Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Berlant & Novak Remix： Call the Front Desk

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00:00:30.000 well i have a huge question okay say it now what is a four-star hotel what is a three-star hotel

00:00:44.740 i think that's guess what like corrupt and over in my mind it's like each star is just like

00:00:49.680 it's going to be that much dirtier and that's not what it is it actually has to do with amenities

00:00:53.560 and it even has to do with location supposedly can you imagine so so oh it's four star because

00:00:58.680 it's right next to the museum and you're like what i was not factoring that in if you could

00:01:04.740 promise me if there was a standard that had to do with cleanliness that was its own system yeah

00:01:10.100 what's a symbol for cleanliness like four brooms it's a four broom hotel a three broom hotel

00:01:15.280 okay so i'm completely i can't hotels that don't have a nespresso in the room

00:01:25.380 they don't it's now it's just have we brought this up it needs to be standard now it's it's

00:01:30.520 well and because some hotels here's a spirit you go in there and you're an espresso you can like

00:01:34.580 call down for it or something though the level will send one up to the small room if they don't

00:01:38.700 have one exactly but or request an event i have i have to say something i stayed at an ace hotel 0.83

00:01:45.500 in brooklyn's a couple years ago they didn't have a fucking they had a guitar i'm not okay i'm not 0.94

00:01:50.720 joking you they had a they had a record player my room didn't have a guitar but had a fucking 0.97

00:01:56.280 record player yeah and no nespresso it had a it had a it had a kiosk full of vintage jackets for 0.89

00:02:03.600 sale in your room had an army surplus uh my kiosk and it didn't have a nespresso so i'm booking

00:02:10.800 hotels right i call the toronto ace i go hi can you tell me what your coffee situation is in the

00:02:17.020 room she goes yes you would have to come down to the lobby for coffee lobby for coffee lobby for

00:02:22.780 what was the hotel going on my brain lobby for coffee ace not a cheap hotel right like

00:02:27.280 no no this is the thing kate what i go i can't stay with you you had my dollar you had my and

00:02:34.840 me waking up oh i guess i'll get dressed and go down to the lobby to get coffee

00:02:40.720 oh my god by the way not every hotel waiting in line even in the lobby well that's for sure

00:02:51.400 and it's horse piss if you do if you do okay i mean but i'm always i'm always happy

00:02:55.780 when you're milking you're like you're like on the farm you're a farm hand

00:03:07.800 milking it's always like late in the session so it's like it's old and it's like coffee should

00:03:13.820 never come out of it like coffee is not meant to be no okay i mean it's fine i'll take it you know

00:03:21.020 like yeah there's a charm at a gas station okay i used to smoke cigarettes i used to get the green

00:03:26.060 mountain okay coffee okay it was a charm but also like this this sort of like coffee in the lobby

00:03:33.160 at 4 a.m between 4 and 5 30 they're like it's there yeah and then it's drippings later yeah

00:03:40.540 they've usually cleared it and then i think it needs to be in room espresso i mean my father

00:03:46.760 he's like if he doesn't have it in the room he's like he's up at four so if they don't have it

00:03:52.520 downstairs and they won't send it out that's wild you know what i mean but would you would you stay

00:03:58.200 at the ace with no given given this i because i'm looking at the numbers series of factors

00:04:03.460 i'm looking at the numbers i'd have to wait i go and i was like do i literally go to the four 0.78

00:04:09.320 seasons for because it has a fucking espresso you know what i mean like i'm not gonna pay that much 0.72

00:04:15.120 of a premium this is where people this is where a company can get customers okay they go we're 0.97

00:04:23.500 gonna offer what you care about okay so they're gonna go like remember i was telling you about

00:04:29.460 amenities being related to what star level star a hotel is people don't care about the same

00:04:35.540 amenities they might have used to right like i'd rather an espresso machine in the room than

00:04:41.380 trying to think of an amenity that like they think you're excited about like yeah you know like a

00:04:46.960 closet that's really elaborate you know these like i think he's like businesswoman closets

00:04:52.180 you know like that are very old school like for my valise and my unfolding suit i mean i guess

00:04:59.360 whatever you gotta you gotta iron your suit you gotta iron your suit so maybe now i'm like you

00:05:03.280 gotta have an iron traveling sure i mean an iron is easy right but like i'm trying to think like

00:05:07.520 what's a good example of what is it like uh well i mean i would say ace lose the guitar right let's 0.58

00:05:13.800 lose the fucking guitar and get in get a deal in espresso going right or i'm gonna write a letter

00:05:18.240 maybe i should write a letter to ace corporate yeah i mean i think it's charming because the 0.99

00:05:23.700 ace for me has a place in my heart i go ace i go well i think quality or something i think

00:05:28.240 i'm picturing a cortada it's more like i think it offers aesthetic where there was none it started

00:05:35.120 as aesthetic for cheap well it's you and me in portland yeah and that's what that's why i'm

00:05:39.420 attached to it because i have a sentimental attachment and i in portland campus i think

00:05:43.940 was portland had to ditch ditched one hotel i was trying out and ran to the ace remember i left a

00:05:48.920 hotel by like going down to the basement and exiting because there was a bug on the bed it

00:05:52.940 was like i picked like i booked the bridal suite or whatever like i booked the like like loretta

00:05:57.820 lynn like suite or something okay it was like a round bed but there was like a bug on it and i

00:06:02.780 was like i'm out but i kind of do remember took my shit downstairs my suitcase and went out through

00:06:06.920 like the kitchen in the basement and then called them and said i left that's amazing pleasing okay 0.68

00:06:12.200 like i couldn't couldn't go down and go yeah like i just don't want to be here like do you tell them

00:06:17.260 there was a bug yeah and i'm like by the way and i went straight to the ace yeah but the ace is

00:06:23.600 industrial you know at times to a fault okay and sometimes they have sometimes you want the cheesy

00:06:31.140 luxury oh i mean yeah cheeseball luxury over that i don't mind the austere or it's not even austere

00:06:38.620 it's like no no it's the they're like we don't this isn't your this isn't your grandma's hotel

00:06:43.680 yeah yeah and and sometimes to a point of rudeness like sometimes it's like it's a little too much

00:06:48.660 record shop in the in the lobby and like you know whatever my friend comes in they go oh well you

00:06:57.260 know where are you from she goes atlanta they go i hate atlanta it's like oh my god that's so funny

00:07:02.500 you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I, I, but, but yeah,

00:07:09.920 the ACE is like, I don't know. I don't know what it is. It's, I guess it's like these places where,

00:07:14.880 where they're like, but by the way, I think I'm about to go. I think I'm going to go to an ACE.

00:07:19.020 I'll still, I'll still choose an ACE when it's like $500 more to, to stay at four seasons.

00:07:26.380 The night I was at the, I mean, I know what I'm getting there. Rudeness. Okay. And

00:07:32.480 and a clean sort of a clean simplistic whatever kind of yeah and i tolerate that they think that

00:07:41.540 it feels like at times they push are all artists here okay to a point of bullying you into getting

00:07:51.080 your coffee from a local coffee shop where it's like you guys just won't put coffee in the room

00:07:55.600 and so now you're trying to make it trying to sell it as enjoy the neighborhood you know what i mean 0.99

00:08:00.400 and that i don't think is cute like own it you don't have the fucking coffee i don't know like 0.99

00:08:05.960 yeah you're willing to pay at these prices oh damn i might call again and go could you put an 0.99

00:08:10.880 espresso in my room right and they'll go god we don't have those yeah and i go well really quick 0.98

00:08:18.420 i'll say and i'm sure i've talked about this on the pod but no need to be quick when i stayed at

00:08:22.200 a hotel and it was a nice room it was like i had up i got an upgrade or something happened

00:08:28.440 it was like a suite they're like well we've actually uh upgraded you to a suite and i go

00:08:32.920 oh or the loft king or some shit go in there nice room walking around drop my bags go into the 0.73

00:08:39.700 bathroom open the toilet seat what's the worst thing you could find i'll tell you what it is 1.00

00:08:45.500 inside the toilet i mean i think it would be shit and a and a bloody tampon and piss but it was shit 0.99

00:08:53.240 and blood so i have two out of the three there was and you can't say there wasn't piss in there 0.99

00:08:59.600 there probably was because one often leads to the other and there was shit and blood and i go

00:09:06.200 it was like so shocking because the room was so pristine it was like a mystery it was like 0.62

00:09:10.680 the toilet was pristine otherwise like i was like what happened here so then i called out and i go

00:09:16.320 hi um do you immediately panic that this is your kink that they're gonna think this is your kink

00:09:21.100 that you go into a pristine hotel room you make the worst thing you can have happen into a

00:09:25.420 toilet and then you call them up and make them look at it

00:09:27.940 it's the discomfort on their face okay it was uncomfortable it's just the voice even it was

00:09:36.740 uncomfortable to tell her the truth because i go yeah no the room's great um god yeah i don't 0.97

00:09:41.520 know how to say this but there's um shit and blood in the toilet and and like like she was 0.53

00:09:47.060 like oh my god like i am so sorry yeah i'm you know i'm i'm going i'm going out to dinner or 0.71

00:09:52.960 something so and then it was like i i had to leave the room i came back and like so do you go room

00:09:59.820 comped for that no but it's it's pretty shocking well i had an experience where i had to come down 0.98

00:10:07.220 and say room's great bed covered in mouth shit no or what i oh yeah oh yeah all i know is it's 0.98

00:10:14.300 Smeared when I touched it with a toothpick or whatever. 0.99

00:10:17.880 And then they moved my room, but they also diagnosed it as

00:10:22.360 there was this like heating vent above the thing and all the dirt coming in.

00:10:27.060 So I think it actually was dirt.

00:10:29.080 It makes more sense.

00:10:30.280 Yeah.

00:10:30.780 Because a night had not passed.

00:10:32.780 I just, I believe it, but I still moved rooms just like to feel fresh.

00:10:38.300 You know what I mean?

00:10:38.620 i had an experience in a hotel this week really and there was an experience of it's and i've i've

00:10:48.140 waited for this day to come housekeeper seeing me naked do you remember what happened to me no

00:10:53.860 it happened to me in um an expensive hotel because of course it does it doesn't it's

00:10:59.640 totally irrelevant this was an expensive hotel too and you know it's like whatever

00:11:05.600 were you full frontal it was like kind of here's what it was or getting out of the tub it wasn't

00:11:11.200 even the shame at the nudity it was the shock of i was being put up in a room sorry sorry and here

00:11:16.580 comes it's about to get worse the room was so big i couldn't hear her knock but it's true i was in

00:11:21.140 like the shitting area because it was like the thing of like oh yeah it's like the living room

00:11:26.220 the kitchen is the bedroom and i was staying alone in it so i really was like i just was like 0.53

00:11:32.120 feeling really free yeah like clothes scattered and i was in separate bathroom with a door

00:11:37.340 but the point is i couldn't hear her knocking and then yeah something unspeakable happened

00:11:44.800 in the bathroom really well no no just you use the toilet what bad people do the boys room

00:11:51.080 and then i glued to my phone because i've relapsed on instagram and i nakedly stumbled out on my

00:11:58.860 phone look and looking down like this and then what was strange was that she was silently she

00:12:04.420 was there but she was like cleaning what didn't make a sound so i was fully i was walking toward

00:12:10.520 her without hearing her and she didn't say anything so then it was almost it was like like

00:12:14.160 what's that shape and it was almost what's that shape it was like i was looking at her and it took

00:12:18.200 me a second to register as a person so like this can't be possible you're like i don't remember

00:12:21.780 this art piece yeah i just couldn't and so and then i i wouldn't say i screamed it's scary

00:12:27.440 but that's what it was still no this is terrifying yeah exactly so she was yeah she'd been yeah you

00:12:33.880 know but like but instead it was just like complete and so i didn't do a full screen but i was like

00:12:39.700 and then i you know grabbed my robe the whole thing and i was like sorry sorry i didn't she's

00:12:43.020 like i was knocking i didn't hear you know i was like the room's too big the room's too big

00:12:45.600 you know oh yeah let me ask on the big room and then um and then she was like i could like i could

00:12:51.580 just clean over here and i was like but then i was like get out no of course not but i just was like

00:12:57.080 no it's fine and then you know left a big tip sorry you got hey you got to see a little something

00:13:03.040 a little something special do you think part of the embarrassment is is like there's something

00:13:05.860 about nudity with the phone right yeah unless you're like taking a nude yeah like because i

00:13:11.980 feel like the posture when you're using a phone or scrolling is probably like hideous yeah because

00:13:17.780 you're like yeah yeah you're just like you're like distended stomach yeah yeah and so i feel

00:13:26.820 Like, there's a little bit of that.

00:13:27.720 And then, um.

00:13:29.100 Well, because then as soon as she left, I was like, was I talking to myself?

00:13:33.200 Probably.

00:13:34.300 Was I?

00:13:35.000 Or like, I think that when I'm alone.

00:13:36.920 That's interesting.

00:13:37.400 Yeah, like, just like, I think I do that.

00:13:41.720 But then I was like, I could have been singing.

00:13:43.860 I could have been monologuing.

00:13:45.340 I could have been doing a, you know, full-throated confession.

00:13:48.040 I don't think so, but maybe I was.

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00:17:13.060 it, when we were doing the Pug Christmas tour, the inaugural Pug Christmas tour, we were going

00:17:17.920 to Philadelphia and Jacqueline Novak, again, through AMX had booked us at the Ritz and I was

00:17:24.020 getting excited because i was like it's my first ritz and a you know the ritz this is one of those

00:17:29.060 kind of tentpole so you first luxury hotels my first ritz just that language yeah yeah and so

00:17:35.460 i got excited because like oh the ritz and then i get into the room and i was like okay you know 0.55

00:17:39.940 it wasn't it was by the way it wasn't shit i spent three months warning you okay you were like don't

00:17:45.780 get all like whatever the ritz the ritz yeah because i had also booked our travel basically 0.65

00:17:50.640 like to get the benefits and the upgrades and whatever so i was all excited about the ritz

00:17:55.080 jack i was warning me don't get too excited don't get because i booked it my first ritz

00:17:58.960 and i and i was sort of i had felt this whole there was a lot on me like if kate said anything

00:18:04.580 negative about anything i had booked like i was really sensitive like again in that when i go

00:18:09.880 into my knight archetype okay on kate and you know we all i mean you you can imagine imagine

00:18:15.920 you're with caperland okay and you're responsible for the sensuous

00:18:22.120 property the environment imagine imagine holding that responsibility okay meanwhile and don't 1.00

00:18:28.960 forget she's cheap she's cheap she's a cheap bastard okay so she also comes with the prices 0.92

00:18:34.760 she comes with the prices so i have changed and here i am i last night because we're going to do 0.99

00:18:40.240 i texted jack that i go i treated myself to the four seasons so i'm on tour she knows i'm the only

00:18:45.580 person that she has to the moment she starts to type like i gave myself an early birthday present

00:18:49.860 okay she has to like qualify because you know whatever by the way and i got a great deal okay

00:18:55.540 keep going so we get in and i could see the ritz the ritz okay she's fixing it on tonight the ritz

00:19:00.860 can't believe it my first ritz okay and then and then and then i'm like just don't freak out like

00:19:07.860 just just don't overblow it and then that was a classic way she gets her room she starts sending

00:19:12.540 me photos of the room is your room like this comes down to my room okay you had a better room

00:19:19.100 yeah no no i go no kate okay i sent back the photos you go you became convinced later okay

00:19:27.320 you're like that vanity like your vanity is like totally different and no my curtains are drawn

00:19:33.680 and i have like i have the sconce on okay versus you flipping on me like overhead no

00:19:40.400 to take photos no you're right actually that is what happened i can find the photos

00:19:45.360 somewhere but the point is so i get photos from you and and it's like to me these photos are

00:19:49.760 curated okay they are they are they are these very specific photos that kate forlant takes

00:19:56.920 when she gets to the hotel room in my mind she sends them to me she sends them to her mother

00:20:00.240 yeah exactly exactly okay there's a few people okay to basically give her peace about whether

00:20:06.080 what she paid for you know she was right to pay for i mean literally kate though that one time

00:20:11.460 like you thought that the vanity on the sink in the bathroom was different and i just think you

00:20:16.120 want to be like the same one i mean no no it was amazing that the perception the the the the live

00:20:21.840 perception so i get the disease that we panic clouds of the mind okay so i get this last night

00:20:29.320 It's this classic hotel shop for you.

00:20:32.100 Okay.

00:20:32.700 It looks borderline shot by the hotel.

00:20:36.800 I know.

00:20:37.520 TripAdvisor.

00:20:38.780 TripAdvisor.

00:20:40.160 Okay.

00:20:40.580 Like you've been on TripAdvisor for years.

00:20:42.660 You know, like here's a neutral photo.

00:20:44.920 I'll just pay.

00:20:46.520 Wide as hell.

00:20:47.740 Right.

00:20:48.220 Right.

00:20:48.480 Like to do an assessment.

00:20:49.800 I don't know.

00:20:50.120 It's just like, it's really specific.

00:20:51.720 And when one comes in, I feel like usually if it just comes in,

00:20:56.840 like spraying for the poor seasons and then picture,

00:20:59.320 yeah what am i it means you're asking if it's good enough because i feel like when you're

00:21:04.240 freaking pumped i get a text that's like when you're freaking pumped okay but when you're 0.67

00:21:08.360 freaking pumped i get a text that's like that's like holy shit this is the nicest hotel i've ever 0.94

00:21:12.440 stayed at yeah yeah that was me at the viceroy when i know one bedroom suite where i've recorded 0.73

00:21:17.560 from there in years past you know what's funny it is the one bedroom suite the burlwood the

00:21:22.500 burlwood furnishings didn't it reignite your interest in burlwood well i don't even know

00:21:27.020 or what it is to be honest but the the the the bedroom with the the viceroy this happened to me

00:21:32.760 twice around the i was at the viceroy right and again i was put up for work so i wasn't paying

00:21:36.900 i was in the one bedroom suites divine i went back great service love it i was in not a one

00:21:42.720 bedroom suite but like the grand king or something a lovely room but i had been spoiled by the one

00:21:49.560 bedroom suite where i get there and i was staying for four nights and i'd and then i called out and

00:21:54.040 And I was like, sorry, just how much is, like, I was like, what's the difference, right?

00:22:00.500 And, of course, the difference was astronomical.

00:22:02.640 And I was like, oh, right.

00:22:04.180 Like, that's what it is.

00:22:06.480 And, by the way, on Hotel Talk, and this is really funny.

00:22:10.660 Is that a segment in our show?

00:22:12.620 No.

00:22:13.020 Or a website?

00:22:13.680 No, it's brand new.

00:22:14.400 I'm premiering it.

00:22:15.120 Hotel Talk.

00:22:16.160 Oh, hell yeah.

00:22:17.160 Okay.

00:22:17.460 Okay, but.

00:22:18.740 I'm thinking $15 tier for those who travel.

00:22:21.420 at the so we're just we're saying at the Ludlow and my partner later called me on I said this

00:22:26.980 in completely flatly and genuinely I was talking about this is like I said it's been a tough Ludlow

00:22:35.640 no no no no no no no I go I go I go I said to them completely genuinely I was like to who

00:22:43.900 to Naomi to my partner oh no no I thought you meant okay okay so I had for days for days because 0.79

00:22:50.560 again i was staying in new york friend was out of town i got to stay at her un-fucking-believable

00:22:54.840 three-story berkeley townhouse like congrats yeah i was insane oh my god and then i moved to 0.73

00:22:59.720 a king ludlow i get in there and i've been talking to naomi all week i go baby i sprung

00:23:05.560 we're staying in the king i get there i open i go have you never been this is small so listen to

00:23:10.700 the okay the queen loft is bigger than bigger i know okay so here hotel talk oh doesn't mean

00:23:18.460 big room it means this is so confusing so i go so i by the way i meant to cross-reference the

00:23:25.440 prices but i go oh my god so last time and i wasn't paying i don't know what was going on

00:23:30.740 i was at a queen loft and it was fucking bathtub with the window so then i get in there and so 0.56

00:23:38.000 here's something that's tough and this is what made it a tough ludlow the there's i i take a 0.90

00:23:43.180 picture how do i picture it you're in the room there's a huge block the electrical closet that's

00:23:48.240 the hall is built into the room right so there it's like a cutout and so then oh yeah for days

00:23:54.260 i'm going so if this if the electrical closet weren't here is that just open floor is that

00:24:00.100 just open floor that instead it's the electrical closet and i go do they give it to me because i'm

00:24:04.380 staying longer like what like maybe they roll out this is another question i have about hotels

00:24:09.000 if you're staying for more than or do they roll out let's give the best room to people who are

00:24:13.380 staying for two nights one night entice them some some person who's here for a week we've got them

00:24:18.200 trapped you know what i want to do the first guest the first guest hotel manager hotel manager

00:24:25.340 anyone will do and you can you can anonymity will will will blur your voice and yeah that that's

00:24:31.420 like but they're like they're like it's like the throes they're like the throes are never washed

00:24:37.040 they're like because you know my belief that throes are never washed yeah anything that's

00:24:41.020 like well of course i rip it off the bed you you get into a hotel you too i immediately rip off

00:24:46.100 Me too, throw it.

00:24:47.100 And the pillow. 0.84

00:24:47.660 The decorative tables that are soaked and cum.

00:24:50.640 Yeah.

00:24:50.960 The decorative pillow is straight on the floor. 1.00

00:24:53.720 Some businessman's putting it under his wife's ass so he can go deeper. 1.00

00:25:01.340 I'm throwing that on the floor. 1.00

00:25:06.660 No, it's like, I mean, I've talked about this before,

00:25:09.500 but I had a concept soaring on caffeine about a hotel where everything's metal and wood,

00:25:14.220 okay but mostly metal plus washable cloths all copper all copper okay the first all

00:25:20.880 the copper in

00:25:25.920 okay no no but here's the key here's key here's the key okay so i i developed in my mind a line

00:25:36.340 of furniture that everything is there's not there's not a piece of cloth in the room

00:25:40.800 that isn't completely freshly laundered before you enter okay so it's a design construction

00:25:47.560 issue okay so so so for example there's a chair in the room but that chair is made of let's just

00:25:53.760 say copper and cloth okay for its antiviral properties i want to be clear yeah and cloth

00:26:03.980 that so the cloth is like a sling let's just say yeah oh yeah so it's it's washed each time it's

00:26:09.860 wash each time even i would even take i think i'm not sure the interior pillow okay the interior

00:26:15.680 pillow is encased in plastic or whatever something okay and then that okay then that is a copper

00:26:21.520 pillow essentially or whatever that isn't a fresh okay so you go in there it's like your room is

00:26:26.540 made of copper and white sheets yeah essentially yeah in different degrees okay you could twist up

00:26:32.000 a white sheet and it's it's like you twist it up you could do anything yeah twist up your own sheet

00:26:37.440 you see what i'm saying like like oh the copper ends making me laugh and then but my huge question

00:26:41.640 was do you open it as a hotel or is it the kind of thing that instantly everyone's every hotel is

00:26:47.080 going to start offering it because it's going to become a new standard and then so the question is

00:26:50.180 do you instead start the furniture and the linen design company right and get your um

00:26:55.500 yeah and by the way you hear an idea on this podcast and i don't get 99 okay you can have

00:27:04.380 one percent if you want to actualize i think that actually the logical the logical next step of poog

00:27:10.240 is you going on shark tank with something you could get on i have too many ideas you could get

00:27:16.840 on i mean so many but wait but no no yeah take me back but just but no but it's just the love

00:27:22.820 though so wait hang on so i get into the room right the electrical closet thing i hardly even

00:27:26.420 understand it was like after the first night i was like what's the box i was like what the

00:27:30.280 fuck is going on that there's like a there's like a huge box into the room i mean when i'm in but 0.52

00:27:36.820 when i'm in the room still love the love low listen to me but when i'm in the room i'm like 1.00

00:27:42.000 because i've been talking up to naomi honey i got us the king okay all fucking leaked like an idiot 0.94

00:27:48.340 and then i i call down staring at that i get there i can't even talking about the box i call the 0.98

00:27:55.580 front desk i go hi um no no no let's say this i go that voice every time not because of the box

00:28:01.320 i go i go hi um just got into the room i just wanted to confirm i just i'm sorry i have to

00:28:09.920 interrupt no it's fine hi i just um i'm just wondering if the box wasn't there would that be

00:28:15.420 no i want to okay so i say hi i just wanted to confirm um this is the the the king and he goes

00:28:28.880 yes you're in it you're in a king and i go oh okay i'm wondering because the last time i was there

00:28:35.760 um i was you know frankly the room was bigger or whatever yeah and i was like could you tell

00:28:43.400 me what room i was in last time he and he looks up instantly he goes yeah you were in the queen

00:28:46.740 loft and i and and that's you know a bigger room and i go oh huh no no no okay and then i kind of

00:28:54.080 did you go but why is it bigger if i just i mean in a hard game exactly i just meekishly was like

00:29:00.460 oh okay the room's great you know so and so then we're there the electrical closet box

00:29:05.560 did i take a picture it'd be kind of shocking if i didn't i warned you i think we're warning

00:29:10.500 about what the electrical closet you're going i think i'm gonna book a king right and i would

00:29:15.620 have been like i might have been able to warn you never leave the house without matches if you want

00:29:19.380 to keep romance alive in your relationship oh yeah you mean so you can leave the house

00:29:23.500 when you're sharing no so you can uh use the facilities in the shared restroom at the hotel 0.60

00:29:30.340 when you're staying in a hotel with a lover disgusting so i go in there it smells like a

00:29:34.800 match and i'm instantly brought to to i instantly know like the sense of a burnt match to me is 0.82

00:29:42.460 basically equivalent to the scent of fecal matter disagree it's almost worse you know why disagree

00:29:48.700 it's almost worse you know why because then you're can you're you're proudly okay inhaling

00:29:54.800 match smell knowing that you're almost being tricked into having a more free breath okay

00:30:00.200 versus it kind of being gross in there

00:30:02.560 and you kind of just breathing like an inch at a time.

00:30:05.880 No, I can't tolerate that.

00:30:07.180 You're already deeply inhaling the mattress.

00:30:09.240 Yes.

00:30:10.500 Well, I'm not doing that.

00:30:11.920 It's just like, all I want to say is I've...

00:30:14.340 The mattress equals...

00:30:15.380 I've never smelled anything bad in the bathroom,

00:30:18.600 and that's from this.

00:30:20.740 Okay.

00:30:21.480 Oh.

00:30:22.160 But wait, but Jacqueline,

00:30:23.480 just to, but just the love though really quick.

00:30:25.660 So I, the electrical closet,

00:30:28.100 And then I said to Naomi, completely genuinely, just like, I was like, I said, it's been a tough Ludlow.

00:30:34.360 Or it was like in the middle of a sentence.

00:30:35.660 It was like, this, this, this, that, like, it'll be good to go there because, you know, it's been a tough Ludlow.

00:30:39.920 And they, of course, like, laughed and it was, I felt very seen.

00:30:43.900 And then, and I told them, like, that they had a tough Ludlow.

00:30:46.920 It's also a narrative.

00:30:48.100 It's a narrative.

00:30:49.560 It's you, it's you.

00:30:50.780 Makes some pains.

00:30:51.960 Assigning a value.

00:30:52.840 so i go into the room and i and i do i name the hotel so it's a lodge it's a it's a it's a longer

00:31:02.820 river business will only unless there's issues with the hotel otherwise but but like paranormal

00:31:07.480 business will be booming so you might as well okay so it's called the riverside lodge

00:31:11.520 and i sounds about right it's kind of it's kind of one of those things where

00:31:16.520 it's sort of a converted motel i didn't look up how old it was i should now but where the

00:31:21.720 the rooms are kind of updated so i get and it's big like it's a huge property they're like okay

00:31:26.060 there's this building there's this building there's that building like whoa so i go into my

00:31:29.680 room and i just opened the door and i was like hmm and so it's one of those things where there's

00:31:34.920 a living room with doors open onto the a river truly it's a beautiful river and then there's a

00:31:40.900 bedroom and then there are a couple steps up to the bathroom area is the bathroom by the door

00:31:46.660 sorry i know this is really specific the bathroom is by the right so you enter on a landing kind of

00:31:50.940 and then descend two steps into the living room you're unbelievable it's like you're there that's

00:31:55.040 crazy okay yes so and you know it has a microwave it has a little fridge whatever big living room

00:32:01.520 i'm packing my groceries and stuff um new me new life i literally go to the gym there which is um

00:32:09.160 beautiful gym by the way really yeah and so then i go back to my room that night i have off i'm and

00:32:16.260 i'm tired i'm quite tired so i fall asleep 10 o'clock 10 30 i'm at like a light okay and then

00:32:23.840 oh okay key detail so when i'm turning off the lights to the room whatever getting into bed

00:32:28.920 i notice as we've established the step up to the bathroom entrance area and i thought like oh wow

00:32:36.540 that's because i as we know i tragically pee in the night and i was like that's a hazard and then

00:32:41.560 i see oh there's a motion detector light right there at ankle height up on the step on the step

00:32:49.300 at ankle height okay i can tell that this is going to be highly relevant and i think i know why

00:32:53.180 so there's a motion light at ankle height on the step i go okay that's smart because you know

00:32:59.080 so you don't trip and die okay so i pass out cold i wake up my eyes do the thing which is i'm sorry

00:33:09.860 to say it it's what happened the last two times when i had a kind of sighting let's say where my

00:33:15.280 eyes just open like there's no there's no it's like there's no coming to there's no dream if

00:33:22.140 just there's no sound just like completely boom so my eyes open boom and here's what and here's

00:33:30.200 what's strange i say out loud and this is what wakes me up so weird he's god fearing with an

00:33:39.320 apostrophe right he's god fearing with a hard g i go i wake myself up saying he's god fearing

00:33:44.500 with the with the like so the even though but you don't remember or feel like there was a dream

00:33:52.120 no dream attached whatsoever so so it's almost like you know there's nothingness right i just

00:33:57.520 you're nowhere and then suddenly you are eyes waking up cleanly going he's god fearing yep

00:34:05.020 you know truly okay and it was like very words were in my mouth and they were waking me up and 0.89

00:34:10.920 i because because there was no dream attached i was like what the fuck and i wake up he's god

00:34:16.400 fearing the sound of it wakes me up i wake up and i'm just kind of staring and then boom within 0.68

00:34:23.500 five seconds the motion light goes off and i'm flooded with fear i'm like no let's say i just

00:34:29.720 make sure everyone's got the physics because you're on a bed and you're not rustling blankets

00:34:35.560 that are hanging over onto the floor no and to be clear the motion light is in the other room

00:34:40.380 so let's just say i were waving my arms you're in the bedroom would not set it off i'm in the

00:34:44.120 i'm in a whole different room but from my from where i'm sitting i can see that the open door

00:34:49.520 where there's the steps i and i can't see the motion light itself i mean i see the light go

00:34:53.640 off the sensor itself i don't even see but just it's like within seconds i wake up i'm in the 0.84

00:34:59.240 dark and then boom the motion light goes off and i'm like fuck and i'm completely wide awake and 0.98

00:35:04.960 i'm scared and i'm like are you kidding me i look over it is 2 55 a.m of course and i'm like shit 0.97

00:35:13.260 and i'm like i'm awake now this is scary this is scary this makes no sense why would that be going 0.81

00:35:20.340 off and i'm like there's no one i can call i'm alone i text you to be like and i was like i'm

00:35:28.320 scared i mean we can look back and see the text but i i was scared oh i text oh was this oh right

00:35:34.120 i i remember i think yeah oh no the next day well i remember okay but i texted in that moment knowing

00:35:40.920 that no one would answer because it's the dead of night but i was so scared and then by the way one

00:35:45.220 of the ways i calmed myself down was like oh it's just a poog episode this is just for poog yes yes

00:35:49.120 you're just gonna talk about some poog you're gonna be fine that's beautiful i thank god by 0.84

00:35:52.760 the grace of god because i text naomi i'm scared i'm like well they're dead asleep they happen to 1.00

00:35:57.140 be awake they happen to be awake because they fell asleep on the couch and we're transferring

00:36:00.220 to the bedroom so thank god so i talked to them for a few minutes i'm scared i'm like all right

00:36:06.100 all right i'm gonna go back to bed like uh i have to go to sleep so somehow oh no not somehow i

00:36:13.520 down a agent nature magnesium no it's not magnesium it's the sleep keep forgetting but

00:36:20.580 Maybe there's my needs in there, but it's the tart cherry packets, which I want more of.

00:36:25.320 And I need to buy more because they're unbelievable.

00:36:28.180 I'd really like to get into that.

00:36:30.500 They're amazing.

00:36:31.380 I down that.

00:36:32.920 I fall asleep.

00:36:35.160 So then, and I am not a nightmare person.

00:36:38.540 I really don't get nightmares. 0.82

00:36:40.140 I proceed to have nightmares all fucking night and I'm waking up from them, gasping some of them.

00:36:47.440 and so the next one that i have is lucid i haven't had a lucid dream in a second so i have i'm having 0.65

00:36:55.320 a lucid dream that i'm in the bedroom where i am right i'm looking into the hall where the light

00:37:00.500 was i have a little bouncy ball like a rubber ball and i'm bouncing it into the hallway and 0.96

00:37:07.140 in the dream i'm like fuck you are you there like trying to like talk to whatever is i was like are 0.99

00:37:12.600 you coming out like i'm aggressive i'm like fine are you there like come on show yourself bitch 0.99

00:37:17.260 I bounce it bounce it it bounces back as if like thrown from the other room exactly like like 0.97

00:37:23.220 whoever whoever whatever is in the hall bounces it back and that's really scary in the dream and

00:37:28.320 it and it wakes me up and I go and I do one of those and I wake up and then I'm like chills on

00:37:33.640 my body I feel scared like I just feel this really and I feel creepy I feel like I just don't feel

00:37:42.620 good. And I'm like, okay, cool. Now I'm awake again. And I'm truly just like praying for morning.

00:37:49.820 I'm like, please let morning come. So then, and this is where it sounds a little, but so after

00:37:55.100 the ball gets bounced back and I'm really scared, I'm awake. I'm like, Oh, I close my eyes and I

00:38:00.220 proceed to cease. And I, I see something, which I've seen. This is something that I have from

00:38:05.140 time to time where, and I'm really curious if other listeners have this. The only other person

00:38:10.520 i've heard described this to me is my father who i once described doing this years and years ago

00:38:15.580 and he was like oh yeah my dad who has zero interest or belief in ghosts or anything even

00:38:20.400 remotely paranormal or anything i was like yeah sometimes when i close my eyes i can see in like

00:38:27.180 complete unbelievable photographic detail and it's like a black and white negative it looks like that

00:38:32.160 faces things like and the detail is profound it's like i'm just looking staring at a photograph

00:38:37.340 you're like army it's like oh yeah it feels like your eyes are open behind your lids kind of

00:38:40.820 feeling yeah exactly yeah and my dad my dad described that people to him faces oh yeah

00:38:46.320 in extreme detail and i once described that to him i think i was like 16 and he was like oh yeah

00:38:50.560 i get that sometimes and he was like i called that the funnies no he's like oh yeah i always

00:38:56.040 call that the funnies i was like what excuse me okay so because like they're kind of like the

00:39:01.220 comic strips i guess yeah like black and white yeah i guess so which is really compelling we

00:39:07.580 never talked about it again but so he's good okay so i so the ball bounces back i wake up in terror 0.95

00:39:13.180 i'm like what the fuck what the fuck and then i close my eyes and i see in complete detail 0.97

00:39:17.500 a man's face he's like older i've never seen him for older wrinkly face and then i see 0.99

00:39:24.560 next to him a middle-aged woman smiling she's not scary neither of them seem scary actually 0.95

00:39:31.200 i'm just like looking at them and then i see if i may a fucking ghoulish scary skeletal 0.80

00:39:40.320 yeah figure and i was like oh still with the eyes closed in pure detail okay yeah and where 0.81

00:39:47.340 is the figure are the others gone or is it joined the the couple the the skeleton one

00:39:54.540 because you would describe the man it's like a succession yeah i see the man oh then the woman

00:39:59.960 then the woman yeah i'm kind of aware that they're together okay and that's what it seemed like okay

00:40:04.800 yeah and then i see the ghoul skeleton like like it was brief it was just but it was like 0.99

00:40:10.940 like a fucking goddamn ghoul like i don't know how to describe it was it was a scary looking 0.98

00:40:16.560 face face humanoid obviously somewhat yeah but more more like i don't know just like a common 1.00

00:40:25.420 illustration like yeah yeah like the kind that i would hang up front on halloween like completely 0.82

00:40:30.820 like a very familiar archetypal that okay and i'm like okay fuck what and how long if is it brief 0.56

00:40:39.800 is it seconds it's like one it's like each face is maybe like five seconds now why now here and 0.90

00:40:47.220 enough to zero in yeah i don't mean right to go i don't mean why like questioning what you do

00:40:55.180 this is more to investigate what's happening yeah why in that moment the second that you see the

00:41:01.560 skeleton and i mean like the half second that you first see it right why do you stay with it for two

00:41:06.760 seconds versus pop open screen whatever so exactly so interesting because it's so fascinating like

00:41:13.660 yeah because it's so fascinating i can see it right and i'm like lucid and what it is is like

00:41:17.460 in my mind i'm going like this oh my god like i'm like are you kidding and i'm looking and i'm just

00:41:26.480 like my it feels like my eyes are wide here's so bizarre it feels like my eyes are wide awake like

00:41:31.960 i'm opening them like straining them open like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa right and so i see that

00:41:38.400 and then and in those moments i have to say i don't feel scared necessarily it's more just like

00:41:45.940 fascinated it's not the scared feeling i get when i like when the light went when i was looking at

00:41:51.940 the hallway it's like a different feeling so then somehow i'm like fall asleep again and i proceed

00:41:58.940 to have nightmares and i and which again very unusual for me and i'm waking up throughout the

00:42:08.180 night and i'm fucking praying for goddamn morning are the nightmares um are any of them they're 0.51

00:42:16.040 partially lucid but they have nothing to do you know it's kind of more classic like i'm at my 0.96

00:42:20.360 parents house i'm downstairs i hear voices outside i'm scared yeah i go to open the door

00:42:24.140 and i'm to investigate but then i'm too scared i open it and then i see darkness of night and

00:42:29.260 i'm like terrified it's just like nothing and then what else i mean kind of like they won't

00:42:34.740 sound interesting but they're scary to me and so then okay so so i mean that that that's it so to

00:42:42.000 speak but then the next thing that happened which is just completely coincidental but was terrifying

00:42:46.840 is i at one point i think i smell cigarette smoke and i'm like oh also a key detail is the hotel is

00:42:54.180 silent it's not the thing where i can hear footsteps above next door and that contributes

00:42:58.920 to being scared because it's just like there's it feels like i'm alone like feels like there's no

00:43:02.720 it's not like if you're in a high rise well um like did it seem like there are people there

00:43:08.740 a lot of people there yeah but i just kind of in the night i was like it's so silent i mean you're

00:43:14.280 just hearing nothing so then and then i think at one point i smell cigarette smoke and i'm like

00:43:19.140 well that's really weird and not like you've suddenly become aware of like oh this must have

00:43:24.220 been a smoking room once no more like a prominent smell yeah yeah but that will come become clear

00:43:30.240 soon i think so okay okay so then but then so after all of this again claire old factor it's

00:43:37.760 like it's like i forget what it is but there's a nose one like claire knows i know well i i was

00:43:42.400 like what is that but then sorry go on so then i after this horrible night i'm awoken at 5 30 a.m

00:43:49.040 to the most to the loudest scariest bang my eyes open and i go i'm like are you kidding me could

00:43:55.980 this get any and i and my first thought is like oh the world's ending like or i was like that

00:44:02.240 terrifying thing of like is that natural disaster is that a bolt of lightning that's striking the

00:44:06.600 hotel what is that turns out so that so then i that i look at the clock it's 5 30 a.m i'm like

00:44:12.960 okay well at least like coming coming soon i proceed to fall asleep and wake up at 10 30 a.m

00:44:21.640 so i slept in which i which i attribute to the agent nothing and fell back asleep fell back

00:44:27.400 asleep and then you didn't investigate what was that bang no okay nope 5 30 10 30 i'm out like a

00:44:32.680 light and again i attribute that to the agent not to pack it um i wake up i go outside forest fire 0.65

00:44:41.300 level smoke wildfire ptsd la like i'm like what the fuck no one everyone's like yeah there's a

00:44:48.260 hotel there's a there's a fire nearby like and it's so much so that i put on a mask i have a 0.51

00:44:54.160 mask i'm like i'm like uh guys fire active at that moment like when had the fire begun i'm sorry

00:44:59.340 but i have i'm not sure like in the earlier in the oh and guess what the bang i go to the front

00:45:03.360 desk i go hi i heard anyone here they go oh yeah it was a meth lab exploding nearby and then of

00:45:11.060 course i look up and if you look at like bend oregon explosion you can see people's ring cameras

00:45:15.560 and stuff like house is shaking like a huge explosion so i was like okay yeah and a fire

00:45:20.760 that was separate and a fire that night yeah so like creepy stuff and i'm going i'd like to leave

00:45:26.780 this town and i'd like to leave this town fast so i immediately by the way i start um i'm supposed

00:45:35.920 to leave the next day at like four i get i changed my flight to 7 a.m because i'm by the way the

00:45:40.580 whole day i'm feeling that night i have a show the whole day i'm feeling this and you could say oh

00:45:46.040 well it's from the night i just feel eerie i feel this buzzy energy here's what it feels like it

00:45:51.160 feels like i had way way way too much caffeine but i hadn't i had one coffee like i feel this buzzing

00:45:56.560 eerie induced like thing i don't like it and i'm filming i'm like i want to go so i ended up

00:46:07.440 switching rooms which i thought because i was already like i don't want to sleep in that room

00:46:11.260 again oh you changed um you changed it for the following day just an earlier flight okay two

00:46:16.460 nights total okay so now it's the day that i have my show oh right right okay and i noticed

00:46:24.560 that morning the bedroom window wouldn't fully close and that's why i was getting the smoke smell

00:46:28.600 right like so i go hey my door my window won't fully close and i go you know what can i just

00:46:34.480 switch rooms. Cause I'm like, just do it, Kate. I don't need to be in there. Oh, by the way,

00:46:39.240 you know what I think we should do on air right now. Maybe I should call and ask if they've ever

00:46:42.440 had paranormal stuff. Yeah. Okay. But listen, I wanted to ask, but I was too scared. So I switch

00:46:49.560 rooms. I go, thank you. Cause you know, you have another night there. Yes. I go. And that day I was

00:46:54.640 like, how am I going to go to sleep in that room tonight? I'm going to be too scared. They go,

00:46:59.400 yeah, we can switch rooms. I'm so happy to leave that room. I can't tell you I'm packing so fast.

00:47:04.480 it does not feel on me i'm like get me the fuck out of here they moved me to a room it's in a

00:47:08.360 different building as well which is comically in the scary thing where it's as far as you can walk 0.70

00:47:13.740 we're basically up against the woods it's like this building and then the final room and that's

00:47:19.640 my room but i go in there the room is at the threshold yeah exactly identical layout except

00:47:27.180 the doorway to the darkness of the woods all right no but i was like but then i'm comforted

00:47:34.020 because there's so many cars in the driveway there that I'm like, okay, I'm surrounded by

00:47:37.900 people. Like, that's cool. And that day I had been in bed because I just felt weird. I just

00:47:44.140 was like, I want to just get through this day. It was just a weird feeling. And there was a

00:47:47.800 digital clock next to the bed, which I swear I had noticed before. It was normal. I get into my

00:47:52.660 room it's 10 p.m it is blinking digital 344 344 and i'm like why no isn't that fucking eerie 0.79

00:48:04.400 so you had been you got checked into your new room earlier is my point there's a chance that 0.87

00:48:09.300 you hadn't noticed that the clock had been blinking but i fucking swear to god it was 0.82

00:48:13.420 next to the bed and i was there all day yes you glance at a bed something's blinking your eye 0.97

00:48:17.560 goes to it yes your eye goes to it and i had been in that room all day i was in bed watching 0.86

00:48:22.360 fucking tv i was like i would have seen it and i get in there 344 blinking on the clock i'm like 0.91

00:48:30.600 fuck this i flip and by the way the clock i cannot unplug it it's like a thing where it's like 0.99

00:48:34.840 i don't know how to describe it it's like fed through this wired oak thing that i can't move 0.99

00:48:40.240 so you'd have to cut it with a knife exactly i flip the digital clock i'm like face down i down

00:48:45.880 another agent not to or maybe it was a klonopin i can't remember right and i was like i'm going

00:48:52.020 to bed. I can't remember. It sounds like it was a Klonopin. I was texting you. Oh, so this was

00:48:57.520 huge, obviously, for the group. Oh, wait, I want to say this. The previous night of the scary

00:49:01.940 haunting, I said out loud at some point, I do not want to communicate. I am closed to this.

00:49:09.660 I said something like that out loud. Like, nope, go away. Don't want to do it.

00:49:14.760 Well, the classic, and I think listeners would remember,

00:49:17.020 respectfully i do not wish to see you that was you in london remember oh my god oh yeah it's

00:49:24.580 very impressive okay go on go on so then i'm on the bed and i pray you're like archangel michael

00:49:31.180 i'm like all right so i'm like archangel michael by calling you like yeah so this was no no right

00:49:36.100 because this i just want to take it because when this was happening i was like this is special we

00:49:39.760 have to talk about this right because i feel like i was in bed or something or you know i don't know

00:49:45.760 like, cause I guess, I don't know what time it would have been for you. Who knows? Pointing

00:49:51.300 at it. Cause I'm eight hours later. How was I in bed? Like, well, who knows? But, but it felt like

00:49:55.260 night to me too, is the point. And you know, you're like, I'm scared, whatever. And I'm just

00:50:01.060 like, you know, you might have some gifts. We know this. I'm like, remember how, I was like,

00:50:06.880 remember how connected you were at camp to remember you were like connecting with the

00:50:10.980 christ light at eight oh yeah that wasn't camp honey that was on my knees praying the rosary

00:50:16.100 no i know i thought like i thought it was at a camp that you like didn't know was

00:50:20.300 like a religious camp or something oh yeah i did like accidentally go to a christian camp yeah yeah

00:50:24.480 but like so but but i was like quit in a pinch i'm just like yeah call call on michael okay

00:50:34.300 because i've heard others say this and people you know like whose books i read and it's so cool when

00:50:41.280 other people talk i think i was i don't know if i was talking about the stage or something like

00:50:45.120 you know forgive me okay but but like i was talking about someone and it could have been

00:50:50.400 here but i don't think it was but just like when people refer to the archangels like

00:50:54.100 like we'll just call him michael you're like michael like yeah yeah yeah you're like whoa right

00:51:01.160 and then I was like if I recall I was like what I've read Archangel Michael like has a sword

00:51:08.920 and is like of course they're they all have light and carry light and whatever but but

00:51:14.760 this protective sword whole kind of thing and just cutting through the darkness and

00:51:22.100 I don't know and then I was like and then oh and then I started googling looking for like

00:51:27.560 you know a strong sort of satisfying image of Michael to send to you and I'm looking and there's

00:51:33.840 always this thing like deviant art like back in the day like there's this very particular kind of

00:51:38.160 spiritual fantasy religious drawing that like comes up on the internet a lot and it's always

00:51:44.020 a little like too you know like the divine figures are a little too like sexy like it looks a little

00:51:49.960 bit too fanfic you know it's very specific so I'm like wading through those trying to find something

00:51:56.380 that feels a little more like classical or archetypal whatever anyway and then right then

00:52:02.100 like pops back at me one from you like you had also been searching yeah and like you had sent

00:52:07.600 me right like you had sent me that like one of the ones I was about to send you yeah you know

00:52:11.780 like I was like it was illustration you're like I'm yes you're like you're like I'm right you're

00:52:16.900 like I'm all right like the light will protect me oh and then I also told you the other thing

00:52:21.660 that i think i talked about in here but i'm not sure maybe not that my energy told me which was

00:52:27.900 close up you know your energy field bubble you know ask for support bubbling yourself up right

00:52:32.780 and then close up your energy field like you're in a little velvet jewelry bag that has the

00:52:36.680 tie ribbon at the top i love that pull it at the top you pull it tight i love that cinches tight 0.98

00:52:42.920 and your energy is i love that that's good contained that's good shit it's good the velvet 0.92

00:52:50.840 yeah yeah so i i i called upon michael it helped and then i'm like i take my pill 0.83

00:52:58.960 good night everyone i'm out um and then i had to wake up really early i had to wake up it was like 0.71

00:53:07.320 one of those things where i had to wake up at five and eyes awake but let's get the fuck out 0.75

00:53:13.640 of here i'm like grabbing my stuff it's like there's a great feeling when you just you're 0.80

00:53:18.860 going home. I was like, get me out. And then, and I'm sorry to say it, but I swear to God, guys,

00:53:27.480 it was like the second I started descending into LA, I just felt better. Like the energy,

00:53:32.400 that buzzy, weird anxiety was just gone.

Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - March 17, 2026

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