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00:02:39.120 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:40.660 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:41.720 And this is Poogh, an ongoing conversation about wellness

00:02:44.740 between two obsessive friends.

00:02:46.480 Two untamable intellects.

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00:02:53.600 Today's topic, loosely speaking, two of diamonds, iron, wedding dress.

00:03:04.120 Greetings.

00:03:05.380 Hi.

00:03:06.300 Doing a live, a live mascara just to perk myself up.

00:03:12.320 Oh my God.

00:03:13.180 Thank you all for your mascara recommendations, by the way.

00:03:16.140 Somebody mentioned mascara primer and I went,

00:03:18.720 oh that sounds smart well end of high school i remember maybe mac offered it it was like a thick

00:03:24.840 i remember a double-sided lancome that had primer yes yes sort of thickened them thickened them up

00:03:30.900 smoothed them up maybe that'll keep it from flaking off i don't know i wonder if you close

00:03:36.560 your eye and spritz with one of those makeup setters if that would have any effect any

00:03:44.060 meaningful effect. That's interesting. I've never used that. Yeah. No, I usually, I, I,

00:03:48.600 I've never really had like enough of a strong look where I'm like, I have to preserve this

00:03:53.820 like all night long. Totally. So the mascara recommendations are in and I'm going to start

00:04:00.740 trying ostensibly going to start trying to find my brand. Oh, this is a new product I'm just

00:04:04.700 putting on. This is a new, I ordered online. Um, wow. If I could read it, it'd be great.

00:04:10.120 you know squirt no i'm truly becoming an ilia ambassador i love ilia express an east okay

00:04:17.000 wait what is that again ilia is it's green makeup right the skin serum a few people wrote in what

00:04:24.200 were you talking about i'm talking about the tinted skin serum they have a new face you know

00:04:28.940 spf that's the one you're interested in with squalane and zinc they have a new product i want

00:04:33.680 to try but i okay that sounds that sounds exactly like the ingredients i'm interested exactly and

00:04:37.940 I've been using it as a foundation. I don't, I, I boldly bought Armani luminous silk the other day

00:04:43.640 cause I was like, I need to, you know, cause I never wear a true foundation. And I thought maybe

00:04:47.520 it's time. I know. I wonder if it'll ever be time for me or foundationless through death.

00:04:54.020 You know what I mean? Oh, completely. Cause last night I was going to go to a party. Well,

00:04:58.080 I did go in fact, and I thought maybe tonight's a luminous silk moment, you know? And then I ended

00:05:03.220 up just going back to the ilia i heard about you being at a party actually from rachel acquaintance

00:05:08.940 yeah yeah i was like i won't say who you know you can't call out where people are protection yeah

00:05:13.840 yeah yeah but oh i want to say something i mean with the mineral because this is that how do you

00:05:21.280 say it sigh oh you bought some sigh the slip tint no recollection of doing i thought did you

00:05:29.100 recommend this and then i ran in there oh yeah broad spectrum spf 35 i'm curious about psi i

00:05:34.520 believe ilia's is like spf 40 oh what did i just say 35 yeah i said i know it always sounds um

00:05:40.180 weak maybe it's even 50 and then you know they loved but they love to say something like

00:05:44.300 you know anything over i forget what number it is there's a number over which it's irrelevant

00:05:48.000 yeah it's purely symbolic yeah this i wanted to talk to you about this because it felt

00:05:53.120 i can't quite wrap my mind around it but i think that you are the person perhaps the only person

00:05:58.560 who'll be able to illuminate this for me.

00:06:00.200 Oh my God.

00:06:01.100 What an honor.

00:06:01.700 Why do I have such a strong reaction to magic tricks,

00:06:04.840 to close-up magic?

00:06:05.980 So, okay.

00:06:06.480 You mean negatively?

00:06:07.220 Yes.

00:06:07.660 So I was at a...

00:06:09.240 Yeah.

00:06:10.060 I have something to say.

00:06:11.360 So I was at a dinner party a few weeks ago.

00:06:14.460 It was like a fancy event

00:06:15.520 and they had hired a close-up magician to come around and...

00:06:19.520 No.

00:06:20.020 And he wasn't a friend of the host?

00:06:22.200 No, no, no, no.

00:06:22.760 He was a hired hand.

00:06:25.140 And...

00:06:25.380 Wow.

00:06:25.780 He comes around, he starts doing it.

00:06:26.960 by the way, completely impressive. I was like, wow, that spoon really is gone, you know, or he

00:06:31.660 was, he was doing it, you know, coming back. What did he do? I mean, you know, give me this.

00:06:36.420 That spoon really is gone. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Hey, give me your ring. Oh, now it's behind your

00:06:40.240 ear. Oh, what now? Check your back pocket. Like literally behind the ear. Did he do behind the

00:06:43.860 ear? He didn't do behind the ear, but there was a thing of like, give me that. And then you give

00:06:47.560 it to him. And then he's like, puts it in his hand and then it's like, wait, what's in my back

00:06:52.840 pocket and pulls it out. And it's like, the ring is now on his key chain, you know? So here's the

00:06:56.580 stolen your items yeah here's the thing and i want to say i have respect for showmanship for

00:07:02.120 entertainers i love a showman you know i love showbiz like i that's great yeah give me a show

00:07:08.080 you know your people are clapping they're excited that's great but yeah it's not creative magic is

00:07:12.940 fundamentally not creative right if you put in the hours you'll learn the trick right so there's

00:07:16.600 this well i i i have more i i don't think that is okay a complete sum up oh no i'm gonna hurt

00:07:21.680 people with this i don't necessarily think that's true yeah well yeah but but i think i'll open your

00:07:26.100 your mind and by the way i'm speaking hyperbolically last night i had one cocktail

00:07:28.860 and i was screaming at this party to anyone who would listen about how magic's pathetic 0.98

00:07:32.060 it's not creative it's anti-intellectual at the party where the magician was yeah 0.99

00:07:35.120 yes not within ear range of him but yes i was just being a bitch i was being cocky again i 0.96

00:07:42.700 had one with his gifts you might just have a little speaker hidden in your pocket well i said 0.97

00:07:47.440 i was like you can't assume he didn't sneak something i want magic i believe in well okay

00:07:52.340 you speak hyperbolically but i'm going to respond to every element of this i was speaking hyperbolically

00:07:57.560 i was having fun and i was saying how you know it's it's you put in the hours there's this thing

00:08:02.060 about he knows that we know it's fake we know that he knows that we know it's fake everyone

00:08:05.980 knows that this isn't actual magic so something about the where's the magic yeah so there actually

00:08:10.060 is no magic it's exciting and fun and it's like a it's a visual trick and it does produce real awe

00:08:15.420 and it feels really exciting okay now as i'm talking about i'm undoing my own feelings about

00:08:19.120 it and i and how dare i no well there's something that's why is it why is there something about it

00:08:23.360 that feels it's godless yeah well well shall i godless right is that what you said yeah oh or

00:08:31.620 something well i think you're raising a question of you know art artifice yeah metaphysics okay

00:08:40.780 all right here's what i'm gonna say here's what i'm gonna say okay and i'm embarrassed because

00:08:46.180 i think i've said this in the past okay i'm about to bring up the prestige again nolan rises again

00:08:52.300 in the hallowed halls of poog christopher nolan okay so the prestige is about magicians in i don't

00:09:01.060 know the early 1900s i think maybe even late 1800s no early 1900s and um it's about two dueling

00:09:09.140 you know warring magicians more or less trying to outdo each other and it's so competitive that

00:09:15.580 it gets to a point where they're actually essentially trying to do real magic you know

00:09:20.040 what I mean to outdo the other one I'm I'm free framing it that way as to offer no spoilers

00:09:25.840 literally so however there is this fabulous thing that Michael Michael Cain yep

00:09:33.880 Michael Cain which oddly was the name I couldn't remember the other night also

00:09:40.620 i think it's michael kane describes the three i'm so sorry describes describes the three

00:09:47.800 elements of a magic trick okay and i always love when that sort of thing happens in a movie where

00:09:51.960 i feel like that's in a trailer you're getting in on something i'm sure it is okay and they're like

00:09:56.880 and they describe it and and this thing happens where that's the best when you you feel like

00:10:01.200 you're learning something about an industry that you've never heard but that rings true yeah and

00:10:04.980 they're like and you're like oh my god and they describe it as like they're like one you know

00:10:09.060 like one that the you know the disappearance you know two or like you know whatever this isn't it

00:10:15.580 but the first two make sense and sound really whatever they're like one the appearance two

00:10:19.180 the disappearance three they're like because they're like they're like it's not when the

00:10:22.460 rabbit disappears that the magic has happened it's when the rabbit returns okay right and that

00:10:27.220 we call the prestige oh okay now exactly okay now i was like oh because it doesn't sound

00:10:35.680 it sounds almost real because it sounds like the way jargon doesn't sound natural like what the

00:10:42.140 prestige like it's a the prestige to refer to a single moment in a thing is a weird thing

00:10:46.760 and so you're like yeah this is exactly the kind of like catnip for me right that i'm in and then

00:10:51.120 i'm like i'm gonna read six books like from the early 1900s about like magic and i'm gonna like

00:10:55.180 i'm gonna spew this at cocktail parties despite never having been to one yeah okay so anyway and

00:11:01.880 then and then later I learned made up oh I love and by the way that's magic there it is okay that's

00:11:10.120 amazing okay so so totally made up and I go yes okay give me build your build your mythologies

00:11:15.660 convince me let me go on a journey so however there's a point in here and this I believe I've

00:11:20.220 spoken about on poog okay but later there's a point where the guy's magic trick is is too good

00:11:26.620 essentially okay where it's so insane and and the the guy who's teaching him or whatever the guy

00:11:34.180 who's he's saying we need to chintz it up a bit essentially okay because right now it almost seems

00:11:40.740 like there's no artifice and it's actually just disturbing to the people like there so we talked

00:11:47.560 about this in the context of when it's too real it's a problem right like you're taken out of a

00:11:52.160 movie uh when the blood is obviously fake and you're taking out a movie it's why vr you think

00:11:57.940 someone died on film vr is actually the absence of entertainment right exactly or the absence of

00:12:03.060 experiencing something right because like yeah and you and me know you and me are just like 0.96

00:12:08.240 reminds me of you know you're leaning over and saying homo habilis had aesthetic sense okay

00:12:13.420 during verner herzog's uh you know lizard cave forgotten dreams yeah i gotta rewatch that i 0.87

00:12:19.040 gotta watch the there's a herzog film about an asteroid that i've been dying to watch for 14 000

00:12:25.100 years are you dying to watch it because you haven't watched it what right you and me like

00:12:30.240 having things we've discussed and agreed upon in the past like so like you and me be like knowing

00:12:35.180 knowingly leaning over and being like well obviously vr is uh quite the very opposite of

00:12:39.520 experiencing something intensely we have agreed upon like philosophies you know what i mean like

00:12:44.420 We've covered and argued them before.

00:12:45.740 We know we can let others say the opposite.

00:12:48.840 We can roll our eyes at each other.

00:12:49.940 What a glorious thing to have in a friendship.

00:12:51.860 Glorious.

00:12:52.920 To be able to look over and roll our eyes.

00:12:54.380 It's heaven.

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00:12:58.160 and I was thinking about how much I would kill to be snorkeling with you.

00:13:04.160 Can't even tell you how much I was thinking about sea bobs just the other night.

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00:13:12.880 Yeah.

00:13:13.320 I'm very interested okay great so the question of magic and by the way I want to say I'm already

00:13:20.880 kind of changing my tune I think I also was having a strong reaction to the men performing the magic

00:13:25.040 well because guess what oh my god that's what it is there is no magic in a man that and also

00:13:31.640 there's no they weren't give me a show the show can't just be what's happening in your hands

00:13:38.040 and it falls into this very familiar language which is part of why magic is so comforting right

00:13:42.220 here it is oh no it's not gonna be that all right like the musicality of it my eyes cross i go numb

00:13:47.200 it there's no individual there i think that's what it is there's no i would imagine because

00:13:53.060 i don't know the world of magic but of course there are magicians who have incredible style

00:13:57.020 and their tricks are so their own that the tradesmen but versus the artist and this

00:14:04.300 happens in all mediums yeah i'm like well where are you sir yeah you're like where's johnny or

00:14:10.960 whatever what's your spin on it's like to me at this point whatever card magic yeah close magic

00:14:17.380 whatever the fuck but specifically the cards cards i just it's like after we've seen after we've seen

00:14:23.260 one million magic tricks in which a card is unexpectedly produced or something that seemed 0.94

00:14:28.740 impossible they were able to do it's almost like we know they know how to like i'm not gonna i'm

00:14:33.780 not dazzled by a card trick like in order to be dazzled by a card trick like yeah like a piece of

00:14:38.560 human flesh would have to emerge from the center of it. You know, like, like if the card trick

00:14:42.620 literally ends with, and it was the two of diamonds, what are we, what are we even doing?

00:14:48.080 Oh yeah, absolutely. Unless there's a page of my diary suddenly appearing in the deck of cards.

00:14:52.880 It's nothing. Now, have you seen Justin Willman? Because honestly, he's doing some interesting

00:15:00.120 work. Very interesting work. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I have, I know exactly what you're talking

00:15:04.320 about nice guy doing some stunning things where he pulls like a but but but here's the thing here's

00:15:10.500 the thing because to me there's always been a kind of close correlation between you know the

00:15:16.820 pursuit of stand-up which is utterly crass okay utterly crass utterly tradesman utterly get it

00:15:21.780 done you know it's it's the same it's like if the magician like you better get we better hear oohs

00:15:25.420 and ahs right like i'm a self-hating magician i'm realizing it's like you're right there's a

00:15:30.700 connection yes it's the manager in the back or the person who hired for the party saying i'm not

00:15:35.600 hearing oohs and ahs yeah okay i'm not hearing laughs go over by the taco stand get them as

00:15:40.800 they're coming off the taco stand yeah and get it done now of course i want to know you know and

00:15:45.340 this is also the fantasy of being the ideal consumer of the product where you get it and

00:15:49.360 the others don't where you roll over to the taco stand and go look i enjoyed the card tricks over 0.95

00:15:53.420 there and so did the other assholes here tell me what you're working on in there yeah show me 0.93

00:15:57.900 were gonna it's not ready they say okay it's not ready i don't care okay now actually i'd respect 0.94

00:16:04.100 that if magic trick isn't ready they they kind of well and here here's what i'd say is there any

00:16:08.500 element like don't show it to me if it's going to reveal the secrets but if there's any element

00:16:12.500 that will have a hint of the way that you're going to dazzle me let me see it or whatever

00:16:16.220 i agree the point is there's an artist there are artists right who are trying to find their way and

00:16:21.360 i think there are avant-garde magicians who i mean it's it's the classic thing master the form

00:16:28.040 in order to subvert it break it apart folks yeah yeah completely you know i also would be irritated

00:16:35.500 by sort of the avant-garde magician who couldn't you know couldn't pull you to a diamonds and and

00:16:42.780 and also wasn't stunning you in this other way it's like anti-comedy like it's like anti-magic

00:16:49.640 you know this is i hate to i cannot speak of comedy as hell no no i know you're not you're

00:16:53.980 not speaking of comedy you know because it also feels sleazy and it feels like a pickup particularly

00:16:57.900 at a bar i always hate it when like this guy like a sort of sharply dressed man suddenly says like

00:17:02.560 you have a dollar you have a dollar like why can i see it for a second you know and then you're

00:17:07.780 like oh jesus i'm talking to a magician and he's been selling me for the last five minutes do you

00:17:11.660 remember did it ever happen to you you have great hair no what is that scam that street scam that

00:17:17.820 park scam it's this it's where they sell you these salon deals this is this major actually

00:17:24.280 i can't believe we've never discussed it wait i think someone once wait wait remind me i think

00:17:27.960 someone once said this to me it feels familiar go wait wait wait wait someone sort of befriends you

00:17:33.960 casually what happened on college campuses this totally happened to me in washington square park

00:17:38.020 it happened in new york that's exactly okay where well no i was picturing union square okay that but

00:17:44.080 Yes. Okay. They roll up, they start a conversation, like they're just friendly, whatever. Like they distinctly try to, you know, buddy up as though the moment that they reveal they're a salesman, you're going to, the buddying up that worked before is that you're going to think is like, as though that's going to work. You know what I mean? Like as though you're not going to immediately go. So what you just did was disgusting and deceiving me. So they eventually get around to you have amazing hair. Right. Okay. Which is an odd sort of thing, the way they were saying it, you know?

00:18:14.080 it just was like what and then well I actually happened to um I'm a partner of this with this

00:18:19.960 salon and they're actually there's an insane deal that I am privileged to be able to offer

00:18:25.580 certain people because you know we want to get cool girls like you oh no in our place or whatever

00:18:31.300 and then they're like so it's a haircut a deep condition you know and then two other things and 0.92

00:18:37.500 they're like and it's only whatever the fuck I don't remember okay you know a deal of some kind

00:18:42.920 and we just need your credit card right now okay and and by the way it's not even well i'm sure 0.81

00:18:48.360 some are it's not even a scam okay i think i did it once like in college like i was like let's go

00:18:52.440 get the service it wasn't like stealing your credit card information it's just a deal it's

00:18:55.460 just a bizarre salon thing that was huge and it's probably still going very weird that's a memory i

00:19:03.560 had very deeply but i do remember not being approached on a bench in washington square

00:19:07.400 park about i remember a guy went so far as to buy a on a college campus buy a ticket to the show i

00:19:13.300 was in you know like in the quad selling tickets behind a folding table kind of thing like and he

00:19:18.900 went so far as to like inquire about it and decide to purchase a ticket for saturday night yeah all

00:19:24.880 in order to then reveal he was trying to sell me a package that's like next level wow he's willing

00:19:32.540 to buy the $5 ticket to hopefully make the...

00:19:35.720 Right, right.

00:19:39.000 Meeting people on the streets,

00:19:40.400 it ain't what it used to be.

00:19:42.800 Have you ever had a successful sort of meet on the street

00:19:46.020 and that person become a person in your life?

00:19:49.420 I want to say yes, but I don't think I can.

00:19:53.520 No, I don't think there's anyone I met on the street

00:19:55.140 that fully came in deep.

00:19:56.940 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:20:05.320 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:20:10.520 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:20:14.540 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:20:15.880 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:20:19.520 So no, I am not your guru.

00:20:23.280 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:20:25.580 I lied to police. I lied to everybody.

00:20:28.240 There were years, writer, where I could not say your name.

00:20:31.160 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:20:33.820 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:20:36.640 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:20:40.000 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:20:42.920 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:20:44.580 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:20:47.520 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:20:50.560 Boom, boom. 0.97

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00:23:35.620 I'm sorry to the listener and to you for dragging today. I've been, um, I'm, I'm overworked.

00:23:41.860 I'm dragging as well. Um, I am stunned by my own appearance. Okay. I don't know what's happened.

00:23:51.060 I need, I need to drink a coffee, take a bath and I don't, I don't even know what, but I,

00:23:57.980 wow. Huge worm inside. Everything's fine. It's cute though. It's like the sweetest inchworm.

00:24:04.860 God, it's on a flower arrangement. It's very sweet. I once saw an inchworm. I think it was

00:24:09.500 inchworm as a child. It was neon green and it had an absolute smile, a line drawing smile.

00:24:15.460 I looked at it up close

00:24:17.200 Two eyes and a line drawing smile

00:24:19.980 On a little green guy

00:24:21.620 So cute

00:24:23.420 It's so cute I could cry

00:24:26.280 Wow are you still going to send it outside?

00:24:29.640 I mean you'll have to

00:24:30.340 Set it free

00:24:31.220 Yeah

00:24:32.740 I mean do I let it just crawl wildly on the

00:24:36.500 On the flower arrangement?

00:24:37.460 Like let it live in the flower arrangement for a few days?

00:24:40.580 Yeah let it have a little fun?

00:24:42.360 Yeah

00:24:42.600 right yeah you could put a moat you could put a dish of water around it a moat so that it

00:24:48.260 it won't try to venture away into your cupboards yeah i guess i better just take it outside

00:24:54.460 okay so i wanted to say something about cosmetics which is that

00:24:58.580 i got a actual i got a phone call i got a voicemail

00:25:02.680 from a real woman alerting me to a sale at blue mercury

00:25:07.940 this reminds me of that banking call you got listen to this i think is it i don't know if

00:25:14.140 it's worth okay is it worth to play is it worth playing playing i'll give you a little taste i

00:25:20.040 could not believe it oh playing yeah absolutely i thought you meant playing the game with this lady

00:25:23.480 getting involved all right hi kate this is calling from blue mercury at large mont

00:25:28.900 and i'm calling to let you know um june 2nd through june 8th we're having a summer sale event

00:25:35.840 where you can save from 10% to 20% off

00:25:38.260 depending on how much you spend.

00:25:40.580 So it's a huge range of information.

00:25:42.780 She's furious.

00:25:43.300 She's furious to be beginning this call.

00:25:45.920 The more you spend, the higher the discount.

00:25:49.080 I would assume.

00:25:49.700 I'm looking forward to seeing you then.

00:25:50.640 Okay, what?

00:25:52.820 Are you stunned by that?

00:25:54.360 Did she give a specific number just at a serious sale?

00:25:57.740 No, she goes,

00:25:58.840 the more you spend, the more you're going to get.

00:26:01.680 But she didn't say 25% off

00:26:03.080 because you're a valued customer or anything like that?

00:26:05.840 no that's what's so strange so and by the way blue mercury isn't a place that i necessarily

00:26:10.640 frequent did you buy something there recently i feel like i recall you mentioning so here's what

00:26:14.920 so here's what it is i think it's probably probably have a thing that's like if somebody

00:26:18.540 spent over 500 because i bought the dyson i knew it i bought the dyson and i returned the dyson

00:26:24.420 folks why would i remember you know it's just interesting why would i remember and i did oh

00:26:29.700 what i have another hair i have a hair announcement which is the the the the fix it or whatever

00:26:35.440 the foam twister that you sent me on oh no well nothing to say about that i immediately okay go

00:26:41.640 on no well okay go i thought you might be interested no just that we all know i'm back

00:26:46.000 to my 150 hair dryer which i prefer to the dyson and guess who's experimenting with mousse well we

00:26:51.820 okay it's begun we ended an episode a few weeks ago with with that we're gonna start mousse you

00:26:58.440 forgot well i'm back on mousse so okay so bumble and bumble curl mousse i've been using it's not

00:27:04.320 crunchy do you remember bumble and bumble's kind of explosion the moment of their explosion

00:27:09.420 it's like 2002 yeah that's that's what exactly what it feels like to me it was like the sunday

00:27:15.120 one there was one product called like sunday wash it was almost like they introduced us to

00:27:19.700 the concept of a sunday clarifying rinse wow i mean the beach the beachy stuff oh yeah it rings

00:27:26.600 for me i remember john frida's beach wave product in a it was blue i practically drank that stuff

00:27:32.700 in high school. It smelled unbelievable. Tell everyone about what I sent you on Instagram.

00:27:38.460 I want your reaction. Okay. So, but I do want to talk about moose because I did start Googling

00:27:43.020 and I, I just, and I thought about what you said. You let the moose sit on your hair for 10 minutes

00:27:48.100 before your hair, before you dry. Is that what, is that what I said? Listen to my voice today.

00:27:51.580 Jesus. Yeah. I just said, listen to my voice today. I'm like, I'm overworked. Oh no. You

00:27:56.580 know what it was? You know what it was? You can tell. It was, um, I saw a thing less about moose.

00:28:02.160 I think this was more about gel or other like curl products.

00:28:05.340 They said, you know, you put it in the wet hair, whatever, and then you let it form a

00:28:08.720 cast.

00:28:09.300 So you let it sort of get sticky.

00:28:10.960 You let it sort of almost dry a little bit and then you start diffusing and then, and

00:28:16.160 then you break it all, you break down the crunch, you know, after, right.

00:28:19.240 It's sort of the classic thing.

00:28:20.520 Instead of sopping wet, put the product in and start diffusing.

00:28:23.700 And then you're, it's like, you sort of let it pull, you let it crunch it up.

00:28:27.060 You let it course at the curls.

00:28:28.460 so you sent me now when i see when i see a you know that you've sent me a story or something

00:28:35.140 like that on on ig okay i go what's it going to be what's the product okay i go like she's found

00:28:39.980 something something has been served to her algorithm that i'm praying has not already

00:28:43.320 been served to mine and i get excited and i go in and i go oh okay now at first my heart's source

00:28:48.680 so what it is is it's a imagine a long tube of foam with a wire inside of it actually these

00:28:57.080 already exist in the form of well in the silk but there's the four inch ones that that you can get

00:29:02.420 at the drugstore okay that are individual curlers right that you wind your curls in you know those

00:29:07.500 never seen them all right yeah so this is just a long one of those and then they've wrapped it in

00:29:12.320 you know silk okay you put it on your head you wrap you know you break your hair into two halves

00:29:18.120 you wrap it around you fold it up you sleep on it you wake up with you know long soft gorgeous

00:29:22.700 waves. Now there are 6,000 ways to do this with almost anything, a ribbon. Okay. You know,

00:29:29.720 two buns, right? I mean, two buns, right. Is a classic. Okay. So I'm going, well, let's see the

00:29:36.140 price. Yeah. Doing a few buns. Okay. A few buns will create those, those waves. I'm not saying

00:29:42.320 the product has no value. Okay. Okay. But, and I go, let's see what they're charging. Cause that's,

00:29:47.160 that's the real question. I go, okay, they're charging $18. I accept. Okay. Thank you. You

00:29:52.180 know they're not although I immediately I immediately started googling despite not even

00:29:56.720 really wanting or needing this product I started googling how I could do it on my own okay yeah 0.99

00:30:00.820 not even do it on my own as in with the buns but create what they are selling yeah so I was

00:30:07.780 googling like long foam bendable whatever and being like I'll put my own scrunchie silk on there

00:30:13.480 and but what I did appreciate was the people that were selling it I was intrigued by their brand

00:30:19.060 which was, they said something like, you know, we're just selling unique solutions to specific

00:30:24.360 beauty industry, like, you know, products or, or lackings, you know? And I kind of, I'm like,

00:30:29.520 okay, yeah. Don't, don't roll out an entire line when you've never proven yourself. Don't roll out.

00:30:34.960 This is why I'm like, to me hearing like Armani foundation, I'm like, why the hell would I assume

00:30:39.700 that anyone at Armani, right? Knows anything about makeup. Right. Now I'm not saying that

00:30:45.720 the fashion brands makeup stuff is always bad like but you have to really know like someone

00:30:50.780 has to tell you I remember like someone told me like Chanel's liquid eyeshadow is a dream

00:30:54.480 okay you know what I'm saying do you get excited you mean the specific items yeah so so these

00:31:01.420 companies roll out well they go well we got to have a lipstick we got to have a oh right right

00:31:04.300 and Armani's like we have luminous silk iconic foundation yes and so I'm just saying but I don't

00:31:08.780 I like when a brand comes out with one product first yeah it only builds or adds to it if they

00:31:15.280 something relevant and new to offer so I love I loved when the those the first you know lip gloss

00:31:21.940 that had the you know bee venom or whatever whatever it was the lip that irritates your

00:31:26.340 lips and makes them pink and whatever it was like they brought that out and it was like even

00:31:31.740 they brought that and they had one product and they had to sell it in sephora at the end of the

00:31:35.740 aisle because they don't have a section and they're they're they're living on that they're

00:31:39.980 focus on one item there was a mascara called fiber wig hideous name is that the one that's

00:31:45.660 like the tubes no that's a different one which i i don't actually think is it works the tube one

00:31:51.060 doesn't work i think actually i once tried that and i had major fall down well it's like yeah it

00:31:55.460 doesn't it it you got to try it to know why it doesn't work and why it's not at a value but

00:32:00.000 fiber wig actually added fibers little little fibers to the end of your lashes so you were

00:32:05.640 getting technically like a little bit of false lash extensions, like literally something in there

00:32:10.480 other than paint. Right. That's, that's an innovation. Interesting. Yeah. I'm intrigued.

00:32:19.120 I mean, that's to me what cuts through the clutter. Jesus. Is an, is an innovation. Let's

00:32:23.660 get real. That's where my eyes perk up. That's what makes it. I know you really are innovate.

00:32:29.120 You're obsessed with innovation. I mean, I mean, how else do you get out of bed to get a product?

00:32:33.980 just just choose a color i want to hear about what's that skin product that you sent that you

00:32:38.660 said like this is the future oh my god i got so excited and let's go and i i don't even think i

00:32:43.760 begged because i was like i can't risk it i was like i'm buying it now okay it was um i think

00:32:49.740 it's called like ion or something um let me look there it is okay ion skincare says iron causes

00:32:58.460 aging okay iron in the skin oh god whoa hang on this is huge iron i heard about this there was

00:33:06.580 just some article about like iron iron causing agent aging and there's some study about people

00:33:13.640 who donate blood like overall have better health or something very interesting what well it's funny

00:33:19.860 because that's like bloodletting of the old days holy shit imagine how satisfying it must have been 0.74

00:33:24.680 like there's too much blood almost like being like you're like you're bloated with blood and 0.97

00:33:28.960 we just need to release some of that holy shit and it's it being real how satisfying that would

00:33:33.760 have been yeah if it so ion let's this is this is all you need to hear that that calls me in 0.72

00:33:40.080 right ready for this skin just like metal yeah ages through oxidation so there we go folks okay 0.53

00:33:47.540 they're basically like your skin rusts fuck literally they're like in the whole and that's

00:33:53.360 remember we talked about like not letting, treating your skin, like treating your face

00:33:57.340 skin like leather, like not letting water touch it. Right. So, Oh God. And then you go, maybe these,

00:34:03.940 I don't know, maybe these iron deficient vegans, you know, the, the, the claims about their,

00:34:09.040 their skin is like due to iron deficiency or something. You know what I mean? I'm just making,

00:34:13.880 making claims, but let's see the press room, the evidence, there it is. Okay. You ready?

00:34:18.440 oh here we go this is this is what what would i just go nuts for so i opened the section called

00:34:25.080 the evidence oh my god and it says download the white paper you know the white paper that means

00:34:30.900 like a like a peer-reviewed study secret so download the white paper let's just sit with

00:34:36.980 that for a minute okay and then i see i see a series of dates 1894 hjh fenton iron promotes

00:34:47.300 the formation of hydroxyl free radicals free radicals humiliation of cutting down to the next

00:34:53.940 line causes oxidative damage to proteins lipids and dna and cells tissues and organs then we

00:35:00.280 jump to 1965 when lr weintraub realizes iron is excreted through the skin uh making skin

00:35:06.440 susceptible to oxidative damage etc it goes on okay but the the latest iron and uva work together

00:35:14.740 to enhance whatever it doesn't matter i'm i'm in press room so it's something about about

00:35:21.360 diminishing iron on your skin and they go it's the iron is known to produce oxygen-free radicals

00:35:27.720 that can cause the visible signs of skin aging this patented d2 technology which you know tech

00:35:33.960 isn't always tech right they can just name anything that with vitamin c we already know

00:35:37.760 that's good pearl powder only cosmetic product on the market to remove excess iron from the surface

00:35:43.280 of skin whoa okay let's see here what it says when you so you have to use it for 4 000 years

00:35:49.160 to see any results no no it actually there's actually quick results according to what i read

00:35:55.060 when i read that seems shocking okay so they go oh my god you know you know what they've written

00:36:00.700 iron the metal of life dominated by the planet mars universally regarded as the symbol of human

00:36:06.980 strength okay etc and then they go it unleashes motion such a lust confidence there's a there's a

00:36:12.900 add for ion i don't know i don't know what else to say oh pre and post menopause iron can accumulate

00:36:18.540 on skin's surface by as much as 42 so they say it's just it's just the promise of science and

00:36:26.560 this idea of iron blows me away and let's see dr g has devoted his career to studying the negative

00:36:33.200 impacts of too much iron in the body so that's what i'm talking about when when that when that

00:36:38.460 It's like a gust in a spotter, right?

00:36:41.400 Bader.

00:36:42.320 Yeah.

00:36:43.100 Burn, victim. 0.79

00:36:44.080 Yeah.

00:36:44.420 When they study the science in the world of health and medicine, and that's their goal. 1.00

00:36:51.920 Their goal isn't to sell to desperate hogs, right? 1.00

00:36:55.280 Like us for skin. 0.99

00:36:56.680 And then they see a result.

00:36:59.100 So here's what it is. 0.66

00:36:59.740 that following during and post menopause and the cessation of menstruation, uh, skin faces,

00:37:05.640 which was, which is a means of removing excess iron from the body. Skin faces an increased

00:37:10.600 challenge for the removal of excess iron. Okay. I'm curious and I would like them to send it and

00:37:15.640 I will try. I'm, um, fading so quickly. It's actually alarming to me also cause I'm letting

00:37:21.880 myself go. Is it COVID again? Because I could it be that soon today went on a walk and I started

00:37:26.960 to get so out of breath so quickly I'm just burnt out but see I never yeah I never jumped to like

00:37:33.660 like basic kind of health things like that I never jumped to an actual illness I'm just tired I know

00:37:38.400 that's what it is but I just remembered something which I think is funny which there were a couple

00:37:43.240 times where there was a person that I was talking to and I would find myself really checking out

00:37:47.540 and being uncomfortable and wanting to get out of the conversation and I noticed that they would

00:37:52.720 say something and I would laugh and it would close my eyes as if I were laughing but actually

00:37:57.520 taking a nap but closing my eyes for those moments was like yeah I was like momentarily

00:38:02.840 closing my eyes but I just kept them closed it was like a break clearly well at night the times

00:38:10.500 when I'm really tired has been happening recently but I'm really enjoying what I'm reading so I'm

00:38:14.480 dying to keep reading I I and my eyes are falling asleep I'll manage what do you do I'll close one

00:38:21.160 eye at a time literally i'll be reading with one eye letting the other one rest

00:38:25.320 and then switch like that time i was using the drill you know where i'd charge it for

00:38:31.560 three seconds use it for one squirt no charge for three seconds like no i do these things and then uh

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00:40:12.400 hello it's me anna sinfield from the girlfriends the number one hit true crime show that puts women

00:40:20.680 right in the center of their own stories i'm back with more one-off interviews with some

00:40:26.700 truly kick-ass women on the girlfriends spotlight i want to introduce you to sylvia i'm going to 0.99

00:40:34.240 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:40:42.000 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:40:46.560 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:40:54.240 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:40:56.160 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

00:40:59.200 I'm not too intimidated by her.

00:41:00.620 What are you talking about?

00:41:01.580 listen to the girlfriend spotlight on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever 0.81

00:41:08.620 you get your podcasts i think i've decided to go all clip-on earrings from here on out

00:41:20.260 oh well as you know i don't have my ears pierced yeah why why why pull on that tiny hole okay

00:41:27.220 just you know i don't need it stretching right as the days wear on right you know and i i and also

00:41:34.960 it pulls it down too much the clip holds it on the ear i'm not trying to pull down on my earlobes

00:41:40.640 yeah i mean clipping they can hurt really they can hurt yeah some of them i guess that's true

00:41:49.320 you have to kind of you can always add little pads and such oh you know what you know what my

00:41:53.600 friend just told me here corn pads you know those those for corns oh geez for earring for clip-ons

00:42:01.000 soft and um smart yeah remember i can't remember what movie it was oh i grew up with sisters

00:42:07.780 someone knew to put a little eraser when you lost the back of your earring a little eraser head

00:42:12.440 like you pull it off a pencil and use that i don't know if that's very effective now you can't find

00:42:17.600 a pencil anywhere because no one writes with pencils anymore well i mean i remember we spoke

00:42:21.340 about this recently but this feeling of the diminishment is satisfying as you're when you're

00:42:26.080 writing furiously and you get down you know you've gone from sharp to to nothing yeah and it's so

00:42:31.460 thick but you keep going true inspiration sharpened pencil and then you get a fresh one

00:42:35.780 and you get a fresh one i have a scar in my inner thigh a tiny one because i was with a cousin i had

00:42:42.160 a really sharp pencil she started fighting with her brother and it jabbed it stabbed me in the

00:42:47.040 because you got knocked into and you were holding it or because they fell with you yeah I was

00:42:52.560 holding a razor sharp pencil wow they fell on top of me oh I can feel it yeah as if I'm there

00:42:59.000 I've been going to last night I fell asleep watching kosha k-o-s-h-a kosha spa you know

00:43:06.200 I wouldn't even mention it what's that it's an it's an la um no it's no no I mean on instagram

00:43:13.480 watching the i've done it more than once watching the reels of kosher spa who's an la facialist

00:43:19.360 and it's all facial massage and teaching music and facial it's just like it's just their um

00:43:25.820 it's just their like they're teaching you moves you know what i mean so like i still want to go

00:43:30.040 to skin gym and i believe you got your freeze facial i never collected mine so hello yeah yeah

00:43:34.460 leaving money on the table but they did a thing where you press up under your cheekbones apparently

00:43:39.180 there's a lot of tension there and I was doing that before bed and then and then and then her

00:43:44.900 other thing is rolling your fingers along your lips and that you go like this and then you go

00:43:50.860 to the corners of your lips and you squeeze and if you feel like quote ball then there's tension

00:43:54.520 there but I don't know I'm not sure I just go too hard with this stuff but there's something about

00:43:59.900 lying in bed and looking at her doing her skin that just feels like I'm falling asleep with a

00:44:05.140 sense of possibility the time that the time can be slowed oh here's one thing i want to say is

00:44:11.360 that sakara did very generously send us a lot of stuff and i have to say it i had a couple a couple

00:44:16.740 those salads loved it yeah but that with that miso dressing some sesame miso dressing filled

00:44:23.200 me up i had an almond flour muffin i couldn't really do it because of my nut allergy and

00:44:28.160 there's just i know you had a nut issue but i had the granola with the chlorophyll milk i was eating

00:44:32.980 it up. I was impressed. Yeah. I'm still on my factor 75s that I pay, pay for in full and,

00:44:40.560 you know, or not. Pay out the nose. Yeah. Why do I keep saying pay through the nose?

00:44:45.000 Through the nose. Oh, cause it's correct. I guess it's pay out the ass. Yeah, it is through the

00:44:49.600 nose. Right. Out the ass through the nose. Thoughts on the trapezius muscle, because I've

00:44:55.620 been standing and noticing that my rounded shoulders are taking the form of, even if I

00:45:00.100 try to drop my shoulders down I'm seeing the trapezius from behind and I want it gone oh I

00:45:05.460 ordered an insane red foam knobby thing I think I sent it to you I was laying in my red light device

00:45:11.500 I don't remember seeing it light path what is it oh light path to wellness one of our first big gets

00:45:16.680 was laying in my red light recently I decided I'm back to red light I'm so sold on it that I'm trying

00:45:22.220 to get everyone in my family on it I do believe red light's the answer near infrared and infrared

00:45:27.520 red. Oh my God. I have to get on it. You got to get like this. You got to get both the six,

00:45:30.660 six 60 Hertz or, and like the eight, 10 Hertz. So visible red light and non-visible red light.

00:45:36.560 Non-visible goes deeper. You know what I'm really craving as well is the TheraFace.

00:45:41.040 TheraFace. Absolutely. Please send it now. I'm shocked because when we first got the TheraGun,

00:45:44.980 I boldly, you know, gently floated in the TheraGun to my face. Oh, and I was shocked.

00:45:51.560 You were terrified, shocked, you know, as you should be. I mean, I mean, you got to be careful.

00:45:55.740 If I floated in was language I believe I pulled from their site, you know, just to not go too

00:46:02.080 hard. Ouch. I'm sorry. This is a huge question in the beauty industry right now. Okay. About

00:46:08.160 massage and working the face, the muscles. Are we, is it all good? Is the more stretching the

00:46:14.560 better? Okay. Okay. Last night I sent a thing from Kosha Spa video where she's rubbing and

00:46:21.140 pulling at the corners of the mouth. I sent it to Coco, uh, Coco face yoga, a different instructor. 0.59

00:46:26.980 And I said, do you think this risks stretching the skin? Like, cause I'm, I follow these two.

00:46:33.380 What'd you say?

00:46:34.040 There's no response yet. Okay. Okay. I'll check it tonight. I'm, you know, off Instagram.

00:46:37.980 Stretching the skin freaks me out. 1.00

00:46:39.980 Extremely. But, but then, but then people have asked that of the kosher woman and she says,

00:46:44.160 no, you know, that, that increases blood flow that I'm just. 0.94

00:46:47.780 I'm in the mood to gua sha. I haven't gua sha'd in 4,000 years.

00:46:50.260 You can watch her do a lot of gua sha, but here's the concern. Okay. Here's the concern. So back with the whole fascia blasting thing, which is deeply controversial. There was a little tiny one. Yeah. There was a little tiny one that was the face blaster.

00:47:05.440 I didn't know it was controversial. Why? Well, some people like say it's like ruined their life and their body. No. Yeah. And and like there's differing opinions on why her whole model that made so much sense. It's so appealing as a concept. And I saw the book in the airport was it's not fat. It's fascia. And it was it was saying that cellulite, you know, it's not. Oh, you have this fat that, you know, is this gross fat. Fuck you. It's normal fat. But then the fascia, the connective tissue is like pressing down on it,

00:47:35.240 creating the like wrinkled appearance and so it's like you need to loosen up your fascia fascia gets

00:47:40.200 tight due to you know restricted movement and and whatever i want to hear about people's lives

00:47:44.680 being ruined by blasting their fascia so so then somewhat so then you you blast at your fascia with

00:47:49.840 this this massage tool essentially and you go go go you you know you massage these areas and that's

00:47:56.480 in theory is softening up the fascia and then the appearance of the fat is laying more smoothly okay

00:48:01.840 others are saying that's not why you're getting a smooth appearance you're getting a smooth

00:48:06.800 appearance due to um inflammation or due to swelling the natural swelling of brutalizing

00:48:12.620 that makes sense and a lot of times you come out of the facial and it's like look how plump you are

00:48:16.280 and it's like well because you just brutalized my face this is the plumpness of right right of

00:48:21.160 injury right so so then these other people there's facebook groups it's like whatever and then the

00:48:26.280 facebook groups being like she's deleting my comments you know like okay like people like

00:48:30.420 there's like entire facebook groups that are like against it and like trying to like spread the

00:48:33.500 message of being against it there's this whole thing about so one of the promises it's evolved

00:48:37.580 okay the promises as she's gone and one of the promises is like that if you fascia blast areas

00:48:44.560 of fat you will actually also reduce fat okay and the reason is and this boy is that appealing

00:48:50.660 the idea of just being able to slough fat off with a with a massage device yeah just raking

00:48:55.600 okay at your at your love handle okay and so doing this you know with oil and the idea is that this

00:49:03.420 this trauma essentially to the the fat cells turns them from the whatever the white fat cells into

00:49:09.080 the brown fat cells okay it like it kills them essentially and they they you know they deflate

00:49:14.460 and leave so so now it's like literally like blast away your fat is like what is the promise 0.99

00:49:18.940 which is you know and what some of these women are saying is not even that it doesn't work they're

00:49:24.300 saying it works but losing fat in that way releases all the hormones that are you know like 0.96

00:49:30.820 fat is filled with hormones i guess something like this i don't know so it's like fucking up 0.99

00:49:36.060 their fucking hormonal systems oh shit and then you go okay we're out hormones by the way haven't 1.00

00:49:41.660 even scratched the surface because my eyes immediately cross yeah like hormone stuff 1.00

00:49:46.680 jesus by the way do you know what a hormone is because i don't well exactly um because there's

00:49:51.220 something that's i've never heard anyone no yeah no one's well unfortunately i think i think that 0.78

00:49:56.400 there's does the brain produce them doesn't all that shit come from like uh well what isn't that 0.86

00:50:01.940 all like endocrine so where is that but endocrine's what like the thyroid oh thyroid yeah glands 0.91

00:50:09.020 there it is pituitary i mean they're all connected of course i glans oh i um i can't know i massage

00:50:16.140 my um sternocleidomastoid muscle the superficial is the point of submission

00:50:21.500 well i've been doing it and because i keep feeling this little bump

00:50:26.800 or band on the muscle i'm convinced that everything lies in that band

00:50:30.280 and so i've been massaging it and then the next morning at breakfast chris says it looks like you

00:50:36.760 have a hickey on your neck like what did you do and and i was like oh no like what have i done

00:50:43.520 you know like through my massaging and i look i'm looking in the mirror and i go i we're at

00:50:47.660 breakfast so i go you know i'm gonna massage the part that it's at and see because he's like it

00:50:51.540 looks like i see your fingernail like it's like a fingernail print like it clearly sees like your

00:50:56.100 two fingers and i immediately assumed a demon in the night first of all really yeah because you

00:51:01.720 know in horror movies and stuff strangling you see the hand print in the morning the bruise

00:51:06.280 right they go right for the so so i'm going oh god okay but i'm going it's probably me

00:51:12.320 massage my neck why wouldn't it be I go I can't see myself so I go I'm gonna massage the part

00:51:17.060 that feels like the part that I have an issue with I go yeah he goes yeah it is exactly where

00:51:21.340 it is the fingers are exactly on the spot I go it's horrifying I've gone too far I go back

00:51:26.920 I'm in the bathroom like an hour later glance in the mirror to check it out I go hmm I took a

00:51:33.380 cloth I wiped it off it was it was coffee it was it was coffee from my fingers

00:51:37.240 wow by the way i panicked about a mole that appeared the other day right oh yeah you sent

00:51:44.080 me a photograph of it suddenly i'm not seeing it maybe that was a little java as well yeah

00:51:48.860 and i'm not one of these mole you know i'm i'm well frankly i'm concerned and by the way 0.68

00:51:56.880 listeners need to understand the reason that i am fucking steamrolling more than usual 0.64

00:52:02.800 is because Kate has explicitly expressed that she's tired 0.94

00:52:06.620 and needs me to just go, go, go.

00:52:08.620 No, I need you.

00:52:09.560 Yeah, I'm really, today's hard.

00:52:12.580 I mean, I'm a bore, but.

00:52:14.140 No, I miss you desperately.

00:52:17.860 I threatened to drag you by your ponytail to Palm Springs with me.

00:52:21.140 Well, technically I'm in Palm Springs.

00:52:23.160 Two Bunch Palms, this is your final warning. 0.69

00:52:26.220 This is your final warning.

00:52:27.220 Yeah, because as we know, resorts have popped up.

00:52:30.960 And I'll tell you again, Two Bunch Palms.

00:52:33.060 I mean, many resorts have popped up.

00:52:35.800 There are options.

00:52:36.320 They're not the only game in town anymore.

00:52:38.340 No, they're not.

00:52:38.940 And Two Bunch Palms.

00:52:39.660 But honestly, they don't feel they need us, and that's fine.

00:52:42.740 Well, it's a grave error.

00:52:45.040 Well, apparently the hospitality industry is wildly behind in terms of partnership work.

00:52:50.040 This is what we've learned the hard way.

00:52:55.740 And do you ever fantasize about opening a hotel,

00:52:58.200 and if you did, what it would be like, and how great it would be,

00:53:00.120 and what things you would do that would make it amazing?

00:53:02.800 no i those fantasies have only ever extended to opening a restaurant that's fun what would

00:53:08.420 your restaurant do that the others don't well there's nothing new outfit coordinated now

00:53:12.800 well outfit coordinated napkin remember i thought that's what you meant you're like so it doesn't

00:53:17.440 cut the line black and white napkins so when you come in with your nice black trousers it doesn't

00:53:23.660 leave the dust was the claim the napkin won't i thought it was cutting the line of the outfit

00:53:28.220 that was the issue that you don't want a white napkin like cutting you off where you're trying

00:53:32.600 create a waste the torso yeah yeah i hate the expression create a waste what are your thoughts

00:53:37.720 on oh oh yeah it's gone restaurant we've already talked about it i was talking about board games

00:53:42.680 oh well because i clam up freeze up i don't like them yeah no you gotta it's kind of a magic thing

00:53:47.880 i just how about how about the art of conversation well that's poog and that's the only thing there

00:53:54.980 is i mean that's but but um no i am well i panic around uh certain kinds of games but i i you know

00:54:04.720 i'm not hanging out well frankly hanging with groups of people not my favorite i'm more of a

00:54:10.260 one-on-one right yeah totally the group thing what about like as a group too what about four people

00:54:16.680 or five are you this is what i could be wrong let me let me make a guess okay you panicked right

00:54:21.560 then imagining wait but you were imagining curating okay a four to five person thing

00:54:25.940 and you're like no i was imagining past things where we've been in that group oh but no no no

00:54:31.360 that's great i mean i think it can be great and and it depends you know case by case carefully

00:54:37.440 carefully curated but playing a board game with people that you're not that are acquaintances

00:54:41.680 is is a nightmare because what will it expose about you you know trivial pursuit like like a

00:54:47.380 nightmare first of all like someone like doing geography trivia yeah i mean sheer terror oh

00:54:54.700 oh i don't know it's hard to say what's fun with what is actually a good time with others

00:54:59.840 in the end seance and only a seance you know what i mean like yeah i'd gather for that for like a

00:55:06.740 for some table knocking you know like god what's table knocking you know it's it's like when those

00:55:12.440 the old seance there was that heyday post I think post-civil war there was kind of like a heyday

00:55:18.980 oh like the ectoplasm and all that yeah and they're like you sit around the table and it was

00:55:23.740 like the table would start bouncing oh I love it yeah well that's their showmanship I actually had

00:55:30.200 a little mild fear of haunting so months ago I bought this dress in New York City this um

00:55:36.460 from the 30s it just like shockingly fit me perfectly lace floral length did I send it to

00:55:42.100 you yes or you at least told me about it it's really beautiful it's quite grand and it was

00:55:45.300 like i think you didn't even know what i would ever wear this to right but i just was completely

00:55:49.360 compelled to buy it and how nice the woman at the store even because i was like the lace is so old 0.85

00:55:54.400 she was like honestly you're probably just gonna wear that one night and just like rip it up like

00:55:57.760 it's not gonna survive multiple wears like it's it's this well that is obviously the most romantic

00:56:03.920 idea to be for a night to be unrepeatable absolutely so that even got me even more excited

00:56:11.680 Well, there it is, by the way.

00:56:13.160 There it is, folks, okay?

00:56:14.940 And I'm not a married woman.

00:56:16.020 What about the magic?

00:56:17.400 No, no, no.

00:56:17.880 Oh, that too.

00:56:19.240 Yes, I just, that's what a wedding dress should be.

00:56:22.060 Exactly, destroy it.

00:56:23.180 I had the same thought.

00:56:24.260 A wedding dress should disintegrate

00:56:27.400 across the course of the evening.

00:56:28.720 I completely agree.

00:56:30.060 It should be dust by morning.

00:56:31.960 Because also, this thing about the wedding dress,

00:56:33.980 people preserve them in these boxes, in these bell jars.

00:56:36.460 Utter death, utter death.

00:56:37.740 Bizarre, right?

00:56:39.400 Ghostly beetle juice.

00:56:39.920 A dress you never wear again.

00:56:41.060 is one thing but a dress that is suspended in like mothballs for four thousand years can daughter

00:56:46.360 fit can daughter fit you know you know i fit in my own mother's wedding dress oh my god another

00:56:51.620 three weeks of cottage cheese and she'll be there yeah yeah cut cheese but and i remember my friend

00:56:58.660 just being like like about like i don't know her diet like it was like yeah you just gotta like cut

00:57:02.060 cheese not true disturbing that's insane i remember reading i remember um an actress friend of mine

00:57:08.960 someone had given her this like so horrifying it was like how to lose 4 000 pounds in three days

00:57:16.220 like ahead of the red carpet it was like don't eat anything except tomatoes and fish oh right

00:57:23.240 right and then it was like the day before drink very little water it was crazy and it was like

00:57:27.620 the day i saw the water thing yeah day of drink no water and then have a huge sugary donut or

00:57:32.860 something and your skin like clings to your bones i don't know it was horrifying no i read i read a

00:57:39.200 thing about and it was like it was almost like it was like for not wrestlers it's for bodybuilders

00:57:44.340 okay who want to look um not bigger whatever but but they want to the snatch the skin yeah yeah

00:57:52.140 yeah they they want no like bloated whatever they want it all like sucked in and essentially

00:57:56.800 dehydrated. They want to look dehydrated. Yes. So the way apparently is that they were to say

00:58:03.620 they hydrate for weeks, like super hydrate. Okay. And then they pull the hydration in the two days

00:58:10.200 before the event. Now, because the body had been, had learned to process and get water out from the

00:58:17.720 last two weeks, now it immediately sends water out. Like, so you're like profoundly dehydrated.

00:58:24.580 Like you've never been again and they can get, they oil up and go out.

00:58:28.460 That makes sense for those horrifying images of those bodies.

00:58:31.800 Yes.

00:58:32.360 Yes.

00:58:33.340 What is the, I want to watch a documentary on those people.

00:58:37.040 Well, it seems like, yeah.

00:58:40.160 Yikes.

00:58:40.620 Right.

00:58:40.780 Why is that?

00:58:41.780 Why do they go there versus.

00:58:43.720 To focus on the body so intensely like that.

00:58:45.760 Wow.

00:58:46.220 Okay.

00:58:46.440 Wait, I was going to quickly buy the dress.

00:58:48.960 Yes.

00:58:49.540 Thank you.

00:58:50.020 so hung it up on the back of my dressing on the back of my closet door middle of the night I wake

00:58:56.440 up it's fell off by the way I had been hanging on that door for days undisturbed on a hanger

00:59:02.800 just like yeah hung no problem on the door itself or on the door on the door itself yeah I love I

00:59:09.220 love a hanger over a door itself yeah so it's a great feeling so I was hanging on that for days

00:59:13.440 everything's fine everything's fine I wake up in the middle of the night to the sound of it falling

00:59:17.560 off. Oh, haunting. Thank you. Which made like no sense. I was like, you know, nothing had like,

00:59:23.760 why? Well, particularly the fact that I'll tell you why. Cause it was, you know, Rosanna's

00:59:30.560 wedding dress. I mean, it's a literal vintage dress. The next day. So I hang it up in the

00:59:35.820 morning. Did I wake up? Yeah. I think I was like, Oh, it really kind of scared me. I was like the

00:59:40.060 next morning I hang it back up. I go about my day. I come back. I come back and it's down again.

00:59:46.020 are you serious yeah and then did a little kind of like all right like if you fall off again yeah

00:59:55.660 yeah i did a little like you gotta go no i didn't say gotta go i wasn't but i just no that's okay

01:00:02.540 i was laughing at the if you fall off again like you were talking to the dress is the the dress

01:00:07.080 itself was the haunted item versus right and not the spirit you knock this dress off like the wall

01:00:12.360 again the door again the point is the little thing hasn't fallen since but i will also say

01:00:18.400 i really hooked it on there extra tight yeah and so it would have been a little harder for

01:00:22.940 someone to maybe see that's yeah that's that's the issue where you you you don't know whether

01:00:27.780 you want to make it harder or easier yeah for them because if you make it harder that doesn't

01:00:33.520 mean now you can still believe there's a ghost there they're just unable to they don't have the

01:00:38.560 full muscle strength. They don't have the strength. Yeah. Yeah. You don't, there's no peace there. So

01:00:42.060 it almost feels like make it easier for them. Let them talk. And that's where you start bringing

01:00:45.380 out the Ouija board, which, you know, you know, I loved as a child and continue to wonder whether, 0.98

01:00:52.640 you know, I suck. I brought in some spirits that have been siphoning energy off of me ever since.

01:01:00.220 Speaking of siphoning energy or that's not really the, but I want to talk to your energy healer

01:01:04.800 woman oh yeah for sure i will not speak her name until i've locked her in for you know a weekly 0.99

01:01:13.640 appointment for the next 10 years aren't you already locked into that um you know no because

01:01:19.360 because i now do those more on a rhythm of when i feel like there's something to do i see i see

01:01:24.600 kind of like um i maintenance i clearly need to go take a bath or take a nap

01:01:30.460 see there it is

01:01:32.060 have you ever seen me like this

01:01:33.220 I don't know

01:01:35.520 I mean I'm depleted as well

01:01:37.200 I already regret

01:01:39.800 should we do five more minutes on Ghost

01:01:41.920 is the only interesting thing

01:01:43.220 why did I talk, why did I speak

01:01:45.980 when I had nothing

01:01:48.000 that's not true Jacqueline

01:01:49.820 it's a chat cast, we never promised anything else

01:01:52.280 it's a chat cast

01:01:53.280 it's a chat cast

01:01:54.400 you never promised more

01:01:56.860 and by the way we're going to record in the next couple days

01:01:59.860 i i will have the energy i will have i will have it but you know this episode should be called

01:02:06.360 come as you are because today i'm just i had to come as i am

01:02:12.560 do you know that before we go this is i think according to subtitles when they reference what

01:02:21.100 sound something is this is scoffing uh-huh that's scoff they're like scoffs right right

01:02:27.580 yeah yeah like and i'm like okay so there is a word for that i guess i kind of knew scoffing

01:02:34.100 was that but i kind of didn't know that was a specific sound right like almost any sound that

01:02:40.100 expresses that emotion like to um their one interesting thing about me is that i am recording

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01:02:54.800 of it that you'll be visiting instagram in order to see more just a little tease love it um all

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - May 31, 2022

Come As You Are

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