00:13:00.260My hair is gray as a political statement.
00:13:04.200You know, but I still look in the mirror and think, oh, listeners, I'm kind of pulling on my face right now.
00:13:09.960You know, that kind of like, oh, this line and that line.
00:13:13.180that i would love to just be able to exist in the world old yes sick um without the weight and
00:13:26.780pressure of i have to achieve more and more and more and i have to be a stunningly beautiful
00:13:31.700model while i do it or my work doesn't count for anything sorry tangent tangent tangent
00:13:38.000i'm here with you i'm with you okay this is related um i pulled out your animal elders oracle
00:13:48.720deck before we jumped on this call today and and pulled a card at random i wanted to know
00:13:53.920what the universe or whatever spirit lives inside your deck wanted us to talk about today
00:14:00.400and it's so funny because it really is i i pulled elder hummingbird remember the magic and listeners
00:14:10.440i'll put a i'll put a photo of this card in the show notes for this episode but the message of
00:14:17.540elder hummingbird is remember the magic i'm gonna read a little bit real quick elder hummingbird
00:14:24.380speaks. Invoke my spirit when you have forgotten the magic of life, for I can fly in all directions
00:14:34.240and gather it from the past, present, and future. I flutter before you and expand your heart to
00:14:44.980remind you of your inherent worthiness to receive sweetness. I carry an incredible ability to
00:14:52.940remember the flowers that have nourished me and i bring this memory medicine to you
00:14:58.460i shall help you recall the sparkle in your eyes and hope in your spirit that you once held
00:15:06.020magic abounds oh talk to me about remembering the magic how do you remember the magic other than
00:15:16.440conjuring hummingbird i needed that today actually sometimes i hear my own words read
00:15:22.220back to me I think oh that's so I needed that yeah you know and speaking about and relating
00:15:27.840it to the inner winter I think I tend to be a fairly positive optimistic person and in this
00:15:34.500really hard period it was hard to find the magic it was hard to find the hopeful moments
00:15:39.820it was hard it was even like a long winter like seasonally this year so even that was like extra
00:15:46.120cold extra snowy today's a beautiful day there are buds on the trees and even that the earth
00:15:51.480reminds you there is magic everywhere and but I was in a state where it was hard to find it
00:15:57.760so sometimes when that happens I will draw cards those are really good ways to do it
00:16:03.580I was in a state where I couldn't walk I was I'm in mobile most of the winter and that was really
00:16:09.200hard because I couldn't be on the land I mean I could sit outside if I wanted to but actually
00:16:12.920walking with the land was something that I really missed so I think that it is it is a practice to
00:16:20.500find the magic it is a gift to be able to see it every day and it's something that I think we can
00:16:27.120lose sight of sometimes when we're going through a really hard time so the ways that I probably did
00:16:33.060it throughout this really deep wintering season were things like pulling cards you know maybe
00:16:39.800sitting in quiet having a bath having a salt bath but those but again like I did really find it hard
00:16:46.240to find it so I think the hummingbird is a good message for me as today I found the magic it's
00:16:50.280back and I think it's also okay to say that there's seasons sometimes where you can't find it
00:16:54.880and and there's nothing wrong with you I think that sometimes that's part of that seasonality
00:16:59.800and it's just a season because it's going to come back so that's perhaps part of the message and the
00:17:04.420wisdom of that is the magic will come back one day just like today I feel that very strongly today
00:17:09.140tell me like for the sake of our listeners who want to find the magic but don't know what it
00:17:17.720looks like how what is the magic first of all and how do you recognize it when you see it
00:17:25.820I think everybody would define that differently for me it feels like a sense of contentment
00:17:30.760and ease it's a very internal feeling I think that I could see magical things all around
00:17:36.720or maybe even a sense of gratitude right and not take it in or not notice it it could be passing
00:17:41.820right by me so it's presence it's a sense of contentment and you know you're talking about
00:17:47.020like this whole like we got to do more and we're not doing enough I finally got to a place and
00:17:51.960again I've mentioned perimenopause once but I think there's something evolving in me where I
00:17:56.000think this is enough this I have done enough I am enough like I'm coming to this place where I'm
00:18:01.600like this is enough and I can see even the magic in that so I think it's like being open to seeing
00:18:08.180the the maybe the beauty in the small things and being present with the small things um yeah and
00:18:15.680I think for me it's a feel but I think everybody would define that differently like how does that
00:18:19.020feel to you what does magic feel like to you for me it's like breath spaciousness presence and ease
00:18:25.440there's something in that where it feels like I'm noticing today in particular I'm just sitting
00:18:29.700looking outside like my i have a tree and it has the smallest little green buds on it and they just
00:18:34.280popped out today that to me is magical like how how does that even happen so to me creation shows
00:18:41.000us magic every single day but do we get quiet enough to notice it yes i think that that's a
00:18:47.780big one actually listening not just watching for the magic but being quiet and listening for it
00:18:54.140And there's like this very strong, again, this, this anti-capitalist thread when, when you said the word enough, I feel like because we under lay stage capitalism, we can't have enough.
00:19:13.940And, you know, maybe I eat a meal and I can sense that I'm full, you know, those hormones or whatever's going in my brain that send the message to me.
00:19:20.680but with money there is no such mechanism in our bodies it has to be more with um achievements
00:19:28.720there is no such mechanism it always has to be more it always has to be more more more more
00:19:35.420so how do we know when we've had enough and that can be both sides i i have enough and i have0.72
00:19:44.340fucking had enough enough is enough talk talk to me about this word enough yeah i think that i've0.73
00:19:53.480you know what i've noticed in going through this inner winter i haven't shared this yet but what i0.98
00:19:57.240noticed is that my my inner critic got so much quieter and i never thought that i would ever
00:20:03.240hear her be so quiet i am and perhaps because i don't have the capacity i realized how much
00:20:08.860capacity it took to keep her alive and going and so loud like it was taking up like 80 percent of
00:20:14.660my energy when i don't didn't have any more energy to spare sorry when you say her you mean that
00:20:19.400inner critic right yeah so when i didn't have anything left to spare i realized there was
00:20:26.320something about being in really intense pain that quieted her because it was like all the energy i
00:20:31.860had had to be directed to this pain or being present with it and i didn't have anything left
00:20:37.540So now I know if I'm showing up and I don't really, I used to be super critical of myself
00:20:43.200or a perfectionist and I'm just not doing that anymore.
00:20:45.920I just, I don't have the space or capacity or time anymore for that because we only have
00:20:51.320a certain number of years to live on this planet.
00:20:53.520So what the heck was I doing all these years?
00:20:55.500I'm not blaming myself or shaming myself, but I just think what was the point in being
00:20:59.740so hard on myself when we only have this precious moment right now?
00:21:05.920like when am I gonna actually love myself enough that's my question too I
00:21:09.400see people in their 70s who are still beating themselves up about their bodies
00:21:13.360and their their weight and their wrinkles and I think how old do we have
00:21:17.660to get before we love ourselves that seems like a really good question I've
00:21:21.380been asking myself lately can I love myself now can I start it now before I
00:21:25.680end up being 70 and still hating myself I don't want that so I think there's an
00:21:30.920enoughness in just knowing your worthiness right now it's because you exist on this planet so
00:21:38.040something has happened in this writing of this book and maybe just age i don't know but i definitely
00:21:43.700feel more enough than i ever have oh i'm so happy because the more enough you feel the more you will
00:21:52.080deliver unto us your loving audience because we can't we can't you know when we are in that place
00:22:00.300like we can't fill other people's cups if we have we have nothing but you create so many things i
00:22:07.060recently downloaded um your meditation finding um a power animal or animal power and it was so
00:22:16.720beautiful can you talk about why you created and and released this listeners it's free i'll put
00:22:23.080the link in the show notes of course but talk to me about this like the seeking of the power
00:22:29.720animal or animal power creation it was the creation animal spirit was it from the one in
00:22:34.540my deck yeah is that the one i have a lot of meditations yeah it was a it was a recent pop
00:22:42.260up on your website um with uh i mean okay so it's probably the creation animal spirit so
00:22:49.760that one was in particular i wrote yes yes yes yes what animal spirit came in with you in the womb
00:22:56.480with your creation like I really truly have this vision of us coming with a creation story so
00:23:02.900creator envisioned us dreamed us into being our ancestors are behind us and then we have this
00:23:08.360medicine that's planted right and I just felt like an animal came in with us at that time it might
00:23:14.140not be the animal that's with you now or it might be to me it's an animal that's kind of woven
00:23:19.360throughout your life so you might go through a healing session or cycle and then all of a sudden
00:23:24.100and you're like oh I thought I healed that already and that animal will pop up again so it's one of
00:23:28.080those ones that is one of those healing things that walks with you your whole life I really
00:23:33.140feel that with the animal totems that that's the way it happens different ones come in and
00:23:37.360under your life at different times when you need different reminders but I do think that we we come
00:23:42.320in with one so that particular meditation has that what is that animal for me it's the deer
00:23:47.960because the deer has always reminded me of being compassionate, being softer, sending love to that
00:23:55.300inner critic, even leadership, like there's a part of leadership, like how do you lead with that
00:24:00.860softness still? How do you hold strength and softness at the same time? That's people's
00:24:05.780reflection of my work is all the time is like, it's so powerful yet so gentle. And I think that's
00:24:10.260what deer is, powerful yet gentle. And I always wondered for the longest time, how do I hold all
00:24:16.240of those things like how can you hold powerful and gentle but now I've claimed
00:24:19.700it yeah I do and I and I am that and I just recently my we talked about my
00:24:24.340grandmother just passed on to the spirit world a couple weeks ago and my uncle
00:24:27.940was speaking at the funeral and was sharing how that side of the family was
00:24:31.180dear clan and I'd heard whispers of that typically we take on our like our
00:24:36.800mother's clan so that was my grandfather's clan was the crane clan so
00:24:41.400this is my grandmother's clan and when he said that I thought oh my goodness
00:24:44.860that makes so much sense why deer has spoken to me so deeply throughout my lifetime because it's
00:24:49.240actually one of my clans so i thought that was really interesting and really cool and tell me
00:24:54.380more um i remember you you once told me um we were talking about appropriation extraction you know
00:25:04.580all of those keywords um you told me if i hide these teachings then the colonizer wins
00:25:12.360can you sort of re-expand on that i know a lot of people um hesitate to use the term spirit animal
00:25:26.240and have switched to power animal or animal spirit or animal power um so talk to me about
00:25:33.360sharing these teachings talk to me about how you negotiate and navigate extraction when you're0.52
00:25:39.840making your work yeah well I think that that all started with writing my book with the dear white
00:25:45.080woman letter because I think that that was a boundary for people if they could read it
00:25:48.680and have a relationship with the words in some way then I feel like and just have awareness I'm not
00:25:54.540asking people to be perfect like just have awareness and have a relationship with the
00:25:59.260original stewards of their land and turtle island then what if you can actually see everything
00:26:04.940then how can you have a relationship with these things in a good way people are going to1.00
00:26:09.740anyways this is what I say you are going to learn this from a non-indigenous person because there's0.95
00:26:14.660tons of teachers out there would you rather learn it from an authentic source or and people can learn0.98
00:26:20.560whoever they want right but I this is what I try to say to my community people are teaching this
00:26:24.840anyways who who do you want teaching it and it's not like I'm sharing instructions for how to do a
00:26:31.120sweat lodge or instructions on how to like I'm not like our traditional ceremonies are closed
00:26:35.900practices there they are closed practices I'm not doing that it's more
00:26:40.580it's more the teachings of my relationship with the spirit world from
00:26:44.900my perspective from how my ancestors have passed it on to me from how I've
00:26:49.620experienced it through my own healing journey so then it feels very personal
00:26:54.080to me and then if people have read the letter I do you think my deck gives
00:26:58.940people the opportunity to to engage in these teachings in a good way in a
00:27:02.860respectful way with reverence everybody who's ever used my deck and shared it
00:27:06.480back with me I feel that from their hearts I can truly say that a thousand
00:27:10.920percent that they do it with respect and reverence and they do it with honoring
00:27:15.860indigenous people from across Turtle Island I know this to be true so it's
00:27:20.320kind of worked out but but there are people in the indigenous community that
00:27:24.740are not happy with how I share it and what I share and I also don't think that
00:27:29.440they've read my book and I also don't think that they know my heart and I also
00:27:32.680don't think that they know me truly and that's something I've had to get to
00:27:36.460because I have been terrified for years about I've gotten called out I've gotten0.99
00:27:41.860cancelled by people in the indigenous community that's been really hurtful0.87
00:27:45.460that's been really hard for me to navigate and I'm finally come to a place1.00
00:27:49.900where I'm like have you actually looked into what I'm trying to do here have you
00:27:54.460actually read my book in the letter have you actually seen that as a person from
00:27:59.020the crane clan I'm trying to bring our communities together to understand one
00:28:01.780another so there can be truth and reconciliation and if you have and you
00:28:06.580still want to criticize me sure fine I'll take that but if you haven't please
00:28:11.080look into what I'm really trying to do here because we can keep everything
00:28:15.880hidden and we can keep everything close by and I understand the need to do that
00:28:20.800and I think if we do that that's exactly what the colonizer wanted they wanted to
00:28:26.980bury us so by burying us they bury teachings they bury our medicine and
00:28:30.640we just keep them hidden and then we can't we can't share it and for me the sharing helps with
00:28:37.040the relationship the sharing helps with the reciprocity the sharing helps with our grandfather
00:28:42.160teachings in the world that's what the sharing does for me and i might be wrong but that's that's
00:28:47.280how i see it well we know obviously you know um first nations cultures talk a lot about storytelling
00:28:54.240as a healing practice um but it's certainly not the exclusive realm of of indigenous people you
00:29:00.320You know, every every culture tells their story and hears other stories as a way of making medicine for each other.
00:29:09.180Right. I don't want the colonizer to win.
00:29:14.820So tell me, other than buying your books, your book, your book, that's your next book, Inner Winter, that's coming out in November, using your decks.
00:29:24.540Tell me how else can we make sure the colonizer doesn't win?
00:29:30.320There's so many things. I think from an indigenous perspective, there's so many opportunities to learn and to become an ally or an accomplice or whoever you want to say that and build a relationship. I think it's really important. You know, when people say, how do I not appropriate? How do I appreciate? Learn the land you're on, the territory you're on. Speak it often. Speak to the spirit of the land. It's so important. When you're using medicines, ask, you know, where you're buying them from. Be mindful of that.
00:29:58.780This is very specific to, I guess, cultural appropriation.
00:30:02.780And yeah, I love Indigenous literature.
00:30:04.740I think that's such a beautiful way of honouring our medicine and honouring the land.
00:30:09.580There's so many incredible Indigenous writers.
00:30:12.320And start to look and see, who am I learning from?
00:30:15.520Where do they get their teachings from?