Maintenance Phase - May 01, 2025


BONUS: MAHA's First 90 Days

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00:00:00.000 we're tagline us tag it tag it the podcast with rotting teeth because there's no fluoride in
00:00:16.780 the water anymore no no i got it the podcast all right do it do it do it hi everybody and
00:00:21.500 welcome to maintenance phase the podcast that is banned in the eu but somehow allowed in the
00:00:26.080 united states that's really good actually that also might be true at some point although the
00:00:31.120 opposite way around we might be banned in america but allowed in the eu i'm aubrey gordon i'm michael
00:00:38.860 hobbs if you would like to support the show you're already doing that thank you so much or
00:00:43.320 are you or are you so as part of our effort to both address like what is going on in the country
00:00:52.200 but also not to lose our minds and also not to make like mega bummer episodes for the rest of
00:00:57.380 our lives we are going to start doing these kind of periodic check-ins on sort of the the health
00:01:04.500 grifters in office yeah that is the point of this episode officially it's a bonus episode but we're
00:01:08.660 going to put it in the main feed because we think that this stuff is important uh and people should
00:01:12.820 know about it we want everyone to be aware of precisely how bleak it is yeah we want to put
00:01:18.700 are like most bummer episodes free to the public it's so like emotionally crushing to exist in the
00:01:25.980 news landscape that we exist in right now yes and i think there are ways in which it feels like both
00:01:32.380 really important and oddly sort of refreshing to just go okay here are the moving parts here's
00:01:38.180 what's moving forward here's what's not rather than just like the wave of emotions crashing over
00:01:43.900 us all the time for this episode like i just went on the hhs website and pulled every single press
00:01:49.020 release and we're gonna talk chronologically about like what rfk jr has done with effectively
00:01:55.200 the first two months that he's been in power in my sort of end of the research for today which is
00:01:59.680 like little some profiles of some like public figures who are supporters of maha stuff aubrey's
00:02:04.600 are comic relief for this episode it's not very comical and there won't be relief but there was
00:02:11.420 one of the people that i looked into had a quote that was like i'm fully supportive of rfk jr's
00:02:16.300 quest to find the cause of autism and the way that they put it was to really get to the bottom 0.93
00:02:23.100 of what's going on there yeah this is another fucking thing as a queer person who lived through 0.98
00:02:28.640 the 90s i absolutely remember the like quest for the gay gene this gets us into it because the 0.93
00:02:35.220 first thing we're going to do is an audio visual element so on february 13th rfk jr was confirmed 0.60
00:02:42.980 so that's kind of where our story starts like the minute he takes power he deleted all of his
00:02:47.060 previous tweets from before this date one of the first thing he tweets is like a public statement
00:02:52.920 of like now that i'm in power like this is what you can expect for me and both of us i i wanted
00:02:58.040 i wanted to do this like privately with you because our brains are broken in exactly the
00:03:02.500 same way, but we'll just do it on the show. Michael, I just, I would like to dispute that
00:03:06.380 our brains are not broken in exactly the same way. I watched 10 hours of Montana state legislature
00:03:12.960 floor session yesterday. I think you were going to talk about how your brain is broken in the 0.75
00:03:16.580 true crime way, which mine is not broken in. That's also true. My brain is also broken in
00:03:22.140 the true crime way. Okay. I'm going to send you this link. This is RFK Jr.'s little statement,
00:03:27.580 And we are going to make like little ding sounds every time there's a conspiracy dog whistle.
00:03:35.040 Can this be our sound for when there's a...
00:03:37.420 Wait, what do you have?
00:03:39.940 No, that's too happy.
00:03:41.400 That's too happy.
00:03:41.840 That's too happy?
00:03:42.360 We need like the X-Files theme to play.
00:03:45.160 Wait, hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:03:46.360 But we'll get sued at that.
00:03:46.940 We'll get sued.
00:03:47.320 I got another one.
00:03:48.180 Michael, I have a few of these.
00:03:50.240 We could do this every time.
00:03:54.340 Dude, I'm going to put on the rap air horn.
00:03:56.340 Hang on.
00:03:56.600 We should remix the two together.
00:03:58.580 It's going to end up happening because there's going to be so many of these.
00:04:01.060 Ruh, ruh, ruh, remix.
00:04:05.060 I was about to tell you not to tell anyone I did that, but then I realized I did it into
00:04:08.860 a microphone.
00:04:09.300 Into a microphone to many, many people.
00:04:14.180 Okay, here's this.
00:04:16.640 Did you get it?
00:04:17.160 So wait, what are we?
00:04:17.840 Remind me what we're dinging.
00:04:18.960 Dog whistles for conspiracy theories.
00:04:21.020 Okay, ready?
00:04:21.880 All right, do it.
00:04:23.880 Hi, I'm Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
00:04:25.400 you're on my first day at work here at HHS. I want to take this moment to say a few words both to my
00:04:32.440 supporters of the Make America Healthy Again movement, but also to all of the American public.
00:04:38.580 I could read you a list of statistics proving that Americans suffer far higher levels of chronic
00:04:44.320 disease, obesity, addiction, cancer, infertility, and depression. Infertility. And ever before in
00:04:51.740 history and more than any other country in the world. You already know that. It's pretty obvious
00:04:56.660 that something has gone terribly wrong with our health. I'm also not going to tell you the reasons
00:05:01.980 for this decline. Why? Because neither I nor anyone else can be certain. See? What I will tell you is
00:05:09.140 that we are going to find out and we are going to do something about it. No one else was trying.
00:05:13.080 My commitment to you is that we're going to make chronic disease our top priority. In our first
00:05:18.480 hundred days we're going to examine every possible contributing factor to the epidemic every factor
00:05:23.440 we will leave no stone unturned we're going to listen to the experts and to the dissidents and
00:05:29.340 the dissidents we're going to listen to insiders and to the whistleblowers whistleblowers we're
00:05:33.940 going to listen to the doctors and we're going to listen to the moms we will examine our food
00:05:39.360 our medicine our water our lifestyles and our environment everything that goes into america's
00:05:45.680 audience we have to find something we care about more than being right more than political advantage
00:05:51.920 and more than financial profit financial profit the health of our children is a higher calling
00:05:56.880 for all of us and here's another promise we're going to usher in a new era of transparency
00:06:02.880 in all of our health agencies there's going to be no more hidden conflicts of interest
00:06:08.080 no more secrecy no more profiteering from the substances that we're supposed to be regulating
00:06:13.760 that's why we're going to deregulate them dude i i i sort of hate this thing because it makes
00:06:21.680 it it makes me realize what a like tinfoil hat person i sound like because if you took the 0.52
00:06:26.300 transcript of this and you were like oh like a normal politician said this most of it i'd be
00:06:31.640 like yeah fine like chronic illness is a problem in america and like yeah we should have government
00:06:36.100 transparency i mean a lot of the stuff he's saying on the surface kind of sounds fine 0.94
00:06:40.140 but also when you know the way that he spent his career and when you know the fucking anti-vax
00:06:45.420 talking points this stuff about like we're not going to cave in to big pharma the infertility 0.95
00:06:50.720 stuff we're finally going to have a conversation where we listen to the dissidents oh we're finally
00:06:56.100 going to hear from people outside of like the expert consensus it's all conspiracy nonsense
00:07:00.320 well and if you're not good at making your extremism sound reasonable then you're not
00:07:04.480 very good at your extremism exactly yeah yeah that's a good way to put it so to get into sort
00:07:09.440 of the meat of this because i think if you're someone who doesn't follow this very closely
00:07:12.460 this can all sound kind of reasonable like you know why are like people like mike and aubrey like
00:07:16.200 why are they trying to block this guy who like all he wants to look at is chronic illness right
00:07:19.440 but the minute you go like half an inch below the surface you find i'm not talking about like
00:07:25.420 conspiracy talking points i'm talking about actual misinformation i do like that you're like
00:07:29.660 hey you might be thinking i've never listened to this show before why do these people yeah
00:07:34.900 What's going on?
00:07:35.840 Hey, non-listeners of our show. 1.00
00:07:38.160 These bad faith people. 1.00
00:07:40.160 Hey, people who aren't listening. 0.98
00:07:42.420 So one of his first acts in office was to have what's being known as like the Maha Executive
00:07:48.100 Order, like the statement of purpose of like, here's what we're going to do as like the
00:07:52.420 Make America Healthy Again movement.
00:07:54.180 And so we are going to read some excerpts from it.
00:07:58.940 Section one, purpose.
00:08:00.620 American life expectancy significantly lags behind other developed countries, with pre-COVID-19 United States life expectancy averaging 78.8 years and comparable countries averaging 82.6 years.
00:08:15.120 Six in ten Americans have at least one chronic disease, and four in ten have two or more chronic diseases.
00:08:22.000 An estimated one in five United States adults lives with a mental illness. 1.00
00:08:26.340 In a vacuum, all of these statistics are roughly true. 1.00
00:08:28.600 Then we get to the next paragraph.
00:08:58.600 So this is straightforwardly false. America does not have the highest cancer incidence in the world. And we've seen a decrease, a significant decrease in cancer incidence and cancer mortality over the last 30 years, according to the American Cancer Society. This is not true that like every single thing that he's talking about is getting worse.
00:09:17.140 The thing that gets left out of the conversation about stuff like this is, like, actually how much treatment has progressed of all of these things, how much detection has progressed of all of these things.
00:09:27.800 Yeah, if you look at the sort of league tables published by the World Cancer Research Fund, the country with the highest cancer incidence is not America, it's Australia. And that's mostly skin cancer. And part of that is because Australia is like close to the hole in the ozone layer and like is full of white people who are susceptible to skin cancer.
00:09:45.200 but it's also because Australia has very sophisticated systems for detecting skin 0.98
00:09:49.440 cancer early and treating it. So the fact that Australia has high cancer incidence is in some
00:09:54.940 ways actually good news. It means that they're catching it early. And if you look at the year, 0.99
00:09:59.380 he's citing 2021 data, but that's kind of a perfect illustration of this concept because
00:10:03.840 in 2020, we had an almost 10% drop in cancer incidence, which is like totally unprecedented.
00:10:09.560 Like you never get a fall on cancer that dramatic. But of course, it's not because cancer fell by 10%.
00:10:14.280 It's because all the hospitals were closed because of the pandemic.
00:10:16.620 And then, of course, cancer incidents skyrocketed in 2021 because people were getting screened again.
00:10:21.740 This is the problem with the whole like muddy way that he's presenting this, that high cancer rates aren't necessarily bad news.
00:10:28.020 And a drop in cancer incidents isn't good news.
00:10:31.500 It could be less cancer, but it could also just be less cancer screening.
00:10:34.280 Yeah, there's a real bizarre sort of arrogance to, well, two things.
00:10:39.440 One, there's a real bizarre arrogance to assuming that because we don't have answers that are like definitive and sort of set in stone, that that means no one's trying.
00:10:50.040 Yeah, exactly.
00:10:50.620 That's a really, really strange, only I can fix it kind of attitude, right? 0.99
00:10:56.460 And why does shit keep leaving my brain, Michael? 0.99
00:11:01.840 I love it when you do two things, one, and then you forget your second thing. 0.99
00:11:04.740 i hate it so much this is why as a person in my 40s i never say two things one because i know
00:11:14.740 i'm gonna forget the second one that needs to be left behind in my 30s i've i've noticed this
00:11:20.800 when i'm editing too there'll be like the real problem is a and then i talk and i just never
00:11:25.360 get to be i'm just gonna cut out me saying a our listeners don't need to know how broken
00:11:32.400 our middle-aged brains are you know i'm just gonna cut out this part yeah i mean there's it's really
00:11:38.280 strangely arrogant to assume that because we don't have hard and fast answers that no one's looking
00:11:44.300 and it also feels like there is this sort of you have no idea where you're going with this
00:11:50.760 it's okay aubrey we can just move on it was back i had it and it was back we have so many more
00:11:56.460 excerpts you'll get there it'll come back i know i know it will i'm so sorry just read this excerpt
00:12:00.840 okay i'm reading an excerpt i'm sending you a thing about chronic conditions this poses a dire
00:12:04.880 threat to the american people and our way of life 77 percent of young adults do not qualify for the
00:12:11.620 military based in large part on their health scores you're always talking about this you're
00:12:16.100 always like young people aren't qualifying for the military and i'm like aubrey we can't do a
00:12:19.080 whole episode about this is actually like one of the big anti-fat talking points no i know 2000s
00:12:24.080 yeah it's nuts we're not going to be able to invade canada because people are too fat i'll
00:12:28.300 be like okay how are we gonna annex greenland when we're all this fat like uh-oh well that's 0.98
00:12:34.080 a sacrifice i have to make so be it nobody tell them about fat deadlifters 90 of the nation's
00:12:40.460 4.5 trillion dollars in annual health care expenditures is for people with chronic and
00:12:45.700 mental health conditions in short americans of all ages are becoming sicker beset by illnesses
00:12:52.100 that our medical system is not addressing effectively so this is a talking point that
00:12:56.180 returns to over and over again. Like this is what's like crippling the country is that like
00:13:00.200 we're spending all this money on these chronic conditions that can easily be prevented through
00:13:04.940 like lifestyle. This whole concept is like completely bunk though, because the definition
00:13:09.140 of a chronic condition is just anything which affects your daily functioning and anything
00:13:13.460 that lasts for more than a year. And so this document itself even mentions earlier, roughly
00:13:17.760 60% of Americans have one chronic condition or another. So I have one, I have carpal tunnel
00:13:22.420 syndrome, that's something that's been going on for more than a year. If you have like back pain,
00:13:26.660 one of the other ones mentioned is tooth decay. Most of this is just people getting diagnosed
00:13:31.540 with things and also people living longer. So among people over 65, 95% of them have a
00:13:38.520 chronic illness. The thing about 90% of our healthcare spending goes to people with chronic
00:13:42.900 conditions is mostly just a function of the fact that the vast majority of healthcare spending is
00:13:47.240 spent on older people. Older people happen to be sicker. And when you're sicker, you require more 0.85
00:13:52.100 money to get care and also older people are the only people who get nationalized health care well
00:13:58.000 that's the thing i mean a lot of people have numerous conditions and like the fact that the
00:14:02.800 health care system is spending money on them is an indicator that like people are receiving
00:14:07.060 health care like a health care system that only responds to acute issues like you you know you
00:14:12.080 get hit by a car and you like break your shoulder that's not a real health care system a health care
00:14:16.280 system is going to focus on longer term care and it's going to spend money on care. This is actually
00:14:22.260 evidence against the thing that he's talking about. It's actually evidence that the entire
00:14:26.960 medical system does in fact care about chronic conditions already. It's really maddening. I mean,
00:14:32.940 I think you see a similar thing when you look at the numbers around like diabetes, for example,
00:14:37.460 age-based prevalence of diabetes goes like through the roof for seniors, right? There is a bunch of
00:14:44.240 stuff that is to your point all stuff that is like an outgrowth of living as long as we now live
00:14:50.500 right it's really easy to see those as remedial problems that we have somehow brought on ourselves
00:14:56.320 and not actually like in the scheme of things good new problems that are like yeah people aren't
00:15:01.580 dying at 30 anymore yeah we're addressing the issues that people actually have it doesn't mean
00:15:06.480 that there aren't still issues to address but it does mean that it it doesn't necessarily mean that
00:15:11.060 we've been like fucking it up real hard yeah it also definitely doesn't follow that someone
00:15:15.620 acknowledging the prevalence of chronic illnesses is therefore equipped and qualified to find 0.75
00:15:22.240 solutions right this is the other piece that feels like it's big here is that like when we have this
00:15:28.560 sort of like ah this thing is important and uh-oh we don't know what to do about it yet there are
00:15:33.160 two things that can sort of swoop in to fill that gap one is worldview right and i think rfp juniors
00:15:40.860 worldview is swooping in in a big way and the other is marketing and like we'll get into this
00:15:46.040 with the influencer side but like the marketing side is like alive and well right like a bunch of
00:15:51.640 the influencers who've attached to the maha stuff have done so i would argue because there is such
00:15:58.440 an opportunity to like get boosted to a new level of audience and to get to sell your products this
00:16:03.360 is yet another theme that emerged in a lot of the hhs stuff that i read is that he has like the 0.74
00:16:08.900 worldview and the orientation of a fucking influencer not a person of science yep right 0.86
00:16:13.860 because a person of science would be familiar enough with statistics not to like lie in the 0.96
00:16:18.000 third paragraph of their sort of flagship executive order and also this thing of like you know we're
00:16:25.000 finally gonna study it and like oh we're gonna listen to the whistleblowers and stuff this is
00:16:29.060 like what people say on tiktok who like don't actually know anything and aren't familiar with
00:16:33.120 the science like you don't want people like this running things i want to be precise about something
00:16:37.780 which is like, the chances are that RFK Jr. is not personally sitting down and writing this
00:16:42.740 executive order. Maybe he is, probably not. I think it's also an issue if he is not able to
00:16:48.860 hire and supervise staff in such a way that they can actually accurately fact check things.
00:16:54.680 It's an institutional problem. It is an institutional problem. And you could
00:16:58.400 absolutely see this guy, like, just, you could imagine this guy sending something back because
00:17:03.020 it's not the numbers that comport with his worldview rather than that it's not accurate
00:17:07.200 Right. Even though the vast majority of like chronic conditions in America are among older
00:17:12.180 people, he then switches to chronic childhood conditions because this is yet again, like the
00:17:17.800 way that you market your thing of like, we're finally going to take care of children. I looked
00:17:21.380 this up around 30% of kids have a chronic condition, but things like learning disabilities
00:17:27.100 and ADHD are considered chronic conditions for kids. So if you look at like the sort of
00:17:32.600 distribution. It's primarily ADHD, learning disabilities, and asthma. Around 10% of kids
00:17:39.840 have asthma. More kids getting diagnosed with learning disabilities, I think is a good thing. 1.00
00:17:44.480 I think if kids need help and they're getting the help that they need, it's now about 8% of kids
00:17:48.860 have a learning disability of some kind or another. I don't think that's like a crazy high
00:17:52.800 number. We're not talking about like 96% of kids have a learning disability. That doesn't indicate
00:17:57.080 like over diagnosis to me and like some kids do have fucking adhd and like it's really great that 0.82
00:18:04.280 people are also getting diagnosed with asthma early right i also think like it's easy to forget 0.94
00:18:08.900 what the cultural dialogue was around adhd in the 90s and 2000s and that was it's all made up
00:18:16.820 psychiatrists are pushing these medications on your kids who don't need them yeah it's over
00:18:23.600 diagnosed and the medications themselves might be the issue. Yeah. And I think you can sort of see
00:18:28.920 some of that peeking through here, right. As a core assumption, right. It also like the thing
00:18:35.240 that makes me like so profoundly uncomfortable with so much of his rhetoric is like the assumption
00:18:39.840 is that neurodivergent kids are a problem to be fixed. Yeah. Yeah. We have to find out the cause
00:18:45.100 of autism so that there are not more autistic kids to find out the cause of ADHD food dies
00:18:51.200 question mark yeah yeah it's so sort of divorced from the science around those things and it is so
00:18:57.000 it so speaks to the sort of like both the like panic around those issues and also a likely
00:19:02.080 discomfort with people he's also so obsessed with the statistic that one in 31 kids have autism now
00:19:10.180 experts say that it's more like one in 36 but like that's three percent of kids and like that doesn't
00:19:15.900 sound nuts to me i'm just like yeah around three percent of kids have this thing that is relatively
00:19:21.480 rare but is also a real thing in the population like is three percent the wrong number that seems
00:19:26.320 okay it's like claiming to care about these conditions while like pretty overtly increasing
00:19:32.220 the stigma facing people who have those conditions and that's the thing that pisses me off and also i
00:19:37.040 just feel like i know a lot of people who are struggling with that stigma part yeah and i'm
00:19:41.640 like this isn't helping okay final excerpt Aubrey get your slide whistle out the ostensible purpose
00:19:46.680 of this executive order is to set up this commission that is going to study quote unquote
00:19:50.760 finally study these issues and so I'm going to read you a couple excerpts from the sort of purpose
00:19:55.940 of like the the commission and like what it's going to do and I want you to like use your
00:20:01.100 little slide whistle when you hear like a conspiracy talking point I now all of a sudden
00:20:06.340 have test anxiety where I'm like oh no am I gonna fail just use it the whole time Aubrey just as
00:20:11.300 background noise. Okay, so this is like the purpose of these assessments that it's going to
00:20:17.000 produce. One, identify and describe childhood chronic disease in America compared to other
00:20:21.940 countries. Two, assess the threat that potential over-utilization of medication, certain food
00:20:27.300 ingredients, certain chemicals, and certain other exposures posed to children with respect to
00:20:32.220 chronic inflammation or other established mechanism of disease. Assess the prevalence
00:20:36.740 and threat posed by prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, antipsychotics,
00:20:41.820 mood stabilizers, stimulants, and weight loss drugs.
00:20:45.340 Identify and report on best practices for preventing childhood health issues, including
00:20:49.160 through proper nutrition and the promotion of healthy lifestyles.
00:20:53.840 He also has a thing earlier in the document where he talks about electromagnetic radiation.
00:20:57.840 I do have to say it was very funny to go through that whole thing and just silently,
00:21:02.540 soberly slide whistle.
00:21:04.340 That's what these updates are going to be from now on.
00:21:06.180 just mike reading and aubrey with her slide whistle a 21 slide whistle salute
00:21:10.520 so this is again the thing that i would never stop shouting about all of these people saying
00:21:17.760 that like oh he just wants to like make americans eat better or whatever have to grapple with the 0.95
00:21:23.240 fact that what he is saying is full of fucking misinformation this thing of like selective 0.96
00:21:28.500 serotonin reuptake inhibitors are like making kids have autism or whatever has been looked at it's not 0.99
00:21:33.040 fucking true i mean a lot of this stuff is just like whack job blogosphere shit and i think it 0.98
00:21:39.100 plays to this sort of like oddly kind of like luddite undertone which is just like there are 0.99
00:21:44.520 new medical treatments they must be witchcraft right i don't know why weight loss drugs is on
00:21:49.000 here too that's interesting because he always talks about obesity and then he throws in he's
00:21:52.700 like we need to look into the influence of weight loss drugs yeah no he's very anti yeah very anti
00:21:57.820 everything he wants his wellness farms instead yeah i think the whole like the whole thing is
00:22:02.100 lifestyle he thinks that lifestyle can cure every single illness right which is what you think
00:22:06.680 when you have relatively good health yeah yeah your health care has always been provided to you
00:22:13.240 yeah and when you've been taught that health is a meritocracy and you get out of it what you put
00:22:20.060 into it which is not true of almost anything in this life to me it's like it's it's fundamentally
00:22:26.180 hierarchical it's like there's a good way to live and there's a bad way to live and if you're fat
00:22:30.460 it's because you're living in the bad way and if you live in the good way you won't be fat yeah and 0.97
00:22:34.960 like listen my good bitches if that is not like extremely conservative sort of fascistic thinking 0.99
00:22:42.760 like i can look at you and know everything i need to know about you like if someone is willing to 0.99
00:22:49.620 dehumanize anyone there is a good chance they are willing to dehumanize lots more people than just
00:22:56.640 that group, right? Speaking of dehumanizing, Aubrey. No, what a transition. The other kind
00:23:03.220 of like first hundred days, like my first action in office thing that RFK Jr. does is he joins
00:23:08.900 the Trump administration's other ongoing witch hunts. So on February 19th, he puts out guidance
00:23:14.660 saying HHS takes action on President Trump's executive orders defending women and children. 0.98
00:23:20.680 This is the garbage about it. Like there's only two genders. And like we finally, we're finally 1.00
00:23:24.500 going to go back to only having two genders. And I just want to read a quote from RFK Jr.
00:23:28.180 because I think there's still like a little bit of residue of like, well, he's a Kennedy and like
00:23:32.960 he ran as a Democrat and like maybe he's not so bad. So here is a quote from him. He says,
00:23:40.040 actually, I'll send it to you. This administration is bringing back common sense and restoring
00:23:44.020 biological truth to the federal government. The prior administration's policy of trying to
00:23:49.480 engineer gender ideology into every aspect of public life is over so no point in going into
00:23:56.280 this in any more depth we've done like a million podcasts about it but like this is of course a 0.99
00:24:00.380 deranged bigoted moral panic but i just want to emphasize it like rfk jr is like a piece of shit 1.00
00:24:06.860 on trans rights the same way that every other fucking republican is a piece of shit on trans 1.00
00:24:10.080 rights also people will argue he's not a republican i would argue you accepted a position 1.00
00:24:16.160 with the trump administration i don't know whatever republican than that right immediately
00:24:20.560 after this he rescinds a biden executive order basically saying that like gender affirming care 0.96
00:24:25.860 is fine and attacks on gender affirming care banning a form of fucking health care by law 0.60
00:24:30.620 all of this is illegitimate the biden administration put out this executive order hhs rescinds it 1.00
00:24:36.300 fuck off asshole he also uh launches an investigation of maine for allowing trans kids 1.00
00:24:43.120 in sports. The governor of Maine is a Democrat. And then now the Trump administration is quite 1.00
00:24:48.000 just sort of openly illegally threatening to revoke all federal funding from the entire state
00:24:52.640 over this. So this is like an ongoing legal battle. And then this is just last week. He announced
00:24:57.740 that there's going to be an online portal run by HHS where, quote, whistleblowers can submit a tip
00:25:05.740 or complaint regarding the chemical and surgical mutilation of children to the HHS Office of 1.00
00:25:12.040 inspector general jesus fucking so this is again just classic fascist shit they set up these 1.00
00:25:17.100 fucking hotlines they had one under the first trump administration about immigrant crime 1.00
00:25:20.960 right what they do is they cast this net super wide they get a million reports a lot of them are 0.99
00:25:26.000 really bad faith like oh the school nurse is like doing surgery on kids or whatever and more people
00:25:31.320 get caught up in this insane dragnet of like deportations getting disappeared off the street
00:25:36.560 This is very, very like classic authoritarian stuff.
00:25:40.420 Gender affirming care for kids is like you can go to you can go to hospital websites and be like, what do you offer? 0.64
00:25:45.620 Like when are appointments available?
00:25:46.880 This is not like a clandestine secret thing.
00:25:49.580 This is like a part of health care and studies about it are published in peer reviewed journals.
00:25:53.880 The idea that we'd have like a whistleblower hotline about it is absurd.
00:25:56.620 It's like whistleblowers about like knee replacements or something.
00:25:59.200 It's like a normal part of health care.
00:26:00.820 The concept of whistleblowing is like the idea that you would blow the whistle on internal operations of a company or institution that is systematically breaking the law.
00:26:12.140 Right. Exactly.
00:26:12.840 Or committing unethical acts.
00:26:14.840 Which, again, we have no evidence of in gender affirming care at all.
00:26:17.520 What we have evidence of is patients who want care seeking out that care and sometimes being denied that care.
00:26:25.700 Yeah.
00:26:25.840 Right. Like if there's a problem here, it has much more to do with denials of care than it has to do with...
00:26:30.820 like it's run amok or whatever the other witch hunt that he's joining is the administration's
00:26:35.920 crackdown on quote-unquote anti-semitism oh no so on february 5th the hhs announces that it's
00:26:42.320 initiating investigations of four medical schools for anti-semitic incidents at their commencement
00:26:48.960 addresses and i was like i haven't heard of this like were people throwing things like was no 0.94
00:26:54.160 someone fucking wore a palestine flag pin or some shit aubrey it's gonna be nothing i'm sending you 0.94
00:27:02.380 the link i'm sending you the link i'm sending you the link so i googled this i was like commencement 0.98
00:27:06.860 medical schools like it's a very specific thing right and the hhs press release doesn't name the
00:27:11.880 schools or like what happens i was like where are they even getting this this goes to one article
00:27:17.380 called medical schools 2024 commencements and anti-semitism colon addressing unprofessional
00:27:25.240 behavior this is like this random academic article scroll down aubrey to figure one
00:27:30.040 it's in like a different color than the rest of the text it's images of different scarves that
00:27:35.380 people are wearing with their graduation robes some of them are wearing keffias some of them
00:27:41.120 are wearing palestinian flag scarves that's it it's not anti-semitic remotely to do that like
00:27:48.600 these are not anti-semitic incidents at commencement addresses like they're just not
00:27:52.420 so fucking frustrating because the anti-semitism is a super real thing and it's wild to watch this
00:27:58.740 administration just appropriate it as a way of quashing political speech oh also you can scroll 0.97
00:28:05.120 down to figure two if you want which is like right down there i don't want but i will and
00:28:09.520 These are, like, anti-Semitic slogans that the students were holding, allegedly.
00:28:14.680 One of them says, stop bombing hospitals.
00:28:18.080 It's not like this is, like, misinformation or something.
00:28:20.540 Like, this group is being falsely accused of something.
00:28:22.960 Like, this is happening. 0.99
00:28:24.540 So to say that this is a fucking anti-Semitic slur and that somehow this kid, 0.99
00:28:28.340 which, like, I think is relatively brave for putting this on at their fucking commencement, 1.00
00:28:32.400 this person is the problem rather than the bombing of fucking hospitals? 0.99
00:28:36.080 There's another one that is someone crossing the stage to presumably accept their degree and unfolding a banner that says, 0.99
00:28:45.460 End Genocide, Apartheid, Zionism, and something, something, something that I can't read, and then Free Palestine.
00:28:52.060 It says, End Your Complicity.
00:28:53.480 End Your Complicity, Free Palestine. 0.92
00:28:55.540 The core problem is the idea that we need some sort of exotic explanation for why young people would be offended at, like, entire cities being raised to the ground and, like, children starving. 0.83
00:29:07.160 Why doctors would not want hospitals to be bombed.
00:29:12.480 I don't need an alternate explanation for this.
00:29:14.320 Like, wow, why are people doing this, like, totally irresponsible thing?
00:29:18.040 It's like, no, I think very straightforwardly people are offended by images of children starving. 0.97
00:29:21.880 the idea that we're like casting around for like what are their real motivations is fucking insane
00:29:25.940 so anyway this article as far as i can tell is like the only place previous to this hhs press 0.77
00:29:32.620 release where this like anti-semitic incidents at commencement addresses like thing was put
00:29:38.440 forward so like we don't know what the consequences on these schools will be but like this is like a
00:29:43.620 this becoming a real thing that people with power are wielding yeah and when you line that up with
00:29:47.780 trying to rescind the tax statuses of universities,
00:29:50.540 trying to sort of pull grants and funding.
00:29:54.460 Like there's just like so much
00:29:56.160 very clearly politicized manipulation happening here.
00:29:59.600 So there's also one, we won't get as into it,
00:30:01.180 but there's also one about DEI.
00:30:03.260 There's a deranged article in the Washington Free Beacon
00:30:05.960 about UCLA Medical School.
00:30:08.320 They're giving in the woke DEI 0.59
00:30:10.540 and that like they don't have as many white students anymore, 0.52
00:30:13.660 something, something.
00:30:14.260 Finally, someone's looking out for white medical students. 0.73
00:30:17.940 I'll finally have a white doctor in my life.
00:30:20.060 The article itself has statistics indicating that this has not happened.
00:30:24.320 It says that like they've appointed this like mega DEI president of UCLA Medical School and it has statistics.
00:30:29.560 Basically, there's the same number of white people from 2020 to 2024, but there are now fewer Asian people and more Hispanics.
00:30:36.780 So like that has shifted.
00:30:37.840 but like the idea that like there's no merit-based admissions like this is just like
00:30:42.380 classic right-wing moral panic garbage but of course hhs is now joining this and is like
00:30:47.800 investigating ucla so again we see this pipeline from like bad faith right-wing tabloid nonsense 0.98
00:30:54.200 into like actual government policy god damn it okay now that you're all pissed off let's talk 0.71
00:31:00.680 about influencers let's talk about influencers it's not gonna get better well i'm excited though 0.95
00:31:05.100 anyway do you want to know why it's not gonna do you want to know who our first influencer is
00:31:08.860 katie perry in space jillian michaels oh yeah who we talk about off the show like pretty frequently 0.99
00:31:15.480 but we finally get to talk about her on the show everybody wants a mean lesbian but then she shows 1.00
00:31:20.760 up it's all fun and games that she's on white lotus but in real life
00:31:26.820 so michael while you were looking into the sort of official maha agenda thus far i was looking
00:31:37.660 into some of the public figures that have lined up behind rfk jr in particular and one of his
00:31:44.840 biggest champions is queen gremlin herself jillian michaels friend of the show enemy of the show
00:31:53.020 Jillian Michaels for folks who are unfamiliar Jillian Michaels was the trainer on the biggest
00:32:00.660 loser Mike do you are there any particular memories that you have of you did our biggest
00:32:05.900 loser episode all I remember is her like lying down so she could yell at someone like closer
00:32:11.320 to their face when they were like doing push-ups that's the image that has burned into my mind of 0.95
00:32:16.840 like it's not enough for me to be shitty to you from like three feet away I need to be like six
00:32:21.000 inches away i will say as someone who recently re-watched some biggest loser episodes i thought 0.89
00:32:27.180 she was awful and then i went back and watched those episodes and i was like oh my brain has
00:32:32.760 been going easy on jillian oh really she's so much worse when you go back and re-watch those
00:32:39.040 old episodes than you can even like imagine one of the big ones and we talked about this on our 0.74
00:32:44.740 episode was her shouting at a fat person on the biggest loser who was on a treadmill and was saying
00:32:51.860 like was like wheezing and saying i can't actually do this i need to take a break jillian michael 1.00
00:32:57.200 screaming at them at the top of her lungs the only way you're getting off that treadmill is in a body
00:33:01.920 bag nice it's just a thing that you say to people just as an adult a thing that you say to other
00:33:06.780 adults well it's motivating michael and you say it because you care i'm actually like a really 0.97
00:33:11.860 good person for being like a huge piece of shit to you in what i would argue is the least surprising 0.97
00:33:17.260 turn in human history jillian michaels is now a regular on fox news she is also on news nation 0.99
00:33:26.420 she recently wrote an op-ed for the daily mail about how being trans is the result of social
00:33:33.180 contagion and because people are just doing it because it's quote-unquote fashionable you're not
00:33:37.480 an athlete, Jillian. You just like work out. You're just like good at working out. She also
00:33:41.260 has a podcast called keeping it real. What? It's not even like a pun. It's not like biggest losing
00:33:48.180 my mind. If you go to Apple podcasts right now and you pull up her podcast, there will be three
00:33:55.000 recent guests just on the same screen without even like load more. Those guests include Candace
00:34:00.700 Owens, Bill O'Reilly and Alan Dershowitz. So she's in. She's not like one of the reasonable
00:34:06.280 ones she's like a full-on psycho she just sort of started popping up on these shows like five 1.00
00:34:13.360 to ten years ago part of it is she had this program called healthy wager she still runs it
00:34:20.360 that is the idea is you place a bet against yourself oh we've already talked about these
00:34:27.000 these are such garbage yeah and throughout all of this i think this is really interesting this
00:34:31.000 came up with a couple of the sort of like lady influencers that i looked into for this they're 0.98
00:34:36.020 continuing to be platformed by like entertainment news and women's media so like e-news keeps giving
00:34:42.300 a platform to julian michaels it's too e-news yeah with her fashion police it's really notable to me
00:34:51.640 how many of the folks that i started to sort of look into on this maha and started out with some
00:34:58.120 level of weight loss content right and i wanted to just lift up that like people who have strident
00:35:05.460 anti-fat views people who devote their time to making sure that other people look away that is
00:35:13.480 acceptable to them right are people who also buy into healthism and ableism in a really big way
00:35:20.780 right it's very similar to this all this garbage about like sort of anti-trans stuff but also just
00:35:25.620 like i had a purple-haired barista at starbucks and somehow that's like an imposition on my rights
00:35:31.120 it's just like a hatred of difference i think you're right about like a core discomfort with
00:35:37.200 difference and a core disdain for difference i think the thing two things one direction
00:35:46.000 two things what's the second thought leave all of you said one where's two
00:35:51.240 no the thing i was gonna say about julian michaels is that like the sort of core complaint that she
00:35:59.220 has about a number of things she is also very skeptical of ozempic she is also very skeptical
00:36:04.400 of weight loss surgery on the biggest loser she refers to it as and i quote taking the easy way
00:36:09.740 out which like i would encourage you to just pilot that just see how that goes over with anyone who
00:36:17.780 has had or performed weight loss surgery also just leave people alone the core assumption there
00:36:23.960 is that if fat people don't want to be treated badly, they should just not be fat, but also
00:36:30.560 don't be fat in the ways that I want you to not be fat, right? Which totally erases Jillian
00:36:38.020 Michael's own behavior from that equation, right? It totally absolves anyone who is treating fat 1.00
00:36:44.420 people like shit of having to think about their own behavior. And it's kind of thinking that shows 0.99
00:36:48.980 up in a lot of conservative politics right yeah it's the if that person didn't want to be sexually
00:36:55.120 assaulted they should have dressed differently or i shouldn't have been there right like it is all 0.98
00:36:59.160 of this sort of thinking that is like there are no aggressors there are only foolish people who 0.88
00:37:04.360 make themselves pray right that is the canary in the coal mine for a lot of people that their
00:37:10.260 politics might not be as like rock solid and they might not be as deeply empathetic
00:37:14.580 yeah they might want you to think although jillian michaels in fairness never wanted anyone to think 1.00
00:37:19.660 she was deeply empathetic that was never the message she's mean as hell but now she's just
00:37:23.800 mean as hell in a specific way so that one's just like a little like where are they now 0.89
00:37:27.440 the answer is they've gone from yelling at fat people to yelling about trans people and immigrants
00:37:32.880 on fox news i my next little section of like rfk jr stuff is like the sort of decent things that
00:37:39.160 he's done or like borderline decent things so maybe maybe this will lift us back up maybe this
00:37:43.020 lift our spirits. Are we talking about pharma ads? No, we are talking about the measles outbreak.
00:37:49.140 This is moving very fast. It's now in many states. There are two deaths so far. On March 3rd,
00:37:54.340 the HHS releases a press release called Measles Outbreak is a Call for Action to All of Us. And
00:37:59.800 this is written, sort of officially written by RFK Jr. The sub headline is MMR vaccine is crucial
00:38:06.960 to avoiding potentially deadly disease. Genuinely kind of stunning coming out of an administration
00:38:12.300 run by this guy. I was happy to see this. Like there were various things going around on social
00:38:16.540 media of like RFK Jr. defends measles vaccine. And I'm like, okay, great. Like lowest imaginal
00:38:20.820 bar. He cleared it. I'm happy about that. However, if you read the full public statement,
00:38:26.820 he also says some slightly more out of pocket things. So here is a paragraph from later in
00:38:32.220 the press. Shocking. It is also our responsibility to provide up to date guidance on available
00:38:38.200 therapeutic medications. While there is no approved antiviral for those who may be infected,
00:38:43.740 CDC has recently updated their recommendations supporting administration of vitamin A under
00:38:49.440 the supervision of a physician for those with mild, moderate, and severe infection. Studies
00:38:55.260 have found that vitamin A can dramatically reduce measles mortality. Boy, oh fucking boy. 1.00
00:39:02.520 So out of one side of his mouth, he's like, get the vaccine. And then out of the other, 1.00
00:39:06.400 he's like well but also you knew vitamin a because like vitamin vitamin a is like miracle take it 0.86
00:39:10.280 from a guy who had an eating disorder vitamin a is in fucking everything there is some data that
00:39:15.920 vitamin a can kind of like in an inchoate way help strengthen your immune system when you have 0.81
00:39:21.160 measles like it can help you recover a little bit more quickly although it's not like necessary in
00:39:26.220 any way it's like yeah this might help but also people are now taking it as a prophylactic because 0.54
00:39:30.780 they think that it will prevent measles and there's no fucking evidence of this and taking 0.66
00:39:34.980 vitamin a in large doses regularly is really bad for you so parents in texas are giving their kids 0.99
00:39:41.600 vitamin a regularly and kids are coming into the hospital fucking sick michael this is the reason 0.96
00:39:47.280 that pete evans kids cookbook got pulled from the shelves for vitamin a because there were recipes 0.97
00:39:53.960 with mega doses of vitamin a that were designed for like toddlers and infants dude that's why we
00:40:02.360 all don't have a copy of Bubba Yum Yum by Pete Evans. There's also this, the following paragraph.
00:40:11.920 Tens of thousands died with or of measles annually in 19th century America. By 1960,
00:40:19.280 before the vaccine's introduction, improvements in sanitation and nutrition had eliminated 98%
00:40:25.720 of measles deaths. Good nutrition remains a best defense against most chronic and infectious
00:40:31.620 illnesses vitamins a c and d and foods rich in vitamins b12 c and e should be part of a balanced
00:40:39.120 diet notice the conspiracy language here tens of thousands died with or of measles annually
00:40:44.820 people did not die with measles that's like a covid conspiracy myth right yes absolutely like
00:40:51.240 was they died when they had covid when they died but that doesn't mean that's why they died and
00:40:56.440 it's like oh if you die in a car accident but you have covid it's listed as a covid death which 0.65
00:41:00.420 wasn't fucking true but this goes around conspiracy circles and it's especially ridiculous with 0.98
00:41:04.500 measles because most people who died of measles were fucking little tiny kids so just straight 0.98
00:41:08.600 up misinformation and this whole thing of like well by 1960 we basically didn't even like need 0.97
00:41:12.600 the vaccine because like sanitation and nutrition got like so much better like he's implying that
00:41:17.740 like the vaccine didn't matter because everything the vaccine achieved we achieved with lifestyle
00:41:22.220 beforehand which is not true so it's like even when he clears the lowest imaginable bar he's 0.98
00:41:30.340 still throws in conspiracy garbage and fucking vaccine hesitancy talking points yeah it's 0.97
00:41:35.820 maddening also like do you want to look at life expectancies before 1960 my god yeah for little 0.99
00:41:41.960 tiny kids there's another like we now have outbreaks of whooping cough too and like
00:41:45.700 whooping cough used to kill like hundreds of kids a year and it's coming back it's like really
00:41:49.960 dangerous stuff because people are refusing to get vaccinated i had to go i had to go update mine
00:41:54.700 because my parents didn't vaccinate me because they saw that documentary kidding me yeah i had
00:41:59.240 to go get it like a couple months ago yeah i had a friend who like admitted to me recently that he
00:42:06.280 did not have his kids vaccinated until like i think they were teens or whatever and he was just
00:42:12.560 like yeah man i was just in sort of like crunchy lefty spaces where people were like that's what
00:42:16.860 the government wants you to do or whatever right like and he was just like so i just sort of like
00:42:20.820 went along with that whatever else yeah it's just really wild i think especially on the maha stuff
00:42:26.320 to just think about how many people i know who are like well they are poisoning our food right
00:42:31.420 like the number of people i know who talk about endocrine disruptors without actually having any
00:42:35.700 sense of like what that means or how it would function yeah and i think it's just been really
00:42:40.420 striking to me how much the people who think they are least vulnerable to this stuff are actually
00:42:46.420 most vulnerable i think that's my point here also like full amnesty for anybody who was like
00:42:51.200 previously an anti-vaxxer or whatever like if you come to the party late i'm not gonna i'm not gonna
00:42:55.960 yell at you for how late you are. I'm going to be happy that you're here. So like, good for your
00:42:59.380 friend. Good for my parents. Like it's, it's much better to sort of de-stigmatize people who change
00:43:04.120 their minds on this stuff and be like, well, that's great. You got vaccinated. I think that's
00:43:07.580 good. However, people get there. Yeah. But this sort of stuff actually leads to like the next
00:43:10.960 little string of RFK Jr. initiatives. So at HHS, he's also done a lot of stuff about food additives.
00:43:18.880 So on March 10th, he announces that the FDA is going to close the loophole by which food
00:43:25.620 companies can assess that their own ingredients are generally regarded as safe. I don't know if
00:43:31.000 you remember this from our Daily Harvest episode. Yeah, grass. The grass stuff. So the idea is that
00:43:35.460 in 1958, Eisenhower passed a law that basically established the modern food system and said that
00:43:41.300 like every chemical that goes into food has to be tested and has to be safe. However, because there
00:43:45.460 was already an existing food supply, you had to have like a little exception for existing ingredients.
00:43:50.820 So like the one they always use is olive oil. Lots of foods had olive oil and you can't just
00:43:55.320 like, well, take all the olive oil out of the food and like, we'll test it and make sure that
00:43:58.840 it's safe. You can say like, well, it's generally regarded as safe or like baking soda. So this
00:44:02.880 makes sense in its inception. Since this time, there's now a process where food companies can
00:44:07.040 self-certify that their ingredients are generally regarded as safe. And this isn't necessarily
00:44:13.260 checked. There's kind of two different ways of doing this. And one of the ways of doing it is
00:44:17.040 like you have to submit an affidavit of research and then the FDA can be like, okay, we're not
00:44:21.420 going to contest this. And then it goes forward. But there's also a way that you just like notify
00:44:24.920 the FDA and the FDA is like, okay. Since the 1950s, we've had more than 750 chemicals enter
00:44:33.240 the U.S. food supply and only 10 of them have gone through the process of like being tested
00:44:37.900 as chemicals. So like this is an actual thing and like left-wing think tanks have like also
00:44:42.700 written reports about this. We talked about it in Daily Harvest episode. It's like a real genuine
00:44:46.580 problem. This loophole in the FDA, like this is worth closing. However, this also is like one of
00:44:52.640 the sub sub sub bad reasons why you shouldn't have like conspiracists running things is because 0.98
00:44:57.480 i don't fucking trust rfk jr to like run this process if we leave it to him then fucking 0.97
00:45:02.400 measles is gonna end up on the grass exactly just like a vial of measles and like your lucky charms 0.99
00:45:08.720 absolutely so like again it's like there are people who are like well i think we should give
00:45:12.760 him credit for doing this and like maybe but we haven't seen the outcome of this and i do not
00:45:17.520 trust a person who has no fealty to like basic facts and who has a bunch of conspiratorial 0.99
00:45:23.480 beliefs to run a fucking process like this. 0.98
00:45:25.760 I don't think the outcome of this is going to be positive. 0.99
00:45:27.600 Right.
00:45:28.140 It requires like a level of if I'm thinking about like redesigning a system like this,
00:45:32.920 right, from a policy standpoint, this would require years and years of public engagement,
00:45:38.060 years and years of buy in building.
00:45:40.240 Exactly.
00:45:40.960 Such high levels of transparency that would be really difficult for someone who has never
00:45:46.180 held office before it also requires not firing thousands of people tens of thousands of people 0.88
00:45:52.440 from fucking hhs which is one of the other first things that he's done they've gone from 82 000 0.85
00:45:56.840 employees to 62 000 employees and just this morning i saw the nih put out another report 0.98
00:46:01.960 showing even more fucking cuts so again any serious effort to make americans healthier and 0.97
00:46:07.580 to like address chronic illness would not have mass fucking firings it would have a huge increase 0.99
00:46:14.000 in the capacity of the government to do stuff like this and then the people who stay get to 0.95
00:46:18.080 stick around for like staff meetings where he's thrown around the r word yeah i know and then 0.99
00:46:22.700 like jesus god he also in that speech said like the deep state is real and shit he's like a baby 0.95
00:46:28.520 off his rocker yeah he was like it's real and it's not just soros or whatever i was like oh god help 0.95
00:46:34.740 it's literally elon musk though we gotta do something about anti-semitism while i blame a
00:46:41.240 He's a high-profile Jewish person for being the deep state.
00:46:45.100 The last thing we're going to talk about is he has in late March until now effectively embarked upon the Maha Tour where he is like visiting different states.
00:46:55.740 And in the HHS announcement, it says, Senator Kennedy will celebrate new state laws that ban ultra-processed foods and dyes in public schools, restrict snap purchases of candy and soda, and ban the addition of fluoride to public drinking water. 0.98
00:47:12.640 So he's basically celebrating these, like, right-wing efforts to do, like, right-wing food shit. 0.95
00:47:18.040 The thing again, removing dyes from school lunches. This is legislation that was just passed in West Virginia. It's sort of an empirical question how big of a deal this is. The idea that like there's a chemical additive that is like harming us is sort of plausible to me. But also that's like we need to actually look at research. I don't there's like also a fear mongering component of this. 0.99
00:47:39.640 the thing to know about the food dyes stuff is that when you ask people like what's the issue
00:47:44.000 they will tell you it's hyperactivity in kids what they won't tell you is that the core question
00:47:48.720 that most frequently gets researched is do food dyes exacerbate existing symptoms in kids who 1.00
00:47:56.240 already have adhd but because we're all playing one giant game of telephone about this shit 0.98
00:48:03.080 that has turned into it causes ADHD, right? So it's leaning really hard into like straight up 0.98
00:48:11.900 proud ableism. The really bad one is this stealth effort that is happening in numerous states now
00:48:19.360 to ban soda and quote unquote candy from food stamps. Have you heard about this? This like
00:48:25.080 nationwide effort to take soda off of food stamps? Yeah, it's just an attempt to make food stamps
00:48:31.260 inaccessible to as many people as possible and to make them as confusing as possible and to make
00:48:35.920 them as unappealing as possible. Right. It's sort of the hostile architecture approach to like
00:48:40.800 public support programs. Right. Of course, it's also perfect for them because they can say like,
00:48:45.900 oh, well, soda is very bad for you and we care about the health of Americans and we're just
00:48:48.980 trying to improve the health of Americans. Right. But of course, what this amounts to
00:48:52.200 is just a further restriction on food stamps. So 15 states have proposed bills to do this.
00:48:58.540 And actually, when he was running for president, RFK Jr. published a editorial in the Wall Street Journal that said that he wants to exempt not only soda, but also, quote, processed foods from food stamps, which is, like, significantly worse because, like, soda, there's some issues with, like, how to define soda. 0.96
00:49:15.640 But, like, processed foods is just, like, no one knows what the fuck.
00:49:20.280 Like, everybody has a completely different definition.
00:49:22.900 And so exempting, quote, unquote, processed foods could be a small category or could be, like, a massive category.
00:49:28.540 There is almost no food that you could argue is entirely unprocessed, right?
00:49:34.300 There's also the question of, like, why is this happening all of a sudden, right?
00:49:38.320 If 15 states are doing something at the same time, that means that there's a push from, like, an outside actor.
00:49:43.120 So this entire wave is being pushed by a think tank called Foundation for Government Accountability, which is very open about the fact that it wants to basically gut every form of welfare.
00:49:55.020 So Biden expanded food stamps quite significantly during the pandemic.
00:49:59.240 This organization has published op-eds arguing to roll that back.
00:50:03.240 The FDA also uses a specific basket of goods when they're calculating food stamp amounts.
00:50:09.420 It's based on the prices of various foods.
00:50:12.420 And there's different ways you can do that.
00:50:13.660 There's the thrifty bucket.
00:50:15.260 There's the enough nutrition bucket.
00:50:17.340 There's too much nutrition bucket.
00:50:18.780 There's different ways of doing this.
00:50:20.120 And this organization has pushed for an even lower threshold to be used.
00:50:26.120 Like people should be eating even shittier and cheaper food than they are now.
00:50:30.460 So this is an organization that wants to cut food stamps.
00:50:32.780 That's not like a he said, she said thing.
00:50:34.500 All of these are designed as entry points into a larger sort of like set of movement
00:50:40.100 values and like policy objectives.
00:50:42.620 And I think we get so far into like wanting to give everything a fair shake and wanting
00:50:48.020 to both sides everything yeah yeah turn off our critical brains and just allow ourselves to get
00:50:54.020 got by some of this stuff luckily i don't think this would make that much of a difference honestly
00:50:58.580 i mean people are not spending that much of their income on sodas anyway because soda's super cheap
00:51:02.700 but on the other hand why the fuck are we even doing this like there shouldn't be food stamps
00:51:06.980 there should just be money that you get like the the whole idea that like there's like right now 0.92
00:51:12.540 food stamps like you can't buy hot food with food stamps you can't buy like paper towels and stuff
00:51:16.800 food stamps in most states uh tampons and pads are not covered by food stamps where you're just
00:51:22.340 like great cool it's like a single mom with three kids supposed to go to the grocery store and get
00:51:26.360 like raw broccoli and then like make nice roasted broccoli with olive oil for her kids well a she
00:51:31.340 doesn't have the time b broccoli is expensive as fuck right like even if you agreed to the premise 0.85
00:51:35.420 that like actually lifestyle is at the root of every everything he also doesn't want to do the 0.51
00:51:39.940 things that would make those lifestyle choices possible yeah it's just it's it's a it's a thing
00:51:44.160 that you say so you can get your weird conspiratorial anti-vax garbage into polite
00:51:48.840 society, it's not something he actually has any interest in doing. If you look at the history of 0.87
00:51:53.420 this man's life, like what has he spent the last three decades doing? You find no evidence of doing
00:51:57.720 anything for low-income people or doing anything about chronic disease. You find a bunch of anti-vax
00:52:02.120 garbage. Right. And a bunch of rhetoric that like actively makes life harder for people who have 0.99
00:52:08.520 chronic illnesses, mental illnesses, neurodivergence, all of that kind of stuff.
00:52:12.500 Yes.
00:52:14.660 So that is our bleak RFK Jr. update.
00:52:18.280 Calgon, take me away.
00:52:19.900 Send me to the wellness farm.
00:52:21.580 No one is still with us, Aubrey.
00:52:23.740 Nobody.
00:52:24.560 Everyone to death.
00:52:25.520 They're like, this is too much.
00:52:26.840 This is a death march.
00:52:28.480 I hate it.
00:52:30.780 I want you to say two things.
00:52:33.080 One, and then say something.
00:52:34.420 And then the episode ends, and it's a cliffhanger,
00:52:37.140 and people have to tune in next time for the second thing. 0.97
00:52:39.920 Next time on 40 year old woman's brain. 0.99
00:53:09.920 Thank you. 1.00