Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Damage Injure Pull Poke and Prod

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00:01:05.080 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.540 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.640 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:12.380 Two untamable intellects.

00:01:14.160 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:01:15.000 This is our hell.

00:01:15.860 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:01:18.120 This is POOG.

00:01:19.560 Today's topic, loosely speaking,

00:01:21.340 Sturm caved, aging uselessly.

00:01:23.540 mercilessly tea bags hello hello you may notice a bruise on me today i don't know if you could

00:01:31.180 yeah i do see that oh wait you sent me a photo of it earlier worse oh wow it's worse it's it's

00:01:38.460 truly worse so so would you like to know what has occurred yes so you know how i have talked

00:01:43.940 on poog about massaging you know to the point of damage that kind of thing because i have this

00:01:48.940 belief that pain or injury is the way through it cuts through should cut through and every other

00:01:57.840 annoying sensation because it often does right so if you have an itch you know like or a mosquito

00:02:04.480 bite you slam your fingernail into it you know pain over itch every time for example right i

00:02:11.140 wonder what that i'm trying to of course extrapolate that to more emotional things

00:02:14.880 that might be happening for you? No, because emotional pain doesn't cut anything. It just

00:02:20.560 blooms. I don't mean pain. I just mean, I just mean overpowering a discomfort with another

00:02:26.160 potentially more uncomfortable thing. Okay. I cannot believe it by the bruises. So, okay. So

00:02:31.260 for those, for those unable to see Jacqueline, which is everyone but myself and Theda,

00:02:36.420 Jacqueline has a bruise on the side of her face and you got that from facial cupping.

00:02:42.060 OK, so facial cupping. So people are familiar with cupping. We've all seen Michael Phelps' back and those circles and, you know, the whole thing. It's a suction cup on the on the skin. It pulls it up, you know, causes blood flow, et cetera, et cetera.

00:02:57.960 I mean, I mean, so many of the things that have become popular in this space recently. Right. It's all kind of damage, injure, pull, poke and prod. And the idea that, you know, injury will save you. Right. It's all like everything. Skincare is like micro injury that stimulates your natural collagen. Right. Right.

00:03:18.560 And so I can get a little overzealous because I always think that if I go harder, I'll get more, you know, you and I are opposites because I struggle.

00:03:29.720 I'm so scared. So I purchased something with my own goddamn money, if you can believe it. 0.98

00:03:33.600 I forget what it's called already. It's like a Clarisonic. I should actually find what it's called. 0.99

00:03:37.440 I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. You're ordering that. It was late at night.

00:03:41.140 um, as often as it becomes every day, I find, I think it's called, I'm going to find it,

00:03:47.800 but it's like, but it's like a scrubber. It's like a Clarisonic, but what's cool about it is

00:03:51.620 that it, if there's a UV, it comes with a little UV light, so it becomes disinfected.

00:03:56.800 Promises of, of, um, sanitization. Actually go on. No, I just want to say that the scrubber is

00:04:03.620 not too intense. Like it's not super harsh, but even I become afraid that I'm going to over,

00:04:10.000 I'm going to strip the skin. I'm going to over exfoliate. But last night I used it and I feel

00:04:15.080 clean today. I always feel like my skin's not clean. I feel like I'm, I'm going, I'm wearing

00:04:19.220 makeup, you know, I wear makeup and I wear makeup, you know, I'm shooting, I'm shooting right now.

00:04:24.180 So I'm caked in makeup every day. So the end of the day, you got to get in there and scrub.

00:04:29.280 I think it's working. And here I am forgetting what the point was. Oh, just that my fear,

00:04:33.120 you go over, you over scrub and I chronically underscrub.

00:04:36.240 Right. Except, except for in that case, because I actually do zero manual exfoliation for the last like 10 years. Okay. I resist that at all costs. It's one area where I know my overzealousness. Like I still, there's something in me that still believes that if I dig with like something really sharp into a muscle until it hurts so badly, I just believe that that will unlock something. Okay. And so, but with scrubbing, I absolutely am chemical all the way.

00:05:02.760 Wow. So the cupping. So I got excited because I've been following this kosher, I think, named facial cupping, gua sha, et cetera, et cetera on Instagram.

00:05:12.800 She pops up a lot for me and it looks really fun, you know, just slamming tools on your on your face. 0.56

00:05:18.460 And so I was like, I need I need these suction cups now. And I ordered a set. And this morning I woke up.

00:05:27.260 I felt some jaw tension.

00:05:28.640 I reached for a big one.

00:05:30.680 I suctioned it right onto my jaw, my masseter muscle.

00:05:33.780 And it felt great.

00:05:35.000 Just felt this sensation of just pulling on it.

00:05:37.780 And I'm like, well, at very least, I don't get increased blood flow.

00:05:40.500 And I have with a proper bruise.

00:05:42.580 Now, thank God it's just under the cheek line, which technically speaking, I've thought, shall I do more?

00:05:49.180 And do I need to hide it, camouflage through more and create a sort of contour?

00:05:54.520 Do I bruise the whole face?

00:05:56.080 I'm going to say no.

00:05:57.780 I bruise the whole face to cover it.

00:05:59.760 Another place I go.

00:06:01.000 Wow.

00:06:01.580 I just, you know, when I get on stage, I am also, you know, I am, well, I'm not shooting.

00:06:06.540 I'm performing my show, as some have heard and known.

00:06:10.300 By the way, I'm coming to Boston, folks.

00:06:13.400 Okay.

00:06:13.860 And I get ticket counts nightly, so I'll be watching.

00:06:16.900 All right.

00:06:17.140 To see how Tuesday's boog, you know, affects sales.

00:06:19.860 But do you want to see how it works?

00:06:21.220 I'm going to do it safely.

00:06:22.320 Okay.

00:06:22.580 I'm squeezing a little stuff on.

00:06:23.900 So my problem was that I held the suction.

00:06:25.360 what was that that you just squeezed on was that drunk elephant sure it was and by the way i've

00:06:28.760 run out of it this is drunk elephants f-bomber electrolyte water facial mask hydroton a huge

00:06:35.120 question do i have that too or did you purchase that too oh okay baby by the way i've finished

00:06:40.380 some of my drunk elephant products already the ones that were sent to us i've finished them

00:06:43.820 straight to the bottom of the barrel okay so i'm i've been raging in the night of fear because i

00:06:49.460 brought again i'm working in pittsburgh right now i left so many products in la i brought

00:06:53.520 drunk elephant to pittsburgh that's what i did i'm using the vitamin c i'm using the the blue one

00:06:58.540 like the hydra yeah that one's the one i'm done with they use that all day i'm actually on my

00:07:02.380 second bottle so you bought okay here's what really gets ugly they both were gifts the first

00:07:07.120 one somebody gave me and the second one as you know drunk elephant came from drunk elephant

00:07:10.980 corporate but i'm really curious about you know as we all know sturm cave barbara sturm cave

00:07:17.700 and sent us products someone someone who okay but sturm caved no i'm sorry if we haven't announced

00:07:24.220 that on the podcast it's huge news barbara sturm very elevated top shelf products they have caved

00:07:29.020 i repeat they have caved they sent us products i immediately when it arrived i gasped i clutched

00:07:35.060 myself i the way the delicacy with which i unpacked the products and then i'm saving them for you

00:07:40.320 know something else i'm always saving always saving and we got it we got a serum i go i look

00:07:46.180 it up it retails three hundred and sixty dollars right that number moved through my body the way

00:07:52.400 few things ever have yeah yeah from pubis to sternum and back again yeah yeah an electric

00:07:59.460 yeah a volt of my clit spinal yeah and um but wait i want to say something about stern caving

00:08:06.540 that was so beautiful one technically okay so here here was my experience i get the most beautiful

00:08:12.460 thing i get the package i there's a note in there okay on stern stationary and it says you know

00:08:17.260 whatever something lovely about poog and then it says hashtag stern caved unreal okay from stern

00:08:21.980 now now here's yes now here's theta's dying so so here's the next piece are you ready for this

00:08:26.820 yeah so i immediately posted on instagram i immediately posted on instagram so excited

00:08:30.920 right yeah and then the lovely gal who actually you know did this okay yeah because it's not like

00:08:36.720 it wasn't signed from stern and barb yeah yeah and i think she said something like was like she's

00:08:43.260 gonna hate that i said storm caved that was the impression i got i don't know okay so i was like

00:08:47.240 should i delete should i delete and i'm like no you're a branding genius as does anyone who sends

00:08:53.380 anything to poog no absolutely no i'm i'm very but i will be i guess soon here in pittsburgh

00:08:59.400 products depleting and i will need a new line to try perhaps um you will say that goop those

00:09:06.700 little uh goop glow okay huge news so on the last episode i was talking about athletic greens they

00:09:11.680 have arrived today was my third day trying athletic greens i repeat third day okay waking

00:09:17.540 up on an empty stomach so of course naturally it's going to take a while to feel any of the

00:09:21.660 actual effects but what i'm enjoying is that it tastes totally fine it's not so many of these

00:09:26.740 products so many supplements they taste like absolute poison yeah this has some a little bit

00:09:32.940 of stevia, but it's very minor. It's like, it doesn't taste like poison. It actually does taste

00:09:37.240 kind of earthy and green. And so we'll see, I'm committing myself to 30 days of doing it every

00:09:42.400 single morning on an empty stomach. And you know, we'll see, I am interested now in Instagram has

00:09:47.960 been pushing. And I wonder if you've been getting this pushing colon broom on me. And when I say

00:09:53.220 push, I mean, I'm colon broom. I can't stop getting ads. So I, um, I just did a quick,

00:10:00.040 i was traveling for simply three nights the constipation was through the roof okay the

00:10:06.120 classic the travel constipation which i guess is what that is is that you go in the air i think

00:10:12.320 i think part of it is that but literally being on the plane up there it like turns your bowels to

00:10:18.720 rocks it like dehydrates which is the most disgusting thing i've ever heard in my entire

00:10:23.000 life right i think i think there is a compression i think there's an altitudinous an altitudinous

00:10:28.600 compression, those pressures rising and dropping and rising again. I mean, what can that do to the

00:10:33.180 peristalses? Wow. I'm getting a flashback. There was a woman who I followed on Instagram. 1.00

00:10:37.660 She ruined my life. I just became like upset. She didn't. I just mean that I like the way that, 1.00

00:10:43.040 that's what's so pernicious about Instagram. You just like, you get into this habit where

00:10:47.700 it's tracking you and it tracks you hovering over certain people. So then it feeds it to

00:10:52.680 you constantly. So suddenly this like wellness woman who I found insufferable, who I thought 1.00

00:10:57.760 was probably like i just was really i just was scared of her i was scared for her i was worried

00:11:02.460 and then i was spending most of my waking moments just staring at her staring at her make smoothies 0.96

00:11:07.440 watching her make goddamn bliss balls next thing i know i'm making bliss balls oh no what is that 0.99

00:11:13.180 like like oats and let me guess exactly it's like you grind up dates dates no let me guess 0.99

00:11:18.160 cashew yeah it's almond butter yeah yeah so i was making bliss balls i was flying high

00:11:24.740 so she was obsessed with getting these gel manicures and then one day i go to the gel

00:11:29.300 manicure place this is a random place she's there putting money in the meter out front i look at her

00:11:33.840 my knees almost buckle wow and did i say something no no no i didn't but i wait did i because i 0.98

00:11:40.720 remember leaving being like well she's a bitch i forgot what it was but something happened where 0.96

00:11:45.020 no no i didn't say anything wait is she the gel manicurist or she was also attending the same 1.00

00:11:49.040 she's the bliss ball she's the one who i was following on instagram you saw her nails on

00:11:53.280 insta or never she was always making a big deal about gels which was interesting because it was

00:11:57.600 this like tear in the fabric of the whole persona right because she was this hyper right yeah well

00:12:02.380 and then gels which i've also fallen prey to and done for years are yeah uv baked paint on your

00:12:08.460 nails cool can't wait for my life expectancy to radically diminish due to that habit not to

00:12:13.860 mention the cash i'm hemorrhaging for no reason so the manicure will last just gels in the in the

00:12:19.820 earth you know under the coffin yeah there's nothing but a gel nail remains exactly that's 0.54

00:12:25.180 what it'll be like um anyway but you see her and that must have been a shock i saw her and it was

00:12:32.240 this it was shocking to see her wait listen do you hear that sound yeah i want to hear it let

00:12:37.700 the people hear oh yeah i hear that yeah so that's a suction i'm just now demonstrating the safe way

00:12:43.440 to do it okay which is oil up and keep it moving i read that after i injured myself okay and will i

00:12:51.580 will i tell you that there's a thrill to having an injury yes okay will i tell you that this has

00:12:57.820 sort of um boosted my day just having this minor little but look i'm dragging it along my eyebrow 0.89

00:13:03.700 it's suctioning it in see because i get excited about that thinking it would suck out blackheads 0.95

00:13:08.020 or something but no I don't think so maybe it would move them a little I think I think I think 1.00

00:13:13.500 the way that people use glue and masks and whatever for that stuff suggests that suction

00:13:18.020 wouldn't be enough but lifting the skin away from the skull I mean I know we've talked about this

00:13:27.460 but the fact that the fact there's muscle under there the fact that if you grab your cheek it's

00:13:34.680 muscle. Don't get me started on the human skull. Well, I was thinking today about, you know,

00:13:38.300 the nose is cartilage, right? That whole thing. The nose is just cartilage. And when you picture

00:13:43.240 a skull, you can picture that hole, right? Is that true? Well, that's the thing people always

00:13:47.240 say. Okay. And, and so I'm like, what? And you're like, but how? Because you knock on the top of

00:13:52.600 your nose feels pretty, not like cartilage. It doesn't feel like an ear. Now the tip at the

00:13:58.160 size, that feels like structural, you know, cartilage. You won't touch your nose. You think

00:14:03.960 it's dirty to touch it i mean to touch the skin yeah i do have a thing about hands on my face

00:14:09.080 the fact that you didn't reach for it the fact that you didn't reach for your face right then

00:14:12.540 just intuitively it kind of shocks me yeah no i do have a thing about hands off the face i have

00:14:16.880 a great idea touch my face like while we're chatting i don't like that while we're chatting

00:14:20.340 actually i do want to discuss that because by the way i wonder about facialists how do they manage

00:14:24.860 food hands from lunch okay because you know like they go out to eat a tuna fish sandwich you mean

00:14:30.220 beyond come back you wash your hand and then they're rubbing it all over your face and i'm like

00:14:34.360 how am i not smelling food under your fingernails right it's absolutely repulsive

00:14:39.440 absolutely repulsive that's like smoker fingers when somebody smokes and even if they haven't had

00:14:45.360 a cigarette for hours it stains the smell dwells and there's nothing more repulsive

00:14:50.140 than the finger and the smell well i think food hands is worse even though i love food

00:14:54.580 i mean that's that's the thing like food is my favorite smell you know on someone else's fingers

00:14:59.820 is kill me now, right?

00:15:04.500 We should throw to a break,

00:15:05.820 but it reminds me of the old Seinfeld bit,

00:15:07.640 just about hair, beautiful on the human head,

00:15:09.960 so beautiful, whatever, the second it's removed,

00:15:11.780 like a single hair, it was disgusting.

00:15:14.360 Like you would bury your face in someone's luscious locks

00:15:16.720 one second later.

00:15:18.280 That's funny.

00:15:18.860 I know.

00:15:19.260 I haven't heard that.

00:15:20.600 Okay, into break we go.

00:15:21.860 Into break we go.

00:15:26.380 This is Ryder Strong,

00:15:27.760 and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:15:29.820 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:15:35.800 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:15:39.560 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:15:40.860 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:15:44.480 So no, I am not your guru.

00:15:48.280 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:15:50.900 I lied to police.

00:15:52.180 I lied to everybody.

00:15:53.160 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:15:56.120 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:15:58.560 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out

00:16:03.540 what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:16:07.900 and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of

00:16:13.560 to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather 1.00

00:16:21.040 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:16:28.560 Hey. Hello. I have an exciting idea. What are you looking at? Nails? Thank you. I generously

00:16:36.700 pretended it was your nails. You're looking at, wait, I have one of those too. Oh. That's because

00:16:41.500 a company called Sweet July sent it to us. Right. And beans. I'm using, this is a reusable cup,

00:16:47.920 which brings me to something I want to discuss today. Wait, but I just want to say something.

00:16:51.080 Go ahead. During this 15, okay, I'm not going to constantly bring up the suction,

00:16:54.580 although you may hear the noise occasionally however what i am going to do is i'm going to

00:16:59.020 casually and lightly work one side of my face while we're chatting and we'll see at the end

00:17:04.600 of this break the results afterwards if we've got blood flow you know okay great i so to well

00:17:12.660 i didn't want to get into it um i'm premenstrual that's exciting my 11s have suddenly appeared

00:17:18.260 like something about pittsburgh and like the heat and the dryness and i don't know i don't

00:17:23.100 i don't mean to blame it on pittsburgh perlant says pittsburgh gave her 11th but there is also

00:17:27.940 there's a line on my face my left side okay uh smile line that suddenly is pronounced which by 0.96

00:17:34.620 the way bring it on bitch i love annette benning you know yes it's always annette benning for you 0.95

00:17:39.440 as the model of it's always annette benning in 20th century women yeah i'm just like someone 0.99

00:17:45.080 who just yeah because and i i hate this when people are like i think wrinkles are sexy right

00:17:49.680 when people say it's like go to hell yeah yeah the over emphasis of course actually you know 0.58

00:17:55.460 yeah yeah yeah pronounces how i say pronounces because that's your word like to say like

00:18:00.480 the one thing pronounces the other i love that i always say thrown into relief i over rely on

00:18:05.600 thrown into relief i like that really satisfying though yeah yeah sorry keep keep talking um and

00:18:11.260 so by being i know i love my little laugh line yeah right and this kind of thing of like has

00:18:16.140 women we have to you know or just like it shows joy you know it shows that we've laughed yeah and

00:18:22.120 it's like sure i have laughed why must i have laughed right why do you insist i laughed i never 0.97

00:18:27.280 hear that about a man exactly okay like like the joy on his face it's all about goddamn joy and 0.94

00:18:33.640 love for women isn't it you're expected to be satisfied through emotional bonds alone it's 0.94

00:18:39.440 like women's bodies are only allowed to age if they have like given birth you know it's like oh 1.00

00:18:44.640 yeah. These are the hips that birthed my son. These are the, are the sagging tits from which 1.00

00:18:49.980 my daughter procured. And it's like, yes, of course. But what about if you haven't given 1.00

00:18:54.260 birth and you haven't reproduced, then your body is like aging uselessly. Go to hell. 1.00

00:18:59.280 Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. Yeah. Unless you're lactating, lactating due to an 1.00

00:19:04.420 overly dependent child. Tell me more. Tell me more. Sorry. Overly dependent spouse or lover,

00:19:09.060 which when I was in high school, there was a girl who I was of course obsessed with. She was gorgeous.

00:19:12.660 anyway she was lactating and i remember one time she was squeezing milk out of her tit and she'd

00:19:18.580 gone to her doctor done a whole thing and they were like you know this actually happened sometimes

00:19:22.420 she had a boyfriend at the time who was super needy like needy needy destructive manipulative

00:19:27.740 like and she began to lack okay this she was 16 years old okay this is a real thing that happened 0.90

00:19:36.140 that has happened okay are you and and don't talk to people oh i saw the milk leave her nipple okay

00:19:44.780 yes so i was there well they might try to come in with another thing but the fact that a doctor

00:19:49.860 said that it's your needy boyfriend is one of the most incredible and by the way wow has if that's

00:19:56.800 real boy has that story been hidden yeah boy has it yeah by the masculine i mean like literally 0.99

00:20:04.200 tits are spontaneously producing milk because you're that much of a baby yeah yeah you know 0.98

00:20:09.960 it's just i mean it's just astonishing meanwhile i bet that boyfriend acted like he was real 0.99

00:20:15.460 king shit of masculinity oh this boyfriend i'll just say quickly yeah while maintaining his 0.96

00:20:21.360 privacy i knew him i went to an all-girls school but he ruled the schools and he fingered and or 0.99

00:20:27.120 whoa kissed like i'm not joking every single one of my girlfriends like every friend of mine right

00:20:33.640 he had penetrated in some way except for me okay well congrats um truly and at the time it was

00:20:41.840 hurtful oh right now you you would have taken it i mean well now i'm kind of like well guess what

00:20:48.620 i bet he'd be on all fours begging for me now oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah i almost had this like

00:20:55.460 distinctly like weird like this urge to read like to reach out

00:20:59.900 just to check in to see if he begs yeah wait i have a question about this so

00:21:06.480 so he was actually charming that's the real that's the hardest part of it all

00:21:10.400 no no here's the question so he it was an all-girls school and you say he ruled the

00:21:14.600 school so i immediately picture him behind a fence like rolling over from another like

00:21:18.580 school property chain link fence once the once three o'clock hits okay school bell rings anyone's

00:21:24.400 allowed on on campus baby and i would be fascinated there was other girl who's so 0.85

00:21:29.040 gorgeous and she had this boyfriend and he would roll up to the school on a skateboard oh my god

00:21:33.500 and i was like i would kill myself to a have a boyfriend be like the idea and like the social

00:21:40.340 currency of having a boy come visit you on campus i mean can you even imagine a girl girl school

00:21:44.240 can you even imagine yeah god i wonder what the academic experience would have been like it's

00:21:48.620 kind of sad back then the girls weren't you know banging each other i'm sure they are now right

00:21:53.660 well well right right right maybe they maybe some were and it really was like satisfying because

00:22:00.300 they were like truly going for it that would have been really fun oh yeah but how i just have to know

00:22:05.460 like how was that particular how was he introduced to the community that one that one guy introduced

00:22:11.180 you mean like how did you know him did he go to a nearby school like what was that so he went yeah

00:22:15.880 he went to a to a nearby school i don't even know how did it happen back then myspace i'm like right 0.99

00:22:20.720 because this was pre yeah there was a little bit of my space in there but he he just got the fuck

00:22:26.100 around i don't know yeah he just got in there also i remember specifically he was an indie this is 0.78

00:22:31.480 like peak indie boy worship yeah right and he was like i think he either said this to someone he was

00:22:37.900 like i'm the first no no he was like i was the first person to listen to pavement the band pavement

00:22:43.860 or like he like was like i brought pavement into the mainstream and guess what it worked because

00:22:50.180 I probably had never heard pavement until he talked about it. Sure. And then I, you know,

00:22:54.200 I love pavement, but yeah, it got right on board, but just an electric, electric guitar playing 0.99

00:22:59.440 horny kind of Jewish mop top. Interesting. And yeah, just there wasn't, yeah, there wasn't that 1.00

00:23:06.200 much other school presence in my high school. I'd have to say probably because it was, uh,

00:23:13.840 go ahead. Okay. So, so, so everyone felt, I can't, I mean, we were co-educated, which is weird.

00:23:20.180 I mean, like gym class.

00:23:21.540 Are you kidding?

00:23:22.200 Like, isn't it crazy?

00:23:23.840 Psychotic.

00:23:24.300 Changing into those little like things and pulling those those scrimmage, like pulling scrimmage things over like half the people, you know, in the red scrimmage tank top.

00:23:33.620 And they just smelled like sweat permanently.

00:23:37.140 I mean, what a weird institution.

00:23:39.100 Unimaginable contact.

00:23:39.940 I just think the fact that we go into schools is shocking.

00:23:44.740 At all.

00:23:45.420 Yeah.

00:23:45.680 like that's just like a totally accept like the fact that you live an institutionalized

00:23:50.760 like that you have this profoundly institutionalized experience from so young

00:23:55.040 cradle to grave I mean truly cradle to grave you're you're just in there and you're just like

00:23:59.880 and like you're young when you go in so you're just taking it in like okay this is how this

00:24:04.320 works god I just had a memory of just the smell of the cafeteria food you know because it started

00:24:09.720 cooking up around at least you know as early as 11 and just for me the promise of lunch I'll have

00:24:15.180 a hot lunch i know we i know we talked about beef bar flea recently the promise of lunch is god the

00:24:19.940 promise of a hot lunch like because to me like that's the only thing the school offers like

00:24:23.800 that's the one good thing the school has i guess maybe it had a playground that was kind of good

00:24:27.940 food the way food punctuates the institutional the institutionalized day oh it's like the only joy

00:24:34.020 right it's like you get to work and you're like when's lunch it's like the only it's the only

00:24:37.840 it's the only pleasure it's the only like it's the only thing is the food which like and this

00:24:43.720 brings me to something i wanted to discuss today because i yeah particularly you know working right

00:24:48.980 now the food available on a set a lot of people don't know this is trash meaning that it's mostly

00:24:55.860 like like you'd think like oh yeah actors whatever it's all like chewy bars like entomans it's like

00:25:02.020 an entomans cinnamon roll that's smashed into a little plastic wrapper you you hold it up you look

00:25:06.500 at it you go when was this on the factory floor and how is it here now it's it's like how the hell

00:25:13.040 like it's it's mystifying it's a spiritual how did it arrive the cinnamon roll individually

00:25:18.480 packaged here today fresh in my seemingly fresh in my hand i can't believe entamines i didn't even

00:25:23.600 know entamines provided individual it might not be entamines it's something else but it looks it's

00:25:27.500 like you think craft services takes it out of the package no no no i'm saying it's an individually

00:25:31.700 packaged thing it's like it's there but so there's just no you know and then you're you're i'm eating

00:25:38.280 just you know grilled cheese at 2 a.m which like sure you know delicious I really want but for the

00:25:44.300 first time in my life I'm like am I gonna start making food and bringing it in a Tupperware am

00:25:49.860 I gonna be the person with my little Tupperware of salad dressing I hate the smell though I mean

00:25:54.700 I know it of the Tupperware bag lunch but like no just like the moment like there's something about

00:26:00.000 food but the technology is there now the technology is there oh yeah you get a glass you get a glass

00:26:05.300 you can get glass you can get it you can get an ice pack you can do it but the jealousy you know

00:26:10.320 if you don't if the jealousy the others will feel as you're going into a suit feel by the way

00:26:15.580 i am i wonder if i should even tell this story about something that happened to me let's go

00:26:20.880 just a couple nights ago open it up i won't name the restaurant but and i won't name my allergy

00:26:26.060 even though everyone basically knows okay but are you ready so i go to a restaurant i tell them i

00:26:33.320 I have a nut allergy. I order a cocktail. Someone I'm with orders a cocktail. I changed my order to

00:26:38.500 their cocktail without the menu in front of me. They were, they were sort of run through the

00:26:42.520 ingredients describing how their cock, this cocktail, their version of it is, you know, 0.96

00:26:46.720 has certain things. And, uh, they bring me the cocktail, take a single sip and I immediately 0.97

00:26:50.900 have a nut reaction in my mouth, throat and ears, which sometimes just happens. Like not quite that

00:26:56.880 bad, but sometimes I'll have something like an eggplant or something. Right. It creates a little

00:27:00.640 bit of itch and i'm like oh no did i eat a nut and i'm like i find out like nope there were no

00:27:04.600 nuts in anything and it passes right but so i i like to find out as quick as i can oh i've just

00:27:10.000 revealed nut we all know you have a nut allergy illicers no if somebody wants to poison you i'll

00:27:15.780 be taken out i'll be taken out this way they're not going to take you now they're going to do it

00:27:19.800 despite me all right so they love you so i take a step i have the reaction i ask the waiter is it

00:27:26.280 possible there was something nut based in this cocktail he says i don't think so she goes back

00:27:31.260 she comes out and then she takes about i'm gonna do an impression of how long she took to give the

00:27:36.360 information now this is like information like like okay like like am i on fire right yeah yeah yeah

00:27:42.640 and someone decides to take their time breaking the news to you that you're on fire no okay so

00:27:47.260 it was literally like i see her coming out of the restaurant outdoor dining yeah i'm gonna do as long

00:27:54.220 as it took okay and then she's walking toward the table like that and she and you've locked eye

00:27:59.940 contact she knows you've seen her oh direct line from front door to our table okay i'm looking in

00:28:05.160 her eyes and my hands are clasped okay and she's like she comes up she's like so get it out no

00:28:14.640 they're like this low okay no they're um it's a new cocktail on the menu faster and it um

00:28:25.760 is made with a pistachio you know orioli or something i forget what the what the what the

00:28:34.280 three syllable word was that came next okay and i ran to whatever i ran to cvs got um

00:28:41.380 liquid benadryl chugged it so i'm just imagining you knowing you yeah were you kind of overly

00:28:46.980 trying to soothe her i'm like it's okay uh actually were you able to be pissed no i i was

00:28:51.920 i was um because by the way i was pretty irritated by that that could be extraordinarily dangerous

00:28:58.220 well if someone's like i have an allergy don't give me this yeah i have an epi pen like like

00:29:03.460 i've never had to use it benadryl liquid benadryl has always knocked it out in time where the worst

00:29:08.320 that happens is I, I vomit and I'm very sick, but you know, it's like, but the nut allergy has

00:29:14.100 progressively worse from childhood with every passing, you know, uh, experience. This is after

00:29:19.900 you've performed. What if you had a show, you're going to go into a show, you're knocked out from

00:29:23.920 Benadryl. Oh, absolutely. I mean, or just death, you know what I mean? Or I can't breathe. And so

00:29:28.600 I run and I go get it. And, um, what was this, what was this? Oh, and it's a Michelin starred

00:29:33.300 restaurant to be clear um and so i uh come back and people i was with hysterically they believed

00:29:42.140 so it was me and chris and two other people and they believed that the meal was going to be free

00:29:47.720 okay they were sure i should fucking hope so right so you think the same right so the whole

00:29:53.380 meal comps four people to michelin oof baby we're looking at what 500 at least so maybe four i mean 0.73

00:29:59.580 it was not a cheap meal clearly um and uh you're so you're off you're off the table you're running

00:30:05.740 to cbs yeah i come back three remaining diners yeah because i'm like just ordered i'm starving

00:30:10.840 okay i've waited all day obviously planning for this meal okay and i we've ordered a lot of food

00:30:18.120 because i don't like to worry and and so that i won't get enough and so so i'm like well i have

00:30:26.120 to go back there to at least like claim like like i was like i send chris back to like collect our

00:30:31.920 leftovers if i have to go home because like i'm going to need to eat this at some point

00:30:35.540 and um i go back and i'm like it's possible the benadryl knocked it out quick enough where i'll

00:30:39.720 be fine to sit here and eat the meal but we'll see so i go back and then begins the feeble parade

00:30:46.820 of free items okay and by feeble parade i mean two things would you like to know what they were

00:30:52.920 here's a burrata let me let me guess burrata i wish okay a little a little side don't tell me

00:30:58.040 it was a salad it was side a contorni it was like a it was like a very miniature kind of like

00:31:03.340 you know small plate pasta item which you know great okay but and then later on a little tiny

00:31:10.380 wrapped you know like like packaged individually plastic packaged who knows how it arrived at the

00:31:15.900 table um biscotti okay tiny with chris's with chris's uh espresso which they passed off as

00:31:23.040 they're like and another extra special gift literally the two inch biscotti that comes in

00:31:28.320 a wrapper that they've got they've got barrels of in the back okay yeah and then um and then

00:31:35.760 they offered um they they came out the manager came out and announced that the first round of

00:31:40.880 cocktails which to be clear poison was three cocktails total including one that that was the

00:31:46.180 nut one that that was on him oh wow that's unbelievable and it was just reminding me

00:31:51.520 i had a remember the smith in new york city on third avenue but of course i ate there a thousand

00:31:56.960 times i i can't believe it wasn't comped coming back all right it never is comp

00:32:01.240 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather

00:32:07.860 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:32:13.840 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:32:17.560 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:32:18.900 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:32:22.540 No, I am not your guru.

00:32:26.300 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:32:28.940 I lied to police.

00:32:30.220 I lied to everybody.

00:32:31.200 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:32:34.160 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:32:36.600 to interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out

00:32:41.580 what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:32:45.940 and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of

00:32:51.600 to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather 1.00

00:32:59.060 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:33:06.600 we're back and i almost get it and we're back i just want to say that the smith restaurant which

00:33:14.760 was on third avenue in new york city i once went there i remember it was raining it's not important

00:33:19.000 to the story at all i remember that location and i had a i forgot who i was with but i had a ice

00:33:23.980 cream sundae i'm taking some bites chomp there is glass okay here we go i repeat gl a double s

00:33:35.200 and i'm bleeding what so i am by the way not profusely my gum something because i'm chewing

00:33:43.080 and oh what was that i spit it out it's glass and there's blood in my spit it's like whipped

00:33:47.080 cream and blood i have huge questions about this go yes tell me everything and then i was

00:33:51.720 approximately 19 no i was maybe 20 as okay wow to dwell on that detail i like 20 meaning that i

00:33:58.560 was young if that happened to me today shock would i would be like okay well here it's actually a

00:34:03.540 terrible story i can't remember if the whole meal was comped i think it was because you know no no

00:34:07.460 it was because i remember at the time being like oh this makes sense the whole scam of like you put

00:34:11.880 you know bring a cockroach you put a cockroach in your meal then the whole thing's comped it's

00:34:15.600 genius um see you're the same as me i do think that's genius and it's something like they do

00:34:20.740 in cartoons i would do it do it like it's like a cartoonish like goof and like i too should i try

00:34:26.980 yes you it can't be a roach because that's the cliche you have to go harder deeper you know

00:34:32.180 i think it's something more elaborate what about glass or paper what about a little piece of

00:34:36.320 plastic like well oh everything we we loved our meal but i have to say okay and then you

00:34:42.520 even you show the plastic here's the thing kate this is this is the issue the very moment that

00:34:47.200 the discovery unfolds okay you have to be very careful it's like a crime scene okay yeah you

00:34:53.480 have to be very careful that you don't start like and this is what i hate this is this is where you

00:34:57.960 have to perform you perform your um you know what the restaurant has done to you okay and then it

00:35:05.640 you feel like a fake you feel like a like you know the person with a neck brace in court okay like

00:35:10.800 you know like look at my injury so you're like you're like call them over right so like you know

00:35:17.880 you call them over and it's almost like don't wipe your blood don't blow out your blood too

00:35:20.700 quick right right right right so then you're like like pulling your your lip down retain the shock

00:35:25.280 retain the shock retain the shock kriseva or whatever as you always say though the wound must

00:35:30.480 be open or whatever okay yeah but but but it comes over and you're like you need them to see but then

00:35:35.120 it becomes like so performative like you're trying to like juice up more blood you know and like so

00:35:39.960 what do you do now here's the thing what you said what you're saying the reason i you know i've had

00:35:44.180 i've had a number of things happen i don't think i've ever had a meal comped okay me neither for

00:35:48.400 example one time at a diner it was an omelette which has a smooth top so an omelette's table

00:35:54.060 i mean an omelette if something's on it you see it because what is it but a yellow bed you know

00:35:59.620 what i mean yeah yeah so a yellow divan divan okay so divan it rides over okay it rides through

00:36:07.460 the air no duvet is what covers your your comforter well i know but what's a duvon no i said

00:36:12.440 keep going divan divan oh got it keep going still don't get it actually okay it's like a sofa thing

00:36:17.840 okay anyway the the the so the omelet and it rides through the air which i really just want

00:36:23.120 to call out there's something interesting about the way that food rides through the air to get

00:36:26.840 to you i mean like in a restaurant on a plate i think it's kind of compelling like that it doesn't

00:36:31.240 ride along on a track like at the same level as your table except for in you know certain restaurants

00:36:35.700 Right. It's higher. It soars through the air, which is where it belongs. Right. Not up in the rafters where the dust is. Not low down where, you know, something could fall off.

00:36:44.680 Where the germs are. Whatever. Right. It's like, to me, it should be at about six feet air, ideally. I'll accept five. I think six feet is the appropriate height for a plate.

00:36:55.760 a steak freed at six feet in the air and you see it and you're trying towards you flying toward you

00:37:01.440 so sailing on the winds okay so the winds of chatter right yeah bellowing and it also has

00:37:07.380 to be above the aerosols generally speaking of of the chatters of the diner so all right it flies

00:37:12.880 towards me and what appeared it looks as if generally speaking my plate with my omelet and

00:37:18.000 my and my hash browns has been dragged through a coat closet on the way okay like it's like it's

00:37:24.780 like oh someone decided to push their way through a wall of coats together there's like there's like

00:37:30.180 a gray fuzz no and then there's something that looks like a busted up like like cigarette butt

00:37:35.460 no and i'm pretty sure there was a cigarette butt in my mouth okay at one point no stop at the diner

00:37:40.280 yes and that happened and then i've had multiple i repeat multiple industrial size staples stop okay

00:37:49.000 in my food at diners okay and i have a theory couldn't agree it's i think it's them going to

00:37:55.660 staple closed delivery items okay on a little wire shelf that i imagine a wire shelf that's

00:38:02.520 floating above where they're preparing my food and you know how you know how every 10 staples

00:38:07.500 you lose one due to you know inertia struggles and there's one that sort of you have to shake

00:38:13.320 out when it's like oh there's a busted one in there i feel like those are landing in our food

00:38:18.440 and and terrifying and then i hate calling them over it sucks there was a there was a full-sized

00:38:25.840 long hair twirled inside of a what i'll call a burger okay but i mean inside of the meat

00:38:33.080 a full-sized no i because i don't want to give it away it wasn't a burger but it was very similar

00:38:38.000 to a burger and i don't want to you know besmirch another restaurant because things happen i guess

00:38:42.000 okay you're saying this item is such a trademarked item that if you say it they're gonna go oh i'll

00:38:47.960 do it no i can't do it i can't do it i go there too often okay it's not one of the ones i've

00:38:52.000 named on the podcast so thank god um but yeah and it was and for some reason we didn't say anything

00:38:58.800 it was really weird it was like a reason i can't locate yeah it was like i think it was like i

00:39:05.880 understand that impulse you know the the will we be able to prove by the way we went into this that

00:39:10.520 it's not and you're like that's why you have to drop everything immediately and preserve so that

00:39:15.760 there's no. Exactly. Forensic. You need the coroner. We're going in hair nets from now on

00:39:20.340 to the restaurant. I'm dining in a hair net. I'm dining deeply hairless. Okay. Oh, I never speak

00:39:25.780 of a hair. I mean, endless hairs. Oh, I don't. Oh, there was a hair. Where was I? Yes. It's

00:39:32.120 constant. Listen, restaurants are hair central. I'm going to pause for this word. Disgusting.

00:39:37.580 Right. Okay. And you have to accept that if you're eating at a restaurant, which we love, 0.99

00:39:41.600 which is the purpose of being alive is to go to a restaurant yes it is you're and you're gonna

00:39:46.000 you're gonna ingest a few hairs get over it there's gonna be an eyelash in there there's

00:39:49.520 gonna be a hair oh there was an eyelash the other day you just have to move it past you just have to

00:39:53.020 move past it and go on the eyelash i was trying to say i didn't it's the price you pay and delivery

00:39:58.800 another one because i don't see your face i've noticed that oh yeah hair's just straight up poop 0.78

00:40:03.660 in there yeah i just decided hey this would be a convenient way to excrete some of my bodily fluids

00:40:09.860 and send them directly out of the restaurant instead of going to the bathroom well i go to 0.68

00:40:14.300 the bathroom when i can when i can piss in this person's soup i can secrete onto this

00:40:19.860 and i actually it's one of the few i mean it's devastating and i i don't know what to do because

00:40:27.300 like i i have this thing which will happen where it'll be like a place i order delivery from

00:40:31.940 every night for like three weeks okay like because like i eat the second i have something

00:40:36.160 and then there's like a negative experience like a hair or i a lot of pieces of plastic frankly

00:40:40.800 plastics everywhere okay little little shards of plastic i mean come on the microplastics constant

00:40:46.600 the way that we're ingesting microplastics you just have to get over it like a little corner of

00:40:51.020 a no i mean don't even get me started on tea bags i want to quickly interject the mesh tea bags you

00:40:55.760 know this like please this thing that emerged maybe in the last 15 years of like yes that the

00:40:59.320 elevated tea bag right that plastic mesh thing yes that is literally yes the pyramid the sacred

00:41:04.900 pyramids stuffed with the with the ancient herbs but it's like a flower in there yes that mesh

00:41:11.000 container of hell yes you you're pouring boiling water it's a it's a cup of plastic folks oh wow

00:41:17.660 the only way to safely drink tea unfortunately is to buy one of the little metal strainers

00:41:21.640 right have your own little herbs put them in their tea bags all of it no right it's it's what

00:41:27.200 What is tea, right?

00:41:29.220 It's boiling water, extracting whatever is the essence of any object.

00:41:35.540 So whatever you put in there, you've made plastic tea, for example.

00:41:38.960 So the mesh, the mesh bag that we all, ooh, look, you know, a nice hotel.

00:41:43.980 Ooh, a mesh tea bag.

00:41:45.480 It's a plastic, it's plastic soup.

00:41:47.140 Right.

00:41:47.420 Yeah.

00:41:47.720 Well, continue.

00:41:48.960 Well, the big one for me, another one that I ignore where I'm just like, is if I get

00:41:53.600 delivery um of a quart quart a quart of hot soup okay yeah from a chinese restaurant for example

00:42:01.280 right and they come so hot and they almost look boiling in the plastic plastic already looks

00:42:07.240 warped do you remember there was a dumpling store in the east village and i remember one time getting

00:42:11.360 this happens a lot actually on st mark hot dumplings maybe okay on say or like second or

00:42:16.720 something i don't know but styrofoam container hot hot hot hot fresh dumplings where i lift up

00:42:22.860 a dumpling and it tears with it entire bottom styrofoam the styrofoam has been melted and

00:42:30.860 completely attached i don't mean just clings and falls when you push it aside baked well did

00:42:36.720 welded welded welded to it well did as if oh my god and you know at that point you're just like

00:42:42.060 okay i just what the amount the things we have to ignore to continue i mean we just have to

00:42:47.180 constantly ignore well the luxury comes with the underbelly right yeah i mean it's it's like go on

00:42:54.620 sorry i interrupted no no there's nothing i just want to think of the more bad um more bad like

00:43:00.460 things that have happened in beautiful delicious food items because i'm like what are some other

00:43:05.940 ones staples plastic it's amazing it's like yeah i'm trying to think of things we forgive if

00:43:10.380 something if an experience is in some capacity overwhelmingly beautiful or luxurious or like

00:43:16.080 right there's a lot of pleasure the things you overlook are huge like at that point oh yeah like

00:43:20.820 the monstrous like i'm trying to think of an example well like when food falls off my plate

00:43:27.340 sometimes in a setting where chris would not lift it back up off the table and pop it in in his

00:43:33.720 mouth i do right and i don't i don't yell out i i pop things that fall on the table you do i do it

00:43:40.320 depends but i'm like i'm not convinced the table's any less clean than the plate the other day i was

00:43:44.840 a ball game believe it or not and i had a hot dog and the hot dog fell on the granite again here i

00:43:51.480 am revealing but i it was a box it was a box seat my first experience in the fancy box where they

00:43:57.640 give you a it better be your first or your skill okay i have sport is my third is my listen to this

00:44:03.020 is my third sports game in my entire life right and i possibly my fourth maximum fourth never

00:44:09.800 before have i been in the box seats right when you go up there there's a heat lamp with a tray

00:44:14.680 of endless hot dogs. Okay. Endless booze, endless Cracker Jacks, all of it. Okay. You know, I know

00:44:20.700 the hot dog even get me started on the dessert cart. Okay. So by the way, I was up there in

00:44:24.380 those box seats. I essentially know not or care not of sport, right? Like I don't like sports.

00:44:28.960 Like, like I just said, doesn't enter. I can understand kind of like the religiosity of it

00:44:33.400 and be like, this is fun, you know, but like it doesn't puncture me. I was punctured by the free

00:44:38.380 food. Of course, of course it's always been about the food for me to a point where I had, I had my

00:44:42.420 first i've never had white claw before i had two tall boys of white claw was quite simply trash i

00:44:47.740 did a handstand i got so excited because of the free food fell anyway i was euphoric and i was

00:44:53.680 sitting there in on the couch in the box seat and i thought you know what i would work for wells 0.76

00:44:59.380 fargo for 40 fucking years if once a year you got that you get the box seats i would never see my 0.90

00:45:05.380 family i was like i will i will travel across the globe i will see my children barely i will 0.99

00:45:11.680 barely know them. I mean, like, I will

00:45:13.740 give it all up for this.

00:45:15.920 Okay. And folks, folks,

00:45:17.720 we're interested. Okay. And we

00:45:19.640 don't care what event. We don't care

00:45:21.620 what's out there. It's not about looking behind the box. Wait, I have

00:45:23.700 a question. Is the box seats?

00:45:25.540 Because I'd actually, you know, also have never

00:45:27.620 experienced this. Is it

00:45:29.460 is there plexiglass? It was full, by the way,

00:45:31.540 full my best friend's wedding. It was shocking.

00:45:33.640 It was full my best friend's wedding. Actually, they're not

00:45:35.460 in box seats. Sorry, continue. What are you asking?

00:45:37.600 Like, I remember hearing about this sort

00:45:39.560 of thing at a concert. And then you go and you're like,

00:45:41.680 Like a Madison Square Garden, like there's this thing where it's treated as like, oh, these are the great seats or we have a whatever that's called the room.

00:45:49.080 OK, and then you go in and you're like, I'm sitting in a glass windowed room with like dark wood or like dark fake wood.

00:45:59.760 And you're watching like a concert separated from the concert.

00:46:04.060 Like, I'm not clear on why that's a better experience.

00:46:07.080 experience this is like you're up high right and then you're there are the seats which are outside

00:46:11.960 you're still outside right you're still outside the seats are outside and then right there there's

00:46:15.760 like a little room that you can go in oh that's where all the free stuff is well i'm fine with

00:46:20.140 having a room that i have to i'm fine with going indoors in order to secure my food yeah okay and

00:46:24.980 then bring it back out i mean chris and i went to like the first like vax like like la big concert

00:46:30.820 like vax la or vax vax globe whatever and we got the hubris we thought it was over i realized in

00:46:37.500 horror that while there were food stands open we weren't allowed to bring them to our

00:46:42.300 seat and eat there and i realized that i would be at the seat without food and that to me going to a

00:46:49.260 stadium is like is about like to me there's like adrenaline and fear about will i secure it okay

00:46:55.500 everything from the lines the food the timing to the making the right choice to bringing it back

00:47:00.440 precariously to my seat the thrill of the hunt okay that's awakened in me in that context and

00:47:05.740 then just sit down and sort of chris and i ended up with these hot dogs and we ended up like with

00:47:09.880 all this stuff on them and then like ended up just like hunched over a random ledge you know

00:47:15.620 when you're choosing a ledge like you're just looking for a surface to eat something because

00:47:19.420 like there's nowhere you're not and there's a lot of joy in that there's a kind of joy right to the

00:47:24.140 the hunch desperation but it's relative it's like i hate to stand i i mean i don't mind eating

00:47:33.300 something while walking if it's an ice cream i don't like eating while walking no i hate it

00:47:39.020 yeah oh you know what happened we'll leave but i just want to say i went i went randomly to a

00:47:45.340 you know like mr softy like ice cream kind of thing and a truck i recognized the guy from a

00:47:51.080 good 10 years ago oh nothing better than that and we weren't even in the same location i go

00:47:55.920 did you used to park on 14th and you know whatever no no yes and i go did you give me a little tattoo

00:48:02.720 a little like like tattoo with an ice cream cone on it and you used to make me a special

00:48:07.580 sort of chocolate milk cake chocolate milkshake slash smoothie thing that a fruit and a little

00:48:12.780 chocolate ice cream in it no no and his his face lit up and it was just spectacular you know that

00:48:20.240 That is, I mean, there's nothing.

00:48:22.280 Welcome to New York City, folks.

00:48:23.700 Welcome to New York City.

00:48:24.540 Welcome to New York City.

00:48:25.240 I mean, that is beautiful.

00:48:26.580 Okay, what a nice memory to go out on.

00:48:28.780 Okay.

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