing what you studied in college?
00:32:42.240 I can't say I am.
00:32:43.520 Very far from it.
00:32:44.660 Exactly.
00:32:45.440 Yeah, exactly.
00:32:46.060 And why is this?
00:32:50.120 Well.
00:32:50.560 Well, don't even don't even answer. OK, so it's real simple. So you're in school, right? And you go to college. Was it four years? OK, that's already by design. So you go to college and it's four years and you study whatever you study and then the debt.
00:33:06.700 So now they want you to go to overgrad, undergrad, sideways grad, backwards grad.
00:33:12.320 OK, so now how many years have you put in? That's seven, eight years in college. Right.
00:33:16.460 And then you leave college. And where do you start? At a position that is introductory position, an entry level position.
00:33:26.120 Why? Because all that stuff you learned eight years ago is now antiquated.
00:33:32.400 Why is everywhere you go, it's a four year university? It's a this and that. It's designed
00:33:36.700 like that. You think they don't know that? Everybody can't be on the street at the same time.
00:33:41.280 What are they really teaching you? What are you really doing in college? It's almost like a
00:33:45.560 holding tank. That's why. And it's, I can go deeper, but I don't. I just think it's a joke,
00:33:52.800 you know, with all of these studies and these papers that these college professors do and who
00:33:58.460 gets to read them you know you got a 700 page you studied how does leaf mulch cure cancer you know
00:34:05.940 who gets to read that paper nobody but how much money did it cost you know somebody spends several
00:34:11.960 millions of dollars just for you to do this paper that maybe two people are going to read so it's to
00:34:17.040 me it's a it's a scam some things yeah you need doctors or whatever yeah there's certain things
00:34:22.240 that do but it's a lot of things you don't need college and most people who've gone they're not
00:34:27.140 doing what they went to college for because they wound up realizing I hate this I don't want to do
00:34:32.700 this and there's not the jobs people right they go to college for four years six years I mean
00:34:41.560 get their master's degree and they come out and they don't have jobs for what they've studied
00:34:46.060 I have some guys that were working with me and they went to school for it they studied all that
00:34:51.460 tech coding they can't find a job even in that that's where everything's going to yeah the jobs
00:34:58.280 aren't there and then the debt is so large from college and then you can't find the job and again
00:35:04.940 this is another setup like you've been talking about keeping us in the system keeping us indebted
00:35:11.400 and then I just want to touch on what you said about the college papers I've been doing some
00:35:17.220 major research into the restoration industrial complex of forest ecosystems and trying to
00:35:27.620 break into the forestry industry and it's incredible because these papers on whether
00:35:36.220 that's replanting of redwoods or you know what you said about the mulch or whatever it is it
00:35:41.560 it doesn't even matter but all of these papers they're not even accessible you actually if you're
00:35:48.440 just a regular person who does want to help replant a forest you can't even get to that
00:35:53.780 paper or you have to spend an absorbent amount of money to buy that paper but to even find that
00:35:59.680 paper you almost have to be in this you know exclusive group to even know where to find it
00:36:06.200 and then to find it and then you have to pay for it and then it's written in such a way
00:36:09.860 that is so honestly boring most of the time are so convoluted or so tangled up that it doesn't
00:36:18.000 just allow somebody to read it and then get the information and then do the task even if it's for
00:36:24.620 something good and so it's really fascinating how university colleges the system you know all of
00:36:33.360 those pieces actually keep us so far from being self-sufficient, from being connected to our lands,
00:36:42.040 from being connected to one another. It is this really massive barrier.
00:36:50.820 You sound exhausted.
00:36:53.100 Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking about all the papers that I've been trying to read and all the ways
00:36:58.320 that just trying to break into the systems that hold so much power and it's really yeah it's
00:37:07.160 fascinating especially talking to you as well and you're you know you're putting a flashlight on all
00:37:12.520 these corners that are the barriers that are keeping the flow happening and so yeah it brings
00:37:20.020 up a lot of a lot of frustration people don't think about it like that because we haven't been
00:37:25.600 trained to look at it our whole thing is look through everything question everything who's
00:37:30.760 benefiting where's the money where who who gets the money that's what we've been taught to value
00:37:35.980 we have not been taught to value mother nature you know this planet we have not been taught to
00:37:41.640 value this planet or it wouldn't be as trashed as it is right now what do we value that's how
00:37:47.520 this whole system works right now that's a change well thinking about power and privilege in los
00:37:55.480 Angeles you know specifically you know we talk a lot on this show about how the burdens of this
00:38:01.320 time are overwhelmingly and unrightfully placed on the backs of those who didn't create the problem
00:38:07.180 in the first place and while neighborhoods say in south central are in no way responsible for
00:38:13.300 regenerating the entirety of LA there is without a doubt leadership and solutions from communities
00:38:20.180 that is greatly needed to light the way forward.
00:38:23.280 Yet the money and the resources are, by and large,
00:38:26.700 held in other parts of the city. 0.93
00:38:28.280 Like, you know, you were talking earlier about the slumlords. 0.99
00:38:31.020 Look at Los Angeles, 1.00
00:38:32.020 and there's this huge, wealthy entertainment industry.
00:38:36.020 So I'm wondering if you see any opportunity for harnessing
00:38:39.180 or funneling the power or privilege or resources,
00:38:42.620 say, from the entertainment industry as an example,
00:38:45.320 to support Black leadership for a regenerative future in L.A. specifically?
00:38:52.880 I mean, you can.
00:38:55.620 It's highly possible.
00:38:57.200 And you have some celebrities that are doing their share,
00:39:02.020 but you have some that they're holding on to their purse strings really tight
00:39:06.700 and don't see it as beneficial to them.
00:39:10.260 Everybody should be able to breathe.
00:39:14.260 There's enough food for everybody to eat.
00:39:17.120 Everybody.
00:39:18.040 The world's mightiest country.
00:39:20.580 Why is there people dying in the street from hunger?
00:39:23.220 Why is there people dying in the street from exposure?
00:39:26.920 Why do we have kids in prison for life?
00:39:29.400 Yes, it can be fixed.
00:39:30.940 And the whole thing is, a lot of people, I made this money.
00:39:33.940 I'm not just giving it to you.
00:39:36.320 And again, it's because of what someone values.
00:39:39.820 They're in a situation where they value what they have.
00:39:42.520 They value their riches.
00:39:43.500 they value their their properties they're this but until they're on their deathbed then they see
00:39:47.960 the light man's greed instead of man's need what you're bringing up earlier about being self
00:39:55.880 sufficient and not relying on let's say a celebrity hoping that a celebrity opens up their purse
00:40:03.780 strings or values people's lives or the earth or whatever it is um but instead of relying on that
00:40:13.000 than just being a part of the whole nonprofit industrial complex
00:40:17.200 or basically, you know.
00:40:20.100 I'm glad you called it that.
00:40:22.580 Because a lot of nonprofits are in business to be nonprofits, period.
00:40:26.940 They're not, a lot of them not changing nothing, you know.
00:40:30.220 And I think it also keeps this hierarchy going as well.
00:40:35.120 So it's please, please help, help.
00:40:37.540 And then the nonprofits are going, please, please help, help.
00:40:40.120 to somebody else, say, you know, somebody with power, privilege, celebrity, whatever. So there's
00:40:44.720 always this chain of levels of just continuing to hope and pray and cross your fingers and beg
00:40:53.860 to get somebody higher up to care or to feel that it's valuable enough or worthy enough of a cause
00:41:01.540 to give money to for however long they feel like it. And it doesn't create self-sufficiency.
00:41:08.600 It doesn't create self-value.
00:41:11.800 It doesn't create autonomy.
00:41:13.380 It doesn't create freedom.
00:41:14.320 It actually just creates the system to continue to be hierarchical.
00:41:19.720 So I really am enjoying how you're talking about stop trying to get it from this other place.
00:41:30.180 I think that's what you're getting at.
00:41:32.140 And so I'm interested to hear more about the self-sufficiency, more about how individuals, communities can stop using so much of their energy and their resources to try to get other people to care to then basically just give them breadcrumbs in return, if anything.
00:41:50.580 that's a big mindset that again i'm gonna go back to one of the first thing i said the space that
00:41:59.960 needs to be harvested is the space between our two ears that's what's going to change it and
00:42:04.960 that's what what we do is about people food is a very small part of it yeah we need food but
00:42:11.940 when you put yourself in a place where you understand where you are who you are and what
00:42:18.700 really matters to you. We got a world where you got people that would kill somebody over a pair
00:42:24.440 of tennis shoes. Think about that. What kind of value system is that? And that's the thing that
00:42:29.740 has to change. And a lot of this is a lot of this is celebrity driven. You know, what we're doing
00:42:34.620 with the Ron Finley project is I know a lot of celebrities. They're not in the standing out there
00:42:39.540 with me. Well, why don't you get the celebrity to go do this with you? Because I didn't want 0.97
00:42:43.720 this to be celebrity driven. I want this to be purpose driven. I want people around me to have
00:42:48.980 a purpose that literally truly wants to change this, not just a name that people want to come
00:42:55.280 see or you're famous. That's not what this is about. We have to change our value system.
00:43:00.760 Everybody. Yeah, I think about that a lot, how this system, this current paradigm,
00:43:06.780 it sets us up to value tennis shoes diamonds celebrity but not value oxygen not value
00:43:14.840 clean water not value each other not value our neighbors like you were saying earlier you know
00:43:21.180 we pledge allegiance to the flag we don't pledge allegiance to even the person who lives next door
00:43:26.060 to us we don't pledge allegiance to the creek that runs down a couple miles away so it's yes
00:43:32.200 this value system is so it is the crux it's the crux of everything but who has thought about that
00:43:38.700 has anybody thought about that no have it no one thinks like that and that's why they oh you're
00:43:44.360 you're a critical thinker that's not critical that's real
00:44:02.200 It's morning again.
00:44:32.200 When you ask the sponsor
00:44:34.920 Smoking mirrors, firing eyes
00:44:43.220 Red and blue and black and white
00:44:46.120 And on and on and on and on it goes 1.00
00:44:50.200 Down at Friends, the old cow hands 1.00
00:44:55.500 Are crushing cans with their new friends 0.71
00:44:58.380 And everyone is showing grit and character
00:45:02.520 Carolina, Ohio
00:45:07.200 They don't mind if you don't know
00:45:10.640 Exactly how they feel about this experiment
00:45:14.640 Smoking mirrors, firing ice
00:45:20.200 Everyone's got fine advice
00:45:22.980 And on and on and on and on it goes
00:45:26.940 Spin the heavies, dim the lights
00:45:32.340 All hell's coming loose tonight
00:45:35.160 But it's all just part of the show
00:45:38.980 Where were you standing
00:45:45.400 When the sirens start to sing
00:45:51.420 Out on the lookout
00:45:57.720 For the damnedest thing
00:46:21.420 with your garden you know you were speaking about your garden the banana trees and 0.92
00:46:34.040 these plants that are that smell good that are alluring and colorful and probably call people
00:46:41.500 to them and i'm sure as well there's pollinators and birds and um and on all sorts of diversity
00:46:49.300 of plants and then other creatures that come to the garden as well. And I'm wondering when people
00:46:53.840 see your space, do you think that there is a value shift that starts happening when they see
00:47:00.380 not just the abundance of plants, but the entire bird pollinator fungal community that's coming
00:47:07.560 together around that? Do you think that that starts to shift a value system? Of course it
00:47:12.820 shifts the value system. You realize that we're not here alone, that everything on this planet
00:47:19.160 and the planet and everything is is alive everything around you is alive and you were
00:47:24.580 saying about the plants calling you yes there's you can look at there's videos online where people
00:47:30.240 have connected electrodes to the plants and amplified the sounds that they're giving off
00:47:35.700 and every plant is given off a separate sound and it sounds like an orchestra i this girl did it
00:47:41.700 this demonstration in this little room of and she wired all the plants and there was one plant
00:47:47.700 it was giving this bass sound like a move move move and i'm like what is that she says that's
00:47:54.400 the anthurium i'm like no what is the bass sound she said that's the plant and this other plant
00:47:59.280 was going ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding and that's all it
00:48:03.780 did and it was amazing so all of this stuff together in this room it was like the sound
00:48:09.260 orchestra so they do give off energy plants are alive when you look at sunflowers what do they
00:48:15.960 try to find. The sun, where do they point to? When you get a piece of garlic and it starts growing
00:48:22.060 the green out, we've been taught to throw that away. Now, what you should do is put that in the
00:48:28.000 ground so you can have a whole nother bulb of garlic. We're not trained like that. Plants are
00:48:33.080 alive just like the earth is alive, like water. Water is alive. We don't, but we think we turn on
00:48:40.120 the faucet and they come on, but we don't treat it like it's this element. It's alive. That's why
00:48:44.900 it will mildew. That's why it would stink, because it's alive. It's like food, food that doesn't
00:48:50.100 mildew, that doesn't, you know, that doesn't get mowed on it. We got a problem, you got a problem.
00:48:56.020 So yeah, it does, it does change people's consciousness all of a sudden. I haven't seen
00:49:00.580 a dragonfly in 20 years and, you know, and stuff like that. I have birds that literally to come to
00:49:05.360 my garden that I've never seen in my life in South Central. It really also shows the resiliency
00:49:11.700 of mother nature and it's a domino effect when you start to tend the land the birds the bees the
00:49:20.680 dragonflies all these incredible creatures they're probably sensing your uh energetic orchestra
00:49:27.980 they do of you of your land of how you're you're putting so much care into it and how the community
00:49:35.780 grows and i feel it's such an amazing lesson to take a moment and be allured in to then see oh
00:49:43.780 wow this is and i think it also i know for me it helps me see that there is such a bigger much
00:49:50.920 bigger system going on than even the system that is trying to control us all there's a much much
00:49:56.100 bigger uh you said trying to control us all we'll take out the trying we can erase the trying part
00:50:04.080 from that. Yeah, controlling us all. It's, I'm honestly really imagining what your garden must
00:50:11.340 look like and how people, like you said, people just walking down the street and smiling when
00:50:17.080 they see a sunflower. I mean, these are really powerful acts that because we don't value them
00:50:22.080 and because we're so infiltrated by commercials, social media, it takes us away from that power.
00:50:29.600 So I love all that you've been sharing with us.
00:50:33.160 And I know that you're really busy on the road.
00:50:36.780 And so perhaps we can wrap up the conversation with just if you could share with us, you
00:50:42.620 know, what's the next year look like for you?
00:50:46.000 How can people get involved?
00:50:47.560 What kind of support are you calling in for your projects?
00:50:53.160 And yeah, how can people learn more?
00:50:56.420 they can go on our website with the function which is happening june the 30th at vermont square park
00:51:02.920 it's just a fun field way that we show people how to have fun with very little effort and it's free
00:51:10.860 for the whole community and there's everything from circus training to weaving to we have people
00:51:18.520 who make pottery and jump rope and tug of war and dancing and live groups and we had someone
00:51:26.320 last year that you get to make your own facial care products so it's just a fun thing you know
00:51:31.660 one of the one you made me think of one of the things recently i have a neighbor down the street
00:51:37.120 and her daughters they i have this this hut a twig hut they call it that's been built on the street
00:51:42.540 right on the street and they come they used to come in and play with their dowels and different
00:51:47.300 things and then all of a sudden i noticed all my blackberries would be missing and they would they
00:51:52.500 So they would come early and eat all my blackberries. But I just last week they came by and they they brought a friend and they just ran and start eating nasturtiums out of the garden.
00:52:05.360 I asked her, I said, what have you created? She says, I didn't do this. You did.
00:52:09.140 You know, and it made me think all of a sudden that I got these young girls that are running to the garden to eat flowers out of the garden.
00:52:17.800 So, yeah, it could happen. Again, it goes back beauty in, beauty out. I literally get to see a change that I've had a hand in making, and I'm honored by that.
00:52:30.220 Well, thank you, Ron. I'm honored to have had this conversation with you today and all of the places you went with us and really helping.
00:52:42.660 I'm sorry.
00:52:43.500 No, I love it. I love it. Because like you said, we got to get between the ears. We have to shake each other up to shake off the conditioning so that we can start to see clearly and start to value clearly. And we need people like you who can crack and find the fissures in our conditioning to break it.
00:53:08.680 And so I really loved it. I loved being able to talk about college and the prison industrial complex and the nonprofit industrial complex and food growing. And I really loved hearing from you how it isn't for you about farming or growing other people's food.
00:53:25.840 It is, yes, growing your own food, but it's about the self-actualized sustainability of one's self to have the skills, to grow the confidence, to value oneself, to value one's own skills for self-sufficiency.
00:53:43.880 that is huge that that really is a is something that isn't talked about because it's been so
00:53:51.260 overshadowed by celebrity consumerism alcohol on and on and on like all the things you've talked
00:53:57.900 about so i i just really appreciate everywhere you went i appreciate you giving me the time
00:54:04.360 to um have this conversation with you
00:54:13.880 It's high on a mountain, the warm winds are blowing
00:54:33.300 And where the winds are blowing to, there ain't no way of knowing
00:54:38.180 The mountain grass is short
00:54:41.680 It's dry and close to burning
00:54:44.340 Crying out for water
00:54:47.580 As the season's turning
00:54:50.420 Thank you for listening to For the Wild podcast.
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00:55:36.440 There's tall western cedar
00:55:39.440 Drifting on the wind
00:55:42.440 Through the mountains like a river