Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - A God Among Men

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00:00:04.420 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:00:08.020 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:00:11.960 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

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00:00:19.420 Back then, I lied to everybody.

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00:01:34.860 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:36.300 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:37.400 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:42.140 Two untamable intellects.

00:01:43.900 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:01:44.740 This is our hell.

00:01:45.620 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:01:47.900 This is POOG.

00:01:49.320 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:01:51.140 My beautiful sheets, unbranded.

00:01:55.300 self-delight. Good morning from Philly. Good morning, 8 a.m. Wow, Philadelphia. Here I am

00:02:08.640 in Los Angeles. Why in God? Why this way? Sorry, I had Miss Saigon in my head and I wanted to

00:02:16.020 introduce it into the podcast. What's that? Oh, it's Miss Saigon the Musical. Oh. Claude

00:02:21.660 Michelle Schoenberg or whatever, and Alan Buble, not Buble, whatever his name is, of Les Mis.

00:02:27.340 It's sort of the Vietnam tale.

00:02:29.460 It has moments of derangement and yet also moments of glory.

00:02:33.640 Never seen Les Mis, couldn't tell you anything about it.

00:02:37.460 I have almost no idea.

00:02:37.780 I was just going to say, you were reaching for a single frame and you didn't have it.

00:02:42.040 No, all I see is Anne Hathaway accepting an Oscar.

00:02:45.140 Or did she?

00:02:45.800 No, right.

00:02:46.360 Can we break away?

00:02:47.120 Can I tell you about the smoothie I just had?

00:02:48.940 Yes.

00:02:49.280 Because I think it's really exciting.

00:02:50.560 okay so what i did was i poured in a can of cold brew it happened to be a blue bottle

00:02:56.380 um branded cold brew but any cold brew will do it's funny it comes in a can

00:03:00.900 despite their branding obviously being related to blue bottles

00:03:04.240 must have been tough no that's shocking that's shocking that was a tough moment anyway go on

00:03:12.180 please okay i poured in a cold brew i put in a frozen ripe banana i put in almond butter and

00:03:22.260 almond milk blitzed it so it's like a good morning buzz buzz cold brew buzz buzz smoothie

00:03:29.500 thoughts wait let me take a minute with that how thick was it when you poured it

00:03:34.320 how quickly at what pace did it move okay so i'm glad you brought this up because that sounds

00:03:39.860 pretty thick it sounds pretty thick it wasn't that thick oh it's how big was that can of blue

00:03:45.100 bottle the can is not oh sorry the can is quite squat so they're oh it's one of those the can is

00:03:51.120 like seven ounces i i don't know how many ounces seven is a strange but it's probably kept it's

00:03:57.140 probably eight fluid ounces um but i have to say it was a nice little morning but here's what i

00:04:02.880 found it didn't feel like drinking coffee emotionally and so i don't feel like i've had

00:04:07.880 coffee. So I actually made a second cup, you know? Oh yeah. Anyway. So I made a backup cup

00:04:13.960 for the experience of drinking coffee. Oh, you absolutely have to. You can't just start the day

00:04:18.520 with some, some fool's cold drink. Uh, you know, it's just, you need the gripping of the mug, 0.98

00:04:24.380 the hunch of the shoulders. Yeah, exactly what I'm looking at right now. So you're, so you're

00:04:29.360 in Philly. Okay. Let me just look at my notes. I'm in Philly, Delphia and we'll save it for that.

00:04:35.380 save it till the notes are you're really doming me today

00:04:40.100 so you know i've noticed this thing in hotels where they've taken to offering us the luxury

00:04:48.940 of access to netflix okay what does that even mean you're expected to type in your password

00:04:55.060 and your thing using a remote control which have you ever had to do this yeah hauling the cursor

00:05:02.540 across the screen, hitting a little up arrow to shift it into, I mean, it's absolutely undoable. 0.99

00:05:09.820 You're screwed. It's not worth it. There's actually nothing on Netflix that could possibly 0.88

00:05:14.460 be worth that experience. I mean, and I have been frankly watching Netflix in the hotel room. I've

00:05:19.040 been forced to watch it on the, on the computer. Fine. You know, I love that. What are you watching?

00:05:23.580 Tyler Henry, Hollywood medium. I mean, that's not what this show is called. That's on Netflix.

00:05:27.840 Well, Hollywood Medium was on E! or something, and now he's on Netflix with Life After Death, I think is what it's called.

00:05:34.800 And it's created by Netflix? I bet he's getting $14 million an episode.

00:05:38.840 He better be. He's a doll. He deserves it.

00:05:41.500 He's so scary.

00:05:43.340 He's my best friend.

00:05:45.100 Okay, apologies.

00:05:46.160 No, no, I mean, whatever. It's, like, mediumship is literally so loaded.

00:05:50.040 I want it. I'm now, sorry, I'm distracted because I'm like, I wish we could talk about the brand of Netflix, but we can't.

00:05:56.360 Why? Because we want them?

00:05:57.840 Yeah, because I can't talk about their fall from grace.

00:06:03.940 Do you know what I mean?

00:06:05.580 You mean when you're pitching them next week?

00:06:07.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:08.680 It's a sustained, the brand has sustained power, of course.

00:06:13.140 You know, they've ruined film.

00:06:15.700 And so, I mean, they have.

00:06:19.140 Do you mean because of their original films?

00:06:22.440 What?

00:06:23.180 I'm talking through my teeth as though.

00:06:25.020 so we're not recording we'll make it like they can't hear me no yeah they're they're moving film

00:06:30.780 out of theaters oh right you can't even you know now they pay 14 000 14 000 is the most

00:06:39.080 the highest amount of money i could reach for oh yeah that happens to me sometimes where you're

00:06:44.960 like the government owes did you know the national debt is 63 000 dollars i didn't do it anyway i'm

00:06:54.060 like i'm delirious in the morning i just i just supposed to record last night we chose not to i

00:06:58.300 was using this i was explaining this no this had to happen to hurry out i even told a few fans

00:07:04.220 oh someone introduced me to a concept of another good cherry or the ones you you called again

00:07:10.140 luxor or whatever luxardo luxardo these are like amanaras or something oh okay talk about sorry

00:07:18.020 talk about getting into the netflix i'm just in shock that this situation still remains where

00:07:23.220 we're expected to move a cursor across a visual keyboard on a screen okay I was just thinking

00:07:27.660 about it I'd literally rather haul three pound boxes of cement individually labeled with a

00:07:33.420 letter I'd literally move those into the position of my email and password yeah rather than sort of

00:07:38.460 hit the left arrow on the thing into that little hesitation where it moves and then it moves again

00:07:43.280 oh it is a rhythm that is unholy it is unnatural like it disturbs the circadian rhythms you know

00:07:50.280 after mere minutes here's my thought I'm lying there this morning I'm going why don't they just

00:07:54.820 have an option okay if you're so desperate to have your list which I don't think you are

00:07:59.720 so I need to be in my Netflix I need to be my Netflix shows shows me my favorites and stops

00:08:05.000 me in the middle of the other no right right have an option that's like you know the hotel's Netflix

00:08:09.580 that you can pop in yeah you just find the thing you want to watch and that would be so much

00:08:13.920 the beer then like you can sign into yours but it'll be hell okay so that's my first complaint

00:08:20.900 no it's rude there should be absolutely it should be this is the hotel netflix and who 0.86

00:08:26.580 fucking cares and you log in there and somebody's halfway through an episode of the crown you deal 0.95

00:08:31.100 with it you go to what you want or have a rooms version a rooms version a room each room has its 0.98

00:08:36.780 own they can get they can cut a deal they can afford it anyways that's something i made a note

00:08:41.440 i really want to talk about today i also want to talk about the failure of packing cubes you're

00:08:44.960 not gonna stop because you know that i love them i went hard okay i landed on a website yesterday

00:08:50.200 called carryology okay where it's all about like you know for lack of a better word well they found

00:08:56.080 one carry uh bags okay okay they're like so yeah in the world of you know carry culture or whatever

00:09:04.300 but i stumbled on it because i'm currently obsessed with how one carries one things

00:09:08.680 across the nation particularly when there have been complaints such as last night about the

00:09:12.420 merch stand not being like up to snuff it's really i don't even want to acknowledge it

00:09:16.640 people don't understand it's conceptual it's evolving and part of the humor is that it's

00:09:22.900 not there yet yet i call it who could possibly complain well they do it and they're not i guess

00:09:27.720 what you don't mean actually complain you mean they're joking you're like oh this is it i mean

00:09:31.500 kind of but then they then they go online and still post great show i don't know about the

00:09:35.960 merch stand though question mark oh my god unimaginable but anyway unimaginable guess who's

00:09:43.760 not getting a repost in my old uh stories that one yeah yeah packing cubes i just want to say so

00:09:50.540 yeah so anyway it is a personal choice it is a personal preference you might find that you

00:09:55.840 absolutely love them do i appreciate the compression yes but here's here's an issue

00:10:01.080 a packing cube that doesn't have compression to me is meaningless okay well guess what that's all

00:10:06.960 i own okay well actually no but here's the thing you might be better off now that's good for

00:10:10.380 organization right put all your underwear in there whatever however yeah yeah is it really

00:10:16.640 helping in the suitcase yes because you open your suitcase you see a bunch of packing cubes

00:10:20.460 i'm telling you and they're not labeled right no no you have to have a memory

00:10:25.840 yeah memory of what it's inside and for what i do see i have like of course like underwear

00:10:33.400 t-shirts and then i'll do like there's one cube i'm like that's my fancy cube cute and i know

00:10:39.560 that's where i have like my nice stuff and then do you on do you take them out of the suitcase

00:10:44.560 unzip them and rest them on a do you go drawers do you ever go drawers i'm sure we brought this

00:10:49.620 up i can't remember your answer yeah so i love just laying your things in a drawer i love to

00:10:54.900 unpack at a hotel at a nice hotel but often of course i'm living out of the suitcase the thing

00:11:02.720 that's more upsetting is whenever i arrive home i end up living out of the suitcase for weeks

00:11:06.540 oh the trip we took the covid trip i can never oh i i literally unpacked it to move on this trip

00:11:16.060 to go to this trip i had to vacuum sand out of it to place my my new things in yeah no including

00:11:22.260 merch uh like sorry i can only fit in when i can fit in my underwear your merch so what i have

00:11:29.140 found is so here's the issue so to me i go i want compression packing cubes i've had ones i got it

00:11:34.000 like marshals that were not compression and i was like what even is this right so i'm like it's

00:11:38.640 compression or it's nothing so i get really serious compression cubes that do but then here's what you

00:11:44.160 get you go from a loose cube right a loose cube full of like loose clothes yeah but you could

00:11:50.360 kind of shove in and whatever into a bag to a tight to a goddamn rock okay vacuum sealed 0.92

00:11:56.260 vacuum sealed rock that guess what no doesn't fit well how do you seal it how does it seal 0.71

00:12:02.040 zippers it's all zippers and then the air just gets sucked out no it's not vacuum but it's the

00:12:06.880 first layer of zipper and then there's like a second layer of zipper that presses it down that's

00:12:10.280 just for compression okay and that zipper just squeezes it but then you have these rocks these

00:12:14.980 hard rocks these cube rocks then you put in your suitcase and they're unarrangeable that you there's

00:12:20.220 no stuffing and shoving you can't shove a little thing into a corner you ever hear that thing about

00:12:25.360 like this was like a metaphor for balance in one's life or something like that your life is like all

00:12:30.080 this stuff and it's this jar and like you put you should load in the big rocks first and then no this

00:12:35.840 doesn't make sense maybe it does i don't know something like the difference between how to fill

00:12:40.260 a jar okay and it was like you put in big rocks first and then you pour in the little rocks and

00:12:43.840 it fills in around them if you put in fill it with little rocks first big rocks can't get in

00:12:48.560 it doesn't even make sense it seems like it should be the opposite the reason i say it is

00:12:51.240 because i remember it being the implication was like priorities right you know family love 0.83

00:12:56.300 and then the little shit okay honestly imagine wisdom wisdom so vacant wisdom so empty 0.97

00:13:05.320 what matters is the big chef i know 0.99

00:13:08.460 they still cling to that and i'm like what were you doing oh my god do you want to hear something

00:13:17.500 this will make, this is, I've never told anyone this. Yesterday I was feeling overwhelmed. Okay.

00:13:24.140 And it was like the morning and I was like, I have to just do something. I was like stripping

00:13:30.020 my bed to do sheets. And I was like, this is going to make me feel really powerful.

00:13:34.760 Of course.

00:13:35.880 Like cleaning the sheets, you know? And I went and I was like, Oh God. And I went to the,

00:13:40.420 the calm app. I swear to God, guys, this is not, I really do have the calm app.

00:13:44.700 I know. And you really do use it.

00:13:46.340 Although I haven't in a long time, but I went into it and I was like, I just need to like

00:13:50.000 listen to something.

00:13:51.100 And I was like, what do they have on here?

00:13:52.680 Cause I've only ever done the meditations or the soundscapes for sleeping.

00:13:57.120 This is, this is our dream come true.

00:13:58.720 You're like alerting people to like, you haven't gone deep enough.

00:14:01.160 No, I know.

00:14:01.780 I know.

00:14:02.100 I'm discovering the app live.

00:14:04.720 And so then I went and there was like a, something was like, it was like motivation

00:14:07.540 or something.

00:14:07.960 I was like, yeah, yeah, let's talk.

00:14:09.260 Let's, let's hear one of these people talk to me.

00:14:10.980 i ended up clicking on matthew mcconaughey oh my god who's doing like first of all i'm gonna say

00:14:18.340 was it amazing because i bet it was was it flying were you soaring were you never been so productive 0.82

00:14:23.060 so so i went i clicked on it like yeah this fucking and so so he has a book that i've seen 0.94

00:14:28.060 at airports called green light and it's green lights and it's like his autobiography but it's 0.97

00:14:32.800 his like approach to everything so i'm listening to it and i'm like at first just like this is so

00:14:38.340 you know can you believe this people and then of course i'm listening to it i'm like

00:14:42.580 okay so he has this bit of wisdom and he talks so green lights he's like i refuse to do the accent

00:14:49.000 i've refused to do the impression no i need it because you actually are capable no no i'm

00:14:53.880 actually not though i can't do it uh don't face just do something do a bad version so i have

00:14:58.540 something well no because what is the bad mcgonaghan it's him like it's the whole life

00:15:03.240 yeah yeah that's good like time is a flasher yeah yeah you want to go uh i can't be a ghost

00:15:12.540 anymore or whatever that's not it that's not it okay no but honestly i'm we're all picturing him

00:15:18.440 we're all picturing him and then that voice is making it better than if it was just your voice

00:15:21.780 so he has his wisdom and he's like title of my book's green light and that means you know go

00:15:27.340 laugh we got green lights and he says go he's like and then you know you got the yellow lights

00:15:33.220 and the red lights the you know and that's the complication okay okay okay so i'm listening to

00:15:39.620 this folding line you're like uh-huh and he's like by the end of our lives we look back in the

00:15:44.200 he's like he's like all right go go go i believe it he's like he's like

00:15:51.820 he's like i believe at the end of our life

00:15:54.740 okay okay sorry i'm sorry oh wait that's the whiskey laugh

00:16:01.160 you don't drink whiskey but that's the whiskey laugh yeah no it is it is okay

00:16:05.640 it's like i believe at the end of our lives

00:16:08.780 okay okay i'm gonna get it out he goes he goes he goes and i'm already guessing i'm guessing

00:16:17.640 wildly okay okay okay don't wait okay no i won't i won't okay no i mean okay he says i believe at

00:16:24.140 the end of our lives all the yellow lights and the red lights turn green he goes he goes and we

00:16:31.220 see that all those red lights were actually green lights okay so i'm listening to this i'm like okay

00:16:36.620 you know this idea of course you know all of our struggles actually have a kernel of wisdom in them

00:16:40.880 right all everything every challenge in our life not that everything happens for a reason obviously

00:16:46.220 but more just so like there is you know with we we go through the darkness you know no we're gonna

00:16:52.880 unpacked this for two hours anyway so i'm listening to this i'm kind of thinking like 0.86

00:16:56.560 what a fucking like nerd or something and he's going on talking about like i said no to rom-coms 0.89

00:17:01.460 and i said no 1.00

00:17:02.560 no

00:17:06.480 i was a rom-com guy and it was fun and got me that house on the beach

00:17:22.100 and i call my agent i said i'm not the rom-com guy anymore and they and they come and that script

00:17:27.820 comes in four million dollars i read it i say no they come back they go okay six million i said no

00:17:32.760 they come back 10 million dollars for a rom-com i say no they come back 14 million for a rom-com

00:17:38.720 i go i'll read this script again i'm sorry i'm obsessed i love it i go back i look at it's pretty

00:17:44.700 good script i say no matthew mckinney says no i sends a message to hollywood i don't work for a

00:17:50.740 year okay nothing comes in nothing and then and so you know it's this whole thing of course which

00:17:55.980 is the best thing i've ever heard in my life okay which is like you know setting the universe a

00:17:59.800 message no talks about the abundance that came in boom his career changed he's like he's like if you

00:18:04.300 don't know how to rebrand unbrand unbrand he's a god among men he's a god among men okay okay okay

00:18:12.480 okay but but so i'm like listening to this it's like half kind of getting in

00:18:17.140 and then i stop it i'm like okay enough and last night it's like 11 30 and i'm thinking about i

00:18:25.440 find my he's like all the yellow lights become green you're lying there in bed oh yeah thinking

00:18:32.140 about it and then here's the here's the thing okay so cover your ears boys but yesterday morning

00:18:40.800 i think maybe i texted you i woke up so angry because i had like a 12 year old like

00:18:45.100 a perfect circle of blood like blood on my bed same thing happened to me here in the hotel

00:18:49.620 it surprised me I wasn't expecting to anyway and that's so that's why I was stripping my bed right 0.97

00:18:55.320 and I was like filled with this kind of like self-loathing I was like are you fucking kidding 0.99

00:18:59.460 me like I bled on my bed like I'm gonna fucking you know I'm gonna go crazy straight through to 0.98

00:19:04.080 the mattress yeah but it actually was fine it was actually fine so I'm listening to the Matthew 0.99

00:19:08.380 McConaughey I'm stripping my bed and then I'm like cleaning I like get a toothbrush with like

00:19:13.140 stain remover and I'm like grinding the stain out listening to Matthew McConaughey and then

00:19:18.620 the stain's gone and then I go down and I do my sheets and I'm like all the old lights turn green

00:19:24.300 oh my god cleaning the bed the thing that I was so scared of the thing that I was like this is

00:19:30.120 my life energized me it gave me made me feel capable made me feel like guess what I went down 0.93

00:19:36.140 there I did the I bleached the fucking sheets you know what I mean there were these stains there I 0.98

00:19:41.840 was like, these are my beautiful sheets. What do I do? And I was like, I am so powerful. I can do 0.99

00:19:46.280 anything. I'm a woman. I'm an adult. Look at me, look at me world. And so I was like the red light

00:19:52.940 of the bleeding turned into a green light of my day. Absolutely. Well, a perfect circle,

00:19:58.380 a perfect circle on your bed, a perfect red light circle, a perfect red light.

00:20:02.480 That's what you mean, right? Yes. Yes. Genius. I didn't pick that up.

00:20:06.540 There was a red light on your bed.

00:20:09.100 Oh, my God.

00:20:10.640 Okay, wait, hold on.

00:20:11.560 I need to take a minute.

00:20:11.960 Wait, we have to go to break.

00:20:12.860 Let's come right back.

00:20:13.640 We're not done with this, though.

00:20:14.760 Okay.

00:20:19.400 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:20:23.460 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:20:28.600 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:20:32.480 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:20:33.680 It was nature and trees and praying.

00:20:36.540 I'm in drugs.

00:20:37.460 No, I am not your guru.

00:20:41.240 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:20:46.100 There were years, right, where I could not say your name.

00:20:49.100 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:20:57.940 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:21:02.520 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.98

00:21:05.280 I'll teach you sons of **** to come around here and my wife. 0.98

00:21:08.480 Boom. Boom. This is The Red Weather. 1.00

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00:21:54.780 Matthew McConaughey.

00:21:55.480 You know what I always hear sometimes in my head just, I just hear Roark.

00:22:00.300 What?

00:22:00.540 Like, he just always, he called, like, Sandra Bullock's character in A Time to Kill.

00:22:04.140 Like, I think her last name was Rourke.

00:22:06.440 And he's like, Roark.

00:22:07.820 I never saw it.

00:22:09.460 Roark.

00:22:10.600 McConaughey.

00:22:11.400 And first of all, or how is it actually pronounced?

00:22:13.600 I don't know.

00:22:14.320 I was, is it McConaughey?

00:22:16.620 Yeah, right, right, right.

00:22:17.900 Doesn't matter?

00:22:18.940 No, let's go with that.

00:22:20.580 Kind of interesting idea.

00:22:22.020 Doesn't matter.

00:22:23.560 Doesn't matter.

00:22:24.340 Okay, doesn't matter what your brand, your unbrand.

00:22:28.000 Okay, your name.

00:22:29.060 You have no name.

00:22:29.840 You don't know how to rebrand, you unbrand.

00:22:32.660 I mean, that's...

00:22:33.700 He goes, I went to Austin.

00:22:34.860 I went to raise my son.

00:22:36.600 Yeah.

00:22:37.080 He said he went to Austin to raise his son?

00:22:38.780 He goes, I take a year off.

00:22:39.940 I'll go to Austin and raise my boy.

00:22:42.160 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:22:43.720 I'm like, it takes more than a year.

00:22:44.780 It takes more than a year.

00:22:45.400 I know, right?

00:22:45.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:46.200 Was that from zero to one?

00:22:47.660 Was that the three to four?

00:22:48.540 There are these flashes of him.

00:22:51.240 He, and I understand this.

00:22:53.560 Yeah.

00:22:53.740 He really can't help but be utterly delighted by himself in a way that's like,

00:22:57.760 And the moment's really unselfconsciously and it's really scary in the context of this interview that I was listening to.

00:23:04.000 Because he's like, my wife's bogged down with the kids.

00:23:06.320 She's stressed out.

00:23:07.200 I come in, I'm yipping, I'm yipping.

00:23:08.720 Oh, Sadie Joe.

00:23:10.540 He's like doing this whole thing of him like singing and like cracking up his wife.

00:23:16.180 And she's like, I need that.

00:23:17.640 Thank you.

00:23:18.180 You know, whatever.

00:23:19.340 And I'm like, yeah, you're coming in like hooting and hollering. 1.00

00:23:22.840 And your wife is like bogged down raising children alone. 1.00

00:23:26.240 No, right, right.

00:23:27.160 here's the question though like because i really i want at all costs to defend because oh i defend

00:23:33.100 clearly i'm the one who's at 11 11 30 p.m i'm the one going all the red lights turn green

00:23:38.240 like he got in i i mean this is actually really this is interesting on 65 levels okay one being

00:23:45.920 matters who the message comes from wow yeah if some fool said red light green light to me

00:23:54.380 i'd be like that's the feeblest metaphor i've ever heard in my oh you glanced out your window

00:24:00.460 saw a tropic light and reached for it you use something that's literally no you use you use

00:24:05.560 something that's literally like symbols used for babies like on bathroom for children like so they

00:24:10.460 know whether they can go in or not right and adults i guess vacant is usually green yeah yeah

00:24:15.500 right however when you know first of all well when there's history to support it right like okay yeah

00:24:21.640 his career he he nailed it right like he did the thing he's like big star rom-coms and then like

00:24:26.900 and then getting the prestige roles right again or whatever whatever the narrative is

00:24:32.000 okay he knows right like he speaks from he knows from whence he speaks or whence he speaks he is

00:24:38.560 incredible and true detective though i'm more of a woody harrelson man myself yes but you can't

00:24:43.400 deny right woody harrelson guts me oh woody harrelson is absolute no yeah yeah yeah woody

00:24:49.220 harrelson heaven on earth i mean my god there's a sense of depth to the man that is brought to

00:24:55.220 the roles yeah there's an action you feel a life lived and also i'm like that's an actor

00:25:00.520 that's an actor that a kind of actor we just don't get anymore i don't know where are they 0.93

00:25:06.300 i don't see like a 27 year old woody harrelson right now do you because i fucking don't i'm 0.82

00:25:11.540 getting angry i know but is that because some of that has to come with age maybe it's me 0.96

00:25:17.300 oh yeah no exactly maybe it's you no um no no me me no no no no no no no no no i can't

00:25:28.520 i'm just still stuck on mcconaughey but so it matters who the message comes from right

00:25:33.680 the voice like it's all green lights roark the voice delivers no and he he's keenly aware

00:25:39.280 of the voice i mean he he has to be oh and so then the self-awareness okay being delighted 0.99

00:25:44.140 by himself here's what i'm gonna posit if you are that delightful okay if you know your fucking 0.99

00:25:51.560 your fucking gift you know your charm right yeah and in order to let it flow through you 0.98

00:25:58.160 okay you can't constantly be self-hating of your own charm right like that would be literally 0.99

00:26:05.940 exhausting so you're you're you're letting your charm throw flow through you all day while like

00:26:10.380 apologizing for it it's a better life to like also enjoy yourself and you know we could take

00:26:16.300 a tip from that we could take a tip from that because I've always thought there's nothing more

00:26:21.400 embarrassing than looking self-pleased and I I kind of am like but when you're trying so hard to 0.99

00:26:27.440 whatever the fuck you're trying to do it's like the pretty but she doesn't know it labor right 0.84

00:26:32.420 the labor of yeah yeah like I have to spend all day like preparing my appearance and then I have 0.99

00:26:38.260 to act like you know i think i'm a hog or whatever possibly yeah yeah eventually you gotta you gotta

00:26:45.080 let go of the thinking you're a hog i think and just and i think that results in those moments

00:26:48.820 we have to let them be there we have to let them enjoy themselves oh yeah you don't think so no no

00:26:55.520 no no no i'm of course of course it's like it's that it's asking too much i got i got by the way 0.94

00:27:02.400 just now i got this is so stupid no i got distracted what i just said distracted i just 0.56

00:27:07.960 guessed i got distracted because i was thinking about matthew mcconney mcconney you know he did 0.97

00:27:12.060 those buick ads everyone was like this is crazy why is he doing this and in the ad he's driving

00:27:16.600 i'm like i believe the light turns was he like recording but he was like in the buick ad he's

00:27:21.260 like yeah that's what life is like but you're right like like a completely like no but what 0.79

00:27:27.220 you're saying is very real of like the stupidest thing in the world if somebody and this is why 0.88

00:27:34.340 beauty is really scary oh right if a hot person if it comes from a hot person it's just true like 1.00

00:27:43.100 it's scary and you see it in children right like adults are kinder to pretty kids well that shit 1.00

00:27:49.020 is beyond fucked it's so ugly that it can't even be so devastating and i remember even recognizing 0.99

00:27:54.720 that as a child being like you know not that I was some like troll but like I remember one of my 0.99

00:28:01.620 best friends was this really cute blonde haired blue eyed freckles on the nose like tiny little

00:28:10.100 sprite and I remember being like yeah I remember seeing the focus that she would get from teachers

00:28:18.160 or the kind of like them lighting up around her in this way and I remember being jealous of it

00:28:23.300 or being kind of like it hurt if I can't hurt it hurt yeah so like a it's I mean it's just again

00:28:30.240 I'm stating something that we all know but it is we cannot undo it we cannot forget it I mean

00:28:37.660 and then here's the the next level right yeah like me going here's the next level like about

00:28:42.540 my own thought yeah to always suggest that your own thought is like taking it to a deeper and

00:28:47.240 well yours often are jacqueline uh so let her rip no but i so so hit me with the thought

00:28:55.000 hit me with your best thought come on and hit me with your best thought

00:29:02.160 no i had it i changed it to thought no i know i heard both times knew it was happening and then

00:29:07.800 was so taken with the melody that every single time i still ended it was shot yeah so my thought

00:29:13.080 is this so we're like we have to be careful because if it comes in the form of the package 0.96

00:29:17.140 of beauty of you know mcconaughey whatever yeah that they could like sell us shit or whatever 0.81

00:29:23.180 right but then you go the other way and you go yeah but why do we think it's not as real if we 0.78

00:29:31.320 allow ourselves to be influenced purposely so if you decide that the wisdom is good right but you

00:29:37.720 know that the fact that it's matthew mcconaughey is actually in this case making it seem like really

00:29:41.600 good let yourself have it jim saying sure don't be like i got to un i have like oh only if it's

00:29:48.540 coming from a monk from a shriveled yeah yeah no of course because there's i like hearing it from

00:29:54.800 you know someone in the craft business of show business yeah he actually told a story oh my god

00:30:02.400 god this is the best by the way the way that that track is going to fly through the roof on com's

00:30:08.840 app now oh my god you think me promoting matt we quite simply demand yeah we want a lump we want

00:30:18.620 money for this episode calm okay wait okay let me tell you about okay so this episode is not just

00:30:27.020 turning into a synopsis of matthew mcconaughey or however you say his name his calm contribution but

00:30:32.640 he did have this thing where i was like that's cool he's like i was a star i had to take time

00:30:37.480 off I went upstate to a retreat or whatever he's like I'm talking to this monk we're walking for

00:30:41.660 four hours I'm crying my heart out I'm telling him no and and here's where I went wrong and here's

00:30:46.640 where I did this and this is what I struggle with and he doesn't say a word and I'm talking

00:30:49.980 to him for four hours no no no no eventually we get to the top of the mountain he looks at me he

00:30:54.580 says me too oh my god I'm dead I'm dead I'm dead this is the best that is the thing that is

00:31:06.140 pima you know that's the thing of like yeah you know your suffering is not unique whatever like 0.99

00:31:11.100 there is there is real relief in in knowing that we're all i can't slip into this pull me the fuck 0.83

00:31:17.540 out i can't slip no i'll pull you out i'll pull you out no one thinks i just like i know i know 0.72

00:31:21.440 everyone's fine but i can't be here at 8 30 i'm going oh no we all suffer and that is what being

00:31:26.820 human is and we have to remember that in those moments i feel so specific and so so so individual

00:31:31.180 Joel, we have to know that unites us to all living creatures. Like get me the fuck out. 0.97

00:31:35.520 Okay. Sorry. I'm dead. I'm dead. This is also a genius. I love, I love that woman.

00:31:40.200 Let's talk about a goddamn serum because I can't do this anymore. I will say that I'm going, 0.99

00:31:44.900 listen, when you, when you don't have facials for a long time, it's easy to forget that a facial

00:31:49.280 is real. Thank you. I got a facial a few weeks ago. I hadn't been in months and I was like,

00:31:56.260 oh wait a few days later I was like I go years I go years and I texted I texted Lori and I said

00:32:02.960 my skin looks amazing okay so I'm going back for a facial tomorrow that's it that's truly all I'll

00:32:10.100 say but but would she ever let would she ever do a duel and we record live that's literally my way

00:32:15.160 trying to get in on your appointment no there's no I mean her office is truly just her it's just

00:32:20.460 her and there's a table I mean no I know yeah I meant I sit in a chair next to it I tip my head 0.90

00:32:25.380 back and she moves back and forth between us she would totally do that she would totally do that

00:32:31.940 if we did that while recording but how would i be recording how would i be recorded yeah i don't

00:32:38.960 know i just want i just want to i just want a facial the point is yeah the point is that i'm

00:32:45.900 excited to get a facial you're running though you're running wait hold on you're running from

00:32:51.240 the other thing because you thought you were turning into that woman that's we we tell our

00:32:56.040 stories we all tell our stories and yeah yeah yeah the pain is the pain is is where we belong

00:33:04.120 what if we were to wrap our arms around that pain what if we were to go into it say hey pain what if

00:33:10.800 we were to take our pain out to lunch yeah yeah it's oh god it's so embarrassing um the fact that

00:33:17.680 like so people are like oh do you prepare for poop i'm like never i'm like sometimes i text

00:33:21.200 something to kate or like you do to me i don't want to talk about and then like the idea that

00:33:24.600 like what i chose to write down what you write down click clicking clicking the remote thing

00:33:28.940 wait now i'm trying to find those little things they sent you where are they assessing which

00:33:32.500 water is free wait what nearly impossible in a hotel room oh i know nearly impossible well

00:33:39.840 because they used to have they used to put the fiji bottle in the room and then it had the door

00:33:44.840 hanger on it to be like don't you careful this is eight dollars and now guess what they say 0.97

00:33:49.680 what they don't give you a warning they've removed the handle they want you to fuck up yeah 0.84

00:33:54.800 so I come into this okay a couple things one I stayed at a one hotel and not to do more free 0.60

00:34:02.840 advertising but the one hotel they kind of have like an eco uh effort going well they have to

00:34:08.340 hotels or yeah I know but they're not all moving over I mean it's that industry is just whatever

00:34:13.920 so so the one hotels are trying to do it different and i they have a thing and i stayed in two hotels

00:34:19.140 i went toronto in the new york they have a thing in the room it says all the water in this hotel

00:34:26.120 every drop is filtered is pee pee yeah no filter oh okay the tap water is filtered oh very cool

00:34:35.700 okay now in the new york one they even had like this divot in the wall you know like a to fill

00:34:42.300 up your bottle yes with a with a spigot I love that I love that literally a like wheel like

00:34:48.920 you're on a submarine I would cream my jeans for that I want that in my home valve wheel

00:34:55.480 I think it might be the most number one vile expression because cream your jeans

00:35:03.160 I hate that expression moving on wait that's that's that's that's incredible but wait so

00:35:10.380 they have that in the room and then they have not just for filling up your bottle they have glass

00:35:14.320 crafts and and beautiful this is what it should be yes it's what it should be it's beautiful

00:35:20.580 and um i really enjoyed that no just i come in and it's like there's a bottle that has the kind

00:35:27.300 of top that is attached with two wires like oh yeah yeah sure the craft so here i'll show you

00:35:35.960 It's one of these.

00:35:36.660 I wish I could.

00:35:37.740 Yeah, no, of course.

00:35:38.780 I knew exactly what you were talking about.

00:35:39.780 Oh, you knew?

00:35:40.540 Yes, I knew instantly.

00:35:41.860 Okay, I didn't clock anything on your face resembling recognition.

00:35:45.960 Wait, the hotel filled that up or that's a branded water?

00:35:49.420 Unclear, okay?

00:35:50.560 Oh.

00:35:50.800 Because it says, here's what it, so to me now there's no, this is like this,

00:35:54.220 but there's no plastic seal on it.

00:35:56.060 So to me it can't come from a factory like that.

00:35:58.120 Right, so no, it can't possibly be new.

00:36:00.900 Right, but then there's a brand, it doesn't say whatever,

00:36:03.080 And then it says Vivreau advanced water systems.

00:36:06.420 To me, that means this is free and there's a filter downstairs.

00:36:10.220 Free filter.

00:36:10.800 Of course.

00:36:11.540 Tell me, tell me that that's what it is.

00:36:13.240 I mean, it's gotta be.

00:36:14.200 And I've, I've been drinking it under that assumption.

00:36:16.020 And I have to believe that.

00:36:17.520 It has to be.

00:36:18.040 You, they, listen, if it's.

00:36:19.940 Cause there was Avion in the fridge.

00:36:21.400 No, you're in the clear.

00:36:22.880 You're in the clear.

00:36:23.700 They cannot offer you unsealed water and expect you to pay.

00:36:26.660 That's the hotel filter.

00:36:28.200 And that's what it should be.

00:36:30.200 Okay.

00:36:30.580 trust me every six days i wake up in a cold sweat and go why don't i have under the sink

00:36:36.520 filtration for my home because yeah well i have the aqua true but the thing about the aqua true

00:36:42.580 as it goes with any countertop filtration system i want bottomless water because i go i'm thirsty

00:36:49.120 i go over to the aqua true it's empty i want to throw the thing against the wall you and you want

00:36:53.900 an elf you want it you want an elf community refilling it for you yes i want elves working

00:36:59.000 tiny elves working overtime under the sink now aqua true i believe actually hasn't hasn't under

00:37:06.300 the sink elven system yeah okay and that would be genius god we should be hired for every brand

00:37:16.200 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather

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00:38:54.100 I want your love.

00:38:57.380 You trying to get on Do Not Disturb was exciting.

00:39:00.020 Let's see.

00:39:00.680 Oh, my God.

00:39:01.320 Yesterday.

00:39:01.820 So Jacqueline, Jacqueline Novak is on Do Not Disturb.

00:39:05.240 Even though we text, I know that I'm safe to break through, but I'll text you sometimes

00:39:09.600 and it'll say Jacqueline's on Do Not Disturb.

00:39:10.840 I know, but I'll text you sometimes.

00:39:12.280 I'll say Jacqueline's on Do Not Disturb.

00:39:14.240 And I have a particularly intense work week this week and I was getting overwhelmed receiving

00:39:19.880 texts and having to send, actually, you know, the next few weeks I'm really underwater,

00:39:23.720 you know, like all of that.

00:39:24.640 And I thought, wouldn't that be, is it rude or is it actually nice?

00:39:28.060 Because I panicked about forgetting to text someone back and then they think I'm rude.

00:39:33.920 Just throw on the Joan Disturb.

00:39:36.220 I'll say this.

00:39:37.000 I had, I had, I suffered from SIM card failure yesterday.

00:39:41.120 Are you joking?

00:39:41.900 My phone could not receive.

00:39:43.460 No, this has never happened.

00:39:44.920 Suddenly my phone just didn't work.

00:39:47.220 No texts.

00:39:48.040 Couldn't make or receive calls.

00:39:49.820 And I was like.

00:39:50.360 After you had done the settings?

00:39:52.260 No, no, no.

00:39:52.800 this is yesterday before all of this there's nothing here except that i had to go to the

00:39:57.420 verizon store and i and i had experienced some card failure and the clock and the thing happened

00:40:01.460 what what you haven't talked about returning your dyson okay okay okay here we go here we go oh but

00:40:08.560 i just want to say this yeah please there was a period so there was a maybe a there was a almost

00:40:12.680 24 hour period where my phone really wasn't working properly and i thought and here's what i want to

00:40:19.220 say? Red light, red light. I actually ended up missing an important work call. Was it a green

00:40:25.080 light? When will it be revealed as a green light? But everything was fine. But I just want to say

00:40:29.200 that, cause you know, if you, if you email someone or you text someone or you call them and they

00:40:33.020 don't call you back and you're like, they're dead to me. Right. Or you're like, well, they hate me.

00:40:37.460 And it's like, we have to remember that sometimes there are these flukes. Oh, you're so funny.

00:40:42.160 like sometimes you do have to follow up what what no i mean completely like not only is it

00:40:49.860 oh maybe they're having sim card failure there's literally one million reasons that someone

00:40:54.800 can't text you back either immediately or that day or whatever that are all legit completely

00:41:01.360 and i'm very forgiving with that no totally and you just and and you have to and just because

00:41:07.780 you can't imagine. Just the limitations of the other person's imagination are leading them to

00:41:13.740 find you rude. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not technically to me rude to, I don't think everyone's owed a

00:41:22.060 response. No, they're not. They're not. Technically even at all, they burst into your life. Okay.

00:41:27.600 Wait, hang on. Let me go to the Dyson. No, I know. Let me go to the Dyson. So I talked about this on

00:41:32.140 the last on last week's episode i'm here to formally say i'm returning my dyson it's packed

00:41:37.780 up here's how much i don't like it i don't even want to use it anymore as a trial i gave it two 0.94

00:41:44.160 blows and i said get out of my fucking house it doesn't work for my hair texture and for some it 0.96

00:41:49.240 might be great i i do not believe in the dyson so a couple days ago my hair is wet i'm looking at 0.99

00:41:56.960 the brand new 450 something dollar dyson and i'm looking at my 10 year old hair dryer that i think

00:42:05.240 retails for a little over a hundred dollars and i go i'm going back and guess what i blew my hair

00:42:11.540 out with my old ancient hair dryer did you clean out the filter yet and i went well there's the

00:42:17.940 texture i want because that's all you need i don't want to talk about it still no um i'm not sure how

00:42:22.980 it's like well whatever we'll figure that out i have another one for you to try i want to say

00:42:26.920 I had an interesting experience this week. So I wanted to demonstrate plopping for you

00:42:30.700 because I thought it'd be interesting before heading over to a show to like do the t-shirt

00:42:35.740 plopping thing, whatever. I tried to plop at home and couldn't. I hate that it's called plopping.

00:42:40.520 It's a nightmare. And we're, let's stop. And for those unclear, it's about, it's a technique of

00:42:45.260 drying your hair. But to be clear from now on, we will not use the term plopping. This is your

00:42:49.740 chance to realize that we're, if we are going to reference that, we're going to call it t-shirt

00:42:53.860 uh clamp drying anything yeah so the desire to just participate in some of these sort of trends

00:43:02.320 probably seeking community right absolutely so so i did it the other week i'm like i'm gonna do it

00:43:07.560 on the way to my show i literally went to the show in the thing i showed you in the plop in the clamp

00:43:13.000 took it down i'm like look it dried like shit now i also believe that was because 0.53

00:43:18.140 the shampoo in the hotel was not right for me stripping yeah no no that's not it i realized 0.91

00:43:24.640 i realized it's not it's not shampoo shampoo's fine hotel shampoo was great for me 0.88

00:43:28.240 water for whatever reason the detroit water fucked me it's my hair's not used to okay that is real 0.95

00:43:34.620 that is real water is fucking no water is water like new york city tap water used to set used to 0.99

00:43:43.280 be amazing for my curls i don't know where never i think it probably still is i'll tell you what i 0.98

00:43:47.620 I think happened. So New York city was how my hair was, my products, everything is adjusted

00:43:53.240 around and my hair to that water. It was great. So then I remember I would go to LA on a trip

00:43:58.520 for a weekend, wash my hair once. Oh, gunk town. Just the flattest, limpest, healthy. Yeah. Oh,

00:44:05.560 wow. Hell hair, just like shit. And then now living in LA, living here long enough, 1.00

00:44:12.320 it has apparently adjusted and my routines have adjusted, you know, without thinking about it,

00:44:17.240 right you just sort of slowly adjust fascinating yeah and then although i wonder though i kind of

00:44:22.380 feel like maybe new york water is still better for it i feel like when i go to new york and wash

00:44:26.160 it's good instantly like new york you can go both directions yeah oh yeah so then i do the thing it

00:44:31.980 drives bad and i even try to send you a pic to be like look how great it is just like wanting the

00:44:35.700 system to be real meanwhile you know next next day i do my classic in a rush get out of the shower 0.90

00:44:42.600 comb it once okay don't touch it i don't scrunch i do fucking nothing it dries okay it's flat on 0.85

00:44:50.720 top but i don't mind it i kind of like how it looks because then i flip it and that's when i 0.94

00:44:54.380 get the volume yeah and it dries like the best it ever drives it's like the issue of wanting

00:44:58.660 a routine wanting a product wanting a technique to fill your life my tour manager emma for example

00:45:05.120 talking about going to the dermatologist and like trying to tell the derm about like the great new

00:45:08.960 products she's using so i've got the trunk elephant and whatever and then like the dermatologist being

00:45:13.460 wildly unimpressed yeah because they're like you don't need any of that you know and that's the

00:45:19.680 like the derm only wants to be like tretinoin good day sir you know what i mean yeah yeah and

00:45:25.400 they might even be right but they don't understand we want pleasure like we want the pleasure of

00:45:30.680 of a life the trends are fun the promise the promise of a new way has been discovered it's

00:45:38.140 very or an old way like the Denman almost like you know on the back of a goodie hairbrush they

00:45:43.020 would literally have instructions and it was like the funniest thing like for a soft wave move it

00:45:47.480 like this and you're like that's not real you know what I mean yeah yeah and then now the people are

00:45:51.560 sort of unearthing the original and they're being like it was real would you like to see something

00:45:58.500 I've accepted both in my white sweatshirt and in other white sweatshirts because I will not be

00:46:02.900 limited to not wearing white sweat it's like you know my merch and whatever or this one this is

00:46:06.940 the Greer LinkedIn Doll Club one. It's fantastic. Because they get dirty or whatever. Because of

00:46:11.120 though they get dirty. It's like, who cares? All of them have this because I drink coffee. Yeah.

00:46:16.580 Yeah. And I'm not ashamed. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't know. That's where I'm at right

00:46:20.880 now. Listen, we got to wrap up. Do you have a lot of elevator dreams? Because there's an elevator

00:46:25.100 here. I'm staying on the 60th floor. That's high. And the elevator is pure glass. 60. That's

00:46:31.320 wait 60 what yeah the 60th floor six zero 60 floors wow and that's not even the top floor but

00:46:38.220 the elevator's glass okay and you rise up and guess what they don't make it any slower

00:46:46.300 oh in fact i think they make it faster you know how really tall skyscrapers the elevator goes fast

00:46:52.160 because they got to get you up there yeah yeah it's fast and then all the buildings that are

00:46:57.240 around the hotel are not as tall as this one i'm actually good so there comes a moment it comes a

00:47:03.580 moment where you get to where all the tops of the buildings are you're looking at and then you keep

00:47:07.800 going so you you feel exactly like the elevator has charlie and chocolate factory lifted out of

00:47:13.080 the building and you're just like you're flying unhinged yeah yeah and i'm like i've had this

00:47:16.680 nightmare a number of times oh i also have a nightmare where the elevator moves sideways

00:47:22.560 Oh, interesting.

00:47:24.520 So it goes up and then it's flying around the building and sideways.

00:47:28.520 And the elevator is one of those classics.

00:47:30.000 Up and down, baby.

00:47:31.100 Jungian, you know, representation of the consciousness, going up, going down.

00:47:35.180 Me going up and down, baby, as if that's what you were.

00:47:38.680 You're like, well, you know, elevator's classic going up and down.

00:47:42.160 Like me chiming in with that.

00:47:44.180 Jesus.

00:47:44.560 No, I loved it.

00:47:45.360 Okay.

00:47:45.960 Yeah.

00:47:46.220 I well I was gonna say some one thing COVID did do is we didn't go in buildings for a long time

00:47:52.040 like we weren't inside buildings so if like there is a thing I'm like I haven't been up high in a

00:47:56.720 building in years oh yeah you've been you've been down on the earth so it's like it used to be like

00:48:02.860 oh you go in yeah you're like oh yeah 10th floor 12th floor 8th floor something but forget about

00:48:10.060 that no we've been padding around on the earth or I or I'll just say I remember when I went to

00:48:15.780 Las Vegas with John years ago and we were staying on like the 74th floor or something and laying in

00:48:23.840 the bed at night and being like almost like I could move to the point of nausea by how high

00:48:30.000 in the air I was my body was just up there floating that and I was thinking about all

00:48:34.820 everything that was below me like here's just my body right what's directly below me particularly

00:48:40.580 in a hotel and just thinking about going all the way down it's overwhelming you know exactly what

00:48:45.760 below you the exact same room yeah with a different person directly below me asleep below them yeah

00:48:52.000 i mean it never stacked buildings buildings are crazy technically unnatural right oh like in one

00:48:59.600 sense they're unnatural and certainly a skyscraper it's unnatural for one life to be unfolding

00:49:04.780 directly above and directly beneath another life unfolding like how is that yeah energetically

00:49:11.020 weird it is no i think that's pretty interesting that's pretty if you live in a high rise if you're

00:49:16.760 if you're living in a high rise for a long for you know 20 years 10 years i'm starting face yoga

00:49:21.980 again something's going on okay we gotta go which is tragic but true all right i love you i love ya

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - March 22, 2022

A God Among Men

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