Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - A Gibson

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:00:02.580 Guaranteed human.

00:00:04.420 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:00:08.020 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:00:11.960 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:00:15.780 No, I am not your guru.

00:00:19.420 Back then, I lied to everybody.

00:00:21.720 They have had this case for 30 years.

00:00:24.660 I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth.

00:00:27.320 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:00:57.320 Listen to The Secret World of Roald Dahl on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:01:04.680 Crook and Chase Nashville chats with the coolest cat in country music.

00:01:08.500 He is edgy. He's fun. He is Chase Matthews.

00:01:11.820 Keith Urban helped make him a global sensation last year, but it's his recent number one hit Darling that put Chase on the map

00:01:17.600 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:01:22.860 That's why I'm scared to get married. You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:01:25.580 Crook and Chase Nashville Chats with Chase Matthew.

00:01:28.480 Listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app,

00:01:30.920 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:01:34.940 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, the host of The Girlfriends.

00:01:38.920 I'm back with more one-off interviews

00:01:41.180 with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriends Spotlight.

00:01:46.360 I'm going to climb this.

00:01:48.740 Is badness hereditary?

00:01:50.680 Let's see how we can stop killing.

00:01:53.520 I'm not too intimidated by her.

00:01:54.840 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:01:59.100 Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, 1.00

00:02:02.580 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:02:07.920 If you're from the Bay and grew up on the JV show,

00:02:10.720 then you know Wild 94.9 runs deep in your DNA.

00:02:13.960 Yeah, Wild 94.9 has been the Bay's number one hit music station for years.

00:02:18.140 And every morning we're bringing you the biggest hits, laughs,

00:02:21.200 we've got the biggest giveaways, the day's top headlines,

00:02:23.900 and everything trending in the Bay to start your day.

00:02:26.260 It's all on the JV Show weekday mornings on Wild 94.9.

00:02:29.300 And if you're busy in the morning,

00:02:30.340 you can catch the JV Show podcast anytime, anywhere.

00:02:33.080 Just save Wild 94.9 and the JV Show podcast

00:02:35.580 as your top iHeartRadio preset.

00:02:38.760 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:40.160 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:41.280 And this is POOG,

00:02:42.420 an ongoing conversation about wellness

00:02:44.420 between two obsessive friends.

00:02:46.020 Two untamable intellects.

00:02:47.780 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:02:48.620 This is our hell.

00:02:49.500 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:02:51.520 This is POOG.

00:02:53.000 Today's topic, loosely speaking, Ice Roller, Carrie, Foundation.

00:03:02.260 Good morning.

00:03:04.140 Good morning. 1.00

00:03:06.160 It's a true morning poog. 0.81

00:03:08.760 It's a true morning poog.

00:03:10.100 Yesterday was a morning poog.

00:03:11.320 I have to say yesterday. 0.98

00:03:12.460 Oh, right.

00:03:12.720 That was yesterday.

00:03:13.660 Oh, my God.

00:03:14.420 Yesterday and today we're recording at 7.45 a.m.

00:03:18.520 Yeah.

00:03:18.780 What a way to start the day to be laughing with you.

00:03:21.920 First thing.

00:03:23.000 It reminds me of, I mean, every time that we've had first thing in the morning has been not just Pook, but in life.

00:03:29.060 Like I just shot back to obviously that's one time at the airport.

00:03:32.560 Us in the morning is great.

00:03:34.140 Us in the morning, seeing you sort of bounding across the room.

00:03:38.320 Isn't it interesting?

00:03:39.200 Because like, do you feel, so I was thinking about this because I'm talking about the ice roller yesterday.

00:03:43.880 One of those ice rollers, right?

00:03:45.420 By the way, I used that truly the other day.

00:03:48.520 My eyes were so puffy and it brought them right down.

00:03:51.280 So, because I was like going to say, I'm going to do it right now.

00:03:55.440 Like, oh, do I, I know, do I have an ice roller?

00:03:58.420 I mean, does the ice roller work?

00:03:59.980 It feels so good.

00:04:01.660 I feel like I don't live this life that's all about like, I'm perfect in the morning.

00:04:06.120 Which is like this thing I feel like is constantly being said to me in magazines.

00:04:12.020 Yeah.

00:04:12.340 And I'm sort of like, is that really relevant?

00:04:13.760 But of course it is.

00:04:15.300 It's real.

00:04:16.120 It's real.

00:04:16.600 Because my face right now feels like a pillow for seven mice to rest on and have the sleep of their dreams.

00:04:27.740 Like, and I don't even, I don't know.

00:04:30.360 There's something kind of sweet about the puffy face.

00:04:33.120 We know this.

00:04:33.580 No, it's cute.

00:04:34.320 It's cute.

00:04:35.040 And I think I told you my, I think I talked about this on Pooh, my facialist, who I'm seeing today.

00:04:40.520 That's right.

00:04:41.240 Oh, right.

00:04:41.820 I know.

00:04:42.480 God, I'm so jealous.

00:04:43.280 The commute I do.

00:04:44.120 I mean, it's like four hours out of the day.

00:04:46.600 she was talking about morpheus eight and stuff and she was like oh right people right after

00:04:52.160 look like plump and so they look like oh young and whatever yeah yeah the point is

00:04:59.080 that there is no point i'm trying to um no i just i'm just excited by the puffiness like

00:05:05.680 even the nose is kind of interesting because don't you kind of think of the nose as being

00:05:10.260 like stationary i mean like um not something that swells and that it changes yeah

00:05:16.120 And like the nose is fully got like a different puff to it.

00:05:20.920 I don't know. 0.99

00:05:21.420 I continue to be fascinated by just the goddamn mechanisms. 0.99

00:05:27.040 I have a question. 0.99

00:05:28.120 Is a Gibson a martini with just little cocktail onions?

00:05:32.440 Do you know?

00:05:33.140 Interesting.

00:05:33.680 I'm unfamiliar with a Gibson.

00:05:35.460 That sounds like some.

00:05:37.020 Somebody was referencing a Gibson.

00:05:39.300 And by the way, by me going, somebody was referencing a Gibson.

00:05:42.520 By somebody, I mean Gwyneth Paltrow in an interview.

00:05:45.020 Right, right.

00:05:46.120 right somebody and she was like i love to drink a gibson and i was like are you serious yeah oh 1.00

00:05:51.620 my god how exciting no she's fun she she parties i mean i've never met the woman but she parties

00:05:56.700 but like i don't know to me gibson sounds like this 1942 thing so you're doing tap tap tap to

00:06:03.860 get the fluids moving in the morning look it up i'm doing tap tap tap to get the fluid you want

00:06:08.040 to know what i'm back on coco face yoga what oh wow and i never even joined i know a really i know

00:06:15.660 beautiful woman absolutely ravishing i'd say she's i'm not sure she might be 45 no she's she's not 0.59

00:06:22.220 45 but she's in her maybe mid she's in her early mid 40s god she's gorgeous she gua shas every 0.94

00:06:30.480 fucking day for like 6 000 years oh and let me tell you my god now is it about is it about wrinkles 0.94

00:06:36.580 for her what's it about yeah i guess you don't know right it's about just like tightness of the 0.99

00:06:41.320 skin and like she just i mean she is just like a beautiful woman but damn when she's talking about 0.97

00:06:48.700 all the gua sha i mean it really makes you want to commit now it's really hard for me okay i have 0.69

00:06:54.260 an announcement i looked it up a gibson is gin or vodka drive vermouth uh-huh strained into a

00:07:00.420 chilled glass cocktail onion so it's the cocktail onion is what makes it a gibson versus it with a

00:07:05.180 twist i am floored i am floored with a twist it's what i'm sorry with a twist i'm i just mean it's

00:07:11.260 martini which by the way i've been enjoying and then um yeah instead of an olive instead of an

00:07:17.500 olive i've been i used to be strictly dirty of course yeah and then you know what i heard someone

00:07:21.720 do once and i went what i didn't even know you could do that i didn't imagine dirty with a twist

00:07:25.520 what and when i tell you take a minute with that because the olive dirty with a twist i saw someone

00:07:31.720 one direction doesn't the lemon take it in another so i saw an actual bartender order this and i

00:07:37.260 thought, excuse me. You saw a bartender order it? Is that what you just said? Yeah. Well, I was,

00:07:42.040 I was, I was at a meal and there was a bartender at the meal and the bartender ordered. So I was

00:07:48.160 like, well, she knows what she's talking about. I ordered one myself a couple of weeks ago.

00:07:52.840 Yeah. Down the fucking hatch. It was so good. Oh my God. Tell me, did it feel like you're 1.00

00:08:00.200 drinking a martini with a little pop at the end? I need to understand. I know I can try it,

00:08:05.160 but I need to know. So I used to do extra dirty, filthy. Yes. Actually, I've had issues with this. 0.94

00:08:13.340 I really want to talk about this. Okay, great. And then, and then by the way, I've moved past

00:08:16.600 it. I'd say, I mean, I'll still do it, but I realized now that was fear. I know me too. The

00:08:21.180 olive juice. I know. The extra dirty, because I love brine. I love pickles. The olive juice. I

00:08:27.660 was like, and I thought I was scared. It was fear-based. It was a fear-based option. And now

00:08:33.080 with just an olive shirt

00:08:35.340 with a twist

00:08:36.620 but now I'm going maybe I'll try 0.99

00:08:38.880 a fucking Gibson 0.99

00:08:40.160 okay well obviously ordering a Gibson 1.00

00:08:43.100 the word alone sounds

00:08:45.220 outrageous sounds like a 1942 1.00

00:08:47.320 which I'm in right

00:08:49.140 no it's like an airplane

00:08:50.880 daddy's a commercial airplane pilot 0.99

00:08:53.480 and he comes home and he wants a fucking Gibson 0.99

00:08:55.120 exactly wants a Gibson oh my god 1.00

00:08:56.900 and his wife better know what a Gibson is

00:08:58.480 oh the children know what a Gibson is 0.82

00:09:01.000 right ah god the whole fixing father's cocktail like lore little little sally's fixing it i know

00:09:07.680 yeah yeah are you me are you like are you in madmen as the sort of core yeah me too god that

00:09:13.540 kitchen i'm always operating from madmen at the core and everything i do sometimes i could tell

00:09:18.720 when we both are yeah i gotta rewatch wait it's always there but i want to talk about the fear

00:09:24.420 base this is big okay okay yeah okay okay because here's what's so devastating

00:09:28.780 you're just so devastating about the realization requesting extra charity right yeah extra

00:09:38.200 dirty fail fisher you know me okay yeah you get to feel like you're doing something cool courageous 0.97

00:09:47.280 sort of you know even i'm a hard you know i drink i'm a hard ass yeah i have my cigarettes and i 0.75

00:09:54.300 I like my cigarettes on field, 0.94

00:09:55.680 and I like my martini extra dirty.

00:09:58.140 That's so funny.

00:09:59.080 And it's like, no, you're a child who wants olive juice,

00:10:02.100 and that's me.

00:10:03.760 This is humiliating.

00:10:05.220 That's really funny.

00:10:07.040 Yeah, no, a Gibson.

00:10:08.260 Have you ever gone too far? 0.67

00:10:10.000 Yes, but in what regard?

00:10:11.900 I went through a period where I was,

00:10:13.420 extra dirty, please, and then they bring it,

00:10:16.280 and I'm like, seriously, you're going to go dirty?

00:10:19.300 Go filthy?

00:10:20.060 And then it's still not enough.

00:10:21.160 And then I was walking around for a year,

00:10:23.060 telling people, maybe three years, honestly, just being like, they never give me enough.

00:10:27.260 Yeah.

00:10:27.820 Being like, I said I like it dirty. Okay. And one time I was like, do the most extreme version

00:10:32.420 you can kind of. And I was like, maybe I didn't do that, but I was just like filthy. And it wasn't

00:10:37.620 good.

00:10:38.000 It was too filthy.

00:10:39.160 It was too filthy. And like, I realized it can be too filthy.

00:10:42.760 It can. It absolutely can.

00:10:44.780 And I'm not even sure anymore. What it's starting to make me realize is I like being in a state

00:10:49.740 of believing that they didn't quite give it to me filthy enough yeah okay but i'm powering through

00:10:56.600 like a god yeah yeah among men and that was actually the sweet spot not when they gave me

00:11:01.460 what i think i wanted and then i discovered that was too far right right there is a very narrow

00:11:05.580 space and then you almost go well do i even like a martini i don't like a dirty martini if i can't

00:11:11.160 seem to find the right balance oh i know no the amount of times i've wondered that i have to

00:11:16.640 sometimes push myself to order the martini because either I really want it. Yeah. And I'm thrilled

00:11:21.520 or I feel I feel like it's such an aesthetic choice. It's hauntingly seductive. It's too

00:11:29.100 beautiful. Yeah. It's it's yeah. It's so hard to enchant these other things. But then when you do

00:11:35.860 you're like riding high proudly ordering martinis for like 10 years. Yeah. And then you see someone

00:11:42.260 or Gibson and you're like wait yeah or you or some other special drink that they enjoy

00:11:49.320 it reminds me of this like quote about and I can't remember whose it was it was like someone

00:11:53.140 ancient maybe it was about art or something like or what you're creating or your work

00:11:57.700 seeing that another man you know and it's always like yeah another man has like dared to do the

00:12:04.300 work that you didn't have the courage to basically like yeah of course when you can recognize in

00:12:09.360 someone else's work a very thing that you literally pushed down in yourself oh and like didn't allow

00:12:14.860 yourself to do that's the most brutal yes does that make sense absolutely horrifying and so it's

00:12:20.320 like dear god go for it and follow your whatever because if you see someone else do it you'll just

00:12:26.160 want to you know sink into the earth do now are you seeing that with someone else's drink okay

00:12:31.700 and going yeah almost like i've been clinging to the aesthetic of the martini right and this person

00:12:39.060 as a punch bowl well it's like when i broke through it when i broke through

00:12:42.220 piñas at via corotta at the various italian restaurants okay during my new york run

00:12:47.320 would you break through this is my next level of courage realizing that i didn't really like

00:12:52.680 any of the cocktails on the you wanted a mudslide italian whatever yeah menu okay i don't like all

00:13:00.480 those what is it campari what's the one that i don't like that oh the the orange brunette

00:13:04.980 you know not tumblr big single negroni negroni yes okay i'm always trying to get myself to love

00:13:14.180 a negroni i think i might finally be there i've misordered and landed with something negroni like

00:13:19.600 enough times now that i've almost become adjusted to negronis through error okay however broke

00:13:27.480 through at via corona okay at ultra paradisio okay and because it was like desperate times

00:13:32.620 in the sense of, I need what I want, I'm doing

00:13:34.680 a run, okay? Yeah, yeah.

00:13:36.580 Oh, yeah, baby. I broke through like, can I just

00:13:38.700 get a goddamn margarita? 0.99

00:13:41.220 Oh! 1.00

00:13:43.300 Are you impressed?

00:13:44.540 So listen to me, yes.

00:13:46.520 And then that became my cocktail.

00:13:48.560 Okay. Oh. Every night.

00:13:50.880 Oh, really? Okay.

00:13:52.540 I'm not asking for a frozen margarita,

00:13:54.880 folks, okay? You want a beautiful...

00:13:57.060 A margarita is a classic

00:13:58.620 cocktail. And honestly, doing it well,

00:14:01.000 not an everyday occurrence no and and this whole time guess what i've that's the word that's been

00:14:07.520 on my lips margarita that's that's yes this whole conversation i wanted to break through and say

00:14:12.420 at the end of the day what i really want more than anything is a margarita on the way we

00:14:17.640 the way we deny ourselves the way we deny and oh my god i would get a margarita and like no one was

00:14:27.600 shocked or concerned or whatever they're like cool and they're like salt rim that's yes yes i was like

00:14:34.420 worried for some reason as if the salt rim would be like taking it too far right right they'd be

00:14:38.340 like it's de classe yeah and it's like no we have a full bar we don't care you're at a restaurant i

00:14:44.540 get that and that complicate that complicated that complimented and refreshed i want to talk

00:14:51.420 about sleep deprivation because it's real oh god i said that just now because what did i just say

00:14:58.640 oh complicated instead of complimented and the ultimate what's up what's wrong nothing oh i

00:15:06.060 thought you were like something like oh god no your eyes are going down to the left so i think

00:15:11.060 you're on the phone keep going keep going i'm not on the phone all right flip it over if need be

00:15:14.940 it is flipped over oh my god keep going sleep temporary okay but it's real and

00:15:23.480 and yesterday whatever this week four cities whatever right yeah okay i can't let myself

00:15:30.220 believe that i'm tired or depleted because then like going off to the show like believing i'm

00:15:36.180 impaired mentally is terrifying so this is i'm glad you're bringing this up i'd be like no

00:15:40.640 yeah you're not tired like oh god i'm gonna stumble my words it's gonna whatever but there

00:15:45.660 was one moment where i realized like oh no after the show like the final night i was starting to

00:15:50.700 write a little thing about hanging my flag and i sat there and i was going like and so i hung my

00:15:55.940 flag and then i was like oh hey no one's gonna get me on the grammar i was like it's hanged

00:16:01.180 right right okay i was like a lot of people don't know this it's actually hanged and i started to

00:16:05.100 type on an instagram story yeah i even though it sounds wrong yeah dived right yeah it's right i

00:16:10.240 hanged my flag and i said to my tour manager or something and she was like i think it's hung and

00:16:15.600 i was like well actually she's like i thought hung like hanged was for when someone hangs himself

00:16:20.680 and then i was like i've never felt greater humiliation and i was like oh my god this is

00:16:28.480 how i go see this is the ugliness of the way that my brain yeah shall go it'll be that it is caked

00:16:35.760 in ego yeah it'll be me specifying like the clarification actually it's dived when like

00:16:41.840 what i'm trying to say is get me my walker okay you know what i mean god yeah it'll be ego it'll

00:16:48.440 be misapplications of like little actuallys i already feel like you know lost and so i just

00:16:54.440 think it well let's let's push it 130 that's that's what i'm gonna say at 130 i'm gonna be

00:16:59.480 fucked but wait i have a question about the sleep deprivation because i similarly oh yeah before a 0.99

00:17:07.340 show not to be too inside baseball here on the pod but um i felt really tired and like oh fuck 0.99

00:17:13.120 and do you find that sometimes when you're a little impaired in that way tired oh i can't 0.99

00:17:18.420 defenses are down you fly free you're finally free you you lose the edge a little bit and it

00:17:24.320 actually really helps it helps you be an animal yes okay i've had this with and this is what i'm

00:17:32.960 telling myself because i have a show tonight i've had this with also being a little sick 0.98

00:17:37.420 okay now you need to believe that when you have a fucking cold okay terrifying again i've done 0.95

00:17:45.240 these things where i'm you know i have my tea on stage next to my water it's so like precious but 0.98

00:17:50.100 also literally necessary and then the question of cold medicine or not cold medicine or whatever

00:17:55.400 all those things but even if it's just pure cold you have no medication it does something yeah it

00:18:00.120 impairs you just enough where there is kind of like a freedom it's almost like the tiredness

00:18:06.380 right now there's kind of a freedom right there is the time you and me were falling asleep next

00:18:10.540 to each other and we were talking about the all the worlds and worlds of all-inclusive vacation

00:18:16.260 opportunities because you didn't know that there are these insane deals that i was showing you like

00:18:21.700 cheap caribbean.com or whatever where i was like 650 a person flight and hotel included okay

00:18:29.320 your eyes went so wide they like wrapped around the back of your head like a hat

00:18:33.940 okay and you were like and then you were falling asleep next to me and i have it on video but it's

00:18:40.040 unbelievable that you have it on video and you were mumbling yourself and you were like talking

00:18:44.720 almost near sleep, and I'm like, Kate, what?

00:18:47.700 Kate, you fall asleep, and you just go,

00:18:50.480 I go, what?

00:18:54.560 I'm dreaming of all-inclusive.

00:18:57.920 It's unbelievable.

00:19:00.180 You really, and it's real.

00:19:02.560 You actually captured me in that dream state.

00:19:10.160 This is Ryder Strong,

00:19:11.660 and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:19:13.680 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:19:19.700 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:19:23.420 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:19:24.760 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:19:28.400 No, I am not your guru.

00:19:32.160 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:19:34.800 I lied to police.

00:19:36.120 I lied to everybody.

00:19:37.060 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:19:40.020 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:19:42.460 to interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out

00:19:47.440 what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:19:51.800 and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of

00:19:57.460 to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather 1.00

00:20:04.920 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:20:12.460 the coolest cat in country music.

00:20:14.560 He is edgy. He's fun.

00:20:16.380 He is Chase Matthews. Keith Urban

00:20:18.280 helped make him a global sensation last

00:20:20.320 year, but it's his recent number one hit

00:20:22.060 Darling that put Chase on the map and

00:20:24.220 launched a fun and difficult

00:20:26.020 conversation about lovers who cheat

00:20:28.040 and lie. That's why I'm scared to get married. 0.53

00:20:30.260 You're giving me trust issues, brother. Crook and

00:20:32.160 Chase Nashville Chats with Chase Matthews.

00:20:34.520 Listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio

00:20:36.400 app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

00:20:38.280 you listen to podcasts.

00:20:39.560 hello it's me anna sinfield from the girlfriends the number one hit true crime show that puts

00:20:47.480 women right in the center of their own stories i'm back with more one-off interviews with some

00:20:53.860 truly kick-ass women on the girlfriends spotlight i want to introduce you to sylvia i'm going to 1.00

00:21:01.400 And then there's Vassaka.

00:21:09.140 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:21:21.600 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:21:23.320 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

00:21:26.040 I'm not too intimidated by her.

00:21:27.760 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:21:28.740 Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, 1.00

00:21:34.140 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:21:41.980 I forget, do you talk in the sleep?

00:21:48.660 So rarely.

00:21:51.100 Because you know what?

00:21:52.240 I don't even think we talked about this on Poog.

00:21:54.060 I do a fair amount and it's usually, these are the things.

00:21:57.500 Oh, you heard one.

00:21:58.740 Oh my God. Wait, wait, wait. This is huge. So when we were sharing a bed for four nights.

00:22:04.380 Yeah.

00:22:05.000 So fun. Jacqueline Novak will wake up like this. I would say three out of the four mornings, 0.99

00:22:12.200 I woke up something like this. Shut the fuck up. Full volume, full speaking voice. What else did 1.00

00:22:20.020 you say? Shut the fuck up was a huge one. Yeah, that was big. 0.99

00:22:24.640 Oh fuck. 1.00

00:22:25.020 You were like, yeah, you're like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:22:26.940 you were like shut the fuck up yeah because my teeth are like clenched in the night complete 1.00

00:22:31.980 anger and then wait what else was it i'm forgetting but it was something like that and it was the 0.99

00:22:37.520 funniest thing it was on you you were dead asleep you were like are you asleep like and i was like 0.95

00:22:44.580 oh yeah sorry that happens so it's almost always it's shut the fuck up is honestly like one of the 0.97

00:22:50.680 biggest ones yeah i could feel like wake myself up shut the fuck up yeah it's like it's like that

00:22:57.860 is complete declarative dead clear anger yeah and and there's something and i think it's really like 0.52

00:23:04.520 relevant and significant yes it is like it's always that i am in these dreams i feel i'm being

00:23:09.760 sort of wronged yes or someone's really got it wrong okay and this like desire to explain myself

00:23:15.960 or clarify or whatever and like the frustration and then whatever just comes flying out and it's

00:23:22.080 it activates the body it's hysterical I don't know it's like disturbing but yeah it's shut the 1.00

00:23:27.180 fuck up it's like fuck you or like oh fuck you that was another one one morning you said fuck 1.00

00:23:32.440 you oh my god yeah yeah it's like I don't know it's um but yeah so I do a bit of that I'm trying 1.00

00:23:41.320 did i do that on a plane i feel like there was i feel like i'm remembering a public moment of no

00:23:48.000 i don't know but but yeah something along those lines i was on a plane yesterday and

00:23:53.500 it was it was interesting do you ever go to the in motion store i've oh no i've never been in

00:24:00.640 i feel like in motion store with the triangle somewhere in its logo is like

00:24:04.600 one of those things that pops into existence only in your mind in the world of the airport

00:24:08.460 because that's like the only place it is isn't it a little face it could be anyway like something

00:24:14.000 about going in there and seeing all the headphones i almost got suckered into a deal they're like any

00:24:18.560 pair of headphones you get you can get an accessory free and i became consumed with like there was

00:24:24.320 travel pillow in there and i was like whatever and then i had to let go of the deal oh yeah you

00:24:28.300 have to deal was becoming a prison the travel pillow oh i mean i can't believe we haven't

00:24:34.440 discuss travel pillows as a product so there was a certain travel pillow that my mom got into that

00:24:41.000 then i became i became indoctrinated into the travel pillow mythos because this was a really 0.98

00:24:47.700 good one because the simple shit travel pillow that just is the c the letter c oh the letter c 0.98

00:24:54.500 that's absolutely useless absolutely useless absolutely useless and so this other one that's 0.94

00:25:01.060 like foam has a has a oh I love that little buttery texture in the voice and it has a um

00:25:06.060 a clip right so you can squeegee it what's the word not squeegee so you can um tighten it cinch

00:25:13.000 cinch cinch squeegee feels like the right okay and then well well absolutely like when you and

00:25:19.660 I decided that grotto meant something that it didn't okay and then you can grotto is one of

00:25:25.020 the most beautiful words and it captivates the imagination in a in a way that few words means so

00:25:30.620 much yet i barely like understand what it is i just think of the playboy mansion in the grotto

00:25:35.340 and like being oh like a young girl watching television like that like but isn't the grotto

00:25:40.240 the like rocky part below i don't know yeah all the crimes that unfolded in the grotto i just

00:25:44.980 picture like rocks somehow surrounding water i don't know no that's correct okay and so the crimes

00:25:51.240 of the grotto i obviously classic deep dive for for the question of the trouble bill is the ultimate

00:25:56.760 like strategist wire cutter whatever and this is a real no joke oh you know I did on the plane

00:26:02.080 yesterday I've read about bags I read on those blogs I literally searched the words travel gear

00:26:07.900 blog and I was like this is where I want to live for a while I was really like tired and I was

00:26:11.980 like this is gonna relax me so I just read about these different bags and it's a whole world of

00:26:17.300 course it is right find a bag for me we know what I need all right so I've borrowed for years this

00:26:23.040 old bag of my mom's as like my carry on. Yes. Not carry on like over the shoulder bag. Yes. And

00:26:28.980 I have a lot of disdain for it. I'm not sure why. It's actually fine. See, this is what I struggle

00:26:36.460 with. Like, Hey, let's hear it. I need to know about this bag. You've seen it. It's just like

00:26:41.380 a black, there's two pockets in the front. It's very simple. It has a zipper so it can be smaller

00:26:45.940 or bigger. Okay. It's staying. Just now I had this mind where I was like, you know, I'm going

00:26:49.680 be traveling i'm getting a new one and then it's like i don't need a new one it's fine well it's

00:26:55.160 fine but it doesn't have to be this binary of old one versus new there are other things i know

00:27:01.300 what was the one i got i got seduced by i mean it's like the question of packing cubes we're

00:27:06.940 discussing right and i basically had half abandoned them yesterday i don't know there's just one of

00:27:12.040 the most satisfying things is the concept of professional packing but it's not this is the

00:27:18.880 question is what works for you. Yeah. It can't just be, you can't be seduced by the gear when

00:27:24.480 the gear actually isn't right for you. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And there are different options out

00:27:29.000 there and they're doing a lot of good work. You know, there's this like topo designs or something

00:27:33.400 that kept popping up on a lot of lists for bags. And we'll get back to the travel pillow in a

00:27:36.420 second. And then I was standing waiting for baggage last night. And I mean, I know we've

00:27:40.900 discussed the baggage belt before, but honestly, I was literally shocked to see the way the machine

00:27:44.700 was spitting the bags out spitting them out and there was an area where so it goes down the first

00:27:49.460 little diagonal you know out of the out of the ether right yeah makes a turn comes down and then

00:27:55.080 this is where it's going to drop onto the belt and there's like practically a lip okay where it

00:27:59.880 has to like clear the lip yeah like they they get air for no reason yeah i was trying to work out if

00:28:06.560 they remove the lip what it gets which things get stuck there's got to be a way it goes down the

00:28:11.000 thing pops okay into the air and then tumbles like a joke I watched everyone just bag just just get

00:28:19.180 air spin land horribly and I'm like yeah unless you pack like if there's anything in there even 0.94

00:28:27.240 you're fucked remotely yeah you're fucked and it's like have you had yeah things okay so I was raised 0.98

00:28:35.660 with a real fear. My mother is a packer who she takes a week to pack. Packing for her is like 1.00

00:28:41.360 such a source. Like I had such a, it's such a memory of my mom being like, well, I have to

00:28:44.300 pack. Oh God. Yeah. The suitcase is like open in her bedroom for like five days before departure

00:28:48.740 and like complete obsession over like what to take. And like, she's an expert packer,

00:28:55.360 but it's like by expert, I guess she's not an expert packer. I just mean she's highly organized.

00:29:00.560 anyway the world of my mother's travel size bottles oh and and like decanting them and

00:29:07.380 everything's labeled and like the fear around a bottle opening in the back I know it's like

00:29:12.500 was put in me so young that's like a 90s a 90s fear that like yeah really took in the 90s I feel

00:29:20.500 it's true and I still have it where I'm like decanting shampoo or decanting conditioner it's 0.51

00:29:26.280 like if this thing opens I'm fucked I know it's such it's such a fear and so well that's where

00:29:31.940 the ziploc really comes in and guess what a couple times my fears have come true something has opened 0.96

00:29:37.680 and it's fine I've never had because it's still in the bag away from the clothes right like I

00:29:43.340 remember hearing a story yes and there's something really glamorous about this like wow I think I 0.72

00:29:48.420 know where it's headed I can't wait okay again I have this friend something about a woman packing

00:29:55.180 like a beautiful woman packing like really haphazardly for a trip it's this thing that 0.95

00:30:00.100 only the beautiful can get away with I have this friend and I remember her being like my perfume

00:30:05.000 broke in my bag and I was like you are French or like you are truly free totally her kind of

00:30:12.140 packing and like a silk slip and like just the full perfume bottle the idea of a full perfume 0.87

00:30:17.340 bottle the hubris the hubris throw that in throw that in and go well the bags will pad it right

00:30:22.780 packing it all up away you go and then you arrive you open the perfume bottles of course broken all

00:30:28.600 over the clothes it's so novelistic it's so free I mean also just for some reason when you said

00:30:35.400 that I could see her hand perfectly and I saw like really nice nails yeah okay holding the

00:30:40.800 broken perfume bottle like in confusion yeah French confusion and like yeah stylish confusion

00:30:47.900 and i mean i would go i'd do a thing where i was like starting to put you know wrap individual

00:30:53.860 things in ziploc inside not every individual item but the kind of the scary ones yeah bringing like

00:30:59.720 true liquid yeah like a toner in essence pure liquid seems so scary to have no viscosity and

00:31:05.660 it's like sailing around in your bag even in like six layers i've learned like i gotta do it i gotta 0.96

00:31:10.180 do it you have to toner yeah oh wait i can't wait i didn't tell you this why i missed a goddamn 0.77

00:31:14.980 flight not because of this but i want it to be kind of could have been it i mean might have been 0.77

00:31:20.180 the 15 minutes that made the difference honestly oh my god because i in utter foolishness just

00:31:26.980 classic error somehow put my entire bag of carefully packed toiletries into my carry-on

00:31:32.980 bag i roll on to security oh no okay and let me make sure is this right oh the stress of it oh and

00:31:40.720 it was um crossing the border and whatever and beep beep beep you know and they're like is this

00:31:45.980 yours and it's like yeah and then I just pull out like my full yeah drunk elephant suitcase from

00:31:50.720 those freebies we got oh yeah filled with full-size product and they go you know you can

00:31:55.800 you can check it or whatever and I actually for the sorry this is so not me oh so I'm going back

00:32:01.160 out oh absolutely what are you gonna do with the full with the full products I mean come on I mean

00:32:05.860 I was like and and so what do you do what happens this is incredible this is my greatest fear

00:32:09.900 I'm like I'm going back out

00:32:12.160 I finally have TSA pre so

00:32:14.320 it wasn't even an issue really of the line

00:32:16.120 whatever the included bags were

00:32:18.120 I had already like checked right and thrown

00:32:20.340 in like a little bag that was

00:32:22.400 like nothing just because it was free on

00:32:24.380 the ticket or whatever and I was like yeah well you carry

00:32:26.380 it right and so now what I've done

00:32:28.580 is I go back out

00:32:30.280 and now I have to use a little

00:32:32.100 free bag I have with me to check

00:32:34.340 the skin care

00:32:36.300 you're never going to believe it it didn't occur to me

00:32:38.320 it could be this much

00:32:39.080 $150 for the additional

00:32:41.800 bag. Hang on, talk to me.

00:32:44.580 You put the little

00:32:45.560 travel case where?

00:32:48.080 So let's say my

00:32:49.160 ticket came with two

00:32:51.600 free bags or whatever, okay?

00:32:53.520 You know, like included. Yeah. So I

00:32:55.540 checked two bags and the second bag I checked

00:32:57.540 was tiny because I was just like

00:32:59.180 tiny and not even full.

00:33:01.720 Yeah, why not?

00:33:03.980 They get you on the additional.

00:33:06.660 But here's what I don't understand.

00:33:07.600 the little suitcase the drunk about suitcase you just checked that item alone no so i pulled i

00:33:13.620 pulled as this was happening as i had gone through security and i'm on the other side i pulled out

00:33:18.440 this is actually a key packing tip and not that i'm the only one who does this but pack an empty

00:33:22.600 bag like throw an empty bag in your suitcase oh yeah classic you know new new stuff might appear

00:33:29.620 and then empty duffel yeah so i throw that in and so i have a little bag in there

00:33:34.920 and this was a bag i got as a gift bag for doing a show like sponsorship and it's a tom bean 0.76

00:33:41.040 i have two bags from them and they're really like not cheap at all but damn are those zippers strong

00:33:48.300 that's all i'll say for now folks a strong going deep yeah too strong we're like i'm not strong 0.80

00:33:53.580 enough to manhandle the zipper wow so i take my little bag i go back i put the drunk elephant in

00:33:59.860 there's nothing in that i'm like we'll be checking this for 150 dollars as you know my my theory my 0.99

00:34:07.120 concept don't pay twice yeah which is if you're gonna fucking pay if you fuck up and whatever it 0.92

00:34:13.260 is where you decide you know i'm gonna i'm gonna pay yeah why also pay emotionally right right of 1.00

00:34:18.500 course yeah just suck it just suck it up you're right don't pay twice just if you're gonna pay 0.99

00:34:23.900 just immediately accept let go and and do it wait you know what i have to do i have to i have some 0.99

00:34:29.700 frozen blueberries and frozen riced cauliflower that I took out of the freezer for a morning

00:34:33.760 smoothie. And it's still thawing on the counter, and I want to just pop it back in so it's frozen

00:34:38.400 when I make my... Do it. One sec.

00:34:43.520 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:34:47.580 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:34:52.720 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:34:56.640 It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:35:01.720 No, I am not your guru.

00:35:05.480 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:35:10.360 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:35:13.340 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:35:21.980 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:35:26.640 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.95

00:35:29.700 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:35:32.720 Boom, boom. 0.97

00:35:34.040 This is The Red Weather.

00:35:37.020 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:35:44.000 Crook and Chase Nashville chats with the coolest cat in country music.

00:35:47.840 He is edgy, he's fun, he is Chase Matthews.

00:35:51.160 Keith Urban helped make him a global sensation last year,

00:35:53.840 but it's his recent number one hit, Darling, that put Chase on the map

00:35:56.940 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:36:02.200 That's why I'm scared to get married. You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:36:05.100 Crook and Chase Nashville Chats with Chase Matthew.

00:36:07.820 Listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:36:14.500 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:36:17.600 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories.

00:36:24.360 I'm back with more one-off interviews 0.96

00:36:26.480 with some truly kick-ass women on the Girlfriends Spotlight. 1.00

00:36:31.380 I want to introduce you to Sylvia.

00:36:33.900 I'm going to climb this.

00:36:36.260 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:36:38.400 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:36:42.520 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:36:44.980 Is badness hereditary?

00:36:47.020 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:36:48.820 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:36:51.760 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night you'll even get to meet my mum in that one

00:36:56.500 who i can always count on to keep my feet on the ground i'm not too intimidated by her what are

00:37:01.240 you talking about listen to the girlfriend spotlight on the iheart radio app apple

00:37:07.660 Podcasts or wherever you get

00:37:09.620 your podcasts.

00:37:14.880 Oh, checking the bag. I had to go

00:37:21.580 and it was tough because I had to go, how much

00:37:23.720 skincare is in there? Okay.

00:37:25.880 And in my head, I was like, well, I know I've

00:37:27.660 got a bunch of SoCo Glam. I'm like,

00:37:30.180 okay, I've got an oil

00:37:31.460 cleanser. I'm like minimum 20 bucks.

00:37:33.500 I can't remember what it was, but min 20.

00:37:35.720 Okay, no way there's less than 20. And then I

00:37:37.440 start to be like there's at least 10 products in there they're all at min 20 yeah now we're up to

00:37:41.740 200 bucks right now i'm paying 150 to to be 50 ahead the math oh god but i had i wanted to tell

00:37:51.080 you a packing realization i had and it's been huge for me in the early mornings at the hotel

00:37:55.460 okay of course we all love the idea packing at night setting the bags by the foot of the bed

00:38:02.140 heading out however not always i do that it's but it's not always achievable there will come a time

00:38:08.680 kate were you packing in the morning i've had no no i want to be clear yes i've had some morning

00:38:14.480 packs but it's never like if you have a 9 a.m flight you're not leaving it for the morning

00:38:19.980 sure am when i'm exhausted i have a 9 a.m flight tomorrow i i exhausted like last night even i

00:38:27.360 knew i had to wake up are you more likely to get it done well because i'll even like you're tired

00:38:33.840 at night you're tired at night right i was tired last night but i took a shower because i was like 0.97

00:38:37.460 i'm not gonna have time in the morning this is so fuck i have to move on from what myself no but 0.81

00:38:44.720 what i was gonna say was my technique okay that i discovered oh sorry yes no i think packing in 0.97

00:38:49.680 the night versus the morning is actually a really interesting topic okay that a lot of people deal

00:38:53.340 with i really i really do i really do because big question i do as much as i can at night and then

00:38:56.860 I hit a point of fading of course where I go okay like everything that must be done tonight basically

00:39:03.120 is and I need the sharpness and the adrenaline of the morning to finish the job right right and

00:39:08.440 that's what I allow myself to do because at night my mind becomes frazzled and deranged and it all

00:39:14.560 feels like too much so so then I finish it off in the morning but my technique okay I've been doing

00:39:20.460 this thing at the hotel so let's say I get up and I and even if there's not that much left to pack

00:39:25.700 I get up and I go, there's something about getting out of the bed and like your eyes

00:39:29.720 darting around the place as you try to like grab random things that just, there's something

00:39:34.200 that is like taxing the executive functions there, okay?

00:39:37.700 So my new technique is like I sit up, okay?

00:39:40.960 Instead of beginning this, try to approach the packing with something.

00:39:44.660 I literally do it completely spatially.

00:39:47.580 So I sit up on my bed.

00:39:49.040 I look around the bed.

00:39:49.780 Is there anything in or on the bed?

00:39:51.600 Okay?

00:39:52.160 Like something.

00:39:53.380 Grab it right then.

00:39:55.700 i put my feet on the ground whatever i look over at the the bedside table right yeah anything there

00:40:00.500 i grab and collect okay i don't take a single step without collecting what's in my view but

00:40:06.560 what if you don't want what's in so right then for example i would now if the bag's right there

00:40:11.880 i'd throw it towards the bag yeah or this is huge okay i take everything on the bed on the bed

00:40:18.140 anything that is not as i move around i don't walk past the thing on the floor to go brush my

00:40:24.380 see there's like I pick it up right then the moment I see it it's so simple yet it's huge the

00:40:28.500 moment you see it you're saying you're saying if if I mean maybe this is the obvious you're only

00:40:34.580 picking up if you know you want to take it on the trip okay I'm so sorry I this is deeply unclear

00:40:42.240 everything changes okay okay I'm talking about packing up in the hotel

00:40:46.220 okay okay let me leave because I was just it made no sense yeah I was like

00:40:54.380 I trust her and I trust her mind.

00:40:56.800 You can't have every single thing you come across go in a bag.

00:40:59.800 No, I was completely lost.

00:41:01.940 Okay, so take it back to the hotel really quick.

00:41:04.320 That makes sense.

00:41:05.080 Everything in view.

00:41:06.280 And then your eye in the hotel should be able to clock pretty quick.

00:41:10.320 And sometimes there are crossover.

00:41:12.780 What's mine?

00:41:13.440 What's the hotel's, right?

00:41:14.960 Yeah.

00:41:15.240 There's a clarity there.

00:41:16.760 Oh, no, it's very helpful.

00:41:18.380 It's different than packing at home, which is pure hell.

00:41:21.420 Really hard. 0.99

00:41:22.020 Because it's all of the shit and you have to pluck out what you need. 0.98

00:41:24.820 Packing up at the hotel is actually a dream. 0.99

00:41:27.560 Yeah, it is.

00:41:29.480 It is.

00:41:30.460 Okay, I feel like we have to move on.

00:41:34.320 Well, yeah, you've been hating this for some time.

00:41:36.140 It's been dead clear instead of called yes and.

00:41:39.880 I'm trying to think.

00:41:41.500 Okay, okay, here we go.

00:41:42.960 A couple things.

00:41:44.100 A couple things that I've been thinking about.

00:41:45.820 First of all, I'm seriously considering buying driving gloves.

00:41:49.140 Oh, classic.

00:41:49.960 Yeah, I'm in Los Angeles.

00:41:50.880 I drive a lot.

00:41:52.020 that light hit in the hands every day. I'm pretty good at putting sunscreen on the hands,

00:41:56.440 but there's something also, and again, there's something additive about putting on the driving

00:42:00.580 gloves. It feels fun. Oh yeah. Of course. Would it, would it, is it a habit that could really

00:42:05.640 stick? I would argue, yes. Like this morning I'm going to be driving for nearly an hour,

00:42:09.740 an hour the other way. I mean, it's just. Well, here's an idea. They're left in the car.

00:42:15.120 So of course they're on the dashboard. They're on the dashboard and putting them on anyway. So

00:42:21.500 i'm on the i'm on the hunt for those so my a friend of mine she actually bought some spf

00:42:25.400 driving gloves but she hated them she said they felt like spanks on her hands oh i need to get

00:42:30.360 something else but okay so that's on it i'm also this is huge sending out the alarm i want to buy

00:42:37.420 a new foundation foundation is something that i very rarely wear foundation on my face me too 0.94

00:42:45.360 god though when you do every time and then when you put it on you go god damn i know and there 0.99

00:42:51.260 are women who've been living their whole lives foundation we know them and and and god when you 1.00

00:42:55.580 see like you know what calls to me like the thing that almost seduces me the most onto foundation

00:42:59.360 is the fact that like you're using a soft and dry brush like i'm humiliated when i get a brush set

00:43:05.180 or buying brushes like you know makeup and there's like the one that's for the foundation and i'm

00:43:10.560 just like sad that i'm not gonna be using it i'm gonna be like using it as a blush brush or

00:43:14.040 something like blending foundation blending foundation and i i always have used i've always

00:43:20.340 just put it on my hands, right? The warmth of your hands, putting it in with your own fingers.

00:43:24.720 But then I'm like, that's actually not the best way. It's not the best way. And I've used the

00:43:31.880 same Kosas brand, like oil foundation, which I like, but I'm feeling curious. I'm feeling,

00:43:39.740 oh my God. My friend was like, you know who makes the best foundation? Oh, here we go.

00:43:44.060 la mare my knees buckled instantly well that is a shock are you fucking kidding me so and she knows 0.98

00:43:52.020 her shit okay really and so yeah i just did a you okay do you hear that okay yeah it was cute i loved 0.98

00:43:59.760 it oh well as we talked about yesterday maybe it'll happen today oh i'm getting hard thinking 0.99

00:44:06.420 about it i'm gonna return my dyson hair dryer oh and then you're gonna have what feels like free

00:44:12.080 money exactly and maybe because i'm going to go to blue mercury which feels like an airport it's

00:44:16.580 like the airport of skin of beauty god it really is it's very duty-free in there yeah oh it's so

00:44:23.400 duty i'm like where's the rum it feels yes it's so the only duty-free products they have are

00:44:31.220 skincare is lauder and clinique have you noticed that yes totally anyway they carry la mare

00:44:37.440 foundation there. And maybe I will, maybe I will wander over there and go, let's give me a try

00:44:43.140 because I can always return it if I don't like it. Anyway. Yeah. I want to, I need to step into

00:44:49.120 foundation. I need to bring that in. It's not something I'd wear every day. My God, I want to

00:44:53.140 as well, but I just think I only really wear it for the stage. And even then sometimes I'm not in

00:44:58.600 the face of it. Well, foundation, I'm afraid to, I'm like afraid of doing wrong almost. There's a

00:45:03.440 fear well the visibility of the makeup that's what we're trying to avoid right it's like when

00:45:07.560 you have a zit i know you can't relate to this but if you have a pimple oh and then now you've

00:45:11.680 got a concealer and you put makeup on it it's like okay well now yeah like the effort to conceal

00:45:18.000 being visible is such an indignity and and such right it's the celebrity and it's um the celebrity

00:45:24.840 and the sunglasses baseball cap and trench coat like what about them immediately draws attention

00:45:32.140 them as a celebrity oh yeah yeah of course yeah um like in new york like this was like why is that

00:45:36.580 man why is it the dead of winter and that man's got a baseball hat on yeah yeah like you know

00:45:42.740 what i mean like but the foundation thing i watched a video yesterday of j-lo's makeup artist okay

00:45:50.620 who is this guy and um i kind of want to look it up so i have the name right

00:45:55.000 i watched a video of him let's see i feel like his name is

00:45:59.740 yeah scott barnes okay i had it in my head you know when you're afraid you're like it flew to

00:46:04.760 the tongue too easily where you're like i'm saying someone else's name i don't realize it

00:46:07.420 watched him do full foundation on this woman i mean you've watched the contouring type videos

00:46:13.740 right you've watched you've seen whether it's not really i've seen it like on like i've seen

00:46:18.120 it in flashes but i've never really watched right where they show like what kim's like makeup look

00:46:23.380 like under layers right and they and it starts and it looks like absolute stripes of you know

00:46:29.460 just a full whatever yeah sure and then they start blending and blending and blending and blending

00:46:33.440 okay and then a face emerges yeah and layering on stuff layering on it's blended so well that

00:46:40.300 it almost becomes like you're like did you just undo it was this a big and i know they would argue

00:46:44.920 no that's the exact point i'm like is it even doing anything now do you mean like did you just

00:46:50.260 blend out all of that and they're going to be like yes that's the the subtle artistry and that's

00:46:54.860 what i'm buying into the belief that like no the fact that they did like a layer of red you know

00:46:59.320 they do these things have you seen these tricks where they do shocking full makeup like i'm full

00:47:03.980 lipstick like under the eye like what's the thing about remember like green and red green you know

00:47:09.100 green to eliminate redness or to eliminate pink undertone it's like stripes of green on the face

00:47:14.160 in makeup videos and it's shocking and they blend it yes it's very appealing and then the movement

00:47:18.840 of the blending brush is like really, I don't know.

00:47:22.260 I'm just, I'm intrigued.

00:47:24.260 I have, I want to talk about the overwhelming guilt,

00:47:26.740 something that I'm having in my life, 1.00

00:47:28.040 which is Poog related, which is some companies,

00:47:30.820 God bless them, Marion Park, for example,

00:47:33.320 sent gorgeous shoes to us.

00:47:34.640 Marion Park?

00:47:35.520 Yeah.

00:47:35.800 Yeah.

00:47:36.200 Oh, sorry.

00:47:36.720 I misheard of what you were saying.

00:47:38.260 No, no.

00:47:38.620 And I like beautiful shoes.

00:47:40.040 I love those shoes, yeah.

00:47:40.500 Right. 0.99

00:47:40.880 And like, I, my fucking feet, 0.99

00:47:43.180 I don't know what size I am. 0.99

00:47:44.380 I know.

00:47:44.660 Like I always go too big.

00:47:46.220 So they, so Jenner, I sent beautiful shoes

00:47:48.180 and I was like, 0.98

00:47:48.840 they're comfortable which is what's so shocking and they sent this this this fucking beautiful 0.96

00:47:53.820 like red leather i know i want them like dark red like not you know fire engine red but beautiful 0.79

00:48:00.540 and i was like these boots are gorgeous and i was saving them saving them saving them and then i

00:48:04.640 one night i go i'm wearing them tonight i slip it on oh no no no it's too big jacqueline and you

00:48:10.020 forced it you went out anyway no no no i didn't because i was like okay i'm not gonna wear them

00:48:13.660 and then i email panicked and i go oh god the boots and and they're like lovely and they're

00:48:18.820 like no no well we'll send you the right size and i just and they were out they were sold out of

00:48:23.980 course they were sold out why would they not be sold out of that boot and then similarly and there

00:48:28.880 was this kitten heel i think i got it a size too small do you see what i mean so i don't know how

00:48:34.040 to buy shoes online and similar on running sent us boots yes i wanted these hiking boots i was so

00:48:40.320 excited for my new life as a hiker did you get too small or too big so listen this this is

00:48:44.840 unbelievable i go send me these hiking boots in this size they come too big i'm swimming in them

00:48:49.240 i go i need a half size smaller yeah those come they're still too big oh that should have gone

00:48:54.480 full side so i'm sitting here with two pairs of these gorgeous hiking boots and i have to do

00:48:59.000 the admin of packing them up returning them dealing with it the mental weight of that and

00:49:03.380 then on top of it is the guilt of these are free beautiful items that i'm not using that are

00:49:08.260 wasting away here my fear of the i don't think the brands are angry but they're not angry i feel

00:49:14.200 their anger i feel their anger and i and i have to deal with it and i swear to god in the next

00:49:18.940 three weeks i'm gonna deal with it i reached out to marion park shoes are i just want to shout it 0.87

00:49:24.040 out i literally can't remember what the fucking word i was like podiatrist i was like yeah yeah 0.95

00:49:28.460 she is a fucking doctor of feet to be clear folks but it's high fashion yeah it's about feet and so 0.98

00:49:36.080 and i you know the boot i was excited for because i i live in boots and i perform in boots and i was 0.98

00:49:42.700 really excited to have a comfortable boot that was hot and night oh that's where my chelsea

00:49:48.320 boots are from and i was like it's always shocking when you realize the term is a term like i don't

00:49:53.160 know it took me a really long time to understand that chelsea boot is like a term it wasn't just

00:49:56.460 like one company's term right right it's an actual description yeah it's an actual description

00:50:01.400 it's an actual okay guess what we have to leave like in the next two minutes we are really i know

00:50:07.620 folks as if they're not used to it like i know we're jumping around here oh that's so funny

00:50:12.140 imagine how exhausting they would be exhausting maybe if we constantly were doing that so oh my

00:50:17.080 god we done it again i was just gonna say that i had i think one of the best service experiences

00:50:24.680 of my life recently oh my god so i was in pasadena with an old friend we went to houston's which is

00:50:32.680 the chain right i'm a little confused on how far how far reaching that chain is i know there's

00:50:37.800 is it just in okay okay okay sure yeah okay my grandfather used to love going to houston's

00:50:42.840 just hyper hyper dependable you're gonna get it you know yeah you're gonna get it like i've only

00:50:48.280 been a couple times i don't know it well went to the one in pasadena which by the way at four

00:50:52.560 i bet they know what a gibson is for oh absolutely 4 30 p.m the houston's in pasadena

00:50:58.980 slammed we had a reservation i could 4 30 oh my god it is slammed we we sit down

00:51:08.080 this woman this server this sprite oh my god she was i i mean immediately i was like wait what's 0.61

00:51:18.240 going on here she was so she was just wonderful okay but a light touch and then at one point

00:51:23.000 we're sitting there and by the way we're not we're ordering but it's not like we're these

00:51:27.020 high rollers of having three appetizers and my friend had ordered a martini about halfway through

00:51:33.600 the meal she appears maybe yeah halfway through the meal she appears with an empty frosted martini 0.67

00:51:39.940 glass i go what's going on she proceeds to pour no the i don't know two and a half three inches

00:51:45.660 left of my friend's martini into the chilled glass and was like i just noticed that i'm weeping

00:51:51.400 i almost started weeping i was like could not believe it my eyes are doing that thing i feel

00:51:57.000 like the tears in my nose. I was stunned. And this is over salads in a bread basket. You know,

00:52:02.600 this isn't steaks and the whole, this is like, and then, and then at one point there was a slight

00:52:09.900 error. My friend's lactose intolerant cheese appeared on her salad and the waitress came

00:52:15.420 over and she noticed it without even chewing. And she was like, you know, and she just removed it.

00:52:20.120 It was like, it was such a, it was beautiful. It was as if nothing had happened. And I think that

00:52:25.020 the chilled martini glass was possibly to remedy that error, but it didn't matter.

00:52:28.920 Everything was, it was, it was astonishing. And then wait, there was something else she did that

00:52:32.980 I just could not believe it. Just the nature of her presence was wild. I just, anyway.

00:52:38.280 You never forget. You never forget.

00:52:40.180 I will never forget her. I mean, it was, and she was like, she was playful. It was,

00:52:45.360 it was extraordinary. And when we left, I was like, I was like, are we in Pasadena or are we

00:52:51.480 Osaka. I was like, this is Japan. Like, I was like, this is like, is Osaka, like is the dining

00:52:58.620 of Osaka. This is service. This, this is like, this is the kind, I just mean, I mean, I just

00:53:02.800 was like, this is Japanese. I was like ranting outside the Houston's. About like the excellence

00:53:07.300 of service. Yeah. And just kind of that care and attention to detail and the sort of like

00:53:11.600 performance in theater, which is so like exquisite and just like so deep, like not American in this 0.93

00:53:20.220 way it's oh yeah god yeah like like just the it was um unbelievable so yeah um you know

00:53:30.440 but you were gonna say some great service i oh wow i i'm so sorry i just absolutely have to go

00:53:36.320 it's all good i just wanted to yeah um all right let's let's talk later and um anyway we're gonna

00:53:42.220 love you before you i just want to close up the recording love you love you that was poog

00:53:50.880 if you enjoyed poog please subscribe rate and review if not we will press charges

00:53:56.840 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather in 1995 my neighbor

00:54:03.360 and a trainer disappeared from a commune it was nature and trees and praying and drugs

00:54:09.460 No, I am not your guru.

00:54:13.160 Back then, I lied to everybody.

00:54:15.480 They have had this case for 30 years.

00:54:18.420 I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth.

00:54:22.180 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app,

00:54:24.560 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:54:28.460 You know Roald Dahl.

00:54:30.020 He thought up Willy Wonka and the BFG.

00:54:32.520 But did you know he was a spy?

00:54:34.820 In the new podcast, The Secret World of Roald Dahl,

00:54:37.740 I'll tell you that story.

00:54:39.040 and much, much more.

00:54:40.620 What?

00:54:41.500 You probably won't believe it either.

00:54:43.220 Was this before he wrote his stories?

00:54:44.940 It must have been.

00:54:46.320 Okay, I don't think that's true.

00:54:48.320 I'm telling you.

00:54:49.700 The guy was a spy.

00:54:51.200 Listen to The Secret World of Roald Dahl

00:54:53.180 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:54:55.840 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:54:58.440 Crook and Chase Nashville chats

00:55:00.000 with the coolest cat in country music.

00:55:02.240 He is edgy, he's fun, he is Chase Matthews.

00:55:05.580 Keith Urban helped make him a global sensation last year,

00:55:08.260 but it's his recent number one hit, Darling, that put Chase on the map

00:55:11.340 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:55:16.600 That's why I'm scared to get married. You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:55:19.500 Crook and Chase Nashville Chats with Chase Matthew.

00:55:22.220 Listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:55:28.780 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, the host of The Girlfriends.

00:55:32.840 I'm back with more one-off interviews

00:55:34.920 with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight.

00:55:40.040 I'm going to climb this. 0.81

00:55:42.500 Is badness hereditary?

00:55:44.420 Let's see how we can stop killing.

00:55:47.260 I'm not too intimidated by her.

00:55:48.700 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:55:52.680 Listen to The Girlfriend's Spotlight 0.96

00:55:54.740 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:55:57.280 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:55:59.260 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:56:04.220 Guaranteed human.

Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - March 29, 2022

A Gibson

Episode Stats

Transcript