Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - All About Gut Health

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00:01:05.080 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.540 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.640 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

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00:01:19.560 Today's topic, loosely speaking, gut health, death by bus, Kublai Khan.

00:01:25.540 well by the way i know i'm not always going to say morning poog but this is actually the

00:01:31.140 earliest morning poog well a true yeah this is this is probably the biggest morning poog

00:01:37.780 experience for me i i did one of my classics of like i had 10 alarms set you know every eight

00:01:44.740 minutes in the last hour to make sure and then i got into the shower not in it but on its edge

00:01:50.900 i sit there it runs on my feet it burns my feet the steam warms me and i drink my coffee in there

00:01:56.740 huddled against the wall of the shower like it's this thing of enacting the horror of being awake

00:02:02.980 and the feeling of sort of helps me to wake up into the world is a cold cold experience

00:02:08.780 even here in sunny la wow well i woke up um hang on let me think here i'm a little bit brain dead

00:02:16.000 today oh it'll be fine it'll be fine i haven't washed my hair in um i guess i washed it on

00:02:23.200 saturday now it's tuesday it's wednesday oh no see that's so interesting that's nothing that's

00:02:29.540 totally like don't you know they tell you i know that but my hair becomes you can't imagine the

00:02:35.880 rat's nest in the back i mean it's so and i was somewhere people were smoking cigarettes and so

00:02:41.060 i have this like cigarettes rat's nest i mean it's disgusting the fact that i got into my bed

00:02:45.180 with that head but cigarettes in the hair is so specific and such a feeling of like it's a little

00:02:51.920 glamorous to like totally totally you know have cigarettes smoke trapped in your rat's nest no

00:02:56.640 it's absolutely like glamour waking up a corine or whatever like a chorus girl in the 1920s

00:03:02.920 i saw you just using your your compact your westman atelier compact putting on a touch of

00:03:09.660 of color and because i don't have a stitch on and i like i feel like i really look and feel

00:03:17.300 particularly haggard this morning and my plan was like after we do this i haven't done any physical

00:03:22.460 exercise in a week at least and so i was thinking i would do that after poog and then wash my hair

00:03:28.840 this is when we get into how it you know takes four hours to work out my entire day now focused

00:03:35.140 around the hair, the washing of the hair post-workout. Also, I won't even sweat. I'm doing

00:03:39.140 low impact floor Pilates. Not a bead will form. Not a bead. Not a bead. And sweating, I'm now,

00:03:45.540 you know, there's a lot of talk, detox, right? Shedding the toxins, right? And then I hear people

00:03:49.520 say, that's completely fake. It's bullshit. Your body does that. Like you're not doing, you know, 1.00

00:03:54.360 but the sweating thing is real. And I'm now, of course, terrified. I think I'm finally ready to

00:03:59.680 get a colonic. I think I've done the emotional work. Are you scared? Not at all. I'm excited

00:04:04.540 to have the conversation i've tons to add okay i thought you got scared and so i've always been

00:04:09.760 scared because i've inherited that fear for my mother among her other fears and her kind of

00:04:15.960 being like yeah yeah i mean like it washes out the good bacteria are also just like it seems scary

00:04:21.160 and i've always been scared that if i were to get a colonic it would like rupture my intestine i'd

00:04:25.480 die on the table right i i always go straight to death on the table and so i'm trying to

00:04:30.740 so fabulous well because i'm i'm convinced i have like thanksgiving dinner from 2009

00:04:39.220 like lodged in my upper intestine like it's all and you know all this talk about the poison and

00:04:44.840 the air and the water and the food you know even if you eat organ even if you eat organic

00:04:48.860 even if you eat organic food the toxins are in the water that it's like it's over right so

00:04:56.580 oh no we'll talk about it during act two yeah but so i'm now like okay i need the colonic

00:05:04.180 you know maybe once a year for the rest of my life but it's okay thoughts so many

00:05:09.900 one i had a huge cough no i don't know go you got one dying on the table is so

00:05:17.420 fabulous okay it's the only way to say it i mean imagine um dying during early surgery like during

00:05:24.840 like when they were pioneers such as the nick my favorite my favorite program okay the nick was

00:05:30.980 sensational the renegade surgeon but just generally the concept of dying on a metal table in that way

00:05:36.520 screaming while they you know try to tie your you know your intestines together you're not even

00:05:42.160 screaming i think it's worse than not screaming it's just being you're knocked out you don't even

00:05:46.380 know you're dying well the true the true death on the table and we might have to return to this

00:05:51.140 because i'll forget but but we we should talk about near-death experiences on the operating

00:05:57.060 table because that's probably my favorite subject but let's let's go there because talk about not

00:06:01.580 knowing you're dying you're walking down the hallway of the room okay but wait take me back

00:06:05.480 okay are you ready one yeah your fear of rupturing is by virtue of what material like the colonic

00:06:11.040 hose yeah just some fear by the way this is already so healing you're helping me face the

00:06:16.120 fear because it's like it's not gonna happen but yeah i fear because i'm calm i fear that the water

00:06:20.860 will the water itself how shoot the yeah the sheer force of the water or there's something

00:06:25.940 wrong with me where like you know some issue that i have lurking in there will become dislodged

00:06:31.540 right exposed well a couple things one it's not a hose down oh yeah okay it's not a pressure wash

00:06:39.140 it's not my pronunciation today did you hear that oh yeah maybe maybe because you're so close to

00:06:46.220 sleep and you were just dreaming of another lifetime okay where you had that accent

00:06:51.400 oh god don't you wish to be one of those people who gets knocked on the head and wakes up speaking

00:06:57.940 another language imagine imagine the indignity of my life the fact that i don't i thought that's

00:07:05.780 never happened to me when i want it so badly much like a streak of traumatized white hair you know

00:07:10.360 that what's that you know there was a boy who got into an accident and couldn't come to school but

00:07:18.480 when you know that song you're not you're not referencing anything i can't even pull it up to

00:07:23.000 my head but anyway it's it's um the shock of you know when they get the shock of white hair of

00:07:28.360 course trauma wake up in the morning the day after the birds flew through the window and okay so so

00:07:35.240 anyway this on you defranco i don't know yeah no that was just me speaking you thought i was

00:07:39.680 listen to lyrics again oh no earlier it was but i can't pull the name of that um that song maybe

00:07:45.920 theta can i just have to know now not of course you're not interested you're never interested if

00:07:50.680 i bring up a song you don't know of course you wouldn't be it's fair my literacy with musicals

00:07:54.300 is once again not a musical this is hysterical okay it's merely a song from like 96 okay but

00:08:01.800 it's a song that i will send you later and we'll discuss it later on food because it's really

00:08:05.100 it's interesting all right so it's not a hose down right okay okay right pressure washing the

00:08:10.460 walls like someone doing your roof so so it's not it's actually a slow filling oh god i'm gonna

00:08:16.160 throw up really okay you saying slow filling i mean that is enough to make me just talk about

00:08:20.700 diet on the table i just well i mean burying the lead i'm sorry i'm sorry skipping over a huge

00:08:26.400 detail have you done it yes oh more than once no i mean classically i got a three pack or whatever

00:08:33.380 on Lifebooker. Okay. I, I'm not afraid to go for a deal even when it, when it's a minor surgery

00:08:40.840 or whatever you want to call this. Okay. It was like literally Lifebooker or whatever, you know,

00:08:45.500 what's that other one that whatever it doesn't matter. Thank you. I think it was Groupon in New

00:08:50.200 York city. It was pretty sensational and exciting experience. Um, my, my energy levels had plummeted

00:08:56.560 okay and my abdomen was distended you know to regularly of course being asked if i'm pregnant

00:09:04.220 a constant story of my life oh christ remind me later maybe to tell you about the phone store man

00:09:11.280 and what he said okay okay so i opted to go to the woman's apartment okay because she had an option 1.00

00:09:18.800 of like go downtown to the office or she has a setup in her home and the setup in her home was

00:09:23.660 two blocks away so i went to this high rise in the upper west side i went in the husband opens

00:09:29.660 the door he's sauteing um bok choy something being sauteed sauteed probably about nine feet

00:09:36.260 from oh the hallway bathroom the hallway bathroom okay this was set up in the hallway bathroom okay

00:09:43.580 so but it was cozy okay and i went in and i go like yeah my you know my stomach's really bloated

00:09:48.680 what's the season i can't access that for some reason in my memory okay it definitely wasn't

00:09:52.720 the dead of winter and i don't recall i'm picturing maybe it was i feel like it was summer

00:09:57.440 feels like summer so he's sauteing and he's kind of like cozy and he's like she's the best you

00:10:03.860 know like about like she's the best in the biz kind of thing about about his wife and then i go

00:10:08.620 into the little hall bathroom and there's like a folding table in the in the i'm truly this is

00:10:15.300 making me woozy yeah and then there's whatever is hooked up to the toilet like a tank or something

00:10:20.400 the sink and i get on the table and it's like you get in a fetal position drop trow

00:10:26.620 drop trow you're right i don't even remember dropping trow it's interesting but of course

00:10:31.020 i was right i mean i had to have been naked from the waist down i mean i don't recall a

00:10:38.460 pulling the underwear aside situation which would be oh my god like far too erotic yeah exactly

00:10:44.940 particularly like what the underwear is and i would argue it's like worse if like i feel like 0.98

00:10:52.840 there's a certain type of woman that wears like you know the hanky pinky like like lace thong

00:10:58.400 whatever into the beauty treatments and i'm like i'm not that woman you know it's like yeah it's

00:11:04.820 like a child's baggy pair of hanes or whatever occasionally yeah and so this is the key okay

00:11:12.540 and i talk about this in my book because it was partly and i just say that as the humiliation

00:11:16.820 obviously of jesus sorry in text but on the table she's going um so i'm like ready for her to insert

00:11:22.700 the tube right and she goes what is she goes um push okay she's a push oh god i'm gonna throw up 0.81

00:11:29.880 okay push push push okay and so i start flexing i start bearing dice or flexing my anus yeah 0.74

00:11:38.460 at her to open up the to open it up like a this is my book like a mute frog okay wildly into the 0.62

00:11:47.060 night and opening at her and she's like push and i'm like i i assume she means bear down to open it

00:11:53.220 up for her and so i'm just saying like i'm just croaking it at her and she sees because of course

00:11:58.700 she does she's looking at my butt okay so she sees the movement and she's like no push it in

00:12:04.740 she has to grab my hand because she's trying to say here you insert it she's always trying to 0.96

00:12:10.740 hand me you have to do your own insertion that seems completely ridiculous well and so i was 0.99

00:12:17.460 like oh it's like the humiliation of just croaking my anus at her like a flower singing okay in 0.98

00:12:23.260 silence so something was i mean for someone to see that small of a movement for someone to see 0.94

00:12:29.000 that small of a movement and know there's an intention there yeah yeah it was deeply intimate

00:12:34.200 so then you insert it wait a minute you had you had to physically insert yourself i look right

00:12:39.560 there what am i paying for it's not going deep i'm well maybe no it doesn't go deep because again

00:12:45.080 it's a filling lube it up it must have been just picturing like a dry a dry plastic shoving into 0.97

00:12:50.580 your anus ripping that well they open the plastic of you know oh this is your fresh tube like yeah 0.96

00:12:56.780 yeah but you know what the problem is you know what the problem is kate we all now we all now 0.99

00:13:03.760 have access to like home lamination or is this okay we all have systems now they sell them

00:13:10.640 so that people can put their vegetables in their own plastic wrap and seal the edges okay so the

00:13:16.440 technology it's no longer creating factory sealed yeah we can no longer trust it they rip open the

00:13:25.440 plastic and we're supposed to scream with delight the illusion yeah also factory sealed is not 0.95

00:13:33.860 the promise you think it is okay shit goes down there i mean you know the amount of trace dna 0.97

00:13:41.660 from the john bonnet documentaries you have trace dna a pair of clean underpants from the factory 0.96

00:13:46.980 wait was there trace there was trace dna it's everywhere i think trace dna is like

00:13:52.280 impossible to not have oh god it's like inspector number four two six it's like they're like they

00:13:57.160 cough on your yes oh my god of course and you know in some ways it's almost comforting i always

00:14:02.800 i was actually gonna say there's something nice about that artisan not full automation

00:14:08.460 yeah like i saw toilet paper going by on a video about toilet paper production

00:14:14.340 the other day okay and i saw it like literally couldn't remember the word i was gonna say

00:14:22.020 bales of toilet paper okay meaning the individuals not even okay and they're riding by in open air

00:14:27.960 in the open air of the factory oh oh my god we're never protecting like of course like they're not

00:14:36.640 sealed at every step it's not like the paper's created there's cough on there somebody coughed

00:14:41.560 in the factory and then open air it's like there is something kind of the erotics of capitalism

00:14:46.100 even when you reach the heights of automation the human human trace cannot be escaped right

00:14:51.580 flesh will not absolutely not nature will find a way yeah labor inherently has sweat on it labor

00:15:00.000 cannot be separated from the human body right because what is what is i'm soaring yeah no no

00:15:05.280 i'm really i'm just following this because um and also i mean you know a huge question is despite

00:15:11.940 you know occasional factory visits of the uh school variety of ben and jerry's tour okay i

00:15:18.860 I mean, can you imagine getting less like less of a penetrating view of what factory work must be like than going to the Ben and Jerry's factory?

00:15:27.440 Yeah, exactly. And they're like, they have like eight people grinning like we get to make ice cream all day.

00:15:33.440 Yes. OK. And like giving you little samples and like whatever.

00:15:36.200 It's just I guess what I'm saying is who knows?

00:15:39.820 God, factory life. I've just realized I have a rich envisionment of factory life that is probably not accurate.

00:15:46.020 Oh, yeah. We don't know what the hell is going on.

00:15:47.580 so she puts it in she starts filling me up okay okay or i put it in she's not a deep insertion

00:15:53.340 okay okay okay anyway it's just you know okay and and then instantly nauseous continue gonna fill

00:15:59.180 it start start filling you okay and so she flips a switch and the water starts flowing in and it's

00:16:03.900 not a pressure hose feeling okay it's just a um you'll feel a bit of uh pressure light pressure

00:16:09.480 fullness yeah yeah truly woozy jack as you're talking i'm like gonna fall off my chair but

00:16:14.660 i feel like this is the exposure you need if you're gonna go in i know i know keep going

00:16:18.260 because i'm truly getting dizzy this is hysterical sliding down uh she's disappeared

00:16:23.140 from frame yeah okay i mean i don't i have to i'm just i don't keep going keep going so so it's

00:16:29.200 filling up and she goes let me know when you need to release okay when the urge to expel comes on

00:16:35.280 you okay and i'm like waiting and i'm wanting my money's worth do you understand so right right i

00:16:43.040 don't want pain is the classic I don't want them to stop because they think I'm uncomfortable not

00:16:47.380 unlike last week with the I was worried they're gonna pull off my lash gel early and I'm gonna

00:16:51.400 have less good lash so I'm like determined to grin and bear it but I'm actually feeling almost

00:16:55.760 nothing I mean it's slightly feeling but I'm really not feeling anything she's like waiting

00:16:59.880 for me to be like she's like now like how you doing like wow you're good like you know because

00:17:07.240 I'm letting it fill me up to the neck right the water's bubbling at my chin yeah it's shooting at

00:17:12.160 your mouth yeah and my shoulders are plumping okay and i'm coughing it out yeah and wide and

00:17:20.320 red in the face and um and she's just acting like i'm good so i'm like grinning and bearing it even

00:17:25.120 further and then i'm like all right it's getting a little tight here balloon might burst and so

00:17:29.380 yeah yeah so i release whatever and then it's just the water so what does she do pulls the hose out 0.99

00:17:34.560 no so this is still what what this is still via the hose it shoots back in the shit goes through 0.99

00:17:40.640 those well it's not just shit the water has to come out i believe the water went back the other 0.99

00:17:45.540 direction god that sounds unsanitary but yeah what's right into the bok choy when she hits release 0.98

00:17:52.060 right into the what the reservoir right into the bok choy 0.59

00:17:57.140 literally bok choy is using like and honestly didn't even gross me out like

00:18:04.040 it just didn't it was really honestly comforting the sounds of the saute they're like okay you know

00:18:09.720 the garlic the onion in the pants one of the greatest smells in the universe i know that's

00:18:13.260 all you need so god i wonder if i'm misremembering this but she flips the switch you're still on the

00:18:18.660 table is my point right yeah so something has to come back out as far as i recall and then

00:18:22.940 and then i think she's like get off get on the toilet okay and her home toilet i mean jesus yeah

00:18:30.140 and so i'm like or maybe it was like this maybe it was like do you need to go or something i was

00:18:35.300 like not really like i was still fine i hadn't triggered the peristelsis that are whatever and

00:18:40.520 so it was like by the way i'm just going to acknowledge something which is we're diving

00:18:44.760 into the world of colonics without even once raising the question of of what the benefit of

00:18:49.340 doing it is yeah do you know what i'm saying i think that's interesting like and i'm not even

00:18:53.840 sure i mean there's a variety of promised benefits but it's like it's not even about that it's about

00:18:57.640 like the experience for me i wanted bloat to decrease i wanted digestion to improve okay

00:19:02.920 because the bloat was a thing and the idea to me was about because you talk about thanksgiving

00:19:12.380 dinner you want to get you want to get even better detail sometimes you hear stories about 0.97

00:19:16.060 like a crayon from kindergarten coming out now that's the shit that gets me hooked okay that's 0.99

00:19:24.440 the shit yeah from the 80s yeah button from the 80s oh yeah that says like totally like my mother's 1.00

00:19:29.980 jewelry just comes pouring out of me yeah not that's the shit that gets me to sign up oh god 1.00

00:19:35.480 okay i think we gotta go to break there's so much on the horizon for us i know all right off you go 0.98

00:19:39.840 this is writer strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:19:49.360 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor anna trainer disappeared from a commune

00:19:56.100 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:19:57.480 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:20:01.120 So no, I am not your guru.

00:20:04.900 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:20:07.520 I lied to police.

00:20:08.800 I lied to everybody.

00:20:09.800 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:20:12.760 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:20:15.440 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:20:18.120 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:20:21.660 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:20:24.520 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:20:26.100 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.98

00:20:29.140 I'll teach you sons of **** to come around here and my wife. 0.97

00:20:32.140 Boom, boom. 0.99

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00:20:47.400 Welcome home, boys.

00:20:49.680 Welcome home.

00:20:50.720 Come home.

00:20:52.040 Okay, now, hello.

00:20:53.920 I'll wrap it up.

00:20:56.100 with the colonic i'm trying to think what is the key detail all right i want to go more detail i

00:20:59.840 want to slow it down yeah all right well pull from me what you want pull from me what you want

00:21:04.600 she goes what so there's something like do you need to get on the trail i'm like no i'm still

00:21:08.260 not feeling anything really okay and so then i think i go to the toilet and she she leaves me

00:21:13.980 to go chat with the husband while i go and it's like nothing's really happening or maybe a little

00:21:18.240 bit whatever but it's not like some major release and so she comes back in i'm like all right get

00:21:22.840 back on the table she's gonna fill me up again okay she fills me up again and this time she

00:21:27.360 sort of grabs this was what impressed grabs your thighs grabs my belly okay yeah like as if by the 1.00

00:21:35.340 belly fat itself okay but like a hard grip like you're trying to get a basketball and she starts 0.89

00:21:40.000 shaking it okay oh god shaking the stomach with the oh god like i'm a jar of rouse okay to fill

00:21:49.200 it up more no like to jar of rouse sauce okay to clean it out like there's a little left in the

00:21:55.580 thing spaghetti sauce you fill it in the sink you close it you shake it up to get the loose

00:21:59.840 or to loosen it so she's starts shaking my belly okay and then we start to get some you know the

00:22:06.760 cramps of peristalsis or whatever okay and what is peristalsis sorry i threw that in um no i know

00:22:12.720 what that feels familiar but what is that oh you'll be reminded it's the um it's the muscular

00:22:17.560 the wave-like muscular movements that draw food through the through the digestive tract down oh

00:22:24.820 yeah or down the esophagus yeah yeah it massages it down got it right right sure and so we got it 0.99

00:22:32.320 going and what she said was you have a sluggish system like if you shoot water up your ass your 0.98

00:22:38.160 body like should want to start booting it out eject it yeah or start like peristalsing mine 0.98

00:22:43.180 just sat there like a bag okay i feel like that's what happened to me and i'm like this is my issue

00:22:47.100 right this is this is why i'm here okay so it's almost like she gets it going it finally stimulates

00:22:52.100 something okay there's like the feelings and now it's like i'm like go go or whatever i would never

00:22:56.740 say that it's too rude i would never yell go go but it's like it's more like me smiling like yeah

00:23:02.080 and her being like do you need to use the toilet now me being like thank you okay yeah leaving and

00:23:07.740 then me getting on the toilet and whatever a release i guess okay but anyway did it she's like

00:23:13.800 you know come back no what was devastating is i go i'm here because i'm bloated the the guy at

00:23:18.480 the phone store said i thought i was pregnant whatever i just she's like i could see you know

00:23:22.980 it's just the brutality of the um practitioner or the esthetician or whatever acknowledging the

00:23:29.420 problem that you're there to solve like oh it's so scary i got i had a facial and i was like oh

00:23:34.860 my god my skin right it's been over a year since the facial it's really and she's like yeah you're 0.99

00:23:40.780 really congested or something else a bitch yeah how do you feel about well you're here now that's 0.99

00:23:45.760 a big dentist like i've been in a lot well you're here now that's the important thing my dentist i 0.98

00:23:49.940 just want to quickly brag was like i can tell you've really been flossing wow and i just want

00:23:55.700 to say that i know oh no this is actually a quick just to pivot to my dentist because i talked about

00:24:01.260 him on poog and when i went i went into the office the receptionist goes hi kate she goes we've been

00:24:06.260 seeing a lot of your friends literally hi k i'm a celebrity at the dentist's office lucio kim here

00:24:11.740 in glendale they meant poog listeners yes the poog listeners and this dentist lucio such a class act

00:24:17.600 if you refer yeah someone to him he sends you a five dollar starbucks gift card honey they're

00:24:23.040 stacking up and i get and at first i got i would get i would get them in the mail oh thanks for

00:24:27.600 referring you know and it'd be the name of a friend who i remember referencing but now i'm

00:24:30.980 getting you know thanks for referencing sean and i'm like sean i'm serious yeah yeah so so

00:24:36.440 misto's on me yeah yeah i know i cannot believe well i'm shocked whenever you mention by name

00:24:43.440 because i'm like you know other people seeking appointments you know that's the competition

00:24:48.960 right they're gonna get your time slots so it's very bold the way you share your practitioner

00:24:52.320 names oh wow yeah but a dentist you know every six months although i don't want to i want to go

00:24:57.000 three times a year to get the full cleaning yeah well sorry we went off we went off we have way

00:25:02.220 more to go about cloning all right so so what has my tell me everything okay so i'm now by the way

00:25:07.960 of course as you can knowing me my first thought can we go together right immediately i know that

00:25:12.420 we can't be side by side on the table although i would but i just want to i just i'm just gonna

00:25:16.500 ask you straight do you want to get one do you have interest of course do you want to get back

00:25:20.600 on the table okay i want to get i heard about somebody i was i was somebody recommended somebody

00:25:25.660 said she's really mean which perfect that's what i want they were like she's really good but she's

00:25:31.860 really she's mean and like kind of angry that's a dream that's the dream that's what you want

00:25:36.560 i kind of feel like i really want someone to like lovingly like scrape you out that's no lovingly

00:25:42.360 yeah enter put the hose i wouldn't want like soft gentle eyes looking at me like really yeah i don't

00:25:49.400 want like someone biting my hair like no it makes you brave maybe i need someone a little brusque

00:25:54.060 yeah who's gonna like make me brave who's gonna be like sit down recently who's yeah someone made

00:25:58.740 me brave oh i know what it was who no it was just you talked about someone saying like you know you

00:26:03.880 need to be direct with your language and that like that like booting you that's cool oh my god

00:26:07.940 my brilliant therapist was it was like it was like i don't know what you're saying you'd be

00:26:11.380 more specific with your language we have to have agreed upon meaning here because a word that you

00:26:14.440 say could mean something completely different like it was i was like oh you know it's deep

00:26:17.860 post-modern therapy right just like language like it's language no right and she is trying to bring

00:26:23.640 you back to modern language i guess right also it is a brilliant thing of like so much gets lost in

00:26:28.960 conversation because we don't have agreed upon meaning truly like this idea that like we're all

00:26:32.940 running around with like words meaning the same thing it's like ridiculous yeah shared meaning

00:26:37.460 since when since when good luck sweetheart it's like good luck having a conversation in your 0.99

00:26:41.680 goddamn life let alone let alone an emotional conversation or trying to express yourself or 0.98

00:26:46.520 receive someone else's emotional reality it's work kids it's work okay so back to colonics 0.98

00:26:52.260 i'm now desperate for it want it now and so my friend the thing that really got me excited is

00:26:57.000 that my friend went and said that then for like months afterwards she was excuse my french

00:27:01.320 shitting like a rock star um i remember that language just like you know i think you shared

00:27:07.520 that with me and i was like oh and you know what i by the way you're gonna love this yeah maybe 0.98

00:27:13.700 you know i've been talking about since the 80s you know my constipation yeah maybe i'm not

00:27:18.900 constipated maybe what i'm striving for is like mariah carey level i don't know like like maybe

00:27:25.180 i'm actually maybe i'm fine you know you just mean rock star you just you're trying to say like i

00:27:29.400 don't know why i carry level shits yeah yeah i don't know just continuing the sort of i just 0.97

00:27:34.800 you realize maybe you had a false expectation i want to excel at shitting yeah because i've heard 0.98

00:27:41.440 you know people go oh well here's what you want you want two three times a day yeah twice a day 0.97

00:27:47.000 to have soft serve right you want like the snake you want the like smooth

00:27:53.620 like twice a day right and i'm like well who's doing that so are you telling me you're having 0.98

00:28:00.140 a soft serve snake sorry when things are right yeah and i hate talking about shit but yeah i 0.93

00:28:07.000 me too and i feel immediately embarrassed i'm like oh my god like there are hot people listening 0.88

00:28:11.920 but like i i don't know well the question is what's more attractive ultimately right because

00:28:19.280 it's like the more monstrous okay the more more you know the the soft serve okay the whatever

00:28:26.180 winding whatever it is right the more monstrous in theory like would be a grocer okay but honestly 1.00

00:28:32.040 if you had to walk into a lover's toilet okay and their shit didn't go down right would you 0.99

00:28:38.340 rather see like a smooth pellets thing or would you see would you rather see like a bunch of 0.99

00:28:42.640 pellet rocks like smashed together like in the horrible suitcase of of various you know what

00:28:51.160 i mean you know what i'm talking about have you ever that's so horrifying i remember once

00:28:54.440 accidentally seeing a lover's bowl and it was like actually i was fine to be honest i was fine

00:29:02.780 yeah i felt fine to be honest why am i trying to i'm trying to like and i was never the same

00:29:07.920 and i was like it actually did nothing like the dials didn't move yeah because i'm an adult

00:29:12.260 okay no but i have i mean oh my god i find shit less offensive than gas and not just because 0.85

00:29:19.580 you know one one is sent into the toilet and one into the air yeah no i haven't it's not just i 0.95

00:29:25.720 happen to believe that gas should be sent into the toilet and that's the only appropriate place

00:29:29.280 for its release i can't believe you should it should be shot into the bowl directly into the

00:29:34.880 center land it's it's air so it's not gonna i mean if molecules must be denser than regular air 0.99

00:29:40.460 so in theory it should sink toilet word i really i hate talking about shit but they just laugh you 0.66

00:29:45.340 so much but it's healing it's healing to do it it's healing to do it i think well but i've um 0.96

00:29:49.800 i've in a situation and like a lover proximity to a lover situation held it for days gas three

00:29:55.920 day is just my is my the gas uh no sweetheart the full enchilada no well i know i've said this

00:30:05.500 before to you probably a thousand times because it's the most suffering um image but the disturbing

00:30:11.480 concept that your body has to hydrate fecal matter okay so it doesn't turn into a rock in your belly 0.79

00:30:17.240 so basically like shit is like dehydrating you because it's like your body keeps flooding like 1.00

00:30:21.840 flooding water and to keep it soft so like you're watering your shit no it's disgusting though 0.99

00:30:27.260 because it's like it's like you're carrying it's like either get it out or care for it for the 0.96

00:30:31.140 rest of your life internally not the rest of your life for a week okay part of your hydration is

00:30:37.340 going to keep that thing soft what yeah and so you're hydrating a better term yeah oh god i just

00:30:44.460 can't believe we're embodied and that we it's just it's so shocking when you think about i mean blood 0.98

00:30:50.460 blood alone right yeah and then the the organs the intent all of it and then on top of it shit 0.87

00:30:55.140 i mean it's just i need a colonic i'm going in june whether you like it or not let's go in june 0.83

00:30:59.220 i just now i have my dream for the colonic again it just doesn't exist but it would be

00:31:04.960 us lying in two chambers but there's a small i could do it drunk although i think i can see

00:31:11.260 i think that's like a depressant to the system no you don't want that alcohol is poison so you

00:31:17.740 don't want that if anything you want caffeinated peristalses do you see what i'm saying caffeinated

00:31:22.720 well like you know caffeine gets the peristalses going oh don't i know it doll yeah wait wait what

00:31:30.280 were you just saying wait oh my dream for the colotic is you and me in separate chambers but

00:31:34.920 there's a small window a small door near just our faces again you can open that door and so we can

00:31:41.480 each of those faces we're obscured i want that so bad a little door with a window yeah so just

00:31:48.340 so i could just see i just want your eyes like your sweet little face yes poking through and 0.81

00:31:52.780 then but what's the audio though shit interesting question i i think i think headphones so that we 0.69

00:31:58.120 can just be someone like this we record a podcast essentially the audio is is is in the headphones

00:32:04.140 also then i don't have to hear the sound of whatever the tube is making and all of that

00:32:08.320 it was absolutely silent i as i recall it was absolutely silent um the imagery of the colonic

00:32:14.540 for me as in is it um oh my god what's the movie with steve martin and um sarah jessica parker she

00:32:20.500 has she talks about getting a colonic and she's like her tiny little body and she's like oh it's 0.77

00:32:25.060 wonderful and she like sticks her arms in the air and she's like this little well her like 0.68

00:32:28.380 live ballet body yeah because she was um you know famous for sort of keeping toned via ballet 0.83

00:32:35.480 based workouts really is that her secret always always that was always the thing like it was always 1.00

00:32:40.440 sjp with her she has one of those bodies from like she didn't even have to work for it it just 0.99

00:32:44.720 feels like you know what i mean it just feels like that just is her she just is tendon yeah 0.97

00:32:48.300 yeah she's very tendon she already just is that she is like i am as you know we're watching sex

00:32:53.880 in the city and um i truly we're moving on i just was gonna say there's this one episode where she's 0.99

00:33:01.060 wearing this dress and her ass is like so incredible that it sent me into a depression 1.00

00:33:05.540 permanently never to return yeah like it was uh she's wearing this like dark gray dress 1.00

00:33:10.040 she's leaving i'll tell you right now episode shortcoming season two she's leaving the famous

00:33:14.720 thing of justin theroux plays two different characters on the same show he plays one

00:33:19.000 character in season one and then return season two to play a different character so shocking

00:33:22.680 they needed him that bad we got we got it's justin it's justin i mean it's unimaginable

00:33:28.100 it's unimaginable bring him in to play a different character i mean is that not shocking maybe someone

00:33:34.420 fell out and he had to be i love that i love that maybe they're like justin they're like see that's

00:33:40.200 like when i would be like i mean what is this this is no different than if we were a theater

00:33:43.340 troupe of actors in the 1300s you know like we play all the characters i'd go there sorry i got

00:33:48.920 distracted because i was thinking like if that was like i was imagining sex and city but all the

00:33:53.000 characters just play each other like that's useless it's a useless you know idea um i don't find it

00:33:57.820 useless at all thank you i appreciate that going on the development slate whatever she's wearing 1.00

00:34:01.800 this dress she it's the final um scene of the episode and her ass is insane and it like really 1.00

00:34:08.040 captivated me yeah interesting you're you really are consumed it continues to come up with you i 1.00

00:34:14.380 hear it in my head all the time you going in my head you going i want a new ass by thursday or 1.00

00:34:18.740 whatever you're always like a new ass it's like your cali accent or something yeah oh wait what 1.00

00:34:26.220 was I gonna say about colonics oh fuck I don't know I lost it there was something about you in 1.00

00:34:30.380 California I don't know whatever doesn't matter what do you think are you impressed that I got 0.99

00:34:35.340 a group on one because I am is impressed the word I would use yeah I was walking down the street 0.99

00:34:41.200 I was walking down the street and I saw this place I walked by and it was like colonics yeah it was 0.93

00:34:47.260 just like colonics like a get him run yeah and Chris and I and I'm like oh my god look like right 0.54

00:34:53.800 in the neighborhood you know like that kind of thing yeah why though like why do i inherently

00:34:59.140 fear the strip mall colonic shop right why why do i believe i know that it's inherently dirty or bad

00:35:08.380 i remember hearing once that the colonic you want is the gravity one that a lot of times it's kind 0.98

00:35:12.820 of like fancy places it's like the shit's like running horizontal and that you actually want it

00:35:17.300 to be the mark of like a truly good colonic or serious colonicist or whatever the hell you call 0.89

00:35:23.100 them is it's like gravitational so it's up it's like the bag is up no you're laying down still

00:35:29.220 but the water is going is pouring downwards the water pouring out of you is pouring downwards

00:35:34.020 again i have almost no information as usual i just know i was watching i just know look for

00:35:38.980 verticality okay okay speaking of verticality and the bowl yes somebody has to pee pee

00:35:44.080 all right i think we can go to a break we can go to a break on this

00:35:48.340 and we'll kick us into act three pretty soon uh okay great enjoy the ads friends

00:35:52.820 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:36:00.260 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:36:05.460 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:36:09.480 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:36:10.820 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:36:14.420 So no, I am not your guru.

00:36:18.220 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:36:20.840 I lied to police.

00:36:21.780 I lied to everybody.

00:36:23.100 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:36:26.080 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:36:28.760 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:36:31.580 whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

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00:36:37.840 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:36:39.260 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

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00:37:18.140 this isn't who i am glyphosate glyphosate okay i find my way i'll just you know kate has been

00:37:25.160 talking about it for years okay that she won't eat what what was the food you wouldn't eat a

00:37:29.140 piece of broccoli i think oh well glyphosate is very present in a lot of conventional oats

00:37:34.700 i don't care your organic oats go to hell the glyphosate in them is through the roof and what

00:37:39.140 is glyphosate and so glyphosate is uh okay so so roundup it's like the chemical used in roundup

00:37:47.700 and roundups the i believe roundup is the whatever exactly exactly which is like a proven carcinogen

00:37:53.580 and a super toxic and an absolute nightmare and so yeah you can test glyphosate levels

00:37:59.080 and there's like a legal amount of glyphosate but really you don't want any of it and it's

00:38:03.100 going through the roof kids and organic can't save you organic can yeah organic can save you

00:38:10.260 and this week the glyphosate really hit me um because i watched this video um about how big

00:38:19.820 extinction event is coming because of it and but don't worry humanity will pick up again and adapt 0.92

00:38:25.600 and stop uh with this bad farming practices but it's like yeah we're we're all kind of fucked but 0.60

00:38:31.200 also it's this whole thing i when i do this when i don't get into it fully it's it's even more 0.66

00:38:35.380 boring than getting into it fully so i'm not gonna get in the phone pulling out i want to

00:38:38.080 talk about near the experiences on the table yeah and i want to tell you the phone the phone store

00:38:43.720 thing the guy who said i was going to the phone store now okay you ready so so think about it

00:38:49.240 going to the phone store i'm wearing a classic pregnant tip off the empire waist style dress

00:38:55.980 sleeveless summer denim right so it's kind of you know bando top yeah yeah and it's flowing free

00:39:02.760 down below and um and i go into this store to return the energy healer boss i was working for

00:39:09.120 at the time that you've worked for as well anita to return her phone and the guy the guy um i was

00:39:14.880 like oh sorry yeah i don't have that number and he did something really gross and misogynist first

00:39:18.640 of all and he goes he goes um oh well you can blame it on being pregnant like basically like

00:39:23.980 blame your fuzzy mind oh my god you can blame it on being pregnant which is its own insult first

00:39:30.120 of all he's like and then and i just like i'm not pregnant okay and then oh no no are you ready

00:39:36.620 for what he said so i'm not just say i'm gonna let's play out the scene for fun okay okay well

00:39:40.640 blame it i'm being pregnant i guess i'm not pregnant that's not a bad thing oh he was he

00:39:46.560 was he was spiraling yeah he was spiraling is not not deranged he was spiraling he didn't almost

00:39:51.540 like pregnant women are beautiful or like or like to carry a baby is an honor no that makes no sense

00:39:57.060 he didn't know what to do he didn't know what to do it's just i'd never understand if like why

00:40:02.180 anyone comments on anyone's body ever i never comment on the body cover but why why who reacts

00:40:09.760 out loud or allowed it's out loud to me you know what i mean sort of like buck naked or no butt 0.94

00:40:16.780 naked as a kid like i'm like it's butt naked yeah yeah yeah and then you're like find out it's buck

00:40:23.520 Naked, which is a meaningless term, like in modern society. 0.87

00:40:27.080 And yet we're forced to use it.

00:40:30.160 So anyway, that was something.

00:40:32.080 Are you familiar with near-death experiences?

00:40:35.260 Two things.

00:40:36.080 Oh, I actually don't even want to tell you.

00:40:37.940 Well, I don't want to tell you.

00:40:39.640 I just realized something that'll terrify you.

00:40:42.240 I'm sure you've heard of it.

00:40:43.200 And it'll make you never want to get surgery.

00:40:45.040 And I'm so I'm actually wondering if I shouldn't tell you.

00:40:47.620 I mean, I'm going to just go go.

00:40:49.380 We know it's coming.

00:40:50.180 You probably already know about this.

00:40:51.120 Are you familiar with the thing?

00:40:52.220 this horrifying thing i ever saw oh no okay so there's a thing you've probably heard of it where

00:40:57.640 they put you out for a surgery and you appear to be out but you're not oh stop okay let's i'll stop

00:41:03.060 you right there to say i'll never forget this i had once heard an adult this is actually i'm glad

00:41:07.420 this is in memory coming up i'm at a dinner party i'm at some party i'm young like you know 10 and

00:41:13.480 i'm listening to this woman talk recount her recent knee surgery they put her out she came to

00:41:18.800 felt nothing but could feel her entire body quaking as they with a you know with a hammer 0.97

00:41:24.940 basically go to her knee and she was just aware that the surgery was happening and she was

00:41:30.140 completely conscious painless painless thank god but painless but unable to speak and felt her

00:41:35.880 whole body ricocheting under the force of the hammer it's never the same and as somebody who

00:41:41.540 has had sleep paralysis right it's like i've known what it feels like i have been in a state

00:41:46.600 where i'm completely unable to move but i'm aware that i'm you know there in my body but can't you

00:41:51.640 know trying to scream scream scream can't trying to move can't so i've been there okay it's hell

00:41:57.840 well it's truly hell to go even worse i'm pretty sure that the particular syndrome i'm talking about

00:42:03.920 you feel the pain oh jesus jack so you're fully experiencing it you merely can't move scream or

00:42:10.480 alert them that that you're there so you're trapped in your body screaming to the heavens

00:42:15.820 now the good news is this is how i and i watched a movie about this i'll have to find it figure out

00:42:21.720 what it was but the good news is and this is what i take comfort in this is part of the reason i

00:42:26.480 like to try to ask or project at night okay what i want to learn how to leave my body so that in

00:42:31.860 such a situation i want to pop out immediately okay so the body is i'm experiencing you know

00:42:37.100 massive trauma via surgery i want to leap immediately where are you rolling down the

00:42:42.380 hallway listening in on the conversation yeah i mean this this is this is almost like it couldn't

00:42:47.960 be more well documented what's the good news what you're like the good news is what you can

00:42:52.480 astral project out is that i think that in that level of pain i think you'll slip out of your

00:42:57.320 body yeah yeah totally or or like pass out essentially pass out inside of the prison of

00:43:03.100 the passed out form but i'm like can't like watch the brain waves people actually i can't remember

00:43:08.340 if the brain waves are visibly firing yeah like like no one's looking at it like in the movie

00:43:13.040 like the monitor is behind and the brain waves are going crazy as they're screaming internally

00:43:18.600 is that not the most hideous thing you've ever imagined is that botched anesthesia

00:43:24.360 what is it botched always makes me laugh i know botched is a great one i'm not sure i mean it's

00:43:30.800 it must be because you know aren't they sort of depressing different elements of the nervous 0.80

00:43:35.680 system also what the fuck is anesthesia no clue like what is that have you ever gotten i got it 0.65

00:43:41.820 once for my wisdom teeth and i just remember getting into the chair i started laughing 0.91

00:43:45.820 manically really nervous because i was going under and i was like couldn't stop laughing and

00:43:50.500 they're like oh okay you know count down 10 9 out you know like isn't it an indignity that

00:43:58.040 our bodies are capable that our consciousness is capable of just being turned off like that

00:44:02.800 i know just i know it's humiliating flip a switch and you're gone yeah i mean i think it's weird

00:44:08.520 that sleep even does that like i like really embarrassing that the body over the course of

00:44:14.780 the day literally cannot maintain like that's crazy that we can't survive without sleep like

00:44:22.420 i know like our body like like we'll fall to the ground i remember one time like collapse i was on

00:44:27.340 this school trip and i'd stayed up all night and it's like i had to like hide the fact that i had

00:44:31.080 been up all night and i was so tired that we were walking along and my knees were buckling in the

00:44:35.420 street okay literally and then we were in a warm museum with the other classmates i was between

00:44:40.160 two friends like my knees kept buckling and going down that's cute and like the body can't you know

00:44:46.500 what i mean like no sleep is is is it is very sci-fi it's like sleep is and don't get me started

00:44:53.120 on the fact that we dream during it i mean it's just absolutely insane no one knows what the hell

00:44:56.420 is going on i remember watching this video at a science museum about like i was eight and it was

00:45:00.420 like it was like the brain's the final frontier and all that kind of stuff and it really just

00:45:03.720 i love language about i love when things are called the final frontier

00:45:08.160 that excites you it excites me like it's like or like the last taboo is another one that excites

00:45:14.400 me like someone being like like gut health is the last taboo yeah well gut health by the way

00:45:20.540 if we don't get serious about it now i'm joking obviously get health is i know if we don't get

00:45:25.680 serious about gut health now we're not we won't get serious about it we have to kate and is it

00:45:29.880 people don't care i care and i'm scared hence the colonic probiotics oh no i get so overwhelmed

00:45:37.180 buying them i i i took you know i i was on the seed wave you know when seed came out 18 000 years

00:45:44.320 ago no i i was there what's that it's like this expensive probiotic brand oh seed and i was you

00:45:52.560 know did it and then of course there were like no changes or like a noticeable difference so i

00:45:57.120 stopped even though that's not the goal like noticeable difference isn't necessarily the

00:46:01.320 goal i guess but i i stopped and probiotics are one of those things that haunt me daily

00:46:05.060 well probiotics prebiotics i saw some prebiotics you know the whole question of okay now we got

00:46:10.180 to load with pre the ways you can go wrong the ways you can go wrong apparently an unripe banana

00:46:15.560 loaded with it with what pre or with pre with pre okay with pre and then super ripe is pro

00:46:22.040 okay so we follow up followed by yeah one after the next i mean there's other ways to get

00:46:27.900 prebiotics which i think isn't prebiotic just like fiber or something i don't it's a mess

00:46:32.200 and but here's the reason that i'm motivated because i see the digestive system i know like

00:46:38.340 we're like keeping things running i'm like in my mind we can come back from that but the

00:46:42.240 devastation about why we have to heal the gut microbiome as far as i can tell is has to do

00:46:47.380 like leaky gut leaky gut syndrome leaky gut syndrome is like minor perforations in the 0.98

00:46:54.060 digestive tract and it leaks the talk like leaks your shit into your blood and and then is that 1.00

00:46:59.520 what it is me speaking with authority i don't think it's that you leak your shit in your butt 1.00

00:47:04.540 isn't it that nutrients don't that's a different thing that's not leaky gut that's the lining of 1.00

00:47:10.080 the intestine is covered with crayons from kindergarten okay and so it's like there's

00:47:15.160 nothing it can't digest it but leaky gut is literally and this is the thing that this week

00:47:19.740 with the glyphosate okay oh christ glyphosate is that these micro spaces in these structures the

00:47:26.520 blood brain jeez louise that wasn't even a fake one the second one you know

00:47:33.480 okay because you know it's a pet peeve of mine the whole like someone misspeaks

00:47:38.520 i'm like i really prefer to just hear the little flip and the word i don't need this

00:47:44.380 performing i'm a fool you know i can't talk yeah it's the worst i mean god bless people are so

00:47:52.120 fragile wait what are we talking about oh so blood brain barrier uh gut leaky gut and then like some 0.98

00:47:58.400 other ones they're all everything's leaking okay and the chemical is coursing through us and what

00:48:04.160 this guy said and we'll find that i'll find the source text is that our cells are forgetting their

00:48:11.000 self-identity oh christ like it's actually rewiring that's where autoimmune comes in it's

00:48:16.960 it's oh this isn't my body this isn't not my body it's so scary god that's so that's so scary but

00:48:24.380 but what is the key what is the thing what what is it i mean also die joyously right like soak

00:48:29.880 me in chemicals and take me out who cares right i mean no wait that's not true i forgot about other

00:48:34.640 people i forgot about other people i was testing out the concept okay of who cares i'm like oh 0.99

00:48:40.560 right right right but these like globally fuck everyone not everyone wants to just die with a 0.98

00:48:44.600 martini in their hand it's not an option for all yeah yeah this is when i get when i spiral into 0.99

00:48:52.760 you know water water water you know it's like anything it's bad in the water no just the talk

00:48:56.880 no no just the toxins like oh it's like the poisons in the water the poisons in the air

00:49:00.660 the poisons in the rain the porters the poisons i like this song the poisons in the air the

00:49:06.920 poison's in the rain the poison's in the food and the poison's in the rain the poison's in the rain

00:49:12.560 okay and then like if we can't do anything about it we'll all die martini in hand yeah 0.99

00:49:19.380 and then like a personal narrative yeah yeah so do the goddamn shuffle because it's over 0.94

00:49:25.380 soon anyway yeah that's why it's like i'm not a survivalist like right like yes i want to 0.54

00:49:32.580 optimize but not so much that i like waste like i don't want to waste my time optimizing them

00:49:36.820 to get to die by coconut to the head right it's like like that's the ultimate kind of right horror

00:49:43.360 would be like overemphasis on health and food purity and then you get you're taken out by a

00:49:47.740 bus right so an apple cart um yeah it's kind of like don't go too crazy because you're almost

00:49:52.400 begging the universe to take you out the old-fashioned way you're tempting the gods with

00:49:56.680 your hubris okay your probiotic hubris yeah you're just asking to have an anvil fall but then you 0.61

00:50:03.920 that becomes its own crazy superstition right where it's almost like when someone's like says 0.98

00:50:08.600 they won't quit smoking or whatever because they could get and by the way this is another pet peeve

00:50:12.460 of mine it's always hit by a bus tomorrow every time right right right okay you get hit by a bus

00:50:17.880 tomorrow okay i'm gonna keep smoking it's always hit by a bus tomorrow and it's like first of all

00:50:21.240 like they're acting like they're facing the reality of the fact they could die at any time

00:50:25.100 but they still put it off to tomorrow do you see it's too harsh they can't say i could be hit by a

00:50:29.440 bus or they don't say i could have an aneurysm right now right right now it's always i could

00:50:33.180 have an aneurysm tomorrow you know right right yeah the bus is like really big for people and

00:50:39.660 then it's almost like they're rooting for their own death by bus because that would legitimize

00:50:44.180 the cigarette smoking it's like they're hoping to die not of the cigarettes to make the point

00:50:48.700 that it was a great choice all along so i was getting lost thinking about in aneurysms

00:50:56.120 aneurysms as you know always top of the list for me top of the list also an adult who let me know

00:51:04.180 i remember being at my friend's house and her parent being like oh so and so had an aneurysm

00:51:09.440 out of nowhere just died right there at the kitchen table or whatever and i was like

00:51:12.980 okay well i'll never recover from this so thank you the fear though i'm like that to me is like

00:51:18.620 kind of like being hit on the head with a coconut well actually no because i actually feel like you

00:51:22.340 can avoid the coconut a little better if you keep your wits about you or wear a strong spf visor

00:51:26.580 okay see what i'm saying no you can protect coconut to the head though to me is kind of romantic

00:51:32.020 because in it i'm imagining you know oh you're you're having a beautiful afternoon on the beach

00:51:38.200 coconut hits you it's over how do you feel about afternoon the sensation of afternoon afternoon

00:51:43.740 afternoon once again be obviously deeply depressing and terrifying thank you the liminal

00:51:50.000 space between sleeps you know like not yet asleep you're fully awake the afternoon of the day right

00:51:57.320 the hypnagogic the hypnagogic state of the day oh you know that's that place where he wrote kubla

00:52:02.960 khan whoever wrote kubla khan i always forget coleridge coleridge coleridge coleridge in every

00:52:09.620 i have no clue but in every book i read on creative practices kubla khan's reference they love to talk

00:52:14.760 about him writing kubla khan in the dream state oh wait you'll love this this is another one i read

00:52:20.300 some of these guys around this time so they would try to get into the hypnagogic godget whatever

00:52:25.400 yeah um hypnojojish state and um to write and to have visions and whatever and so they what some

00:52:31.980 of what they would do is they would like relax they put they balance a spoon on their hand okay

00:52:36.440 and beneath the spoon was a pot on the ground or something and they dropped the spoon because

00:52:41.340 they're actually truly falling asleep the clatter would wake them up so they keep themselves from

00:52:45.580 falling into a true sleep why the pot underneath so it clangs yeah but wouldn't it just hit the

00:52:51.840 floor make the same sound not enough it's an extra loud clang yeah surely a wooden floor

00:52:56.300 clang clang clang goes the trolley to stay in the hypnagogic isn't that very attractive to me

00:53:07.120 it to me it is to linger there i mean it sounds like a nightmare but does not be able to slip

00:53:12.060 into sleep yeah but that's here's here's what happens clang clang clang goes to trolley now

00:53:17.320 you write it goes to trolley now you then you jot down kubla khan or whatever okay you jot down

00:53:24.260 your epic poem that's very real that's the whole point that's real because then you can sleep

00:53:28.180 then you can listen because don't you have that experience there is that thing right before you

00:53:32.500 fall asleep where you start having crazy ideas sentences start forming that make no sense or

00:53:36.540 you start having i mean that is incredible that is so real i think that's the hypnagogic oh it's

00:53:41.780 the real sweet spot because that's when narrative like collapses and you're able to just like

00:53:45.980 words just start forming and ideas like i've had i get like into these kind of emphatic monologues

00:53:52.460 right in that space really but i'm talking about like what i'm talking about makes no sense

00:53:56.520 much like poog yeah but um how dare i how dare i how dare i what's that how dare you sweetheart

00:54:04.220 you're doing good podcast how is that i thought i heard a little bit of your irish when you do

00:54:08.780 you know i can't do it if it's requested i mean there's nothing worse of course not i would never

00:54:15.280 i would never yeah we're gonna have to wrap in a second sorry we're gonna have to wrap it up

00:54:19.040 wait but there was something in closing what it was kate just talking about falling asleep

00:54:22.980 doing the yeah yeah oh yeah the hypnagogia yeah yeah yeah i want to explore that further and i

00:54:28.520 want to maybe one day we'll do we'll do the clanger on poog like we'll we'll go there yeah

00:54:32.940 whisper the visions like we'll basically try to go to sleep on poog i think the listeners

00:54:37.320 really enjoy that oh that's attempting a nap on poog could be revolutionary all right that's all

00:54:42.660 i got revolutionary jesus try a new word i need six new words now i need them yesterday i need

00:54:49.180 like new words to enter i'll send you some because we are suffering under yeah our own

00:54:55.280 our coats have become i haven't read for i can't read last couple days can't do it won't do it

00:55:01.040 Okay.

00:55:01.600 Honestly, I thought this was a joy. 0.99

00:55:03.280 I want everyone to know, first of all, I don't think shit is funny. 0.99

00:55:05.960 Okay? 0.99

00:55:06.260 I don't like bathroom humor, as it's sometimes called.

00:55:08.380 No, we think it's very serious, and we're very...

00:55:10.520 Dead serious.

00:55:11.240 And I'm going to...

00:55:12.060 Listen to me.

00:55:12.860 Kalanik and June.

00:55:14.260 What's happening?

00:55:15.040 Sure.

00:55:15.520 I'll go today.

00:55:16.900 Don't even tempt me, sweetie.

00:55:19.260 Because I know a place.

00:55:20.160 Why do I push to June?

00:55:21.600 All right.

00:55:21.860 We got to wrap up.

00:55:22.620 I don't know why you push to June.

00:55:23.940 I'm scared still, I guess.

00:55:25.180 Okay.

00:55:25.380 Yeah, I'll bring you.

00:55:26.120 I'll deliver you.

00:55:27.220 Okay, great.

00:55:27.860 All right.

00:55:28.120 I love you.

00:55:28.900 Love you.

00:55:29.440 Bye.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - May 11, 2021

All About Gut Health

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