Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Astral Abjection

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00:01:05.100 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

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00:01:24.900 hello hello hello now this may get caught okay but i want to say that we tried to start recording

00:01:33.000 today and kate and i were both too captivated by our own individual reflections that we were

00:01:39.660 forced to throw out a good 15 minutes okay yeah um now we have turned off self-view

00:01:45.600 which is honestly an experiment i mean this is you talk about gonzo journalism

00:01:51.780 no i feel immediately free it's funny i feel uh unhinged i actually hate it yeah i hate it i feel

00:01:59.420 i have no body yeah i'm i'm floating through space much like the radio waves themselves

00:02:05.160 reaching the listener i could have had how much coffee do you drink in a day six shots of espresso 0.89

00:02:13.000 unbelievable yeah i'm on my third pairing right now god damn that's so because i have like 0.87

00:02:19.940 i drink coffee every day but i probably only really have like a cup to a cup and a half 0.56

00:02:25.140 you are very uh i don't want to throw out ayurvedic terms okay but you know without

00:02:31.840 knowledge but you know you're probably very vata okay well okay i shockingly am have some i'm

00:02:38.280 kapha i'm kapha pitta blend said an intuitive said an intuitive okay so i although you do seem

00:02:48.000 pitta fire okay okay i'm pitta yeah we need to tell the people if they don't already know we

00:02:52.680 need to misinform them with our vague ideas of ayurveda i'm looking over into the corner of

00:02:57.460 the room right now because i know i panicked about two books on ayurveda yeah either it was

00:03:02.360 march it was april or it was two years ago i couldn't tell you but i i was like this is my

00:03:05.960 life now you know and i got very excited by it and then of course absorbed no information and now

00:03:10.260 couldn't tell you a goddamn thing three doshas are kapha pitta and vata and i don't know i always

00:03:15.460 think of vata as and i could be totally wrong about this but i think of pitta is fire vata as 0.97

00:03:20.340 wind i don't know why and then kapha as ground earth this could be totally wrong you know blah

00:03:26.060 blah blah blah we need not google and we you know embrace spreading misinformation here it's the 0.96

00:03:32.260 only way that is the frame yeah yeah look it up your damn self i gave you dosha isn't that enough 0.87

00:03:37.140 i gave you i just remember reading about my dosha and this is one of the most horrifying things that 0.97

00:03:42.100 we've learned we all of us was when you learn that salad isn't just inherently good for you

00:03:47.460 right because we all think oh salad salad salad salad and then when i heard that from my digestive

00:03:51.800 system raw greens might actually be difficult to digest and they could be bloating me that was a

00:03:56.700 day i dropped to my knees and prayed because i couldn't believe it and i felt completely deceived

00:04:00.800 by every by the 1990s as well as all of culture culture and so every movie every tv show had lied

00:04:09.140 to me all my friends my family no one could no longer be trusted and by the way i'm dizzy suddenly

00:04:14.100 but i i think i'm hungry oh oh i know why because i just drank this last cup of coffee anyway i had

00:04:19.300 more coffee today than usual and yet i feel tired why sore right and i'm sore i need to go in the

00:04:24.020 sauna i'm spinning okay so yeah say the word sore i have no idea why i said sore i didn't mean sore

00:04:29.100 but why do you say it what did you say that led me to say sore that i'm soaring on coffee earlier

00:04:33.620 oh that's what it was and i said right now i was saying perhaps you're soaring i'm soaring on my

00:04:38.260 dosha but i need to know what it is but i do think that salad i love salad and i always thought salad

00:04:44.720 was that but ayurveda gets into whether you need more fire whether you need if you are vata or

00:04:51.120 something right i think it's like i forget which one it is but i run hot okay uh i don't know why

00:04:57.820 i run hot and i run one no but the thing with the dosha is like is like okay you're if you're

00:05:01.960 naturally water then you might need some more fire that kind of thing right or you're you're

00:05:05.560 think it's that i think i could be wrong i'm gonna stop saying i could be wrong that's what we do

00:05:10.840 here if i were alone with you of course if i were alone with you not worrying about audience i just

00:05:16.460 throw this stuff at you with utter speed no kate don't you understand don't you understand here's

00:05:20.260 how it is and it would be sermon okay now thus the point being salad might not be right for you

00:05:27.420 if you need heat okay you need some people it's like no you need warmth okay my mother always

00:05:33.620 told me i begged for soup as a child quite now were you kind of doing an oliver no no actually

00:05:38.800 now that you say that i'm sure it was an oliver influence i never thought of it that but my mom

00:05:43.140 kind of tragically or she kind of says like in a sad way she's like god when you were little you

00:05:47.740 would always ask for soup and i never made you soup and you would always go i'd say what do you

00:05:51.180 want for dinner kitty i went by kitty my whole childhood and i would say can i have soup and

00:05:55.180 my mom would be like you were kidding yeah but no but i think i do need soup i'm stew i'm stew

00:06:00.860 heavy i should be stew heavy well soup is i i desire soup daily and um don't always achieve

00:06:06.200 it i haven't yet found my favorite soups in los angeles you know what i would do with you yeah

00:06:10.140 because you know i famously the juice cleanse i don't believe in for a million reasons soup

00:06:15.920 cleanse maybe soup cleanse maybe and i there was a place that i drove by 14 years ago and it stayed

00:06:21.780 with me i think about it every day but it was just a little kiosk that had a soup cleanse

00:06:25.760 it's like eight hundred dollars for 45 minutes of soup and i um thank you because that's how i

00:06:31.980 measure food because i in the time that you get to enjoy it you know is this is this i've never

00:06:38.100 taken is this snack a sitcom or is it an hour-long drama well i wish i could eat for an hour but

00:06:44.380 which will fill me i've never eaten i would say any meal for me never lasts longer than eight

00:06:49.160 minutes right like even jackhammer very quickly see i do too but i i managed to keep it going

00:06:57.320 actually it's interesting i've been on a salad kick recently god i hate when you slip into things

00:07:03.240 like actually it's interesting i've been on a salad kick recently like so my soul left my body

00:07:08.960 then okay yeah and something sinister came in you know like or just like the body said that

00:07:15.360 i hate intonation it's not your body it's just um we're so weighed down by cliches that

00:07:21.320 they enter us they're like the blood in our veins under the weight

00:07:25.100 under the weight of bad literature i remember i i say groaning under the weight of a lot because

00:07:30.860 it was featured as a phrase describing food on a table a table groaning under the weight of a feast

00:07:36.440 okay in the lewis uh and clark meriwether lewis i love that first name meriwether can you believe 0.97

00:07:43.480 maryweather lewis okay lewis and clark it was it was a book i think it was called fuck i don't 0.91

00:07:47.840 know undaunted courage maybe that was something else whatever and i've been i i heard it in high 0.88

00:07:52.680 school and i've been using it ever since and i think you know wow that one phrase has served me

00:07:57.420 so well and i heard it in a book you know maybe i should keep reading and get a second phrase that

00:08:02.280 i like i know a single phrase can you can coast on it for years i was gonna say the asking about

00:08:08.240 soup yeah feels to me sorry to say it like a past life memory okay and i do not i don't you

00:08:17.340 dare sneeze at me not you no i love it i was i was definitely before a cauldron or two i definitely

00:08:23.760 was sweating into the cauldron for years at some point yes preparing the soup interesting

00:08:30.440 see i i was as soon as a tiny orphan boy kind of thing um no i know that i was in the basement

00:08:36.720 preparing yeah i was definitely like a wench like head of house at some point like screaming like

00:08:43.580 the mistress needs her soup now or like i i know that i was down in the basement you were um like 0.54

00:08:48.720 performing abortions yeah right and making soup at the same time no i i would love to jump in

00:08:54.420 i would love to jump in and say you know me too but then i fear the ego of what you imagine your

00:09:01.120 past life to be right cannot be understated you know what i'm saying like it's it's it's like

00:09:06.640 you know the joke used to be the cleopatra right i was cleopatra etc oh how many cleopatras do we

00:09:12.560 have whatever well i'd argue that the soul could split we could have 600 cleopatras now

00:09:18.100 okay okay okay um or different people could be accessing okay someone with a big spirit but

00:09:24.960 anyway i'm sort of back on the on the past life kick um because i watched a program the other day

00:09:31.200 and i forget what it was but it rhymed me in one of my my most famous famously favorite cases of a

00:09:36.240 young man who you know at age two and a half started having nightmares and recalling and

00:09:41.220 speaking about the time that his plane went down uh during world war ii is this many lives many

00:09:46.260 masters i still haven't read it um brian l weiss's many lives many masters uh does not contain

00:09:52.720 this particular story as far as i remember but the real guy you gotta go and let's see if i can 0.66

00:09:58.600 remember his name fuck uh he's at the university of virginia and that's the biggest past life 0.65

00:10:03.660 research center they have okay it's at university of virginia what's that and i just yeah no i'm 0.97

00:10:11.980 sorry and this one guy took over the work of the previous guy it's fantastic he goes around he

00:10:17.360 interviews all the children with the past life memories it's very convincing okay the little

00:10:21.540 toddler named the name of the japanese like ship that took him out oh no that's not what it was

00:10:27.060 sorry the little kid named the ship he was on okay and the father was like i doubt it because

00:10:34.360 it was called like natoma or something and they were like that actually sounds like a like a

00:10:38.320 japanese okay that doesn't sound like an american ship and he was wrong when he went and did the

00:10:42.280 research it was the american ship i mean i just there's no accounting for it is it leave it so

00:10:47.520 you really are the person in my life who talks about past lives and i you know had of course

00:10:53.100 historically scoffed at the idea but we have past lives because we have ancestors

00:10:58.240 it's kind of interesting you know like for me it's more like sure i know a lot of people

00:11:03.160 yeah for me i'm like that's what that is that's an expression of how to communicate the fact that

00:11:07.560 we do inherit so much so we have lived past lives that our dna right it's like we do we know about

00:11:12.600 intergenerational trauma whatnot but it's like i don't for me sometimes i'm like i actually don't

00:11:17.160 need to fantasize about how i was you know on a boat which like yeah like reeling and fish it's

00:11:23.300 like i actually had a great grandmother and i'm now buckling under the weight of her issues right

00:11:29.080 and so right we do have uh past lives i think it's just it's a less romantic maybe version to

00:11:36.240 think of it in that way or is it more romantic because those are stories that we can potentially

00:11:39.480 access you mean their diaries and microfiche and whatnot yeah i just mean oh i spend weekends at

00:11:45.960 the microfiche of course click click click click click click i also just i've always envied i never

00:11:51.640 knew my grandparents here it go and so but i right i i'm always amazed at or people who have real

00:11:59.380 interest in their history you know people who are like well my great-grandfather went here and then

00:12:04.000 like that all has just dissolved for me like i don't yes so and it's kind of terrifying modern

00:12:08.960 oh the past is just gone like i don't so and i will be forgotten of course i mean my work will

00:12:14.880 live on of course and you know but um I think it's impossible to reckon with the fact of how

00:12:21.800 deeply forgotten we will be and that's okay no and I want to I want to get into that and however

00:12:28.400 it kind of reminds me of when I'm trying to talk about how ghosts may exist or whatever okay or

00:12:32.900 ghost phenomenon a ghost phenomenon or ghost phenomena okay um are uh real right and someone

00:12:41.460 tries to say like no i agree that my grandfather lives on in memories in my heart and i'm like

00:12:45.940 get out of here okay yeah it's like i'm not speaking metaphorically okay okay i'm talking

00:12:51.940 about little james um you know whatever remembering uh the ship name okay and sobbing and whatever so

00:12:59.740 here's what i want to say but it doesn't mean that i necessarily believe this is the same thing as

00:13:04.160 ghosts okay it doesn't necessarily mean that i believe that there's a linear timeline in which

00:13:08.500 you know the soul is coming out of the body in the past and it's dropping into the body right

00:13:12.920 okay we don't i i feel like we don't know the mechanics of the levels beyond which we can

00:13:17.880 experience and thus to make claims about them is a form of metaphor okay that is a form of metaphor

00:13:23.800 now the experience of thank you now the experience of a ghost i believe that there are people who

00:13:29.120 are you know seeing a ghost so to speak and they are not lying now and what's happening there is

00:13:33.460 an interesting question does it mean that the soul of that person that is reflected in the

00:13:38.080 ghost is there trapped etc etc you know maybe okay maybe yeah i'll say but also who knows what

00:13:45.760 that phenomenon is but to assume they're all lying i think is rude yeah you know i'm saying 0.99

00:13:50.560 yeah and then same with past life there's something going on when he remembers his damn 0.91

00:13:57.160 plane going down and he remembers the right names of the ship and he's two okay it's unexplained

00:14:02.580 there's something going on so that's all and i think that so it's interesting yes and but i i

00:14:09.520 but the ancestor stuff i do find very compelling okay um oh yeah i mean don't you see even just

00:14:15.680 directly i mean you know there's a whole other episode but it's just it's just there's something

00:14:20.360 mutually there's something that once of course terrifying and oppressive but also so liberating

00:14:25.580 and direct about knowing that we just really do inherit like the unlived lives of our parents and

00:14:31.640 their parents like there's something very just like direct about that and obvious and yes we

00:14:35.340 can we can break the line of trauma we can access new narratives we can we can refuse to continue on

00:14:40.540 the destructive patterns i firmly believe but it's just there's some it's just in us there's

00:14:46.720 something about that that is liberating in a way i mean this is just people are always saying about

00:14:51.380 grandmother like your grandmother's in your egg what's the matrilineal kind of egg thing that's

00:14:56.000 my bit no i know it's from you that's what i'm saying no is it not real so no no it's very real

00:15:02.240 so i'm paraphrasing here something for my stand-up act i used to have a stand-up act uh

00:15:07.000 used to tour with this and so here's part of here's a bit loosely speaking here here's a bit

00:15:11.340 for my stand-up act okay so the truth is that if you're born with eggs like like okay you have

00:15:18.220 you're born with a certain amount of eggs oh like limited and finite right and they're limited

00:15:22.380 and they're in you at birth which is actually repulsive in you at birth it's not like baby is

00:15:25.880 full of its eggs disgusting yeah so it's not like oh you have all these eggs and it's like that's

00:15:31.380 the amount and then they dwindle dwindle dwindle right and so yeah and so what it means is that

00:15:36.760 and this is what was exciting to me was that oh so when my mother was born the egg that then i

00:15:42.020 would hatch from so to speak was already inside of her so there's a there's an argument she made

00:15:46.880 that I was with her her whole life so so women carry each other their whole lives and so

00:15:54.360 ostensibly you could say that I've been marinating in my mother's fears and desires her whole life

00:16:00.380 definitely okay your egg has been marinating in her since birth that is disturbing yeah and we

00:16:07.640 know this we know that you know prenatal memories or that infants or fetuses can like you know if

00:16:13.980 your mother is enduring a lot of trauma and stress and freaked out when she's pregnant with you

00:16:18.820 you're gonna come out a little shaky you know it's like it's just the truth and again we talked

00:16:24.320 about the better baby and all that on last week's episode and it does put so much pressure on the

00:16:28.560 mother to be this kind of disconnected um you know completely serving the fetus at all costs 0.96

00:16:36.800 and devoid of any individuality or desire or strife and it's like no of course pregnant women 0.98

00:16:41.540 are going to be are entitled to be as complex as people who aren't pregnant but right I just mean

00:16:46.940 that you know what I'm trying to say or just that I lost it I lost it I lost it no my ADD is going

00:16:54.760 the same way um I'm off the charts today this morning I woke up and I said I'm going back on

00:16:59.200 Adderall and my therapist even because I'm getting I'm getting a lot of OCD obsessive O lately and

00:17:03.840 she's like you got to go back on the Adderall and I just I'm so confused I mean I understand OCD

00:17:08.780 as a response to the ADD brain but to me Adderall etc only only heightens my obsessive no I actually

00:17:17.460 I mean it's definitely not for everyone but but for me I do think if I'm on Adderall my OCD is

00:17:22.420 better tragically yeah no that's interesting yeah let's talk about this after the break I need some

00:17:27.640 water right now because my skin is falling off interesting because as I've said in almost every

00:17:32.780 episode uh water from the inside can't save your skin but enjoy i meant more emotionally oh fair

00:17:38.860 enough okay stop right there you've been given a ticket to go to the ads

00:17:45.020 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:17:54.480 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:18:01.220 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:18:02.600 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:18:06.240 So no, I am not your guru.

00:18:10.000 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:18:12.640 I lied to police.

00:18:13.900 I lied to everybody.

00:18:14.660 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:18:17.880 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:18:20.540 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:18:23.360 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:18:26.720 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:18:29.620 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:18:31.220 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:18:34.240 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

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00:18:51.400 Welcome home, sweetheart. Back to the show.

00:18:53.960 I do want to say really quick one thing about healing the trauma of the previous whatever.

00:19:00.420 yeah there's an idea that i find really exciting which is not just oh i'm gonna break the cycle

00:19:05.100 my generation and the previous generations you know you know screw them right it's like this

00:19:10.060 there's this idea that you can heal backwards yes i love that they can send the healing back

00:19:14.920 i firmly believe the lineage because that's the reason to do the work directionality

00:19:19.140 is less relevant on the spiritual plane okay i mean a directionality linearity right so it's

00:19:25.360 kind of like yes like it's i mean it's similar to that thing about in newtonian physics like

00:19:29.860 they can't even prove why uh in effect can't cause a cause or whatever like like they don't

00:19:34.700 they don't know whatever all right i got a lot of they don't know i mean that's the headline

00:19:38.860 yeah of everything i don't know oh and then the thing that jim tucker says okay like i was

00:19:45.260 referencing earlier that i find really after he does all this research about the past lives and

00:19:48.960 whatever and collects it and is very you know academic about the whole thing you know there's

00:19:54.060 a chapter in one of his books where he where he's like well how could this be possible you know like

00:19:58.500 and one thing he raises is sort of this like psi concept of you know p-s-y okay so it's like

00:20:05.380 something that basically this idea that everything that has been known can be known okay like a kind

00:20:10.420 of collective consciousness all the information and perspective and anything in the world that's

00:20:15.160 been thought or exists on that plane could technically be tapped into if you were able to

00:20:19.760 and so you know or if you see all of our individual consciousnesses as as a kind of

00:20:26.000 expression of one unified consciousness then in theory you could access the memories of a life

00:20:31.660 that you did not live so you might be tapping in you might be watching that movie and i could watch

00:20:37.320 that movie just like you could watch that movie and that's i think that's pretty compelling i

00:20:41.100 think that's cool and i think when you because i um i lucid dream from time to time right and it's

00:20:48.120 something it's a power that i wanted to harness thank you and then of course i buy the books and

00:20:52.360 forget but um i think about certain or like ghosts like i've never seen a ghost thank god

00:20:57.180 because i think i've also they know i don't want to see them because i'll become so hysterical and

00:21:00.700 never recover so i think i've shut myself off like i i'm like i shut myself off through desperation

00:21:05.660 they're disgusted by my desperation and sorry not to do a bit for my old act okay i too have

00:21:10.120 toured and i did no but they're disgusted by my desperation and they they want none of it they

00:21:14.580 don't want the girls that want them you know you get to hit the stage with that ghost material and

00:21:19.860 i still will in the future um i yeah i imagine if we saw a ghost together how exciting it would be

00:21:25.420 i could see you and me sharing a hotel room alone but being alone with the ghost is

00:21:29.880 unbearable to me i just i maybe i should i think a couple times i've kind of been like fine 0.97

00:21:36.400 show me show me reveal yourself a couple times i've been like sure bitch you know yeah bring 0.99

00:21:43.220 it on and i'm like okay but i would love if the poog listeners not to be cornball but i would 0.99

00:21:48.460 really love if any of them have ghost experiences no jokes please no jokes okay we don't joke here

00:21:53.620 about these manners okay i want you to post it okay you at poog podcast okay post it nice thick

00:22:00.720 thing we'll put it up in ghost stories highlight on the on the poog a nice thick text is what i'm

00:22:06.480 trying to say really quick to my so i've never seen a ghost but i have had you know some good

00:22:11.160 things here and there that happen that are quite shocking and then i had a dream um shortly after

00:22:16.420 moving into my house the house that i'm in i rent okay let's be clear it's uh rent stabilized

00:22:22.520 and um but it was built in like 1905 or something i mean it's an old house and yes and i had a dream

00:22:30.380 i had a lucid dream that i was walking it's a two-bedroom i was walking out of the bedroom

00:22:36.020 into the office and there was a little girl sitting on a stool with her kind of classic

00:22:42.580 ghost image like her face was like an old uh dress she was on like a little white lace dress 0.94

00:22:48.560 honestly she had shoulder length hair i'm scared now i'm talking about her and she's gonna wake up 0.67

00:22:52.400 and come see me now but but she was on this like little stool and then i was getting closer and i

00:22:58.840 wasn't scared in the dream and i was like what's going on i went closer and she said to me she was

00:23:03.740 like it happened on a sunday in church so specific yeah okay let me breathe for a second i'm thrilled

00:23:10.860 okay okay thank you so what does it mean so i really remember that in the dream i was like wow

00:23:14.900 and i wasn't scared and i just like heard that and then woke up and it was just a very clear memory

00:23:19.480 well there is a big question with lucid dreaming um which is are you actually astral projecting

00:23:26.000 okay maybe not a big question but some people there's a bit of a confusion between whether

00:23:29.240 you're astral projecting or it is so shocking what's the difference right what's what's the

00:23:33.640 difference now in theory you know i guess just classic lucid dreaming would be you are in your

00:23:40.340 dreamscape and that's it right and you're controlling what's going on and etc etc right

00:23:44.400 right but but astral projection is this concept that you have an astral body and that when you

00:23:49.300 dream you are actually uh moving about the astral plane of existence in your astral body right now

00:23:57.320 or that this can sometimes happen as a result of lucid dreaming because your your body is asleep

00:24:02.920 and your consciousness is is active and and super conscious because now it's aware that it's dreaming

00:24:08.180 right now you're in a real position to activate the astral form and step away now the astral form

00:24:12.660 is connected to the the abdomen okay by a silver cord that stretches thinner and thinner the farther

00:24:18.500 away you go from your body etc so it doesn't give the people the basics of astral by the way

00:24:21.820 so those lucid dreaming we should define lucid dreaming is when you dream but you know you're

00:24:25.320 dreaming so you're completely asleep and you're in the dream but you're able to manipulate it and

00:24:29.440 you're fully aware oh this is a dream and you can manipulate your surroundings and it's pure heaven

00:24:33.340 mine always turns sexual almost immediately right and that's that's not because you go okay here

00:24:38.060 I am what I want to do. Well, the classic for me is what there's different versions of reality

00:24:42.060 testing, right? No, but the different versions of reality testing is a thing. So with lucid dreaming,

00:24:48.500 right? During the day, you're supposed to test reality by doing things that don't work in a

00:24:53.340 dream. So you look at a number on a piece of paper, it says 532, you look away, you look back,

00:24:58.500 it says 532, again, still, then you're awake, right? That's in dreams, apparently that can't

00:25:05.600 happen you can't you also can't turn lights on and off okay so these are so you practice wait

00:25:09.960 you haven't heard any of this no boy those books are unread on the nightstand i got to page seven

00:25:15.720 one exercise this is like stare at my hands like you focus on your hands for a long time before you

00:25:19.500 go to sleep and then so when you when you're like am i dreaming you look down at your hands and you're

00:25:23.220 like oh i'm dreaming it's like creating these little touchstones for you but even better i

00:25:27.120 think are these these tests okay so during the day you practice continually checking am i dreaming

00:25:33.840 okay of course you know you're not worried about you know it's not like you think you are but you

00:25:38.880 get into a habit of always doing that or looking at your watch seeing the time looking away looking

00:25:42.520 back if the number remains okay because that can't happen in dream they also say you can't

00:25:46.200 change light in a dream like if you turn on a light you can't turn a light on or off in a dream

00:25:49.900 whatever that kind of thing right so then you get in the habit of doing that then when you're sleep

00:25:53.820 you um you know your dream you're doing because it's a habit and then you realize you're dreaming

00:25:58.720 whatever right then you can store but what a really simple sort of classic um thing is things

00:26:05.800 to note are if you can't dial a number on a telephone and it's driving you crazy and it

00:26:11.820 won't work it was a classic kind of anxiety dream thing maybe it's a dream so like if your tech

00:26:16.220 isn't working in the way that like then that's a way to realize the dream yes another one is if

00:26:21.360 you see someone you realize they're dead you're like wait you can't be here you're dead right

00:26:26.280 Right. You died a number of years ago. Then you realize you're lucid dreaming. And I classically

00:26:30.340 one time was dreaming and was talking to a late cousin of mine realized, oh, wait, this means

00:26:39.300 I'm lucid dreaming and immediately ditched the conversation, just put my hands above my head

00:26:44.000 and soared into the trees. Okay. And like, I could have like stayed and, you know, asked him

00:26:50.520 about the afterlife because some people feel like those are, you know, those dream visitations are

00:26:54.640 real visitations from the spirit world but i just like i was like hold on zoomed into the trees

00:26:59.160 and then was just soaring looping looping arcing through trees that were not only green okay they

00:27:06.220 were lush the sun was filtering through them and they were lilac they were a pale pink they were

00:27:11.620 green there was yellows it was beautiful god that sounds nice the last lucid dream i had i just

00:27:17.520 remember because they say that if you start reading about lucid dreaming and start or start

00:27:20.660 thinking about like you will start to like as soon as you kind of introduce it into your waking

00:27:24.300 life then it just be you're more likely to actually conjure them yes and i you know famously

00:27:29.580 of course read like seven pages of a book and then fell asleep that night i was in a dream and 0.85

00:27:34.240 my the only lucid dreamy moment i had was i was like i realized oh i'm dreaming oh shit and there 0.64

00:27:39.060 was a closet and i said open the closet i said okay i'm gonna see michael jackson in the closet

00:27:42.880 and i opened the closet nothing was there i moved the clothes to the side and there was a painting

00:27:49.020 of michael jackson in the back of the closet it was so it's so yes it was like it was like a rich

00:27:54.060 oil painting like the colors were so real yes and the clothes i feel like i could feel the fabric on

00:27:59.600 my hands like push the clothing aside i mean it's so it's it's a radical experience lucid dreaming

00:28:05.020 well why and yet and here i am just yeah so just read the book i can have a whole second life and

00:28:11.200 that's what they talk about with lucid dreaming it's like you can't have another life you can

00:28:14.800 work out kind of issues like you can actually work out as well i believe that if you do ab work

00:28:22.000 in the dream state okay it will trigger things in the brain that will release hormones that will

00:28:27.360 tighten those abs as a little belief of mine but what i've done in in those states okay where

00:28:33.180 to me it's sort of am i loose dreaming or i'm aiming to astral project that has been how i go

00:28:37.220 to sleep for the last 10 years okay I go to sleep trying to leave my body and on the occasions that

00:28:45.000 I've sort of half done it maybe through um this dreaming you know unclear what I've done

00:28:51.040 is I go through walls okay and that's exciting there's an idea that you so you stick your arm

00:28:59.500 through the wall okay because you could do that when you're astral and then and then you and then

00:29:05.240 you feel around what's in there and i felt like sometimes i stuck my arm in the wall and i felt

00:29:09.480 things that were like what would be in the wall you know what i mean like wiring and rats wow

00:29:15.040 did you just drop your gua sha that must have been it it was no i've been dying to get off

00:29:20.680 skincare and into the spiritual and here we are and yet the gua sha calls out by dropping on the

00:29:24.820 floor i know you will not be taking over today sir all right um so but do you fly in your dreams

00:29:33.440 yes i mean because going through the wall and into the sky okay okay is big like that's pretty

00:29:41.160 much what i do when when i mean taking flight come on taking flight is is and sometimes oh

00:29:49.840 i had a huge realization about dreams recently okay this is huge i've been meaning to ask people

00:29:55.200 then i forget all right do you have any locations locations settings whatever i guess it could be

00:30:02.300 characters that exist in your dreams in a recurring fashion consistently the same that

00:30:10.260 do not exist in real life okay no I feel like I'm never in a place more than once okay so let me so

00:30:16.640 so let me give you the examples because I feel like I didn't even notice that I do this because

00:30:21.020 it is the second life there like I just took it for granted okay I've realized here's some of them

00:30:25.600 I've been like logging them there's a discount store in my brain okay that exists in a place

00:30:31.580 in my hometown where there is none. Okay. And, and often I have to run there in my recurring dream

00:30:37.640 in which, um, I have this recurring dream that it's Christmas morning or late Christmas Eve.

00:30:43.280 And I haven't gotten everybody in my family, a gift. Okay. And I have to try to run out and see

00:30:49.260 if I can find something that looks suitable from like a CVS. Okay. But there's this discount store

00:30:54.660 this in my dream. The other one, there's a comedy club somewhere in Ohio. Okay. Okay. And, and it

00:31:00.620 has a very and this is a comedy club that in my mind almost every time i try to go do a set there

00:31:06.280 i'm late okay i'm late and i'm like is the guy mad at me from last time being late it's a specific

00:31:12.840 comment i've done comedy sets on there multiple times okay in my dreams okay there's um there's

00:31:18.240 a sort of i was gonna say discount again but it's not there's oh there's a specific kind of barnes

00:31:23.180 noble type place that has a thing in the center i don't have these i can you believe it i feel

00:31:28.780 like you might though not really there's a hotel like a weird hotel they're all kind of like

00:31:33.400 extensions of places that do exist isn't that just wild i just realized it is another world

00:31:40.360 no it when you really start to think about i mean the way we just accept dreaming we're like

00:31:44.260 you're born you dream and it's like wait we'll go back what dreams are and i i gotta go i gotta

00:31:51.560 get a young and young and therapist now i mean i really i really i'm humiliating i'm i'm rereading

00:31:58.040 memory streams and reflections and still have not gotten myself a Jungian therapist. Are you

00:32:01.780 humiliating? Are you aware at all the work of James Hollis? He's a really brilliant Jungian

00:32:05.640 psychotherapist. Frankly sounds familiar. I'm humiliated once again. He writes really wonderful

00:32:11.280 books. I want to recommend to the, to the Pugla listeners, his book, Creating a Life. It's really

00:32:15.500 beautiful. And he talks a lot about just like the first half of your life. You're just kind of,

00:32:19.640 you've just, it's kind of a mistake. Like you're just inheriting the symbols and the patterns of

00:32:23.600 everyone before you. It's like the first half of your life is just imprint. You're, you're just,

00:32:27.220 you're just going through the motions of what you've been taught and being socialized and your

00:32:30.600 primary caretakers and of course your genes the zeitgeist into which are born yes but that

00:32:35.120 basically at your midlife point if you get to their midlife meaning i think like you know your

00:32:39.700 mid-30s or whatever right it's like then you actually have the the potential to kind of break

00:32:44.080 open new patterns and go okay what do i actually want to do but is that what individuate means i'm

00:32:48.200 sorry i've individually twice to say it is that individuation i feel like it might be misuse that

00:32:52.500 term all the time i'm not sure i mean i think individuation is being primarily Freudian idea

00:32:57.020 right of individuating from the mother the infant the infant like looking at his foot and being

00:33:00.600 like how could my foot be in my mouth and it's something about it's something about that like

00:33:06.180 the infant recognizing its own body as not as being separate from the mother i was just well

00:33:10.620 oh right right right and i think there's also something about like i don't know my cousin 0.95

00:33:14.240 always references the shit in the bathtub being a big moment i think psychologically something 0.98

00:33:18.480 about the creation of the shit and going that was in me now it's outside of me it's like an 0.99

00:33:22.720 abjection, like recognizing it's like this moment of how could that be so close to me inside of me 0.99

00:33:28.160 and yet now it's outside of me and it came from me. I can never remember abjection and that which

00:33:32.940 is so close that it must be pushed away. That which is so unbearably close, it must be radically

00:33:37.320 jettisoned. Julia Kristeva. Oh, jettisoned is huge for you. I love jettison. I used to talk,

00:33:42.500 I'm looking over here. Where's my objection book? Yeah. Julia Kristeva. No, abjection is huge for

00:33:46.760 you. And the reason I struggle with the word abjection and struggle with other words that

00:33:51.000 have the following characteristic yeah any word that is based solely on two like root like a root

00:33:58.180 and a suffix or a root and a prefix okay that are based on those that which we were taught and which

00:34:03.360 they claimed we could decode the meaning of any sat word okay they were like as long as you're

00:34:08.780 armed with the roots and then there i am okay on the last question of of the psats and it involves

00:34:15.180 the word extemporaneous and extemporaneous speech okay and i i ignored i ignored context

00:34:21.900 because why would someone talk about why would someone note that a speech was extemporaneous if

00:34:26.780 it didn't mean you know spontaneously speaking without preparation right no one would contextually

00:34:31.940 note that's just what other speeches are is is is prepared right so but i decided x temp okay i was

00:34:39.700 like out of time okay so i was like extemporaneously is like is like they're speaking out of the out

00:34:47.100 of the from out of the time in which they're speaking do you see what i'm saying extemp like

00:34:51.220 it isn't in temp right with what with what they're saying and so i i use the roots okay and i got

00:34:58.060 screwed okay okay okay i got screwed and yet you still landed at georgetown yeah yeah and i mean

00:35:06.420 but but you know merit scholar whatever whatever it is you know i could have been a could have been 0.95

00:35:10.900 in a smaller group you know i as we know i've hang up so these things matter to me because i miss

00:35:15.880 school so much i long to learn i actually i long to learn desperately and my my attention span has

00:35:22.100 been so violently whittled away due to social media addiction um which of course i actually

00:35:28.020 am completely powerless and we need 12 step for social media i've actually this is a huge this is

00:35:32.000 I got a huge poog scoop here. I have come so close to deactivating all my social media in

00:35:36.700 the last two days, Jacqueline. And actually poog is one of the primary reasons I've gone. No, 1.00

00:35:40.240 I can't. I need to be able to post some about poog. Right. Yeah. But yeah. And I'm reaching 1.00

00:35:43.720 out here to the listeners to say mom's not doing well and I might actually need to log off. I think

00:35:48.780 I actually might be reaching the, I of course will not never come back. Um, but I'm kind of

00:35:55.300 thinking that I'm actually done donating my consciousness and my time and my whole life

00:36:01.140 as currency to someone i'll never meet in silicon valley who's trying to sell like a shoe rental

00:36:05.820 service so you can like rent shoes to go protest in or something i don't know i just i can't i

00:36:11.340 don't know if i can any longer criticize the system and yet be inside of it so so deeply and

00:36:17.520 i am exhausted and bored with myself you could get rid of caper lent at caper lent and keep

00:36:23.640 at poog podcast send all the followers over okay that's a good what do you got over there because

00:36:29.160 i would never completely delete it because one day the world will return i will tour again

00:36:33.100 i will you know hopefully make a video again you know something and so i think but i i can't do

00:36:38.700 anymore so actually maybe i'll deactivate today wow can you imagine because i'm thinking about

00:36:42.720 school and being smart and i'm looking at the books i used to read oh i used to be able to sit

00:36:45.520 there and read for two hours three hours and then i would have ideas continuing education maybe you

00:36:50.500 and me should get in some coursework together online like it's there and i think via and this

00:36:58.000 is a 10 year old reference like itunes university or whatever okay the last time i looked into

00:37:04.520 further education but there's you know free courses you don't have to pay the college

00:37:09.880 there's a lot of free i mean i know there's just simply reading i'm not a big fan of the book clubs

00:37:14.920 i've been hearing popping up among among friends i there's something feeble about it i want i love

00:37:19.740 seminar and i need i want a professor i need that central i need that conduit of information i need

00:37:25.940 that that um i need that and i yeah so i think i might have to get out i come alive when learning

00:37:32.700 um but speaking of my master class freaking membership has just you know pinged me again

00:37:39.940 with its um 180 yearly membership they they you know december 31st they just they don't want you

00:37:45.820 master classes no okay give me your login because i'll check it out paid 180 last year going i'm

00:37:54.240 gonna do this oh well i sorry to interrupt but it's just because it's so huge i paid for the

00:37:58.900 kevin spacey acting one because i because when it first came out because the trailer was so

00:38:03.360 hysterical him doing like mask work i mean it was like so unbearable no did he do that so i paid for

00:38:08.520 it because i was like this is the finest comedy that's ever been created and then yes mere like

00:38:13.620 months later you know he was he was dethroned yeah and um and there you are and there i am with

00:38:20.880 my $90 Kevin Spacey yeah I went with the with the with the carte blanche you know because once I

00:38:26.840 start buying it's really hard for me not to buy the full and and and I can't remember if this is

00:38:31.680 the second or third year which it has um reignited December 31st without me noticing

00:38:38.920 one of the ugliest traits in in a American business is the is the subscription auto

00:38:46.820 renewal with no warning i mean not even a warning what are they getting away with my mother my like

00:38:51.540 yeah netflix she had i don't know if you can still do it but up until very recently she still had the

00:38:57.200 like the plan where it was like up to four dvds a month and unlimited she was paying something

00:39:02.380 crazy see they should be taken out for that they should be class action lawsuit now i'm about to

00:39:08.380 sue them it's predation against old people it's elder abuse it's elder abuse it's the it's the

00:39:13.200 little lady getting getting swindled in her home when when husband and son are away and they can't

00:39:20.220 protect you know that old model of the 50s whatever yeah the vacuum the man at the door

00:39:24.800 the imagine door-to-door salesman imagine door-to-door salesman like as a real part of

00:39:29.600 life and letting them into the living room is astonishing incredible there's not a single

00:39:33.940 serial killer that operated that way there had to have been never caught oh i'm pretty excited 0.93

00:39:38.940 because guess what i um betty draper letting in the the salesman and then having the sex fantasy

00:39:45.400 about him fighting her against the washing machine anyway continue is that when she sits 1.00

00:39:49.220 on the washing machine for its vibrational effects classic thing that you know that's 0.87

00:39:52.980 what women were doing they had a repressed house they're pressed against their laundry 1.00

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00:41:13.620 So, Jacqueline, you never watched a single masterclass?

00:41:16.360 No, I did.

00:41:17.100 I started Billy Collins' poetry, you know.

00:41:21.000 Oh, wow.

00:41:21.460 That's fun.

00:41:22.400 And then I started Ron Howard's filmmaking.

00:41:25.520 and um what else did i watch uh i think oh i think david lynch now it was really really funny

00:41:33.840 and i even feel bad saying this but they have graphics right they have kind of ken burns effect

00:41:39.720 over a journal with notes right while the people are talking but the problem was so they did this

00:41:45.260 with like billy collins for example right poet they have these sort of close-ups of journals

00:41:49.680 kind of floating past right with a real treatment it's not just like naturalism it's like a treatment

00:41:54.180 right and and the notes they they didn't look at what the notes were they weren't his poetry notes

00:41:59.860 they were literally grocery lists and and phone numbers and not in a ginsbergian sense okay of

00:42:07.100 whatever remember remember that like wait no ginsberg's radical like beat poetry that was

00:42:12.640 like a list of items at the grocery store yeah yeah sure which is you know a classic kind of

00:42:17.720 case of like because like it can seem meaningless now but at the time oh huge it was huge and for

00:42:24.900 good reason like rejecting the norms it's just so funny i'm hearing you talk it's like

00:42:28.780 the master class just is such a fallacy this idea that somehow you're going to watch like

00:42:36.200 they have the great right they i mean the roster is insane and it's like guess what you're never

00:42:41.820 gonna learn how to do it like of course we can learn techniques can we i don't know with something

00:42:48.660 like that i'm just like watching a ron howard master class no it was curiosity for me okay

00:42:55.220 no i'm so curious about that but there's something so embarrassing and sweet and devastating about

00:43:00.900 that like like you're like watching a like a billy collins you're not going to become a poet from

00:43:06.600 about it's you cannot access it i mean that's what's so crazy about talent right i mean what

00:43:12.400 are we gonna do we're gonna talk about talent here i mean my god but really though it's like

00:43:15.380 you can't i know it's you know you have it you don't but like it is the truth and there are

00:43:20.000 people that of course have this i i think it's a mix i think it's a mix okay okay because i mean

00:43:25.360 of course there are people that are massively talented who who lack the discipline or the

00:43:30.920 cash flow. Oh, yeah, but I wasn't going to go even go there, right? I just mean, I've always felt

00:43:36.180 that any kind of learning or reading anything that other people would think would deaden the

00:43:42.720 artistic process. Okay, I think suggests you have a very low opinion of your own artistic impulse

00:43:50.080 or whatever, if you think that reading a book on, you know, three act structure is going to crush it.

00:43:55.160 okay of course right now i do think that whenever i read anything like that uh there's something

00:44:02.040 in there that i might pick up that does serve me for years and just so it could be one line

00:44:08.840 in billy collins says that frees me or something right oh that that frees a part of me that agreed

00:44:15.240 fully and sticks with you and you return to as a touchstone and and those things can call you back

00:44:21.000 onto the path of your own artistic pursuit agreed completely agreed no i look for inspiration and

00:44:27.580 hold things people have said very dearly but it's like i just mean something like the idea of the

00:44:32.960 master class it's just like as i mean obviously i'm not saying anything interesting here it's

00:44:37.280 like no i think it's interesting because i i do think you are briefly sold on you know this idea

00:44:42.740 that you're going to watch it and even even as i do like when i settle in for the ron howard

00:44:46.440 i decide like i decide like okay other people are going to watch this and get nothing from it

00:44:50.680 i am gonna get from it okay no one's gonna pay attention because i just even done honey the class

00:44:56.440 is the road that that is the school you just do it that's the school the class is the road it's

00:45:00.900 true though i am like so old-fashioned yeah i'm like yeah yeah yeah because you can't you gotta

00:45:06.520 you know this david mamet talks about acting you know i love i do love the way he completely takes

00:45:11.260 down the idea of acting perfect and he says he says stay out of school i love that i have two

00:45:16.040 copies okay i famously have two copies of three uses of a knife on the nature and purpose of

00:45:21.560 drama i also have true and false okay but i love copies false okay this is a great example some

00:45:26.020 things that mammoth has said i've internalized to a point of paralysis okay such as the purpose

00:45:34.000 the nature and purpose of drama not being to solve the conflict but to air it in its fullness

00:45:40.860 okay to completely air a dramatic conflict to a point where we can merely revel in awe at the

00:45:47.500 human condition okay that's the end of the play versus the end of the play solving the problem

00:45:52.500 and saying here's how things are and we as an audience will pat ourselves on the back for

00:45:56.220 knowing that the right one won or whatever right and i remember going in actually to saying this

00:46:01.420 to a dramatic writing teacher in college okay being like well mamet says okay and and and the

00:46:07.300 teacher saying well that's that's a very you know memetian or whatever my mission okay

00:46:12.960 that's a very mission um you know definition of drama and i was like indeed it is and i'm always

00:46:20.200 convinced by the latest argument i've heard you know what i mean yes but anyway can you learn can

00:46:25.380 you be taught i think barely you are alone in the okay i agree stand-up comedy technically speaking

00:46:31.640 i believe should not be criticized because you're already getting live criticism from an audience

00:46:36.220 that's the thing audiences laughter you know people say oh it's an involuntary response no

00:46:40.340 it's not it's voluntary it's purely social performance so people will laugh you will laugh

00:46:44.500 you will guffaw something you hate i of course have you ever laughed at a joke as a linesman

00:46:50.940 your friend goes and your friend sees you laugh really hard and you go well i missed it what did

00:46:54.560 they say you go i don't know yeah it's humiliating you don't know it's like humiliating myself i

00:47:00.800 think of myself going to see napoleon dynamite i must have been i don't know it's like the ninth

00:47:04.800 here we go here we go hated it the whole time screaming with laughter to impress the boys right

00:47:10.480 no and and and like and you know and everyone was going crazy and i was like and i tears rolling 0.99

00:47:15.920 down my cheeks convulsing you've got to that point this is shit this is some cheesy shit again my 0.99

00:47:23.020 tongue is held i have so much to say and yet my tongue is held because i don't want to insult 0.99

00:47:27.360 another artist's work on poop and also another point of why i why i don't want to speak negatively

00:47:32.540 of other people's work because it's like it i mean this is saying the complete obvious but it

00:47:37.380 somehow suggests that my work is so you know impenetrable perfect that right but like like

00:47:42.940 it's just it's it's um right although we are all you know the tyrannical sorry i don't know why i

00:47:49.640 gave an a sound that i don't i sound like a british actress trying to speak american you

00:47:53.040 know they always do the a sound like in a way that i'm like i can't locate accents like i can't

00:47:57.380 locate like an actress covering one i the only one i recognize is when they're like like i was

00:48:01.960 highly caffeinated that's not it uh what did i just say there is a moment tyrannical tyrannical

00:48:06.660 i was like tyrannical and i'm like what's the show that everyone the nicole kidman hugh jackman show

00:48:11.200 the the the the the the what okay i had to say something i had to say something this is something

00:48:17.160 new where i'm forgetting things but then i make myself the rupture the the the frag do not tell

00:48:23.180 me under no circumstance tell me i will not listen to me two days ago i could not for the life of me

00:48:27.560 remember what the movie a stars were was called i was like lady gaga and brad the cooper in and i

00:48:32.800 would not allow myself to look it up and it almost took 24 hours and i was obsessing about it i was

00:48:37.520 like is it one word is it one word and then finally i forgot about it and then i was eating a banana

00:48:42.680 stars born it just came to me out of nowhere right so right now i have to the the the it's something

00:48:46.960 about rupture fragment again this is the hbo nicole kidman hugh grant okay hang on the the um

00:48:53.080 Hugh Grant, did you say Hugh Grant?

00:48:55.220 Because I heard Wolfman.

00:48:57.620 I said Hugh Jackman.

00:48:58.240 I heard Wolfman, and I can't remember the name of Hugh Jackman's movie where he's a wolfman.

00:49:02.720 The, the...

00:49:03.760 What is that movie?

00:49:04.760 Stop, stop, the rupturing, the fracturing, their marriage is falling apart.

00:49:08.160 Oh, wait, don't tell me, don't tell me, because I can't remember either.

00:49:10.240 Don't tell me.

00:49:10.800 If you get it, don't tell me.

00:49:11.860 If you get it, don't tell me.

00:49:12.420 I didn't know we were talking about Jackman.

00:49:14.100 Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:49:15.160 Don't you dare say it if you get it.

00:49:16.540 I'm not going to.

00:49:17.620 Okay, wait, wait, I don't remember.

00:49:19.040 Okay, it's something.

00:49:19.860 okay hang on hang on hang on hang on hang on have you watched the blah blah blah i feel like it's a

00:49:25.500 the something right i know that it's the something okay it's the the the okay hold on don't you dare

00:49:31.060 i know you're gonna break the rule i know you're gonna i will tell you if i know i won't tell you

00:49:35.140 what it is i swear okay hang on let me work as well i'm shaking words we know it's not are we

00:49:41.240 allowed to help by saying words we know it's not so for example it's not the rupture okay it's not

00:49:45.100 the fall that's another show okay hold on hold on it's like okay the devastation the rupture the

00:49:49.740 the collapse the undoing the undoing i'm going over the edge and i thought about throwing my

00:50:09.580 I was, I cannot.

00:50:10.780 It was truly, I honestly feel terrible.

00:50:13.520 I feel terribly.

00:50:15.780 It's fine.

00:50:16.340 I loved it.

00:50:16.940 I loved it.

00:50:17.520 The undoing.

00:50:18.380 What a fun time.

00:50:21.060 Okay.

00:50:21.500 Except next time we'll get to the Hugh Jackman Wolfman thing.

00:50:24.800 I can't remember.

00:50:25.660 Okay.

00:50:26.200 You don't even know what I'm talking about, do you?

00:50:27.240 Nope.

00:50:28.000 It's a superhero movie starring Wolf Jackman.

00:50:29.820 Never saw it.

00:50:32.260 Hugh Jackman.

00:50:33.260 This just has to go in.

00:50:34.280 I know the episode's over, but it has to go in.

00:50:36.540 Okay.

00:50:37.180 Wolfman.

00:50:37.680 Okay, okay.

00:50:38.240 Bye.

00:50:38.640 Neither of you know. 0.97

00:50:39.580 You're so outside, you're so abjected from culture, okay?

00:50:42.740 Neither of you know a Marvel film.

00:50:43.380 I strictly watch Janice films. 0.61

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - January 19, 2021

Astral Abjection

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