Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Dying Before Dinner

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00:02:35.460 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:36.940 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:38.020 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:02:42.800 Two untamable intellects.

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00:02:49.940 Today's topic, loosely speaking,

00:02:51.800 Dead Bird.

00:02:53.020 Luminosity, sub-language.

00:03:23.020 great you locking it in my plan worked your plan worked you invited me to dinner i said yes

00:03:28.240 yes unbelievable your dastardly plan yeah i have it in my calendar i don't know if you do

00:03:35.200 i put it in mine i got an alert what's wrong um so when i was in london i developed i've never had

00:03:42.460 like a rash before not to brag never you say but i developed this weird rash on my arm and then

00:03:49.240 everyone in london was like oh that's prickly heat you know it's like that's normal yeah and i was

00:03:53.500 like well it's not normal for me at all and um i of course saw a doctor that's hysterical was it

00:03:59.940 literally prickly or was it like something like what was this some british term you forgot it's

00:04:05.020 gone way down and it was itching well a cat scratched me very gently and then it started

00:04:11.260 to get red and i was like well that's what it is but then it became red on the other arm so i was

00:04:14.800 like well yeah i don't think it's a cat scratch i've heard this from you before really yeah you

00:04:21.120 concerned about a cat like it's anyway it's gone way down you're fine yeah i'm fine oh i'm fine i

00:04:27.000 mean what about the cat i don't think it was the cat if anything it was the brutality of the

00:04:32.260 fabrics anyway i just sorry i was distracted i looked down and i was reminded of my rash which

00:04:38.420 has gone way down okay anyway tonight's dinner and i was actually gonna say because i was like

00:04:44.600 do i want to think about what you're gonna wear don't it's almost like this is like going out to

00:04:51.140 dinner with it with your gal okay it's like in theory like what people have like clothes for

00:04:56.720 almost you know what i mean not not not specifically like when they shop they imagine

00:04:59.920 themselves at dinner with a friend right it hardly ever happens so i'm like i know that's happening

00:05:05.540 we are sitting outside which again i'm not saying this to be negative but it does affect

00:05:13.360 the clothing and also the level of you know formality and sex appeal i would argue well

00:05:20.220 i mean because it's a restaurant that doesn't isn't designed for outdoor yeah it's a dark

00:05:24.780 steak restaurant i mean it's not even that dark but it's and we're gonna be we're gonna be in the 0.54

00:05:29.100 sunlight outside i know but you you're gonna fucking rally okay i'm not gonna let this i'm 0.86

00:05:35.100 ready you wear the coat of because i think you find comfort inside of the coat of it not being 0.95

00:05:40.680 up to snuff because then you can relax and be in a state of of not feeling the pressure it's like

00:05:48.840 it's like if it's perfect like you go into jar and it's true jar okay yeah that's scary and you're

00:05:54.060 sort of like oh god oh god okay like nothing can break it yeah yeah pressure's on break it on the

00:05:57.860 way in by being outside that's really now you can either use that for peace in the true way just

00:06:03.520 enjoy yourself yeah or i think there's another form of peace for you which is something's

00:06:08.160 objectively wrong and so you know what the complaint is about you can focus all complaint

00:06:13.840 energy on that all disappointment energy on that one factor and then enjoy the rest so i'm actually

00:06:18.900 i'm willing to go there too i actually think as usual you freed me and that makes sense and i'm

00:06:24.540 already thinking about how loud we're going to be laughing and something about screaming with

00:06:28.020 laughter inside the restaurant well i wonder i wonder if it'll be more pronounced when you're

00:06:32.520 outdoors. We'll see. Well, I can't, I'm trying to picture where the outdoor exists there. Like

00:06:40.680 I can't really, is it behind some shrubs? I mean, it's one of those, it was constructed for COVID.

00:06:45.440 So it's fully like on the sidewalk sort of. And I'm already in my mind going, hmm.

00:06:51.140 I'm not good news for you. Alfresco dining is the only dining. Okay. Absolutely. No,

00:06:55.180 I can't wait. Here's the question. I'm just going to get it out now. Do you think you'll

00:06:58.000 have a lichitini with me you know please yes the extent to which i know you okay like it's so

00:07:06.080 fascinating to me i can't even like yes i i sound i said yes in an irritated tone not irritated but

00:07:13.580 more because i wanted to you were giving me more of you i didn't feel anger you were giving me more

00:07:18.180 of you like i was ready to comment on you being you and then you doubled with more and i was like 0.94

00:07:22.440 fuck i was already about to talk about the first element of you and then and then the 0.99

00:07:25.500 the first was yeah more came roaring in first was like so like will you have a lychee martini 0.99

00:07:34.920 with me okay the with me is signature kate berlant okay it's signature because it's a way of

00:07:45.140 of making it an emotional betrayal if i were to not have the lychee martini because no longer is

00:07:51.620 about having whether whether i have a drink that i want right right right are you gonna do the thing

00:07:56.860 with me me me is it with me like are you gonna like are you gonna have my it's almost like are

00:08:03.040 you gonna have my lychee martini with me to be seen are we gonna have our lychee martinis

00:08:08.260 and and i want you to know that if you didn't want it oh i know it should be fine because i

00:08:15.340 would because you know there would be no greater hell actually there it is the me forcing the

00:08:19.920 order on you you not being thrilled I would rather you take a sip of mine and see if you even 0.97

00:08:24.900 fucking want yeah I don't do that though let's talk about that are you into ice cream sundaes 0.93

00:08:30.900 I know that you don't do that well yes first of all but but no the reason that not only just the 0.99

00:08:36.980 don't take a sip out of like you know I will not rob you of your drink or pervert it with my lips

00:08:42.740 or anything like that part of the thrill to me with ordering is is is the terror is the risk okay

00:08:49.840 it right don't give me a sample i almost don't i i know i did it the other day okay with it with a

00:08:55.200 sample margarita who could resist something frozen okay but generally i do not want to sample the

00:09:01.420 items before i order i you want to just go all in i want to experience the the thrill of ordering

00:09:09.700 and then reckoning with my choice whatever that means so the everyone always wants to try a sip

00:09:16.820 of my cocktail and I'll give it to them you know I'll let them live in the hell they live in okay

00:09:20.560 in a godless existence okay yeah okay but I'll try I'll try yours and decide if I want it first

00:09:26.820 of all of course then there's the how dare you you know I have I have my drink I'm enjoying it

00:09:32.380 right you take a little sip you go not for me yeah oh I know that's disgusting okay okay yeah

00:09:38.660 right right no I'll stick with my whatever okay so I actually don't mind that but whatever that's

00:09:45.440 when people this is not interesting I'll preface it with saying I don't think so when I was I was

00:09:52.100 in line at the airport and started you know talking to the woman behind me and she traveling

00:09:58.460 back from London and she were both flying into LAX and she was going to she lives in Laguna Beach

00:10:03.120 and I you know I was like oh I live in LA and then I said you know to be kind I was like

00:10:08.780 Laguna has such beautiful water right and she's like yeah and then she's like yeah it's just

00:10:14.820 more chill than LA how when she was supposed to follow up and I was like oh sweetheart are we

00:10:24.060 gonna sit here talking about loss that you could not pay me to live in Laguna Beach

00:10:30.720 there's no salary that would be worth it I know nothing of Laguna other than it being a television

00:10:38.060 show which I have not seen so to be clear you know I'm coming at this from a place of ignorance

00:10:42.120 it's like crystal clear waters and just you know yeah like you know billionaires who like threw

00:10:50.200 their wives down the stairs and haven't been brought to justice that's what i imagine yeah

00:10:55.440 yeah anyway but it was so like and then she kind of was like yeah la like i used to live there

00:11:01.220 well right people people think they get credit for both having lived there and by the way this

00:11:05.980 person is like 37 this is like a young person right they think they get credit for for oh I've

00:11:13.420 done what you continue to do foolishly and have moved on yeah yeah I don't know just you know

00:11:19.120 what they should have said was they should have returned the gift by acknowledging even if they

00:11:26.080 couldn't think of anything right if you say LA I say Laguna you say Laguna the water's beautiful

00:11:30.900 you go yeah yeah it's really it's really nice but LA baby LA's LA even if you couldn't have

00:11:35.960 anything you think of LA's LA you know what I'm saying I get so defensive about LA yeah when

00:11:41.820 people disparage her yeah it's um read a book no it's it's it's it's like it's uh yeah it's like

00:11:51.040 oh you mean it's it's it's vastness cannot be contained I know oh what do you say about the

00:11:58.940 most like heavily mediatized image city like no i know the we've talked about this well no no i'm

00:12:05.060 not writing you like the creator of images you're going to disparage the creator the creator right

00:12:10.000 right right you you you were educated by the very images that it sent out that gave you a personality

00:12:17.660 from which now you judge you're like i actually prefer new york and you're like no you don't you

00:12:23.100 prefer what la painted of new york for you there it is there it is i mean and this is not an anti

00:12:30.640 new york to be clear because there is no greater foolish binary than the insistence that it's new

00:12:37.160 york versus la it's honestly it's a it's an obsession with symmetry talk about dangerous

00:12:41.520 binaries yeah yeah no that's really the that's the one that continues to play it's been the one

00:12:46.300 the whole time and i mean it's the fact it's again symmetry it's an addiction to symmetry the fact

00:12:51.240 oh this one's over on the right this one's over on the left right right like literally

00:12:54.740 suffer complication the weight of ambiguity yeah yeah well yeah anyone anyone just toe in the line

00:13:02.880 of of the status quo um sort of you know oh well i don't like la because la is insert cliche are 0.73

00:13:13.020 you fucking kidding i know oh is that why you don't by the way it's lonely like i'll take that 0.89

00:13:18.860 If you don't like something because of the thing everyone else said, 0.99

00:13:22.380 also face yourself.

00:13:25.120 If you're lonely, then it's not godless.

00:13:29.940 Face God, folks.

00:13:32.080 You know what I'm saying?

00:13:33.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:34.520 Anyway, I don't know.

00:13:35.840 It's just fun.

00:13:36.740 And, you know, this is, I just.

00:13:38.980 Hey, this is fun.

00:13:41.500 Guess who had steak tartare last night?

00:13:43.080 Me.

00:13:44.780 Haven't in years.

00:13:46.160 Now, is that giving you panic because.

00:13:48.560 no so we're headed steakward tonight no most likely most likely there was a gentle drip

00:13:54.120 because last night i wasn't expecting to go to a to a nice restaurant last night

00:13:57.700 that i was with a friend and he wanted to go and i was like great but and but then all of a sudden

00:14:02.880 i was like oh my god here i am having like steak tartare with a with a with a steak looming yeah

00:14:08.100 it did so yes it did get in but i didn't have you know i didn't have a cocktail yeah i knew it i

00:14:12.720 didn't have you're like it but you're doing the thing you're like you're like no it didn't um

00:14:16.400 because actually it didn't because like you know protesting like i'm trying to go yeah i'll just

00:14:22.540 say that steak tartar has always terrified me right is jar a steak restaurant see this is one

00:14:30.180 of the questions that we could spend okay thank you for honoring it because no i think it's a

00:14:36.440 really reasonable question the sort of standard went like the first word you say when you're like

00:14:41.160 oh you know oh you should go to jar it's not a steakhouse right it's but it it does have dark

00:14:47.140 wood okay so here is it not did i imagine it does it does for those listening for the first time

00:14:53.280 imagine um or if you just haven't heard us talk about jar jar is a restaurant in los angeles that

00:14:59.320 has been around for i should look this up but close to 40 years i mean it's a it has yes it

00:15:05.540 suffers from the word jar with jar we assume we hear that word now we think oh i i went big

00:15:11.260 it's going to be absolute hell right like it's going to be the horse the cartoon of the millennial

00:15:16.820 pink yeah you know succulent whatever yeah and no so let's just dispel that now or the industrial

00:15:23.620 yes the millennial industrial i think is the jar what it is is an exquisite restaurant where

00:15:31.320 everything is done so well and by the way if we got to get this to jar you mean how do they not

00:15:38.260 know i'm already like i'm already yeah anyway it's it's just fantastic and yes they they make

00:15:45.160 perfect steaks but you can go there and you can get anything baby yeah i'm trying to i'm trying

00:15:51.700 to so the thing about jar for me is that yeah it's one of these things that i've i've probably

00:15:58.740 been to jar four times right this is not i have i've slipped into the mythos of jar okay under

00:16:07.180 the umbrella of your sort of uh consciousness right and with like a warm bath okay for me

00:16:14.660 it's one of those words that also any word for you uh there's certain words it's a particular a sound

00:16:22.480 that just are you to me okay and it's like jar okay it's like jar okay and it's like it's jar

00:16:31.000 it's swiss chard i love when you oh wow okay it's swiss chard i'm getting the chard

00:16:37.600 chard do you think i have a california accent arctic char it's arctic char swiss chard jar

00:16:45.760 yeah i i think it is but it's it's like it's this drop you drop the jaw with an intensity of force

00:16:54.260 that becomes that that what you're talking about becomes almost it's bratty staked into the ground

00:17:00.900 no no no i i'm i'm i'm looking at it maybe i mean i i know what you mean that interpretation like

00:17:06.620 whatever but like but like in the world of you for me okay you you drop the jaw on these words

00:17:14.840 and it it anchors into the earth okay it anchors into the earth and you're finally at peace okay

00:17:22.700 because because you've made a choice okay and and you go hard into the choice so that it's done

00:17:31.300 you're finally at peace you're like it's jar okay yeah i know yeah and it's final it's final it's

00:17:37.880 jar it's the addiction to certainty okay but it's but it's but you made the certainty that

00:17:44.420 I don't know how this can be true, but, but this is somehow the alchemy of certain words

00:17:48.820 with you for me. And so then I hear, I hear in my head, this kind of jar, it's jar. Okay.

00:17:56.240 We're going to do jar. Okay. I hear it and I'm comforted by it. It's like,

00:18:00.100 Oh good. You know what I mean? And so, Oh no, this is, this is a joy. So, so jar just has

00:18:06.120 slipped in the way you've tossed off jar over, over the years as this kind of absolute, you know,

00:18:12.100 yeah led to me i moved to la i know nothing right right there's a few mentions oh kate says this

00:18:18.620 place is good you know chris and i go on our own you're there yeah chris and i go on our own early

00:18:26.100 la i haunt jar okay you haunt jar and it's great okay now i look at me so proud and desperate to

00:18:33.000 also haunt jar just by having only been four times to to to attach my ghost to yours yeah

00:18:38.800 because now poog haunts jar well we and by the way we've had people go we've had hags go post

00:18:45.580 so it's like we need to make sure they're saying it aren't they we need to make sure if you go to

00:18:50.740 jar because of us please say it um because we have to get in there because and this is what

00:18:56.980 i'll just say about it and we can move on you know i think we probably should but i just want

00:19:00.580 to say this ask me if i've ever had a disappointing meal at jar right okay hold on ask me

00:19:07.500 see do you hear me i always want to have to do it special in some way that feels authentic to me

00:19:14.560 all right let's do it so now we're going to indulge both i'm going to do it the first way

00:19:18.180 classic okay have you ever had a disappointing meal at jar i haven't okay that was great okay

00:19:26.080 now i'm gonna try another one okay this is a little more okay okay i know you love jar obviously

00:19:31.700 you love jar you would never say anything bad about jar okay but but come on let's get real

00:19:36.820 there's been there's been one night every restaurant it's a living thing there's been

00:19:40.440 one night where you've gone okay tonight the potatoes let's tell me about that night

00:19:46.800 i haven't experienced that night excuse me that has never happened to me what i have never

00:19:54.280 gone to jar

00:19:56.300 at a disappointing meal okay honestly mine was good when i tell you that when i tell you that

00:20:03.920 because that was really good because listen i'm not gonna name names but there's a restaurant i

00:20:08.460 love had an explosive meal there went recently was it good absolutely but i went hmm which is

00:20:14.540 another kind of plague of mine that a friend called out of like it's good but it's no yesterday

00:20:18.800 like going to a place having and then going back the next day try to replicate right and you can't

00:20:23.620 oh well yeah and like but jar has has never what's the word i'm looking for um

00:20:31.440 help me wait it's never um i mean i hope the listeners know that we are aware of words like

00:20:41.160 fail disappoint etc we are clearly looking for something else wait but i want to say one thing

00:20:46.660 it was the past consistency consistency it's been you mean it's never suffered it's never

00:20:53.180 the consistency is staggering wow okay how does that how is that achieved i don't know you know

00:21:00.600 was just thinking two things i just want to say there's this poem on the subway can't remember

00:21:04.000 the author you know poetry in motion new york yeah stunning one i've brought it up before i'll

00:21:09.960 bring it up again we talked about the roast chicken red wine one yeah of course of course

00:21:13.620 yeah no that was perfectly new york that one but this one was like called heaven or something and

00:21:18.080 it was like it's the past but we'll be there together not as it was to live but as it is

00:21:23.060 remembered oh fuck who wrote that i know i know i'm gonna dig it up one of the big ones 0.99

00:21:29.960 It was brutal. I think about it all the fucking time. 1.00

00:21:33.480 The sacred space of memory. 0.99

00:21:35.340 And then, but also, would it decay? Would it decay? Of course it would.

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00:21:51.920 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:21:56.500 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune

00:22:01.020 It was hard to wrap your head around

00:22:02.260 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs

00:22:05.720 No, I am not your guru

00:22:09.280 And back then, I lied to my parents

00:22:12.100 I lied to police

00:22:13.380 I lied to everybody

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00:22:17.480 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California

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00:22:31.120 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.98

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00:25:23.380 So, two things.

00:25:25.560 One, you said we should probably move on, right, about JAR?

00:25:27.940 And it was interesting because it occurred to me when you said that.

00:25:34.160 I've never thought those were—I've never thought—this is big.

00:25:37.940 It makes sense.

00:25:38.460 I've never thought we should move on, but I think.

00:25:41.360 Yeah.

00:25:41.900 Okay, I—

00:25:43.000 No, God bless you for it.

00:25:45.360 I mean, you know, it's everything's interesting.

00:25:47.060 It's everything's whatever.

00:25:47.960 There's a there's no linearity here.

00:25:51.960 It is not left to right.

00:25:53.740 We drill down.

00:25:55.680 We go deep and we go down.

00:25:57.740 And oh, but I'm happy to be moved on because guess what?

00:26:01.040 You move me on.

00:26:01.920 There's new ground drill.

00:26:03.480 I'm not saying we shouldn't.

00:26:04.780 I'm just noticing there's a new ground to drill.

00:26:07.120 And by the way, I'm just the fact that I'm going to see you tonight at JAR.

00:26:11.960 it's like i know i know i just hope it's what are you afraid to make it well just now death

00:26:19.000 that was what i was just thinking i was like imagining like dying before dinner you know

00:26:22.660 just like gotta get there yeah yeah yeah but like knocking on wood yeah it's fine but um let's talk

00:26:29.360 about i know we're gonna move on but i don't know if we have to move on excited about when i see you

00:26:33.360 from afar well i'm excited about like whoever arrives first my stomach just got nervous you

00:26:38.820 know i'm never even a minute late yeah my stomach my stomach just got nervous with the idea but like

00:26:44.140 when i see you and it's no from a distance is one of the one of the ultimate intimacies oh my god

00:26:52.480 when you can actually when you can comfortably approach someone from a distance because well

00:26:56.400 my thing is like well just take off running toward you because i'll be so excited but like i won't

00:27:00.900 no no and then and then it's like an energy shock to the system as it's happening so i'm i'm wondering

00:27:06.900 like I get nervous for it I'm always nervous for the first moment from afar you know it's a whole

00:27:11.360 thing it's a whole thing but now my legs are bouncing on my coffee too classic case traditional

00:27:18.040 coffee it's gets done gets them rocking so I'm so a big question for me with and let's just call it

00:27:25.500 a steak restaurant for the moment maybe this comes down to questions about you know meat and whatever

00:27:30.020 but I have to really face whether or not steak is what I love about a steak meal. Okay.

00:27:38.560 Oh, or if it's the sides. Yeah. If it's the sides in, in, in a constellation with the steak,

00:27:45.220 if it's the cream corn, the cream spinach. Okay. So I'm not saying that, does that mean that,

00:27:51.000 you know, people talk about this with Thanksgiving, it's the sides. And of course it is. However,

00:27:55.140 i'm not convinced that that means that if you if you secede the sides like that if there is no

00:28:03.040 anchor off of which those relate that they hold meaning anymore yeah right so then right right

00:28:11.900 right am i bringing in a cow am i sacrificing a cow okay for corn yet again yeah totally totally 0.62

00:28:23.360 i know i know okay so i just had a fucking wild thought i just had a wild thought sorry i just 0.89

00:28:32.300 fish privately challenged myself could i get fish what if i didn't get the steak at jar 0.83

00:28:37.720 and got fish what would happen no i don't want fish all right but you know what they do that

00:28:43.240 i've always been curious about is like a chicken like a schnitzel see or i mean all the food there

00:28:49.380 so great i feel like i was there and and i did one of these like tell me the truth like tell me

00:28:54.360 what's what here like like yeah don't let well you know my classic i'll bring it up again i've

00:28:59.280 said it a thousand times i learned it from my friend once saw it was stunned yeah i mean i'm

00:29:03.560 crying even thinking about i've told you before i'll tell you again wait what tell me where you 0.99

00:29:06.940 say um build me a meal stop oh stop okay you say i don't want to fuck it fuck it up you know better 0.99

00:29:15.880 than I. We'd like appetizers. We'd like maine. Okay. And then they usually, I feel like they, 0.97

00:29:23.320 that that's, is that, how much pressure is that? If it's a fine restaurant, it is not a burden.

00:29:30.180 Right. Totally. Of course. Of course. And I'll say this because I, I, I see, I see where you're

00:29:35.020 going. Okay. And there's a way to do it. First of all, we're humans. We feel it out. You don't

00:29:39.740 just force that on any waiter. Okay. But when you feel that they have wrecks and they know,

00:29:44.940 and there's that spirit and instead of doing the should I get the A or the B which calls so many

00:29:52.540 questions to mind if someone asked me that if I was the waiter you know it would lead to a series

00:29:57.960 of questions about them and their needs and whatever so it's like it's more like I don't

00:30:03.440 think it's hard it's like you're like we think everything sounds great what should we get for

00:30:07.080 our thing and our thing you know like but but oh but I was gonna say is we're humans and we're able

00:30:11.620 to feel it out with people it's not we're not monsters okay it's not I say I say for dramatic

00:30:16.580 effect you know build me a meal like it's like like it's this you know order you just bark out

00:30:21.740 no it's a it's a felt thing but it's a spirit where it's like what you know you know I mean you

00:30:28.760 know you know when it's the place and sometimes like you you feel them push the thing um the

00:30:35.220 patates bravas whatever okay yeah they were getting pushed on me in a few places like like

00:30:39.840 it was like like essential and squash blossoms are often pushed oh my god yeah what's pushed

00:30:49.060 they love to push oh but there was something at jar that that it was like i was like what's the

00:30:56.480 what's the thing you got to get here in your in your like what's what's the the hero and they

00:31:01.200 said something almost like well we're famous for our chicken schnitzel or something like that like

00:31:06.420 something that was you know not to steak and i don't know if it was there maybe it was somewhere

00:31:10.780 else where it's almost like well no i came to this restaurant because i'm getting pasta like

00:31:14.320 i'm not pivoting to your to your fish like yeah of course you know i'm not i cannot pivot to your

00:31:18.380 fish you can pay me to get fish tonight i had some explosive trout last night i had one of i

00:31:25.780 had some explosive really yeah that's where i was last night there it's out okay i know nothing of

00:31:32.620 it there it is obviously what what i know nothing of it it's it's very it's you know as we know

00:31:39.080 french is on the bottom of my of what i crave what made the trout good and what color is trout

00:31:44.400 is trout pink so here's the big news had no idea what was even coming to me i don't mean the

00:31:50.120 outside to be clear i was completely it was pink on the inside and you were shocked right

00:31:55.960 or you knew shocked okay because you thought only salmon was white right i was picturing a white

00:32:03.580 fish yeah and the and the server was like oh and i want to say something here apparently waiter

00:32:09.940 is derogatory have you heard this oh well derogatory is too strong a word probably

00:32:18.720 but antiquated old-fashioned it's server which to me came as a shock because i'm like server

00:32:26.180 to me conjures will serve versus wait much more objectifying yeah yeah a lady in waiting

00:32:35.660 anyway i just thought i thought i was wondering if maybe that was because 1.00

00:32:40.320 waiter waitress is like is this gendered thing that that we could escape right right totally 1.00

00:32:45.960 yeah yeah probably it's probably coming out of that anyway the server said to me 0.99

00:32:51.440 it's going to be served medium is that okay and normally and i thought yeah what appeared was

00:32:59.520 one of the most remarkable fish dishes i've had in recent memory okay well thank god you didn't

00:33:03.860 try to modify it was the trout served on white rice that was sort of lemony with this almond

00:33:10.620 with 4 000 almonds slivered up with herbs 16 000 almonds appeared slivered a mountain

00:33:19.100 if i sound quiet it's because i do enjoy almonds because i know no i and i can eat all but i i i

00:33:27.460 don't enjoy i kind of don't love almonds slivered almonds on things i kind of have to push through 0.91

00:33:33.660 them sometimes even toss them aside with my fork holy shit well this would not be the dish for you 0.82

00:33:38.760 because munch munch it's because of a nut it's because of i don't enjoy nuts it's not adjacent 0.97

00:33:43.320 i understand no this was astonishing this was actually quite astonishing well you know by the

00:33:49.040 way just with the fish not to be whatever but i mean again but i'm i'm big on like please waiter

00:33:56.160 don't let me order something beyond the way that like i i've i've uttered i've uttered the words

00:34:02.880 however the chef prepared like all the salmon how would you like a cook whatever the whatever the

00:34:07.400 chef recommends yeah whatever yeah and then they go well medium rare lady and i go great well let's 0.82

00:34:13.620 go yeah let's fucking go don't i'm not in my kitchen don't let me overcook this fish out of 0.82

00:34:18.380 fear pivoting wildly to the hannah care facial out of nowhere okay obviously i tried it two and 0.98

00:34:25.020 a half years ago this was something that was advertised yeah endlessly in the million years

00:34:30.260 ago you tried it two and a half years ago yeah i'm always ahead and well i mean i ultimately i

00:34:38.160 think it's a novelty and we'll explain we need to explain what it is okay because i had a friend be

00:34:43.000 like i was doing it she was like i did this like the month before my wedding like twice a week

00:34:48.560 and my skin had never been better interesting interesting and again no one face like another

00:34:56.100 so and just loving for for anyone who doesn't know the hanacure facial comes with a brush

00:35:04.740 you paint it on feels like early instagram days practically yeah i know you paint it on with a

00:35:11.420 brush it dries and it dries so tight and intensely that it wrinkles up your skin it grabs and wrinkles

00:35:20.100 up your skin it's like you've painted glue across your face yeah it's exactly like you painted glue

00:35:24.260 When it dries, it's smaller and it's fun for photos because you look 106, right?

00:35:32.760 Yeah.

00:35:33.800 And people post it and that's a good time.

00:35:36.460 Now, I don't know.

00:35:37.780 I don't know about you.

00:35:38.480 Now, as usual, I go straight to the waterline.

00:35:40.760 And you wash it off.

00:35:41.900 I go straight to the waterline.

00:35:43.580 Okay.

00:35:44.240 Oh, yeah.

00:35:44.600 With anything, basically.

00:35:46.160 I mean, I go all the way up in the eye skin because what are we here for?

00:35:49.120 And I'm just not convinced that something just grabbing violently my delicate skin and pulling it, crunching it up, like, I just, I don't know.

00:36:04.500 Maybe I consider trying it again, but I'm not sure I'm buying it.

00:36:08.580 I think it's, I think the novelty is convincing people that something's happening, that it isn't.

00:36:12.960 Yeah, the brush alone.

00:36:14.160 i think there's a jungian archetype at work here okay that is to to to become hideous in order to

00:36:24.260 to to emerge emerge anew right right no you know what this is the desperate need for ritual and

00:36:31.760 contemporary life and the complete there it is folks there it is so the hanacure facial is the

00:36:36.520 only thing we have is to it's into the belly of the beast put it on push the hideousness yeah

00:36:42.060 transform to see oneself yeah it's the belief that new you can only rise high by going so deep

00:36:48.140 it's it's descent into the underworld and then and then and then so you come out and you go well

00:36:54.020 i went to the underworld i better see something new okay yeah and you tell yourself you do i think

00:36:59.820 you know you know another one the peel foot or whatever whatever it's called i've always been

00:37:03.700 too scared you needn't be scared your foot can handle anything i know why am i scared i mean

00:37:09.560 know i under so that's like a you put it on your feet for whatever 10 minutes you take it off and

00:37:15.120 then over the next couple days your feet like swap off and it's like and it's just it's a strong

00:37:20.280 peel which i immediately thought gonna use it on the face okay finally finally someone's willing

00:37:25.060 to give us the acid we want but oh my god again it's like disgusting and it's the desire is it

00:37:31.300 called baby foot or something yeah yeah there it is and uh and so i i don't know i'm i'm tempted

00:37:39.840 to try i guess i've expected a lot from the hana cure that maybe that's the desperation for for

00:37:45.720 ritual what are some of the other ones oh you know what i've got sitting right here my pure lift

00:37:49.420 which i fell off and the face fell with it okay this is like the big purchase for christmas well

00:37:57.920 by the way i'm here to announce something yeah yeah which is that my facialist is retiring

00:38:04.480 laurie hollingworth laurie's retiring does she have a protege i'm on it i'm trying to find out

00:38:12.880 do you hear it it makes a little sound i need microcurrent every four weeks i can't hear it

00:38:18.960 ow oh my god really i slid it accidentally into my mouth and it's shocked yeah so you know it's good

00:38:29.420 um i gotta get back on the zip okay i gotta get back on the zip too and you know what the problem

00:38:36.240 has been i guess i just have to get it on the freestyle setting that you put it on and then

00:38:41.240 you just do it you just go because i haven't been able to watch the video and go along with her

00:38:45.820 in that meditative practice no no and by the way it's changed the video the video has changed we're

00:38:50.880 referring to when you have the zip microcurrent at home facial device which we both are fans of

00:38:55.240 there's an app look at me flipping into my did you hear that intonation what was that did and

00:39:00.360 fans of and there's an app out to which you can sync the device it's a little tune it's a melody

00:39:07.540 okay that we've yeah where did we learn that these melodies we've internalized to help us get us

00:39:13.440 through certain conversational things where we don't want to generate fresh we want to get through

00:39:19.220 yeah it's a sub language melody we should write a book on sub language sub languages

00:39:25.500 love to see you next tuesday we should co-author a book about well yeah language

00:39:34.220 straight to urban outfitters yeah straight to the shelves of urban outfitters sorry

00:39:41.640 by the way to be clear a marketplace i'm desperate to get in much respect yeah no i mean quite

00:39:48.080 literally like you should be there like when how is my book not in there it's perfect for

00:39:53.820 the depressed millennial that's really shocking yeah um sorry wait okay hang on i have to refocus

00:40:03.040 here let me look at what i wrote hang on hang on hang on no i interrupted you you slipped in

00:40:09.360 Zip device. You never finished that. It's changed. Okay. So the zip device. So just tell us how the

00:40:14.320 zip device changed. So when you have, so the device didn't change, but there's an app that

00:40:18.900 syncs to the device that runs you through what treatments to do. And it's, it's changed. It's

00:40:24.260 like been updated. And I think it's more about free form from what I saw. Right. Well, I imagine

00:40:30.080 the average, what I saw was her just kind of going up and out, up and out, which is the truth. You

00:40:34.280 just you want to go up and out yeah lymphatic you want to do that god i have been um yeah i've been

00:40:40.400 oh by the way listening by the way recording poog with um with uh my phone in the room

00:40:45.120 has led to an unparalleled level of targeted ads oh wow can you imagine can you imagine

00:40:53.780 like what are you getting the things we cover on poog i mean just just and not just ads i think

00:40:59.880 I mean, I don't know. But the real is the whole thing. It's a it's. Wow. I'm trying to decide

00:41:06.100 whether I want to keep it that way or not. Oh, by the way, lemon drink. Guess what I did yesterday?

00:41:13.280 Did it this morning. Lime drink. What? Did you hear me? Shut up. Yeah. Lime drink. Lime instead

00:41:22.220 of lemon. Look at your little eyes. Oh, no. You know what I did? I was too afraid. I was too 1.00

00:41:27.260 or i was like i was like what if what if whatever because i heard in one of dr berg's videos i heard 0.98

00:41:32.320 him say something like or lime shut the fuck up you just dropped it two syllables or lime 0.74

00:41:38.620 or lime so lime is much more bitter the pit is it i would say so is it yeah i would say so yeah 0.97

00:41:48.600 well i just went for it and i mean i don't even i expect nothing i don't tell me now

00:41:53.840 so so what i did was we added mint i did half a big lemon and one small lime as my one full small

00:42:01.160 lime did you say add mint yeah i was thinking about ways to kind of mojitos yeah it's a kind

00:42:08.660 of slurry to do because someone also sent a slurry it was lime with i'm sorry lemon

00:42:15.200 whole lemon blended with watermelon you better be sorry damn yeah i saw this is such a like

00:42:22.920 uh like instagram or like whatever but it was it was someone it was like a thing going around what 0.92

00:42:29.740 was it was it cucumber no maybe it was cucumber it doesn't feel like it was cucumber it was it

00:42:35.880 was like some kind of thing and then they put sugar in it and it apparently tastes exactly

00:42:40.920 like a watermelon which seemed shocking that we thought watermelon was a flavor cucumber with

00:42:46.400 sugar yeah it was something like that and it's just sugar yeah i mean watermelon is a flavor

00:42:52.760 is pretty stunning it does exist i will i will fight for this have we talked about i feel like

00:43:00.040 we have the sort of no i i do too well like once imagine this professor in college professor someone

00:43:08.260 who considers himself a thinker said that avocado had no flavor bizarre stick to your stay within

00:43:16.420 your lane and the fact that you can only describe flavor with other flavor chronic issue of language

00:43:22.600 there well you know that's one thing you got to give the wine people right yeah they've got

00:43:30.320 imagination they understood they said we cannot keep saying berry cherry yeah fruit chocolate

00:43:39.500 yeah they finally said you know indignant stinky peach or whatever yeah no but i'm saying they

00:43:47.480 moved to like they moved to like non non foods yeah they went to tennis balls and they went to

00:43:54.720 doormat but even no but even non-objects really like what airplane oh airplane's an object like 0.96

00:44:02.620 my grandfather always said um this thing fuck i'm gonna i'll save it for another episode because i 0.93

00:44:06.860 want to get it right no i mean like they'll be like you know the wine is um you know is rude 0.99

00:44:12.840 or something don't they do that oh right like it's insouciant sorry i'm saying insouciant

00:44:18.900 because i said it the other week but yeah it's your favorite new favorite still don't know what

00:44:22.840 it means um it's kind of like what's the other one that i've never quite oh jejeune

00:44:28.740 jejeune i don't even know what that is it's a word and it's an irritating one that i can only

00:44:35.420 believe means what it that it means what it sounds like it means like i just immediately

00:44:41.540 picture what jejunness is is as irritating as the word is that's sort of where i'm at with that one

00:44:48.040 and then there's another one like that well i always felt like petulant must mean exactly what

00:44:53.820 it sounds like yeah it sounds like it you hear the kicking feet yeah

00:44:58.840 Oh, I got another one for you, by the way.

00:45:06.680 Get me to dinner hour.

00:45:08.160 Gah and kah.

00:45:09.360 Gah and kah. 1.00

00:45:10.520 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:45:11.440 Here we go. 1.00

00:45:12.300 Back with it.

00:45:14.520 Good kah. 0.99

00:45:16.120 You see they're the same? 1.00

00:45:17.820 I was like we didn't get through all of them.

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00:48:23.500 oh well it's finally happened it's finally happened my thumb is injured from the phone

00:48:35.860 and i'm not some scroller what do you mean what happened my phone's too big it finally happened

00:48:41.320 okay it it cannot i have a strap i have straps on the back the whole thing and yet the moves i have

00:48:48.620 to do in order to get the reach with my thumb it is officially strained it's officially strained

00:48:55.880 i'm thinking of going and getting a smaller phone oh my god well yeah i have a small phone love it

00:49:01.520 yeah yeah although i gotta i gotta nimble i gotta upgrade yeah well you're on a new computer now so

00:49:07.400 i've relapsed fully on social media i got yeah my new computer loving it i guess okay i'm gonna

00:49:15.180 pivot to um what are you wearing to dinner i'm thinking of wearing i have no undergarments not 0.57

00:49:23.040 a single bra okay not a single bra at the moment you hussy okay and i never wear by the way my

00:49:30.800 undergarments where are you i need bras in los angeles okay i couldn't even remember the word 0.69

00:49:37.700 i don't know my bras nowhere right they come to you in the night i don't wear a bra all the time 0.90

00:49:45.000 but i have found i'm sorry the cup bra the fucking instagram bra i have like 40 000 of them 0.92

00:49:51.760 c-u-u-p and they work yeah here's a question you know they're like i don't are they the ones with 0.97

00:49:57.660 do a whole quiz that make it seem like they're gonna like figure out your your size i by the

00:50:02.340 way we got to eradicate the fake quiz the fake quiz is becoming they're still doing that take

00:50:07.880 this quiz and we all know they go give us your email and they have yeah they die now we'll tell

00:50:12.100 you also the quiz isn't real but anyway um my resentment of the quiz i don't know if they do a

00:50:17.600 quiz and they do this with we do this they do this with the foundations too like skin the skin uh the

00:50:22.920 makeup foundations they go like we're gonna like this scientific quiz or whatever this algorithm

00:50:28.700 okay is going to and then what do they do they they make you tell them what foundation number

00:50:36.300 you are and other brands so funny i don't know that's why i'm here and then bra they go like so

00:50:42.840 in a vicky secret what do you wear oh my god i i have no bras the cup one i'm fine with but it's

00:50:51.360 weird there's there was like one i didn't love as much it just i don't you know i don't need that

00:50:56.940 much tragically so i like underwire i don't know it's fine it's cute you got nothing you got

00:51:05.000 nothing for me I guess what I'm dreaming of is some old fashion store I've got nothing for you

00:51:10.560 because bras are expensive right like if you or they pull out the tape measure and they have one

00:51:15.820 in New York I have a place for you in Studio City I have a place I can recommend in Studio City but 0.60

00:51:20.380 again that's the one time I went and like you know like a woman measured me like yeah and I was like

00:51:27.940 wow and those bras were so expensive yeah but I don't know that was like a boutique I got one

00:51:35.220 bra so hard to have to to engage in that way and I and that was four years ago what I'm interested 0.98

00:51:41.280 in is where's the at-home mold okay where's the I send in my paper mache send in your tits yeah 0.95

00:51:49.140 yeah that's really that's true that's good yeah I mean I can't be the first thought of it once 0.98

00:51:53.480 again you know another business idea i send out into the wind uh that someone's probably been

00:51:58.280 working on for 15 years and i'll i'll act like that was my idea i arrived at the conclusion

00:52:04.460 independently like pete campbell oh one of the great lines he invented direct marketing

00:52:11.620 well no it already existed before him but he arrived at the idea independently

00:52:14.720 oh i got i can't wait for my my rewatch um all right we're we're slipping we're slipping into

00:52:23.180 chaos me screaming about my materialism let me just pull up my list because I did

00:52:27.940 I have an entire discuss on poog thing and I never consult it are you ready oh I got humiliated in

00:52:35.300 another estate sale did I talk about that you just yet another humiliation okay so so whatever it's 1.00

00:52:45.780 just the culture of estate sales they they demand hang on you're physically going to estate sales 0.99

00:52:52.240 I went to one in my neighborhood okay because my friend sent it to me and it was like holy shit

00:52:58.660 okay I go nowhere I'm masked I edited it out I almost said without me I edited it out without

00:53:03.800 me I was gonna go you went to an estate sale without me not that we've discussed it not that

00:53:10.140 not that well of course I mean I frankly didn't I frankly I knew there was I mean clearly it was

00:53:16.360 wildly accusatory so I thought you meant about COVID I've never been and so I was like something's

00:53:21.840 was accusatory about covid no like you because you edit out there the tone was accusatory but

00:53:27.360 then you at the end cut out without me so it was just accusatory with no reason oh i see i see and

00:53:32.620 so i was like like i i put on a mask and skated on through like i was the most masked one there

00:53:38.860 but it just you know you go you know i i whatever it's it's not an interesting story i realize now

00:53:44.140 the emotions have passed they always do but i go in there's a sign about what the books cost you

00:53:50.180 know all hard covers are x all whatever and i'm in the last 10 minutes of the sale it's when i

00:53:54.420 zip over to try to get like last second deals and i grabbed some books they're like these old

00:54:00.920 like collector's books and it seems like they're just trying to get rid of them so i'm like i grab

00:54:06.060 like five on like the occult okay that look amazing yeah and i bring up the thing she starts

00:54:10.980 writing up the ticket and it's like 100 150 and i'm like oh literally i thought there were two

00:54:18.300 and like and like three dollars because yeah yeah the signage and i didn't have time to like argue

00:54:23.860 the point because obviously i was too humiliated and so i was just like you have to go put them

00:54:27.940 back i just i just was like on a dead man's shelf actually i guess i'm gonna not be getting any of

00:54:33.020 these and then i was like i just go you know because i pointed the sign i was like i actually

00:54:39.340 thought they were a dollar yeah and then i would just go you know not a hundred dollars i just go

00:54:45.920 you know and like she sort of wouldn't give it to me and um oh here's the other question upf

00:54:50.580 clothing okay it's getting serious it's getting serious i need it and here's the question

00:54:55.800 apparently hemp fiber has natural upf i mean i say natural upf it's not like it's a substance

00:55:02.880 it's how densely it's woven okay yeah so we know black denim is like one of the best right but am

00:55:10.020 going to wear a black denim caftan to the pool yeah maybe okay now yeah linen and cotton everything

00:55:17.460 we wear in the summer all the beach cover-ups the least and worst protection you could get

00:55:23.380 there's nothing they're the worst a ridiculous humiliated by linen the whole time okay we thought

00:55:28.280 we were protecting ourselves with a fabric wafting over our skin gently swaying the breeze we were

00:55:33.400 not okay so why couldn't it be that easy but apparently hemp and i think bamboo the sustainable

00:55:39.540 fabrics surprise surprise save us again oh so that's just a little tip i'm sure mycelium will

00:55:45.780 be will be revealed to be highly blocking future yeah so i'm curious about how you're feeling mood

00:55:56.420 wise i'm sorry the silence um um well i am i am night remains strange feeling but um that just

00:56:12.360 feels false because you know what it's like it's like we recorded yesterday i'm just trying to

00:56:15.520 think if there's a way to like acknowledge that whole thing without um like i don't think we have

00:56:21.040 to pretend a week has passed at all i don't know no we definitely no that's why i'm saying i don't

00:56:28.120 want to do like so it's been a week um i just more mean like last episode we were talking about

00:56:32.940 and since you know what i mean i started tracy again

00:56:37.900 because i've been off basically for like i'm i'm like a couple months because i still haven't

00:56:44.020 exercised in the year yeah i'm i got back on the mat and you know it's like that thing where you

00:56:50.440 can't you can't make it all perfect like i earlier so i went outside the mat is dirty because i i've

00:56:56.960 left it outside the thick eric sensational mat i paid through the nose for to upgrade to protect

00:57:03.020 the knees etc okay and there's a neighbor's cat but he roams he roams he comes onto everyone's

00:57:09.360 patio whatever whatever he he really loves me and he was sort of adopted by someone recently he kind

00:57:13.940 of roamed in so he's got sort of a public identity yeah and yesterday i stepped outside and he's he's

00:57:22.980 made his way into my patio area right that's i block off because this other cat pissed on our

00:57:28.720 door or whatever right he's he's forced his way in he's relaxing on my airx mat that i do tracy on

00:57:34.480 i'm like fair enough okay fair enough he's very sweet whatever but then i go to record poog and 0.92

00:57:39.940 and i'm like i'm gonna remove him just you know i sent him out i closed my little bamboo like thing 0.96

00:57:45.920 that i've got right my reed fencing and out he goes i come down later he's made his way back in

00:57:53.660 somehow okay come back later dead bird presented a gift yeah laying on the erics okay and laying

00:58:04.380 on the erics angled towards where i will emerge like in the corner like exactly where you'd lay

00:58:09.260 a bouquet of roses for me if you're gonna lay it unbelievable okay and i was like i really felt

00:58:15.380 felt for the little bird it didn't look like it had suffered if that makes any sense like it

00:58:19.320 no it wasn't it wasn't open on the screen frozen on its face yeah yeah it was sort of just like

00:58:25.620 like it had just blinked out but you know who knows and i was like moved that boo did this

00:58:32.380 and then so what do you think that was it was like thank you for letting me stay yeah

00:58:39.080 I think so I mean it's just like we have a we live together like we yeah and then me and my

00:58:46.100 neighbor it was funny I've somehow become the damsel like my neighbor was like you want me to

00:58:53.200 lift it up I don't mind dead things or whatever and I was like I don't really mind them either

00:58:57.300 almost became like ego I was like well sure yeah I was like sure you know like and she wrapped it

00:59:03.420 in some paper towels and we like said a few words and then she brought it to the apartment dumpster

00:59:08.400 that's sweet but we were like you know whatever but i wouldn't i do have an issue i wouldn't i

00:59:15.320 would struggle with removing a dead bird i mean i would with with uh like i like grab a piece of

00:59:21.440 paper like i grab like a piece of paper i was like i'll slide it under anyway so so it's like

00:59:26.360 but i gotta do tracy i gotta do tracy my mood like i cannot whatever and so i just like 0.97

00:59:30.340 flip the mat over like it i haven't cleaned it yet i just flipped the fucking thing over 0.96

00:59:36.380 and did my workout unbelievable maybe i'll commit to 15 minutes of my melissa wood today 0.96

00:59:43.440 i've fallen off in such a devastating way oh my god you know it was crazy you know my friends

00:59:51.480 by the way my my old friends my old pals from growing up they're all um you know the skincare

00:59:56.440 stuff i've gotten oh yeah you're helping the lord and it's been a dream and they come to me

01:00:01.420 and the whole thing and they're thriving yeah they're thriving oh great okay my friend is like

01:00:07.740 my luminosity is back she's like people are commenting no the luminous nature of her skin

01:00:13.600 she's like people are commenting so what do you have her on well vitamin c honey

01:00:18.560 what vitamin c yes help me what's wrong with me i mean why not just just you know

01:00:31.220 in a pinch get the drunk elephant by the way and by the way the drunk elephant now has one that

01:00:36.440 mixes at home which i appreciate really it's like the powder and the liquid so you you know it's not

01:00:41.520 oxidizing there's another instagram thing going around it shows apple slices and they they put

01:00:48.260 vitamin c on like different vitamin c brands on each piece of the apple and then and it's this

01:00:53.400 very instagram thing where it only is like eight seconds long and they go like it's clear there's

01:00:57.060 a winner okay and then you watch it 10 times because you can't see it like move so fast so

01:01:02.000 then you've watched it 10 times and then like they soar in your feed forever and it's like unclear

01:01:06.100 and people are like so which one won and everyone's like clearly blah blah blah and then they're like

01:01:10.220 and then someone's like no it's not and then like the person who posts the answer is like i think

01:01:13.840 it's up to the reader to decide what but like you know they all brown to different degrees but in a 0.93

01:01:20.820 pinch shit you know you can trust drunk elephant because or you do the thing like i like to do 0.94

01:01:29.960 which is the neogen powder and you dissolve it in whatever serum you are gonna you know or you 1.00

01:01:36.780 dissolve it in a snail mucin okay that's sexy and are you doing that in the morning or at night

01:01:42.460 help the morning right you're supposed to do vitamin c in the morning well to be clear i'm

01:01:46.480 doing nothing i mean this is a great point to point out to all you know i get pleasure through

01:01:52.640 the knowledge i've barely taken care of my skin at all in the last um couple weeks with the sort

01:01:59.560 of depressive whatever this is shocking to hear okay wait hang on oh yeah so what i've been doing

01:02:04.600 is when i can manage yeah slap bare like okay one cleanser down by the sink as you know kitchen

01:02:11.480 sink yeah i'm watching tv at night and i'm like i can't go up there okay to the the other you know

01:02:17.840 so i'm like i'm like yeah i'm like tv's on i run into the kitchen i quickly wash my face like so

01:02:24.480 fast with a foaming cleanser there's no double cleansing happening right now okay foaming cleanser

01:02:28.520 splash splash and it's with the tv still going so it's like the show is carrying me through the

01:02:33.440 process i can hear the show i cannot pause run back in if i need to rewind i need to rewind

01:02:38.300 oh my god look at you i know still i'm sorry i'm i'm no i'm cackling because

01:02:45.440 i've gotten off onto my depressive screen care routine and no i'm not offended remotely i've

01:02:52.680 gone off on the thing i didn't answer the point is no i've been putting no vitamin c on okay i've

01:02:57.120 been using no vitamin c but in a dream world it's the morning vitamin c is in the morning

01:03:01.960 and well there are vitamin c night products

01:03:05.380 wait dr dennis gross has some new ones did those make its way to kate or no i'm wondering

01:03:13.600 yes the anti-aging but is there vitamin c in there stop you mean recently you're talking

01:03:19.380 the one that came like last week right yeah i just got home it's entirely vitamin c it's

01:03:23.880 six different vitamin c products i didn't know okay and that's why i'm like it's like morning

01:03:31.300 night I think you don't really want to mix it with your retinol at night is kind of the idea 0.96

01:03:35.500 so I go daytime sun damage no I don't do retinol as we know and I'm a fucking fool but wait I have 0.97

01:03:41.560 a question or I have an announcement which is that I love the dentist gross I think we said 0.99

01:03:46.100 this the peel pads the classic the alpha hydroxy I mean goddamn yes and that's the other thing I 0.96

01:03:50.480 got my friend on I mean travel with goddamn the people want to know right go what does 0.97

01:03:56.020 jacqueline novak tell her her oldest and dearest friends who come running i mean can you can you

01:04:02.400 imagine like what did i i got him on double cleanse like my my my one of my friends she was

01:04:08.400 i don't even know if the word is recalcitrant okay okay she goes she's just what is a spritz 0.82

01:04:14.260 gonna do for me what how is the spritz not bullshit yeah i'm like excuse me you mean in

01:04:20.100 essence the very thing that's been missing from american skincare entire time it primes and

01:04:25.780 prepares the skin so that the other ingredients have a chance can get in there getting in so it's

01:04:32.340 not a dry husk that you're laying you know what i mean yeah anyway uh it was hysterical to be

01:04:38.820 questioned in this manner i mean i'll go as far as to say now if i put on moisturizer my skin's dry

01:04:44.960 it feels completely wrong i wouldn't even dream of it it feels insane wouldn't dream of it wouldn't

01:04:49.600 dream of it I mean like like literally like if I was hanging from a cliff maybe yeah okay and I

01:04:56.720 knew like death was near and there was nothing but some hand cream maybe I'd reach for it then

01:05:02.140 maybe I'd reach for it knowing like that at least on my corpse found at the bottom of the mountain

01:05:07.020 I'd have a fresh look a fresher look maybe but no otherwise I will not waste moisturizer upon

01:05:14.440 un-essenced, unspritzed skin. I got them on squalane, a hundred percent squalane.

01:05:21.320 Ooh, yeah, baby. I say just squalane will change you. Years ago when I was like,

01:05:25.440 when I was like doing mascara in the mirror, you know, and you're, you're wrinkling your forehead,

01:05:29.520 like you're doing that, you know, and then like I, and then I finished the mascara and I relaxed

01:05:34.520 my forehead and it's, I've just created wrinkles, like lines, fine lines. And like, so I've added,

01:05:40.340 so i've put on mascara and lines now yeah right right i'd learn to relax the thing but the point

01:05:45.340 was i was i was a husk i was drying out in new york okay in my in my studio apartment i thought

01:05:50.180 it was you know sudden a sudden onset aging it was not i brought squalene into my life gone it went

01:05:56.180 gone it went beautiful there it is there's the squalene promise so it's squalene it's my friend

01:06:04.340 it was the best my friend she goes she goes i'm like are you exfoliating or i'm like all right

01:06:08.540 what's your skincare she's like whatever's in the shower body wash wise for the face and she's like

01:06:14.440 at this at this time like she's like it's dr bronner's i'm like okay and then she's like or

01:06:19.460 whatever hand soap or something sometimes hand soap no no she's almost trying to she's she's

01:06:24.900 trying to get you to can you imagine this no i i i know i know but she wasn't and i was like okay

01:06:30.760 and then i go she's like dawn palm olive yeah whatever and then i go i go like um what about

01:06:37.920 exfoliation and she go I go anything manual chemical okay and she's like well sometimes

01:06:45.980 I'll like rub a bit with a washcloth okay I was like okay and then um you know meanwhile I'll say

01:06:53.980 it's all about methodology for for no reason like her skin looks great let's just take a minute with

01:06:59.620 that yeah totally supple totally is great whatever she has no problems when I was traveling I thought 0.95

01:07:07.120 that i was i was gonna have a major breakout traveling for days with my mask on yeah right

01:07:12.720 i as we all know i um had to spend a night an extra night in london without my bag without 0.94

01:07:18.640 my skincare all i had all i i didn't have cleanser folks all i had was some walita skin food damn so

01:07:27.160 i went to the hotel washed my face with water slapped on the walita skin looked great i've

01:07:34.280 told you about slugging right in the mask all day i come back skin looks great i was expecting

01:07:40.760 blemishes it didn't happen slugging is what with vaseline that was the yeah and then the others

01:07:46.080 are pointing out it's very it's like it's again it's ritual right the idea of something hideous

01:07:50.260 vaseline being the answer it appeals to people right yes but but the truth is any like nice

01:07:56.980 sleeping pack like korean beauty sleeping pack sleeping mask type thing final step is going to

01:08:03.740 seal it all in and keep it all in and that's the same point egyptian magic what have you

01:08:09.180 yeah i think egyptian magic is more cream right no egyptian magic is like royal jelly

01:08:15.820 oh and yeah it's good i think we have to wrap up so so as far as dinner i'm probably gonna wear

01:08:25.100 it is warm out so i'm thinking i have a mini skirt i just feel like it's our one chance

01:08:30.820 like i feel like it's our one chance to what to like just i don't know experience a sort of summer

01:08:38.480 dinner you and me get some pics oh yeah outside so i'm like i guess it's got it's got to be

01:08:44.260 something i cannot default at the last second it's got to be maybe i'll wear this dress well

01:08:50.120 because i'm thinking i might be coming from something so it's like oh do i have to get

01:08:55.120 dressed right now for dinner which is of course one of my least favorite things yeah to be like

01:08:58.960 wrinkling it all wrinkling it at sweating it all day to be wrinkling and also to be overdressed at

01:09:03.340 noon you know it's hard yeah it's like I just my heart my heart by the way just became my heart

01:09:10.200 just raced like I have a crush like I'm seeing you with excitement I just got I got like butterflies

01:09:15.200 I know I know I'm so excited and then and then and then there's going to be the question of

01:09:21.560 this brings it back to last week you know I might not be able to do the Sunday

01:09:26.920 because look at my eyes look at my eyes look at my eyes that is completely fine

01:09:32.480 i mean this is exactly the what we're talking about right it's like that's completely fine

01:09:38.520 humiliated that i would make like a health-based choice my enjoyment of you in this dinner will in

01:09:45.040 no way be affected by whether or not you want the sunday totally totally well i want the sunday of

01:09:49.880 course i know that you believe me but this glucose management has become we can't we can't dare i not

01:09:55.620 look at my glucose how dare i not look at my glucose when i've been on three meds for for 20

01:10:00.560 years like you know what i mean like how dare i be have the hubris right right right no it's not

01:10:05.460 your fault it's it's not your fault whatever this is it's western medicine honey okay and now that

01:10:12.000 amazon's getting in the health care game we're never gonna have universal health care they are

01:10:16.640 yeah oh all right i think i recall that something yeah it's one of the most yeah it's over it's over

01:10:22.480 yeah it's over i mean it's yeah anyway so i love you and i'll fucking see you when i do the math

01:10:31.680 here i can't do it five five whatever what is in 5 30 5 30 really early which i love six hours from 0.64

01:10:42.960 now. Oh my God. Six hours. Shit. I'll see you in six hours. We're leaving in five. All right. Love

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - August 02, 2022

Dying Before Dinner

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