Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Defending Your Frogs

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00:00:57.460 Two best friends, both alike in dignity.

00:01:00.060 Nurturing phantoms and courting the muse. 1.00

00:01:02.340 The hag divines when something must die. 1.00

00:01:04.680 Yes, that was Poogh. 0.96

00:01:05.780 But this is huge.

00:01:07.360 The ego loves to seek.

00:01:08.820 But never to find.

00:01:10.200 It was Berlant and Novak the whole time.

00:01:14.580 Hi.

00:01:15.480 Hi.

00:01:16.480 You sent me a nice text before we started.

00:01:19.080 What did I say?

00:01:19.800 you said standing by with joy in my heart yeah why you're excited to record whoa whoa

00:01:27.600 what happened sorry a mosquito has entered the frame um i actually am going to close the door

00:01:32.820 i'm so sorry because it's hot in my office the ac then you can hear the ac so i have the door open

00:01:38.560 to the elements it is hot it is kind of hot right but then the freaking mosquitoes come in and ruin

00:01:43.200 my life hang on okay uh but i just want to say listen and i'm hoping this will be the last time

00:01:48.600 i mentioned this on this podcast i still have my rash it's better also i want to make a note which

00:01:54.680 is or just you know report i'm going to see a derm we'll see what she says but on the verge of tears

00:02:02.820 yesterday is this my new life you know yeah and i'm not putting anything on my skin for the first

00:02:08.840 time since probably i've been doing skin care since i don't know the sixth grade seventh grade

00:02:13.720 right so this is the first time since my childhood that i don't at least have moisturizer on like i've

00:02:20.960 been wearing spf since i was a child every day well done i mean it's gonna serve you well i mean

00:02:27.040 kind of every day more like anyway so i'll just say it's a life lesson because in my and by the

00:02:33.260 way the rash is it extreme no and today it's better but i just had coffee with someone and i 0.63

00:02:39.100 within 30 seconds my rash i know what you're thinking oh my god she fell off look at that

00:02:43.820 rash like what are you talking about and it's yeah exactly and it's like or i was a shut-in

00:02:50.040 yesterday because a i woke up i took benadryl so i was you know on drugs it was actually kind of

00:02:55.600 amazing have you been experiencing that right because as i was trying to warn you like it

00:02:59.540 ain't no joke it changes a day benadryl oh yeah i watched wolf on wall street and the departed

00:03:05.780 yesterday so six hours decided leo to soothe the system yeah yeah i needed leo to come in the

00:03:13.540 excellence of leo deo to soothe the system also and guess what i discovered jacqueline there is a

00:03:21.120 so after i watched the departed i there is a short film that martin scorsese made and it's

00:03:27.760 scorsese not scorsese i'm intentionally saying scorsese there was a short film with a 15 minute

00:03:33.480 short film, $70 million budget starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert Gennaro, and Brad Pitt that is

00:03:40.440 basically promotional material for a casino in Macau. So clearly like they all just got like 15

00:03:46.080 mil. I haven't watched it yet. My God. But it's called The Audition. You've never heard no one's

00:03:51.520 So it, but it's, oh my God. So they're not promoting it because they're like, this isn't

00:03:56.800 real. What do you mean? It's a real casino. It's 17 minutes you said? It's like 15 minutes. Yeah.

00:04:01.360 And it's a promotional, but it's literally a promotional.

00:04:04.020 It's a short film, in quotes, but it's promotional material for a casino.

00:04:09.360 And the budget was 70 mil.

00:04:11.260 So Curtis Casino was like, hey.

00:04:12.760 And how much did Marty get?

00:04:14.060 I mean, at least 20 mil.

00:04:16.620 And where's it showing?

00:04:18.240 I would say the budget for the short film, it's the actors, where the budget's going. 0.94

00:04:21.520 They got Leo, they got Brad, they got Robert fucking De Niro. 0.79

00:04:24.260 Oh, right, right. 0.99

00:04:25.900 So it's come to the point where I'm just going to say, I need clean beauty on the lips.

00:04:29.080 Because if there's a strong scent to the lip product at this point, it's like an instant headache.

00:04:35.100 I don't know what's happened.

00:04:36.980 Yeah.

00:04:38.120 My nose has opened up, and possibly it's olfactory maybe, so it would be olvoyant or something.

00:04:46.420 You know what I'm talking about, right?

00:04:47.520 Clairvoyant.

00:04:47.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:48.980 Claircognizance.

00:04:50.300 What's the – yeah, thank you.

00:04:51.620 Oh, that's what I was trying – I knew something was wrong.

00:04:53.700 It's not the voyant, right?

00:04:55.280 Claircognizance, clairvoyant, clairaudient, clairolfactory.

00:04:59.080 and i feel like i've asked this before no that is a real thing people that smell they're like

00:05:03.440 i smell i smell burning rubber and they're like smelling very rubber factory burned to the ground

00:05:09.140 that may it's always smelling um clairvoyance is all right i remember this word clairalliance

00:05:19.100 or oh oh clair olfaction it's a psychic ability to intuit information oh my god you're still

00:05:27.760 wearing your fake aura ring so funny we're gonna take it off i'm wearing it for a week i need to

00:05:32.220 send in the news it's insane about what size this is the sizing kit and you know i should just start

00:05:39.820 doing errands on the podcast that would be i would really finally get through things because to ask

00:05:44.700 me to on my own deal with going into the app or looking and going to a website and logging in

00:05:52.300 and being like here's my my size like what oh i've had as we all know a car hit my parked car

00:06:00.380 yes and i have been needing to upload a damage report of the images for does it happen oh yeah

00:06:07.480 that's tough because it needed my vehicle vin number and i was like well that'll take a week

00:06:12.920 to get together oh yeah you know the vin is like the atm because vehicle identification number

00:06:18.060 so it's like vehicle identification number number or atm machine it's like automatic

00:06:24.440 transaction machine machine see what i'm saying you following i don't think you are yeah it's

00:06:29.180 okay yeah i know i i get it i get it it's not that exciting but i do i when you catch two of

00:06:35.220 them the vin number right the atm machine wait i have to break in with the poog movie club

00:06:41.360 required viewing here do you know what that is let's see robert zemeckis's film here from from

00:06:50.240 2024 which is one shot no way it's all one shot starring tom hanks with the most insane de-aging

00:06:58.820 cgi it's like the craziest thing you'll ever watch i turned it on i heard about it i meant to watch

00:07:05.400 it because it's like the laughingstock of society oh this is the one where he's like young and

00:07:09.640 whatever yeah right and i was like okay yeah and then so you were curious i was like i'm gonna

00:07:16.340 just turn it on like as a you know as a joke turn it on watch the whole thing the next day started 0.68

00:07:23.500 again because it's so unimaginable and if if any hags want to laugh and to marvel really at the 0.87

00:07:31.680 impossibility of culture turn it on there and by the way mandatory viewing is just the first 10 0.90

00:07:37.400 minutes it's the kind of thing that you're like this couldn't possibly have been made on purpose

00:07:42.820 it's fascinating check it out very interesting and then we were watching it and naomi was like

00:07:49.520 when's this from because because like the cgi is so right crazy it looks it's like i don't know

00:07:55.880 like looks like 2002 or something it's 2024 like uh we didn't have a better like a good eye for cgi

00:08:01.020 where it was almost like um back then you could confuse the people with lesser or something it's

00:08:06.220 like someone's grandniece made it in an afternoon the cgi but please please it we'll talk about it

00:08:13.860 in bonus if we could figure out how to uh do movie watches streamed simultaneous that would

00:08:21.620 be a good time oh we can figure it out all right we can figure it out the tech is there

00:08:26.800 so and also i want to cut in and say a clip that we're gonna that bonus subscribers will have

00:08:31.800 access to is jacqueline and i in front of the most magnificent sundance most significant sundance

00:08:39.520 in front of the most amazing sundance it was we were actually in front of a beautiful

00:08:45.820 slam dance i believe it was it was a shocking sunset so beautiful we were taking it in

00:08:53.620 specifically with thoughts of poog and the year to come and the growth and then a man who we were

00:09:00.960 doing huge uh what's it called expansive when you physically make your body large to you know take

00:09:07.240 it in and and he said what did he say take it in we had our eyes closed looking in the sunset and

00:09:13.100 he and i went take it in let me just make sure like because i was getting buzzed i don't know

00:09:18.100 if you could hear that i was getting buzzed oh god you know what lives in my heart and i always

00:09:21.220 mean to clarify you're like have you ever been pulled over this is on poog at some point right

00:09:26.100 and i'm like yeah i call it getting buzzed or something or it's called getting buzzed in my

00:09:30.240 household okay and what i mean is literally i refer to like we like oh i got buzzed like

00:09:38.240 like i got buzzed like they got me okay like buzzer i don't know and i've always like been

00:09:43.560 like do the listeners think i was like like have i been pulled over yeah it's called getting buzzed

00:09:49.320 on a saturday night like driving crazy because you're drunk oh right right but what you have

00:09:55.040 been pulled over in life of course yes i mean i haven't i mean have you ever gone on long road

00:10:02.020 trips yep and you're on the highway like and you never i i don't think of myself as speeding i mean

00:10:08.540 the times i've gotten no i i've definitely gotten pulled over like you know long time ago but like

00:10:15.700 oh you go past and like you know you're on an empty highway and there's a spot that's there to

00:10:21.000 get you and if you're going like five miles over yeah they got you they got you it's shocking that

00:10:26.160 i haven't yeah and then the other times were like once was within you know weeks of getting my

00:10:32.980 license there was a turn in my town that i essentially it's a confusing turn and it's like

00:10:39.100 you have to go further past the little island to make the left and i was like panicked i'm

00:10:43.280 essentially pulled into the unoccupied wrong way and they got me and then um oh damn then there's

00:10:50.640 a couple like just like you know spots that are like oh you didn't come to a full stop at this

00:10:56.140 at this stop sign before making the right oh yeah rolling through come on rolling through and like

00:11:00.360 i'm still i'm still breaking taking looks everywhere and going it just didn't get down 0.99

00:11:04.420 to a full zero and they were they're trying to make their quota i'm looking at um fucking pigs 0.98

00:11:09.560 by the way can you know what's gonna be radical you're gonna come over and record here sometime 0.98

00:11:14.140 i know and i was just like it's so funny like because it's never happened i know like i realized

00:11:19.500 I have a million microphones for my tech.

00:11:21.480 Well, don't worry, everyone.

00:11:22.460 We're going to be doing some in-person soon.

00:11:24.860 Oh, yeah.

00:11:26.100 And I just think it would be so cozy.

00:11:29.720 Absolutely.

00:11:30.440 There's room in this chair for two.

00:11:32.380 This has been my chair since the beginning.

00:11:34.480 Wow.

00:11:35.200 And then going to the Grove. 1.00

00:11:36.760 This sort of dumbass chair that I love. 0.98

00:11:38.980 But you don't mean us both talking into the same microphone. 0.99

00:11:41.420 Of course not.

00:11:42.000 No, I'm saying I have like nine microphones here.

00:11:44.780 We could just sit across from each other.

00:11:46.660 Yeah, or next to each other, whatever we prefer.

00:11:48.440 but yes we sit across well here's a tease i'm i'm um i'm using something that um it's going to be

00:11:54.400 on product corner something that i just got in the mail that's ten dollar item really got in the

00:11:59.960 mail wait do i have it i can't see it no no i bought it you ordered it you ordered it how

00:12:04.140 exciting i've um yeah very simple item but that i already feel is the great version of a simple

00:12:10.620 thing i'm just taking a photo of this just so i can move on i i like i wanted to talk about i told

00:12:15.520 you i want to do a deep dive on breakfast oh yeah and not just the day-to-day because yes we've

00:12:20.760 spoken of it but i was thinking about breakfast as a child okay strange breakfasts that you've had

00:12:27.100 like throughout your life okay strange well by other people's breakfasts and what you've thought

00:12:32.500 about them just really i just want to dig into something well one of the breakfasts that i had

00:12:38.760 that I think about a lot is the breakfast I had in London at Koya Japanese traditional breakfast

00:12:46.020 it was unbelievable with like what kind of fish was it it was like some white was it was it cod

00:12:54.200 I don't think it was cod I don't unbelievable with white rice miso soup radishes an egg it was

00:13:01.900 fucking divine and then I chased it down with some really nice some warm non-caffeinated tea 0.61

00:13:07.620 blew my mind that sounds incredible well savory this morning you what i had for breakfast savory 0.98

00:13:13.960 oatmeal kitchery oh hell yeah kitchery kitchery kitchery kitchery oh you know what i had last

00:13:20.680 night path like a little uh non-alcoholic cocktail sort of uh or mocktail you know of um

00:13:26.960 it was with this stuff they sell it in whole foods pathfinder never heard of it it's like herbal

00:13:33.220 something or other and then does it give you lemon juice and um spritz there's literally

00:13:38.700 it's just herbs but it um genic herbs i don't even know if it was dr genicate i mean i think

00:13:44.200 it was like it's just like like i don't think it was any because the adaptogens flavor it's just

00:13:48.820 flavor let's see adaptogens can make you high maybe i don't know pathfinder um so jacqueline

00:13:55.760 when you look at your cuticles right now are they dry my nails are like it's it's hideous what's

00:14:02.020 going on what the nail or the cuticle like peeling kind of yeah like i'm just i'm taking a break from

00:14:08.120 from gel i hate getting my nails i'm not going in there i say don't cut they do anyway there's

00:14:13.600 literally no consent right just push back just push back yeah they're like but surely not and

00:14:20.060 then you leave you're bleeding you're crying yeah it's a struggle but guess when i back on for

00:14:25.360 events press on i'm gonna be doing press on and in in product corner i will reveal my favorite

00:14:33.560 press on okay because i i i got some press on um for that party and then i didn't put them on

00:14:41.400 because it was last minute and so it didn't happen and i'm curious because well press on is is i have

00:14:49.600 to say fabulous not for like this press on yeah for for an event a makeup artist recommended to

00:14:55.100 me and she had been wearing them for like almost two weeks which to be honest kind of creeps me

00:14:59.300 out i'm like well what why like dirty like i don't know just long nails oh i guess it's the

00:15:06.860 same as like i don't know i just it's definitely the same as the gel i mean for sure for sure i

00:15:11.840 guess maybe it's not if it's like but isn't the gel basically plastic yeah i mean the gel is

00:15:16.340 poison but i think i just mean the the it's it's just more of an emotional thing something about

00:15:21.120 the press on being on for a long time but but they were fabulous but then you have to use i'm

00:15:26.540 going to be wearing them i think for two days and then so i'm going to use glue because the simple

00:15:32.200 sticky pads you can edit for a day but like one you know was on the verge of flying off the whole

00:15:37.820 time yeah but they make me they make me instantly feel as we've discussed kind of horny and want to

00:15:43.820 spend money well i put them on and then i went to i just spent i went shopping you shop right right

00:15:50.560 right yeah that's very interesting yeah well it reminds me of troop beverly hills like

00:15:56.620 her finger and the nail like pointing at the one missing jewel on the gown it's like betty draper

00:16:02.800 smoking a cigarette it's like yeah hand on the steering wheel like it just it's such an evocative

00:16:07.440 image although i was trying to argue to paul you know when i was he was dressing me and i mean he

00:16:13.380 was remote but it was like did you get your nails done you know no you know and and i was like oh

00:16:19.140 know i think there's like a cat hair on this like thing and he's like like almost he was very like

00:16:23.160 you've got worse problems you didn't get your nails done you know what i mean like yeah yeah

00:16:26.060 kind of like he was really kind of like hooked on the nail thing and i was very like

00:16:29.880 it could just be my like i don't think it's what it used to be like yeah yeah totally the

00:16:36.360 expectation that you have a long painted nail like i was like i don't think anyone will notice

00:16:41.420 that i don't have nails even even while i'm in full yeah like someone someone who's into it

00:16:45.660 might in this way like oh look like someone you know what i mean but not in a way like like as if

00:16:50.560 i were wearing you know i don't know like something that would be noticeable very noticeable right like

00:16:55.860 yeah yeah so and i was trying to like argue this point like it's not it's just not i i just think

00:17:03.000 it's not what it used to be i think having no nail is just a neutral i think you're probably

00:17:06.840 right you can be in full glam well if you have a really nice and that's what i'm trying to work

00:17:11.680 toward is the bare hands really nice clean hand look where your nails are still manicured but

00:17:18.480 they're not colored and they're not right long i mean i very much enjoy a short manicure the times

00:17:25.480 that i've had i had these glue-ons i think when we did the rachel antonoff dog show and i didn't

00:17:32.720 take them off right away or something but they were still on and one of them was on and it's a

00:17:38.120 completely different existence. Completely. And I was struggling with using my phone. Yeah, yeah, totally.

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00:21:04.380 what did i walk oh i walked by two frogs i mean i mean i walked by two stone frogs on a stone bench

00:21:16.680 okay okay and there were those kind of frogs that you see the oh they're like a cartoon like

00:21:22.780 kind of yeah like kind of like like as if they're humanoid you know like they're sitting up on a

00:21:27.560 bench with their legs crossed yeah yeah and i was thinking about how you know some people i looked

00:21:32.980 at them because i briefly had this like like what if i lived in that house or if i bought that house

00:21:38.020 would i keep the frogs it was the thought i had right it was more like i like those frogs and i

00:21:42.740 was like i keep those frogs and then i imagined you coming over okay and me being like yeah like

00:21:49.140 like the frogs before and like i kept them kate i kept hand up clutching my pearls at your frogs

00:21:53.840 yeah yeah like defending the frogs and being like you know like a lot of these garden frogs

00:21:58.480 these stone garden frogs are like are like horrible you know but but i i thought these

00:22:03.360 were good and like you know i like to develop a more discerning eye this is another thing i like

00:22:09.480 have learned from paul or shopping with paul or like looking at like vintage like palm springs

00:22:14.540 like flea market like he'll like there'll be a bunch of figurines right and he'll grab one and

00:22:19.780 be like the things you learn from friends you know what i mean like like that friends model

00:22:24.000 for you right like yeah everything he would be like that's a good rooster that's a really good

00:22:30.600 yeah yeah and with this discerning high like like like one time like me chris we're at the palm

00:22:38.480 rings walking with paul and he comes across these little wood animals okay and he's like

00:22:44.460 just the three in the midst of a table of other figurines and he's like he's like where are these

00:22:49.360 from are these like this are these 60s he's like what is that that's signed on the bottom something

00:22:53.200 and he's talking he's like i've never seen these before to the the person running the booth right

00:22:58.800 that particular table he's like i've never seen these before and i shop yeah yeah okay yeah and

00:23:04.520 it was like it was so cool i love it what they got what was it acknowledged because it just looks

00:23:10.160 like a wooden figurine well me and chris say it like near constantly in our house now you know

00:23:15.500 what i mean like and i shop like yeah like to know and then the culture of um whether it's like

00:23:21.400 estate sales where the people running the estate sale are like well that's blah blah blah blah or

00:23:26.680 flea market you know all the fairs right there's this kind of like you know they didn't know what

00:23:33.480 it was from we all tried to figure it out he took the four animals home and he is like so through a

00:23:39.820 friend this is a fun topic of conversation actually like what you've modeled from a friend

00:23:45.320 right i mean this will this will be the next episode he seeing that allowed me to go those

00:23:51.020 are good frogs right yeah that's a good frog that's a good stone frog and and have the like

00:23:56.960 self-dignity and self-esteem to have an opinion well they give you permission but what friends

00:24:04.460 grant you access to do of course i know yes you try it on and you're freed no no no it's

00:24:09.900 defending defending the frogs i mean and shopping with a friend by the way is one of those ways

00:24:14.600 what is oh shopping yeah shopping with a friend like and i do you feel like okay huge question

00:24:20.940 shopping like and i even mean you know like you have no money and you're 11 but you're still kind

00:24:25.960 like in a store with a friend or whatever i feel like young teen like a couple of girls together

00:24:33.320 going into a store and looking at things or a vintage store like you know like a second hand

00:24:38.200 whatever like i feel like that was a major like life change experience okay oh yeah being in a

00:24:45.000 store with a major with a co not with a parent subjectivity formation and then the competition

00:24:50.120 and the i like this oh you like that it's yeah yeah i want that yeah yeah yeah like ew you know

00:24:55.040 what i mean like i would never wear this or or oh and then the panic like they've got the one and

00:24:59.880 do you remember that like yes very intense and getting did you ever get like i had to learn like

00:25:04.840 did you ever get convinced by a friend into buying something and take it home and you're like

00:25:08.180 i don't like this oh my god of course of course of course i mean still yeah it's like a huge

00:25:15.720 learning yeah it's how to shop with a friend it is because you have to maintain your own personhood

00:25:20.660 yes while being right up against someone else's and you have to see the way in which you i mean

00:25:26.100 nothing's more classic than you know for you the whole free well that's i like that for you i know

00:25:30.920 i like that for you it's a classic yeah i never would but yeah wait something you were saying

00:25:36.540 the friend oh well just talking about oh modeling friend modeling yes but talking about yard

00:25:42.440 decorations yes so now we're you know it's been we're past christmas now healthfully past christmas

00:25:48.420 yes when you see people's christmas decorations still up it's like officially a sign of mental

00:25:52.900 illness no i know and by the way right now i'll say my blow mold is still out there but it's face

00:25:57.100 down and dragged aside like yeah like it's like you someone could see it but it's no longer on

00:26:01.980 display and i'm not proud i and you're right i grew up in a house which in kind of a proud way

00:26:06.600 or like kind of like aren't we kooky way my mom would have the tree up into january right like

00:26:11.880 and it's possible even i should ask her when the latest it was up because i thought it went longer

00:26:16.320 i feel like you've told me this and it went longer yeah i think it was like feb i think

00:26:19.400 it was like valentine's day christmas tree or something like because her trees like we would

00:26:24.560 do them and they'd be they'd be wild and they were gorgeous and it's like yeah you do that's

00:26:27.380 like you're living by this object it's great brings you joy it's hard to get rid of it and

00:26:32.380 also particularly my house wasn't a oh it's the day after thanksgiving up goes the tree

00:26:37.200 right so it's like you know anyway but that whole decorating the tree like christmas eve thing i'm

00:26:43.820 fascinated by it i know i know i'm and now i'm kind of like rebelling like i'm like no bring it 0.89

00:26:50.040 down last day can be up is january 6th last fucking day and then there's a couple house 0.91

00:26:55.940 homes me saying homes and houses a couple homes in our neighborhood there's one house near us 0.95

00:27:01.640 that keeps their christmas decorations up three six five lit year year round lit and that's very

00:27:09.500 interesting year-round lit and so it's like well they're insane like whoever dwells in there is

00:27:17.220 because also are they good then it's by making it's always christmas then it's never christmas 0.51

00:27:22.360 obviously well you need to state the fucking obvious but no no but it needs to be said um

00:27:28.840 because it's it's actually it's not just profound on the on the level of you know more can become 0.94

00:27:35.540 zero right no this is helpful infinity is zero etc well it's allowing for the dips you can't 0.98

00:27:41.520 always be special every day can't be special every day can't be good it just can't fucking 0.76

00:27:46.040 happen and you eliminate the the potential yeah for for magic or anything when you insist on that 0.81

00:27:52.600 and i have a habit of insisting on that perhaps no no no no it's so moving years can no no years

00:27:58.400 years you can sweetie we think of in days oh a couple hard days how about a couple hard years

00:28:04.580 How about five years ago, lost to the wind?

00:28:07.580 Well, this is, I think about it all the time.

00:28:09.180 I go, it's okay, it's okay.

00:28:10.260 It's okay, we lose yours all the time.

00:28:12.320 Remember, we came up, I mean, I know I lose yours all the time

00:28:15.440 and it's don't lose a day mourning them in the wind.

00:28:19.300 Time, you cannot.

00:28:20.860 They're not lost, you're still there.

00:28:22.460 You're still in the belly of the whale.

00:28:23.540 You're still Jonah and the whale moving forward.

00:28:25.100 Oh my God, I saw this thing, it was so good.

00:28:26.880 Wait, I gotta look for it.

00:28:28.300 You gotta look if I can see it.

00:28:29.220 The whale is the ship as we,

00:28:32.060 I just wanna show you something.

00:28:33.820 like I'm going to show you this thing I saw this um what looked like a zen buddhist monk talking

00:28:39.820 about on instagram okay I'll show you that in a second remind me I'll hold this in my hand

00:28:44.380 this cat lure to to remind me because I'm not oh but here are you ready so you'll love this okay

00:28:51.260 so so just to consume what we were saying it's like the most moving thing okay in the christmas

00:28:58.800 spirit right and someone who's someone who's a steward of the cursed spirit like oh it's the

00:29:04.660 people put up the like okay it's like it's the sight of them taking it down oh wow they are i

00:29:11.520 love it they they are doing the the painful work i mean the hag the hag divines when something must

00:29:19.840 die right yeah it's over now death is part of life there can be no rebirth if they could just

00:29:25.700 A film of just, you know, unhooking the lights or whatever it is and da-da-da and putting it away.

00:29:31.680 They are sowing.

00:29:34.100 They are sowing the magic.

00:29:35.200 That's the triumph.

00:29:36.320 Yeah, putting them up is not the triumph, actually.

00:29:38.160 It's taking them down.

00:29:39.080 It's true.

00:29:40.160 And I have to say, I felt profound.

00:29:42.760 I felt an eerie sense of selfhood, taking down my Christmas stuff.

00:29:47.980 Packing it away, I go, do I have three kids?

00:29:50.220 What is this?

00:29:51.060 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:29:51.820 I think also that is an acceptance of finite time again.

00:29:55.700 oh you know like like you are participating you are welcoming death i know well you're

00:30:04.380 except it's acceptance but but this zen buddhist is like and i'm just saying zen buddhist you know

00:30:09.160 but you know he seemed like one um he's got this thing and he's like you're like in life he's like

00:30:16.160 if if this is life he's like this is life and i'm just hanging this thing okay we'll show the people

00:30:20.520 later, right? We just have a thing hanging. She's hanging a cat toy, to be clear. Like a pendulum.

00:30:25.600 He pushes the pendulum away. He's like, you push, you cause that, okay? Yeah. He's like,

00:30:31.560 you push it away, it comes back. You resist, persists. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, exactly. So

00:30:36.360 I'm going, okay. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We resist, persists, sure. He's like, you pull

00:30:41.540 something towards you, you are setting in motion it going away, okay? Now, it doesn't mean if you

00:30:47.040 want something don't pull it towards you it's just the nature of you know take something it will go

00:30:53.240 and always come back push it away it will come back you know take it it will leave right and so

00:30:58.980 he's then saying yeah yeah he's then saying no yeah and you might you know do you want to live

00:31:04.260 in the swing i mean i probably do he didn't say that i mean it was just what i extrapolated later

00:31:09.980 in bed thinking okay but he's talking also then so then you just let it hang and he's like

00:31:16.720 you can also go through creating like no ripples okay he's like you can still have a goal you know 0.99

00:31:23.220 like he's like you still pursue a goal without it being like pushing shit away and pulling shit

00:31:27.680 towards you putting you know you could sort of let it was almost like you can pursue your goal 0.61

00:31:33.240 while disturbing as little as possible like and that i don't know i i have nothing to say about

00:31:39.540 it other than hmm there was something to it and when uh when those guys bring it to you and it

00:31:46.300 actually hit stillness it hits i still don't have a rug um the search continues

00:31:53.240 one of my god see your face right you you are someone who agonizes over decisions and if they're

00:32:04.940 the right decision right so the look i just got for you was a shock because it almost looked like

00:32:09.920 a normal person who doesn't understand yeah like like you know like it's crazy no but but it's like

00:32:17.320 one choosing a color is one of and this has been an issue since i was a child i remember going into

00:32:23.440 like like gap kids okay i've been there for hours choosing a color is so hard because you stare and 0.56

00:32:29.780 you go you look at one you go it's beautiful in its way and then you look at another and you go

00:32:33.700 it's beautiful in its way i and i'll just say i'll say what i'm holding i'm holding a nail file

00:32:38.000 i agonized over the choice of what color nail file see yes and you go and agonize might be too

00:32:44.480 strong a word but there was like for example a clear one yeah but you you hesitated you paused

00:32:49.000 and i go and i go clear no no i paused for like more than the average person i would say yeah

00:32:53.200 because i go okay this one's the first one that popped up 9.99 there's different colors there's

00:32:58.640 like a sunset one then there's just clear and i go well that's more chic just like a clear right

00:33:02.920 but i go but why not have a little color in your life have a little fun i know i know

00:33:06.420 no no it's if you could hear the interior of the of the consumer okay like because i always make it

00:33:13.580 about my life and what i need yeah the new life and so i go you know what i can't be afraid anymore 0.86

00:33:20.140 have a little fun or you know it's time to stop fucking around and and no the fear that the choice 0.81

00:33:28.140 will then define the next few years or the hope that it will rather i have to stop that's there's 0.96

00:33:35.620 something where it's filing your nails on air horrifying i'm not hearing it i also wouldn't be

00:33:41.380 shocked if you and me both had a fidget type of activity like that going it's so weird you say

00:33:48.240 that like if we were knitting oh you have a spinner i literally have a uh what's this called

00:33:52.700 fidget spinner everyone knows that sound yeah i was like do i need to get well it would make it

00:33:59.140 would make sense i mean because whatever i am holding i'm like doing some version of i need

00:34:03.580 to start you know i've always i'm thinking about i'm thinking about so by the way you know like

00:34:07.440 how every five episodes i'm like showing you how like i put my neck all the way back and it goes

00:34:13.460 all the way back and it's really hard to like pull it back up and you're like again with this

00:34:18.220 okay yeah yeah yeah i've now become convinced that it's a hyper mobile thing okay now i'm a

00:34:25.020 i'm a part of hyper mobile instagram oh like an ad hyper mobile and going like another thing always

00:34:32.840 choking on your own saliva i've brought this up on the podcast that's an agd thing no it's well

00:34:37.960 it's a hypermobile thing which comorbid with hypermobile in a lot of cases i don't always

00:34:44.720 that doesn't does that happen to you a lot i feel like i don't really hear that usually you're what

00:34:49.000 you choking on your own saliva it happens to me all the time or with water just like wrong tube

00:34:54.540 more than often like walking and then like no it's it's a thing um like a notable thing like

00:35:00.220 doesn't happen to chris happens to me all the time yeah you know like are you all right yeah

00:35:04.520 i'm just i just choked on my own saliva and i'm hacking like and then it's like it was this thing

00:35:09.700 and there were like all these other things and there's like the trachea like just my trachea

00:35:12.600 just like like i can like feel it like move like i can crunch it over yeah and pretty sure that's

00:35:18.120 not i mean the thumbs i don't think are a big deal i know some people think a full curled thumb

00:35:24.520 is like something is that weird i can't see it wait i think well i mean what i'm showing is that

00:35:30.260 like without buddy yeah that is a little extra mobile but and then that and then nothing they're

00:35:37.160 like acting like like this was hard or something like to go one finger over the next finger

00:35:42.180 over the next finger like and then over this one so so you see like a waterfall

00:35:48.360 I mean, that's, yeah, I mean, child's play to me, right?

00:35:52.440 And then they were like, so, you know, you can get views.

00:35:55.840 Views like, you might be hypermobile if, like, it's making a lot of sense.

00:35:59.320 And then, but yeah, the way that my neck goes back, I remember as a child in, like, these, like, gymnastics or dance classes when they would have us, like, just doing stretches in the beginning.

00:36:08.880 And they would do the neck rolls.

00:36:11.380 So I'd be doing the neck rolls.

00:36:12.880 And you'd go all the way around.

00:36:13.440 and when i go to the back it felt like like like this feeling of it would flop back but then like

00:36:20.480 then you couldn't get your neck your head back sort of but but pain like so it was almost like

00:36:25.800 it would go all the way back but it would throw my neck out and like you know it was like

00:36:30.240 so and then also you know limbo like being like extraordinary at limbo winning limbo

00:36:37.060 oh at every freaking party being like excuse me everyone i haven't done limbo in ages i know

00:36:45.200 and there's like a thing in you that like if you're someone as a kid who's like oh i know i

00:36:51.740 can limbo right there's a weird feeling like it because it feels almost like bother people who

00:36:57.860 can't get as low or whatever it's like is that like an early sexually it's like sexuality it's

00:37:03.260 acceptable it's like yeah i mean there's something sexual about it no that's what i'm saying like it

00:37:07.920 felt almost like like um how low can you go like the the the competitor in me right is almost

00:37:18.020 a sexless competitor right which is like oh i'm gonna like go as absolutely low as i can with

00:37:25.500 with like no shame like like it's competition but then there's also this little part that feels a

00:37:30.040 bit kind of like you know i'm not afraid to go where others won't yeah yeah yeah yeah and then

00:37:36.080 yes i absolutely think these kind of like attention to the body you know it's like sixth

00:37:41.500 grade and it's like time to bring out the stick yes and everyone like you know lead with their

00:37:48.360 pelvis i think you're absolutely right how were you at limbo kate i bet good i think so but i

00:37:54.380 can't quite recall but i think i was pretty good or were you protecting the neck i could kind of

00:37:58.340 being like i think i was a little scared yeah but i think i went pretty low hey i have sorry just to

00:38:04.120 break in with something that i need but i feel like you know about this a lot but i i've had it

00:38:09.220 i need a i need a serious sun hat and i have an sbs 50 sun hat from australia that my friend has 0.80

00:38:16.140 but guess what it doesn't cover my whole fucking face and i welcome to my life really i go on walks 0.85

00:38:22.540 i can't live without walks because of my rash i haven't gone outside i haven't gone on my usual 0.98

00:38:27.220 walk i did an evening walk yesterday but i i need my 10 000 step walk a day or i i fall into

00:38:33.180 disrepair i wonder if you and me walk towards each other how many steps that would be probably a lot

00:38:38.480 thousands not that much but this is the kind of thing you say let's talk about the best sun hat

00:38:44.120 out there and boy do my ears perk up okay because i've been screaming for years i need big i need 0.99

00:38:50.800 big i needed to not just cover my cock sucking forehead i'm trying to say folks i need chin 0.98

00:38:57.360 every hat remember when you wanted a bucket hat and i'm like that's not gonna cut it 0.98

00:39:01.260 for for uh for like poog merch okay yeah now i know you're gonna you're gonna reject but

00:39:07.060 i will say there's a reason i wore those visors i know i okay so just take a minute with it okay

00:39:14.560 okay and i got news for you your little hats that you wear then i'm not going who's that

00:39:19.880 movie star okay i know like you think my hat sucks like like the classic photo of you and 0.77

00:39:25.560 one of your like safari hats yeah so so i think you can let go my hats are ugly huge so so huge

00:39:32.020 brim visor or visor right i'm just looking because i haven't seen in a while now i think i'm too vain

00:39:38.620 i'm too vain for visor is the truth i just it's just the truth but you're acting like you

00:39:44.040 fundamentally believe that it doesn't have to be a visor i'm just saying it needs to be that level

00:39:49.540 of you know i'm looking is my no no it's not going to be pretty okay by the way well here's

00:39:55.220 the thing what about and see this is the most extreme version right which i can't do the full

00:40:01.540 glass or plastic visor where you can't even see the person's face right so let me look at that

00:40:06.840 dr idris makes one you serious hi and by the way dr idris i want the full line i want the

00:40:12.900 anti-redness line as we're both embarking on rosacea yeah i want the full dr idris line

00:40:20.540 and by the way i've actually said that i have purchased out of pocket and enjoyed the roller

00:40:27.280 the dr idris so i'm saying yeah redness is one of his um oh the de-puffer roll-on serum

00:40:34.140 Yeah, the de-puffer roll-on serum.

00:40:37.440 I was talking about her nurse's assistant.

00:40:43.860 Okay.

00:40:44.660 I was talking about the boy below her.

00:40:47.200 Okay, I know she's the doctor.

00:40:49.040 Okay, I was talking about the physician's assistant.

00:40:51.040 I believe his name is, is it Carrie?

00:40:54.700 It's Carl.

00:40:56.440 By the way, I'm like believing you, even though I know it's a bit.

00:40:59.040 Yeah, I know nothing of Idris.

00:41:00.440 and this is also this is also what's interesting about just being on the internet so i've been

00:41:07.120 as we all know rehabilitating from being online i'm doing very well i have to say um i still

00:41:13.340 haven't engaged it's been i think i'm basically a month without looking at instagram and the visual

00:41:19.920 thing like like idris she would i would just be watching her she just got in and then she became

00:41:24.440 she became my guru she was watching a girl do whatever she does and it worked i bought things

00:41:29.300 she told me i bought her roll on serum and guess what i really like it okay you want to hear what

00:41:32.940 good copywriting is okay from an old gal to me the cleanser i thought you were just going to read

00:41:37.760 some dr aegis copy i am okay complete daily cleanser soft wash i used for that soft wash

00:41:46.280 that's a good name i bought one i bought a travel size one i liked it i can't believe that's not

00:41:51.220 taken i can't believe no one got to that soft wash that's lovely because you think of a oh a

00:41:56.500 soft wash of light across a face a soft it's and we all need our cleanser to be gentle we all need

00:42:01.720 it so this is a jelly cleanser well Jacqueline because of my rash and I'm using nothing not

00:42:07.720 even moisturizer right now not even sunscreen and this is just you know day two of this but I go am

00:42:13.060 I going to be is this actually what I needed the stripping everything's being stripped away and

00:42:16.540 instead I'm becoming Cetaphil you know where it's like I wash with Cetaphil I have a CeraVe

00:42:21.760 moisturizer like the spoils of poog too many products right introducing too many products

00:42:29.140 i don't know i can't yeah i mean oh well certainly but you were by the way jacqueline novak what a

00:42:34.620 friend because i was sending jacqueline forensic photos of my face and jacqueline's going okay what

00:42:38.640 date is that send me earlier keep going back she's studying my face in the photos oh yeah i go i go

00:42:45.580 go send me one from janet she's like here here it is you know i'm like i go show me christmas i go

00:42:51.220 show me christmas yeah yeah then going show me your sunglasses because the shadow of your

00:42:56.740 sunglasses seems to be corresponding with like a line of like where the rosacea starts

00:43:01.020 and it's like pretty interesting um but i'm curious but here's the things that have been

00:43:10.800 said to me they go well you know you know rosacea is a form of acne and then you go why okay trust

00:43:17.120 me i know because but it's because of these ideas you know why is that it's like well that's only a

00:43:23.120 problem if you have some kind of idea about acne that means a certain thing which you know the

00:43:26.940 culture has has sold us right so very convincingly yeah like might i add but i'm just thinking about

00:43:34.620 i'm kind of curious because i have found myself struggling recently with actually i have it do i

00:43:41.920 have it with me oh yeah here i've been using this i don't because i just i'm not always in the mood

00:43:46.520 to pump it out rub it and apply to the whole face it's just there's something about like one

00:43:51.960 you know i don't know it's like it's like wait we have pump what just a product with spf

00:43:57.400 okay like i'm going out oh i need to put on spf and then it makes me aware of like am i doing a

00:44:03.080 good enough job should i be doing the ears so then i always feel unsatisfied anyway so

00:44:06.220 i grabbed this recently well here let's say something reapplying that's where i feel oh

00:44:10.900 yeah i've got that that's good what is this um oh bloom effects bloom effects so i've just been

00:44:16.280 dragging this across the face it's a bar like a deodorant but it's yeah so i drag drag drag

00:44:21.460 yeah drag drag drag and then i sort of rub and i feel like all right i got it and then i carry it

00:44:26.380 my pocket and just go pretty hard with it and then it's good but i think but it needs to be

00:44:32.400 hat don't forget the eyelids themselves see i've completely forgotten those and just believed that

00:44:36.700 that's like you don't put anything there and you're right i've been forgetting them

00:44:39.640 um but i'm just thinking my favorite sunscreen which is new on the market new on the market for

00:44:45.920 me elta md color correcting spf so it's green and i've been using the shit out of that the last few

00:44:53.940 weeks okay hold on oh welcome sweetie welcome to green products now and i mean the color green

00:45:00.800 green green products always offset the red oh yeah that's why yeah yeah it's incredible and the green

00:45:09.280 elta md i bought it out of pocket at larchmont beauty shout out to larchmont beauty and and i

00:45:14.960 I was like, well, this is my new daily.

00:45:16.520 And then it's not makeup, but the color correction makes you feel.

00:45:20.920 Color correcting, broad tint.

00:45:22.580 Color correcting.

00:45:24.140 Broad spectrum tint, UV skin recovery.

00:45:27.180 Yes.

00:45:28.340 Broad tint.

00:45:29.060 It's green.

00:45:29.760 Or wait, wait, wait.

00:45:30.680 No, no, no.

00:45:31.500 Is the bottle green?

00:45:33.080 Or just this little green thing on it?

00:45:34.600 No, the bottle's not green.

00:45:35.420 It's a pump.

00:45:36.480 And what comes out is green.

00:45:38.200 Color correcting, green tint, broad spectrum.

00:45:40.400 Yeah, UV skin recovery.

00:45:41.360 I think this is all the thing.

00:45:43.780 i think this is all it i'm just looking and then i'm kind of just curious what um who was the one

00:45:51.360 oh you know what i always got this was like an this has always sold you redness and i think it's

00:45:56.720 good you're gonna say sicker repair dr jart yep yeah exactly we're gonna say dr jart dr jart has 0.88

00:46:02.400 been she's been owning this for that is good shit really long time and by the way that same stuff 0.96

00:46:08.160 you know they came out with the it was like because that was the hit the tiger bomb or 0.98

00:46:12.300 whatever it's called tiger bomb yeah yeah or uh and then yeah the line expanded the line blew

00:46:16.820 blew up and then so i'm looking right now i'm going centella barrier cream sicka that's how

00:46:22.360 i say but i don't know repair and then um i was using one of those yeah the green and i first

00:46:29.080 learned about the green back when i was a child in these smashbox you know primers and there was

00:46:35.040 like the green one i was like oh yeah oh yeah let me just see here you know who like talk about uh

00:46:43.640 like the dr jart face masks like like that branding with the like rubber face looking

00:46:49.820 can you picture it like the really intense face masks i feel like no jart is like king all right

00:46:57.360 so i want to just i want to lock down i want to get my point is i might get my visor again but i

00:47:04.560 haven't done this search in a couple years and I want to see what's out there I saw someone with

00:47:09.120 a big hat and I almost stopped her and said where'd you get your big hat but for whatever reason I

00:47:13.620 didn't yeah so now what about do you remember it was like the thing I've I've tried in experiments

00:47:21.740 you can't really walk around with one of those beach hats that's like you know comically fashion

00:47:29.480 big you know i'm talking about yeah like it's like can't really do it just like a big flower

00:47:36.340 it's like soft and around yeah yeah it's like covering like you can't do it you can do that

00:47:40.620 on the beach spf visor you try to look that up and then the beauty brands give you serums because

00:47:48.360 they've adopted that language to mean like an like do you see what i'm saying oh a serum yeah

00:47:54.020 it'll be like lip visor actually dr aegis prequel is offering that right that's kind of interesting

00:48:00.600 i want the dr aegis lip based duo i'm just looking up like upf like um because there was this one

00:48:10.780 brand who's this brand oh you know who like has owned the space for a while coolaroo i feel like

00:48:17.900 they were an early

00:48:18.960 an early poog 1.00

00:48:22.000 like they offer shades

00:48:23.960 for moments that matter wait wait wait

00:48:25.660 I must be this can't be right because

00:48:27.680 this is like actual shades I don't mean cool

00:48:29.620 I don't mean cool I mean

00:48:31.380 it was UPF clothing 0.99

00:48:33.080 and they were what the fuck 0.99

00:48:35.880 was it oh right oh coolabar 0.99

00:48:37.340 coolabar and

00:48:39.880 solbari

00:48:40.540 coolabar and solbari

00:48:42.880 what is that solbari is the hat that I own

00:48:45.400 my god alright hold on I'm gonna go to

00:48:47.580 is the hat that i own let's see i just hate the feeling of a hat like gonna fly off and it also

00:48:55.040 means my hat here's the other problem for me that it means my hair has to be down so then i'm out

00:48:59.520 and it's hot and there's sun and then my hair is like down against my neck so my dream is

00:49:04.500 actually has a hole for a ponytail but like imagine well that's but you don't use it i can't 0.95

00:49:10.320 do that i think i would i would i would consider it because because what do i give a shit you know 0.73

00:49:14.880 it's like i would love if it were more like bonnet and it would hold my hair like if i could just 0.96

00:49:21.360 throw it up like it's almost like in a bun and then the hat goes in and somehow holding the bun

00:49:25.180 in there so it's got my it's got my hair off my neck see you know where i go immediately custom

00:49:31.660 you and me designed the perfect hat so funny you go custom it's so funny never in a million years 0.77

00:49:38.080 do i go custom i'm like fuck i'm like i could do this i'm like i could really do this and then i 0.81

00:49:44.440 start i wonder if i'm drawn to you because you know my grandfather was an inventor my dad's dad 0.95

00:49:48.540 oh my god do you know this about me you must have told me at some point like hardcore and in fact

00:49:54.220 there's a photo it's very also add if like you know brain style add inventor mindset lateral

00:50:02.440 thinking patterns anyway go on no i'm like i'm like look i mean like this look i have this

00:50:09.400 opposite look look at this that's my grandfather do you see this oh my god that's him he invented

00:50:14.180 the film camera well he invented a kind of recorder called the berlant concert tone

00:50:18.900 that's insane let me just take a quick look at what koolabar is offering okay see this is

00:50:25.900 interesting like they've got you know you could just live in koolabar like like you know like oh 0.97

00:50:30.860 i only wear koolabar the fuck is koolabar show you the hats let's see now some are funny like 0.97

00:50:36.760 some have like some of the face covering you ready some of these i must say have a deep brim 0.98

00:50:44.920 a lot of these i mean technically speaking or any of these sorry this is boring but i'm looking oh

00:50:51.700 damn but but you know if you go to their whole site okay go to their let's check out men's hats

00:50:59.180 maybe those will be bigger and they have by the way i'm gonna start to need to doing this 1.00

00:51:02.840 which is the full face mask part if i'm gonna that's what i'm talking about you see that woman

00:51:07.840 yeah so all so it's it's like do that that's next flap it's it's a bit much i mean i i also

00:51:15.360 i just can't do it wouldn't be what if what if on it you said like what if what if it was that

00:51:20.100 again another thing i'd invent okay but the mask so that so these are sun hats and then they have

00:51:25.960 a clip-on piece that covers the entire front of the face leaving nothing but the eyes i'm saying

00:51:30.940 custom front flaps we put out there and says things like this is due to rosacea

00:51:36.920 or like just like just like seriously it's a medical issue doctor's orders no it'd be doctor's

00:51:42.480 orders totally just big letters doctor's orders by the way i'm about to i'm about to right now

00:51:48.020 buy this hat okay which one that one by the way you'll hate this one star because the website has

00:51:54.740 a bug and they got the wrong color no no no no no no it's like get a grip you know what i mean

00:52:03.480 yeah get a grip and realize what the purpose of the of the review system is i'm seeing that this

00:52:09.720 has good best hat ever i hated this novel because it arrived wrinkled i mean i know i know i'm about 0.87

00:52:16.820 to right now live on air by this oh shit but shouldn't i wait for them to send it for free 0.81

00:52:22.160 what's it called this is the koolabar ultra wide sun hat in black okay this is yeah this is very 0.97

00:52:31.140 wait i wonder if i have this one the pink one's half off but lord knows i can't be i have a big

00:52:36.560 black hat like this really and i wonder if i got it from them it looks massive it's 70 dollars

00:52:44.800 it looks about right the turquoise color is 35.99 but i just it's too hideous let me look at it

00:52:51.060 yeah i mean you just can't do that why'd they even make that terror and the terracotta is not

00:52:57.360 terracotta that's pink sweetheart last i checked let me see the terracotta terracotta is not on

00:53:01.480 sale and that yeah it is terracotta is on sale by the way if that's terracotta i'm freaking oh no

00:53:07.580 wait tan couldn't even think what to say i'm not sharp anymore i'm not even seeing terracotta

00:53:12.600 Oh, the pink.

00:53:13.620 Oh, terracotta rose.

00:53:14.740 Okay.

00:53:16.020 That ain't terracotta.

00:53:17.000 Oh, terracotta rose there.

00:53:19.640 What?

00:53:20.540 Just laughing.

00:53:21.200 Like, if you want to eavesdrop on a couple of girls shopping together.

00:53:23.900 I'm buying it. 0.64

00:53:24.780 Wait.

00:53:26.060 Wait.

00:53:26.480 Don't do it yet.

00:53:27.080 I have an idea.

00:53:28.160 Okay, okay. 0.98

00:53:28.740 I'm going to put it in the hag shop. 0.89

00:53:30.080 You buy it there, I think we get a kickback. 0.98

00:53:32.300 It's genius.

00:53:33.520 Let me see if a cool bar pops up.

00:53:35.580 And by the way, if anyone's listening right now, you better be shopping in that. 1.00

00:53:38.600 You better be going to the hag shop.

00:53:40.220 If you think I'm not. 0.98

00:53:41.000 You better be doing all your shopping in the hag shop. 0.76

00:53:43.120 I am literally doing the SPF cool bar hat. 0.99

00:53:49.340 Let's see.

00:53:50.120 It looks nice and wide.

00:53:51.320 I got to be honest.

00:53:52.600 Let's see.

00:53:53.160 It does.

00:53:53.740 And it's 50 plus SPF.

00:53:56.340 It better be.

00:53:57.240 We've got a chin strap, seven inch brim, seven inches. 0.99

00:54:02.760 Damn. 0.99

00:54:03.960 I'm going to pick my favorite hat in the store. 0.99

00:54:05.960 You were saying that link that you just sent me.

00:54:07.860 I buy it there?

00:54:08.820 Yeah.

00:54:09.460 Okay.

00:54:09.800 They don't seem to offer any whatever, but it's still good to be able to, if we send a lot of hats their way, they see a lot of purchases come from our site, then we can really talk to them and go, look, I want to make a custom.

00:54:19.600 By the way, guys, I'm buying it right now, $70.

00:54:22.760 That ain't cheap, but I need a more serious hat.

00:54:27.620 This is crazy.

00:54:28.840 See, I want something that is umbrella, sunglasses.

00:54:32.860 Oh, you know, it's another, I mean, you can walk with a parasol, okay?

00:54:35.340 No, never going to happen.

00:54:36.620 Really?

00:54:37.420 No.

00:54:38.380 And they used to do it all the time.

00:54:39.940 That to me is like.

00:54:41.000 They used to do it, you know.

00:54:42.940 Women in the park, Sundays in the park with George.

00:54:45.100 When I'm walking, I need to be free.

00:54:47.700 It's meditative for me.

00:54:48.900 I can't be holding that.

00:54:50.660 Standard ground, $8.

00:54:53.160 I'm going to head over to men's because sometimes these sites, this kind of gear, the men's and the women's,

00:54:58.320 the women's always have these like shapes that do not call to me. 0.78

00:55:01.840 Jesus. 1.00

00:55:02.820 This is shipping, taxes, $83.

00:55:05.960 $83. Swim bottoms. Ooh, rash guards. Wait, Jacqueline, should I buy it? It's $83.

00:55:12.280 I got news for you. Hats are not cheap. So go for it. That's not that bad. Walking to Nordstrom's,

00:55:19.360 I don't know if you ever tried to buy a sun hat at Nordstrom's. You're at $120. $120 they start.

00:55:22.960 Easy. Okay. Cool bar. It's on the way. Yay. Oh my God. Cool bar. All right. Sun hat accessories.

00:55:31.900 I'm going to pop over to the outlet, see what's under 40. 1.00

00:55:35.700 Fuck. 1.00

00:55:36.480 I'll be in the outlet. 1.00

00:55:37.780 Okay.

00:55:38.580 Oh, a little dress.

00:55:40.380 I mean, if I'm going to start swimming seriously in the apartment pool, don't I need head to

00:55:45.800 toe kind of coverage?

00:55:48.340 Absolutely.

00:55:50.220 Absolutely.

00:55:51.760 Guess what I do tomorrow morning?

00:55:52.860 I want to be in the water.

00:55:53.280 Are you sitting down?

00:55:54.300 Yeah.

00:55:55.140 11 a.m. Spanish class.

00:55:57.000 Live?

00:55:57.700 In person?

00:55:58.680 Zoom.

00:55:59.500 Why didn't you invite me?

00:56:00.360 I mean, I don't know.

00:56:03.240 Why don't you say, hey, Fran, want to learn with me?

00:56:05.660 Well, I'm not at the most base beginner.

00:56:07.980 So am I, Spanish?

00:56:09.300 I've never taken Spanish.

00:56:10.300 No, I'm saying I'm not.

00:56:11.240 I'm not at the base beginner. 1.00

00:56:12.940 Oh, bitch. 0.99

00:56:14.160 I'm very good with languages, okay? 1.00

00:56:17.380 I studied linguistics, okay?

00:56:19.880 Well, I'm starting Spanish class tomorrow.

00:56:21.700 Amazing.

00:56:22.860 And sorry, I'm just looking at a pullover shrug in the outlet section.

00:56:27.560 um see i just need something i can throw on fundamentally i guess i'd want a hooded and

00:56:34.340 hooded and brimmed poncho that goes all the way down in a set of colors so no matter what i just

00:56:41.940 throw that on and out i go hooded and brimmed poncho i can't even picture what that is poncho

00:56:46.780 it well i i'm not sure that let me see i'm not sure that ponchos like traditionally have that

00:56:52.460 I don't think, poncho with a brim, let's see.

00:56:59.740 Oh yeah, no, they do, they do.

00:57:01.720 I mean, they have a little brim, but I could totally see.

00:57:06.220 Oh wait, here's a...

00:57:07.220 Poncho with a brim, poncho with a brim, poncho with a brim, hey, hey, hey.

00:57:09.880 And brim, and brim, yeah.

00:57:11.680 Poncho with a brim, poncho with a brim. 0.99

00:57:14.200 All the ladies love to wear Jacqueline's poncho with a brim. 1.00

00:57:17.820 She sells them for a dear price. 1.00

00:57:20.680 She sells them for a dear price.

00:57:22.120 a dear price but everybody because but everybody because but everybody pays because they are so

00:57:28.560 good and that's it's musical all right see this looks cool i love a big a big a big over the top

00:57:38.840 now these are rain ponchos but like i just love this shape i love like like i just came across

00:57:45.360 this poncho just looking around based on nothing i'm gonna send it to you oh wait no it was sent 0.93

00:57:51.480 poncho with a brim fuck poncho with a brim poncho with a brim what was i trying to build custom oh 0.98

00:57:58.780 i had this idea that of the cat litter behind a custom screen okay but i was going to get like a 0.99

00:58:03.300 vintage like just like a nice or secondhand um fireplace multi-paneled screen and then the

00:58:09.020 litter would be behind it and then i was imagining and then i was imagining are you ready when i was

00:58:14.300 looking on you know marketplace etc i see a lot of them selling them with the fireplace tools

00:58:18.700 right oh uh-huh you know the blow the blow poke and when they find the blow poke and it's covered 0.50

00:58:27.960 in spider webs oh my god they go don't fucking move it yeah the blow poke spider webs form pretty 0.55

00:58:34.480 quickly though i'll say yeah you make a good point in a night isn't that exactly how it went 0.99

00:58:38.180 down in charlotte's web i mean that's why he was able to write like called it like the pig is

00:58:42.020 terrific oh yeah terrific so um i nearly became a puppeteer today again this is always happening

00:58:50.140 okay puppets are always calling me i went to a state sale went home with some stuff we'll talk

00:58:54.500 about that later i now have a i know a bag full of papers from two different estate sales both

00:59:00.000 at which i paid for paper essentially papers i mean like like papers like like someone's like

00:59:05.260 their drawings and then another thing their clippings whatever oh wow so yeah yeah i almost

00:59:10.580 became puppeteer why was i saying that um building um oh oh i know so then i was like yeah the

00:59:15.880 fireplace screen obscures the litter box right but keeps it open air okay for it for them because

00:59:22.780 they like kind of like it like that and then i was doing it because of the fire tools i was like oh

00:59:27.560 my god i was like instead of these this furniture that's like oh it's your side table but it has

00:59:33.140 like a cat-shaped door and it's like oh that's your side table but actually the litter's in there

00:59:36.820 I'm imagining full hearth it's like full hearth it's like um looks like a fireplace at the house

00:59:41.840 yeah like like for cat owners it's like I love that hearth with the mantle and it's but it's

00:59:47.140 actually litter and it's it's a litter box is back there and then the tools are like the scooper

00:59:51.620 that is so Jacqueline does it again oh my god that's so funny I know isn't that glorious well

01:00:04.540 Well, I think we're going to end on that invention because that's unbelievable.

01:00:10.220 And then for those of you who support the show, we're going to move into Product Corner.

01:00:15.440 Hell yeah.

01:00:16.460 To reveal some specific items that we're entranced by.

01:00:19.520 All right.

01:00:19.900 Well, we got to say bye.

01:00:21.240 Love you.

01:00:21.660 Bye.

01:00:21.860 Love you.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - February 03, 2026

Defending Your Frogs

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