Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Deep in Coach

00:00:00.760 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:00:02.340 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:00:03.440 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:00:08.160 Two uncamable intellects.

00:00:09.940 This is our hobby. 0.99

00:00:10.780 This is our hell.

00:00:11.640 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:00:13.940 This is POOG.

00:00:15.360 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:00:17.520 True gray.

00:00:18.620 Confetti. 1.00

00:00:19.560 Know your bitch. 1.00

00:00:24.760 Hello. 1.00

00:00:25.360 Happy birthday to you.

00:00:28.360 Happy birthday to you

00:00:32.360 Happy birthday dear Jacqueline

00:00:36.340 That an easy song

00:00:37.280 Happy birthday to you

00:00:40.580 Thank you

00:00:44.380 Tonight we're getting margaritas

00:00:46.220 Tonight we're getting margaritas

00:00:48.400 Tonight we're getting margaritas

00:00:49.060 We're going to sit and we'll laugh

00:00:51.300 Being with friends

00:00:55.400 Exactly

00:00:57.600 many more imagine to be fully premenstrual on one's birthday no i have landed okay or you've

00:01:06.200 landed but when you go wow i survived my own birthday while getting through the day while

00:01:11.460 it's pretty incredible i'm gonna drop any day and i this morning i was on a walk with my partner and

00:01:17.280 i said i was like you know it's interesting i'm feeling really angry oh wait a lot of

00:01:21.300 Toilet in the shot. That's just too much, right?

00:01:23.560 I don't see it. Oh, yeah.

00:01:25.820 Hold on.

00:01:27.000 While you go close the door, I'll tell the listener, my spider caught something huge.

00:01:32.680 I'm looking over. My spider caught, again, I was out when she actually caught it,

00:01:38.080 but it's definitely like a butterfly, which is devastating.

00:01:42.020 A winged, maybe a moth or maybe a small butterfly whipped into the cocoon.

00:01:48.260 And I just Googled what do spiders do with their prey?

00:01:50.880 and apparently they'll capture it and drag it back to secure home base.

00:01:56.800 I honestly, I'm not sure I realized they left the web.

00:02:00.820 They leave the web.

00:02:01.660 I kind of thought they just lay in wait.

00:02:03.840 She's been hanging out in the center, but I just walk out here and I go, 0.98

00:02:07.280 holy shit, it's the biggest thing she's caught so far. 0.97

00:02:10.540 Wow. 0.99

00:02:11.100 Anyway, back to your birthday. 1.00

00:02:13.100 This is called Know Your Bitch because I did not pressure you. 1.00

00:02:17.540 I texted Jacqueline for her birthday and I said, 0.98

00:02:19.800 hey but any you want to get together you want to get dinner and jacqueline was like thank you for

00:02:25.900 i forgot what you said you're like because you're like i called off till now

00:02:29.000 because like a week and a half ago you're talking about and i was like i'm not you know it's just

00:02:33.640 the fundamental my fundamental thing is like i'm unprepared for like three hours from now so it's

00:02:38.120 like i'm constantly outrunning the future whereas you are put at ease by planning it yeah and your

00:02:45.880 mood lifts by having plans in the future yeah um it's like it's like almost anyway anyway but but

00:02:56.480 so I was like thankful that I didn't have to kind of suffer birthday anxiety all week in the form of

00:03:02.040 hey got any plans yet it was like oh no I'm not thinking about it during it's almost like get

00:03:07.540 through the birthday itself now the spell is gone then I can think about I was like maybe next week

00:03:12.960 i'll put i'll put together an event imagine right days later some people do that point is most people

00:03:18.600 do that i mean it's fine if you don't no but i mean it's fine if you don't it's not like i've 1.00

00:03:22.140 asked anyway know your bitch and i go thank you for you know not bringing it upon me and then 0.83

00:03:29.620 you know so it was so great i think i've said this before but but last year at like midnight i was 0.98

00:03:35.000 like chris and i were on the phone with you know our friend paul who i always talk about on here

00:03:38.560 And, and, um, the one who said the YSLs were an A minus and we didn't have to be that bad upset when we didn't get the Ferragamos, even though we ran back for them.

00:03:48.840 Okay.

00:03:49.220 Yeah.

00:03:49.480 So we were on Paul and he was like, yeah, he was like, he was like, maybe now you have 365 days to relax, like until the next one kind of, you know, like, and it's like, you know, oh, I'm still working on my birthday post because last year when I was in London, you know, raging, you know,

00:04:08.140 mood and I mean it's just it's a modern you know I don't even want to say the word modern it's a

00:04:14.860 spell as Carolyn Mace would say the insanity of the birthday it's absolutely deranged yeah right

00:04:23.440 totally that we're sensitive about our birthday that we're about the birthday we don't care we

00:04:26.860 do care it's like what and I think it's just that it's one of the most profound beaten into you

00:04:32.640 you know from the time you're three someone grabbing you and saying it's your birthday

00:04:37.820 it's your birthday tomorrow's your birthday today's your birthday you're the birthday next

00:04:41.140 week's your birthday what are you gonna do for your birthday okay how's your birthday happy

00:04:44.540 birthday when you say your birthday and your birthday was about three and a half weeks ago

00:04:48.560 oh yeah this is what happened by the way okay i was on a zoom and the camera's so wide and chris

00:04:55.100 snuck in while i was on a meeting and i he thinks he's off camera and so i'm just acknowledging

00:05:00.340 and they were like they like screamed there's like a man in the background that's so funny to

00:05:04.700 be clear to the listener there's a mirror propped up so you can see well behind Jacqueline anyway

00:05:08.940 the spell of the birthday but last year I posted from London a birthday post raging emotion I was

00:05:13.660 like I'm screaming like the c-word out of a cab just like arbitrarily high emotion yeah yeah point 1.00

00:05:19.300 is I owe them a birthday post this year I was very chill I was like nothing whatever just I just want 1.00

00:05:24.080 to flow through my day I assembled a catio screen door for boo I just you know I just chilled and

00:05:32.000 then i don't know it whatever anyway but i'll see you tonight but but go on go on sorry i was gonna

00:05:36.940 say it's weird that you either have to claim you're either a birthday princess mine's my birthday

00:05:40.760 or you have to be i don't care no right whereas of course the reality somewhere in the middle

00:05:46.340 we can't tolerate those in-betweens can we and yet no we can't that's where we live the gray

00:05:53.580 and yet the gray or the kind of kind of flickering black and white black and white black and white

00:05:58.620 flickering to produce a kind of experience of gray right yeah yeah you know is it true gray

00:06:05.540 or is it it's hard to say or is that a wild toggling have you seen have you seen there's a

00:06:14.700 you know it's one of these illusions that the brain produces okay saw this on instagram once

00:06:22.320 a video where i'm trying to remember how they do this but it's like they rapidly show pictures of

00:06:28.540 faces okay and the faces are normal but and then they have a dot like over to the side or they're

00:06:33.760 upside down i forgot there's something kind and they're just like focus on the green dot you know 0.89

00:06:37.320 in the corner okay and the faces flash i hate that kind of shit and they go it scares me yeah 0.86

00:06:44.160 and then it's a thing the brain does for i forget why maybe it has something to do with peripheral 0.98

00:06:48.620 danger i don't know but it distorts the faces in a way where you it looks like no that they put

00:06:54.260 pictures of monsters there they switched it out from oh my god no i want to see that actually now

00:06:59.280 cover the now cover you know watch it again and cover the green dot and it is regular it's really

00:07:03.460 cool i actually would like to see that i do like those things there was one didn't put it in the

00:07:07.520 newsletter that would be a good thing drop in the newsletter wasn't there a thing i sent you that

00:07:10.960 was like confetti like if you hold one you close one eye and then you put it close to your phone

00:07:16.060 look like snow or something i don't know i that one didn't work for me i couldn't figure out what

00:07:20.120 it weirdly worked but i uh i yeah i texted you because i go maybe it's time for me to try a

00:07:30.220 little botox oh yeah maybe it's time but jumi my you know the facialist that i'm so blessed to 0.95

00:07:38.420 to see on occasion when i was grumpy talking about pre-master like everyone looks like shit 0.97

00:07:43.500 yeah totally no totally i was just like everyone looks like shit like jumi song who's who's a 0.98

00:07:48.680 genius here in los angeles who japanese gorgeous microcurrent facial and jimmy who i really trust 0.89

00:07:54.520 with my life trust with her with my life beautiful so beautiful so calm she's like no yeah and which

00:08:01.660 i was like so relieved because i've gone to other people who are like we could do this and we could

00:08:05.400 do that you know and i leave scared right she's literally like take a bath relax she's what were

00:08:10.700 you saying 11s or something yeah or just kind of like oh and all of that stuff i but a week i have

00:08:16.520 to say something a week of dryness you and i were together on an incredible trip that we'll be

00:08:20.540 exploring i took a vana cream moisturizer which i'm sorry it wasn't rich enough it was too thin

00:08:25.180 and you're you're in the sun you're in the pool you know it's drying even if you're i mean you're

00:08:29.780 in such a hot climate you think oh i don't need a thick moisturizer yes you're in a desert climate

00:08:34.080 kind of yeah and then like and then a week later you're sobbing and like you know crying just ages

00:08:38.980 you instantly and i really feel the dryness being away from my i'm sorry my dew skin instant angel

00:08:46.360 moisturizer i really angel is very what you know the emollient right yeah i don't even know if

00:08:55.160 that's what i mean but i think it is you know that's that you know thick and you do that a top

00:08:59.900 you let i don't know an essence or that thin gel an essence and then the instant and then lock with

00:09:05.760 the instant land i feel like i'm already my skin is better from just moisturizing for a few days

00:09:10.920 exactly i have to figure out this line this this marionette line this here well which is also

00:09:16.120 tension oh my god by the way let's play a game okay are you you're not going to stick your

00:09:22.120 fingers in your mouth probably not right now but all right try this one i'll do a buckle

00:09:26.200 oh my god on the outside and feel you can feel the muscular tension i know no i know it is grab

00:09:31.880 it even down here okay right where you're talking and then and then yeah you feel all around you go

00:09:38.340 well i'm actually surprised there isn't more heat application around

00:09:43.280 feels good to the face where you know okay guys melt it yeah yeah you know what i got

00:09:49.520 a fascia blaster i knew you'd be excited ten dollars serious and it for the skull because

00:09:54.560 i saw a whole thing that the headache scalp tension yes no yes oh it's pulling on the face

00:10:01.120 so you release the scalp you got release the soul well what's her name and you release so

00:10:06.840 what's her name um beauty anastasia okay i really like want to like just do one of her classes i

00:10:12.500 just like i don't think she's rules because i don't know i have to know she talked about her

00:10:17.400 well i hope he acknowledged her because she actually like went and did real study

00:10:21.540 no he loves her just like okay good she went and did real study with this guy like this like

00:10:27.040 yeah okay and okay so this this is not a great the great angle okay so this is like

00:10:32.600 this is like i told you it's all angles back getting a clear if this should look like she's 0.99

00:10:38.700 getting birthday head right now this should not be in any video okay okay so so anyway but she

00:10:47.600 does the whole um what do they always say there's a there's like an interesting word for it they're

00:10:52.560 like um oh aponeurosis because it just sounds like ridiculous but anyway anyway like yeah like

00:11:00.000 You release that whole thing, man. 0.86

00:11:02.320 You get an egg washout.

00:11:03.480 I got a $10 fascial thing.

00:11:07.800 I'll show it.

00:11:08.220 We'll drop it in the newsletter. 0.97

00:11:09.540 It feels fucking good. 0.98

00:11:10.980 It feels so good. 0.96

00:11:11.960 Just rolling it and putting it on the, what's it called?

00:11:14.940 The occipital?

00:11:16.240 Yeah.

00:11:17.180 Jinx.

00:11:17.980 It feels so good.

00:11:19.740 I wonder if it's occipital because it is Occidental College.

00:11:22.600 I think it is like ox.

00:11:23.600 I don't know.

00:11:26.180 Anyway.

00:11:27.020 I'm so excited.

00:11:27.740 i'm hanging i'm hanging from my own clavicles right now look oh yeah

00:11:30.920 but i want to i oh you know what i guess guess what get away i'll sit up okay 0.99

00:11:37.380 blowjob's over now okay i'll say you can go yeah yeah she came okay so so um you know what i want 0.98

00:11:47.940 to do in los angeles what silks aerial silks i want to hang from silks okay i know i'll love it 0.97

00:11:55.340 You know what I'm talking about?

00:11:56.280 Doing yoga hanging in a silk?

00:11:57.780 No, no, I did.

00:11:58.740 Well, you see, I don't love that.

00:12:00.720 That's very you. 1.00

00:12:01.940 I did happen to do a wall yoga class with Jacqueline where she was hanging upside down from the straps.

00:12:08.580 I was really impressed.

00:12:09.640 It's not, it's just for whatever reason, I kind of like it.

00:12:13.440 It scares me.

00:12:13.940 I have a trust issue with the wall.

00:12:15.240 I feel like it's going to pop out.

00:12:16.580 I know that it won't, but I just don't.

00:12:18.900 I saw you trusting the wall in a way where I was like, wow, she's really going for it.

00:12:21.600 Yeah, I was trusting.

00:12:22.340 I mean, you got to trust the wall just as you trust the floor, right?

00:12:25.340 you know what I was having and again this is against I know you don't like this but I just

00:12:28.840 now I have this fantasy I was like can't imagine what I don't like it's coming my way well I got

00:12:36.440 excited I like what knowing me knowing some stuff we've been doing lately what do you think I'd

00:12:41.040 push you to do in the next few days maybe hike yep because like me coming home going like well

00:12:47.520 anyway I'll talk about it later yeah I'll sleep over but but um I'll go and pick him up for a

00:12:53.040 Like, imagine I roll up, imagine I'm hearing the flow out of your mouth.

00:12:57.960 I could literally start crying.

00:12:59.140 But yeah, imagine me rolling up at such, such an appropriate hour.

00:13:03.380 You pick me up.

00:13:03.740 You pick me up.

00:13:04.380 I'll go anywhere.

00:13:05.160 8 a.m.

00:13:06.640 You can make me up even earlier.

00:13:07.800 8.30.

00:13:08.580 Oh, okay.

00:13:09.060 When I'm earlier, yeah.

00:13:10.260 Beat the heat.

00:13:11.520 Beat the heat.

00:13:12.660 Well, actually, I have been once again considering, what if I lived on, crazy idea, folks, New

00:13:18.460 York time while living in Los Angeles.

00:13:20.920 Interesting.

00:13:21.620 Okay.

00:13:21.800 i'm up with my people the new yorkers okay i'm conducting business you're in the market

00:13:26.700 and then and then market opens at what yeah okay two nine a.m eastern wait is that true yeah i 0.55

00:13:34.280 think that's true i'm on london time i have to be up when the market's up that's a that's a sex

00:13:39.380 in the city shout out to an episode yes with the mean husband he makes an appearance in exactly one

00:13:44.920 episode yeah um oh wait what my spider right now i just want to make a note i want to make a note

00:13:52.240 later to remind you to talk about um her facial expression i saw kate make recently

00:13:56.240 and went like this out of context you're out of context kate oh yeah out of context kate okay

00:14:01.920 okay but will you remember to tell the story dinner tonight i am actually i've already been

00:14:09.560 planning it i've already been planning it because i'm like tonight i'm already aware

00:14:13.980 i get to the email i get the email 6 a.m you're like you're like dinner you're so you know you

00:14:20.740 know i talked to jacqueline at 8 50 this morning 6 p.m question mark because i woke up getting so

00:14:26.200 excited knowing yeah yeah you're like margaritas um there is nothing quite like when the moment

00:14:32.960 when the margaritas arrive yeah um so no but i was going to go to a birthday showing of insidious

00:14:41.460 but i got too freaking tired and i yeah i don't know if i mean insidious is you know i love the

00:14:48.380 insidious franchise i've been singing its praises never seen it i do think i've been very scared but

00:14:53.540 i do think we should see other mommy in theaters definitely considering i looks fabulous screamed

00:14:59.640 folks i repeat i screamed and my whole body jumped during the trailer for other mommy which we saw

00:15:07.520 this is what i'm trying to say this is why horror matters okay well i was thinking of you i'll tell

00:15:13.840 you what matters the television show the americans which i've heard about for years have you watched

00:15:18.100 it how dare you how dare you okay okay okay i know john the americans okay okay i love it so

00:15:25.560 stan beeman i would be by noah emmerich i'm only talking about stan beeman he's a neighbor

00:15:30.720 anyway okay oh he's fabulous i mean i think obviously this is what i told you i go i go

00:15:34.980 you tell me you love felicity okay you say she's our greatest actress well hello welcome to the

00:15:41.120 americans okay russell to me and i said last night i said last night her voice her voice is in my

00:15:50.980 blood yeah i hear her talk on a somatic level i change felicity i was exactly of age yeah phenomenal

00:15:58.600 show phenomenal performance she is one of the most beautiful women that's ever existed i happen to be

00:16:03.480 at the new york at lincoln center you saw her live seeing annie clark aka saint vincent perform

00:16:10.440 the philharmonic beautiful show yes and rushing through the lobby who walks towards me carrie

00:16:16.080 and i she is a big one for me you don't mean do you mean wait wait did you talk to her no

00:16:20.880 oh no walks towards you like on the way to the bathroom so they're just like in the crowd yeah

00:16:24.240 yeah no she comes up to me she goes i'm a hag no but she is so it happens folks listen here's a 1.00

00:16:31.040 term i hate aging gracefully right yeah because fuck off right yeah fuck off go to hell actually 1.00

00:16:36.620 have a lot to say about that but listen okay okay because i've seen some but she is so beautiful 0.99

00:16:43.620 and she's someone i don't know what's going on she looks like herself yeah she looks like

00:16:49.040 yes this is this is nature she looks like a piece of nature like a beautiful piece of nature

00:16:56.520 which is what women which is what we all should strive for but you know it's like she's undergoing 1.00

00:17:02.320 the natural process of life i'm sure she's getting the best fucking facials and whatever the fuck 0.99

00:17:06.800 shit you can get on this on god's green earth but i just feel excited when people and i do think 0.99

00:17:12.560 everyone should read the gia tolantino wrote a fabulous piece on um like instagram face and 0.99

00:17:18.220 kind of plastic surgery and all this and she's you know i love her um i haven't read that but

00:17:24.820 but of course i've read stuff it's like you know it's like when you get to the like uh the secondary

00:17:30.140 media before it's like i'm on like in like substack and it's like referencing the thing

00:17:34.140 haven't even gotten to the oh of course it's like referencing trick mirror yeah yeah but it's like

00:17:39.040 no i'm not saying you're referencing it i'm just saying i'm saying i know what you're saying

00:17:42.800 oh so so of course but you know i saw something recently and there were two things there were two

00:17:51.860 things where you know because this is like very me right you know how sometimes i'm very very

00:17:56.440 protective of like like i really and i just i have to follow my own soul right like i don't like

00:18:01.100 always to like say the name even if it's like a celebrity right what do you mean though well i'm

00:18:06.040 about to tell just i'm about to acknowledge like something i saw in the news or whatever okay sure

00:18:10.780 and like or or something i saw like a celebrity say and i just don't want to be talking about

00:18:15.720 them on the podcast i want to talk about what they said okay and so if you know you know and

00:18:20.060 you know all right yeah i saw someone you know doing a come clean you know talk talk you know

00:18:27.600 as is the trend now right everyone talks about this is what i do yeah and you know they and now

00:18:33.960 and they it's like you know the new thing seems to be get your facelift and get your personal

00:18:39.780 lasse out there right it's or whatever get the facelift and do the do the and say you know i

00:18:46.660 never thought i'd do it right it's it's almost right there's this whole kind of so you know

00:18:50.580 you're talking about yeah keep going i'm not but there's so many at this point that i'm actually

00:18:54.520 like yeah it's borderline no no it's good no it's really trying to throw you off the set you have to

00:18:58.660 do the press release about the thing here here's here's it's not an objection i just want to

00:19:04.820 acknowledge that you know you go how i'm a feminist i want to raise my children to believe

00:19:10.420 blah blah blah blah blah and da da da da and then comes the but right and then you go here's the

00:19:15.840 good stuff right what's coming after the but right like what is the and it's it's not you know and i

00:19:21.060 hear this from other people okay too it's not that i look old and i don't like that i look old it's

00:19:26.540 that i look sad tired no no we're sad okay like so they're like saying like you know it's just

00:19:34.740 that like i look like you know when my face is and i cut and it's kind of like to me like yeah

00:19:40.460 that's what looking all it looks looks like yeah it pulls it's not because it's fundamentally like

00:19:46.520 it's like you know what it is exactly here's the metaphor i'm looking for

00:19:51.000 okay it's like in the jerk like like steve martin it's like it's like um when he's i'm not upset we 0.89

00:19:57.480 lost the money it's all the stuff or whatever i'm doing a lot yeah yeah but where you're saying the 0.89

00:20:01.840 same it's the same thing right yes it's like it's that's yeah that's why people don't like it if

00:20:07.040 if looking old meant turn you know it's not about looking old it's about looking sad if looking old

00:20:12.260 meant suddenly your face turned into someone else's face okay a gorgeous other person's face

00:20:17.020 you know you're not like i'm not myself anymore right it's like yeah anyway it's just so it's

00:20:22.760 kind of this it's god ricky lake has a good work are you poking around or no no no my look my arms

00:20:31.780 are well what's interesting i'm just reflecting imagine she did she did my arms are crossed

00:20:36.120 because a new thing she did a big here's my plastic surgeon and here's what i did and

00:20:39.840 she takes fatty 15 i remember or was it 13 um and i remember sorry but oh my god this is

00:20:46.940 just i was like i wish you could see i'm gonna stop talking about it guys but my spider

00:20:50.300 is wildly spinning what has to be a moth or a small butterfly like this

00:20:55.080 wrapping it up wrapping it up into this cocoon it's just

00:20:58.980 the force with which it's like speed bag oh my god oh my god it's unbelievable yeah it's like

00:21:04.080 by the way i'm thinking of going to boxing i'll go with you i wonder if i could shoot it from

00:21:08.620 here by the way three days three days back on the stimulant aerial silks and boxing are on the

00:21:13.940 table suddenly oh my god i'm getting footage i'm getting footage it's kind of grainy oh my god but

00:21:18.120 it'll give you an idea trigger warning for the arachnophobes okay before we um post that okay 1.00

00:21:22.920 i do think you'll be excited to see it oh my god look at her go yes bitch go go 0.99

00:21:29.080 whoa imagine you found out the spider was my hand okay aren't they all girls no no i mean the the 0.99

00:21:37.420 the web girls are the web girls i think are yeah i'm just saying that's what i mean like like

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00:28:56.660 will take care of you. So I'm just back on the same point from before. I'm just thinking, but

00:29:03.960 it's like, it's like, it's not that I have a problem with, with, with looking old. I just

00:29:07.760 don't want to look right gargoyle yeah you know you know it's like yeah it's like that's what it

00:29:13.300 is I just don't want you know I know you know it's just um but but beauty like like you know

00:29:20.880 it's Vivian Westwood it's exhausting when when you're about to state what couldn't be more of

00:29:25.860 a cliche right but these cliches you have to unpack you have to go deeper okay and ask yourself

00:29:32.600 what because they mean different okay here we go here's what I'm trying to say the disconnect we

00:29:37.440 have here here okay I've got it it might take a few sentences all right to find my way

00:29:42.640 because then I lost it all right so if someone says like age is beautiful okay like an aging

00:29:51.220 face is beautiful right I think like we need to see the beauty okay in the aging face all that

00:29:57.800 right smile lines are beautiful all this there's a condescension and there's a oh we're we're

00:30:04.620 upsetting the thing. We all know it looks bad. And that's why we're saying, actually, there's

00:30:09.100 beauty and it looks like shit. Okay. Yeah. That's not it. Okay. That's like, um, that, that, that 0.99

00:30:17.140 ain't it. Okay. That, that, that's not what we need. That's annoying. All right. What about

00:30:22.560 actually perceiving literal beauty? Like going, no, that's beautiful. I don't mean that's beautiful

00:30:31.280 because it's hideous and hideousness has meaning you see what i'm saying there's a big difference 0.99

00:30:36.840 there's like like just to take it out of the realm of of women and whatever consider my cat

00:30:42.620 blossom you know also known as snoozer back in the day snook you know when she was 23 right and 0.59

00:30:49.520 looked elderly unbelievable she the beauty okay the beat the flat out beauty it was literally

00:30:57.660 its own beauty it was not a it wasn't like a hashtag brave you know what i mean like oh i

00:31:04.360 felt just seeing my my 95 year old aunt like beauty it's a specific it's a specific type of

00:31:12.420 beauty yeah and it's beauty nonetheless and like you know it's just it's not the you know tiara on

00:31:19.540 you know you know the isn't she gorgeous yeah and it's it's not it's like you know i'm actually

00:31:27.920 saying it's beautiful it's not post chimp attack you're reducing to one pointer finger and one

00:31:32.820 tooth and they put a tiara on you and go isn't she oh she looks beautiful that's that's rude

00:31:40.020 that's yeah that's um there's there's so much there's something like that happening recently

00:31:45.800 where i felt that um i felt much like like the tooth and the um index finger you know and

00:31:54.840 by the way higher dose blanket i come in so i wake up early in the morning and i decide i'm

00:31:59.920 gonna do the stack okay of the pmf mat right these are some of our biggest you're gonna lay

00:32:03.680 on the pmf and then and then and then lay the blanket on top of me you did it because they

00:32:07.720 actually show that on the thing i did it last night and then i sort of fell asleep like that

00:32:11.560 and then like stumbled to bed but then I think I must have kicked it on really late to the 12

00:32:16.200 hour so the PEMF mat was was on all night on very low heat which is fine yeah I come in booze laying

00:32:23.000 on it okay in the morning and it's like the sweetest thing because it's like you know he

00:32:27.700 found it right like he's using he found it he recognized what was up yeah and then I turned

00:32:33.060 on the ions for him because he was he was only you know the ions turn off ions why would you not

00:32:37.880 have ions on it's the the only thing that runs automatically for 12 hours or three hours or one

00:32:43.860 is the heat setting so i couldn't i had it on the night before it that shuts off quicker

00:32:48.260 i would have had ions on for him and he was welcome to turn them on himself

00:32:53.060 by the way i've been training him with my clicker oh you've seen it right so now i get him to click

00:32:58.320 here treat here so now i hold the clicker and he taps my no yeah my pa i thought i think i sent it

00:33:04.740 you you're in the mid system stuff because i didn't get the reaction oh yeah i didn't understand

00:33:08.340 what was going on no yeah yeah that's why you know you know i gotta video it more um look i'm

00:33:13.040 completely turned around in a full trunk recording turn stretch yeah what if we this is just just

00:33:19.260 for fun okay hold on imagine if we recorded in a full seated stretch all right so take this

00:33:28.960 one of these half the episode is you know up yeah around and then look heaven hello hi

00:33:38.080 would the people feel it and then and then for the second half of the ep i'm over here

00:33:44.520 around i think they might feel the glance don't you love the you know what i'm talking about yoga

00:33:49.740 seated and you're twisted folks okay yeah and you're you're looking and you're in this noble

00:33:55.180 twist looking off i always think that's one of the most beautiful yeah it feels good it really

00:34:00.640 it feels like a swan yeah it feels like you're really presenting yourself i don't feel like a

00:34:05.360 swan when i'm doing that i feel like sorry okay wait i need to turn off imagining someone thinking

00:34:10.820 that not to brag but i need to turn off my ac because it's freezing cold one second you mean

00:34:15.340 because i live without ac let me find something i wanted to share this week a reading i'll read a

00:34:23.180 little prayer i found in a book right now oh no it's it's multiple pages

00:34:26.640 well this is what i'll do i'll separate it out over a few weeks

00:34:32.260 prayer to see prayer to see okay i opened untie the strong woman again and i saw what was the

00:34:42.340 beginning of this prayer i was like oh a little prayer i could read for kate so she could you

00:34:46.700 know and then i turn the page and see it's longer but we're not going to read the whole thing i'm

00:34:50.700 going to read four short lines this week and everyone's going to digest them okay and everyone's

00:34:56.480 gonna you know and then and then it'll expand you know week after week okay so you're ready yep okay

00:35:03.400 prayer to see and this is coming from clarissa pincola estes

00:35:09.880 best-selling author of women around the wolves all right

00:35:14.080 may we ever leave the unlit tangle we've gotten ourselves into

00:35:20.120 again the one complete with blinders not of our making or shutters we've studiously hand hammered

00:35:28.480 over time oof one more a little confused but continue well i could i could check the well

00:35:37.360 because this is sorry because i could check the just imagine them going i'm clocking this i'm

00:35:43.480 clocking the celsius on top of the stimulus jacqueline you might want to pull back a little

00:35:47.360 bit okay she's excited all right because there's a what's coming next is the may we instead and

00:35:56.560 then it's the length of much longer okay i'm saying but i actually think this is cool if we

00:36:01.800 start with the we start with the negative and reflect on it for a week see what i'm saying

00:36:07.380 so like may we ever leave the unlit tangle we've gotten ourselves into again okay i like that okay

00:36:13.600 the one complete with blinders not of our making or shutters we've studiously hand hammered over

00:36:18.860 time okay okay so that to me means both i could be reading it because or not nor but i think it's

00:36:27.240 saying the blinders other people put on us or ideas or whatever or the shutters that we've

00:36:33.360 hand hammered studiously i think so i think it's those that are you know our responsibility and

00:36:39.040 those that aren't or whatever so we'll sit with that this week folks sit with it sit sit sit with

00:36:45.380 it i'm trying a new spindrift flavor not my favorite cosmopolitan they were out of punch

00:36:51.420 island wow we've got cranberry orange and lime to think you've never had in all these years my dad

00:36:59.220 fix you a cosmo but your dad does cosmos yes he's been doing it for like 15 20 years i love

00:37:05.680 at this point i know and and he makes a good one okay and it rocks you know he's stuck to it you

00:37:15.040 know and and people requested that's really fun and i knew you would love it i knew you'd love

00:37:20.520 that well so really quickly the americans there's actually not much i want to say just that last

00:37:26.940 night it was really fun because i think we were on the third episode of the first season i would

00:37:30.840 consider a re-watch simultaneously to you it's heaven we're ready it's been years for us okay

00:37:35.080 yeah totally and then i did a thing where i i really we were in a moment i paused it and i said

00:37:42.000 i just want to say this is a great show and i pressed play it was like i had to just i had to

00:37:48.700 go they don't make them like this anymore there's a level it is the right recent wrestle the writing

00:37:54.820 recent wrestle and then knowing of course that they were falling in love is adds a certain

00:38:02.900 dimension a certain subtext because they were right at that time yeah i don't know i don't

00:38:08.460 know what season they they got together but they got together and then we used to see actor noah

00:38:15.780 emmerich sometimes on the upper west side okay when chris and i lived there walking around the

00:38:21.040 neighborhood where we were neighborhood eccentrics because all you know all all day long we're

00:38:25.660 walking around and we look like you know sort of like slobs and so anyway point is we felt like

00:38:32.500 we were known you know chris had long hair okay yeah yeah um and and occasionally don't want to

00:38:40.300 blow up where he lived okay you know six years ago but and he might not have even lived there

00:38:47.300 but upper west side you see nora emmerich and you go goddamn i'm glad to be a new yorker 0.93

00:38:52.700 okay you go you go we love the show stan beeman all the way okay you said it or whatever i think 0.83

00:38:58.460 so i'm trying to remember did we yell out stan beeman what did it not i can't remember if this

00:39:03.400 ever happened honestly okay it might have just been like now i can't remember if i even saw him

00:39:08.620 yeah chris saw him and it's so hard in my mind yeah that counts in a way i think we know i think

00:39:14.560 we did a i think we did a what i like to think of as a new york you know it's not it's not la where

00:39:21.380 you have to banana banana out and back away like what do you know why i'll remember cut to okay 0.99

00:39:27.040 terminology of banana out but she's Emmy nominated oh yeah she's not some freak she's

00:39:36.160 Emmy nominated yeah yeah um but New York to me this is so important you shouldn't even have to

00:39:44.000 do that in New York because the understanding is we're all New Yorkers we're all on our way

00:39:47.260 somewhere right and it's sort of like it should be assumed a New Yorker isn't going to bother you

00:39:53.480 and I think for the most part it is yeah so it's like I feel like in New York it's a little more

00:39:56.720 like you give a little nod almost like you know like it's kind of just like love your work you

00:40:01.800 know like it's just an acknowledgement that's the respect i tell the generations okay enough

00:40:08.600 with the gossip okay go to a dinner and see a celebrity next to yourself and don't listen and

00:40:15.360 i mean that's what's yeah guys if you move to new york you have a chance to have a little

00:40:23.280 self-respect and go i'm a new yorker yeah i eat in restaurants with other with with people i admire

00:40:29.220 okay i was because i'm a new yorker freaking friend lebowitz sat down next to me and yeah

00:40:36.060 i was performing the whole dinner for her and she didn't notice yeah yes we shared a banquette

00:40:40.920 bench must have caught yes we say you must have caught some of the hilariousness no way also

00:40:45.640 because it's so cool it was you know loud and it was of course straining to keep my eyes on my

00:40:51.700 dining partner do you remember who you were no with because were you with someone else who would

00:40:57.180 be able to deliver at your level like it was like not like you was with john or something okay but

00:41:03.080 drone wouldn't be drone wouldn't be aggressively performing in the same way that we would yeah

00:41:08.560 totally so you didn't have to compete no i would imagine drone brilliant director he would be able

00:41:14.700 to give you the yeah give you just what you needed to shine um these muscles okay if you get in

00:41:21.560 there it's just it's just i had the dream where a massage artist said um god you're tight while

00:41:31.380 working the traps and i was like unusually so you know like right right now wait that why i'm

00:41:38.220 i have a question yes do you think this is a huge question i think i know the answer for you

00:41:43.420 do you think we eat inside or out i'm sorry no assuming you're oh no tonight's inside sorry

00:41:51.240 i'm saying do you think it's not a good idea to say out loud like for example yeah i do yeah

00:41:59.040 yeah yeah yeah because i have a plan i want to do it talking about you don't know what i'm talking

00:42:03.640 about though oh no no that's not what i'm saying oh no i'm saying like for example there's something

00:42:08.820 i kind of want to share it's a good thing but it could be a jinx obviously it's not like

00:42:14.180 news it's just like a thing that's going on could be a jinx but do you believe no health

00:42:22.660 oh you're like oh no no no you don't mean like like my rosacea is gone yeah exactly okay like

00:42:30.460 do you think and then it's like don't do that because then it comes back no i think that's

00:42:34.420 like that's you know ocd like okay i'm gonna say it i'm gonna say it yeah actually it's funny you

00:42:42.940 say this because two days or yesterday or two days ago i actively said to a friend on a thing

00:42:48.400 it was like i don't want to say because i don't want to jinx it or whatever i'm like no it's not

00:42:53.360 like that it's like if you don't get the job or whatever it is it's because you know it wasn't

00:42:57.800 meant to be like yeah like like you're beyond jinxes like you deserve the game okay anyway

00:43:02.840 sorry my question is like did i experience spontaneous healing because i'm just gonna

00:43:08.020 say it i haven't had a migraine in a minute no new medication i'm off the injections i was on

00:43:17.400 for reasons i wait imagine if it was due to all the emotional stuff like you're caught like that

00:43:25.980 emotions are flying out so you're crying well that's why i'm wondering i'm wondering not shut

00:43:30.100 down i'm wondering if there's i don't feel shut down generally though i feel that i am expressive 0.98

00:43:37.100 but i'm like what the fuck yeah what the fuck because i want to actually want to look at my 0.98

00:43:42.780 i'm someone that gets at least probably two migraines a month right if i get one a month 0.99

00:43:48.680 i feel lucky and i'm pretty diligent about tracking them oh my god well it's been months

00:43:54.520 yeah not months my last time i had like i had four in may damn and then like one in july

00:44:06.100 and i had to take i had like two in june it's not sad that that's me feeling cured

00:44:14.060 but it kind of is you should you should see my you should see april you should see but i am just

00:44:20.280 and there's been a couple things i mean my my period's gonna drop any second that'll be the

00:44:24.400 ultimate i hate the phrase drop i find it really disturbing because to me it's just like i was

00:44:29.440 thinking about it like like because it's such our like lingo or that you use so i'm almost tempted

00:44:34.000 to use it um to you but it's like it just really gives me like this feeling of like

00:44:39.320 like a heavy egg like dropping oh god yeah

00:44:42.920 um well you know what i've had covered oh yeah go on can you believe it though spontaneous healing 0.97

00:44:51.160 like what the fuck and like triggers like i've done a couple things like you know one of the 0.89

00:44:54.800 things i can't do because it automatically triggers a migraine is have any alcohol on 0.98

00:44:58.100 an empty stomach right so like i've had it happen more one sip of something boom like at dinner

00:45:04.320 before the food arrives right like oh i'll have four olives it's like no i can't i'll get a 0.63

00:45:09.460 migraine yeah it's happened a couple times i go oh fuck it i'm okay last month my period nothing 0.58

00:45:15.120 a couple like i don't know i don't know and it's not and what's really interesting is i have not 0.93

00:45:20.000 been without stress what have your breakfasts been did you start adding something no wait what

00:45:24.640 about the new magnesium or whatever the power that supplement the pouch yes hasn't that been

00:45:32.460 like two months not every day though not every day i have not been religious with it she's

00:45:37.120 speaking of the agent natu which i was actually trying to steal from jacqueline natu yeah and i

00:45:41.580 was like hold please because i just ran out of my magnesium yeah totally qualia i want to see what

00:45:47.020 yours is yeah it's a qualia i should send them well we've i've asked i've i've been like reach

00:45:54.380 out to qualia and qualia was like we don't think the audience is um i'm like oh you don't think

00:45:59.440 our audience is interested in supplements like that's funny that's funny like guys at qualia

00:46:05.840 we yearn to hear about you on the podcast how about something like that yeah please send i mean 0.91

00:46:11.360 they have sent to poog to be to be clear qualia is not sent honey they have sent 100 fucking 0.87

00:46:17.740 are you thinking of symbiotica i am a hundred percent sure it's qualia we got a we got like 0.93

00:46:23.140 the mood pills the focus ones i have them in there okay but we never got magnesium

00:46:27.800 i want to know what kind of magnesium is in here in in qualia are you looking because it's um

00:46:35.340 let's see it's like six kinds that's why i was like mamacita you know what i want to actually

00:46:42.920 it combines 10 here comes a qualia ad by accident but 10 me reading off their website can you

00:46:49.820 imagine 10 magnesium forms 70 plus minerals and trace minerals okay and oh by the way guess what

00:46:58.240 i want to start integrating and i'm convinced that this is the stack this is the stack okay

00:47:03.620 the qualia or some kind agent nature some kind of like spectrum magnesium the k2 and the d3

00:47:11.300 all right i i forgot about that for three and a half years i've completely been as you say i sleep

00:47:17.480 at the wheel when it comes to k2 and d3 thorn makes a liquid that has both right and i think

00:47:24.820 i own it i think i bought it used it once put it in a thing and never looked at it again

00:47:30.420 creatine for brain health yeah we got to um we got to find a way into that people talk about

00:47:37.480 the muscle you know that i fell prey to the whole thing see this is what happens so today marks

00:47:41.600 actually i think today's the day marks one month no social media for me wow so it's like a minute

00:47:46.960 with that that's recovery interesting oh but i was saying when i was deep in my when i was really

00:47:54.260 scrolling way too much i got convinced the creatine like i was like creatine gummies like 0.61

00:48:00.560 some bitch was like advertising being like shredded with like array creatine gummies 1.00

00:48:06.340 and like a little dutiful 1.00

00:48:08.600 little capitalist zombie

00:48:10.800 little consumer sheep 0.81

00:48:12.500 went running to Erewhon

00:48:14.540 by the $45

00:48:15.700 clomped into Erewhon

00:48:19.240 and I've got the

00:48:21.980 creatine array gummies

00:48:23.600 I guess I might as well eat them

00:48:25.860 fresh at it straight from Erewhon

00:48:27.420 actually where we're going to dinner tonight

00:48:29.840 not far from Erewhon

00:48:31.240 if we wanted to do a wild supermarket

00:48:33.900 sweep in there together

00:48:35.400 did you watch supermarket sweep yes god that was so sad i remember that paper towels the

00:48:40.680 rolls of paper towels because the whole idea was just that you can get whatever you want right

00:48:45.860 or was it a competition to get the most get the most get the value right which is oh she's going

00:48:51.680 for a laundry detergent like that's a high value item i can see the guy's face who did that

00:48:56.600 god because times because it's like it's funny that that was the thing

00:49:02.440 because of course it was maybe i'm in a modern mindset where everyone's so desperate that i'm

00:49:08.660 like it was it was to see how long you could feed your family yeah yeah you know like i think it was

00:49:14.080 no it was it was just yeah but there was something about like if it's really just value

00:49:19.200 then there's there's an item in there that 100 is the most value per right where why didn't

00:49:26.160 everyone just run straight to that one item and like load up on it it would be boring yeah so

00:49:31.980 there was something about it that you know what i mean like there's an answer right to that problem

00:49:36.920 to the supermarket suite problem right like there's an answer someone knows it oh there's an

00:49:40.900 answer and i bet they're discussing it somewhere on reddit i'm just taken with with my neighbor's

00:49:47.320 ficus um it just fills it just fills my window and it's just incredible you know she grew it in

00:49:55.800 a single pot broke through the pot reached into the earth you know it reaches to the heavens

00:50:00.740 so generally i don't i don't care about halloween that sounds mean it's not that i don't care i'm

00:50:08.860 happy for people but i don't partake i don't spend well it's interesting we all remember

00:50:13.800 was it last year's episode or no or two years ago at this point how long have we done doing this

00:50:19.080 remember my a ghoul no i bought last halloween cookies for the neighbor no that was that's

00:50:27.020 christmas i'm always gonna do that and i'm gonna do it this year but maybe but

00:50:31.020 those boxes remember you were like sending me pictures of the boxes

00:50:36.960 and they were huge oh i just got chills thinking about the texture of the box

00:50:41.640 i bought a halloween costume that arrived oh um serious don't say what it is yet because this is

00:50:48.980 like exciting so so truly last halloween season i think i was browsing a halloween costume whatever

00:50:56.820 and i see one i go that's pretty good and i could just live in my closet and it was like out of

00:51:02.320 stock notify me when available and i thought what the hell so i put in my email i just forgot about

00:51:07.340 it entirely and then maybe five months ago i got an alert happens hello this is back in stock

00:51:14.300 it was no is it just like a cheap thing or is this some like high-end no no no i think with

00:51:19.600 shipping and everything it costs 65 bucks but it's not like it's one of those ones that comes

00:51:25.180 in like a plastic thing with okay like it's something that so it's not a high end like

00:51:30.460 you know it's not trashy lingerie is 600 like it do they have that oh yeah like i mean halloween

00:51:37.320 though they have like trashy lingerie oh yeah trashy lingerie which is an iconic place in los

00:51:42.340 angeles where my friend in high school worked you could go and buy they have incredibly expensive

00:51:47.440 beautifully made sexy halloween costumes to me though you know by the way i can't remember if

00:51:53.680 ever got around to posting it remember when I spent all day crafting and then never made it to

00:51:57.880 the party or whatever oh the sweetest and then cried because remember I was envisioning you

00:52:02.900 being blown away by my costume being like my own head on a table I do remember of course it's one

00:52:08.140 of our most precious moments that was a real 80 I mean the one thing I can say for my life right

00:52:13.060 is that I figured out how when when mental illness okay strikes me yeah you know I quickly 0.83

00:52:21.580 wrap a bow around it and share it with the public so they can enjoy it and that is that helps you

00:52:28.600 know what i mean like i mean like like it's just like yeah yeah i didn't make it to the party but

00:52:32.280 at least we all got to have a laugh well it makes it worth it absolutely makes yeah it's the pain

00:52:36.180 worth it sometimes having a podcast sure does that that's the other that's the hidden that's

00:52:41.460 the hidden cost folk okay and with that i'm so excited to go to we're going to el coyote tonight

00:52:48.880 iconic iconic

00:52:50.980 Mexican restaurant here in Los Angeles

00:52:53.080 made

00:52:55.180 famous of course by being the last

00:52:57.080 restaurant that Sharon Tate 0.57

00:52:58.860 dined at which is really upsetting and that's why

00:53:01.140 I think I'm stammering on that sentence

00:53:03.080 there but

00:53:04.920 wow can't wait to see you

00:53:06.780 love you all right love you

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - September 08, 2026

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